| 01:21.21 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 01:48.23 | JAV | good morning Leeds |
| 01:50.50 | Leeds | hello JAV |
| 05:15.09 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:15.22 | Leeds | hello morsing... I'm about to go to lunch... |
| 05:17.12 | morsing | Mmm... breakfast |
| 05:17.19 | morsing | What are you having? |
| 05:21.46 | Leeds | sushi |
| 05:31.02 | morsing | Mmm... my favorite |
| 06:00.02 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:03.18 | SlayerXP | i have a blog. |
| 06:03.25 | SlayerXP | you may fear when ready. |
| 06:48.08 | SlayerXP | Leeds: click on the ads on my blog and I'l buy you a beer when I have enough money to do so. |
| 06:48.51 | Leeds | SlayerXP: that would be easier if you'd told us the URL |
| 06:49.02 | SlayerXP | http://blog.hinterlands.org/ |
| 06:51.37 | Leeds | wow |
| 06:51.50 | SlayerXP | i know, it's exciting isn't it |
| 06:52.14 | SlayerXP | errand& |
| 07:08.02 | mozrat | slayerxp.... blog |
| 07:08.18 | mozrat | wethrin...... blog??? |
| 07:08.37 | mozrat | why couldnt things stay the way they were??? |
| 07:10.58 | mozrat | Nice kitten though |
| 07:19.31 | mozrat | Henry Gilbert..... *spasm* |
| 07:19.49 | mozrat | sheesh, he makes my eyeballs itch |
| 07:20.46 | Leeds | so... is he just being a prat, is he trying to out himself as part of a team of professional trolls, or what? |
| 07:21.02 | mozrat | no idea |
| 07:21.21 | mozrat | he is the lead of a one man team of inexplicable people |
| 07:22.28 | mozrat | Strange that he only pops up occasionally - you would have thought he would be more regular if he is that random |
| 07:22.46 | mozrat | i wonder if he only occasionally subs to the list |
| 07:25.11 | morsing | You gotta love that HG dude... |
| 07:25.43 | mozrat | *scratches.eyeball* |
| 07:25.54 | mozrat | morsing! |
| 07:26.20 | morsing | Woo mozzie yay |
| 07:26.23 | mozrat | how is the Treo? should i get one so we can have treo owners meetings? |
| 07:26.31 | morsing | mozrat: It's cool |
| 07:26.35 | Leeds | mozrat: he is hating every minute of it |
| 07:26.42 | morsing | Yup - let's setup a mailing list |
| 07:26.42 | Leeds | morsing: out of interest, what did you have before? |
| 07:26.59 | mozrat | Leeds he is? |
| 07:27.04 | mozrat | morsing you are? |
| 07:27.36 | morsing | Leeds: Camelot=Nokia 6310, Barclaycard=Nokia something, My personal in between=Nokia 3310 |
| 07:27.41 | morsing | mozrat: Nope |
| 07:27.54 | Leeds | ah, a Nokia person... that might explain it |
| 07:27.56 | morsing | I *really* miss the Nokia profiles |
| 07:28.05 | morsing | REALLY REALLY |
| 07:28.11 | morsing | REALLY |
| 07:28.28 | mozrat | moosing, how often did you change profiles though? |
| 07:28.46 | morsing | 10 times a day? |
| 07:28.49 | morsing | 15-20 maybe? |
| 07:28.57 | mozrat | umm |
| 07:29.04 | mozrat | ok! why? |
| 07:29.28 | morsing | To not interrupt/Be able to hear it |
| 07:29.43 | mozrat | i think people who go from a phone to a PDA with phone functionality are always left wanting |
| 07:29.46 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.54 | mozrat | XDA, bLackberry, Treo |
| 07:29.55 | morsing | mozrat: Indeed |
| 07:30.01 | Leeds | mozrat: note that the Treo has a physical silent/vibrate<->ring switch on top |
| 07:30.12 | morsing | Leeds: Yes but not LOUD |
| 07:30.16 | mozrat | the phone functionality isnt the best on them |
| 07:30.27 | Leeds | I find the tone can be plenty loud |
| 07:30.27 | morsing | If I'm outside there's no way I would know it was ringing |
| 07:30.45 | Leeds | maybe you need to be using a louder tone? |
| 07:32.03 | Leeds | I copied the tone over from my previous SE phone |
| 07:32.24 | morsing | Leeds: Actually the button on the side changes the volume |
| 07:32.38 | morsing | WOW! I left the phone at home :( |
| 07:33.31 | Leeds | you'd never have done that with a Nokia... |
| 07:39.04 | morsing | Leeds: I charged it on Friday evening and despite intensive use it was still running this morning |
| 07:39.11 | Leeds | cool |
| 07:39.42 | Leeds | I've been killing my battery recently, since I got a stereo bluetooth adapter and a third-party stereo bluetooth driver to go with it |
| 07:39.51 | Leeds | s,adapter,headset, |
| 07:40.03 | morsing | Leeds: I got pilot-link installed |
| 07:40.18 | Leeds | good point - I should back up |
| 07:40.22 | morsing | What do I do with it? |
| 07:40.28 | Leeds | rtfm |
| 07:40.42 | morsing | How do I download photos and upload MP3? Can it play MP3? |
| 07:40.51 | morsing | rtfm? There's nothing there |
| 07:40.57 | Leeds | were you not at the talk I gave at UCL on this subject about 5 years ago? :-) |
| 07:41.36 | morsing | No |
| 07:41.50 | Leeds | why not? |
| 07:41.57 | morsing | You never invited me |
| 07:42.02 | morsing | Bad Leeds |
| 07:42.10 | Leeds | it was a GLLUG meeting! |
| 07:42.15 | morsing | Bad mozrat |
| 07:42.27 | morsing | Leeds: Is there a GUI for this? |
| 07:42.36 | morsing | Does it play MP3? |
| 07:42.46 | Leeds | as it happened, that was the week I got my iPaq, and I couldn't be bothered talking about PalmOS devices any more, so I barely mentioned it |
| 07:42.49 | George | heylo |
| 07:42.59 | morsing | George! |
