| 00:00.08 | JAV | hi |
| 00:40.38 | rhowe | evenin' |
| 00:42.02 | JAV | bedtime! night |
| 00:42.02 | JAV | :D |
| 00:43.09 | rhowe | heh indeed |
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| 06:21.50 | Leeds | the warning now officially says "if you're on a small boat, get out of the water and secure it, well, *now*" |
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| 07:30.37 | AndrewBlack | Bit quiet here today ? |
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| 08:27.22 | Leeds | sssh |
| 08:38.43 | cbz | btw |
| 08:38.57 | cbz | For anyone who knows Oxford Circus, megaphone man has been given an ASBO |
| 08:39.03 | cbz | banned from using his megaphon |
| 08:39.09 | Leeds | boo |
| 08:43.46 | iTron | We'll have no criticism from you, Citizen! |
| 08:44.10 | iTron | Morning. |
| 08:44.33 | Leeds | I may be a citizen, but I'm a resident of the glorious people's republic of China! |
| 08:45.19 | iTron | Has anyone seen V For Vendetta yet? |
| 08:46.08 | iTron | *silence* |
| 08:46.28 | Leeds | pressure is falling towards 1 bar |
| 08:47.18 | iTron | Leeds: Ah yes, that typhoon's been loitering around just short of landfall for the last 12 or so hours, hasn't it. |
| 08:47.42 | iTron | Leeds: It'll start wearing it's hoodie soon, then come in for the attack. |
| 08:48.05 | Leeds | UCL are showing a greater than 80% chance of at least tropical storm level winds over HK in the next few days |
| 08:48.47 | Leeds | it's not so much loitering short of landfall as hanging out in the sea , threatening all the towns on the coast to see who offers least protection money |
| 08:49.46 | iTron | Pedant. :P With the size of the bloody thing, it's more or less just off landfall. ;) |
| 08:51.28 | Leeds | it's not raining here yet, but we are relatively far north... it's raining on the southern islands of HK right now |
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| 09:13.34 | Leeds | so, is allofmp3.com dead? |
| 09:23.07 | Erwin | Uh oh. "closed for maintenance" |
| 09:23.21 | Erwin | Well, I heard something about Russia signing some copyright deal to appease US.. |
| 09:23.24 | Leeds | and has been for a couple of days now |
| 09:24.06 | Erwin | Russian President Vladimir Putin proclaims, "We must defend copyright inside the country. That is our obligation to our foreign partners", |
| 09:24.13 | Leeds | also, possibly not as a coincidence, it was reported over the weekend as the second source for music downloads in the UK, after iTunes |
| 09:25.04 | Erwin | This site claims it really is maintenance (for several days?) http://slyck.com/news.php?story=1187 |
| 09:27.01 | Leeds | hope so |
| 09:31.33 | Leeds | typhoon is 460km away |
| 09:31.39 | SlammerXP | someone care to answer a, *shock*, kernel compilation question? |
| 09:31.58 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Someone's not here right now. Care to call back later? |
| 09:32.00 | Leeds | SlammerXP: try asking it... |
| 09:32.25 | SlammerXP | i'm making a xen-for-dummies howto which bypasses the normal xen install routines |
| 09:32.43 | SlammerXP | for those who have a perfectly fine kernel already, and just want xen, not xen's kernels |
| 09:33.05 | SlammerXP | since applying the xen patches, 'make bzImage' has stopped working. |
| 09:33.20 | SlammerXP | i can compile the kernel, but grub won't boot it wit an unrecognised format error |
| 09:33.38 | SlammerXP | "file" ran on the new kernel image differs to that run on the real kernel |
| 09:33.49 | SlammerXP | I'm wondering how to convery the new kernel image into something bootable |
| 09:34.14 | SlammerXP | myth:/usr/src/linux# file vmlinuz |
| 09:34.14 | SlammerXP | vmlinuz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue May 16 11:30:38 2006, max compression |
| 09:34.14 | SlammerXP | myth:/usr/src/linux# file /boot/linux-2.6.15 |
| 09:34.14 | SlammerXP | /boot/linux-2.6.15: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x302, swap_dev 0x1, Normal VGA |
| 09:34.17 | SlammerXP | like so. |
| 09:34.39 | iTron | *wince* |
| 09:35.12 | rhowe | SlammerXP: bzImage is deprecated, isn't it? |
