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00:07.49*** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin)
00:13.39wethrin~change 300 USD to GBP
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05:03.01shaimorning...
05:03.23shaiLeeds, hi
05:13.41*** join/#gllug shai (n=Shai@l192-117-111-15.broadband.actcom.net.il)
05:40.51Leedsafternoon shai
05:41.00SlammerXPmorning
05:59.56mozratMorning
06:16.10Copeugh
06:20.25AndrewBlackhi there
06:42.47Copehello AndrewBlack
06:43.29morsingSalut les gars
06:44.40mozratmorsing!
06:45.37morsingmozrat!
06:50.20morsing~seen zachery
06:50.35iboti haven't seen 'zachery', morsing
06:51.07SlammerXPme either
06:51.59morsing~seen zachary
06:52.03ibotzachary <n=zachary@ip68-228-134-15.hr.hr.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 66d 6h 45m 19s ago, saying: '1 bourbon, 1 scotch, 1 beer'.
06:54.19LeedsSlammerXP: are you a fan of morsing, then?
06:54.43morsingNot as much as you, Leeds, I think!
06:55.06Leeds?
06:55.27LeedsI don't think I've ever morsed in my life!
06:56.06SlammerXPi used to morse
06:56.17SlammerXPbeen years since I had my radio operator's licence though
07:01.59morsingMoo
07:04.50*** join/#gllug shaibn (n=shaibn@pptp-il.jungo.com)
07:04.52shaibnhi :)
07:05.11TarragonHi shaibn
07:08.23Leedshi shaibn and Tarragon
07:08.43shaibnhey Leeds
07:08.55TarragonHi Leeds How was lunch?
07:09.06shaibni need your help with something ... "may i approch the bench, please?"
07:09.45LeedsTarragon: not bad... slightly confused by boss/cousin appearing back in the office while I was out getting it
07:09.48Leedsshaibn: never ask to ask
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07:19.01morsingmouse!
07:23.06mousemorning
07:23.26mouseLeeds you about
07:24.26mousequiet in here today
07:24.56SlammerXPwe are all busy doing l33t 0p3ns0rc3 things
07:24.57morsingLeeds is here but ignoring us
07:25.16Copei was helping william get dressed
07:26.18Leedsworking
07:27.27mousethe opensource warriors are in the house, I feel honoured
07:38.48Leedsit is sort of ridiculous that my Sun-supplied access to Safari is still live ;-)
07:40.31mouseYou mean Sun didn't update there employee records, there's a shocker
07:48.01LeedsI left over a year ago...
07:50.40mouseshame they didn't forget to keep paying you
07:51.12Leedsyeah...
07:51.33LeedsI use Safari (almost) every day... I should really just buy the 3 or 4 books I use on there
07:52.08mouseor spend the next three years downloading the html and then compiling your own ebook
07:52.46Leedsor just spend a few minutes in a naughty part of the internet and download a nice clean copy
07:53.13mousewhat you mean, the internet has some naughty parts, and I thought it was all good clean fun
07:53.26Leedsno!
07:53.34mouseoh dear,
07:53.51mouseI thought the bra talk was risque for the internet
07:53.53Leedsthere are web sights about Islam, abortion, socialism and other evil un-American subjects!
07:54.13mousehow is that possible, the internet belongs to america
07:54.31mouseit is part owned by george and bill
07:54.33Leedstry telling China that...
07:54.46mousethats bush and gates
07:54.55Leedswrong order
07:55.01mousehehe
07:55.32Leedsreportlab++
07:55.56mouseyou had much experience of linux on laptops
07:56.13Leeds68 lines of python - with blanks for readability - and I've got a script which generates a pdf from the database and sends it back from the cgi
07:56.21Leedswell, I'm on a Thinkpad right now :-)
07:56.45mouseso now I know where to come when I get stuck finishing my install
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07:57.05Leedsthere wasn't really much to it
07:57.47mouseI have been putting debian on an acer ferrari 4005, its all ndiswrappersa and kernel reconfigs
07:57.57Leedsugh, debian :-)
07:58.16Leedsdunno about specific versions, but one of the ferrari laptops was the standard Solaris laptop...
07:58.18mouseI know, its all slackware for you uber techies
07:58.32Leedscertainly is :-)
07:58.53mouseI need something thats gonna do the user friendly bit for my wife so needed to have all the bells and whistles that bill gives us
07:59.05Leedsanyway, the point about the thinkpad is that it's centrino... much as I like AMD chips, Intel do put together a nice Linux-supported portable platform
07:59.39SlammerXPerrm, centrino is only supported due to a mass reverse engineering project after intel refused to release meaningful documentation
07:59.41mousethe acer has the AMD64 turon, so I went for a 64 bit install, not that there is much benefit to that at the mo
08:00.06SlammerXPintel have done _fuck all_ to help make centrino work with linux
08:00.27LeedsI didn't say they supported it - I said Linux supported it
08:00.52mousethey aren't really that different to most of the proprietary hardware manufacturers, I have been having a nightmare with the ATI chipset on the acer
08:00.58SlammerXP"Intel do put together a nice Linux-supported portable platform"   should be "Intel put together a package, which other people then made work with Linux"
08:01.52SlammerXPlynda's next laptop will be turion based.
