irclog2html for #gllug on 20060921

`01:02.08`	`z00dax`	`eyore: www.wordtracker.com - i work there 4 days /week`
`01:02.17`	`z00dax`	`Leeds: it lives, it blinks and beeps at me`
`01:10.34`	`Leeds`	`z00dax: good-o`
`04:41.22`	`*** join/#gllug LeedsHK (n=richardc@host-87-74-74-136.bulldogdsl.com)`
`05:01.09`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`06:50.40`	`mozrat`	`Poor Hamster :(`
`06:58.31`	`z0d`	`Good day.`
`06:59.03`	`mozrat`	`hi z0d - how are you.`
`06:59.24`	`z0d`	`Just woke up, so I don't know yet. <-:`
`06:59.35`	`mozrat`	`I just scrolled up and read last nights activity. Welcome to #gllug`
`06:59.42`	`z0d`	`Thank you.`
`07:00.02`	`mozrat`	`you are our third z(0\|O)* nick :-)`
`07:00.41`	`mozrat`	`My nick completion in irssi is going to be confused now!`
`07:08.03`	`z0d`	`So I'm still on the podium. <-:`
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`07:09.42`	`JAV`	`morning`
`07:10.29`	`mozrat`	`Hi JAB`
`07:10.33`	`mozrat`	`and also JAV`
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`07:17.13`	`mozrat`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7962124216164013157 # Funny ask passing people simple questions video`
`08:24.43`	`z0Oblapto`	`Morning`
`08:38.20`	`mozrat`	`nick z00rat`
`08:38.27`	`mozrat`	`Morning z0Oblapto`
`08:39.55`	`z0Oblapto`	`It's a trend!]`
`08:40.46`	`z0d`	`<-:`
`08:42.40`	`z00rat`	`z0Oblapto: It's more than a trend. It's a fashion statement`
`08:47.26`	`z0Oblapto`	`Just like my pink shirt that I'm wearing today... Classy!`
`08:48.09`	`z0Oblapto`	`Does anybody use the Dvorak keyboard layout?`
`08:48.25`	`z0Oblapto`	`Stupid question, let me rephrase that.`
`08:48.39`	`z0Oblapto`	`Does anybody here use the Dvorak keyboard layout?`
`08:49.14`	`sabinef72`	`morning all`
`08:49.25`	`z0Oblapto`	`morning sabinef72`
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`08:49.33`	`sabinef72`	`howdy z00dax`
`08:49.38`	`sabinef72`	`oops not this one`
`08:49.47`	`sabinef72`	`howdy z0Oblapto`
`08:50.06`	`z0Oblapto`	`haha!`
`08:50.25`	`sabinef72`	`but you are not the same than z00dax ?`
`08:50.40`	`sabinef72`	`a lot of Z00 something....`
`08:50.48`	`sabinef72`	`that will make me crazy`
`08:51.34`	`z00rat`	`Hi sabinef72!`
`08:51.49`	`z00rat`	`z0Oblapto: I used it for a while. got quite good at it but certain things annoyed me`
`08:51.53`	`z00rat`	`mainly vi(m) bindings`
`08:52.48`	`z0Oblapto`	`I've never taken the time to properly learn vi, so I'd imagine it wouldn't be a huge issue for me`
`08:53.08`	`z0Oblapto`	`I'm just concerned about using dvorak on my own keyboards and then having to use qwerty when unbreaking other people's`
`08:54.16`	`z0Oblapto`	`And also I'll need to use qwerty when at work, because I couldn't get anything done in the day typing at any less than 25wpm`
`08:55.10`	`LeedsHK`	`zO0who?`
`08:55.52`	`z0Oblapto`	`zO0everyone!`
`08:56.02`	`z0d`	`I should patent z0*`
`08:56.14`	`z0Oblapto`	`I'm not 100% sure it's non obvious`
`08:56.36`	`z0Oblapto`	`And there's 4 instances of it here being in the public domain already ;)`
`08:56.53`	`sabinef72`	`how can't I be crazy if everybody is zoosomething`
`08:57.16`	`z0Oblapto`	`sabinef72, stop looking for excuses`
`08:57.30`	`sabinef72`	`:-)`
`08:58.40`	`z0d`	`You should rename this channel to z[oO0]*`
`09:00.18`	`LeedsHK`	`hmm... it will cost me 260 quid to change my flight to one a week or so later - and there's not even that much choice when I change it to`
`09:00.41`	`LeedsHK`	`and I'm told I can't get a refund, even though I thought I'd made sure I'd booked a refundable flight`
`09:01.46`	`sabinef72`	`I don't want to be z00binef72`
`09:02.15`	`Z0OLeeds`	`why not?`
`09:03.03`	`sabinef72`	`why ?`
`09:04.13`	`Z0OLeeds`	`When in Rome...`
`09:04.42`	`z00rat`	`z0OBlapto: I have a nice flattouch Dvorak keyboard at home`
`09:04.52`	`Leeds`	`maybe not...`
`09:05.08`	`z00rat`	`Leeds!`
`09:05.35`	`Leeds`	`moz00!`
`09:06.20`	`z0d`	`Z0Oless Leeds.`
`09:06.45`	`z00rat`	`z0d: Where in the world are you?`
`09:07.16`	`z0d`	`z00rat: Currently in Europe.`
`09:07.45`	`z00rat`	`z0d: thats still a big area`
`09:08.19`	`z00rat`	`Leeds: shame about "The Hamster" and his crash :(`
`09:08.27`	`z00rat`	`315 mph is very fast`
`09:10.35`	`z0d`	`z00rat: Hungary at this moment.`
`09:13.22`	`z00rat`	`ooh, nice`
`09:14.23`	`z0d`	`Not a big deal IMO. I liked Ireland better.`
`09:15.13`	`z00rat`	`I wonder if George is going`