| 09:35.28 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Aren't you just supposed to do "make" now? |
| 09:35.31 | SlammerXP | well, it worked for the last kernel I built. i..e 2.6.15 |
| 09:36.18 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Also, are you sure vmlinuz is what you want? Shouldn't it be arch/<$arch>/boot/bzImage |
| 09:36.20 | SlammerXP | just "make" gives a vmlinuz that grub doesn't recognise. |
| 09:36.38 | SlammerXP | rhowe: there is no such file created. |
| 09:37.01 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Try just "make" |
| 09:37.02 | Leeds | SlammerXP: is it actually failing, in the sense of giving an error and crapping out, or is it just not bothering to build the image? |
| 09:37.10 | SlammerXP | Leeds: the latter |
| 09:37.28 | SlammerXP | rhowe: as I said, I get a vmlinuz that grub won;t boot. |
| 09:37.33 | Leeds | what are the last couple of lines of output? |
| 09:37.46 | SlammerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.46 | SlammerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.46 | SlammerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.46 | SlammerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.55 | Leeds | I assume you have no modules? |
| 09:38.01 | SlammerXP | i have modules |
| 09:38.23 | Leeds | do you actually have a file called vmlinuz or is it vmlinux? |
| 09:38.53 | SlammerXP | i have three: vmlinux vmlinux-stripped and vmlinuz |
| 09:39.22 | Leeds | wait, is this meant to be an i386 kernel or a xen-on-i386 kernel? |
| 09:39.48 | SlammerXP | this will be the host kernel |
| 09:40.11 | SlammerXP | CONFIG_XEN_PRIVILEGED_GUEST=y |
| 09:40.47 | Leeds | so it's meant to be booted on top of the xen hypervisor? |
| 09:41.18 | SlammerXP | I wonder if I have this all wrong. |
| 09:41.47 | SlammerXP | after my post yesterday, i decided to refresh my xen knowledge |
| 09:42.01 | Leeds | I don't know all that much about xen... but the way I understand it is you boot the hypervisor on the metal, from the BIOS, etc... then you run one (or more?) dom0 OSs, with zero or more domU OSs on top of that? |
| 09:42.08 | SlammerXP | xen 3.0 has appeared since I tried it last, and I didn't build it all from sourcer last time |
| 09:42.19 | Leeds | just the one dom0 OS, I suppose |
| 09:42.50 | Leeds | it seems my ex-colleague who is porting Solaris to Xen isn't online... |
| 09:47.11 | SlammerXP | i think I shall stop working on the problem for a while |
| 09:49.08 | rhowe | SlammerXP: I've never seen a 'vmlinuz' produced by a kernel build for a fair while |
| 09:49.17 | rhowe | SlammerXP: What architecture? i386? |
| 09:49.22 | SlammerXP | allegedly |
| 09:49.41 | rhowe | SlammerXP: And you have no arch/i386/boot/bzImage file, after running "make"? |
| 09:49.43 | SlammerXP | though I'm starting to wonder if it's not really i386-xen |
| 09:49.49 | SlammerXP | rhowe: correct. |
| 09:50.02 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Ah, if you're building dom0 or domU, it probably is i386-xen |
| 09:50.17 | rhowe | SlammerXP: find -type f -name 'bzImage' arch :) |
| 09:50.52 | rhowe | (if there is such an architecture, and if it doesn't piggy-back on the i386 arch) |
| 09:51.04 | SlammerXP | rhowe: nothing. |
| 09:51.14 | rhowe | SlammerXP: Are you sure the build completed without error? |
| 09:51.25 | SlammerXP | rhowe: yep. a make comes back clean |
| 09:51.40 | rhowe | SlammerXP: odd |
| 09:51.51 | SlammerXP | well, i'm doing al kinds of not recommended things |
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| 09:54.43 | rhowe | Is this wise? |
| 09:54.52 | SlammerXP | of course not :) |
| 10:20.58 | iTron | Leeds: You are correct : You boot the hypervisor on the bare metal, then Domain0 is booted, and from there, any number of DomainU virtual machines. Note that you can boot a Domain-0 kernel for use as a Domain-U virtual machine, also. |
| 10:21.49 | iTron | If I remember correctly, you needed to specify ARCH=xen whenever you performed a make <anything> . |
| 10:22.09 | iTron | I think this has changed in the newer, development versions. |
| 10:57.11 | Leeds | bah, it got downgraded to category 3 again |