08:01.58mouseI had to use three different live distros to find out which drivers worked best etc etc,
08:02.06Leedschipset or GPU?
08:02.10mouseI can recommend the acer, its a nice piece of kit
08:02.22SlammerXPmouse: i have my eye on a 4000 series
08:02.25mouseGPU, SOUND, MODEM
08:02.34Leedsokay, modem I ignore
08:02.46mouseSlammer, its def worth the money, lot of puter for little bucks
08:03.12SlammerXPhttp://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=3Z05&CategorySelectedId=11105&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11105,43570000,367590000
08:03.15SlammerXPthat one, specifically.
08:03.19mouseI need the modem, cause my employer is stuck in the eighties, no VPN for outside support just 56k dial up
08:03.38stephanb2ive had a good experience with A64 + nForce4 + 6150. don't know if there is a similar offer in laptop
08:04.23mouseSlammer what distro do you plan to install
08:04.33SlammerXPmouse debian, of course.
08:04.42stephanb2mouse: i wonder if a modem rack doesn't cost more to your employer than using vpn
08:05.27mousethough it hurts to say it, ubuntu pretty much loads most stuff out of the box, but you do need to download and compile the 2.6.16 kernel to deal with the acpi problems
08:06.17stephanb2oh and hello everybody !
08:06.19mousestephan there is no rack,
08:06.29SlammerXPdebian won the distro war,  we're just waiting for the rest of you to catch up
08:06.49stephanb2mouse: yes i thought so. im just trying 2 wind u up :-)
08:07.36mousedebian is still the outsider in the enterpirse market, businesses just love the RH bandwagon
08:08.53mousebrb
08:09.34Leedsnow there's an interesting supermarket promotion: buy mineral water, get free red wine
08:10.26Leedshttp://www.wellcomehk.com/delivers/images/TRPopUp.jpg
08:11.13SlammerXPthe mailing list archive has reverse proxy problems
08:17.07morsingoo
08:20.05mouseis that $8.9 for 18 bottles, thats a cheap way to buy wine, just throw the water away, or sell it to thames water to help with the hosepipe ban
08:21.08morsingStupid hose pipe ban
08:21.11morsingLeeds?
08:21.21morsingWho owns Thames Water?
08:21.54Leedsmouse: remember that it's HK$ - $8.9 is about 60p
08:22.09Leedsmorsing: the Germans, isn't it?
08:22.10stephanb2morsing: rwe group
08:22.12mouseyeah is that per bottle or for 18 bottles
08:22.34morsingSo it's not government owned?
08:22.42Leedsuh, that's going to be per bottle :-)
08:22.46mousenot that it matters I could sell the water for over a quid in london
08:22.55stephanb2vitch soundz like a djermann kompany
08:23.06mouseon a hot day I could take it on the underground and sell it for £10 per bottle
08:23.14Leedsoh, and it only applies if you get the water delivered, by the looks of things
08:23.29mouseYeah I don't mind them delivering it
08:23.33Leedsyeah, looks like RWE is German
08:23.40Leedsmouse: you may be outside their catchment area
08:24.27stephanb2so i live in london, my water supply comes from a german company, and my electricity from a french owned company
08:24.34mouseshould be alright I always buy stuff from hong kong on ebay, 7" in car tv £10 delivery £79
08:25.02morsingCan someone explain to me how a private company can issue fines?
08:25.17SlammerXPmorsing: elaborate
08:25.33mousegive the government backhanders and you can pretty much do what you like,
08:25.42SlammerXPoh the hosepipe thingy
08:25.45mouseengland land of the free
08:25.47morsingWell, they apparently issue fines to people using hose pipes
08:25.55SlammerXPi think water companies have special delegated powers
08:26.21morsingIt would be like Ford issuing fines everytime someone driving a Ford exceeded the speed limit
08:26.40SlammerXPthat would be true if Ford were also responsible for road maintenance
08:26.46SlammerXPwhich they aren't
08:27.13antiphaseThank Ford
08:28.51morsingWoo Ford
08:30.03mouseorange car named after a feminie hygene product, advertisers nightmare
08:30.21morsingIt wasn't orange though
08:30.21Leedsit doesn't look, from the Act in question, like the water companies have to power to issue fines, but they can issue hosepipe bans, and anyone who breaks one "shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale." http://tinyurl.com/js8w3 via wikipedia
08:30.26morsingIt was still crap
08:30.48mouseyou found someone witha blue one!!!