| 07:43.17 | Leeds | I don't know or care about GUIs - I know there was one, years ago, but I've no idea if it's still around and/or kept up-to-date - I like command-lines |
| 07:43.24 | Leeds | and yes, of course it plays MP3 |
| 07:43.47 | morsing | Leeds: So do I but the command line lacks documentation |
| 07:44.09 | morsing | Leeds: When I ordered it it said you needed to buy a module to play mp3 |
| 07:44.34 | Leeds | seems pretty well documented to me... |
| 07:44.36 | Leeds | what is a module? |
| 07:44.47 | Leeds | have you tried man pilot-link? |
| 07:44.49 | morsing | Leeds: Who knows. Something they want money for... |
| 07:44.55 | morsing | Leeds: Yes I have |
| 07:45.09 | morsing | I can backup the database apparently |
| 07:45.12 | morsing | ?! |
| 07:45.22 | morsing | Nothing 'bout mp3 |
| 07:45.27 | morsing | Or photos |
| 07:45.53 | Leeds | morsing: these are all FAQs - have you done any research at all? |
| 07:47.37 | morsing | I'm researching by asking you |
| 07:48.23 | Leeds | get a memory card, get a card reader |
| 07:48.34 | morsing | Cool - thanks |
| 07:48.42 | Leeds | get google |
| 07:49.11 | Leeds | remember, the thing doesn't have that much internal memory - and most of that will be full of software, if you become a power user... you need external storage |
| 07:49.32 | morsing | pilot-xfer installs software right? |
| 07:49.44 | Leeds | you are, for example, not going to store MP3s internally, except for ringtones |
| 07:49.56 | Leeds | NAME |
| 07:49.56 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.56 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.44 | Leeds | unless you have different man pages from me - and why would you? - that is the top of the pilot-xfer man page |
| 07:51.25 | morsing | I don't want to Backup, sync, and restore databases |
| 07:51.30 | Leeds | seriously, if you're having trouble finding something, or doing something, I'm happy to point you in the right direction... but I don't really want to hold your hand |
| 07:51.43 | Leeds | why do you not want to backup, sync or restore databases? |
| 07:51.45 | morsing | But I want to hold yours :) |
| 07:52.00 | morsing | Leeds: Why would I? I want to install software on it |
| 07:52.15 | Leeds | ah, now that is a bit of PalmOS terminology... |
| 07:52.50 | Leeds | PalmOS does not really have the concept of files in a filesystem - certainly not until recently, and most stuff still uses the old interfaces |
| 07:53.48 | Leeds | so 'files' are in fact collections of records in memory (buffers, effectively) with some metadata, which get serialised when you write them out to a filesystem, using hotsync, or to a card |
| 07:54.01 | SlayerXP | fg |
| 07:54.12 | Leeds | so when the term 'database' is used, it doesn't mean a database like mysql, bdb, etc. - it means a file |
| 07:54.58 | Leeds | there are two extensions commonly-used for Palm databases - prc and pdb... pdb is a Palm database - just data... a prc is a Palm resource file - could contain machine code, could contain screen/UI resources, etc. |
| 07:55.26 | morsing | 'k |
| 07:55.40 | SlayerXP | how very macintosh of it |
| 07:56.08 | Leeds | SlayerXP: a significant proportion of the early PalmOS coders - even a large majority - were ex-Apple people |
| 07:56.32 | Leeds | there are still a lot of little Macish things hidden away in dusty corners of PalmOS |
| 07:57.44 | Leeds | morsing: the other point is... it's a computer... the question is not "can it play MP3s?" - the question is "which MP3 player do you recommend?" |
| 07:58.19 | morsing | Leeds: But I didn't buy the MP3 module! |
| 07:58.28 | Leeds | what is an MP3 module????? |
| 07:58.41 | morsing | The thing they were trying to sell me! |
| 07:58.50 | SlayerXP | you know, I really _hate_ mail systems that generate bounces for virus infected mail |
| 07:59.02 | morsing | SlayerXP: We all do |
| 07:59.05 | morsing | Believe me |
| 07:59.15 | Leeds | morsing: are you talking about hardware? software? what? |
| 07:59.21 | murb | i really hate people who think i run such a mailsystem because i queue email for some off line systems |
| 07:59.28 | morsing | Leeds: Don't know. Sounded like HW |
| 08:00.15 | Leeds | forget what 'they' told you... it's a computer... it's Turing complete... it can do anything... sure, some things it can do better than others, some things it doesn't have the raw resources to do... but in principle, it can do anything |
| 08:03.39 | morsing | Leeds: How well does apache run on it? |
| 08:04.23 | Leeds | http://www.apacheweek.com/features/apachepda/ |
| 08:06.35 | morsing | Fasciinating |
| 08:07.57 | SlayerXP | George: we've seen your attempts so far, please don't |
| 08:09.11 | morsing | George: I admire you |
| 08:10.02 | George | why? |
| 08:10.25 | morsing | You know you're crap at coding yet you keep trying |
| 08:10.29 | George | :P |
| 08:10.40 | George | since when have I "kept trying"? |
| 08:10.48 | George | I haven't coded in AGES |
| 08:11.00 | George | the reason I'm crap is through lack of doing anything |
| 08:11.22 | morsing | You need more beer & coffee to code properly |
| 08:11.42 | George | lies |
| 08:12.11 | George | I have my own pub/ |
| 08:13.53 | morsing | Leeds: Which ssh client did you recommen again? |
| 08:14.57 | SlayerXP | what are my options for centralised address book for thunderbird? |
