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| 04:51.13 | Leeds | afternoon SlayerXP |
| 04:51.26 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 04:51.35 | SlayerXP | i find myself in urgent need of a shower and shave. |
| 04:53.18 | SlayerXP | however, I have, in under 24 hours, implemented an acceptable message quarantine system |
| 04:55.31 | Leeds | good for you... I've done very little, apart from Thai dinner with friends last night |
| 04:56.22 | SlayerXP | lazy hound |
| 04:56.27 | Leeds | yes |
| 04:58.14 | SlayerXP | would you like to see my incredibly cunning quarantine system? |
| 04:59.58 | Leeds | yes, but I'm going for lunch in a minute or two |
| 05:00.23 | SlayerXP | cos if so you're out of luck. it's hard to look at two db columns, a db check constraint, 2 sql queries, and a bunch of hooks into exim |
| 05:00.26 | SlayerXP | so ner :) |
| 05:01.18 | Leeds | well if you're going to be like that, I'm going to get lunch |
| 05:01.26 | SlayerXP | fair enough :) |
| 05:01.49 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.56 | SlayerXP | there you go, that's the check. |
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| 05:50.39 | JAV | good morning |
| 06:10.28 | SlayerXP | http://www.nationaldayofslayer.org/ |
| 06:10.36 | SlayerXP | be told. |
| 06:29.59 | Leeds | and the weather forecast for the next week is: hot and humid, thunderstorms every day except Saturday (Numerous Showers) and Sunday |
| 07:02.11 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:02.31 | Leeds | morning morsing |
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| 07:12.55 | Leeds | SlammerXP: it's just not your day |
| 07:27.19 | SlammerXP | ? |
| 07:27.27 | morsing | I love you |
| 07:27.36 | SlammerXP | oh? |
| 07:27.52 | Leeds | http://www.nationaldayofslayer.org/ |
| 07:28.01 | SlammerXP | who did I annoy in a way that you approve of? |
| 07:39.23 | mozrat | Good Morning |
| 07:40.49 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 07:42.22 | SlammerXP | s/fields/negotiates/ |
| 07:54.06 | morsing | ping rhowe |
| 07:55.27 | mozrat | SlammerXP: can I add your photo to the IRC faces page? |
| 07:55.44 | SlammerXP | mozrat: I don't know, can you? |
| 07:56.38 | SlammerXP | *grin* |
| 07:57.06 | Leeds | SlammerXP: may he? |
| 07:58.42 | SlammerXP | he may |
| 08:00.48 | George | I HATE BEING WOKEN UP |
| 08:01.04 | Leeds | George: we hate it when you wake up as well |
| 08:02.46 | mozrat | SlammerXP: w00t |
| 08:03.03 | SlammerXP | oh looks, it's George. |
| 08:03.23 | SlammerXP | the best looking KDE developer on the planet |
| 08:05.37 | SlammerXP | "Our purpose is to bring together London's Linux users" |
| 08:05.46 | SlammerXP | I thought it was "bait George" |
| 08:09.14 | morsing | Checkit! |
| 08:10.00 | mozrat | SlammerXP: done, thanks |
| 08:10.37 | SlammerXP | mozrat: that should help keep the channel free from newbies :) |
| 08:12.19 | mozrat | Yes - #gllug. Home of skinheaded Debian zealots |
| 08:12.39 | SlammerXP | my hair is even shorter nowadays |
| 08:12.53 | SlammerXP | I found having a number 1 gives me an extra 2 weeks between cuts |
| 08:12.58 | George | weirdo |
| 08:14.13 | Leeds | http://tinyurl.com/nxohe |
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| 08:40.29 | cbz | morgen |
| 08:40.32 | mozrat | hihi |
| 08:40.38 | cbz | hi mozzie |
| 08:40.46 | cbz | do you use jabber.org at all? |
| 08:40.57 | mozrat | I used to. I use Jabber via GTalk nowdays |
| 08:41.23 | cbz | Okay - i just suddenly can't log into my jabber.org account |
| 08:45.38 | morsing | cbz! |
| 08:46.25 | morsing | I like my quote on the stats page :-P |
| 08:46.35 | George | moo |
| 08:56.20 | mozrat | woo - another speaker for the 24th |
| 08:56.56 | Leeds | mozrat: so it's going to be in stereo now? |
| 08:57.14 | mozrat | heehee |
| 09:14.18 | TimMagic | morning all! |
| 09:14.34 | mozrat | allo |
| 09:15.05 | Leeds | morning tim and z00 |
| 09:15.39 | TimMagic | how is everyone? |
| 09:16.05 | mozrat | not bad - lovely day out today |
| 09:16.46 | z00dax | heya Leeds |
| 09:17.00 | z00dax | mozrat, TimMagic and the rest of #gllug crew |
| 09:17.38 | George | mozrat: note that I still need to confirm the talk |
| 09:18.05 | mozrat | George: oh, I thought that you had already |
| 09:18.06 | mozrat | ok |
| 09:18.15 | George | mozrat: no, I haven't yet asked the school |
| 09:18.20 | mozrat | ok |
| 09:21.40 | mozrat | George: when will you know? |
| 09:22.10 | George | when I ask |
| 09:24.36 | Leeds | hmm... thunderbird is acting up |
| 09:25.24 | wethrin | arrrrr! |
| 09:25.47 | Leeds | for some reason, it is failing to write a copy of a mail to the Drafts folder... unfortunately, the window is non-responsive while it tries |
| 09:26.03 | wethrin | Out of disk space? |
| 09:26.14 | Leeds | nope |
| 09:26.15 | George | hrm, that reminds me |
| 09:26.32 | wethrin | Probably expensive |
| 09:26.44 | wethrin | Isn't about 400ish GB the sweet spot at the moment? |
| 09:27.03 | George | erk, 275 GBP |
| 09:27.05 | Leeds | George: $3900 or so |
| 09:27.14 | George | hrmm, 500GB for 150 pounds |
| 09:27.30 | wethrin | If the drive fails, it's just much more data that gets lost |
| 09:27.55 | wethrin | RAID is no substitute for backups |
| 09:28.04 | Leeds | "Hosts of a chat show on a Hong Kong radio station apologised on Tuesday for an Internet survey asking its listeners to vote which actress they would most like to sexually assault." |
| 09:28.11 | George | wethrin: I'm not going to back up 3TB of stuff |
| 09:28.23 | wethrin | George: So you can afford to lose it. That's okay |
| 09:28.43 | z00dax | George: ever wonder why enterprise grade 24/7 rated drives are nowhere near those sort of storage size's ? |
| 09:28.50 | George | z00dax: nope :P |
| 09:29.03 | wethrin | z00dax: They're all SCSI! :) |
| 09:29.09 | wethrin | Of which I haven't seen much larger than 140GB |
| 09:29.12 | z00dax | 7x100GB's are massively faster than 1x700 too |
| 09:29.22 | wethrin | And 36 or 72 seem to be very common |
| 09:29.25 | z00dax | and more reliable |
| 09:29.28 | George | and more expensive |
| 09:29.43 | wethrin | But enterprise places can afford the electricity to run a few hundred hard drives |
| 09:29.50 | z00dax | wethrin: true, although - some of the sata2 drives are now getting those sort of 24/7 ratings |
| 09:29.54 | George | I'm not rich |
| 09:30.02 | Cope | ok |
| 09:30.10 | z00dax | hiya Cope |
| 09:30.15 | wethrin | Mmm.....maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think I'd prefer SCSI drives over SAA |
| 09:30.17 | wethrin | *SATA |
