| 06:18.59 | LeedsHK | hmm... I've just been charged about 1000 pounds by mailbox, and I don't know why |
| 06:21.55 | andrew__ | hi there |
| 06:22.24 | andrew__ | LeedsHK: are you in UK on holiday? |
| 06:24.10 | LeedsHK | holiday, to sort stuff out, see the family, because I've got nowhere to sleep in HK - stuff like that :-) |
| 06:29.53 | andrew__ | but you are going back to HK? |
| 06:30.10 | LeedsHK | yup |
| 06:30.24 | LeedsHK | I don't have a job or a flat to go back to, right now... |
| 06:59.44 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:00.01 | LeedsHK | morning |
| 07:14.44 | mozrat | Morning |
| 07:15.16 | mozrat | morsing: did your lady friend accept the flowers graciously? |
| 07:16.00 | morsing | mozrat: Well, she's talking to me |
| 07:16.04 | popey | \o/ waters broke |
| 07:16.07 | popey | ---> hospital |
| 07:16.23 | LeedsHK | popey: good luck/congrats |
| 07:16.35 | morsing | She phoned me and later texted me a "Good night" so things are ok I think |
| 07:18.56 | morsing | popey: Congrats :) |
| 07:20.04 | mozrat | good luck popey |
| 07:23.39 | popey | what a great day! |
| 07:23.47 | popey | t-shirts for software freedom day have arrived :) |
| 07:24.24 | mozrat | any really really small ones? |
| 07:24.31 | mozrat | that would fit a 0 day old baby? |
| 07:24.49 | mozrat | morsing: well done then. Got away with that. |
| 07:25.06 | popey | :) |
| 07:25.09 | popey | only L and XL |
| 07:25.19 | popey | did you order any mozrat ? |
| 07:26.55 | morsing | mozrat: Not quite, she just emailed me with some demands... Hmm... Not sure it will work out |
| 07:26.58 | mozrat | popey: to be honest, I haven't really done much through the official channels |
| 07:27.21 | mozrat | I'm not even sure we are registered correctly in London - I've been focussing on the "on the day" stuff |
| 07:27.25 | mozrat | Naughty me :( |
| 07:30.02 | popey | ok, np |
| 07:30.27 | popey | i bought 8 t-shirts and got two extra free.. |
| 07:30.45 | popey | so if you and/or your guys want a souvenier of the day I'll work out how much it cost me.. that fair? |
| 07:31.06 | LeedsHK | wow, I'm impressed by a current wine |
| 07:31.23 | morsing | mozrat: Are you at work yet? |
| 07:31.24 | popey | wine made from currants? |
| 07:31.29 | mozrat | morsing: yep |
| 07:31.40 | mozrat | popey: very fair - thank you |
| 07:31.44 | popey | mozrat: actually, might get the dosh back from the lug :) |
| 07:31.48 | popey | well, try to |
| 07:32.24 | mozrat | popey - I've been dragged out of inertia by a post on HantsLUG |
| 07:32.47 | LeedsHK | wine made from source code |
| 07:34.53 | Blapto|Work | Hi |
| 07:35.03 | popey | dragged out of inertia? |
| 07:35.38 | mozrat | popey: When I get to my desk (I'm lurking in the IT department at the moment) I'm going to jump in to the discussion |
| 07:36.03 | popey | :) |
| 07:36.12 | popey | right ---> hospital |
| 07:36.14 | popey | ttfn |
| 07:36.20 | mozrat | Good luck popey! |
| 07:36.27 | Blapto|Work | best of luck! |
| 07:37.15 | mozrat | So far on this channel we've had one person phone an ambulance and then come on IRC to announce it, and now someone IRCing whilst their wife had popped her waters.. |
| 07:37.34 | mozrat | if I had IRC'd from the wedding I went to on Sunday that would have been the hat-trick |
| 07:38.04 | Blapto|Work | I'm fairly sure I've been chatting on #gllug while my ex was in my bed. |
| 07:38.36 | Blapto|Work | I went to get a drink or something and got distracted |
| 07:46.29 | Blapto|Work | Who phoned an ambulance? |
| 07:47.22 | LeedsHK | me |
| 07:47.23 | mozrat | Leeds :-) |
| 07:47.47 | mozrat | Blapto|Work: but you weren't up to anything naughty whilst on IRC right? |
| 07:48.39 | Blapto|Work | No, but I was meant to be |
| 07:49.02 | mozrat | hehe - hence the "ex" part? |