| 08:15.12 | morsing | SlayerXP: Install Internet Explorer |
| 08:17.40 | Leeds | morsing: pssh |
| 08:18.28 | Leeds | SlayerXP: it's all your fault |
| 08:18.37 | SlayerXP | why's that? |
| 08:18.38 | Leeds | "Note to Help Desk: Look on the unconfigured-debian-site () MailScanner in /var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine/20060502 (message 7AB12C3E51.25384)." |
| 08:19.10 | SlayerXP | actually that's your fault for not just using my mail filtering service |
| 08:19.34 | Leeds | it's actually the Sri Lankans' fault |
| 08:19.58 | Leeds | I suspect their server was 'upgraded' from Redhat to Debian by people who had not the slightest clue what they were doing |
| 08:21.30 | SlayerXP | though rare, there are clueless debian users |
| 08:21.36 | SlayerXP | okay, they're not that rare |
| 08:27.49 | George | what's the best way to create a buildsystem based on automake? |
| 08:28.21 | Leeds | start with an existing working one |
| 08:28.24 | mozrat | whoopsie |
| 08:28.32 | George | Leeds: elaborate please |
| 08:28.35 | George | hey mozrat |
| 08:28.41 | mozrat | hey george |
| 08:30.13 | Leeds | either, facetiously, the best way to create one is not to create one, but to already have one - or, more seriously, to nick one from another project, editing where needed |
| 08:30.21 | stephen | George: autoproject is supposed to handle things like that, but I've never used it |
| 08:30.34 | George | why do buildsystems suck so much |
| 08:30.34 | George | grr |
| 08:34.59 | Leeds | is it just me, or is sending iso8858-1 mail in 7bit a bit strange? |
| 08:36.52 | Leeds | SlayerXP: please confirm... "unconfigured-debian-site" means they didn't even set the computer name, right? |
| 08:37.26 | SlayerXP | no, debian defaults to calling a machine "debian" |
| 08:37.51 | SlayerXP | that phrase is used by several packages where people are change a config file to claim ownership of a particular installation |
| 08:38.10 | SlayerXP | people are to, I mean |
| 08:39.25 | SlayerXP | i'm guessing MailScanner is one of those. |
| 08:42.10 | SlayerXP | winter:/etc/MailScanner# grep unconfig * |
| 08:42.10 | SlayerXP | MailScanner.conf:%org-name% = unconfigured-debian-site |
| 08:42.11 | SlayerXP | spam.assassin.prefs.conf:# Change unconfigured-debian-site to match your %org-name% as |
| 08:43.09 | Leeds | thanks |
| 08:54.39 | wethrin | mozrat: ping? |
| 08:54.43 | mozrat | wethrin: pong |
| 08:54.48 | wethrin | mozrat: What about blog? |
| 08:55.00 | mozrat | I think MSN have just killed my account |
| 08:55.10 | mozrat | probably because I never ever ever log into hotmail |
| 08:55.15 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 08:55.28 | wethrin | But what did you ask about blog? :) |
| 08:55.38 | mozrat | wethrin: I was saying that our 2 most anti-blog people here have both got one now |
| 08:55.44 | wethrin | Ahhhh |
| 08:55.55 | wethrin | I suck :) |
| 08:56.02 | wethrin | And I'm off for invigilator training now. Fun fun fun |
| 08:56.13 | SlayerXP | you should link my blog on p.g.o.u |
| 08:56.22 | morsing | wethrin: What's my phone number? |
| 08:56.24 | wethrin | morsong++ |
| 08:56.27 | wethrin | Gah |
| 08:56.28 | wethrin | morsing++ |
| 08:56.31 | mozrat | SlayerXP: I'll ask Dean |
| 08:56.48 | wethrin | morsing: /msg |
| 08:56.57 | Leeds | mozrat: I should really work on getting mine to do summaries... |
| 08:57.15 | wethrin | Bye for now! |
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| 09:03.01 | cup | anyone use lvs here? |
| 09:03.08 | cup | and good morning |
| 09:10.28 | Leeds | hi, and what's that? |
| 09:13.37 | cup | http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
| 09:13.39 | cup | sorry |
| 09:13.49 | Leeds | ah, that... no, never been near it |
| 09:27.43 | cup | doen't matter think I have found a solution now |
| 09:28.10 | mozrat | yippee! |
| 09:28.51 | morsing | cup! |
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| 09:43.11 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 09:43.15 | Erwin | mrning |
| 09:43.20 | morsing | Har du det godt? |
| 09:47.13 | antiphase | Quarter to eleven |
| 09:49.17 | wethrin | hello |
| 09:49.19 | z00dax | $TZ Greetings |
| 09:49.56 | mozrat | woo z00dax |
| 09:50.10 | SlammerXP | seem Mister Schilling went to the same school of diplomacy as Hans Reiser |
| 09:50.33 | z00dax | mozrat! |
| 09:50.40 | SlammerXP | cor |
| 09:50.54 | SlammerXP | i've now earned over 2 dollars from google |
| 09:51.14 | mozrat | From your blog?? |
| 09:51.22 | SlammerXP | blog and/or front pagew |
| 09:51.24 | SlammerXP | page |
| 09:51.40 | Erwin | But they don't pay out until you $100, right? |
| 09:51.46 | z00dax | cup: I've used bits of it - Heartbeat, Piranha |
| 09:51.47 | SlammerXP | right |
| 09:52.59 | z00dax | iirc, google will payout end of the year |
| 09:53.13 | z00dax | or $100, which i never really made within a year anyway |
| 09:53.49 | SlammerXP | i'm 2.19% of the way there alreayd |
| 09:54.43 | z00dax | yay! |
| 09:57.16 | mozrat | SlammerXP: which prison did you just escape from in this picture? http://www.hinterlands.org/mab-thumbnail.png |
| 09:58.01 | SlammerXP | mozrat: belmarsh |
| 09:58.55 | SlammerXP | my hair's a bit long there |