| 09:30.29 | Cope | z00dax: are you a free man? |
| 09:30.40 | wethrin | He's a number, isn't he? |
| 09:31.03 | z00dax | Cope: I will be from midday today, unemployed. |
| 09:31.16 | Cope | z00dax: when do you start at wordtracker? |
| 09:31.23 | z00dax | strange feeling, not been unemployed since 1995 |
| 09:31.28 | z00dax | Cope: 15th |
| 09:32.20 | z00dax | yup, and my parents are here too - so getting to spend some time with them |
| 09:33.58 | Leeds | I expect to start my next job some time in 2008 :-) |
| 09:34.26 | hali | speaking of large scsi drives.. dell has a special now with 300gb 10krpm drives for 247 squid |
| 09:34.28 | z00dax | Leeds: humm.. now there is a break, a real man size break |
| 09:34.46 | z00dax | hali: is sad that you can get the same sort of gear over the pond for under half price |
| 09:34.59 | hali | z00dax: sata wise? |
| 09:35.16 | hali | hp/ibm still charge over 500 for a 300gb drive tho |
| 09:36.29 | George | http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=238 |
| 09:37.05 | z00dax | hali: or u320 wise |
| 09:37.28 | hali | if you can point to a 300gb scsi drive for under 150 i'd buy one on the spot |
| 09:37.55 | hali | i was about to say that sata isn't any good without a decent controller.. which add costs.. but then again... you can't even use scsi without a controller :) |
| 09:38.20 | Leeds | someday soon I will buy a 300GB or so SATA drive and take my home fileserver up to a terabyte |
| 09:49.10 | z00dax | btw, anyone looking for a really high performance ftp server with a million auth options and a gazzillion config controls, take a look at apache |
| 09:49.13 | z00dax | and mod_ftp |
| 09:51.01 | TimMagic | leeds: a terabyte? eep thats big |
| 09:51.36 | TimMagic | we only just got a TB on our university file share with about 40 of us |
| 09:56.07 | wethrin | I have more than a terabyte at home |
| 10:00.19 | TimMagic | hmm |
| 10:00.30 | TimMagic | i am just looking at a new box |
| 10:00.43 | TimMagic | could be tempted by a 640 gig hd |
| 10:19.39 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:22.02 | TimMagic | golly isnt this just a hive of activity?!?! |
| 10:22.41 | SlammerXP | quiet. we're working. |
| 10:24.14 | SlammerXP | TimMagic: which organ do you work for? |
| 10:26.38 | TimMagic | organ? |
| 10:27.09 | SlammerXP | yes. generic terms for a myriad of publication types. |
| 10:27.41 | TimMagic | ibot change 200 DKK to GBP |
| 10:27.55 | TimMagic | i am a met police officer |
| 10:28.37 | SlammerXP | not a journalist then |
| 10:28.44 | TimMagic | mope |
| 10:29.11 | TimMagic | though i have a blog! |
| 10:29.13 | SlammerXP | Cope: I told you they'd track you down eventually :) |
| 10:29.19 | TimMagic | does that count? |
| 10:29.34 | SlammerXP | it helps. |
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| 10:34.19 | morsing | eyore! |
| 10:34.28 | eyore | lo |
| 10:35.17 | SlammerXP | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/FumY80/fighting-hamster.jpg |
| 10:35.25 | SlammerXP | work safe |
| 10:35.33 | SlammerXP | unless you get in trouble for laughing at work |
| 10:38.01 | TimMagic | hmm should have waited for the bit after work safe before looking at that - just been fired for animal cruelty :-) |
| 10:38.57 | skugg | that was quick. |
| 10:46.43 | SlammerXP | random fact: I've now implemented every feature ever requested for abmx |
| 11:00.46 | morsing | Check it! |
| 11:02.11 | TimMagic | ibot 14.93 + 19 |
| 11:02.22 | ibot | 33.93 |
| 11:02.49 | TimMagic | ibot change 33.93 USD to GBP |
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| 11:07.33 | TimMagic | xpslammer: where did u go? |
| 11:07.51 | XPSlammer | my computer threw a wobbly |
| 11:08.07 | TimMagic | alas not cool |
| 11:11.26 | mozrat | TimMagic: not working today? |
| 11:12.11 | TimMagic | nope |
| 11:12.21 | TimMagic | rest day again |
| 11:13.10 | XPSlammer | i should cut the lawn |
| 11:13.50 | TimMagic | but you arent going to? |
| 11:14.15 | XPSlammer | i have two options |
| 11:14.19 | XPSlammer | 1) cut the lawn |
| 11:14.34 | XPSlammer | 2) sit in front of the PC, drink beers, and move on to the wine |
| 11:14.44 | TimMagic | i vote for 2 |
| 11:15.01 | XPSlammer | in fairness I have worked hard recently |
| 11:15.09 | XPSlammer | 18 hours straight yesterday |
| 11:15.27 | TimMagic | ouch |
| 11:15.29 | TimMagic | not fun |
| 11:16.32 | morsing | XPSlammer: You work?! |
| 11:16.45 | XPSlammer | morsing: I toil ceaselessly and tirelessly |
| 11:16.52 | XPSlammer | except when I cease, or get tired. |
| 11:17.05 | TimMagic | hehe! |
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| 11:17.25 | keithlard | ho ho! |
| 11:17.32 | XPSlammer | 18 hours of non-stop nose-to-the-keyboard yesterday |
| 11:17.43 | keithlard | have you all been good this year? |
| 11:17.45 | XPSlammer | or 10 minutes had I not used my nose to type with |
| 11:18.02 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 11:18.08 | XPSlammer | keithlard: errrr |
| 11:18.33 | XPSlammer | you may wish to rephrase that :) |
| 11:18.54 | keithlard | are you passing remarks about my sack |
| 11:19.10 | XPSlammer | you're the one making free with it's contents |
| 11:20.26 | skugg | "its"! "its content"! |
| 11:22.31 | keithlard | actually, its syntax, not grammar :) |
| 11:22.40 | XPSlammer | keithlard: "it's" |
| 11:23.32 | XPSlammer | skugg: I expect this is now an ideal time to discuss your anti-spam and anti-virus mail filtering provision |
| 11:23.43 | keithlard | sorry, i meant to type 'it's', but i missed out it's apostrophe |
| 11:23.54 | XPSlammer | keithlard: "its" |
| 11:24.10 | keithlard | yeah sorry, i keep forgetting its 'its' not 'it's' |
| 11:24.18 | XPSlammer | keithlard: "it's" |
| 11:24.58 | keithlard | its called aversion therapy ;) |
| 11:25.29 | skugg | meh. banter I can take. |
| 11:26.26 | skugg | XPSlammer: spamassassin & Mail.app / Thunderbird's junk mail filtering just about does it for me. |
| 11:26.36 | XPSlammer | that's not good enough |
| 11:27.31 | skugg | er, i forgot the 650 line exim4 config |
| 11:27.32 | keithlard | i do not mind the grocer's apostrophe so much, i quite like it when people put things in superfluous quotation marks, like when you go into a cafe and they have signs advertising tea and "coffee" |
| 11:27.38 | skugg | it's sorta strict. |
| 11:27.50 | keithlard | as if to say 'a liquid that it pleases us to call coffee' |
| 11:27.55 | XPSlammer | skugg: there's a flaw in your system though. |
| 11:28.32 | TimMagic | tims top tip - when going to buy things, take your wallet! other wise you have to come back home to get it :-( |
