irclog2html for #gllug on 20060605

`00:03.14`	`George`	`hey Leeds`
`00:03.41`	`George`	`god I hate NX :)`
`00:04.52`	`Leeds`	`morning :-)`
`00:05.04`	`Leeds`	`for some reason, when I got back from Macau yesterday, my wireless was fucked`
`00:06.53`	`George`	`is it a crime to be a wirelessophile?`
`00:07.22`	`Leeds`	`ha fucking ha`
`00:08.38`	`George`	`hrmm`
`00:08.41`	`George`	`language`
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`01:10.11`	`JAV`	`hello`
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`01:58.26`	`George`	`ibot change 195 GBP to EUR`
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`03:03.23`	`George`	`hi Leeds`
`03:17.42`	`Leeds`	`morning`
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`05:50.26`	`Leeds`	`hey shai`
`06:38.43`	`morsing`	`'morning`
`06:38.46`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`07:14.57`	`mozrat`	`morning`
`07:16.05`	`Leeds`	`ugh`
`07:16.23`	`TimMagic`	`morning all!`
`07:17.33`	`mozrat`	`So..... which county is Bletchley Park in? :)`
`07:17.58`	`mozrat`	`I've announced it in quite a few places with a geographical error :(`
`07:18.24`	`morsing`	`Herts?`
`07:18.41`	`Leeds`	`Herts`
`07:18.45`	`Leeds`	`I assume, anyway`
`07:18.53`	`mozrat`	`Nope`
`07:18.57`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Are you coming?`
`07:18.59`	`morsing`	`Norths?`
`07:19.07`	`morsing`	`Bucks?`
`07:19.07`	`mozrat`	`I announced it as Cambs but I feel better you both got it wrong also`
`07:19.12`	`mozrat`	`Bucks, yeah`
`07:19.15`	`Leeds`	`Yorks`
`07:19.19`	`Leeds`	`morsing: no, I am not coming`
`07:19.21`	`morsing`	`Hmm... My home county`
`07:19.24`	`TimMagic`	`wales?`
`07:19.28`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Why not?`
`07:19.58`	`TimMagic`	`ibot which county is bletchley park in?`
`07:20.00`	`ibot`	`TimMagic: okay`
`07:20.02`	`Leeds`	`there is a reasonable chance I'll be in the UK on that day... there's a very high chance that, UK or not, I'll be praying that day, since it's the Jewish New Year (well, one of them)`
`07:20.07`	`Leeds`	`ibot bletchley`
`07:20.18`	`Leeds`	`ibot which county`
`07:20.18`	`ibot`	`[which county] bletchley park in?`
`07:20.53`	`Leeds`	`ibot forget which county`
`07:20.54`	`ibot`	`i forgot which county, Leeds`
`07:21.22`	`Leeds`	`TimMagic: you taught ibot that the phrase "which county" means "bletchley park in"`
`07:22.26`	`TimMagic`	`oh? i thought i asked ibot...`
`07:22.39`	`Leeds`	`you used the form <phrase> is <phrase>`
`07:23.08`	`TimMagic`	`(annoyed grunt)`
`07:23.09`	`Leeds`	`ibot bletchley park`
`07:23.20`	`Leeds`	`ibot bletchley park is probably in Bucks`
`07:23.20`	`ibot`	`Leeds: okay`
`07:23.47`	`TimMagic`	`i thought i just asked it - i will shut up now :-s`
`07:24.19`	`Leeds`	`well, he's a bot... he's stupid`
`07:24.46`	`TimMagic`	`and so am i it would seem!`
`07:25.03`	`Leeds`	`very true`
`07:25.24`	`Leeds`	`ibot bow before TimMagic`
`07:27.02`	`Leeds`	`ibot bow`
`07:27.02`	`ibot`	`ACTION bows`
`07:27.15`	`Leeds`	`ibot screw you`
`07:27.16`	`ibot`	`no thanks`
`07:31.36`	`TimMagic`	`according to wikipedia bletchley park is in bucks`
`07:32.10`	`TimMagic`	`i know i am a bit slow off the mark but i am trying to regain small amounts of credibility`
`07:34.08`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: :)`
`07:34.17`	`mozrat`	`did you get your Debiantu sorted out yesterday?`
`07:34.42`	`TimMagic`	`debiantu?`
`07:35.03`	`mozrat`	`Ubuntu, sorry`
`07:35.29`	`TimMagic`	`oh nope!`
`07:35.49`	`TimMagic`	`just finished downloading the other two install cds`
`07:36.07`	`TimMagic`	`am about to burn them and try it over breakfast`
`07:36.10`	`mozrat`	`Cool`
`07:36.20`	`mozrat`	`Right - taking daughter to school. I am off sick today`
`07:36.34`	`mozrat`	`Back is killing me`
`07:36.39`	`TimMagic`	`sick or "sick"?`
`07:37.12`	`TimMagic`	`ah back - i feel for you!`
`07:44.31`	`Leeds`	`not in public, please`
`07:56.34`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`08:01.52`	`Leeds`	`hmm... on a job description, under what we expect: "You make tasteful webpages with CSS stylesheets. Bonus if you make round boxs with no gifs/jpegs."`
`08:02.13`	`George`	`ARGH`
`08:02.19`	`George`	`I NEED MORE SLEEP`
`08:02.38`	`Leeds`	`George: me too - I'm falling asleep at my desk, and I can't stop yawning`
`08:11.48`	`morsing`	`George: Shut up`
`08:19.00`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: sick without quotation marks`
`08:50.02`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: you have my sympathy`
