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| 00:38.37 | sabinef72 | ola |
| 00:38.59 | sabinef72 | I know it's late in UK |
| 00:39.19 | sabinef72 | I just wanted to say Hello from Argentina |
| 00:39.38 | sabinef72 | good night all |
| 00:55.11 | z00dax | nite |
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| 07:19.06 | mozrat | Morning friends |
| 07:28.49 | boudiccas | mozrat; morning |
| 07:29.19 | mozrat | hiyas |
| 07:29.49 | boudiccas | mozrat; sorry, thats my normal greeting, and its copyright :) |
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| 07:30.10 | boudiccas | plenty of time and there'll be another one along next week |
| 07:30.24 | mozrat | Hi Apan |
| 07:30.28 | popey | morning mozrat |
| 07:30.51 | popey | my box-o-ubuntu CDs have arrived for SFD |
| 07:31.17 | mozrat | popey: excellent! |
| 07:31.18 | Apan | hello. |
| 07:31.27 | popey | I now have around 150 of them :) |
| 07:41.39 | boudiccas | |o) |
| 07:42.14 | boudiccas | blind pew gave the black spot, mozrat gives 'the cheque' |
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| 08:30.13 | mozrat | morning huw-l Gunde SlayerXP |
| 08:39.47 | huw-l | morning |
| 09:19.19 | SlayerXP | rhowe: any progress re: domains? |
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| 09:22.49 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Not yet. I kinda let it stagnate :P |
| 09:30.23 | rhowe | SlayerXP: OK, I sent The Email(tm) |
| 09:30.40 | SlayerXP | to whom? |
| 09:33.05 | rhowe | The FD |
| 09:33.13 | rhowe | £20 isn't spent lightly here :P |
| 09:33.26 | iTron | rhowe: You better fucking believe it. ;) |
| 09:40.27 | SlayerXP | rhowe: right |
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| 09:55.28 | wethrin | hello |
| 09:57.20 | mozrat | hello wethrin |
| 09:57.37 | wethrin | My mouse has decided to stop working. The bastard. |
| 09:58.59 | mozrat | give it some cheese? What was it doing for you anyway? |
| 09:59.15 | wethrin | It was pointing at things on my desktop |
| 09:59.18 | mozrat | Mice are rubbish workers - they can't lift anything and don't have posable thumbs |
| 10:01.38 | Gunde | but they have tails that serve them well |
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| 10:03.50 | mozrat | cope! |
| 10:04.04 | Cope | hello mozrat |
| 10:08.08 | rhowe_ | whee |
| 10:09.08 | rhowe | mmm, baguette |
| 10:24.43 | wethrin | rhowe: ping? |
| 10:25.10 | rhowe | pong |
| 10:25.16 | wethrin | 2 tickets to Lordi for you, yes? |
| 10:25.23 | rhowe | Three |
| 10:25.31 | wethrin | 3 now? |
| 10:25.34 | rhowe | How much? |
| 10:25.37 | rhowe | Yes, 3 now |
| 10:25.39 | wethrin | £14.10 each |
| 10:25.39 | hali | ffs, Lordi?! |
| 10:25.44 | wethrin | RTF social list |
| 10:25.53 | rhowe | wethrin: Yeah, 3 |
| 10:26.17 | wethrin | So I get tickets for: me, EvilDave, Javier, rhowe, rhowe's good lady wife, rhowe's mystery guest, aye? |
| 10:27.25 | rhowe | sounds about right |
| 10:27.34 | wethrin | right. That's my 6 tickets booked |
| 10:27.44 | wethrin | Tuesday 31st October, 7pm *start* in Kentish Town |
| 10:27.56 | rhowe | easy |
| 10:30.23 | Blapto|Work | morning |
| 10:30.43 | wethrin | rhowe: Tickets ordered |
| 10:31.36 | rhowe | coo' |
| 10:31.37 | wethrin | You owe me 3*14.10 |
| 10:31.54 | rhowe | So 2x beerthen? :) |
| 10:32.39 | Blapto|Work | Huuuuge beers. |
| 10:35.44 | wethrin | rhowe: Yeah. :) |
| 10:37.34 | Cope | I'm still getting absolutely nowhere with this dav_svn thing... whatever I do I get the same sodding error |
| 10:38.05 | wethrin | Is your hair long enough to pull out? :) |