| 10:00.16 | mozrat | you and wethrin should enter the shortest hair competition |
| 10:00.40 | wethrin | mozrat: Just 'cause you're a long-haired hippy :-P |
| 10:01.20 | SlammerXP | mystandard request translates to "1mm machine cut" |
| 10:01.21 | mozrat | wethrin: apparently! |
| 10:03.33 | Leeds | work sucks |
| 10:04.02 | wethrin | Yes, but I need to do some |
| 10:04.14 | wethrin | So I shall be hiding for a bit |
| 10:11.02 | morsing | beer |
| 10:11.23 | Leeds | tonight, no beer, I think... tomorrow, ladies' night, maybe |
| 10:11.57 | morsing | Mmm... ladies |
| 10:12.03 | morsing | ~seen cope |
| 10:12.08 | ibot | cope is currently on #debian (5d 2h 20m 53s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 4d 20h 9m 25s, last said: ':)'. |
| 10:13.12 | Leeds | ladies' night just means cheap/free drinks for women |
| 10:14.08 | morsing | Leeds: Which attracts ladies I assume? |
| 10:14.20 | Leeds | indeed |
| 10:14.21 | morsing | SlammerXP: how's Blapto? |
| 10:14.33 | SlammerXP | morsing: who/what is that? |
| 10:14.40 | morsing | SlammerXP: Your partner. |
| 10:14.58 | SlammerXP | partner? |
| 10:15.10 | morsing | SlammerXP: Are you actually married to him? |
| 10:15.18 | SlammerXP | eh? |
| 10:15.26 | SlammerXP | morsing: try the universe next door |
| 10:15.34 | morsing | ~seen Blapto |
| 10:15.36 | ibot | blapto <n=Martin@brookscity.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 18d 14h 10m 3s ago, saying: 'BILLION'. |
| 10:15.44 | Leeds | oh my god, you killed Blapto! |
| 10:15.55 | morsing | Martin@brooks |
| 10:16.09 | SlammerXP | clearly no connection. |
| 10:16.14 | SlammerXP | I'm Martin A. Brooks |
| 10:16.25 | Leeds | right... |
| 10:16.26 | mozrat | He was teased about this at the last Gllug-Social and claimed to have no knowledge of SlammerXP |
| 10:16.35 | mozrat | The gentleman protesteth too much |
| 10:16.52 | Leeds | Glory/Ben |
| 10:17.25 | SlammerXP | poor sod |
| 10:19.50 | Leeds | http://styletap.com/ is a PalmOS emulator for wince - so you can run 'real' Treo apps on the 700w :-) |
| 10:34.01 | morsing | beer |
| 10:36.58 | cup | anyone use openvpn? |
| 10:37.13 | morsing | cup: No - no-one uses that :) |
| 10:37.18 | Leeds | cup: yes, regularl |
| 10:37.32 | morsing | Oh... Leeds |
| 10:37.47 | cup | morsing: why is not very good? |
| 10:37.55 | mozrat | My eyeballs are itching again |
| 10:38.42 | Leeds | cup: I'm about to go home... did you have a quick, easy-to-answer question, or a slightly-later-when-I'm-home one? |
| 10:39.00 | cup | type now |
| 10:39.11 | cup | Leeds: quick question, if you have time. Have a client server enc key vpn thing going on. the vpn seems to up and working fine |
| 10:39.13 | cup | but |
| 10:40.02 | cup | the subnets either side can't seem to see each other dispite using push "route 10.66.0.0 255.255.255.0" in the config files |
| 10:40.30 | Leeds | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:40.33 | Leeds | by any chance? :-) |
| 10:41.04 | cup | I'll double check and shoot myself if that is the case |
| 10:41.29 | cup | no fine |
| 10:41.41 | Leeds | checked at both ends, I assume... |
| 10:41.44 | cup | yep |
| 10:42.16 | Leeds | so you have server A in subnet 1 and server B in subnet 2 - on a VPN with two machines called x and y on subnet 0 |
| 10:42.37 | cup | yes |
| 10:42.38 | Leeds | server A can see subnet 2 and server B can see subnet 1? |
| 10:43.04 | cup | I can ping each machine when using IPs of the vpn |
| 10:43.19 | cup | I can ping from subnet A to B, but not B to A |
| 10:43.33 | Leeds | then that would seem to be your point of breakage, no? |
| 10:44.02 | SlammerXP | you need explicit routes at each end |
| 10:44.34 | Leeds | SlammerXP: that's what the push command does in the openvpn config - assuming you've got that command right |
| 10:44.51 | Leeds | cup: are A and B the default gateways for their respective subnets? |
| 10:45.33 | Leeds | I assume 10.66.0.x is the actual subnet address, not the VPN address? |
| 10:45.50 | Leeds | cup: talk to me or I'm going home :-) |
| 10:45.55 | cup | ok cheers |
| 10:46.14 | cup | go home I will still be here tomorrow I am sure :) |
| 10:46.23 | Leeds | well, I'll be online again in 30 minutes or so... |
| 10:46.34 | cup | ok cheers |
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| 11:21.05 | mozrat | wb Leeds |
| 11:21.09 | Leeds | hey |
| 11:21.19 | Leeds | cup went away, I guess - did he get fixed? |
| 11:21.31 | mozrat | I didn't see him leave |
| 11:21.36 | mozrat | he is still here |
| 11:21.49 | Leeds | xchat is showing him as away |
| 11:24.43 | mozrat | evolution.... die a horrible death |
| 11:24.46 | mozrat | you suck |
| 11:29.57 | cup | Leeds: a case of being a fool and only half reading the documentation, push only works in the server's configs not the client's (sensibly), so a seperate method is used. |
| 11:31.36 | morsing | Name a Telco company in London |
| 11:33.07 | wethrin | Colt |
| 11:33.46 | Leeds | cup: glad to hear you got it working... |
| 11:35.24 | morsing | HA HA HA This cracked me up :D |
| 11:35.29 | morsing | http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ |
| 11:36.48 | Leeds | the penguins? |
| 11:38.02 | morsing | No - IBM publishing a Redbook called "Solaris ot Linux migration" |
| 11:38.07 | morsing | s/ot/to/ |