08:30.56SlammerXPreminds me, I must water the lawn later
08:31.06mouseI can't really talk, I drive a kia
08:31.20LeedsI no longer have a car
08:31.20mouseat least no one wants to steal it
08:31.34mouseno point owning a car in HK
08:31.41SlammerXPi've been shopping for my next car, should i come back to the uk
08:31.56SlammerXPsome kind of bmw 3 series i suspect
08:31.59mouseI bet you have one of those 70's bicycles, they only come in red
08:32.11antiphaseChopper!
08:34.02Leedswhose chopper is it?
08:34.53mouseI meant the bikes you always see in any movie based in HK, no crossbar and fifteen passengers
08:35.23mousethe rider busy sucjking in pollution
08:37.41morsingSlammerXP: You do have a way of buying the crappiest cars...
08:38.12SlammerXPyeah
08:38.23SlammerXPi have a 325tds right now
08:38.36morsingSlammerXP: Call the AA and ask them if the new 3 series is a good buy
08:38.49morsingSlammerXP: You have an E36 which is the worst BMW ever
08:38.52SlammerXPi wou;dn't buy a new bimmer
08:39.07LeedsI don't own any means of transport (except an old crutch)... I travel by bus, tram, taxi, ferry, escalator, cadging lifts and on foot
08:39.15SlammerXPmorsing: starts first time, every time. goes like a rocket.
08:39.25morsingLeeds: So a bit like being danish...
08:39.29morsingLeeds: Congrats
08:39.40Leedsmorsing: there are public transport escalators in Denmark?
08:39.50morsingYes
08:39.56morsing?
08:40.07Leedswhere?
08:40.22morsingA number of underground stations has escalators
08:40.25mouseno good to you leeds, you can't use your octopuss in denmark
08:40.47LeedsI don't mean escalators used to get in or out of a building, or around a building... I mean a real means of transport between two places, paid for and serviced by the government
08:41.07morsingWhat's the point of that? Get a bus
08:41.14mouseor a red bike
08:41.23morsingYeah - bikes rule
08:41.57Leedsup a hill, through built-up, relatively narrow and frequently one-way street?
08:41.57mousebikes are dangerous, cars hit you when you are on them and it hurts
08:42.16morsingNot in other countries
08:42.24morsingLeeds: Yes
08:43.07Leedsit's faster and cheaper to take the escalator than the buss
08:43.59morsingIt's faster and cheaper to use your bike
08:44.10Leeds*serious* hill
08:44.27mouseDon't tell tfl or they will increase the congestion charge just so they can slap in a couple of pay as you go escalators between bank and moorgate
08:45.02Leedsthis is covered by the government - paid for by the british administration before they left
08:45.17Leedsit really is a quite impressive piece of work
08:45.36mousethe british legacy, a way to keep you unfit and unhealthy
08:45.45mousesounds about right
08:46.05Leedsbetween the hill and the heat, it's more a way to keep the roads and the hospitals emptier
08:46.06mousewe couldn't keep HK so our plan is to kill them all slowly and then take it back
08:46.23SlammerXPin fairness, we gave HK Chris Patten by way of revenge
08:46.55mousedidn't they give him back
08:47.06SlammerXPi'm unsure
08:47.13mouseor are we still refusing to accept that he's one of ours
08:47.43Leedswell he's certainly not a local...
08:47.48mousehe's spent the last 5 years being deported back an forth between kowloon and heathrowq
08:48.08Leedshis book(s) seem to sell quite well here though
08:48.47mousewouldn't it be cheaper to just buy firelighters
08:49.11SlammerXPor proper toilet paper
08:49.37mousehehe
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08:50.51morsingshaibn!
08:50.56SlammerXPthis channel is being overrun by hongkongians
08:50.57shaibnhi :)
08:51.10LeedsSlammerXP: uh, what?
08:51.28SlammerXPwell, there's 2 of you now, no?
08:51.34Leedswho is the other?
08:51.41SlammerXPshai, no?
08:51.47Leedswhat makes you think shai is in HK?
08:52.16SlammerXPdunno
08:52.27SlammerXPcrack-addled bufoonery perhaps :)
08:53.45Leedsnow there's a google phrase sure to get me loads of hits: I'm top for "lord stowe egg tart in macau"
08:53.59SlammerXPexcellent :)
08:54.15SlammerXPhow do you find that out?
08:54.21Leedslogs...
08:54.28SlammerXPoh I see.
08:55.09SlammerXPthe oddest one I have so far this month is "author:willie wonka"
08:56.43Leedsfor the record, Lord Stowe's egg tarts in Macau are pretty good :-)
08:59.28shaibnoops
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08:59.37shaibnwb
09:01.55morsingSlammerXP: Fuck off. Why did you come back?
09:02.14wethrinHas George taken over morsing's keyboard?
09:02.24SlammerXPmorsing: to bask in the glow of your tender affection
09:02.31morsingNow that George has left I have to be mean to SlammerXP
09:02.33morsingwethrin!
09:02.38Leedsconsidering I had about 3 hours of sleep last night, I think I've had a relatively productive day...