| 10:40.39 | Cope | much longer now |
| 10:40.47 | Cope | not been cut since I last saw you |
| 10:41.44 | wethrin | That was.....some time back |
| 10:48.17 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:49.06 | morsing | Anyone here? |
| 10:49.57 | SlayerXP | sort of |
| 10:50.03 | SlayerXP | dealing with xen oddities |
| 10:50.28 | Cope | hello SlayerXP |
| 10:50.32 | SlayerXP | lo |
| 10:51.40 | Cope | incidentally if I try to perform actions referenced by http:// rater than file:///, eg import code I get the same, of course |
| 10:51.51 | Cope | as the dav_svn interface just blatatly isn't working |
| 10:54.54 | SlayerXP | no way I can get remote access? |
| 10:55.18 | SlayerXP | I've set up literally dozens of apache/dav_svn servers and never seen the problem you're having |
| 10:55.34 | rhowe | morsing: You rang? :) |
| 10:56.08 | morsing | rhowe: yes... |
| 11:04.25 | morsing | rhowe: Thanks for the chat... |
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| 11:11.37 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 11:15.05 | morsing | ~seen leeds |
| 11:15.26 | ibot | leeds <n=richardc@92.Red-83-54-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2d 24m 4s ago, saying: 'kinky'. |
| 11:15.26 | Blapto|Work | ibot wake up |
| 11:15.31 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:15.51 | wethrin | eek |
| 11:16.15 | Blapto|Work | I remember that discussion... It was quite innocent |
| 11:16.21 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:16.29 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:16.32 | wethrin | Publunch time! |
| 11:17.34 | morsing | :( |
| 11:43.04 | morsing | :( |
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| 12:21.12 | rhowe | morsing: No probs - wanna learn to snowboard? :) |
| 12:25.21 | mozrat | Hello! |
| 12:26.26 | Cope | Hello |
| 12:26.53 | mozrat | My call is very important to them and they apologise for the delay |
| 12:28.54 | rhowe | mozrat: BT's hold systems usually have an option for them to call you back when an attendant is free |
| 12:31.27 | mozrat | rhowe: it didn't mention it |
| 12:31.45 | mozrat | but anyway - "Jackie" assures me my line in the new house has been activated |
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| 12:45.38 | wethrin | boom |
| 12:46.01 | wethrin | I found BT were very good about reactivating my line when I moved in |
| 12:46.21 | mozrat | wethrin: they've been helpful enough but I had to put the order in 3 times |
| 12:46.32 | mozrat | first time the ladies computer froze and she never rang back |
| 12:46.40 | keithlard | meep |
| 12:46.42 | wethrin | Boh |
| 12:46.45 | wethrin | keithlard! |
| 12:46.58 | mozrat | second time he assured me it would be in 2 hours, third time the other lady said it always takes 24 hours so why was I ringing back! |
| 12:47.49 | Cope | woo keithlard |
| 12:47.55 | wethrin | They sent me a text message a few hours later to say my line was active |
| 12:48.17 | mozrat | ARGHH - They cut me off |
| 12:56.47 | rhowe | mozrat: You don't expect BT to know how to use a phone, do you? :) |
| 12:58.33 | mozrat | rhowe: their menu system is just crazy |
| 12:58.52 | rhowe | Virgin Money's is pretty bad |
| 12:59.16 | rhowe | If you want to talk to a person, you have to select a very specific sequence of options, and it's not obvious at all |
| 12:59.17 | mozrat | You get a definite precise answer like "moving your broadband between premises` and then the next menu is really vague and has loads of options |