| 07:49.14 | Blapto|Work | Ah, no, that's for a load of completely different reasons |
| 07:49.38 | Leeds | was she your ex at the time? |
| 07:49.53 | Blapto|Work | No |
| 07:50.02 | Blapto|Work | There needs to be a word that describes that |
| 07:50.09 | Blapto|Work | now-ex-but-then-girlfriend |
| 07:50.48 | Leeds | gf-at-the-time |
| 07:51.06 | Blapto|Work | that's still not a word. |
| 07:51.16 | Blapto|Work | It's a lot of words to describe a very simple concept |
| 07:51.49 | Leeds | well, no - because it's two different concepts... one a relationship, one a temporal location/change |
| 07:52.36 | Leeds | closest you can get is probably then-girlfriend |
| 07:52.44 | Blapto|Work | Yes, that's a good choice |
| 07:58.09 | Blapto|Work | so what time does this london.pm thing tomorrow actually start |
| 07:58.50 | Blapto|Work | mozrat, you should know |
| 07:59.12 | mozrat | Wassthat? |
| 07:59.23 | mozrat | London.pm? 1830 - 1900ish normally |
| 07:59.41 | mozrat | They are sometimes a little hard to find if you are there early |
| 08:00.03 | Blapto|Work | Can't get there before 1845 anyway |
| 08:00.40 | Blapto|Work | You should know because you = simon therefore by morsing's logic (and you are morsing anyway) you're Mr. Wistow's brother. |
| 08:00.59 | mozrat | I like your thinking! |
| 08:00.59 | Leeds | hmmm... /me may have to appear at london.pm and make jokes about snakes |
| 08:01.16 | Blapto|Work | surely that would be a london.py meeting? |
| 08:01.23 | Blapto|Work | Or was that the joke and I completely missed it? |
| 08:01.32 | Leeds | except that I'm not aware of such a thing - and it's an excuse to pub |
| 08:03.52 | phearless | good morning :-] |
| 08:04.51 | Blapto|Work | morning |
| 08:14.09 | Blapto|Work | I think I'll go to the london.pm meeting, I'll be the one in the 80s car dealer suit. |
| 08:14.44 | mozrat | trendy |
| 08:15.24 | Blapto|Work | Oh yeah. |
| 08:15.32 | Blapto|Work | If I could grow a moustache and chops in time, I would |
| 08:15.36 | Blapto|Work | And wear aviators |
| 08:16.06 | mozrat | wear fake ones |
| 08:16.27 | Blapto|Work | It's a very specific kind of moustache I'm looking for.. |
| 08:18.10 | Blapto|Work | |¯| style, like an 80s car dealer |
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| 08:28.22 | mozrat | Hello SlayerXP |
| 08:28.35 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 08:29.36 | Leeds | okay, mailbox seem to agree that we did cancel our account there a long time ago, and that they therefore shouldn't have taken almost 1000 pounds from me today |
| 08:31.36 | Blapto|Work | what did you have at mailbox worth £1000? |
| 08:38.19 | Leeds | 6 months worth of hosting in telehouse, apparently |
| 08:38.40 | Leeds | or, well, more likely, that's the annual fee for 2006/2007 plus one or two quarterly fees |
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| 09:26.44 | willnapier | Hi everyone |
| 09:26.51 | LeedsHK | morning willnapier |
| 09:27.03 | willnapier | morning LeedsHK |
| 09:27.12 | willnapier | I see keithlard is here too :-) |
| 09:28.10 | LeedsHK | argh... |
| 09:29.06 | Leeds | I'm on a bouncy connection, and every time I bounce I change nick :-) |
| 09:29.28 | willnapier | I wonder if anyone can help me - Due to a problem in the kernel I can't use my new intel core 2 duo with linux until someone backports a 2.6.18 patch into 2.6.17 (so I understand - I'm an amateur) |
| 09:29.57 | willnapier | so, I reckoned I could use freebsd (I have managed not to use windows for three years now and refuse to relent and install it) |
| 09:30.34 | Leeds | hmm... can't use it at all, or can't use it dual core, or what? |
| 09:30.44 | willnapier | I did install it, but I am having problems finding the right settings to get on the internet |
| 09:31.03 | willnapier | (I know this is a freebsd question, but I think it is generic and I'm desperate!) |