09:02.42SlammerXPmorsing: you'll have to try harder than that
09:02.51morsingSlammerXP: Fucjktwat
09:02.57*** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ
09:02.57wethrinmorsing!
09:03.13*** kick/#gllug [SlammerXP!n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc] by morsing (morsing)
09:03.19morsing:)
09:03.20*** mode/#gllug [-o morsing] by ChanServ
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09:03.24morsingThanks!
09:03.37SlammerXPwell, you're certainly acting George's age
09:03.41morsing:)
09:03.42morsingMoo
09:03.42Leedsguess we need a new whipping-boy if George has gone
09:04.01SlammerXPyou'll need a poorer vocabulary to go with it, though
09:04.27morsingWho gave me the power?
09:06.05wethrinInterestingly, they all come out when something "anti-Linux" is posted
09:06.23SlammerXPwethrin: start mentioning that you use gentto in production, on your "hosting cluster"
09:06.39wethrinOn #debian?
09:06.55wethrin"I stopped using Debian because it felt slow and unoptimised for my machine"
09:06.57SlammerXPif you like
09:08.53morsing~seen itsbruce
09:08.55ibotitsbruce <n=itsbruce@router-office.fotango.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 64d 16h 4m 47s ago, saying: 'Maybe he means a "manbag"'.
09:09.05morsingmanbag?
09:10.43SlammerXPa handbag, for me
09:10.50SlammerXPsee also "manopause"
09:11.06SlammerXPfor men, I mean
09:13.06wethrinOld link :)
09:13.43SlammerXPi prefer http://opencurve.org/~sunny/zealot.html
09:14.03SlammerXPwritten by Dave The Kernel Developer
09:14.55morsing"Work"?
09:15.57stephanb2SlammerXP: yeah, but i like the pimp-up-my-ride pictures
09:16.46stephanb2i think there is a transposition of the male motorcycle tinkering hobby into the field of computers
09:17.14stephanb2otherwise i can't explain why so many "blue lights" and "blue leds" products are on offer
09:18.14Leedsblue is cool
09:26.17LeedsI subscribe to the Economist, a little stack of dead tree is delivered once a week... I go to their website, I login as a paying customer, and I have *5* ads on screen for "Subscribe to the print edition!"\
09:26.27Leedsfools
09:27.15SlammerXPeffective targetting
09:27.52Leedsnot that I wasn't going to block all the ads anyway - hello, paying customer here, don't show me big flashing ads, please - but it makes me care even less...
09:28.27morsingCheck it!
09:29.44SlammerXPi appear to be bored.
09:30.14morsingAre you?
09:30.26SlammerXPyes.
09:30.36SlammerXPi oeverestimated the time it would take me to do something
09:30.40Leedsme too
09:30.48SlammerXPi allocated 3 hours, and was done in 5 minutes.
09:31.32morsingGoing to the toilet?
09:31.39SlammerXP$work for $client
09:32.07morsing$$$?
09:32.19Leedsfast?
09:32.34morsingSlammerXP: Are you richer than Leeds?
09:32.46SlammerXPi have no idea.
09:33.19SlammerXPi'm less rich than when I decided to take a year off, though
09:34.23SlammerXPapart from a modest mortgage, I don't owe anyone a penny.
09:34.29morsingz00dax!
09:34.36z00daxmorsing!
09:34.36morsingz00dax: I'm George today
09:34.37morsingCook
09:34.47z00daxscary...
09:35.17Leedsanother channel I'm on - on a private network - has a Dave-of-the-Day
09:37.09wethrin:)
09:38.43morsingwethrin: Beer
09:39.00SlammerXPi was pointed at a website yesterday and was disappointed to find that the company didn't sell snail marmelade
09:39.24SlammerXPhttp://www.jamescargo.com/
09:39.31wethrinmorsing: Not yet
09:40.11Leedsthey import ships and export planes?
09:40.25SlammerXPand they don't sell snail marmalade
09:40.41Leedsis there a particular reason for that?
09:41.02SlammerXPit's a silly name to have if you don't sell snail marmalade
09:41.09SlammerXPjam escargo
09:41.18Leedsyes, I had noticed the name
09:41.24morsingSlammerXP: Weirdo
09:41.47SlammerXPmorsing: to be george, you'll need to have more teen angst and ignorance
09:42.07Leedsoh, and latent- or not-so-latent homosexuality
09:42.27morsingI'll not #intimate then
09:42.40Leedsof the "ugh, girls, why would anyone want to spend time with them" sort
09:43.56SlammerXPcheryl and jemima
09:44.02wethrin"Take two aspirin and I'll see you in the morning"?
09:44.25Leeds"we don't have enough money to pay you for your overnight shifts"?
09:44.32SlammerXPthat's NHS doctors and nurses
09:45.14Leeds"been nice knowing you, we're replacing you with cheaper nurses from Africa"?
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09:49.08morsingshai_!