| 12:59.23 | mozrat | or just keep hitting 0 |
| 12:59.53 | wethrin | I found with Natwest credit card thingy, I just mistyped my card number, and was immediately put through to a person |
| 13:00.04 | Gunde | Do they expect you to have touch-tone phones? |
| 13:00.12 | rhowe | wethrin: Yeah, that works really well |
| 13:00.23 | mozrat | Gunde: yeah, I was just about to say. Pretend you are on a 1940s phone |
| 13:00.24 | rhowe | wethrin: Just make up some credentials and it drops you out of the menu :) |
| 13:00.26 | mozrat | with no DTMF |
| 13:00.28 | wethrin | Yup :) |
| 13:01.05 | mozrat | or that you were born with only 1 finger and that is holding the phone so you couldn't possible entertain their stupid IVR system |
| 13:01.12 | Gunde | mozrat: My parents still use phones like that, dtmf wasnt so common in Germany for a long time |
| 13:01.18 | Cope | My experience is to type random numbers very quickly for a while |
| 13:02.42 | mozrat | Gunde: which part of Germany are they in? |
| 13:05.35 | Gunde | mozrat: Near the Danish border, why? |
| 13:18.30 | mozrat | Gunde: just wondering |
| 13:18.51 | mozrat | Any twm users here? How do you get an application to automatically start on login? |
| 13:19.30 | Gunde | mozrat: At least they managed to get away from their phone using a disc for dialing some five years ago. |
| 13:22.37 | wethrin | mozrat: Put it in your xinitrc |
| 13:23.42 | mozrat | wethrin: with a sleep statement do you think or not? |
| 13:26.23 | wethrin | Don't think so - normally a few xterms are fired up as part of X startup |
| 13:26.36 | mozrat | k - thanks |
| 13:26.45 | mozrat | gah - a week to get my broadband back up and running |
| 13:26.58 | mozrat | although - a new neighbour has got an open wireless network |
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| 13:33.29 | keithlard | grumble |
| 13:35.01 | Cope | relo |
| 13:36.10 | wethrin | eyup |
| 13:36.16 | Cope | Is anyone vaguely free this weekend to help a friend of mine - has a brand new machine on which he's trying to install kubuntu, but despite al best efforts can't get the installer to boot. He's based in Ealing, but could travel, and would gladly provide beer / food. |
| 13:36.41 | keithlard | i might be |
| 13:37.09 | keithlard | but i'd just suggest trying another boot disk - sysres or something |
| 13:37.36 | keithlard | ubuntu never used to boot for me on angela's laptop - don't know why, probably just silly cdrom drivers or something |
| 13:38.08 | Cope | sure... well he can't get online consistently because his old machine is really dodgy, so even if he was with someone with a laptop or something so he could use and get other tools, that would help |
| 13:38.15 | keithlard | debian installer couldn't recognise the hard drive partitions i created on another machine |
| 13:38.24 | keithlard | when will people realise that linux simply DOESN'T WORK |
| 13:38.29 | Cope | bloody linux - it's crap |
| 13:38.36 | Cope | I demand a full refund |
| 13:38.47 | keithlard | more than that, i want compensation for the stress |
| 13:38.50 | Cope | and I refuse to help or contribute in any way. |
| 13:38.56 | Cope | :P |
| 13:39.04 | keithlard | the world owes me a linux! |
| 13:39.21 | keithlard | i could drop him round some isos probably :) |
| 13:51.31 | Cope | how dare you be idle when I am trying to procrastinate with you |
| 13:53.55 | wethrin | bored |
| 13:54.25 | Cope | confused |
| 13:54.35 | mozrat | worried |
| 13:54.44 | keithlard | titter |
| 13:54.45 | Cope | why are you worried? |