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`08:50.19`	`stephanb2`	`ni`
`08:50.39`	`TimMagic`	`yo`
`08:52.37`	`iTron`	`rhowe: Greetings`
`08:53.02`	`iTron`	`rhowe: Silly sods in Southampton managed to have the firewall PC switched off and didn't know it.`
`08:53.17`	`George`	`eww soton`
`08:53.24`	`iTron`	`Yes. Eww.`
`08:53.42`	`iTron`	`But life is good. I'm listening to some great C64 music remixes.`
`08:54.22`	`George`	`I'm working on my summer of code foo`
`09:00.41`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: remind me... did you start your life sentence already?`
`09:01.24`	`iTron`	`Leeds: It's this Wednesday.`
`09:01.40`	`iTron`	`Oh. Oh dear. Oh deary deary me.`
`09:02.36`	`morsing`	`ibot OOI`
`09:02.40`	`morsing`	`iTron!`
`09:03.00`	`morsing`	`Leeds: OOI?`
`09:03.15`	`iTron`	`Just off the phone from our new phone system providers. The telephone engineer I was expecting to come into the new office premises and do something clever with the new ISDN lines to help BT begin porting our phone numbers from the old office phone lines to the new ones, doesn't have a fucking clue what needs to be done.`
`09:03.20`	`iTron`	`morsing: Greets`
`09:06.37`	`Leeds`	`morsing: out of interest`
`09:09.37`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: permission to borrow your amusing "what if 24 used windows?" picture to send to a 24 obsessed friend?`
`09:12.46`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: yes, they do still say IBM on them - that was part of the deal`
`09:51.36`	`z00dax`	`from his last day at this job, working full time`
`09:53.25`	`Leeds`	`you're moving on?`
`09:53.41`	`z00dax`	`yeah`
`09:54.31`	`Leeds`	`and up?`
`09:56.41`	`murb`	`moin`
`10:00.22`	`z00dax`	`Leeds: thats the plan`
`10:00.48`	`z00dax`	`i think, at the moment - its more of a sidegrade as I consolidate my new paperwork situation`
`10:10.01`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: sidegrade. nice word`
`10:21.04`	`Leeds`	`okay, it's 1820... I want to go home`
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`11:12.57`	`keithlard`	`saluton`
`11:17.46`	`wethrin`	`Arrr`
`11:24.34`	`morsing`	`beer`
`11:33.26`	`wethrin`	`Noooo!`
`11:33.34`	`wethrin`	`My liver can't take more punishment at the moment`
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`11:34.28`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: right`
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`11:34.34`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: wait till atleast tea time`
`11:34.41`	`wethrin`	`indeed`
`11:34.42`	`wethrin`	`hi floo and AC`
`11:34.52`	`z00dax`	`keithlard! floo! angelchild!`
`11:34.55`	`floo`	`hi wethrin, how's it going?`
`11:34.56`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: I had a weekend full of fairly heavy drinking`
`11:34.58`	`keithlard`	`:)`
`11:35.01`	`wethrin`	`floo: I'm mostly hating software`
`11:35.09`	`wethrin`	`As it's preventing me from working properly`
`11:35.14`	`floo`	`hee hee, can unserstand that`
`11:35.25`	`floo`	`bloody keyboard`
`11:35.39`	`floo`	`I feel really out of the gllug loop at mo`
`11:35.41`	`angelchild`	`hiya`
`11:35.48`	`floo`	`hi angel`
`11:36.11`	`floo`	`z00dax hello`
`11:37.01`	`floo`	`I'm organising the Lonix meetings at the moment. the next one is this thurday at the printworks in farringdon. anyone interested?`
`11:37.20`	`keithlard`	`aw i'm not here`
`11:37.25`	`z00dax`	`not me, cant do a thing till the 15th`
`11:37.28`	`floo`	`shame...`
`11:37.30`	`z00dax`	`s/15/14/`
`11:37.53`	`floo`	`Wethrin, Loninx?`
`11:39.11`	`mozrat`	`hey floo`
`11:39.21`	`wethrin`	`floo: When?`
`11:39.24`	`floo`	`hi Moz`
`11:39.25`	`wethrin`	`Probably not, though`
`11:39.37`	`floo`	`this coming thursday`
`11:39.41`	`wethrin`	`This Thursday, definitejly not, sorry`
`11:39.41`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: Please do - I found it somewhere else anyway`
`11:39.45`	`wethrin`	`Wrong end of the country`
`11:40.43`	`floo`	`http://www.lonix.org.uk/cgi-bin/Lonix?CODE=searchMeeting&CURRENT=YES`
`11:42.45`	`morsing`	`floo!`
`11:43.00`	`floo`	`morsing, hello hello!!`
`11:43.10`	`morsing`	`How do I ask Perl which modules it has? Come on, someone must have a simple answer`
`11:43.38`	`wethrin`	`How come Lonix meetings so often clash with London.pm meetings?`
`11:44.18`	`mozrat`	`very annoying`
`11:44.23`	`floo`	`how about, "Oi Perl! show us your modules"`
`11:44.24`	`morsing`	`What does this do?`
`11:44.25`	`morsing`	`perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::libnet'`
`11:44.47`	`wethrin`	`It runs 'install Bundle::libnet' using the CPAN Perl module`