`09:15.34`	`z0d`	`Are you all in England?`
`09:16.08`	`z00rat`	`I am. Not everyone on this channel is`
`09:16.14`	`z00rat`	`sabinef72 is in .fr`
`09:16.22`	`z00rat`	`Leeds should be in .hk and will be soon`
`09:16.30`	`z00rat`	`JAV is in .es`
`09:16.33`	`z0d`	`So it's an international channel. <-:`
`09:16.42`	`z00rat`	`Yes. London is just a loose theme :-)`
`09:18.02`	`mozrat`	`too confusing. Everytime I switch window I think z00dax has arrived`
`09:18.57`	`z00dax`	`:) lots of z0*'s today`
`09:19.10`	`z0d`	`Do you make a living by working with Linux?`
`09:19.43`	`Blapto`	`It was just a passing fad.`
`09:19.47`	`mozrat`	`hey hey - and here he is!`
`09:19.52`	`z00dax`	`phew. good!`
`09:20.17`	`mozrat`	`z0d: Not entirely by working on Linux although we do run Linux systems here`
`09:20.23`	`mozrat`	`and I use it on all of my work stuff`
`09:20.45`	`morsing`	`'morning again`
`09:20.56`	`Blapto`	`I do, if you call this a living ;) Have to use other stuff as well though`
`09:21.01`	`Blapto`	`morsing, get the bleached?`
`09:21.03`	`Blapto`	`them`
`09:21.33`	`mozrat`	`hello morsing!`
`09:22.05`	`morsing`	`Dentist cleaned them`
`09:24.54`	`sabinef72`	`morsing !!!!!!`
`09:26.16`	`mozrat`	`morsing: where are the pictures from your town carnival and your car?`
`09:26.25`	`mozrat`	`sabinef72 and I are still waiting`
`09:28.17`	`sabinef72`	`yes we are STILL waiting morsing !!!!!!!!`
`09:28.31`	`sabinef72`	`and I'm still waiting mozrat too for translation....`
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`09:28.51`	`mozrat`	`woo - Cope!`
`09:28.57`	`sabinef72`	`and I'm waiting Cope for french lessons too`
`09:29.01`	`Cope`	`hello mozrat`
`09:29.16`	`Cope`	`:)`
`09:29.20`	`sabinef72`	`and I'm waiting too a postcard from Asia.... Leeds ....`
`09:29.38`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: it will come from Leeds :-)`
`09:29.39`	`SlayerXP`	`sabinef72: did you get one from norway?`
`09:29.44`	`SlayerXP`	`I _did_ ask a friend to send you onw`
`09:29.47`	`SlayerXP`	`one`
`09:29.58`	`sabinef72`	`norway ... no !`
`09:31.17`	`sabinef72`	`I had sweden by hali`
`09:31.53`	`SlayerXP`	`i'll poke him again`
`09:32.50`	`Blapto`	`http://www.zeropointzero.org/ - talking of sending postcard`
`09:33.09`	`z00dax`	`ok, off to work - bbl`
`09:33.18`	`z00dax`	`sounds like its going to be another warm day today`
`09:36.58`	`sabinef72`	`well I must go for lunch with a friend`
`09:37.01`	`sabinef72`	`see you later all`
`09:37.11`	`sabinef72`	`SlayerXP: thank you but don't be so rude !`
`09:41.38`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`09:42.31`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: it will be an extremely well-travelled postcard when I do get around to sending it - bought in Singapore, taken to Hong Kong, to London, to Spain, to London again, to Leeds... possibly, but probably not, to Amsterdam...`
`09:46.39`	`morsing`	`mozrat: No pictures really, only vidoe clips driving there`
`09:48.44`	`morsing`	`Thumbnails are broken but this should be it:`
`09:48.45`	`morsing`	`http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Kings_Langley_Carnival_Parade/movies/`
`10:01.04`	`morsing`	`mozrat? sabinef72?`
`10:03.17`	`mozrat`	`hey!`
`10:03.51`	`mozrat`	`thanks morsing`
`10:07.31`	`morsing`	`mozrat: What do you think? Remember sound. It sounds awesome :)`
`10:08.25`	`Leeds`	`okay, I should be leaving here in about an hour`
`10:12.08`	`morsing`	`Works now...`
`10:15.16`	`mozrat`	`I like the fish movie`
`10:15.21`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: where are you off to`
`10:15.23`	`mozrat`	`?`
`10:16.35`	`morsing`	`Fish movie?`
`10:17.39`	`mozrat`	`one of the clips showed some Koi fish`
`10:17.43`	`mozrat`	`or very large goldfish`
`10:19.29`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`10:19.39`	`morsing`	`That's from TwoShed's pond...`
`10:19.50`	`mozrat`	`ibot TwoShed`
`10:20.27`	`Cope`	`Make yourself scarce, twosheds!`
`10:20.37`	`Blapto`	`I'm doing this too often... Does anybody know any sysadmins who want a job? Preferrably with Active Directory experience.`
`10:21.16`	`mozrat`	`Blapto: did you break the last ones already?`
`10:21.25`	`Blapto`	`I am the last one`
`10:21.30`	`mozrat`	`You are leaving?`
`10:21.41`	`Blapto`	`Not as far as I know`
`10:21.46`	`Blapto`	`I'm broken though :D`
`10:21.56`	`mozrat`	`:D`