09:49.43SlammerXPi still need more customers
09:50.53LeedsSlammerXP: I hear spamming is a good way to pick up business
09:51.19morsingMmm... Nurses
09:51.28SlammerXPLeeds: i heard that too, it must be true
09:51.36morsingSlammerXP: Do you want me to setup a spam business?
09:52.00SlammerXPmorsing: i have an address list I can sell you
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09:53.17morsingSlammerXP: Cool
09:53.24SlammerXPantibody-report=# select count(distinct to_address) from abdata;
09:53.24SlammerXP<PROTECTED>
09:53.24SlammerXP-------
09:53.24SlammerXP<PROTECTED>
09:53.28SlammerXPno that many, really.
09:53.33SlammerXPnot
09:53.41morsingIs that 399000 messages?
09:53.41SlammerXPbut that's just one node
09:53.48morsingAddresses?
09:54.15Leedsmorsing: given that he's selecting distinct to_addresses... can you guess?
09:54.36morsingLeeds: Fucktwat
09:54.54Leedsmorsing: watch it
09:55.00SlammerXPantibody-report=# select count(distinct from_address) from abdata;
09:55.01SlammerXP<PROTECTED>
09:55.01SlammerXP-------
09:55.01SlammerXP<PROTECTED>
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09:58.44Leedsshai__: you are growing a tail
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10:00.15LeedsErwin!
10:02.44Erwinmorning
10:03.37morsingErwin!
10:03.41morsingLeeds: Stop it!
10:04.10Leedshmm... it's going to be a hot journey home... official temperature reading at 6pm: 30C
10:04.30ErwinOuch. Firefox says: partly sunny, 12C.
10:05.01Leedsfor Hong Kong? :-)
10:06.10Leedsit apparently hit 33C at the airport today
10:07.47ErwinI guess I'm going to move with my gf, but in Copenhagen. Rental property selection over there is rather crappy though compared to London.
10:08.10morsingBut cheaper...
10:08.23LeedsErwin: do you speak Swedish?
10:09.13ErwinYeah, looks like I'm going to move into something twice as big for the same price as my 1-bed here. I can't decide between being close to charming houses and churches, or in a super-modern complex but in a desolate suburb.
10:09.27ErwinLeeds: Swedish is just Danish with a potato in your mouth. Or is it the other way around?
10:11.02Leedsit's all Greek to me... ask morsing :-)
10:11.48wethrinI'd go for the first one
10:12.39ErwinIf I could speak Swedish, I'd live in the Turning Torso :) 52nd floor apt, 138 sqm is just 20308 swedish kroner per month! That's about 1500 ukp/month.
10:13.09Leedsibot change 20500 hkd to gbp
10:13.47Leeds3rd floor, 500sqf or so, fully serviced
10:14.06SlammerXPmy office is bigger than that
10:14.06SlammerXP:)
10:14.15ErwinYeah, this one is not furnished and I don't know whether anyone in scandinavia knows about "service" like they do here in UK.
10:14.27Leedsyeah, but it's in a frozen wasteland!  mine is in an *urban* wasteland
10:14.29ErwinBut the 52th floor, you can't beat that apparently unless you live in Moscow
10:15.08Leedsone of the new buildings across the road from my office goes up to 68
10:15.26ErwinThat Swedish Skyscraper in Malmö -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Torso
10:15.35morsingWhat?
10:15.35Erwin68 residential floors?
10:15.39Leedsyes
10:15.46Leedswith up to 38 apartments *per floor*
10:16.08SlammerXPMalmö is the name of a store here
10:16.21rhoweHas anyone here had much experience with device-mapper multipath?
10:16.31rhoweI know agk has, but I'm guessing he's idling
10:16.36Leedsthe building here is nothing particularly special - it's big, but not rankingly-sp
10:16.38Leedsso
10:16.43rhoweagk: Are you idling?
10:17.07LeedsErwin: I am told by Swedes that it's the other way around, or that "Swedish people consider Danish a throat condition"
10:18.20Leedsthe other building is much smaller - only has 23 apartments per floor, 60 floors... and a reasonably attractive-looking pool/tennis-court combo
10:18.55LeedsI happen to have the catalogue on my desk - it's in Chinese, but I can read that much :-)
10:22.02ErwinHK sounds as expensive as London though, I pay about 1200/month for something like 450 square feet.
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11:18.39morsingrhowe:
11:30.09iTronrhowe is out of the office right now ;)
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11:33.34morsingiTron!
11:33.39morsingMmm... Duck curry
11:33.47morsingLeeds!
11:36.41iTronHmm. The curry we had at the Kings Arms or whatever it was called last Monday was.... insubstantial. More like slightly spicy soup with some sad looking vegetables and even sadder bits of what was purported to be duck, with a dome of rice beside the soup bowl. Oh and a slice of raw carrot on top of the rice.
11:37.12wethrinThe token veg!
11:37.32iTronGive me Japanese yakiniku or ramen any day over that.
11:37.39Leedsanyone know anything about munin?