| 09:31.32 | willnapier | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support?highlight=(jmicron) |
| 09:31.44 | willnapier | this is the documentation of the problem |
| 09:32.12 | willnapier | I can't use my new pc at all on linux - won't even boot, no distribs will (tried several live cds) |
| 09:32.37 | willnapier | basically it won't recognise a jmicron raid controller |
| 09:33.00 | Leeds | ah, so it's not a core 2 duo problem as such |
| 09:33.17 | willnapier | no, but the jmicron raid controller comes with the p965 chipset |
| 09:33.47 | willnapier | it means the kernel can't access the ide/pata channel |
| 09:35.12 | willnapier | it will probably be sorted by (k)ubuntu edgy eft (6.10) which is out in october - but I need to use my new pc before then as my old one (this one) crashes randomly and often |
| 09:37.01 | Leeds | you *could* try backporting, but if it's the installer, it's hard |
| 09:37.21 | Leeds | what I mean is that if it's just a simple bug, rather than a new version of the driver, it may be sane to do it yourself |
| 09:37.55 | willnapier | well that would be another huge learning curve but if someone can guide me I would consider it |
| 09:38.19 | Leeds | if you can't get installed without it, it's probably a dead end |
| 09:38.19 | willnapier | but somehow it would need to get on to an iso |
| 09:38.31 | willnapier | right |
| 09:39.01 | willnapier | for now I don't mind trying freebsd until ubuntu is ready again |
| 09:39.54 | willnapier | but I have been searching in vain for the right settings (the right IP addresses) to put in /etc/rc.conf |
| 09:40.09 | willnapier | can anyone help me identify the right values? |
| 09:41.21 | willnapier | on boot I am told that fwe0 is doing a DHCPDISCOVER |
| 09:41.21 | willnapier | on 255.255.255.255 |
| 09:41.27 | willnapier | and there is mention of port 67 |
| 09:41.52 | willnapier | now I know that fwe0 implies a firewire connection, but I think it is a firewire emulating ethernet |
| 09:42.17 | SlayerXP | willnapier: asking freebsd questions on a linux channel will only rarely get you answers |
| 09:44.22 | willnapier | SlayerXP: I have spent probably 30 hours trying to solve this and can't use my pc until I do. I realise this is a feebsd question but wondered if these issues are generic to *nix |
| 09:45.55 | willnapier | my ultimate aim is to get online and using my pc so if anyone can see a way to get round my linux install problem I'd be delighted |
| 09:47.10 | Blapto|Work | In keeping with the earlier discussion with mozrat and leads |
| 09:47.12 | Blapto|Work | there's a fire alarm |
| 09:47.17 | Blapto|Work | And it's been on for a minute now |
| 09:47.19 | Blapto|Work | And it's not testing day. |
| 09:47.24 | Blapto|Work | I think the building is burning |
| 09:47.28 | Blapto|Work | better save open documents! |
| 10:10.55 | morsing | m |
| 10:11.02 | wethrin | Boingggggg |
| 10:19.34 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 10:19.38 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:25.48 | morsing | Why oing? |
| 10:25.58 | wethrin | why not? |
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| 10:26.22 | wethrin | George? Is that you? |
| 10:27.01 | Cope | gregory peck |
| 10:27.06 | morsing | Anyone here know about CB radios? |
| 10:27.24 | Blapto|Work | I'm back |
| 10:27.33 | Blapto|Work | and the fire alarm has gone off |
| 10:27.39 | Blapto|Work | There was a fire engine though, so lots of excitement |
| 10:27.45 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 10:28.03 | Cope | wtf? |
| 10:28.12 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.33 | Cope | gremlins |
| 10:31.18 | wethrin | Missing library somewhere? |
| 10:33.23 | morsing | Cope: Have you or David been looking at the nmon stats? |