| 13:54.56 | keithlard | we're having network fun here |
| 13:55.10 | mozrat | Cope, I'm being whisked away for a romantic couple of days in Milan |
| 13:55.19 | SlayerXP | mozrat: with George? |
| 13:55.25 | mozrat | oh hang on - no. this is for work and it's going to be a hard slog |
| 13:55.33 | mozrat | and my flight back in on Sept 16th |
| 13:55.38 | Cope | :( |
| 13:55.38 | mozrat | which is the same day as GLLUG |
| 13:55.49 | mozrat | and no-one is springing forward to take over proceedings :-) |
| 13:56.39 | wethrin | Rar. I have the second part of a two-part curry to eat tonight |
| 13:57.10 | Cope | I have.... omelette to eat tonight; our special recipe! with fresh herbs from the garden, and very good wine. |
| 13:57.39 | wethrin | ooh |
| 13:58.14 | Cope | followed by clubbing in southampton |
| 13:58.24 | Cope | baby seals, preferably |
| 13:58.42 | Cope | but random chavsters will do |
| 14:00.46 | Cope | gah... why on earth is my browser requesting a resource called 'format'? |
| 14:03.58 | keithlard | wizzo |
| 14:04.00 | SlayerXP | what's the correct invocation or tar to preserve ownership, permissions, odd files types such as those found in /dev and symlinks? |
| 14:04.06 | SlayerXP | s/or/of/; |
| 14:04.13 | wethrin | tar -a ? :) |
| 14:04.22 | keithlard | you don't want to tar up files in /dev :) |
| 14:04.28 | SlayerXP | actually I do |
| 14:04.38 | keithlard | /dev/zero might take you a long while |
| 14:05.08 | SlayerXP | yes, but I seem to recall there's a way to make tar handle special stuff like that |
| 14:06.15 | keithlard | hmm |
| 14:06.20 | SlayerXP | basically, I have a working xen instance over here, and I want to clone it over there |
| 14:06.25 | Cope | p preserves stuff |
| 14:06.34 | SlayerXP | to save me the effort of debootstrapping 6 hosts |
| 14:06.37 | keithlard | rsync! |
| 14:07.00 | keithlard | thanks to the encouragemint of z00dax, i use rsync for everything now, including making the tea |
| 14:07.13 | wethrin | keithlard: But does it help with photography? |
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| 14:07.23 | cbz | *glup* |
| 14:07.31 | keithlard | rsync in archive mode will preserve all the perms and mod times |
| 14:07.42 | Cope | hello cbz |
| 14:07.45 | cbz | hello. |
| 14:09.14 | SlayerXP | the problem with using rsync is there's no direct link between point A and B |
| 14:09.29 | SlayerXP | point A is a server buried in docklands, point B is a laptop on my desk |
| 14:09.38 | cbz | multiple ssh tunnels |
| 14:09.44 | SlayerXP | no |
| 14:09.47 | Cope | more gaffa tape |
| 14:09.57 | Cope | don't force it, use a bigger hammer. |
| 14:10.06 | cbz | tar files on point A, take to pointB, rsync locally. |
| 14:10.59 | Cope | cbz: missing the point, because you arrived mid-conversation; need to tar special files that would normally be --excluded |
| 14:11.15 | cbz | include them! |
| 14:12.46 | Cope | while: tar cvf archive.tar /dev/zero book.read("war and peace") |
| 14:12.57 | Cope | several times |
| 14:15.04 | keithlard | titter |
| 14:15.13 | keithlard | well you can exclude files with tar too |
| 14:15.23 | Cope | yes --exclude |
| 14:15.53 | Cope | but if you are trying to clone a system, excluding inconvenient bits isn't such a great idea |
| 14:16.19 | cbz | urm |
| 14:16.35 | cbz | tar can handle /dev/zero |
| 14:23.32 | SlayerXP | I shall use a cunning mixture of deboostrap and then dumping a tarball on top of it |
| 14:28.52 | keithlard | can't you rsync into tar or something? |
| 14:38.20 | hali | or why not dump over a ssh pipe? |