| 11:38.36 | Leeds | what's funny about that? |
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| 11:47.13 | keithlard | hello :D |
| 11:47.16 | mozrat | *woof* |
| 11:47.44 | keithlard | that whole dog business is all in the past |
| 11:48.04 | mozrat | :-) |
| 11:53.49 | Cope | keithlard: woo |
| 11:57.01 | Cope | morsing: i hear it is a good book actuallly |
| 11:57.24 | keithlard | ooh, a book? |
| 11:57.41 | morsing | Cope: But why? |
| 11:57.51 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 12:00.54 | mozrat | Who? |
| 12:02.00 | keithlard | what??? |
| 12:02.24 | Cope | morsing: why migrate from solaris to linux? because ibm won't make *any* money from people running solaris; they will make money from people running linux, especially if they run it on ibm hardware. |
| 12:02.46 | Cope | fairly obvious really |
| 12:02.58 | Cope | they, of course, also have solaris --> aix books too |
| 12:03.03 | Cope | s/too// |
| 12:06.33 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 12:09.32 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 12:09.33 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 12:09.56 | George | hey |
| 12:09.57 | Leeds | you can also run solaris on IBM hardware |
| 12:10.00 | George | Cope: boo |
| 12:10.10 | morsing | Leeds: Yes on the X-series |
| 12:16.55 | JAV | hello |
| 12:17.00 | George | heya |
| 12:21.12 | morsing | George! |
| 12:21.18 | George | morsing! |
| 12:21.44 | Cope | Leeds: ooh, cool |
| 12:25.06 | mozrat | George!! |
| 12:25.26 | George | mozrat!! |
| 12:25.32 | George | MainUnix.o(.text+0x14d): In function `main': |
| 12:25.32 | George | : undefined reference to `NXDriver::NXDriver()' |
| 12:25.33 | George | MainUnix.o(.text+0x1b8): In function `main': |
| 12:25.33 | George | : undefined reference to `NXDriver::Run()' |
| 12:25.33 | George | MainUnix.o(.text+0x1c0): In function `main': |
| 12:25.35 | George | : undefined reference to `NXDriver::~NXDriver()' |
| 12:25.37 | George | CUNTCUNTCUNT |
| 12:25.38 | mozrat | George: I'm using KDE *and* I'm not vomiting blood |
| 12:25.57 | George | mozrat: :D |
| 12:26.39 | mozrat | In fact - it is OK |
| 12:26.54 | mozrat | using it over XDMCP, and the KDE box is running on VMWare |
| 12:26.57 | mozrat | quite a neat setup |
| 12:27.46 | George | :P |
| 12:30.22 | George | haha, some ridiculous 15 year girl on MSN who added me randomly told me that she thought my degree would be shit |
| 12:30.25 | George | rofl |
| 12:31.05 | SlammerXP | she has apoint |
| 12:32.10 | cup | what is you degree? |
| 12:32.22 | cup | your |
| 12:32.26 | cup | degree |
| 12:32.27 | George | Computer Science, if I get AAA in my A levels, or Computer Science/Maths if I don't |
| 12:32.28 | Leeds | hmm... was there no buzzcocks/university challenge last night, or are they just not up yet? |
| 12:34.25 | murb | Leeds: why don't you colocate a dvb-t receiver and a computer with an internet connection in the uk? |
| 12:36.42 | Leeds | it's raining, it's pouring... |
| 12:36.52 | Leeds | murb: I could... it's easier to just download the stuff I want a day later |
| 12:48.08 | morsing | s/hous/shours/ |
| 12:48.18 | George | lol |
| 12:49.00 | Leeds | evening JAV |
| 12:51.01 | George | a pigeon just flew straight into my window |
| 12:51.15 | Leeds | clever people at my bank here... I currently have a chunk of cash in my local current/savings accounts... got an advert for a loan today - of about 15% of my current balance! |
| 12:52.02 | Leeds | surely the point of a personal loan is to allow you to go beyond your means, not stay very comfortably inside them? |
| 12:53.22 | eye69 | Leeds: You could send about 90% of your dosh my way, so you can take that loan. |
| 12:56.02 | Cope | hrm |
| 12:56.12 | Cope | http://www.renewforfreedom.org/ |
| 12:58.33 | keithlard | i need a new passport actually |
| 13:16.34 | wethrin | hello |
| 13:16.49 | George | fatty! |
| 13:17.05 | wethrin | oi! |
| 13:24.52 | mozrat | Who is lonixing tomorrow? |
| 13:25.00 | mozrat | George? |
| 13:25.11 | mozrat | Can I tempt you into reckless debauchery? |
| 13:25.44 | wethrin | Don't forget there's London.pm the day after |
| 13:28.42 | keithlard | what's lonix then |
| 13:28.42 | wethrin | London Unix Users Group |
| 13:28.42 | keithlard | ooh |
| 13:29.05 | keithlard | how is that different from gllug then |
| 13:29.33 | mozrat | keithlard: It's a different group - GLLUG is more educational, Lonix is more beery |
| 13:30.12 | keithlard | :D |
| 13:30.14 | wethrin | Except for Socials :) |
| 13:47.49 | murb | mozrat: except for the talks. |
| 14:19.03 | JAV | but I'm a bit concerned about the new ones, with chip included. I need further reading. They are testing them |
| 14:20.48 | *** join/#gllug simplesimon (n=simplesi@host-87-74-58-111.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 14:21.11 | simplesimon | afternoon all |
| 14:21.20 | JAV | afternoon |
| 14:23.58 | mozrat | hey JAV, simplesimon |
| 14:26.06 | simplesimon | hi moz |
| 14:26.19 | mozrat | hihi |
| 14:27.39 | simplesimon | yet another thing arisen that I'll be looking for help with tomorrow night, you're all forewarned ;) |
| 14:28.17 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:50.52 | z00dax | sure is quiet in here today, guess is not just me with loads of work to get on with then |