| 11:28.48 | TimMagic | s/other wise/otherwise/ |
| 11:28.49 | skugg | my exim rejectlog had 168k lines last month. |
| 11:28.59 | skugg | XPSlammer: probably. |
| 11:29.04 | XPSlammer | skugg: do you see the bit where you don't pay me any money whatsoever? |
| 11:29.21 | skugg | XPSlammer: yeah. that's not it. |
| 12:02.32 | keithlard | where'd everyone go |
| 12:03.37 | mozrat | I'm here |
| 12:03.45 | keithlard | yaay :) |
| 12:03.53 | mozrat | woo-hoo |
| 12:07.03 | mozrat | However - I have nothing interesting to say |
| 12:07.51 | wethrin | That never stops George :) |
| 12:13.44 | XPSlammer | i'm behind |
| 12:13.48 | wethrin | Tut tut |
| 12:29.34 | morsing | FNaaaat |
| 12:30.24 | wethrin | MORSING! |
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| 12:32.02 | keithlard | is there a way to run vmware headless? |
| 12:32.10 | keithlard | vmplayer, i should say |
| 12:33.25 | Erwin | Isn't that what their commercial server is all about? |
| 12:33.51 | iTron | keithlard: vmware server doesn't require there to be a running vmware-console on the host machine. |
| 12:34.03 | iTron | keithlard: And, it's free as in beer. |
| 12:34.11 | mozrat | keithlard: I run vmware-server headless |
| 12:34.13 | mozrat | works nicely |
| 12:34.24 | mozrat | iTron: snap! |
| 12:34.37 | iTron | mozrat: I got in there first. :P |
| 12:34.43 | mozrat | you did :) |
| 12:35.36 | keithlard | cheers... i don't have X or console access to this machine... i was hoping to install vmware and then ssh into the vm via the bridged nic... sound feasiblle? |
| 12:35.49 | mozrat | very |
| 12:35.52 | keithlard | ace :) |
| 12:36.03 | keithlard | vmware-server, you say... i will investergate |
| 12:36.07 | mozrat | keithlard: I have some notes on installing it if you like |
| 12:37.00 | keithlard | reely! that would be super |
| 12:37.01 | iTron | keithlard: You can run a vmware-console on another computer. It's GUI based and presents itself like the Workstation product. ALl you do is refer it to the hos machine running vmware-server and Bob's yer uncle. Or something. |
| 12:37.24 | iTron | s/hos/host/ |
| 12:37.36 | keithlard | cool |
| 12:38.20 | mozrat | keithlard: what is your mail addy? |
| 12:38.44 | keithlard | johnarundel@wordtracker.com |
| 12:38.59 | keithlard | i must shorten that actually ;) |
| 12:39.06 | mozrat | ooh, wordtracker. |
| 12:39.11 | mozrat | I've heard of you guys |
| 12:39.31 | keithlard | reely? |
| 12:39.35 | mozrat | yah |
| 12:39.43 | mozrat | search engine guys? |
| 12:39.50 | keithlard | yes... keyword research |
| 12:40.07 | mozrat | that was it |
| 12:40.31 | mozrat | I need to pull the notes from my internal blog - I'll send them over shortly |
| 12:40.40 | keithlard | ta muchly |
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| 12:51.22 | mozrat | hey IAmAI |
| 12:51.30 | IAmAI | Hi. |
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| 12:53.00 | boudicca1 | check it! |
| 12:53.12 | IAmAI | What what? |
| 12:54.17 | mozrat | boudicca1!!! Hello |
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| 13:08.05 | mozrat | well if the world is going to end in Armageddon today it is certainly nice weather for it |
| 13:08.29 | angelchild | aye |
| 13:08.29 | wethrin | Yeah. Pity I'm stuck in the lab |
| 13:08.47 | angelchild | my exam this morning tried to sneak up and stab me in the back but i showed it who's boss |
| 13:09.06 | wethrin | Yay! |
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| 13:09.31 | mozrat | nice one angelchild |
| 13:10.00 | boudicca1 | mozrat: hello to you :) |
| 13:10.11 | boudicca1 | irssi is beginning to rule :) |
| 13:10.35 | mozrat | boudicca1: yes it does! |
| 13:10.42 | mozrat | did you get a freeshell account? |
| 13:11.15 | boudicca1 | nope still running it offen my home box |
| 13:11.36 | mozrat | right |
| 13:11.53 | mozrat | I need to find a non-evil use for irssi scripts |
| 13:11.53 | boudicca1 | iow still playing with it |
| 13:12.00 | mozrat | I haven't really done anything with that yet |
| 13:39.08 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.50 | keithlard | alright! |
| 13:51.51 | keithlard | i was thinking about setting up an rpm repository actually, as currently we stick them in cvs |
| 13:52.58 | keithlard | i do not know how you do it, but i bet z00dax does |
| 13:58.18 | George | death!!!! |
| 14:00.00 | boudicca1 | keithlard: have you got 'createrepo' installed? |
| 14:00.12 | keithlard | no, is it good? |
| 14:00.47 | boudicca1 | if so, just put the rpm's wherever you want and then run 'createrepo /path/to/foobar' ar root or sudo |
| 14:01.00 | boudicca1 | its veery easy to create your own repo with it |
| 14:01.18 | boudicca1 | *even 'very' too :) |
| 14:03.05 | boudicca1 | Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice. |
| 14:06.09 | morsing | Moo |
| 14:06.14 | boudicca1 | cow |
| 14:06.18 | keithlard | wizzo :) |
| 14:06.19 | keithlard | thanks |
| 14:06.41 | boudicca1 | keithlard: you got it installed and working okay then? :) |
| 14:09.33 | keithlard | not yet... i will give it a try though, ta |
| 14:12.39 | morsing | boudicca1! |
| 14:13.11 | George | moo |
| 14:26.30 | stephanb2 | ni |
| 14:30.17 | keithlard | graah, i hate firewalls |
| 14:31.59 | stephanb2 | keithlard: two spoonfuls of hosts.deny and hosts.allow nicely spice up firewall issues |
| 14:33.17 | keithlard | i'm trying to frob a netscreen |
| 14:35.51 | keithlard | and getting nowhere |
| 14:39.57 | stephanb2 | keithlard: are you firewalled (with no control on that) or are you firewalling ? |
| 14:42.40 | keithlard | i'm trying to open a hole for one machine to talk to another, and it's not working, and i can't figure out why :( |
| 14:43.34 | stephanb2 | keithlard: what i normally do in that case is take the firewall down to check there isn't another security setting blocking |
| 14:43.56 | keithlard | hmm that is good thinking... i don't really want to do that though as it is a group firewall for a whole bunch of machines |
| 14:44.02 | stephanb2 | especially if you have ALL:ALL in hosts.deny |
| 14:44.13 | keithlard | yes that wouldn't help ;) |
| 14:44.35 | stephanb2 | it's generally wot happens to me |
| 14:46.01 | keithlard | we're not using tcpwrappers anyway |
| 14:48.31 | keithlard | and because it's not iptables, i can't look at drop messages |
| 14:52.47 | cbz | heh |
| 14:57.09 | knitter | Birthdays are good for you - the more you have the longer you live! |
| 14:57.45 | keithlard | :) |
| 14:57.49 | eyore | yes and pirates cause global warming |