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`10:22.46`	`Cope`	`morsing: I understand that, about thirty years ago, you were interested in train-spotting.`
`10:23.43`	`wethrin`	`hello`
`10:25.52`	`morsing`	`Cope: Was I?`
`10:26.05`	`morsing`	`I'm barely thirty years old though...`
`10:27.06`	`Cope`	`morsing: from the two sheds sketch`
`10:28.06`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: What else does the job involve?`
`10:28.12`	`wethrin`	`Does it involve real OSes?`
`10:29.29`	`Cope`	`define real`
`10:29.57`	`wethrin`	`Not involving Microsoft's "finest" :)`
`10:30.37`	`wethrin`	`I have a friend who's looking for a job, although he's a Unix guy`
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`10:32.11`	`popey`	`moo`
`10:32.13`	`wethrin`	`hello`
`10:32.41`	`mozrat`	`popey!`
`10:33.12`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, yes, linux experience a real plus`
`10:33.22`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: are you busy for the next hour?`
`10:33.23`	`Blapto`	`Also experience with java and oracle would be great`
`10:33.27`	`wethrin`	`Ooh. What about OpenBSD? :)`
`10:33.39`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: I'm writing DVDs, so I don't have to be`
`10:33.49`	`Blapto`	`If he reckons he could migrate to RHEL easily`
`10:34.03`	`wethrin`	`Probably :)`
`10:34.03`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: I quite urgently need a writeup from Saturday for the GLLUG website, and for Linux Format`
`10:34.11`	`wethrin`	`Oh...fuck :`
`10:34.15`	`Blapto`	`Oh?`
`10:34.24`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: gotcha :-)`
`10:34.25`	`wethrin`	`I wasn't at the walk, though`
`10:34.31`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: uh, Leeds`
`10:34.34`	`mozrat`	`See how I asked if you were busy.. and then SLAM!`
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`10:34.44`	`Blapto`	`I was quite impressed`
`10:34.47`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: recursive!`
`10:34.53`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Got some previous examples of writeups?`
`10:35.18`	`mozrat`	`http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/22-Review-Augusts-Meeting.html`
`10:35.25`	`wethrin`	`ta`
`10:35.25`	`mozrat`	`http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/20-Review-GLLUG-Summer-Expedition.html`
`10:35.31`	`Blapto`	`I have to say that despite everything that the SystemTap guy said went straight over my head, he was a brilliant speaker.`
`10:35.49`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: I'll prod him when he appears on IRC`
`10:35.55`	`mozrat`	`It really doesn't have to be anything wonderful, but I don't want people hitting the GLLUG site and seeing a meeting notice for a past meeting`
`10:35.59`	`mozrat`	`as per the old website`
`10:36.02`	`Blapto`	`You can quote me on that, but you might want to make it a bit more grammatically... good.`
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`10:36.07`	`popey`	`mozrat: I can contribute some`
`10:36.08`	`mozrat`	`keef!`
`10:36.24`	`mozrat`	`popey: please do - I'll just merge them together and credit "Dan Pope"`
`10:36.32`	`popey`	`dont' you fucking dare!`
`10:36.46`	`popey`	`(Dan Pope is a member of HantsLUG :) )`
`10:36.51`	`mozrat`	`oh!`
`10:36.56`	`mozrat`	`Alan Kolb then :-)`
`10:37.00`	`popey`	`that'll do`
`10:37.06`	`popey`	`when do you need it by?`
`10:37.10`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Pedantically, Bletchley Park is not north of Watford Gap`
`10:37.20`	`mozrat`	`well - ASP really. you know how it is`
`10:37.27`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: no?`
`10:37.28`	`popey`	`end of day?`
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`10:37.34`	`mozrat`	`popey: would be marvellous`
`10:37.37`	`wethrin`	`No. North of Watford, yes`
`10:37.40`	`popey`	`will write up on train on way home`
`10:37.44`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: well north of Watford, but Watford Gap is 80 miles north of Watford`
`10:37.45`	`wethrin`	`But Watford Gap (Services) is further north`
`10:37.47`	`Cope`	`relo`
`10:37.51`	`Leeds`	`I shall be passing it in about 90 minutes :-)`
`10:37.52`	`mozrat`	`I did not know that`
`10:37.59`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Are you driving and IRCing?`
`10:38.06`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: not driving yet`
`10:38.12`	`wethrin`	`Ah`