`11:44.53`	`floo`	`Blame Tushar. I wanted them on wednesdays`
`11:44.55`	`morsing`	`floo: You wouldn't have thought this place was full of techies!`
`11:44.57`	`z00dax`	`morsing: I gave you the code for this a few days back, but you were too chicken to try it`
`11:45.04`	`floo`	`hee hee`
`11:45.17`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Clearly you've never had a proper job!`
`11:45.19`	`wethrin`	`floo: Well....when it's time for the GBBF, could you kindly request him to not have the meeting on the Thursday? :)`
`11:45.30`	`z00dax`	`morsing: but you're now installing CPAN ayway`
`11:45.42`	`z00dax`	`morsing: so i suppose you have clearly never had a job you knew anything about`
`11:46.10`	`floo`	`he's aware of the clash, but I'll tell him we spoke about this.`
`11:46.13`	`morsing`	`I'm not installing CPAN. I'm installing libnet bundle`
`11:46.58`	`morsing`	`So no-one here knows anything about Perl then...`
`11:47.08`	`z00dax`	`morsing: you surely dont :)`
`11:47.39`	`keithlard`	`i'll deny everything`
`11:48.07`	`floo`	`fraid not' i can just about manage 'apt-get install <pakagename>'`
`11:50.56`	`z00dax`	`morsing: anyway, if you are interested - an easy way to lise whats installed is to either use a non braindead distro`
`11:51.04`	`z00dax`	`or something like : perl -MCPAN -e 'print CPAN::Shell->r '`
`11:51.36`	`z00dax`	`which should give you a release version of every module it can find a release version for, and a list of the rest that it cant find a release version for`
`11:51.40`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Will that command alter any files?`
`11:51.46`	`z00dax`	`morsing: it should not no`
`11:51.57`	`z00dax`	`but the first time you run it - CPAN needs to ask you about a few questions`
`11:52.20`	`morsing`	`/export/home/admin/.cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm initialized.`
`11:52.22`	`morsing`	`!`
`11:52.25`	`z00dax`	`mostly about what mirror to use and where to store its temp cache`
`11:52.55`	`z00dax`	`why not add a temp low priviledge user to run such fluff ?`
`11:53.16`	`z00dax`	`'admin' sounds like a priviledged account`
`11:57.24`	`morsing`	`Please enter your CPAN site: []`
`11:57.25`	`morsing`	`!`
`11:57.45`	`morsing`	`It can't be right that I can't tell which modules are installed without doing all this stuff`
`11:57.48`	`z00dax`	`does it not give you a list to chooise from ?`
`11:57.59`	`z00dax`	`morsing: rpm -qa perl*`
`11:58.05`	`morsing`	`It tries a few and then gives up`
`11:58.21`	`z00dax`	`maybe you need firewall / proxy setup /`
`11:59.14`	`morsing`	`How do I put this... I work for a professional company with production systems, just like most other proper companies`
`11:59.30`	`z00dax`	`would this give you everything you need ; find /usr/lib[,64]/perl5/ -name .pm`
`12:00.02`	`z00dax`	`s/.pm/*.pm`
`12:00.05`	`morsing`	`find: cannot open /usr/lib[,64]/perl5/: No such file or directory`
`12:00.27`	`z00dax`	`human parsing required..... do you have perl in /usr/lib/perl5 or /usr/lib64/perl5 ?`
`12:00.34`	`morsing`	`No`
`12:01.00`	`morsing`	`bash-2.05$ find /usr -name perl5`
`12:01.00`	`morsing`	`/usr/perl5`
`12:01.00`	`morsing`	`/usr/apache/perl5`
`12:01.03`	`z00dax`	`ok, in which case, replace that path with <wherevever your perl is>`
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`12:04.32`	`morsing`	`floo :(`
`12:07.36`	`TimMagic`	`z00dax: loving your line in the stats - timmagic:what is the problem anyway`
`12:07.38`	`TimMagic`	`classic`
`12:13.55`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: is there some sort of relationship betwen you having contact lenses and successfully installing Ubuntu?`
`12:13.57`	`morsing`	`Are perl modules arch independant?`
`12:14.06`	`mozrat`	`were you previously trying to install it on the VCR or something?`
`12:14.43`	`morsing`	`Hello?`
`12:19.08`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Thank god you got that corrected in time. Can you imagine masses of people going to Cambs and overloading their infrastructure!`
`12:19.27`	`mozrat`	`morsing: I know`
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`12:21.35`	`morsing`	`ping z00dax`
`12:22.05`	`morsing`	`So if I've downloaded the module how do I then install it?`
`12:25.08`	`morsing`	`cb?`
`12:25.49`	`morsing`	`Mmm...`
`12:25.51`	`cbz`	`i see there's a lonix meet this thursday`
`12:26.01`	`morsing`	`Are you going?`
`12:26.16`	`cbz`	`If this other thing falls through yes.`
`12:26.31`	`cbz`	`But that would then be the first lonix meet i've been to in about two years :)`