| 14:58.21 | knitter | eyore: how do pirates cause global warming? :) |
| 14:58.52 | keithlard | or as john glenn remarked, there is still no cure for the common birthday |
| 14:59.08 | knitter | keithlard: lol |
| 14:59.17 | eyore | http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 14:59.48 | cbz | yes |
| 14:59.49 | cbz | old |
| 15:01.48 | knitter | but still worth a smirk :) |
| 15:27.21 | eyore | actually it looks more like pirates stop global warming... |
| 15:27.53 | eyore | other random facts there is a corrolation between banana imports and birth rate |
| 15:29.06 | mozrat | The amount of music downloaded from the internet has a direct correlation with the number of birth defects in kittens |
| 15:29.15 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 15:29.45 | TimMagic | its true |
| 15:29.55 | mozrat | if you download music you are responsible!!! |
| 15:30.00 | cbz | Good. |
| 15:30.00 | TimMagic | just like movie piracy causes aids |
| 15:30.05 | cbz | I hate cats anyway. |
| 15:30.33 | knitter | cbz: ah, but they're nice in a curry :) |
| 15:30.57 | cbz | No - they are useless animals. Malicious little shits to the manjack. |
| 15:31.10 | TimMagic | mozrat: are we talking legal downloads or bittorrent-esque ones? |
| 15:31.42 | mozrat | pirated ones |
| 15:32.13 | TimMagic | i see |
| 15:32.42 | TimMagic | those do cause feline birth defects - i read it in the daily mirror |
| 15:34.08 | mozrat | New LUGRadio out today if anyone cares |
| 15:34.13 | cbz | Attacks on mozrat by George correlate with George growing older. |
| 15:34.17 | eyore | cats have brain parasites |
| 15:34.24 | eyore | that humans can catch |
| 15:34.45 | eyore | possibly causing unknown behavioural changes in humans |
| 15:34.56 | *** part/#gllug knitter (n=boudicca@88-108-117-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 15:34.57 | eyore | over 40% of the population already them |
| 15:35.17 | TimMagic | i think we have found georges problem ;-) |
| 15:35.20 | eyore | the same parasite in rats makes the rats more prone to getting eaten by cats |
| 15:35.38 | mozrat | I'm getting loads of comment spam this week |
| 15:35.44 | cbz | The same parasite in men makes them more unsociable. |
| 15:35.56 | cbz | And the same parasite in women causes them to act in a more flirtatous manner |
| 15:35.57 | mozrat | makes me sad to think of all those spammers reading my blog and taking the time to leave a comment |
| 15:36.28 | keithlard | fun fact: it's called the post-hoc fallacy |
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| 15:37.09 | George | mozrat: I've been getting loads for the past month |
| 15:37.19 | George | mozrat: I'm more popular than you! :P |
| 15:37.30 | eyore | cbz is that true? |
| 15:37.32 | knitter | George: says who? |
| 15:37.46 | George | I get more spam |
| 15:37.55 | cbz | eyore - it was reported in the BBC's sci/tech section - so it must be ;) |
| 15:38.06 | knitter | that means you're fatter because you eat more spam |
| 15:38.15 | George | I'm a fat bastard, yes |
| 15:38.16 | cbz | It was one of the fluff pieces for the quieter day. |
| 15:38.47 | mozrat | George: S9Y does a spiffing job of keeping it out |
| 15:39.04 | George | well, I actually get loads of TRACKBACK spam |
| 15:39.06 | knitter | George's favourite diet ... spam, spam, spam [with apologies for tying up Monty Python and George in the same sentence] |
| 15:40.16 | stephanb2 | George: now you can start a Hip Hop band called "OFB" |
| 15:40.32 | stephanb2 | or even "YFB" |
| 15:40.40 | iTron | Wheeee. now the office fit-out and cabling contractor is trying to charge us a further 4 grand for connecting 188 cat5e cables to data sockets and corresponding patch panel sockets :D |
| 15:40.56 | mozrat | iTron: I'll do it for 3 |
| 15:41.01 | knitter | stephanb2: nah, tfb |
| 15:41.29 | iTron | mozrat: bwahaha. |
| 15:41.57 | knitter | 21.25UKP each! |
| 15:42.34 | knitter | mozrat: how do you get the UKP sign into irssi? |
| 15:42.47 | mozrat | knitter: excellent question |
| 15:42.49 | knitter | mine just comes up with a question mark |
| 15:42.59 | keithlard | £ |
| 15:43.08 | cbz | knitter: set your terminal up correctly |
| 15:43.08 | mozrat | Mine does also but I thought it was because I was overdrawn |
| 15:43.11 | keithlard | did that show up? |
| 15:43.24 | iTron | £ |
| 15:43.37 | iTron | Did anyone see the pound sign? |
| 15:43.41 | mozrat | yes |
| 15:43.51 | boudiccas | cbz; how? don't understand |
| 15:43.54 | keithlard | it was preceded by a swedish A though |
| 15:44.05 | iTron | Good. Because it shows up as a weird inverse question mark in the irssi input line for some odd reason. |
| 15:44.11 | iTron | Agh. |
| 15:44.24 | keithlard | that's spanish! |
| 15:44.46 | George | right, I've disabled making comments from API calls |
| 15:44.48 | keithlard | ¿ |
| 15:44.51 | George | which means no more trackbacks |
| 15:45.03 | cbz | boudiccas - its just a character code, it relies on both ends being able to map it as a glyph. but sometimes if that char code doesn't exist in the local mapping you won't be able to send it. |
| 15:45.18 | knitter | ah, i c |
| 15:45.31 | stephanb2 | gotta go |
| 15:45.33 | cbz | http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html |
| 15:46.21 | George | PIGS! |
| 15:46.31 | knitter | cbz: ty |
| 15:47.51 | keithlard | ah, i know that bloke :) |
| 15:48.21 | keithlard | sort of |
| 15:51.42 | knitter | cbz: well i've just scanned the section on UKP in that document, and it doesn't say how to get it displaying :( |
| 15:52.29 | cbz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.03 | keithlard | if i enable ping in the firewall, it pings. if i enable ssh, ssh doesn't get through |
| 15:55.17 | keithlard | is there any other reason why it would time out connecting to ssh? |
| 15:55.31 | cbz | Are DNS lookups required and allowed? |
| 15:58.00 | keithlard | umm.... no |
| 15:58.42 | cbz | so you are running ssh ipaddress and it isn't working? |
| 15:59.13 | keithlard | that's right :( |
| 15:59.29 | keithlard | i've run out of bright ideas |
| 15:59.51 | cbz | and ping same-ip-address works? |
| 16:00.35 | keithlard | yeah |
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| 16:01.15 | cbz | A. Is ssh running on the host ? B. How far does the connection get if you look at it in ethereal? |
| 16:01.44 | keithlard | i can ssh to it from other machines ok |
| 16:09.46 | keithlard | 16:08:42.219542 IP topaz.verio.wordtracker.com.47485 > cruncher1.ssh: S 2252082203:2252082203(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 1339254107 0,nop,wscale 2> |