`10:38.13`	`Cope`	`irc++`
`10:38.17`	`Leeds`	`assuming it takes about an hour to get to WG on the M1`
`10:38.46`	`Leeds`	`maybe 70 mins`
`10:38.51`	`popey`	`nokia 6680 + putty + gprs + sshd + screen + irssi + irc ++++++`
`10:39.13`	`Leeds`	`anyway, I am now going offline to stop myself wasting time, since I'm meant to be leaving in about 20 minutes and I am neither dressed nor packed...`
`10:39.19`	`wethrin`	`later, Leeds!`
`10:39.46`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Plain text file okay? Or would you prefer HTML?`
`10:41.52`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, is your guy based in London?`
`10:42.07`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: plain text please`
`10:42.17`	`mozrat`	`oh, or HTML. Doesn't really matter.`
`10:43.20`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Currently in Yorkshire. But he was thinking of jobhunting in Oxford. So, don't know how he'd feel about London`
`10:43.24`	`wethrin`	`Won't hurt to ask`
`10:46.37`	`mozrat`	`did the dog go to the meeting?`
`10:48.13`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, could you ask him to forward a cv to martin.lee@eclear.net (that sounds a bit pushy, that is if he wants a linux/learning windows sysadmin role)`
`10:48.38`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: No`
`10:48.58`	`Blapto`	`did he just read one of the leaflets and tag along?`
`10:49.26`	`mozrat`	`Did he bite anyone?`
`10:50.08`	`wethrin`	`I only briefly saw him outside PC World`
`10:50.15`	`wethrin`	`"Install free software, or the dog bites you!"`
`10:50.59`	`mozrat`	`I think deploying people to PC World before every meeting would be a good idea`
`10:51.07`	`mozrat`	`especially for our next "introduction to Linux" event`
`10:51.16`	`mozrat`	`but... it's getting people`
`10:52.08`	`Blapto`	`I reckon we should do it hare krishna style`
`10:52.15`	`Blapto`	`Linus...Linus Torvalds`
`10:52.16`	`Blapto`	`I dunno`
`10:52.42`	`mozrat`	`blink`
`10:52.49`	`SlayerXP`	`"Install debian, or Martin will glare at you"`
`10:53.19`	`Blapto`	`SlayerXP, we could double team them :D`
`10:54.48`	`Blapto`	`Does anybody remember what the blogger guy recommended as a linux website for tutorials?`
`10:54.54`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: did you read http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200609210757`
`10:56.31`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Helmet`
`10:57.32`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Something as part of the Shuttleworth Foundation`
`10:59.58`	`SlayerXP`	`mozrat: should I?`
`11:00.09`	`Blapto`	`http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle/ !`
`11:00.34`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: interesting take on employing people to work on Debian`
`11:00.52`	`wethrin`	`!`
`11:00.55`	`mozrat`	`and how that will set a precedent for future releases`
`11:01.42`	`SlayerXP`	`mozrat: well, what will happen is that the debian project will continue at its own pace, regardless of his opinion, and etch will be declared ready when it's ready and not when some arbitrary point in time is reached`
`11:02.01`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: but the guy suggesting it is the DPL!`
`11:02.07`	`SlayerXP`	`shrug`
`11:02.19`	`SlayerXP`	`DPLs are important, but easily replaceable.`
`11:02.30`	`mozrat`	`true`
`11:09.30`	`keithlard_`	`guten morgen`
`11:09.42`	`wethrin`	`Guten morgen, Herr Lard`
`11:10.40`	`morsing`	`Lard!`
`11:30.41`	`z0d`	`Anyone possessing a sound card with Intel HDA chipset?`
`11:32.04`	`morsing`	`z0d!`
`11:32.12`	`z0d`	`morsing`
`11:33.41`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: What's your email address?`
`11:46.14`	`SlayerXP`	`wethrin: morrisdancer@hotmale.com`
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`11:54.42`	`phearless`	`good morning !`
`11:54.49`	`phearless`	`okay it is 12:54 ...`
`11:58.38`	`z0d`	`There is no such thing as a good morning. <-:`
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`12:00.47`	`morsing`	`goibhniu`
`12:00.47`	`morsing`	`!`
`12:01.01`	`morsing`	`Mornings are the best`
`12:01.11`	`z0d`	`morsing: Only if you're still sleeping.`
`12:01.28`	`morsing`	`No - waking up in the morning is the best`
`12:01.54`	`goibhniu`	`mornin morsing!`
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`12:07.28`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: shuttdit!`