| 10:33.58 | LottoKim | witch version of libaprutil1 do you got installed? |
| 10:34.34 | Cope | morsing: no, they are useless |
| 10:36.57 | wethrin | oooh? |
| 10:36.58 | Blapto|Work | huzzah |
| 10:37.04 | Cope | lottokim - i have no idea |
| 10:37.41 | LottoKim | witch distro are you running? |
| 10:37.52 | Cope | this machine is slackware 10.2 |
| 10:37.58 | Cope | haven't used slackware for ages! |
| 10:38.08 | wethrin | Yay for slackware |
| 10:38.45 | Cope | anyway, so trying to compile apache pointing at db4 install |
| 10:39.20 | Cope | complains either that Berkeley db4 not found |
| 10:39.23 | rhowe | This should let me run 3 jobs at the same time, saving quite a bit of time |
| 10:39.25 | Cope | or gives that error |
| 10:40.51 | morsing | Cope: Because? |
| 10:41.08 | morsing | Cope: And they're not useless. I've used them with no problems |
| 10:41.35 | LottoKim | try do downgrade apr-util |
| 10:43.02 | Cope | morsing: they are useless because of their (lack of) granularity |
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| 10:43.47 | morsing | Cope: Which ones are you talking about? The hourly ones? |
| 10:44.38 | Blapto|Work | Does anybody know anybody who'd look good in a skirt who'd want a "technical secretary" sort of job? |
| 10:45.00 | Cope | morsing: we want to see a graph of a *day* |
| 10:45.11 | Cope | so we can compare monday, tues, wed etc |
| 10:45.17 | Cope | at a given time |
| 10:45.20 | Cope | with decent granularity |
| 10:45.21 | morsing | Cope: Excel can't do that properly |
| 10:45.31 | morsing | It's Excel's fault, not nmon |
| 10:45.35 | Cope | then don't use excel |
| 10:45.39 | Cope | use gnuplot |
| 10:45.40 | morsing | Tell IBM |
| 10:45.44 | Cope | and sar |
| 10:45.45 | morsing | Don't tell me |
| 10:46.02 | morsing | Ha ha ... nmon is much much better than sar |
| 10:46.17 | Cope | ok, then use nmon and gnuplot |
| 10:48.58 | wethrin | Anyone fancy a job with The Whisky Shop? :) The manager of Whisky Shop (Edinburgh) is looking for people for projects in the South of England |
| 10:58.34 | cpufreak | does it mean free whiskey |
| 11:03.13 | Cope | probably |
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| 11:06.14 | mikejw | lo |
| 11:11.26 | Leeds | afternoon mikejw |
| 11:12.37 | mikejw | hey Leeds, how are you? :) |
| 11:12.51 | mikejw | are we in the same timezone? |
| 11:13.11 | Leeds | same town, even, maybe |
| 11:14.41 | mikejw | ah probably not, I'm back home at the mo |
| 11:15.02 | mikejw | possibly transferring my course to Brighton |
| 11:15.19 | Leeds | had enough of London> |
| 11:15.57 | mikejw | I like it but maybe not so much as a student :) |
| 11:16.12 | Leeds | why not? |
| 11:16.50 | mikejw | well it was fine at first |
| 11:17.15 | mikejw | but then I realised how demanding the social scene I was getting into was |
| 11:17.31 | Leeds | bah |
| 11:17.49 | mikejw | um |
| 11:18.20 | wethrin | You could just not go out once a week :) |
| 11:18.39 | Leeds | yeah... that's what I meant by bah :-) |
| 11:19.23 | wethrin | cpufreak: Will you be at the Gllug meeting on the 16th? |
| 11:20.49 | mikejw | :P |
| 11:21.57 | mikejw | I guess it's more complicated than that |
| 11:23.00 | Leeds | too much sex, huh? |
| 11:23.19 | mikejw | lol |
| 11:24.02 | mikejw | i'm afraid not |
| 11:26.19 | Leeds | but... student! |
| 11:26.52 | mikejw | ..mature student with "emo" inclinations :P |
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| 12:12.05 | morsing | Kitty! |
| 12:12.09 | Kitty | yes |
| 12:12.13 | Kitty | well spotted |
| 12:12.14 | Cope | correct |
| 12:13.32 | cpufreak | wethrin: unknown |
| 12:19.12 | Cope | existential longing |
| 12:19.14 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.24 | mikejw | lol |
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| 12:24.44 | mozrat | wb Leeds |