| 16:09.53 | keithlard | it never comes back though |
| 16:10.49 | cbz | What's the firewall? |
| 16:11.01 | George | sausages |
| 16:11.07 | cbz | And have you enabled SSH the correct way. |
| 16:11.10 | keithlard | netscreen |
| 16:11.20 | cbz | No idea then :) |
| 16:11.33 | keithlard | what do you mean by 'the correct way' |
| 16:12.24 | mozrat | keithlard: you only saw that one packet on your tcpdump? |
| 16:12.35 | cbz | Well, is it assuming that the SYN, SYN/ACK sequence is following in the direction that you are sending it? Rather than the other way around |
| 16:12.49 | mozrat | do you have access to another host on the same LAN? That would discount problems with SSH itself |
| 16:13.09 | mozrat | s/discount/discount some/ |
| 16:13.27 | keithlard | cbz> did you mean is the firewall rule in the right direction? yes |
| 16:13.43 | keithlard | moz> it just keeps sending the same packet |
| 16:14.03 | mozrat | keithlard: what about machine on same LAN? |
| 16:14.06 | keithlard | i'll try |
| 16:14.09 | mozrat | k |
| 16:16.49 | keithlard | ok, well those two networks are basically not talking to each other :) |
| 16:17.12 | keithlard | that's weird |
| 16:17.39 | mozrat | what happened when you tried it on the same LAN? |
| 16:19.58 | mozrat | 10 comment spams just today |
| 16:20.12 | keithlard | i tried from another host on the source lan, that didn't work either |
| 16:20.18 | TimMagic | random question: is there any way of stopping mIRC going ping? pong! every stupid 10 minutes? |
| 16:20.23 | TimMagic | its really annoying! |
| 16:20.25 | keithlard | i tried from the same source host to another one on the destination lan, no good either |
| 16:20.38 | keithlard | then i tried the other two combinations :) |
| 16:20.48 | keithlard | basically nothing works |
| 16:21.07 | mozrat | did you try from one host on the same IP subnet to another? |
| 16:21.15 | mozrat | it could be an iptables rule |
| 16:23.16 | keithlard | yes, i see what you mean |
| 16:23.20 | mozrat | TimMagic: NFI, I'm afraid |
| 16:23.55 | cbz | NFI? |
| 16:24.00 | cbz | not fucking ? |
| 16:24.10 | cbz | ah, idea |
| 16:24.37 | mozrat | ibot nfi |
| 16:24.38 | ibot | well, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 16:24.54 | mozrat | It could also mean "Not fucking interested" as well I guess |
| 16:25.03 | mozrat | but i meant the ibot version |
| 16:27.55 | keithlard | i think you're on the money mozrat - it's the *outgoing* rules from the source lan that don't permit ssh |
| 16:28.24 | keithlard | which is a completely different firewall... d'oh :) |
| 16:31.22 | mozrat | woo! |
| 16:32.36 | mozrat | My work here is done. I shall proceed home and await the bat shaped light to be shone over the London night sky |
| 16:39.29 | mozrat | Oh, if you were serious I'll have a L please |
| 16:40.28 | mozrat | ta-ra ibot |
| 16:40.30 | mozrat | heh |
| 16:40.32 | mozrat | iTron |
| 16:41.48 | keithlard | ok i'll bring one along to the next glugness |
| 16:44.26 | mozrat | keithlard: thanks very much |
| 16:44.37 | keithlard | thank YOU :) |
| 16:44.38 | mozrat | George is crying because you only have t-shirts going up to XL |
| 16:45.09 | mozrat | Right - really going home now |
| 16:59.03 | TimMagic | mozrat: thanks! |
| 17:00.12 | TimMagic | mozrat: if you are batman ,who is robin? |
| 17:27.00 | morsing | cake |
| 17:28.57 | keithlard | it stimulates a part of the brain known as 'Shatner's Bassoon' |
| 17:33.27 | wethrin | Is keithlard watching Brass Eye? |
| 17:33.55 | keithlard | :) |
| 17:35.42 | TimMagic | fyi i syubbed my toe |
| 17:35.47 | TimMagic | it hurts |
| 17:38.46 | mozrat | TimMagic - i am robin to morsings batman |
| 17:38.58 | mozrat | he has the nice car, i get all the chicks |
| 17:39.03 | wethrin | Holy AIX, batman! |
| 17:39.21 | mozrat | I just bumped into that nice Dean Wilson chap on the Central Line |
| 17:39.43 | wethrin | ooh, yes? |
| 17:40.12 | mozrat | yes, bit of a coincidence. i never see anyone i know on the tube |
| 18:03.39 | *** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 18:05.41 | z00dax | looks like i missed all the action |
| 18:06.09 | wethrin | Hot IRC action! |
| 18:06.14 | wethrin | Umm |
| 18:09.54 | z00dax | wowzer |
| 18:10.12 | z00dax | wh'ud have thunk it.. |
| 18:10.22 | z00dax | www.mailscanner.info - a real proper website.. |
| 18:10.35 | z00dax | Julian must be really really free these days |
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| 18:12.57 | wethrin | AC! |
| 18:17.49 | morsing | BH! |
| 18:18.43 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 18:18.45 | morsing | ? |
| 18:19.03 | morsing | Coffee? |
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| 18:29.47 | JAV | hi |
| 18:38.22 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 18:38.23 | wethrin | Beer? |
| 18:40.25 | Cope | mmm beer |
| 18:40.37 | morsing | wine |
| 18:40.49 | wethrin | cheese? |
| 18:47.11 | morsing | Sun? |
| 18:47.12 | Cope | ham? |
| 18:48.28 | wethrin | SGI |
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| 21:16.40 | eeeeyore | i've just started with rails and need a ruby language book but there seems to be several |
| 21:19.41 | eeeeyore | oh well amazon are doing a spend 20 quid get a five pound voucher |
| 21:19.46 | eeeeyore | so maybe i'll get two |
| 21:19.58 | mozrat | sounds like a plan |
| 21:20.04 | mozrat | never really looked at RoR |
| 21:20.12 | mozrat | did you go to that talk last month on it? |
| 21:20.33 | Erwin | eeeeyore: The pickaxe book is good, from the pragmatic programmers |
| 21:20.36 | eeeeyore | no i have been to a talk at a web2.0 conference by one of the rails guys |
| 21:20.46 | eeeeyore | arr i was heading that way Erwin |
| 21:20.59 | Erwin | eeeeyore: I'd recommend Python instead of icky Ruby, unless you really like the magic of Perl. |
| 21:21.00 | eeeeyore | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0974514055/ref=ord_cart_shr/203-1949532-6912730?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE |
| 21:21.31 | eeeeyore | I'm sure python is ok. the only reason i'm interested in ruby is really rails though |
| 21:21.40 | eeeeyore | zope isn't quite the same kettle of fish |
| 21:21.54 | Erwin | Indeed. Turbogears & Django are what you can compare RoR with. |
| 21:25.02 | mozrat | Erwin: from your point of view why Python over Perl? Apart from cleaner code... |
| 21:25.03 | Erwin | BTW, has anyone built with something Linux Virtual Server? Why would I use something like that instead of a LB box? |