| 14:38.33 | hali | thats what dump is there for... or if thats not cool enough cpio is quite handy |
| 14:41.44 | Cope | cpio++ |
| 14:49.01 | z00dax | keithlard: ! |
| 14:49.18 | z00dax | cant rsync into a tar, but if you use a proper distro, you can just Xen-Migrate |
| 14:50.12 | z00dax | or rsync into a loop mounted image, can then gzip that up and move it around |
| 14:51.58 | mozrat | z00dax! |
| 14:52.27 | z00dax | mozrat: ! |
| 14:52.35 | z00dax | mozrat: I might bring a few friends along on the 16th |
| 14:52.43 | keithlard | i told you he was da man |
| 14:52.44 | cbz | mozzie! |
| 14:54.01 | mozrat | z00dax: yay! |
| 14:54.03 | mozrat | keithlard: I am |
| 14:54.12 | mozrat | cbz: Hello! Long time no something something |
| 14:54.19 | cbz | yes |
| 14:54.22 | cbz | i was on holiday |
| 14:54.48 | mozrat | keithlard: for some reason I wrote "I am". I meant "he is" and I'm now worried about my vanity!! |
| 14:54.53 | mozrat | why did I write "I am"?? |
| 14:55.04 | mozrat | cbz: where did you go? |
| 14:55.23 | cbz | South of france, the pyrenees - walking, and wining and dining. |
| 14:55.31 | mozrat | cbz: sounds lovely |
| 14:55.41 | cbz | nice change of pace |
| 15:25.49 | cbz | though i did get sick of duck towards the end |
| 15:25.53 | cbz | a little |
| 15:26.08 | mozrat | ping popey |
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| 15:33.35 | Cope | <rant |
| 15:33.41 | Cope | > |
| 15:33.58 | Cope | What *IS* it with the 'Please be advised' construction? |
| 15:34.07 | Cope | Why not just provide the information? |
| 15:34.11 | Cope | Dear all, |
| 15:34.16 | Cope | The side door is now working. |
| 15:34.42 | Cope | Thankis |
| 15:34.51 | Cope | Facilities |
| 15:34.56 | cbz | pft |
| 15:35.22 | Cope | Why on earth do we need "Please be advised" ? |
| 15:35.41 | Cope | If you really want to make it flowery, you could put: "I am pleased to be able to inform you that..." |
| 15:36.02 | Cope | dimwitted fucktards |
| 15:36.07 | Cope | </rant> |
| 15:37.07 | SlayerXP | talking of whom, where is george? |
| 15:37.30 | cbz | SOC i guess |
| 16:24.14 | Cope | that's not pedantic - it is being offended by redundant and poor use of English |
| 16:24.57 | wethrin | "Please do the needful" |
| 16:25.26 | keithlard | "A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no |
| 16:25.27 | keithlard | unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should |
| 16:25.27 | keithlard | have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts." |
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| 19:46.12 | boudiccas | Who is Peter Kay? |
| 19:46.33 | boudiccas | sounds like a modern pop singer |
| 19:46.39 | boudiccas | tuneless |
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| 19:47.44 | boudiccas | greetings DonJoe661 :) |
| 19:48.09 | JohnDoe661 | olla boudiccas |
| 19:48.28 | boudiccas | lol |
| 21:55.50 | Jasperw | anyone here using a speedtouch dsl router from demon? i'm trying to get snmp working with it. |
| 21:56.00 | Jasperw | i can talk snmp to it, but the ifTable is empty |
| 21:56.19 | Jasperw | there appears to be a way of adding interfaces to the iftable, but i don't appear to have the privilages to do that |
| 21:56.31 | Jasperw | the whole thing is being far too clever for it's own good :( |
| 23:10.47 | rhowe | I think I've had a client running for 2 years without a link to the main site :P |
| 23:12.00 | rhowe | I'm about to increase their "Total Blocks Tested" by 0.001% :) |
| 23:26.02 | wethrin | foo |
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