`12:26.43`	`cbz`	`admittedly for a while their emails stopped coming.`
`12:26.56`	`morsing`	`ibot wake z00dax`
`12:27.51`	`morsing`	`ibot wake up!`
`12:27.52`	`ibot`	`morsing: I'm already awake! :)`
`12:27.55`	`George`	`ibot change 255 GBP to EUR`
`12:28.02`	`morsing`	`ibot wake z00dax`
`12:29.16`	`morsing`	`wethrin?`
`12:32.44`	`morsing`	`HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`12:32.54`	`cbz`	`Hello.`
`12:33.10`	`morsing`	`cbz: Are Perl modules architecture independant?`
`12:33.55`	`cbz`	`Most are, the odd one isn't.`
`12:34.19`	`morsing`	`And "make"ing them "Should just work"(TM)?`
`12:34.28`	`cbz`	`There are some that will rely on externally compilable bits that - portability efforts aside - may not compile under your chosen platform.`
`12:34.36`	`cbz`	`Yep - though normally i'd use CPAN`
`12:34.47`	`cbz`	`perl -MCPAN -e shell`
`12:34.48`	`morsing`	`If it doesn't compile, can I kick the computer?`
`12:35.00`	`cbz`	`Almost certainly.`
`12:35.04`	`morsing`	`cbz: Does CPAN require Internet access?`
`12:35.25`	`cbz`	`As far as I know, yes.`
`12:36.14`	`George`	`hrmm`
`12:36.18`	`George`	`I might get a new phone`
`12:36.35`	`morsing`	`Ok, make ran successfully`
`12:40.03`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Congratulate me`
`12:40.30`	`mozrat`	`ibot hug morsing`
`12:40.42`	`mozrat`	`George: because it is locked? Thats a bit mad`
`12:40.53`	`mozrat`	`can't dodgy high street shops unlock them?`
`12:41.14`	`morsing`	`George: Buy a key on the Internet`
`12:42.08`	`George`	`no`
`12:42.13`	`George`	`because I want a new phone`
`12:42.14`	`morsing`	`Twat`
`12:42.23`	`morsing`	`I ave a 3310 for sale`
`12:42.27`	`morsing`	`with charger`
`12:43.21`	`morsing`	`Interested?`
`12:46.27`	`hali`	`i presume that is not a Sun storege 3310 scsi array? :)`
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`12:50.43`	`morsing`	`stephanb2!`
`12:50.52`	`morsing`	`stephanb2: Got a haircut yet?`
`12:52.19`	`stephanb2`	`morsing: no i still got the fringe :-) why the question ?`
`12:53.06`	`stephanb2`	`are there new gllug members haircut guidelines ?`
`12:55.00`	`mozrat`	`I think we have a wide variety of haircuts in GLLUG`
`12:59.50`	`morsing`	`Ok. REad`
`12:59.53`	`morsing`	`skd`
`13:11.11`	`morsing`	`Woo`
`13:11.50`	`mozrat`	`Does anyone have Dean Wilson on MSN/Jabber/etc ?`
`13:41.48`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Congrats!`
`13:41.50`	`wethrin`	`What for?`
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`14:10.52`	`wethrin`	`go away`
`14:13.17`	`cbz`	`poo on the shoe.`
`14:23.02`	`George`	`how do you get latex not to assume whitespace?`
`14:24.37`	`wethrin`	`Um?`
`14:24.40`	`wethrin`	`How do you mean?`
`14:24.55`	`wethrin`	`It normally ignores whitespace, except in certain circumstances`
`14:25.13`	`George`	`never mind`
`14:25.36`	`wethrin`	`I won't. You're not expressing yourself clearly`
`14:30.23`	`George`	`go away`
`14:31.20`	`mozrat`	`:q`
`14:31.49`	`wethrin`	`IRC is not vi`
`14:32.04`	`George`	`http://www.gwright.org.uk/protocol.pdf`
`14:33.31`	`mozrat`	`thanks`
`14:33.42`	`mozrat`	`looks like I am resetting the IRC stats sooner than I thought`
`14:33.54`	`mozrat`	`I'm over my disk quota on my freeshell host`
`14:34.38`	`cbz`	`heh`
`14:35.43`	`George`	`DEATH`
`14:36.04`	`cbz`	`Do you drink orange juice all day or something george?`
`14:36.09`	`cbz`	`Or eat sweets perhaps?`
`14:38.09`	`mozrat`	`I think he plays heavy metal songs backwards all day`
`14:39.38`	`cbz`	`That is enough to make someone hyper?`
`14:40.12`	`mozrat`	`well he keeps screaming "DEATH" etc`
`14:51.44`	`mozrat`	`George: interesting`
`14:54.49`	`cbz`	`Gah, stinkyprogrammer is back.`
`14:58.05`	`morsing`	`Moo`
`14:59.01`	`z00dax`	`check it`
`15:06.04`	`mozrat`	`someone say something`
`15:06.35`	`mozrat`	`...`
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`15:07.54`	`mozrat`	`http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ << reset stats :(`
`15:13.32`	`wethrin`	`hm`
`15:19.14`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: could you op me please`
`15:19.25`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ`
`15:19.28`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by wethrin`
`15:19.34`	`mozrat`	`ta`
`15:19.37`	`wethrin`	`np`
`15:19.38`	`Cope`	`arab`
`15:19.52`	`wethrin`	`Cope?`
`15:20.04`	`Cope`	`Thta's me`
`15:20.09`	`wethrin`	`Issayou!`
`15:20.16`	`morsing`	`kg`
`15:21.17`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Fun :D`