| 21:25.28 | Erwin | mozrat: Enough for me. Try writing some multi-level data structures in Perl. Ick. |
| 21:25.45 | Erwin | Functions have no named arguments (things like default arguments, keyword args etc. are great in Python) |
| 21:26.00 | Erwin | Less magic, more regular code, not as many magic tricks |
| 21:26.30 | mozrat | Fair enough - good for me |
| 21:26.41 | Erwin | I like this exchange about it -- http://programming.reddit.com/info/4mtm/comments#c4nu3 |
| 21:26.47 | eeeeyore | erwin i'll watch the movie |
| 21:32.00 | eeeeyore | can't help but think this 20minute demo could have ben 5 minutes if turbogears had scaffolding. |
| 21:33.36 | eeeeyore | i quite like this new obsession with creating movie files for development stuff though |
| 21:34.22 | eeeeyore | not bad but i'd say rails look a little more thought out |
| 21:35.19 | eeeeyore | that's not to say ruby is any good of course... |
| 21:35.25 | angelchild | Erwin: link broken for me |
| 21:36.14 | eeeeyore | strange it works for me |
| 21:36.43 | eeeeyore | the thing that is quite amusing about these demos |
| 21:37.08 | eeeeyore | is that even in java i can create an app like this in a few minutes |
| 21:37.14 | eeeeyore | as long as i did the whole thing already once |
| 21:37.23 | eeeeyore | that first time is what takes all the time! |
| 21:37.48 | eeeeyore | basically what i'm saying is they cheat :) |
| 21:38.50 | eeeeyore | you never see them mismap something between the model view or controller logic, get a strange error and waste an hour trying to work out where they went wrong. |
| 21:39.56 | eeeeyore | why not? |
| 21:40.17 | angelchild | since there's so many errors you could pick up just by ensuring that the right types are passed around in the right places. I much prefer errors at compile time than at run time |
| 21:40.37 | angelchild | then again it's annoying having to explicitly declare types everywhere |
| 21:40.48 | eeeeyore | yeah but i code java all day and i never get a compile error for incorrectly typed data |
| 21:40.50 | angelchild | infering types is nice in a way but difficult to do right and i suppose somewhat obscure |
| 21:40.57 | eeeeyore | it's just not an error you make often |
| 21:41.16 | angelchild | hrm |
| 21:41.37 | eeeeyore | because you are always thinking about your objects interactions and they have sensible names |
| 21:41.49 | angelchild | Java's type system isn't particularly expressive either |
| 21:41.59 | eeeeyore | it's just very unlikely you will ever call house.putIn(sock) |
| 21:42.12 | eeeeyore | then suddenly realise at runtime you meant foot not house |
| 21:42.52 | eeeeyore | the only issue i have with it is I like code completion and it's often not implemented for dynamic languages |
| 21:43.14 | angelchild | it allows you to assume certain things are true for parameters though |
| 21:43.32 | angelchild | it just feels like driving without a seatbelt |
| 21:43.58 | angelchild | fine while it all works but if it crashes and goes horridly wrong then it might be harder to debug |
| 21:44.13 | angelchild | I say might, I've not really worked with enough dynamic typing to say much at all about debugging it |
| 21:44.33 | eeeeyore | let's take java collections prior to jdk1.5 |
| 21:44.46 | eeeeyore | i never once made a typing error in 4 years that i can remember |
| 21:44.50 | eeeeyore | now i cast them all |
| 21:45.05 | eeeeyore | find it hard to convince myself that is a major advantage |
| 21:45.18 | eeeeyore | apart from for autocompletion again |
| 21:45.29 | angelchild | that's a serious flaw in Java I think - why should you have to explicitly cast all the time? |
| 21:45.44 | eeeeyore | in what situation? |
| 21:45.47 | angelchild | surely the idea of generic containers is that they're generic and can infer what type they're supposed to be |
| 21:46.11 | angelchild | then again i suppose if you have multiple types in them it's harder to tell |
| 21:46.18 | angelchild | hrm |
| 21:46.39 | angelchild | I wonder if the problem i'm getting at is that it's impossible for a compiler/interpreter to read the programmer's mind :) |
| 21:46.42 | eeeeyore | if the type is specified then you don't need to cast anymore |
| 21:47.42 | eeeeyore | that is true |
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| 21:48.11 | eeeeyore | but i mean there is other arbitrary rules we could specify at compile time i guess the question is, is it worth it |
| 21:48.22 | eeeeyore | because it does restrict what you can then do at runtime |
| 21:49.21 | angelchild | the thing i want most is as many errors as possible detected at compile time since that ensures the program is the least buggy it can be in my eyes |
| 21:49.39 | angelchild | (or if not "compile" time some sort of checker for interpreted languages) |
| 21:49.51 | George | moo |
| 21:49.52 | angelchild | though I suppose a properly written test framework would mitigate against that |
| 21:49.55 | angelchild | hi George |
| 21:49.57 | eeeeyore | what if the static typing results in a larger code base and less re-use? |
| 21:50.04 | George | angelchild: go away |
| 21:50.08 | eeeeyore | is that a compromise worth while for catching casting errors? |
| 21:50.44 | angelchild | probably not |
| 21:51.05 | Erwin | What would I pay for some kind of SAN? Do they export always as fiber or are there some cheaper types of controllers for them? |
| 21:51.25 | angelchild | I think the less code you write the less errors there'll be |
| 21:52.04 | angelchild | maybe properly designing the system is more important in that respect - I'm just thinking that having things like typed returns is a fairly obvious way of implying what you can do with the objects a method returns |
| 21:53.15 | eeeeyore | Do you often not know the type of an object and try to call a method on it belonging to another class and get that compile time warning? |
| 21:54.01 | eeeeyore | or is it just a crutch? |
| 21:56.06 | angelchild | I honestly don't know now that you ask |
| 21:56.45 | angelchild | my gut feeling is that without it explicit in the code you'd have to rely on documentation and i don't trust people to document things, but that might just be me being conservative |
| 21:57.04 | eeeeyore | Because I always believed that static typing was worth while for the reasons you said till i met a couple of smalltalk developers who pointed out all the java code was pointlessly longer for errors that we never make anyway and I ended up agreeing with them. |
| 21:57.48 | angelchild | which sort of errors? |
| 21:58.14 | angelchild | I really dislike Java's reliance on exception handling |