| 11:05.26 | Leeds | http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/jtwc/satshots/wp0206sams.jpg |
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| 12:23.25 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 12:24.55 | JAV | Leeds: a windy day? :D |
| 12:28.27 | Leeds | not particularly noticably - but it's a bit wet |
| 12:38.08 | keithlard | hola chicos |
| 12:39.54 | JAV | hello keithlard |
| 12:40.29 | keithlard | que hay |
| 12:41.47 | JAV | pues nada, aquí andamos :) |
| 12:47.38 | keithlard | hmm no puedo ver las letras acentadas de nuevo :( |
| 12:49.37 | JAV | you'll have to use ISO-8859-15 fonts |
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| 13:02.06 | keithlard | i do not actually know how to set the fonts in gaim |
| 13:03.07 | stephanb2 | yeah thats a good question |
| 13:03.29 | stephanb2 | my guess is that gaim takes the fonts defined for gnome |
| 13:04.03 | keithlard | these fonts work fine with unicode web pages ekcetera though |
| 13:06.20 | keithlard | no comprendo todo sobre fuentes ekcetera |
| 13:06.26 | stephanb2 | keithlard: do u need to type in gaim using a non-roman alphabet ? |
| 13:07.15 | keithlard | i could not see some of jav's spanish letters |
| 13:08.09 | stephanb2 | hmm, and you haven't selected "exotic" fonts (i.e. non-unicode) for your gnome desktop? |
| 13:08.56 | keithlard | no, unicode characters work fine, how if i type this? áéÃóú |
| 13:13.10 | stephanb2 | it shows up fine here = with accents |
| 13:13.23 | keithlard | hmm |
| 13:15.09 | stephanb2 | bbl |
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| 13:20.44 | rhowe | Hm, a Greek guy from Undernet #linux is in town this weekend |
| 13:21.00 | rhowe | Saturday, Sunday or Monday |
| 13:21.27 | murb | i propose a piss up this evening in freising near flughafen munchen |
| 13:22.05 | rhowe | A good proposal, but not without practical difficulties |
| 13:22.41 | SlammerXP | i propose a beer evening in Onkel Oskar's. 11 Kongensgata, Steinkjer |
| 13:23.16 | z00dax | SlammerXP: how'se the lemonade there ? |
| 13:23.27 | keithlard | i suggest finchley as it is handy for me :) |
| 13:23.28 | SlammerXP | never tried it. |
| 13:24.46 | Leeds | you're all welcome to join me for drinks in soho |
| 13:26.16 | rhowe | Leeds: Wrong soho |
| 13:26.49 | Leeds | how is it wrong? |
| 13:27.12 | rhowe | It's not in London |
| 13:27.24 | Leeds | neither am I, so it works for me... |
| 13:27.32 | Leeds | hmm... MacBook anyone? |
| 13:32.35 | Leeds | http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24518 |
| 13:35.41 | skugg | hmm.. probably, in time. |
| 13:36.12 | rhowe | http://www.sickipedia.org/ (fairly-SFW although if you have content filters, it might set the alarm bells ringing) |
| 14:08.31 | Leeds | not particularly windy, just starting to rain |
| 14:12.35 | keithlard | ooh, typhoon! |
| 14:29.23 | Leeds | yup |
| 14:36.19 | keithlard | excitemint! |
| 14:38.12 | Leeds | yup :-) |
| 14:38.43 | JAV | clothes will dry fast :P |
| 14:48.41 | Leeds | in the rain? |
| 15:35.14 | rhowe | uh... |
| 15:35.25 | rhowe | OK, I moderate the bacula-users and bacula-devel mailing lists |
| 15:35.42 | rhowe | I've been getting a lot of bounces lately from someone's email filtering software, called "Interscan MSS" |
| 15:35.46 | keithlard | oh aye |
| 15:35.57 | rhowe | As far as I can tell, it blocks any email containing the text "Hi" and "hello" |
| 15:36.03 | rhowe | -_- |
| 15:36.22 | keithlard | a bit like AOL blocking any messages containing DearAOL.com |
| 15:36.38 | rhowe | And, of course, the bounce messages are all in Spanish |
| 15:36.57 | rhowe | uh... |
| 15:37.00 | keithlard | ah well, no hay problema :) |
| 15:37.07 | rhowe | That's handy.. it doesn't actually tell me who the message was destined for |
| 15:38.36 | rhowe | f$¢ĸ|ŋg mail servers!! |
| 15:39.18 | keithlard | :) |
| 15:39.26 | cbz | > |
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| 16:00.26 | rhowe | ibot change 10 cad to gbp |
| 16:00.40 | rhowe | ibot change 35 cad to gbp |
| 16:01.01 | rhowe | ibot change 45 cad to gbp |
| 16:03.06 | stephanb2 | yo |
| 16:03.46 | stephanb2 | i am new to ethereal. does it often happen that ethereal doesn't always pick the protocol for certain packets |