11:38.02SlayerXPyes
11:38.27SlayerXPi just had a fried agg & bacon sarnie
11:38.52iTronAbsolutely nothing wrong with fried egg and bacon sarnie tasty goodness.
11:40.48iTronOne broken digestive biscuit left. Or Rich tea. I chose the digestive.
11:50.31Leedshmm... that's a strong green curry
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11:51.54eyoreAnyone know how to enable netbios name resolution under linux?
11:52.23eyoreI can get my machine to resolve other machines netbios requests by switching on samba
11:52.51eyorebut how can i get my machine to attempt to do netbios resolution before resorting to a dns lookup (like a windows machine)
11:53.40Leedsnsswitch?
11:55.44JAVhello
11:57.38antiphasenetbios is evil
11:57.38Leedseyore: there appear to be winbind and wins modules on my system for nss
12:03.09eyorei'll have a search through my repo
12:05.05eyoreevil maybe, but also rather handy
12:05.49eyoreIf there was a preconfigured server-less alternateive pre-installed in linux like zeroconf then i might be tempted to use that
12:09.44eyorethanks Leeds, the nsswitch worked, possibly cos i already enabled wins in samba
12:10.10eyorequite pleased, as i've wanted to know how to do that for ages
12:10.23eyorebut i've never quite been bothered enough to work it out
12:10.47Leedshappy to help
12:13.53morsingLeeds: I do!
12:14.31morsingLeeds: What's your question then?
12:15.29Leedsjust wondering if it was any good... it looks quite good, as an mrtg replacement...
12:17.06morsingLeeds: It's brilliant
12:17.21morsingAnd *very* easy to install, even on hundreds of nodes
12:17.45morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/www/munin/
12:17.46LeedsI want it on one node :-)
12:18.22morsing*and* it's made by a dane :)  (not me)
12:18.32Leedsisn't it at a .no?
12:19.53morsingAhh... It is actually. He has a *very* danish name though :)
12:49.29JAVnice machines
12:59.24skuggmorsing: who is that?
12:59.39skugg(that has a very danish sounding name)
13:08.53SlayerXPmunin uses mrtg (or rather rrdtool) as the backend
13:13.14eyoreI used to use cricket, can't say i was every massively impressed with it's ease of use
13:13.26eyoreit did work though
13:38.43wethrineyup, people
14:02.01morsingwethrin!
14:02.10wethrinmorsing!
14:05.48morsingbeer
14:07.35wethrinYeah
14:12.35shaibnon my sshd_config file, what is the diff between: RSAAuthentication and PubkeyAuthentication ?
14:13.11shaibnand as far as I know, i've setup DSA keys, not RSA.
14:19.43antiphaseRSAAuthentication is something old that you needn't worry about IIRC
14:22.09shaibnkewl...
14:39.16wethrin~change 1000 CDN to GBP
14:39.24wethrin~change 1000 CAD to GBP
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14:42.26cbzyuh
14:42.28cbzefening
14:42.42wethrin~change 1 CAD to GBP
14:42.45wethrinhi cbz
14:42.53wethrin~change 1 GBP to CAD
14:44.31cbzhi wethrin
14:44.43cbzThe loonie is appreciating in value.
14:44.51cbz<PROTECTED>
14:45.25cbzTime to buy merkin software over the web
14:45.39wethrinYeah
14:45.43wethrin~change 65 USD to GBP
14:49.57ErwinArgh, I get paid in USD and it keeps dropping
14:50.28wethrinAsk for a sensible currency
14:51.32cbzYou are the only Uk employee of a US company Erwin?
14:53.31cbzCan't they do a contract deal in hyperinflating currency or summat?
14:53.47Erwincbz: Well, not as much as UK employee, but I happen to live in London because it's fun.
14:53.55cbzAh - that's pretty cool.
14:54.02cbzAre you paid on US wage scales?
14:54.54ErwinWell, with the same experience I have could probably be paid more if I was living in Silicon Valley. But it's a decent wage.
14:55.27cbzFair enough
14:55.51ErwinIt's a 14 hour commute, but I only do that 3-4 times a year :-)
14:56.21cbzWree you based in London when they hired you? Or did you move afterwards?
14:56.35morsingCheck it!
14:57.56Erwincbz: I lived in Copenhagen back then. I guess more founded not as much as hired, I have a 10% share (in theory, a gentleman's agreement)
14:58.08cbzAh, fair enough.
14:58.31cbzA few of the people in this team live abroad - but generally they were hired first and moved later
14:58.38cbz(Switzerland, Canada and Jersey)
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15:44.30eyoreGrr onboard ATI. Grr
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16:42.43stephanb2time 2 go home
16:42.49stephanb2cu all tmr!
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18:25.01shaibnanyone up?
18:26.32shaibnping Leeds
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18:30.51eyorestupid nickserv
18:37.58SlayerXPi'm not awake
18:40.38boudiccasibot wake z00dax
18:40.40ibotz00dax: GOOD MORNING!!!