`12:07.35`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: simon.morris@cmtww.com`
`12:12.30`	`mozrat`	`got it - thanks wethrin`
`12:12.52`	`mozrat`	`I'll wait for popeys bit about the walk and then publish it all`
`12:31.48`	`eyore`	`what's the flag for lsof that stops it lookin up hostnames`
`12:32.45`	`eyore`	`-n`
`12:32.51`	`eyore`	`thanks`
`12:32.54`	`eyore`	`no problem`
`12:33.03`	`antiphase`	`o_O`
`12:33.56`	`Cope`	`Nf6`
`12:36.16`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: no it's not working !`
`12:37.08`	`morsing`	`It is...`
`12:41.12`	`z0d`	`WFM.`
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`12:44.50`	`popey`	`11:52 < Blapto> I reckon we should do it hare krishna style`
`12:44.58`	`popey`	`we did have the orange t-shirts :)`
`12:45.58`	`hali`	`as long as you refrain from drumming...`
`12:46.07`	`hali`	`i work next door to the hare krishna center in soho`
`12:46.13`	`hali`	`their drumming suck`
`12:47.03`	`eyore`	`i've forgotten how to do something really basic`
`12:47.49`	`eyore`	`how do you count matching lines in a file ouputing the a file of unique lines with the count of each`
`12:47.54`	`eyore`	`using sort and something`
`12:47.58`	`eyore`	`uniq`
`12:48.00`	`hali`	`\|sort \| uniq -c?`
`12:48.02`	`eyore`	`yes`
`12:48.03`	`eyore`	`ta`
`12:49.11`	`eyore`	`great, now i just have to sit here and wait for the machine to run out of file handles agani :)`
`12:49.48`	`hali`	`hehe... awk/perl/sed is usually faster than basic uniq/sort operations`
`12:50.18`	`eyore`	`yeah but harder`
`12:50.24`	`eyore`	`i'm okay with uniq/sort :)`
`12:52.26`	`eyore`	`i may have to set up an automated script`
`12:52.34`	`eyore`	`a watched linux box never runs out of file handles.`
`12:52.35`	`eyore`	`as they say`
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`12:53.44`	`eyore`	`I've often a thought a useful program would be one that monitors stuff in proc`
`12:54.31`	`eyore`	`and when something like swapping or filehandles goes crazy would dump some debug info about the processes involved to a log file`
`12:54.36`	`eyore`	`would be kind of handy`
`13:00.17`	`JAV`	`afternoon`
`13:08.42`	`keithlard`	`you can always crank up the number of file handles`
`13:08.57`	`keithlard`	`but why are you running out in the first place?`
`13:09.22`	`Erwin`	`well; i'd run lsof occasionally, check the results, analyze the trends`
`13:14.24`	`eyore`	`only happens every now and then, suddenly goes crazy`
`13:14.28`	`eyore`	`so i don't know`
`13:14.50`	`eyore`	`it's not a gradual leak it's a sudden explosion`
`13:15.00`	`Erwin`	`Maybe you should set a hard limit on per-process file handles, if a single process is allowed to open enough of them to exhaust the total`
`13:15.07`	`eyore`	`probably my application goes awol at some point`
`13:15.34`	`eyore`	`I doubt it's a single process`
`13:15.41`	`cbz`	`And can't you run lsof after it's gone awol?`
`13:16.19`	`eyore`	`the app is running every 5minutes and always by the time i get to it everything is fine again`
`13:16.45`	`eyore`	`just log messages indicated file handles have been exausted`
`13:16.57`	`eyore`	`unless the log messages are misleading which is always possible`
`13:17.35`	`z0d`	`Maybe it's not an option, but you could try running under strace.`
`13:17.36`	`eyore`	`it's probably HTTP connections gone crazy for some reason`
`13:17.51`	`eyore`	`though it could be database connections i suppose`
`13:19.32`	`eyore`	`strange things happen are we going round the twist`
`13:19.49`	`eyore`	`have you ever, ever felt like this.`
`13:19.57`	`eyore`	`oh dear, i've drunk too much coffee again`
`14:02.05`	`Cope`	`hali: are you vaguely there?`
`14:02.22`	`hali`	`Cope: yep`
`14:02.43`	`Cope`	`can I /msg you a long description of something and get your opinion... to do with redo logs`
`14:03.01`	`hali`	`sure`
`14:03.06`	`hali`	`or pastebin it to avoid flooding :)`
`14:06.32`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`14:07.45`	`Cope`	`yep - still there`
`14:19.00`	`morsing`	`Mmm... MOT`
`14:25.01`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: yes .... I have to apologize`
`14:26.22`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: So what do you think?`
`14:26.39`	`sabinef72`	`wait I only see the first one with fishes`
`14:27.02`	`morsing`	`The first three are not from the event...`