| 15:03.49 | wethrin | I'm still writing an abstract |
| 15:05.42 | SlammerXP | i updated my blog |
| 15:06.26 | wethrin | So did I |
| 15:06.29 | wethrin | Where's Slammer's blog? |
| 15:07.41 | Kitty | morning |
| 15:08.38 | wethrin | hello Kitty |
| 15:17.26 | SlammerXP | http://blog.hinterlands.org/ |
| 15:24.20 | SlammerXP | click on the ads while you're there |
| 15:24.35 | SlammerXP | if i get enough money from google, i'kk buy a round at the next gllug meet i attend |
| 15:24.39 | SlammerXP | i'll |
| 15:26.24 | wethrin | When'll that be? :) |
| 15:36.17 | Leeds | at 11pm: thunderstorm warning, red rain warning (order is amber/red/blank where black means schools and businesses closed), flood warning, 23C, 100% humidity |
| 15:38.10 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin) |
| 15:40.45 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 15:42.20 | stephanb2 | cu guys l8r |
| 15:42.24 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 15:45.56 | Erwin | hiya |
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| 16:03.12 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (n=none@cpc1-pint1-0-0-cust951.popl.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:05.14 | Marios_ | does anybody know of a cheap dedicated server provider ? I need a basic dedicated server. |
| 16:05.48 | Leeds | how cheap, and would a virtual server do? |
| 16:06.38 | Leeds | oh, and hey, good morning Marios_ ! :-) |
| 16:06.51 | Marios_ | depends what the virtual server includes |
| 16:06.54 | Marios_ | hey Leeds :) |
| 16:07.27 | Leeds | when I say virtual server, I mean in a Xen/UML way - a virtual machine |
| 16:08.00 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 16:08.09 | Leeds | I, along with at least one or two other people around here, have a virtual machine at bytemark |
| 16:08.28 | mozrat | me me! |
| 16:08.30 | Marios_ | what is their website ? I 'll take a look |
| 16:08.34 | Marios_ | hey moz |
| 16:08.37 | Leeds | uh, bytemark.co.uk :-) |
| 16:10.12 | Leeds | Marios_: if you sign up, tell them I sent you :-) |
| 16:11.11 | Marios_ | sure. |
| 16:11.22 | Marios_ | which package do you have? 80Mb RAM? |
| 16:12.11 | Leeds | yup |
| 16:12.34 | Marios_ | I am thinking whether is enough |
| 16:12.40 | Marios_ | what are you running there? |
| 16:13.14 | z00dax | you can get some really cheap physical machines in .de these days... |
| 16:13.46 | Leeds | at the moment, apache, sshd, a persistent python process (under screen), exim, spamd, dovecot, bind |
| 16:14.25 | SlammerXP | i have a deal with a german company, we can get a 3ghz celery, 0.5gb ram, 40gb hd in a half depth 1u case for under 300ukp |
| 16:14.35 | Leeds | z00dax: to be honest, I'd prefer a virtual machine in the UK to a physical one in .de |
| 16:14.38 | wethrin | SlammerXP: per year? |
| 16:14.58 | SlammerXP | no, that's the physical machien |
| 16:15.00 | SlammerXP | machine |
| 16:15.09 | SlammerXP | i.e. a complete computer |
| 16:15.25 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 16:15.26 | SlammerXP | i can host 1u in the uk for under 400 |
| 16:15.26 | wethrin | Nice |
| 16:15.38 | z00dax | Leeds: humm...why ? lots of .uk companies selling hosting services are phyiscally parked in the .us or .de |
| 16:15.51 | z00dax | SlammerXP: what sort of b/w ? |
| 16:15.54 | wethrin | SlammerXP: In, or outside, London? |
| 16:16.05 | Leeds | z00dax: okay... I would prefer a UK company - particularly a Linux-friendly one |
| 16:16.08 | wethrin | z00dax: www.exonetric.com |
| 16:16.15 | SlammerXP | z00dax: lots. we have a "don't take the piss" agreement |
| 16:16.17 | SlammerXP | wethrin: in |
| 16:16.41 | wethrin | SlammerXP: Ooh. I'm paying a touch over £400/year for my 1U |
| 16:17.29 | z00dax | wethrin: exonetric sound expensive |
| 16:17.47 | wethrin | They're cheaper than anything else I've seen for 1U hosting |
| 16:18.03 | wethrin | At least without going to some awful place like Manchester : |
| 16:18.04 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:19.43 | z00dax | Telehouse is within shouting distance from me, here |
| 16:20.05 | wethrin | Hmm. For 250GB/month, Exonetric wouldn't be cheap |
| 16:20.19 | wethrin | Well, you'd have to have a special agreement |
| 16:20.43 | wethrin | So 40 is more than enough |
| 16:20.51 | z00dax | 2 gigs is < 1 dvd iso image. |
| 16:21.09 | wethrin | Yes. But I don't download that to my colo box |
| 16:21.15 | wethrin | There wouldn't be much point |
| 16:21.23 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:21.44 | SlammerXP | i do 2 -3 gigs a day |
| 16:21.48 | z00dax | maybe mozrat can host the box under his table or something... he has a few megs/sec link ? |
| 16:23.32 | z00dax | or maybe not |
| 16:26.00 | Leeds | bedtime... g'night all |
| 16:26.07 | z00dax | Leeds: nite |
| 16:28.45 | stephen | z00dax: I'd host it for £75 a month |
| 16:29.28 | z00dax | stephen: where ? |
| 16:29.29 | *** part/#gllug cup (n=alex@netvoya-adsl.demon.co.uk) |
| 16:29.39 | stephen | Telehouse |
| 16:33.58 | z00dax | stephen: do you have a url for the organisation ? |
| 16:35.27 | stephen | pih-uk.com, but there's not much to look at (yet) |
| 16:37.14 | stephen | both of us are final year students, so we have other priorities :p |