`15:21.48`	`*** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:22.26`	`morsing`	`I want to be top of the list!`
`15:22.32`	`morsing`	`I want to beat George!`
`15:22.33`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:22.38`	`cbz`	`Hrmf`
`15:22.40`	`wethrin`	`George is talking!?`
`15:22.44`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o Cope] by ChanServ`
`15:22.50`	`cbz`	`hah`
`15:22.51`	`wethrin`	`Damn. And I wanted to turn up`
`15:23.22`	`*** topic/#gllug by Cope -> Morsing is better than George, but... Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:23.48`	`mozrat`	`Shutdup - George has something good to talk about.`
`15:24.01`	`Cope`	`very much so`
`15:24.36`	`mozrat`	`and we might have one more speaker but he hasn't confirmed yet`
`15:25.10`	`*** topic/#gllug by Cope -> Mozrat is better than George, but... Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:25.20`	`Cope`	`better?`
`15:25.41`	`mozrat`	`Much!`
`15:25.48`	`*** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat`
`15:26.10`	`keithlard`	`should it go in the calendar then?`
`15:26.32`	`mozrat`	`keithlard: the London geek calendar?`
`15:27.32`	`mozrat`	`Cope: Fix the topic!!`
`15:27.36`	`keithlard`	`on the website`
`15:27.39`	`George`	`wtf`
`15:27.47`	`*** topic/#gllug by Cope -> Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:27.50`	`Cope`	`sorry`
`15:27.51`	`Cope`	`:)`
`15:28.01`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`15:28.13`	`mozrat`	`keithlard: yes, I'm going to do that foo this evening`
`15:28.21`	`George`	`mozrat had to go through a lot of abuse to write up kNX properly`
`15:28.22`	`keithlard`	`ok`
`15:28.28`	`mozrat`	`I did`
`15:28.36`	`*** topic/#gllug by Cope -> Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (prick), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:28.42`	`Cope`	`sorry... no more abuse`
`15:28.55`	`*** topic/#gllug by Cope -> Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`15:29.28`	`George`	`GET OFF ME YOU ASSHOLE`
`15:32.00`	`wethrin`	`George isn't really being a good role model for KDE developers`
`15:32.07`	`wethrin`	`Or maybe they're all like that.....`
`15:34.05`	`skugg`	`wethrin: if you happened to walk past the KDE room at Fosdem you know why...`
`15:34.47`	`z00dax`	`it was mostly empty all the time`
`15:34.57`	`skugg`	`yeh gods, the putrid smell of stale body odour could take paint off the walls...`
`15:35.14`	`wethrin`	`skugg: True :)`
`15:35.18`	`z00dax`	`humm... maybe i was elsewhere then....`
`15:35.23`	`wethrin`	`skugg: But that may have just been RMS' presence`
`15:35.39`	`skugg`	`z00dax: this was last year or the year before. I wasn't there this year`
`15:36.09`	`skugg`	`wethrin: i'm pretty sure it wasn't. he's a gnome man, surely? :)`
`15:36.10`	`z00dax`	`phew`
`15:37.47`	`wethrin`	`skugg: Hmmm. Possibly.`
`15:37.56`	`wethrin`	`That's even worse`
`15:38.44`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: no correlation between the two points`
`15:38.58`	`TimMagic`	`they are just my two achievements for the day!`
`15:39.19`	`TimMagic`	`add on the fact i managed to get the pesky lenses out eventually`
`15:40.30`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: fair enough :-)`
`15:41.45`	`TimMagic`	`and to answer the earlier question yes, yes i was trying to install a new os on the VCR!`
`15:42.16`	`mozrat`	`You should know that Linux is a BetaMAX compatible kernel.. not VHS`
`15:52.53`	`skugg`	`wethrin: saturday about a week ago I ran into some guy that was so like you that I had to go and ask if it was you`
`15:53.08`	`skugg`	`s/was so like you/looked so like you/`
`15:53.18`	`wethrin`	`Really? That's....a bit worrying`
`15:53.30`	`Cope`	`argh! a wethrin clone!`
`15:53.55`	`skugg`	`yeah. he was marginally slimmer than you were when I saw you last though`
`15:54.03`	`Cope`	`not difficult`
`15:54.14`	`skugg`	`just for the record, he wasn't you. or so he said :)`
`15:55.39`	`wethrin`	`skugg: Last week, I was mostly around Durham still`
`15:56.04`	`skugg`	`this was a pub/rock club around Angel`
`15:56.15`	`mozrat`	`skugg: was he confused when you asked him?`
`15:56.27`	`skugg`	`yeah`
`16:05.09`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: that could explain my installation problems!`
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`16:50.17`	`TimMagic`	`i have no picture in my stats :-(`
`16:50.25`	`TimMagic`	`how would i get one on there?`
`16:51.04`	`z00dax`	`TimMagic: have your people call mozrat's peope`
`16:51.10`	`z00dax`	`s/peope/people/`
`16:52.15`	`TimMagic`	`my people will be in touch later!`