`14:27.08`	`morsing`	`Gotta go...`
`14:47.15`	`sabinef72`	`morsing: great`
`15:07.54`	`mozrat`	`Meh, Debianland is not happy today`
`15:08.16`	`cbz`	`?`
`15:08.19`	`mozrat`	`"Angry discussion on Debian mailing list SHOCKER" "More on Page 5"`
`15:08.27`	`cbz`	`They always have angry discussions`
`15:08.33`	`cbz`	`It's a constant set of arguments`
`15:08.44`	`Erwin`	`That's what you get out of having democracy-like situations. Dictatorship is where it's at.`
`15:08.59`	`mozrat`	`Erwin - tell that to Thailand :-P`
`15:09.05`	`wethrin`	`Erwin: Indeed`
`15:13.09`	`mozrat`	`For some reason I can't imagine the Red Hat or Novell teams having conversations like this.. :-)`
`15:13.28`	`mozrat`	`Maybe they'd release more often if they just stopped the ASCII bloodbaths`
`15:13.41`	`wethrin`	`That's because RedHat and Novell are not democracies`
`15:13.48`	`Erwin`	`People actually get paid there`
`15:13.58`	`Erwin`	`Ubuntu seems to fare better. because of Shuttleworth's money.`
`15:14.17`	`Erwin`	`But Debian is like the 47th Party Congress in Moscow.`
`15:14.28`	`wethrin`	`It's trouble, though, if everyone has a voice, different opinions, and there's no-one to arbitrate`
`15:20.22`	`cbz`	`It's control rather than money, i suspect`
`15:20.59`	`cbz`	`Linux versus decisions by a committee of all the deb maintainers`
`15:22.02`	`wethrin`	`Apart from the decision is often not reached`
`15:22.34`	`wethrin`	`Hence it's generally useful to have some decision makers around`
`15:23.23`	`mozrat`	`Any idea what the "GR Process" is? http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/09/msg00328.html`
`15:24.27`	`wethrin`	`no idea`
`15:24.44`	`trousers`	`Afternoon`
`15:24.59`	`wethrin`	`Shouldn't you be at school, or something?`
`15:25.07`	`trousers`	`Just got home...`
`15:27.58`	`wethrin`	`General Release?`
`15:36.12`	`phearless`	`anybody know if it is possible to backup svn repositories with backup solutions like AMANDA, BackupPC, Baccula etc ?`
`15:36.28`	`wethrin`	`Why shouldn't it be?`
`15:36.38`	`phearless`	`svn repositories need to be saved with "svn hotcopy", no with a basic copy`
`15:38.46`	`phearless`	`make sense ?`
`15:40.08`	`Cope`	`yes it is`
`15:40.19`	`Cope`	`but you must make a hotbackup first, then back up that image`
`15:40.24`	`Cope`	`it is in the svn faq`
`15:43.31`	`phearless`	`ok cool I will have a look`
`15:47.05`	`phearless`	`they do not talk about backups in http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html`
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`15:50.53`	`wethrin`	`Cope: Does it not interact friendlililililly with the local filesystem the repository sits on, then?`
`15:51.37`	`jcml_`	`hi all - gllug newbie here`
`15:53.09`	`wethrin`	`hello`
`15:55.44`	`z0d`	`Darcs is also a nice revision control system.`
`15:55.44`	`boudiccas`	`jcml_; please state your problem/difficulty? :)`
`15:56.04`	`phearless`	`hi jcml_`
`15:56.37`	`jcml_`	`just wondering when the next meet is - 16/9 having passed ...`
`15:56.55`	`boudiccas`	`its in the topic :)`
`15:57.23`	`jcml_`	`oo yeah`
`15:58.07`	`jcml_`	`must have missed that :)`
`15:58.13`	`boudiccas`	`:)`
`16:01.50`	`mozrat`	`that brand new X41 laptop that the screen blew up on WASN'T MINE!`
`16:01.52`	`mozrat`	`heehee`
`16:03.09`	`jcml_`	`I've already registered for the LWexpo - where's the gllug meet, and is it an appropriate time to come and say hi?`
`16:03.54`	`wethrin`	`It's never appropriate! Unless you come with a pint of beer in hand. :)`
`16:05.46`	`jcml_`	`That might be a baaaad idea. Only one month into working in London, I've already managed to alienate a load of cow-orkers in a single badly planned pub sesh. :(`
`16:06.10`	`wethrin`	`oh dear`
`16:06.11`	`keithlard`	`really? :)`
`16:06.13`	`wethrin`	`What happened?`
`16:06.19`	`keithlard`	`i'd like to know as well`
`16:06.22`	`jcml_`	`beer happened.`
`16:06.30`	`jcml_`	`and then happened again.`
`16:06.35`	`jcml_`	`repeatedly`
`16:07.02`	`jcml_`	`I just have this internal switch which goes ">2 pints? Be an ARSE!!"`
`16:08.27`	`jcml_`	`you weren't exactly sober, though ... I don't think any of sysarch have spoken to me since :(`
`16:08.37`	`wethrin`	`Yay beer!`
`16:08.41`	`antiphase`	`beer++`
`16:08.47`	`wethrin`	`beer & curry!`
`16:10.30`	`mozrat`	`jcml_: Hello - there is a meeting on the first evening of the Expo </hot news>`
`16:10.30`	`mozrat`	`Roger Whittaker from Novell is going to present on Xen`