| 16:39.25 | z00dax | right, there really isnt anything much to look at |
| 16:39.32 | z00dax | who do you peer with ? |
| 16:39.42 | z00dax | as in do you guys have your own rack there ? |
| 16:40.06 | stephen | nope, we take rackspace from lchost.co.uk, and bandwidth from them plus catalyst2.com |
| 16:43.17 | z00dax | are you sure its worth your efforts to host a machine thats going to pretty much take up a 400 - 600kb/sec link |
| 16:50.19 | stephen | yer, we'd have no issues supporting that kind of usage, and we'd be making a bit off it too, which is always preferable |
| 16:50.55 | z00dax | stephen: and can i get physical access to the machine as well ? |
| 16:51.10 | stephen | 24 hours a day, you'd need to phone in advance though |
| 16:51.29 | z00dax | ok, how much in advance ? |
| 16:51.37 | stephen | 30 mins should be plenty |
| 16:51.46 | z00dax | that works for me |
| 16:51.59 | z00dax | i spend 10 hrs /day in the docklands area anyway |
| 16:51.59 | SlammerXP | except weekends, bank holidays, lunch hours, and the day after gllug meetings :) |
| 16:52.31 | z00dax | SlammerXP: most of those days, i'd not be that much interested in going to a DC anyway |
| 16:53.25 | stephen | you mean you don't love the aircon that sucks the life out of you and the constant noise? :) |
| 16:53.58 | z00dax | the aircon i like |
| 16:54.06 | z00dax | the noise is why i dont want that 1U sitting in my house anymore |
| 17:39.19 | Cope | i like both |
| 17:39.24 | Cope | but i am odd |
| 17:42.31 | mozrat | me confims Copes assertion |
| 17:45.41 | Cope | both of them? |
| 17:46.17 | mozrat | yes |
| 17:46.31 | stephen | weird people |
| 17:46.41 | mozrat | time for food! |
| 17:48.01 | Cope | "on the client devalias has been set up as shown (in bold)" |
| 17:48.15 | Cope | dear gavin, |
| 17:48.27 | Cope | I have no fucking idea which but is bold. |
| 17:49.01 | Cope | Please piss off until you learn how to add emphasis without resorting to a markup language. |
| 17:49.08 | Cope | KTHX |
| 17:49.09 | Cope | S. |
| 17:52.41 | mozrat | Cope: on the gllug ml? |
| 17:53.28 | Cope | mozrat: sunmanagers |
| 17:55.07 | mozrat | ah |
| 17:57.38 | morsing | Woo |
| 17:58.26 | morsing | Where does screen store output? |
| 18:10.40 | rhowe | heh |
| 18:10.43 | rhowe | gLabels++ |
| 18:10.53 | rhowe | It allows you to design business cards with barcodes :P |
| 18:18.53 | Cope | rhowe! |
| 18:22.07 | murb | rhowe: or fake library tickets? |
| 18:22.26 | murb | borrow books on someone elses account! |
| 18:22.27 | SlammerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/images/abmx-tile.png |
| 18:22.37 | SlammerXP | love? hate? indifferent? |
| 18:22.50 | murb | (i pointed out these problems at uni and they installed CCTV on the self issue machines!) |
| 18:23.44 | rhowe | murb: heh, probably :) |
| 18:30.37 | murb | i rember using some latex package to produce the bar codes iirc. |
| 18:31.09 | morsing | rhowe? |
| 18:31.23 | rhowe | morsing? |
| 18:31.30 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, IIRC there is one |
| 18:31.30 | SlammerXP | there's a perl module which generates barcodes quite happily |
| 18:34.07 | morsing | rhowe: Where does screen store output? |
| 18:34.14 | rhowe | morsing: RAM? |
| 18:34.29 | morsing | rhowe: Cool |
| 18:39.53 | rhowe | OK, way past hometime |
| 18:44.06 | z00dax | is there anyway to get irssi to get adjust time away from UTC ? |
| 18:44.21 | z00dax | my server rus on utc, but i' rather see the logs and timestamps in my local time |
| 18:45.09 | rhowe | TZ=foo irssi? |
| 18:46.17 | morsing | WOW! Threatening message from ebayer! |
| 18:46.17 | boudiccas | z00dax; any success with epylog?# |
| 18:46.48 | morsing | God, that's weird |
| 18:47.04 | morsing | ibot whois ernie.nmlogic.com |
| 18:51.24 | morsing | ping rhowe |
| 18:51.48 | z00dax | boudiccas: not yet, have not had the time to look |
| 18:51.59 | z00dax | boudiccas: I'll look see in a few minutes now |
| 18:54.31 | boudiccas | z00dax; k, np also clamav threw up another warning today of a new version alhtough i haven't seen it appear yet in fedora extras |
| 18:58.57 | morsing | Anyone here awake? |
| 18:59.40 | boudiccas | no |
| 19:01.06 | SlammerXP | not me |
| 19:04.11 | z00dax | boudiccas: the 88.2 release isnt that critical |
| 19:09.04 | morsing | Last unsuccessful login: Sun 30 Apr 10:35:07 2006 on ssh from bsd.local.net |
| 19:09.33 | z00dax | wasent me |
| 19:09.55 | SlammerXP | me either |
| 19:10.36 | stephen | morsing: check the logs, which should contain the actual IP address |
| 19:11.46 | stephen | unless, of course, bsd.local.net is one of your machines |
| 19:13.09 | morsing | stephen: It's likely |
| 19:13.49 | *** join/#gllug keithlard (n=john@host217-34-140-129.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 19:14.25 | boudiccas | z00dax; k, i'll just igonre its warnings then. ty :) |
| 19:16.16 | z00dax | keithlard |
| 19:16.48 | z00dax | boudiccas: just make sure you have the definitions updated, and i think 88-2 should be on the repo in the next 24 hrs time |
| 19:19.11 | boudiccas | z00dax; smashing, ty |
| 19:20.49 | keithlard | hi all |
| 19:21.19 | boudiccas | keithlard; no cup of tea too? :) |