18:45.28z00daxboudiccas: hi
18:59.34boudiccashang on i'm in the middle of a row#
19:01.52boudiccasz00dax; sorry about that, back with you now. do you know of a gui for vim please?
19:02.07z00daxgvim ?
19:02.09stephenboudiccas: gvim
19:02.14boudiccasty
19:02.21z00daxboudiccas: its there with the other pkgs :)
19:02.36z00daxvim-X11 will give you gvim
19:02.38stephenit's available for windows too, which is awesome when you're stuck in MS land
19:19.01boudiccasz00dax; and stephen ... thanks, its sorted now
19:29.35morsingboudiccas!
19:30.00boudiccasmorsing!
19:32.22morsingping wethrin
19:33.05wethrinpong
19:33.47morsinghow are you?
19:35.35wethrinI'm okay
19:35.39wethrinWant beer
19:35.49wethrinWaiting for a friend to turn up
19:36.00morsingMmm... coffee
19:36.14morsingYou haven't invited me?
19:41.59wethrinyou're welcome to turn up
19:42.05wethrinBut you're not going to get here on time
20:00.40morsingHmm...
20:01.47morsing~seen eye69
20:01.59iboteye69 is currently on #debian #gllug, last said: 'Leeds: You could send about 90% of your dosh my way, so you can take that loan.'.
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20:11.50morsingangelchild!
20:12.15angelchildmorsing!
20:12.27SlayerXP$nick!
20:13.38morsingAny elctro-chemists on here?
20:14.41SlayerXPerrm, no, but I know bits of chemistry
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20:14.55pieCan anyone recommend an xslt processor?
20:15.07SlayerXPpie: xsltproc
20:15.30SlayerXPs'what I use for the gllug faq
20:15.42morsingSlayerXP: I installed a new car battery and put silicon grease on both terminals. After a few days the grease on the negative terminal has gone brown but the grease on the positive is still clear. Why?
20:15.53piethanks.  I will try and get it working on Fedora, you use it on Debian?
20:16.25SlayerXPmorsing: given the terminals will be iron, i imagine there was moisture and the brown stuff is rust
20:16.31SlayerXPpie: yes.
20:16.52morsingSlayerXP: It's all new stuff and the terminals are not iron nor rusty
20:17.02pieSlayerXP, thanks, installing it now.
20:17.02SlayerXPpie: check out the gllugfaq svn tree for some "known working" code to try with
20:17.18pieSlayerXP, got an svn uri?
20:17.32SlayerXPpie: http://svn.hinterlands.org/gllugfaq/
20:17.38pieta
20:35.11wethrinPIE!
20:35.35pieHmmm, pie
20:37.19pieHmmm, why does xhtml not seem to want to work with any xslt processor?
20:37.38SlayerXPbecause it's hateful? :)
20:38.56pieI have no choice!
21:01.53pieOK, how do I make the XSLT see the XHTML?
21:02.07pie<xsl:template match="/"> doesn't seem to match...
21:03.00pie<xsl:template match="/html/body"> seems to work...
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22:50.11startxwhitehas anyone here ever managed to update sarge (apt-get update & apt-get upgrade) from a live distro? i mean booting a live distro like slax which has 2.6.16 and establishing a stable and fast connection to the net via wireless cardbus card, mounting sarge / (/dev/hda1) and then updating SARGE?
22:51.43startxwhitewhy do i need to do this? sarge 2.6.8 does NOT recognize a lot of cardbus wifi/nics on my laptop. live distrso 2.6.15+ do. there is no 2.6.15 for sarge. compiling is NOT an option!
22:57.28rhowestartxwhite: What makes compiling not an option? make-kpkg surely makes it easy enough, if you have the disk space and time
23:00.14startxwhite<rhowe> p133 100mb free space. NO usb, no integrated nic on laptop
23:03.58startxwhiterhowe> can you help?
23:04.18rhowestartxwhite: Hm..
23:04.28rhowestartxwhite: I could build you a kernel. but you'd need to trust me
23:04.33wethrinAnyone played with Linux and SCSI target mode?
23:04.47rhoweAlso, I've never used make-kpkg, so you'd get it as a tarball :)
23:04.53rhowewethrin: target mode?
23:05.24wethrinYeah. So your box looks like a SCSI device
23:05.36rhowewethrin: Ah, no
23:05.53wethrinbah
23:06.31z00daxthats not scsi
23:06.36z00daxthats iscsi :)
23:07.18z00daxwethrin: what you upto ?
23:07.25wethriniscsi is over Ethernet
23:07.32wethrinnot just plugging a SCSI cable into a SCSI controller
23:07.47wethrinz00dax: Exporting disks over Fibrechannel
23:07.54wethrinUnfortunately FreeBSD doesn't support my FC controllers
23:08.12z00daxah, you mean aka Apple OSX type of scsi-mode
23:08.56rhowewethrin: Write a driver :P
23:08.56wethrinz00dax: Aye
23:08.56wethrinrhowe: Bite me
23:09.00z00daxnope, never tried that - not even sure how to start with that , on linux
23:09.07rhowewethrin: No, I just ate bolognese
23:09.44wethrinokay
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23:31.47wethrinGEORGE!