`16:10.31`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Have you cleared this with Lonix yet?`
`16:10.31`	`jcml_`	`mozrat: thanks`
`16:10.31`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: we discussed it at Lonix the other night`
`16:10.31`	`wethrin`	`Gary won't be happy otherwise!`
`16:10.32`	`wethrin`	`And you're allowed to?`
`16:10.32`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: Gary, Tushar and I all had a chinwag`
`16:10.51`	`jcml_`	`mozrat: how'd the other one explode?`
`16:11.17`	`mozrat`	`jcml_: the screen just went pop after about 2 hours`
`16:11.33`	`mozrat`	`I was just setting it up and the backlight blew`
`16:11.40`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: So it's all agreed, then, that Gllug gets that evening's honour?`
`16:12.12`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: They haven't organised anything yet.. I told them we have a speaker planned..`
`16:12.46`	`wethrin`	`okay`
`16:12.50`	`zOOz`	`hi`
`16:13.32`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: Say hello to Roger from me`
`16:13.51`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: Shall do`
`16:13.57`	`wethrin`	`rarr!`
`16:18.18`	`jcml_`	`mozrat: and you got given another X41?`
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`16:36.42`	`mozrat`	`jcml_: I got a X41 tablet`
`16:38.37`	`jcml_`	`is that the one with the spiffy position detectors in it?`
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`16:45.40`	`mozrat`	`jcml_: not sure to be honest`
`16:46.04`	`mozrat`	`jcml_: you work with antiphase ?`
`16:46.33`	`jcml_`	`yep - about a month now.`
`16:48.36`	`cpufreak`	`he was my replacement I believe.`
`16:48.43`	`jcml_`	`great fun so far, but I keep feeling I've only touched the surface :)`
`16:49.12`	`antiphase`	`We'll drown you yet`
`16:49.27`	`wethrin`	`In beer?`
`16:49.27`	`cpufreak`	`antiphase: how is the big mail migration happening?`
`16:49.48`	`antiphase`	`Jaco is still fucking about with his new mail platform`
`16:49.58`	`antiphase`	`Only Amen on there still`
`16:50.01`	`cpufreak`	`hehe`
`16:50.09`	`cpufreak`	`how're unet-mx0/unet-mx1 doing?`
`16:50.17`	`mozrat`	`cpufreak: you don't work with antiphase? Why don't you people let us know things on IRC??`
`16:50.18`	`cpufreak`	`has anyone found and turned on the secret unet-mx2 yet?`
`16:50.25`	`cpufreak`	`mozrat: I used to.`
`16:50.29`	`cpufreak`	`until 3 months ago`
`16:50.43`	`cpufreak`	`3 months ago tomorrow actually`
`16:50.45`	`antiphase`	`sekrit mx2?`
`16:50.49`	`cpufreak`	`yeh`
`16:50.52`	`cpufreak`	`it needs a new kernel`
`16:50.55`	`cpufreak`	`but iwll then boot up`
`16:50.58`	`cpufreak`	`its another quad xeon dell box`
`16:51.07`	`jcml_`	`must be one of those unlabelled boxes NOC couldn't identify :)`
`16:51.17`	`cpufreak`	`its labelled`
`16:51.21`	`jcml_`	`:)`
`16:51.23`	`cpufreak`	`in cfa07 I think.`
`16:51.29`	`cpufreak`	`maybe cfa06`
`16:51.59`	`antiphase`	`It'll sit there and rot I expect`
`16:52.09`	`cpufreak`	`nice`
`16:52.11`	`antiphase`	`unless one of the others blows up. Useful to know about though`
`16:52.31`	`cpufreak`	`its raid card is different to the other two`
`16:52.31`	`cpufreak`	`which is why it needs a new kernel`
`16:52.31`	`antiphase`	`Not megashit?`
`16:52.37`	`cpufreak`	`no`
`16:52.42`	`cpufreak`	`its some god awful adaptec thing`
`16:54.59`	`antiphase`	`I'm sure I can beat it into shape if necessary`
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`18:16.58`	`z0d`	`Leeds: UK Leeds?`
`18:17.22`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`18:17.28`	`Leeds`	`it's the first time this year`
`18:17.54`	`z0d`	`Haven't been there.`
`18:17.57`	`rhowe`	`Anyone got one of these handy? http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps133/products_tech_note09186a00801f5d8f.shtml#cabx21mt`
`18:18.04`	`Leeds`	`also, I actually suspended and resumed my laptop, so that's a win`
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`18:21.13`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Did your DVD arrive?`
`18:21.38`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: not noticably... I'll check`
`18:22.08`	`popey`	`mozrat: yhm`
`18:22.12`	`wethrin`	`It'd be in a Jiffy bag`
`18:22.24`	`wethrin`	`Hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow, if not today`
`18:23.29`	`Leeds`	`no sign of it today`