| 12:24.51 | mozrat | oh - you were only gone a minute |
| 12:24.56 | mozrat | disregard that then :-) |
| 12:27.07 | Leeds | bouncy connection... |
| 12:28.26 | Cope | :) |
| 12:30.41 | mozrat | Hi Cope |
| 12:30.51 | Cope | hello mozrat |
| 12:47.26 | Cope | </pal> |
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| 12:59.55 | mozrat | heh |
| 13:02.13 | cpufreak | sail, or powah? |
| 13:02.45 | Cope | well either way, the 'ocean' is pretty far away. |
| 13:03.59 | cpufreak | atlantic ocean's not far really |
| 13:04.21 | Cope | from portsmouth? to go swimming? |
| 13:04.22 | Cope | in a weekend? |
| 13:04.43 | Cope | you'd have to almost the scillys |
| 13:04.52 | cbz | Or just down the coast |
| 13:05.03 | cbz | Saturday: Get Drunk. |
| 13:05.11 | cbz | Sunday: Wake at 11 hideously hung over. |
| 13:05.14 | Cope | heh |
| 13:05.24 | cbz | Sunday 3pm: Pootle a hundred metres down coast. Swim. |
| 13:05.44 | Cope | are you confusing the english channel with the atlantic ocean? |
| 13:07.18 | cbz | I would have said that the former is a subset of the latter. If it wasn't, just round the coast either way (cornwall/norfolk) and swim there instead |
| 13:08.04 | cpufreak | cope: its 250 miles by road from portsmouth to lands end |
| 13:08.12 | cpufreak | so less than that by water |
| 13:09.23 | cpufreak | 250 miles = 217 nautical miles... assuming average speed of 12 knots, thats 18 hours cruising |
| 13:09.28 | cpufreak | so if they set off on friday night |
| 13:09.37 | cpufreak | they'd be there by midday saturday |
| 13:17.01 | Leeds | fscking zombies! |
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| 13:54.46 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 14:01.43 | stephanb2 | good afternoon |
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| 15:39.47 | hali | eyore: most databases keep that kind of data in memory |
| 15:39.53 | Leeds | ibot welcome back |
| 15:39.54 | ibot | Welcome to the party, back! |
| 15:39.54 | eyore | yeah but really really slow |
| 15:40.04 | hali | eyore: if you take oracle you can create memory pools and pin a table in memory |
| 15:40.15 | eyore | try using a profiler and you see the horrible amount of work that goes on for each query |
| 15:40.33 | Cope | trousers_ define compsci? theoretical? practical? aiming at programming? ai? engineering? |
| 15:40.46 | hali | eyore: how about data consitancy after system crash? |
| 15:40.46 | trousers_ | Cope: Programming |
| 15:41.01 | eyore | also then in most OO systems you want to convert back to objects so something has to recreate the objects and that takes longer by itself than just using the objects directly. |
| 15:41.06 | hali | eyore: i agree that keeping data in memory is a great idea, take hibernate for instance |
| 15:41.10 | trousers_ | Cope: Although what kind of stuff do you do with engineering? |
| 15:41.24 | eyore | prevayler is transactional and commits to disk |
| 15:41.35 | Leeds | trousers_: no point learning programming at uni - that's practical and vocational and not what uni is for |
| 15:41.56 | Leeds | programming at uni should be a side-effect of the theory |
| 15:42.13 | cbz | Go to university to learn how to learn and pick up the theoretical underpinning of choice, be it maths, engineering or compsci |
| 15:42.14 | eyore | hibernate is okay, though it's really a big fudge to make it look like you are storing objects when you aren't and to get reasonable performance out of it you have to every object also cached in memory. |
| 15:42.34 | trousers_ | Leeds: Hmm, okay, I can do some programming, and am learning more programming theory as time passes. I just thought having a degree in it would look more professional |
| 15:42.46 | cbz | Heh |
| 15:42.52 | Cope | for a career as a programmer? |
| 15:42.57 | trousers_ | Cope: Yes |
| 15:43.09 | eyore | I went to Kent/Canterbury it was "okay" |