| 19:23.12 | z00dax | any known issues with ext3/selinux context markup over a ntfs/win64 partition ? |
| 19:24.06 | z00dax | humm.... yes i know, there are some loosers out there who will run win64/ntfs on large bigass machines. |
| 19:28.09 | z00dax | I wonder how fast ms-dos 3.3 runs on a 4 way Xeon/3Ghz |
| 19:28.13 | z00dax | would it even boot ! |
| 19:29.10 | z00dax | keithlard: never got your lspci -n list |
| 19:29.23 | rhowe | keithlard: Hey |
| 19:30.16 | keithlard | sorry i haven't even had a chance to metabolise oxygen today :) |
| 19:31.00 | z00dax | what then, are you doing with the Oxygen ? |
| 19:33.05 | keithlard | it's just accumulating in my in-tray :S |
| 19:46.31 | morsing | Yay |
| 19:48.38 | morsing | keithlard: Can I have it? |
| 19:50.49 | keithlard | i'll waft it your way! |
| 19:57.37 | keithlard | ok night all |
| 19:57.53 | z00dax | keithlard: nite |
| 21:35.59 | z00dax | Router Uptime: 1 days 0 hours 23 minutes 5 seconds |
| 21:36.38 | z00dax | Pvirt0 Connection Dropped : 73 times |
| 21:36.49 | z00dax | Welcome to the world of Adsl-max |
| 21:44.43 | *** join/#gllug AndrewBlack (n=chatzill@81.2.66.249) |
| 21:51.42 | rhowe | hm, firefox 1.5.0.3's out |
| 21:51.57 | rhowe | Suprise suprise, a complicated web browser has security holes |
| 21:57.08 | *** join/#gllug George_ (i=authdeni@vm.gwright.org.uk) |
| 21:57.42 | George_ | FUCKING. PENIS. |
| 21:57.47 | George_ | power JUST came back on |
| 21:59.57 | rhowe | George: New Firefox. Go update. |
| 22:00.07 | George | rhowe: I use Konqueror |
| 22:00.21 | George | z00dax: ping |
| 22:00.25 | George | The fair use policy is different depending on which plan you choose. If you choose the £7.50 web n walk it is not to be used for other activities such as modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video download ,internet based telephony, and internet based Instant Messaging. The £10 web n walk is limited to 2gb which can be used on anything. |
| 22:00.31 | George | You can use it on 3g and you won't need to have a different sim card, as long as you have 3g phone. |
| 22:10.02 | z00dax | i bet Konq has a few holes in there too - just its not worth fixing for all those 15 people who use it |
| 22:51.15 | George | bah |
| 23:23.02 | mozrat | Good morning chums |
| 23:23.17 | George | hey mozzy |
| 23:23.22 | mozrat | hey! |
| 23:23.42 | mozrat | School not been paying their power bills again? |
| 23:23.43 | z00dax | mozrat: ! |
| 23:23.47 | mozrat | hi z00dax |
| 23:23.53 | cpufreak | meh |
| 23:24.21 | mozrat | hi cpufreak |
| 23:24.31 | George | mozrat: hah |
| 23:24.44 | wethrin | RAR |
| 23:25.19 | z00dax | all the lurkers emerge |
| 23:25.30 | George | hahaha |
| 23:28.31 | George | and they go away again. |
| 23:28.46 | mozrat | anyone else know who Sheriff John Burnell is? |
| 23:31.27 | z00dax | late night tv is bad for you |
| 23:31.28 | mozrat | Bah, you guys don't watch enough shit TV |
| 23:31.39 | mozrat | "Worlds Wildest Police Chases"? |
| 23:31.48 | z00dax | yes that too |
| 23:32.03 | mozrat | "Prisoners out of control"? |
| 23:32.07 | mozrat | C'mon!! |
| 23:32.14 | z00dax | ooohh...i've never seen thatone |
| 23:32.28 | mozrat | ITC2 right now |
| 23:32.34 | mozrat | ITV2 |
| 23:32.44 | z00dax | humm i'll need to go downstairs for that... |
| 23:32.45 | z00dax | pass |
| 23:32.50 | George | haha |
| 23:32.53 | George | lazy bastard. |
| 23:33.28 | mozrat | http://jeffcosheriff.net/images/album/DSCN07631.jpg |
| 23:33.37 | mozrat | look at those white white teeth |
| 23:35.18 | z00dax | whiter than his shirt |
| 23:39.41 | mozrat | George: Are you able to escape to Lonix tomorrow? |
| 23:40.31 | George | no |
| 23:40.56 | mozrat | Shame |
| 23:41.53 | z00dax | I am going to be working late |
| 23:42.49 | mozrat | Shame!! |
| 23:44.38 | mozrat | George Wright => http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Wright_George_2.jpg |
| 23:45.04 | mozrat | George Wright => http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/jefferson/ppp/wrightgeorge.jpg |
| 23:45.12 | George | yes, because those people are obviously me. |
| 23:45.43 | mozrat | George Wright => http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/portland/vollum_wright-1968.jpg |
| 23:47.56 | mozrat | There are a few kbsinghs as well |
| 23:48.07 | mozrat | http://images.google.com/images?q=karanbir+singh&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images |
| 23:49.34 | z00dax | none of them look lik me, so i am safe for now |
| 23:51.05 | George | lol |
| 23:52.09 | z00dax | none of them look lik me, so i am safe for nowB |
| 23:53.09 | z00dax | humm |
| 23:53.19 | z00dax | anyone know about johnnyg pizza's in .au ? |
| 23:53.30 | mozrat | nope |
| 23:54.22 | z00dax | zzz time |
| 23:55.01 | George | hrmm |
| 23:55.18 | mozrat | nn z00dax |
| 23:55.26 | mozrat | I think I'll join you. |
| 23:55.26 | mozrat | ummm |
| 23:55.32 | mozrat | I'm also going to bed |
| 23:55.41 | George | mozrat: freudian slip? |
| 23:56.08 | mozrat | George: Yep |
| 23:56.19 | mozrat | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=george+wright&word2=simon+morris :( |
| 23:57.06 | mozrat | Hmm, George beats kbsingh as well |
| 23:57.23 | George | :P |
| 23:57.25 | mozrat | George, yo *are* the best |
| 23:59.19 | mozrat | nn |