`18:23.55`	`Leeds`	`there is a chance that to avoid annoying/expensive things with Virgin, I'll be back in London next week`
`18:24.07`	`Leeds`	`there's also a chance, a small one, that I'll be in Amsterdam`
`18:31.53`	`wethrin`	`It's in the postal system`
`18:34.46`	`mozrat`	`popey, hello`
`18:35.14`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: could take weeks to get here then :-)`
`18:36.34`	`wethrin`	`hopefully shorter`
`18:37.24`	`mozrat`	`popey, got your mail - thanks`
`18:40.14`	`mozrat`	`Great writeup :-D`
`18:42.41`	`morsing`	`1`
`18:43.03`	`z0d`	`0`
`18:43.08`	`z0d`	`You win.`
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`18:44.54`	`eyore`	`Has there been a big increase in philanthropy lately or is it my imagination?`
`18:45.10`	`eyore`	`ir Richard Branson is to invest $3bn (�1.6bn) to fight global warming.`
`18:45.10`	`eyore`	`The Virgin boss said he would commit all profits from his travel firms, such as airline Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Trains, over the next 10 years.`
`18:45.25`	`eyore`	`quite odd, but i suppose it makes sense`
`18:47.06`	`mozrat`	`Well - if you think that airlines are supposed to be big offenders in Global Warming`
`18:48.00`	`popey`	`mozrat: thanks :)`
`18:48.07`	`mozrat`	`angelchild, but it hasn't been marketed as well as "Next on FOX News..... War on Terror"`
`18:48.11`	`popey`	`my command of the english language isn't great, feel free to rip it to shreds`
`18:48.22`	`mozrat`	`Cue the FEAR MUSIC`
`18:49.06`	`mozrat`	`popey, I'm going to borrow from it to make it a GLLUG members first hand experience and also link to it in full at the bottom.`
`18:49.11`	`mozrat`	`sound OK?`
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`18:49.35`	`popey`	`ok`
`18:49.55`	`mozrat`	`But I'll give HantsLUG a big thanks for the CDs`
`18:49.58`	Catalyst`	`w00t`
`18:50.02`	`arika-chan`	`well done plusnet!`
`18:50.04`	`arika-chan`	`you truly are the last word in ISPs`
`18:50.06`	`mozrat`	`we'd have had none if it werent for you`
`18:50.27`	`mozrat`	`arika-chan: lol`
`18:50.50`	`popey`	`:)`
`18:50.50`	`mozrat`	`arika-chan did you see my response to global warming?`
`18:51.27`	`arika-chan`	`<mozrat> Well - if you think that airlines are supposed to be big offenders in Global Warming`
`18:51.29`	`arika-chan`	`that one?`
`18:52.14`	`mozrat`	`no, i wrote some more, but I'm on my phone and can't really repeat it`
`18:52.30`	`mozrat`	`mebbe some kind soul will us their cut 'n' paste skillz`
`18:52.52`	`mozrat`	`or maybe you'll never hear my comment.... lost in the void of plusnet`
`18:55.44`	`morsing`	`arika-chan!`
`18:55.55`	`arika-chan`	`morsing! Ӧ`
`18:57.53`	`mikejw`	`Leeds: can you recommend a jewish festival my little brother (11) might want to write about for his homework?`
`18:57.55`	`mozrat`	`Hi Henrik Morsing`
`18:58.30`	`mozrat`	`Christmas!!! <ducks>`
`18:58.57`	`mikejw`	`:)`
`19:01.57`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`19:02.12`	`murb`	`christmas hmm`
`19:02.34`	`wethrin`	`people!`
`19:02.58`	`wethrin`	`woo`
`19:03.03`	`wethrin`	`Yay for green screens`
`19:03.11`	`murb`	`I gave away all my VTs`
`19:03.46`	`wethrin`	`I still have two VT320s and a VT510`
`19:03.52`	`wethrin`	`And a couple of Citoh serial terminals`
`19:11.28`	`murb`	`I think i had a VT510 as well.`
`19:11.36`	`murb`	`my mothermade me get rid of them...`
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`20:54.02`	`Cope`	`keithlard>`
`20:55.00`	`z0d`	`Hello Cope.`
`20:55.05`	`Cope`	`hi`
`20:56.40`	`wethrin`	`Cope!Cope!Cope!`
`20:57.16`	`Cope`	`yo`
`20:57.40`	`wethrin`	`how do?`
`20:58.04`	`Cope`	`ok`
`21:02.59`	`sabinef72`	`time for bed`
`21:03.01`	`sabinef72`	`good night all`
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`21:26.30`	`hali`	`good evening`
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`21:36.01`	`wethrin`	`Do I want more tea?`
`21:36.28`	`hali`	`nah, it's to late for tea now.. have a glas of milk`
`21:37.10`	`wethrin`	`Mneh`
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`21:53.56`	`z0d`	`Good night.`
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`22:18.58`	`popey`	`20:11 < murb> I think i had a VT510 as well.`
`22:19.02`	`popey`	`i want a vt100`
`22:27.43`	`wethrin`	`I threw one out some years ago because it didn't work. Boo hiss.`
`23:03.52`	`Leeds`	`popey: are you in London?`

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