| 15:44.10 | eyore | why is Jonathan Schwartz quoted on the front page of greenplumb. to piss off oracle? |
| 15:45.33 | eyore | quite a good idea that greenplumb |
| 15:45.39 | eyore | a bit like loadbalancer.org |
| 15:45.44 | eyore | only more professional looking |
| 15:46.21 | eyore | I quite like the idea of marrying some hardware and opensource software togethor putting a GUI on it, testing it really thoroughly and re-selling it for a big mark up. |
| 15:46.56 | boudiccas | eyore; Christchurch College or Canterbury uni? |
| 15:47.02 | eyore | canterbury uni |
| 15:47.25 | boudiccas | ah, interesting. I'm in Maidstone :) |
| 15:47.46 | boudiccas | I did a course at ChristChurch |
| 15:51.59 | boudiccas | a conversion course .. from S.E.N. to R.G.N. |
| 15:52.26 | eyore | that's two sets of initials that i don't recognise :) |
| 15:53.07 | boudiccas | State Enrolled Nurse to Registered General Nurse i.e form Enrolled Nurse to Staff Nurse |
| 15:53.19 | boudiccas | *from |
| 15:54.28 | eyore | okay i don't feel too bad then |
| 15:54.48 | eyore | since nursing is not one of my areas of expertise |
| 15:54.54 | boudiccas | almost totally separate from the world of computers :) |
| 15:55.18 | eyore | Crappy TV series, poker, software and current news. |
| 15:55.27 | eyore | is about the limit of my conversational abilities |
| 15:55.29 | eyore | sadly |
| 15:55.34 | boudiccas | it was mine for over ten years :) |
| 15:55.53 | cbz | You changed from IT to nursing? |
| 15:55.59 | boudiccas | eyore; software! |
| 15:56.07 | boudiccas | no, tother way round |
| 15:56.15 | cbz | nursing to software? |
| 15:56.39 | boudiccas | sort of, since I'm currently not employed but on long term sick leave |
| 15:56.46 | cbz | gah :( |
| 15:57.00 | hali | eyore: the reason schwartz is on the front page is that greenplum OEM their x4500 data server (24Tb in 5U) |
| 15:57.18 | eyore | yeah i read that now |
| 15:57.21 | eyore | just a bit slow |
| 15:57.23 | hali | quite cool kit |
| 15:57.29 | cbz | Verification is not cheap |
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| 15:58.48 | boudiccas | software! I'm looking for a bash script that can compare one days list of programs with the next days and highlight [or bring to the front in some other way] the differences, i.e. the new programs |
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| 15:59.07 | cbz | diff |
| 15:59.18 | boudiccas | eyore; thats what i was trying to say with 'software!' |
| 15:59.51 | eyore | okay when i said software i meant "writing software". |
| 16:00.07 | eyore | sheesh can do 4 things and i'm not every any good at those! lol |
| 16:00.13 | cbz | Nylex the talker? |
| 16:00.32 | Nylex | eh? |
| 16:00.46 | cbz | no |
| 16:01.09 | Nylex | :/ |
| 16:02.19 | cbz | No, there was (probably still is) a 'talker' for tech people called Nylex/Nilex |
| 16:03.20 | Nylex | "talker" meaning?? |
| 16:03.20 | Nylex | lol |
| 16:03.44 | Cope | like a mud, but without much role-play or plot |
| 16:03.45 | cbz | Like irc but more primitive. |
| 16:04.49 | Cope | like a combination of a text adventure and an instant messanger client and a chat room |
| 16:05.50 | Leeds | haven't heard anyone talking about talkers for a few years... |
| 16:06.04 | Nylex | odd thing |
| 16:06.14 | Leeds | back in the spodding days |
| 16:07.00 | Cope | indeed @ spodding |
| 16:09.32 | Leeds | a guy who I was at uni with - and who I saw last night in the pub for the first time in a few years - ran a talker at one point... it was never particularly busy |
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| 16:10.02 | cbz | I used to hang out on Egham Hills. |
| 16:11.53 | Leeds | I used to hang out on #riskybus on undernet :-) |
| 16:12.13 | cbz | now i'm just here and on a couple of private silcnets. |