`17:03.48`	`TimMagic`	`hali: whereabouts in w2 do you live?`
`17:34.17`	`morsing`	`beer`
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`18:13.50`	`morsing`	`cakwe`
`18:14.02`	`hali`	`TimMagic: bayswater... but im looking to relocate soon`
`18:20.11`	`hali`	`unless someone knows a good geek flatshare where people don't bitch about having a rack in the livingroom :-)`
`18:52.42`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: send me a photo - dimensions 300x300 please`
`18:53.24`	`mozrat`	`whoa - load average of 800`
`18:53.29`	`mozrat`	`thats impressive`
`18:53.54`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`18:53.57`	`wethrin`	`How come?`
`18:54.50`	`mozrat`	`http://munin.sinodun.org.uk/home.sinodun.org.uk/bluebox.home.sinodun.org.uk.html#Processes`
`18:55.13`	`mozrat`	`JOhns post to the mailing list about his 15000 processes`
`18:55.59`	`wethrin`	`Oh, right`
`18:56.03`	`wethrin`	`:)`
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`19:27.32`	`z00dax`	`hali: i am looking for such a flatshare too`
`19:27.57`	`hali`	`lets get a massive 7 bedroom flat in wapping and create the coolest datacenter@home project :)`
`19:28.16`	`z00dax`	`I hate wapping :)`
`19:28.23`	`wethrin`	`But home datacentres rock`
`19:28.26`	`wethrin`	`How could you resist?`
`19:28.31`	`hali`	`wapping is nice..`
`19:28.39`	`hali`	`a bit quiet perhaps`
`19:29.01`	`z00dax`	`in the 5 years i've been in this country, i've met lots and lots of people`
`19:29.12`	`z00dax`	`only 3 of whom are people I actually dislike`
`19:29.26`	`z00dax`	`all 3 of them live in wapping`
`19:29.30`	`hali`	`oh, thats odd`
`19:29.35`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: Are they Gentoo users?`
`19:29.49`	`hali`	`in the 3 years i've been in this country, wapping is the only area that has the same standard as sweden`
`19:30.06`	`wethrin`	`It's cold and expensive beer?`
`19:30.06`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: one is a solaris admin, another teaches math at a local school the third is an accountant`
`19:30.18`	`z00dax`	`humm`
`19:30.25`	`wethrin`	`hmm`
`19:38.29`	`z00dax`	`i did have a really nice option in Greenwich - a 4 bed place, but was unable to find anyone to share with`
`19:38.43`	`z00dax`	`having not wont he lottery as yet, was not intending to move in alone`
`19:38.51`	`z00dax`	`s/he l/the l/`
`19:41.48`	`mozrat`	`hali: does wapping have 6 month winters?`
`19:42.39`	`hali`	`mozrat: yes... toxic waste from the 1960's under the soil create a weather vortex`
`19:43.36`	`hali`	`but when it comes to beer... the difference is not so big anymore... taxes go up here... while taxes go down in sweden... 10-15% price differnce perhaps`
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`20:58.21`	`andrew`	`hi there`
`20:58.35`	`andrew`	`I have been away, battling with unreliable wireless networks`
`20:58.49`	`andrew`	`Now found one that is free and works (at least at the moment)`
`21:04.05`	`mozrat`	`hey andrew`
`21:05.12`	`morsing`	`andrew!`
`21:07.45`	`andrew`	`Mozrat - you seem to be doing well at organising gllug meetings`
`21:14.25`	`mozrat`	`andrew: thanks :-)`
`21:14.50`	`mozrat`	`I've been lucky finding speakers lately - they are what makes it really`
`21:15.00`	`mozrat`	`not the bloke sending the announcements out`
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`21:24.17`	`morsing`	`Kitty!`
`21:24.32`	`Kitty`	`hi`
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`21:29.24`	`armijn`	`morning.`
`21:29.29`	`mozrat`	`hello`
`21:32.24`	`armijn`	`my faith in hardware companies has had a severe blow, once again`
`21:32.58`	`armijn`	`I contacted a few of them not too long ago saying "hello, your routers have a big gaping security hole in them", but either they're saying the product is EOL...or they don't respond at all`
`21:33.28`	`mozrat`	`oh dear`
`21:33.39`	`mozrat`	`when you say "a few of them" where was the exploit?`
`21:33.44`	`armijn`	`UPnP`
`21:33.50`	`mozrat`	`right`
`21:34.01`	`armijn`	`read: "remote code execution on the router"`
`21:34.07`	`armijn`	`:P`
`21:34.57`	`armijn`	`and: "turning routers into an onion router"`
`21:35.02`	`mozrat`	`oh dear`
`21:35.07`	`armijn`	`at least Linksys fixed their stuff...`
`21:35.14`	`mozrat`	`I'm surprised they weren't interested`
`21:35.16`	`armijn`	`well, some of it...`
`21:35.26`	`armijn`	`s/it/their stuff/`
`21:37.30`	`armijn`	`I was surprised too, at first...but once you know how that market actually works...`
`21:37.50`	`armijn`	`buy in bulk in Asia, slap on another sticker, try to grab as much marketshare as possible`