23:32.09George?
23:32.34wethrinI'm talking crap
23:32.49JAVwb George
23:32.52Georgelooks like I'm going to be doing SoC
23:32.56wethrinw00t
23:33.05wethrinDoing the KDE thingy?
23:33.13Georgewethrin: my little droids inside KDE inform me that I'm currently ranked 3rd
23:33.16Georgewethrin: out of approx. 200
23:33.22Georgewethrin: kNX
23:33.28wethrinAhh yes
23:33.46wethrin3rd for the kNX project? Or 3rd for some large number of projects?
23:33.52George3rd for KDE
23:34.04wethrinAhh...how many positions do they have?
23:34.06Georgeeach mentoring org gets x proposals
23:34.10Georgementors rank said proposals
23:34.15Georgegoogle takes top n proposals
23:34.20Georgelast year google took 22 from KDE
23:34.53GeorgeI have 22 or 23 votes
23:34.54Georgeor something
23:35.14wethrinOkay, so it's up to Google to decide, ultimately?
23:35.21Georgethey don't really decide
23:35.25Georgethey just take n proposals
23:35.33GeorgeI suspect they'll take about 20 from kde again
23:35.38wethrinnot bad
23:35.41Georgemaybe more, as they're taking more students this year
23:35.51wethrinGoogle have too much money
23:35.53Georgebut to be ranked 3rd is pretty fantastic
23:36.00wethrinAye. Well done!
23:36.09Georgebut there's still 1.5 weeks of voting left
23:36.11Georgelots could change
23:36.21wethrinaye
23:36.24ErwinWhat's your proposal?
23:36.33GeorgeErwin: http://gwright.org.uk/proposal.txt
23:38.13JAVinteresting
23:38.44Georgehttp://blog.gwright.org.uk/index.php?/archives/124-Updated-kNX-in-SVN.html
23:40.27GeorgeI've now dropped out of STEP III and Additional Further Maths
23:40.33Georgedeemed MONEY FROM GOOGLE was more important
23:41.30rhoweGeorge: What happened to your GPL-induced communist instincts?
23:41.37George?
23:41.42wethrinAnd Cambridge doesn't mind?
23:41.52Georgewethrin: cambridge didn't know I was taking them in the first place
23:41.56wethrinAhh
23:42.06Georgeso no.
23:42.19Georgerhowe: I want to buy a new archery bow -> need money
23:42.30Georgebecause this time I want to get a full-on olympic beast
23:43.12rhoweWhatever happened to kids just having a 3 quid catapault?
23:43.26GeorgeI do real archery
23:43.29Georgetarget archery
23:43.40Georgea decent bow costs about 1500 quid
23:43.46Georgemine was only about 1000
23:43.55rhoweLook out GNOME, KDE developers are arming up
23:44.09Georgeand mine's a bit light for me now
23:44.12Georgeso i need a heavier one
23:44.27Georgehttp://gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Archery/bow.jpg&width=800&height=600
23:44.31wethrinAdd some concrete :)
23:44.40Georgewethrin: draw weight
23:44.51wethrinmm
23:45.56Georgehttp://gwright.org.uk/images/pictures/Archery/bow.jpg
23:46.14Georgethat was in the days when I had 8 arrows
23:46.17z00daxhey George
23:46.19Georgebefore I pummelled 2 into the wall
23:46.23ErwinAt what distance is it fatal?
23:46.26Georgehi z00man
23:46.35rhoweheya KB
23:46.39Georgeprobably up to 100m
23:46.44GeorgeI've never shot it beyond 20 yards
23:47.05z00daxhi rhowe
23:47.17Georgemilkshake.
23:47.22z00daxyou'd need strong arms to make 100m with a bow
23:47.26rhoweErwin: Depends how far you can throw it, I guess :)
23:47.33Georgez00dax: rubbish
23:47.41Georgez00dax: my bow is a 35lb draw weight
23:47.59z00daxi suppose you could walk over and beat someone to death
23:48.06z00daxGeorge: could you make 100m ?
23:48.10Georgeyes
23:48.14Georgeyou just aim higher.
23:49.33rhoweDoes this look a little precarious to anyone else? http://gwright.org.uk/images/pictures/Archery/bow.jpg
23:49.37rhoweer.. wrong URL
23:49.42rhowehttp://www.wreckage.org/it/hh-wiring/DSCF0034.jpg
23:57.16rhoweheh, seen on the wall in the wiring room of work's new office: http://www.wreckage.org/it/hh-wiring/DSCF0032.jpg
23:58.17rhoweDammit, they're forecasting rain for the weekend again
23:58.46wethrinHateful people
23:58.55wethrinI wanted to take some nice pictures, too

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