| 16:03.57 | stephanb2 | and you have to nudge him in the right direction? |
| 16:04.49 | rhowe | stephanb2: Hm.. not sure.. I think it usually figured things out when I used it |
| 16:05.00 | rhowe | stephanb2: I'm only an occasional ethereal user, though |
| 16:05.17 | stephanb2 | rhowe: hmm, sometimes it gets everything straight |
| 16:05.39 | stephanb2 | rhowe: most often i have to point to h.245 and rtp manually |
| 16:06.50 | keithlard | you know you can do that currency conversion with google now |
| 16:08.00 | keithlard | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=10+canadian+dollars+in+pounds |
| 16:10.28 | keithlard | it is a wizzo trick if you do not know it |
| 16:10.59 | stephanb2 | keithlard: when will i be able to use lisp in google ? |
| 16:12.12 | keithlard | there's no lisp api? :-D |
| 16:12.49 | keithlard | there is definitely a SOAP implementation for common lisp |
| 16:21.55 | keithlard | i'm melting!! |
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| 16:34.23 | keithlard | do not run! we are your friends! |
| 16:40.08 | keithlard | :) |
| 16:40.47 | rhowe | * You are being eaten by a grue |
| 16:41.41 | keithlard | Overall, there is a smell of fried onions |
| 16:44.50 | keithlard | The lamb samosa hits! |
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| 17:14.01 | SlammerXP | it's basically "Hi. I want to filter my mail, but I don't want to pay for the service, please tell me how to do it. For free." |
| 17:26.27 | keithlard | for a pound i'll tell him to google for spamassassin |
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| 18:52.13 | shai | what's LUG anyways..? |
| 18:52.18 | shai | :) |
| 18:52.37 | eeyore | thunderbird |
| 18:52.44 | shai | argh... you don't open your gmail for 1 day and you get 71 msgs ... bah |
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| 20:50.35 | skugg | but then I'm a miserable bastard. |
| 20:54.25 | eeyore | i burnt my mouth on pizza |
| 20:56.11 | murb | skugg: /ignore is hmm useful. |
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| 21:41.27 | rhowe | BBC1! |
| 21:41.35 | rhowe | 50 years of Eurovision |
| 21:42.51 | JAV | this year Finland will win :) |
| 21:53.01 | iTron | rhowe: Have I ever called you "weird"? ;) |
| 21:54.20 | iTron | It would be nasty if the thing got bricked. |
| 21:54.31 | rhowe | iTron: Eurovision is the best thing on TV |
| 21:54.57 | iTron | rhowe: Incorrect. Doctor Who is far superior to Eurovision. |
| 21:55.22 | rhowe | I think Wogan would disagree :) |
| 21:55.32 | iTron | Yes but he's a tit. |
| 21:56.29 | eeyore | oi. he's my hero |
| 21:56.42 | rhowe | o/~ "Oh your breasts are like swallows in nesting" |
| 21:57.34 | eeyore | did he really say that? |
| 21:57.55 | JAV | is eurovision happening now? |
| 21:58.02 | rhowe | eeyore: No, it was in a song |
| 21:58.06 | eeyore | ok |
| 21:58.08 | rhowe | JAV: Nah, it's this Saturday |
| 21:58.20 | rhowe | JAV: BBC1 has a program 'celebrating' 50 years of Eurovision on at the moment |
| 21:58.21 | eeyore | i was going to say he's going down in my estimations :) |
| 22:03.32 | rhowe | "Suprisingly, Germany have never won this contest" |
| 22:05.38 | iTron | Righty. Good. set top box upgraded fine. |
| 22:06.02 | iTron | Now to record Ultraman from NTSC vhs to DVD. :) |
| 22:58.27 | eeyore | oh dear i'm ranting on the mailing list |
| 23:01.36 | eeyore | for no particular reason |
| 23:01.36 | eeyore | probably time for bed |
| 23:01.36 | rhowe | probably time to launch mutt :) |
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| 23:53.09 | z00dax | morning Leeds |
| 23:54.16 | rhowe | mogguh |
| 23:54.27 | rhowe | hm, that should be "jo san!" |
| 23:58.25 | z00dax | morrh |
| 23:58.40 | z00dax | rhowe: morning |
| 23:58.44 | Leeds | indeed... |
| 23:59.46 | rhowe | z00dax: When do you start? |
| 23:59.56 | Leeds | typhoonwatch: signal 3 was hoisted about 45 minutes ago... it's pretty windy out, but not raining... looks like we might not get to signal 8 (the go-home signal) since it's turned east and will miss us by, it seems, at least 100 miles |