`21:39.21`	`mozrat`	`was Cisco on your list?`
`21:39.53`	`armijn`	`well, Linksys`
`21:40.01`	`hali`	`mozrat: Cisco responded "Oh dear, will you promise to keep it to yourself if we give you 10k?"`
`21:40.02`	`mozrat`	`Wow - BAA has been sold to an overseas bidder`
`21:40.17`	`mozrat`	`hali: :)`
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`21:40.51`	`armijn`	`it took me quite a long time to go through Linksys techsupport...and they still haven't sent me the present they promised about three months ago`
`21:41.36`	`armijn`	`ah well, I guess sending out one piece of hardware is quite tough if you only sell 1.5 million WRT54G/GS/GL/GX/G* routers per month...`
`21:41.51`	`mozrat`	`You haven't been tempted to get a blog with Google Ads and stick your findings on Digg.com? :)`
`21:41.53`	`hali`	`shit, they sell that many?`
`21:42.01`	`armijn`	`hali: yep`
`21:42.10`	`armijn`	`worldwide that is ;)`
`21:42.22`	`hali`	`i have a wag54gs .. needs a reboot a week when the software crashes`
`21:42.35`	`armijn`	`mozrat: I'm working on putting everything on a website...still need to fill it with more content`
`21:42.47`	`mozrat`	`armijn: let me know when it's available..`
`21:42.54`	`TimMagic`	`hali: i am your local law enforcement officer`
`21:43.54`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: did you see my remark ref: IRC stats photo?`
`21:44.09`	`armijn`	`mozrat: www.upnp-hacks.org -- still needs a lot of stuff on it, but there is already something on there`
`21:44.24`	`hali`	`TimMagic: cool... nice work on kicking out the bums from queensway :)`
`21:44.41`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: yeah i did!`
`21:44.44`	`TimMagic`	`mail it to you?`
`21:44.51`	`TimMagic`	`hali: thanks`
`21:44.54`	`mozrat`	`sure - simon.morris at cmtww.com`
`21:47.56`	`hali`	`TimMagic: i've been meaning to complain to the council about this guy with a ferrari parked outside my window.. he tends to show off his engine when he leaves at 3am in the morning... im sure that must be illegal :)`
`21:48.14`	`TimMagic`	`hali: i like moving them on coz they complain`
`21:48.40`	`TimMagic`	`yeah it would be very`
`21:49.07`	`TimMagic`	`get the reg plate and call email the details to me`
`21:49.31`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: are you a locla sheriff?`
`21:49.39`	`mozrat`	`s/locla/local/`
`21:49.53`	`TimMagic`	`im the deputy sheriff`
`21:50.47`	`mozrat`	`a policeman, old bill, rozzer?`
`21:51.47`	`TimMagic`	`piggy!`
`21:52.25`	`mozrat`	`I didn't say that one!!`
`21:53.28`	`TimMagic`	`i was walking down the road the other day and someone shouted "bacon" at me`
`21:53.48`	`TimMagic`	`so i asked for two rashers on white with ketchup :-)`
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`21:55.05`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: :)`
`21:55.09`	`mozrat`	`Hey Marios_`
`21:55.31`	`Marios_`	`hello !`
`21:55.42`	`TimMagic`	`yo marios_!`
`21:55.47`	`mozrat`	`Marios_: I just realised... you came all the way from the US of A and you haven't been to a GLLUG meeting yet`
`21:56.00`	`Marios_`	`it is a shame really`
`21:56.05`	`hali`	`hm, is it just me or is google analytics not so good as they say`
`21:56.13`	`Marios_`	`I never thought I would be that busy here`
`21:56.22`	`mozrat`	`Marios_: Come on the 24th if you are free`
`21:56.49`	`Marios_`	`basically I was spending much more time in the channel when I was in the States due to the time difference`
`21:57.49`	`mozrat`	`right`
`21:58.18`	`Marios_`	`how is everything here?`
`21:59.11`	`TimMagic`	`im fine - dunno about everyone else or if you care about me!`
`21:59.26`	`Marios_`	`hehehhe`
`21:59.53`	`mozrat`	`Marios_: all good thanks :)`
`22:01.23`	`Marios_`	`same old here`
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`22:04.52`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: your piccie is on both pages now`
`22:09.11`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: both?`
`22:09.59`	`mozrat`	`George: Do you know Fabian Franz?`
`22:10.04`	`George`	`yes`
`22:10.11`	`George`	`he's a good guy`
`22:10.15`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: http://gllug.org.uk/index.php?/archives/9-IRC-Faces.html`
`22:10.26`	`mozrat`	`TimMagic: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/`
`22:10.34`	`mozrat`	`He is speaking at UKUUG on FreeNX`
`22:10.40`	`mozrat`	`which you probably already know`
`22:10.50`	`George`	`nope, I don't`
`22:10.56`	`mozrat`	`He is`
`22:11.11`	`mozrat`	`(Free)NX - Remote Desktop Access, Present and Future - Fabian Franz`