| 16:12.25 | cbz | sictransitgloriamundi |
| 16:13.48 | Leeds | indeed |
| 16:13.59 | Leeds | I'm on freenode and one private IRC server now |
| 16:14.37 | eyore | ARGGH. Why does no one actually read the requirements on our job advert |
| 16:14.52 | cpufreak | because they're stupid |
| 16:14.54 | eyore | It specifically says send the answer in an email or a plain text file |
| 16:15.03 | eyore | I feel like one of my old lecturers |
| 16:15.09 | eyore | but really the instructions are totally clear! |
| 16:15.28 | cbz | Kill the people who don't read the instructions. |
| 16:15.33 | stephanb2 | eyore: how many word documents have you got already? :-) |
| 16:15.37 | cbz | Lay waste to their homes and take all their possessions. |
| 16:15.39 | eyore | I tend to |
| 16:16.25 | eyore | about 10 word documents out of 40 |
| 16:16.40 | cbz | Well, guess who just disqualified themselves? |
| 16:16.49 | eyore | :) |
| 16:16.58 | eyore | They tend to be crap answers anyway |
| 16:17.09 | eyore | the often don't read the question properly either. |
| 16:17.09 | wethrin | eyore: How many PDFs? |
| 16:17.17 | eyore | none |
| 16:17.24 | eyore | some images |
| 16:17.26 | wethrin | So 3/4 of the people can read properly |
| 16:17.44 | eyore | well aren't we "glass half full" :) |
| 16:17.44 | Leeds | images??? |
| 16:17.58 | eyore | yes people seem to be drawing flow charts in paint |
| 16:18.01 | wethrin | eyore: YM liquid in the glass needs a topup |
| 16:18.07 | wethrin | buhhh? |
| 16:18.31 | Leeds | eyore: do you accept fig format? :-) |
| 16:19.34 | Leeds | I tend to fire up xfig when I want to make a diagram, flowchart, etc. - which isn't very often, to be fair |
| 16:21.17 | eyore | What I should do is write a rejected message in something like latex and send them an email back saying "the included message will tell you if you have passed this stage of the interview process" and attach the latex file. |
| 16:22.09 | wethrin | eyore: Nah. Attach a dvi file |
| 16:22.14 | eyore | :) |
| 16:22.36 | wethrin | Or even a .ps - it's not unreasonable for people to not have LaTeX installed :) |
| 16:22.51 | wethrin | I certainly didn't on my email-reading machine until recently (mutter mutter user request) |
| 16:23.17 | Leeds | I did reply to a friend in postscript once, after getting one to many mails from him with 'cool' windows binaries attached |
| 16:23.34 | wethrin | was it a 'cool' postscript? |
| 16:24.09 | eyore | my uncle likes writing and sending raw postcript to his printer |
| 16:24.11 | eyore | he's a bit odd |
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| 16:24.30 | cbz | Does he own the orange and red books? |
| 16:25.15 | eyore | probably |
| 16:26.20 | eyore | I should tell him to use linux that way his printer would frequently print postscript too, for no apparent reason |
| 16:26.37 | cbz | Heh |
| 16:26.53 | cbz | Forth hacking and postscript hacking seems to intersect |
| 16:27.00 | cbz | Stack orientated languages and all that |
| 16:27.17 | boudiccas | latex is cool :) |
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| 16:32.17 | Leeds | I tend to find it's quite warm |
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| 17:13.29 | boudiccas | Leeds; thats because you're using the Hong Kong variant |
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| 17:20.40 | trousers_ | cbz: The orange and red books? |
| 17:47.24 | cbz | yes |
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| 17:48.42 | cbz | trousers_: Orange = Real World Postscript. Red = Postscript Language Reference Manual |
| 17:49.30 | cbz | http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/books.htm |
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| 18:52.56 | mikejw | *Alice |
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| 19:44.55 | trousers_ | \Hmm, can somebody help me on Slackware |