| 21:58.25 | eeeeyore | well that's a different kettle of fish |
| 21:58.26 | angelchild | it seems clunky and unnecessary most of the time |
| 21:58.51 | eeeeyore | maybe more of the exceptions should be runtime exceptions |
| 21:59.00 | eeeeyore | which don't need to be caught |
| 21:59.04 | eeeeyore | all of them are like that in .NET |
| 21:59.10 | angelchild | how so? |
| 21:59.11 | eeeeyore | but i think that's worse |
| 21:59.19 | eeeeyore | well you know exceptions are in hierarchy |
| 21:59.25 | eeeeyore | some need to be caught other don't |
| 21:59.32 | angelchild | ah, yeah |
| 21:59.41 | eeeeyore | like you can stick OutOfMemory catching around every new call if you wanted |
| 21:59.47 | eeeeyore | but obviously you aren't forced to |
| 21:59.55 | eeeeyore | then some IOerror have to be caught |
| 22:00.04 | eeeeyore | in .NET they are all like OUtOfMemory in java |
| 22:00.10 | eeeeyore | you can catch them but you don't have to |
| 22:00.18 | angelchild | isn't that a bit like selectively catching POSIX signals? |
| 22:00.36 | eeeeyore | but then I will generalise and say that most MS developers probably consider error handling as an afterthought to a crash. |
| 22:00.58 | angelchild | heh |
| 22:02.23 | eeeeyore | I discovered last week that using a URL Object as a key in a hashtable can take up to 3minutes and then throw a runtimeException. guess why? |
| 22:03.41 | angelchild | times out trying to access the URL? |
| 22:04.21 | eeeeyore | no not quite that bad |
| 22:05.11 | eeeeyore | the hashcode method of URL does a toString on URL which attempts to resolve the host in the url for some *really* stupid reason and the resolution can take upto 3mins to fail to resolve. |
| 22:05.37 | eeeeyore | possibly the most badly written bits of core java i've seen |
| 22:05.48 | eeeeyore | (one of) |
| 22:06.07 | angelchild | ouch |
| 22:06.12 | angelchild | GregorianCalendar is a mess |
| 22:06.19 | angelchild | why are months measured 0-11? |
| 22:06.31 | eeeeyore | legacy from the fallout of the bodged date classes |
| 22:06.39 | eeeeyore | use the constants |
| 22:06.51 | angelchild | it's presumably some stupid reason like they've got an array full of the string representations and don't want to have to subtract 1 :o |
| 22:07.10 | angelchild | I was using it as a timestamp i think |
| 22:07.12 | eeeeyore | most things is computers start from 0 |
| 22:07.16 | eeeeyore | you learn to live with it |
| 22:07.17 | angelchild | true that |
| 22:07.22 | angelchild | but the other fields aren't consistent |
| 22:07.35 | angelchild | though they make sense |
| 22:09.37 | eeeeyore | i still see a lot of developers using deprecated date methods |
| 22:09.52 | eeeeyore | which probably indicated gregorian calendar is universally hated/misunderstood |
| 22:10.07 | z00dax | evenings |
| 22:10.14 | eeeeyore | evening |
| 22:12.11 | eeeeyore | Do EMP weapons/bombs really exist? |
| 22:12.20 | eeeeyore | i realise that is a slight change of topic |
| 22:12.29 | z00dax | i am quite sure they do |
| 22:12.38 | z00dax | maybe not mass market deployed in the field as yet |
| 22:13.11 | eeeeyore | good. if software development doesn't improve over the next few years there is always hope of wiping out all the electronics in london. |
| 22:13.24 | z00dax | yay! |
| 22:14.00 | eeeeyore | cept my dvd player would also be affected. hmm, going to have to weigh up pros/cons |
| 22:14.08 | TimMagic | hmm |
| 22:14.15 | TimMagic | they do exixt afaik |
| 22:15.13 | eeeeyore | i know they used one in series four of 24 |
| 22:15.17 | mozrat | eeeeyore: I think they do exist and and were trailed in Iraq |
| 22:15.26 | mozrat | not on a huge scale though |
| 22:15.29 | eeeeyore | but i'm willing to concede that that isn't hard evidence |
| 22:16.02 | eeeeyore | they also had "cisco firewalls" that kept some of the worlds best funded terrorists from overloading the CTU network |
| 22:16.08 | TimMagic | i think i read soewhere that one was used to disable a computer network |
| 22:16.12 | eeeeyore | and that seemed a little implausible :) |
| 22:16.17 | TimMagic | but may be mistaken |
| 22:16.37 | mozrat | eeeeyore: have you read the 24 gags on my blog? |
| 22:17.08 | TimMagic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse |
| 22:17.58 | eeeeyore | "Using inexpensive supplies and rudimentary engineering knowledge, a terrorist organization could easily construct a dangerous e-bomb device." |
| 22:18.01 | eeeeyore | always reassuring |
| 22:18.24 | eeeeyore | like that guy who was building a cruise misile in his garage whilst documenting his progress via a blog |
| 22:18.58 | z00dax | you dont need bombs to scare / cause damage |
| 22:19.24 | z00dax | you need a George |
| 22:20.00 | eeeeyore | "a moving short circuit causing a compressed magnetic wave" |
| 22:20.01 | z00dax | :) |
| 22:20.07 | TimMagic | i like the bit about it taking a nanosecond and "frying the insides" |
| 22:20.16 | eeeeyore | magnets in themselves are quite fasinating |
| 22:20.24 | eeeeyore | it seems strange we don't use them for more things |
| 22:20.30 | eeeeyore | than closing doors and the like |
| 22:20.43 | TimMagic | stealing pennies from tramps |
| 22:20.47 | eeeeyore | heh |
| 22:21.02 | TimMagic | remote undoing of zips |
| 22:21.24 | TimMagic | what was that for?? |
| 22:21.37 | eeeeyore | undoing zips. |
| 22:21.48 | TimMagic | it could be worse |
| 22:21.52 | TimMagic | i nearly said bras |
| 22:25.45 | z00dax | bras have zip's ? |
| 22:25.58 | TimMagic | no - they have metal clips ;) |
| 22:26.42 | eeeeyore | ok for some reason i have now found myself reading an article about "nipplegate" on wikipedia |
| 22:26.51 | angelchild | they have sort of slidey clips |
| 22:26.55 | eeeeyore | time to go to bed before i get sucked into wikipedia world |
| 22:27.06 | angelchild | heh |
| 22:27.08 | angelchild | gnight eeeeyore |
| 22:27.12 | eeeeyore | nn |
| 22:27.22 | TimMagic | nipplegate - i am intruiged! |
| 22:27.51 | z00dax | yes, the ones with clips - I've met those, I've also met some really crazy ones, where the clips are not always what they seem to be... |
| 22:27.59 | z00dax | never met one with a zip, not yet - but who knows... |
| 22:35.10 | TimMagic | you should meet the woman i meet... |
| 22:35.23 | TimMagic | s/woman/women/ |
| 22:35.57 | z00dax | yes maybe I should. I dont meet half as many women as I should |
| 22:37.35 | TimMagic | the trouble is i tend to meet women in the station |
| 22:37.40 | TimMagic | who are either |
| 22:37.50 | TimMagic | police officers or criminals |