`22:12.31`	`TimMagic`	`mozrat: cool - i had forgotten about the irc faces`
`22:13.53`	`hali`	`since im a sun zealot, i use sun ray desktop, anyone know how NX compares?`
`22:14.40`	`George`	`I can't make ukuug anyway`
`22:16.19`	`wethrin`	`Sun++`
`22:16.35`	`George`	`wethrin sucks`
`22:16.45`	`wethrin`	`shush`
`22:16.51`	`hali`	`just upgraded my test server to sunray server 4.0 the other day... it kicks some serious ass`
`22:17.16`	`hali`	`supports usb thumb drives on the client.. ipod connectivity`
`22:17.20`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: There appear to be a few LBWers who're interested in Bletchley`
`22:17.43`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: excellent`
`22:18.00`	`mozrat`	`could they register so we can knock the ticket price down to £8?`
`22:18.09`	`wethrin`	`I'm not entirely sure how many, yet`
`22:18.25`	`murb`	`mozrat: don't they do student discounts?`
`22:18.42`	`mozrat`	`murb: I believe so, i can check`
`22:19.00`	`mozrat`	`agk is sending out a lot of emails tonight :)`
`22:19.20`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: I shall be dragging between 1 and 5 people along`
`22:19.30`	`wethrin`	`@family may want to tag along too`
`22:20.19`	`mozrat`	`is your family a perl array or a IRC op?`
`22:20.25`	`wethrin`	`Maybe`
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`22:22.23`	`*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG - Next Event is Sat 24th June at 1300 - Dave Cross (ORM Mapping), George Wright (kNX), Huw Lynes (Grid Computing) - http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`22:45.47`	`z00dax`	`hali: nx does some things quite nice`
`22:46.06`	`z00dax`	`hali: sunray seems more citrix'ish targetted`
`22:46.33`	`hali`	`sunray used to require a sun ray appliance.. hardware only.. the latest release added the citrix/rdp functionallity`
`22:46.49`	`hali`	`or rather they integrated two products.. the sun ray server and the sun global desktop (tarantella)`
`22:46.51`	`z00dax`	`exactly`
`22:47.33`	`z00dax`	`and now all 4 people who used them - can have just 1 product that needs support`
`22:47.48`	`hali`	`:)`
`22:48.03`	`hali`	`sun actually admitted they are their own biggest customer on the sun ray side`
`22:48.14`	`Erwin`	`Sunray had some ridiculous bandwidth requirements, didn't it? I remember back in.. 1999 or so`
`22:48.21`	`hali`	`however it runs fine on linux as well... ubuntu support is just around the corner`
`22:48.25`	`TimMagic`	`is it tough to get a wireless adaptor working on linux?`
`22:48.36`	`hali`	`it works "perfectly" on a 512k ADSL line`
`22:48.50`	`z00dax`	`nx works fine on a 19.2k connect via gprs`
`22:48.59`	`z00dax`	`fine == usabl`
`22:49.06`	`z00dax`	`s/bl/ble/`
`22:49.10`	`hali`	`i'l htb some day and try 19.2 :)`
`22:49.43`	`hali`	`remember citrix using "works on a 9600 GSM connection" as a sales argument back in the day`
`23:04.19`	`TimMagic`	`my linux laptop has a massive 4 gig hard drive!`
`23:04.42`	`TimMagic`	`and my dads first amstrad had a giant 50 meg`
`23:05.32`	`TimMagic`	`oh how times have changed in the computer world!`
`23:08.42`	`hali`	`indeed`
`23:09.12`	`George`	`hrm`
`23:09.15`	`George`	`50MB`
`23:09.16`	`George`	`hah`
`23:09.48`	`George`	`/dev/evms/fluorine 1.1T 974G 145G 88% /mnt/fluorine`
`23:09.54`	`TimMagic`	`well it was about 15 years ago...`
`23:10.07`	`TimMagic`	`good old moore's law`
`23:10.09`	`TimMagic`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law`
`23:10.13`	`George`	`ibot change 500 USD to GBP`
`23:10.25`	`George`	`ibot change 1 GBP to USD`
`23:10.35`	`George`	`meh, 1.87 :'(`
`23:12.12`	`TimMagic`	`whats with the currency conversions?`
`23:12.25`	`George`	`TimMagic: payment from Google`
`23:12.34`	`TimMagic`	`oh yeah`
`23:12.53`	`hali`	`gllug is a mentoring org?`
`23:13.02`	`George`	`no`
`23:13.02`	`TimMagic`	`those pesky googlers - giving you 270 quid for soing somehting u enjoy...`
`23:13.19`	`George`	`ibot change 2000 USD to GBP`
`23:13.24`	`TimMagic`	`s/soing/doing`
`23:13.41`	`TimMagic`	`s/somehting/something`
`23:14.00`	`TimMagic`	`s/soing/doing/`
`23:14.04`	`TimMagic`	`s/somehting/something/`
`23:32.45`	`TimMagic`	`bye overybody`
`23:33.05`	`TimMagic`	`s/overybody/everybody/`
`23:33.16`	`TimMagic`	`im off to bed!`
`23:34.55`	`George`	`that'll piss off the GNOME people :D`
`23:44.17`	`*** join/#gllug rhowe (i=rhowe@87.127.14.179)`
`23:49.02`	`George`	`death to rhowe`
`23:49.05`	`George`	`go to sleep`
`23:49.07`	`George`	`and buy me a burger`

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