| 19:44.57 | trousers_ | ? |
| 19:45.18 | trousers_ | It refuses to recognise a NIC that was functioning fine before the reboot |
| 19:45.26 | wethrin | What did you change? |
| 19:45.43 | trousers_ | Nothing much, really |
| 19:45.51 | wethrin | new kernel? |
| 19:45.53 | trousers_ | No |
| 19:46.01 | wethrin | ifconfig -a |
| 19:46.08 | wethrin | Does it show up the device there? |
| 19:46.14 | trousers_ | Only lo |
| 19:46.21 | trousers_ | Before I had lo and eth0 |
| 19:46.23 | wethrin | lsmod |
| 19:46.41 | wethrin | Ah yes. I forgot Linux doesn't assign ethernet devices based on type |
| 19:46.49 | trousers_ | Based on type? |
| 19:47.09 | wethrin | yeah - the BSDs, Solaris, etc. assign names based on the driver |
| 19:47.22 | wethrin | So I've got, say, re0, rl0, and hme0 devices on my firewall |
| 19:47.42 | trousers_ | Ah, right |
| 19:47.57 | trousers_ | Well lsmod doesn't seem to display anything network related |
| 19:48.07 | wethrin | What network card do you have? |
| 19:50.24 | trousers_ | Err, RealTek |
| 19:50.35 | trousers_ | I switched out one realtek for another when the 1st wasn't recognised |
| 19:51.04 | wethrin | um. gigabit, or 100Mbit? |
| 19:51.12 | trousers_ | 100Mbit |
| 19:51.29 | wethrin | modprobel 8139 |
| 19:51.33 | wethrin | gr |
| 19:51.36 | wethrin | modprobe 8139 |
| 19:52.13 | trousers_ | "Can't locate module 8139" - I think that's the problem :) |
| 19:53.16 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 19:53.33 | wethrin | What's in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ? |
| 19:55.19 | trousers_ | /lib/modules has one dir=2.4.31 |
| 19:55.41 | wethrin | And you're running 2.4.31, yes? |
| 19:55.51 | trousers_ | I presume so |
| 19:55.59 | wethrin | uname -r |
| 19:56.22 | trousers_ | 2.4.31 |
| 19:56.36 | wethrin | Okay |
| 19:56.49 | wethrin | What's in 2.4.31/kernel/drives/net/ ? |
| 19:57.19 | trousers_ | Lots of files |
| 19:57.44 | trousers_ | You did mean drivers, right? |
| 19:58.17 | wethrin | yes |
| 19:58.30 | wethrin | Ahhh....... |
| 19:58.35 | wethrin | Try 'modprobe 8139too' |
| 19:59.04 | trousers_ | Woo, errors to work with! |
| 19:59.19 | trousers_ | init_module no such device |
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| 20:01.41 | wethrin | Okay. Maybe it's not an 8139 :) |
| 20:01.57 | wethrin | modprobe r8169 |
| 20:01.58 | wethrin | ? |
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| 20:16.33 | andrew__ | hi |
| 20:18.53 | trousers_ | wethrin: Same error :( |
| 20:20.22 | wethrin | Right. Check dmesg for the network card hardware you've got |
| 20:24.32 | trousers_ | 8139too fast Ethernet driver 0.9.26 |
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| 20:27.20 | wethrin | Hum, well |
| 20:27.24 | wethrin | Get a proper network card :) |
| 20:27.38 | wethrin | Hang on....that's near the end of your logs, yes? |
| 20:33.44 | trousers_ | Yes, very last |
| 20:33.56 | trousers_ | dmesg|grep ethernet only brings up that line though |
| 20:35.03 | wethrin | dmesg|less |
| 20:35.15 | wethrin | Read all the hardware :) |
| 20:37.47 | trousers_ | You... Aren't serious? |
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| 20:38.02 | wethrin | It's not that much! |
| 20:38.14 | wethrin | Or: dmesg | mail dan@eco.li |
| 20:38.51 | Leeds | never forget lspci |
| 20:39.09 | wethrin | Ahh, good point |
| 20:39.14 | Leeds | also, hi :-) |
| 20:39.50 | wethrin | hi Leeds |
| 20:51.47 | Leeds | woo, popey spawed |
| 20:52.09 | wethrin | what? |
| 20:52.23 | Leeds | http://popey.com/popey_version_2.5 |
| 20:54.07 | wethrin | ahh |
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| 20:54.14 | wethrin | You mean fork()ed :) |
| 20:55.29 | Leeds | yes, I suppose so |
| 20:56.31 | wethrin | :) |
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