| 22:38.13 | TimMagic | druggies and hookers and shoplifters and vagrants |
| 22:38.29 | TimMagic | not good for dating |
| 22:38.42 | z00dax | i agree |
| 22:38.49 | z00dax | however, police officers you say ? |
| 22:38.56 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 22:38.58 | z00dax | .oO0 { hummc} |
| 22:39.12 | TimMagic | ? |
| 22:40.29 | TimMagic | may seem appealing but they carry handcuffs and batons and they know how to hurt people |
| 22:41.12 | z00dax | and ... thats a bad thing ??? how ? |
| 22:41.36 | angelchild | man, i so want a time machine |
| 22:41.39 | TimMagic | they can beat you up! |
| 22:41.46 | TimMagic | anglechild: me too |
| 22:42.03 | angelchild | I'd go back in history appearing out of nowhere and hugging people |
| 22:42.11 | angelchild | a bit like an agony aunt crossed with dr who |
| 22:42.19 | mozrat | heh |
| 22:42.35 | angelchild | turns out distributed systems is actually as easy as i thought it was |
| 22:42.47 | z00dax | angelchild: plan9 |
| 22:42.49 | angelchild | which means I'll get another horrid undecipherable exam paper |
| 22:42.54 | angelchild | from outer space? |
| 22:43.00 | TimMagic | lol good one angelchild |
| 22:43.11 | angelchild | TimMagic: which bit? :) |
| 22:43.19 | z00dax | angelchild: its a time machine, that does distributed systems. |
| 22:43.25 | angelchild | oh right |
| 22:43.25 | TimMagic | the random hugging |
| 22:43.28 | angelchild | well |
| 22:43.30 | angelchild | I like hugs |
| 22:43.37 | angelchild | and Alan Turing certainly needed a hug |
| 22:43.40 | z00dax | time machine, cause its a way of doing all those things people did in the 60's - in a very very posh and 2000's manner. |
| 22:43.42 | angelchild | that's who i really want to go hug |
| 22:44.22 | TimMagic | it would just turn into groundhog day for me |
| 22:44.31 | TimMagic | id keep going back until it was a perfect day |
| 22:44.50 | angelchild | :) |
| 22:45.10 | angelchild | this song features the lyrics "am I suffocating right?" |
| 22:45.28 | angelchild | but the basslines in these are so cool >.< |
| 22:45.35 | angelchild | if only the people who wrote them weren't goths! |
| 22:46.11 | TimMagic | lol |
| 22:47.02 | morsing | g |
| 22:47.55 | mozrat | morsing! |
| 22:48.01 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 22:48.16 | morsing | :) |
| 22:48.36 | TimMagic | i just thought - yesterday was good |
| 22:48.42 | TimMagic | id keep doing that |
| 22:48.56 | morsing | I will |
| 22:49.05 | TimMagic | morsing: paramount + 1? |
| 22:49.21 | morsing | comedy |
| 22:49.25 | TimMagic | yeah |
| 22:52.42 | z00dax | TimMagic: take it easy, make sure you power down the vcr |
| 22:56.05 | mozrat | my dog snores A LOT |
| 22:56.33 | z00dax | picked up that habbit from the master ? |
| 22:58.12 | mozrat | nope |
| 22:58.16 | mozrat | not as far as I know |
| 22:58.27 | mozrat | it's only a little scrap of a thing as well |
| 22:58.33 | mozrat | just very very noisy |
| 22:59.10 | z00dax | chuck him/her out |
| 22:59.31 | mozrat | her - yes I should |
| 22:59.44 | z00dax | or get her a sound proof box |
| 23:01.05 | Erwin | Eesh, building a HA cluster is looking expensive, with the SAN and "fencing" |
| 23:01.12 | mozrat | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-django/?ca=dgr-btw01DjangoAndPython |
| 23:01.12 | z00dax | mozrat: django++ |
| 23:01.25 | z00dax | mozrat: if you fancy a bit of python coding - I have an interesting project |
| 23:01.38 | mozrat | z00dax: I have deja vu... go on |
| 23:01.46 | z00dax | mozrat: :) |
| 23:01.55 | rhowe | woo, 10 hours to go |
| 23:02.00 | z00dax | mozrat: adding multi-threaded downloads to python-urlgrabber |
| 23:02.12 | z00dax | rhowe: heya |
| 23:02.14 | mozrat | rhowe: until wedding bells? |
| 23:02.31 | rhowe | mozrat: *nod* |
| 23:02.33 | rhowe | heya KB |
| 23:02.45 | mozrat | rhowe: congratulations mate :D |
| 23:02.58 | rhowe | heh ta |
| 23:03.04 | rhowe | Today was a productive day |
| 23:03.06 | rhowe | We bought: |
| 23:03.07 | rhowe | * shoes |
| 23:03.09 | rhowe | * rings |
| 23:03.14 | mozrat | by a strange coincidence you are getting married 9 years and 364 days after me |
| 23:03.17 | rhowe | * flowers |
| 23:03.19 | rhowe | * a dress |
| 23:03.52 | z00dax | rhowe: congratulations |
| 23:04.00 | z00dax | looks like you have the stuff, now go get married |
| 23:04.17 | rhowe | z00dax: Not bad, considering we didn't go out until 3pm :P |
| 23:04.33 | rhowe | Also, I did home to Gatwich checkin in an hour on Saturday :D |
| 23:04.42 | z00dax | make sure you are on time |
| 23:04.51 | rhowe | z00dax: I'm hoping pdr can give us a lift |
| 23:04.53 | z00dax | your not in london ? |
| 23:05.08 | rhowe | z00dax: Oh yeah, I'm at home now. I was in Prague over the weekend - stag do |
| 23:05.14 | z00dax | ah right |
| 23:05.27 | rhowe | (mate's stag do, which I gatecrashed( |
| 23:05.37 | z00dax | sssshhhh |
| 23:08.55 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 23:09.18 | rhowe | heya Dan |
| 23:10.21 | mozrat | Does anyone know of a cheap vendor of printed banners and/or flags? |
| 23:11.35 | wethrin | banner | lpr |
| 23:11.36 | wethrin | HTH :) |
| 23:11.57 | z00dax | does tpc.int still exist ? |
| 23:12.24 | z00dax | why use your own printer s :) |
| 23:14.46 | mozrat | wethrin: I love you. Thakns |
| 23:15.16 | mozrat | Just hope this massive flag doesn't get snagged in my printer |
| 23:17.13 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com) |
| 23:17.37 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:21.14 | mozrat | {One foot in the grave}++ |
| 23:26.12 | z00dax | btw, in case someone is interested - the £15 USRobotics usb skype handsets that curry's / dixons are selling |
| 23:26.16 | z00dax | work fine with skype on linux |
| 23:26.33 | z00dax | but just as a sound device, the keypard and the custom ringer dont - which is sad |
| 23:33.55 | Leeds | http://www.orangeprize.co.uk/oanw/index.php4 |
| 23:34.30 | z00dax | hey, isnt that your family friend ? |
| 23:34.39 | z00dax | I have that book sitting in my to-read-soon stack |
| 23:35.05 | Leeds | just friend - don't think anyone else in my family has met her :-) |
| 23:35.46 | z00dax | humm looks like the search: box on www.amazon.co.uk is broken |
| 23:36.45 | z00dax | actually, looks like most of the website is broken |
| 23:37.24 | z00dax | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz time |
| 23:38.13 | Leeds | g'night |
| 23:39.34 | mozrat | nn z00dax |
| 23:43.22 | wethrin | nn all |
| 23:43.35 | mozrat | nn |
| 23:56.18 | mozrat | Night all - time for bed |
