| 00:05.28 | z00dax | George, yes - i will be there |
| 00:05.46 | z00dax | arika-chan, cpufreak hey! |
| 00:05.58 | cpufreak | heyas z00dax |
| 00:06.01 | cpufreak | how goes? |
| 00:09.19 | z00dax | coujust got back home - after a night out clubbing |
| 00:09.49 | z00dax | funny thing is - my total liquid consuption = 1 sprite, 1 diet coke and half a pepsi |
| 00:11.08 | cpufreak | heh |
| 00:11.18 | cpufreak | bit early to get in from clubbing isn't it? |
| 00:11.41 | cpufreak | I don't tend to club much anymore, but fabric, turnmills and the like are usually open til at least 5am |
| 00:14.00 | z00dax | we started early |
| 00:14.08 | z00dax | plus i was getting internet withdrawls |
| 00:14.46 | cpufreak | heh |
| 00:14.53 | cpufreak | I'd a great time the last week |
| 00:14.56 | cpufreak | was pretty much offline |
| 00:15.16 | cpufreak | was in france for easter (thursday->monday morning) |
| 00:15.18 | cpufreak | visting my sister |
| 00:15.27 | z00dax | great / offline - when used in the same phrase tend to give me the shivvers |
| 00:15.56 | arika-chan | hiya |
| 00:16.06 | cpufreak | and then flew to belfast on monday evening to spend the week driving porsches (911s, caymans and boxsters on race tracks + road, and cayennes off road) |
| 00:16.12 | cpufreak | which rocked |
| 00:16.33 | mozrat | hmm |
| 00:17.16 | mozrat | nn |
| 00:18.29 | cpufreak | nite |
| 00:19.43 | z00dax | mozrat, nite |
| 00:19.54 | z00dax | mozrat, glad to read u got the dvd-rw working! |
| 00:22.38 | z00dax | looks like apt-rpm is being brought back to life |
| 00:22.50 | cpufreak | heh |
| 00:23.45 | cpufreak | about 5 years ago, when I was working for my uni, I was working on a 'debian.rpm' - an rpm which would pretty much bootstrap a redhat box, and convert it to debian, whilst ensuring you got the equiv deb packages installed for each of you rpms |
| 00:23.56 | cpufreak | unfortunately I quit uni before making any appreciable progress |
| 00:24.02 | cpufreak | and didn't have time after that |
| 00:24.05 | cpufreak | so abandoned it |
| 00:24.50 | z00dax | not sure what the point of that would be |
| 00:25.12 | z00dax | take a look at smartpm - that might give you something of that nature, without needing to redo major portions of the distro |
| 00:26.42 | cpufreak | well, the uni I was at, was using the SGI Redhat-XFS thing (circa redhat 7.1-7.3), and SGI said they were discontinuing the modified distribution |
| 00:26.55 | z00dax | oh yea - they did that |
| 00:27.00 | cpufreak | and as I've a pathlogical hate for rpm's lack of decent dependancy handling |
| 00:27.08 | z00dax | err ? |
| 00:27.12 | cpufreak | I was pushing for them to migrate to debian |
| 00:27.22 | z00dax | rpm handles deps far better than deb's ever did |
| 00:27.43 | z00dax | even suggests and enhances have been around long enough now |
| 00:28.41 | cpufreak | my experience with redhat (started using redhat circa 4.3), was that rpms were a bunch of arse |
| 00:28.43 | cpufreak | ymmv |
| 00:29.14 | cpufreak | moved to debian when slink (2.1) came out, and haven't deviated from it as a linux distribution since, as it just works. |
| 00:29.51 | z00dax | ok, i personally find rpm to be far more advanced than dpkg / .deb's |
| 00:29.59 | cpufreak | fair enough |
| 00:30.08 | cpufreak | as I said, mileage varies for each user :) |
| 00:30.30 | z00dax | :) |
| 00:31.41 | cpufreak | and if everyone agreed on everything, life would be a fucking boring place to be in |
| 00:31.51 | z00dax | and we'd all be using Mirc |
| 00:31.56 | cpufreak | indeed |
| 00:32.25 | cpufreak | maybe thats what drives perfectly 'normal' people to drug addiction - not enough contraversy and excitment.. :p |
| 00:38.17 | z00dax | I am off now, cya'll later in the day |
| 00:41.00 | cpufreak | ciao |
| 06:31.35 | morsing | 'morning |
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| 06:46.32 | morsing | puckman! |
| 06:47.03 | puckman | morsing! |
| 06:47.31 | morsing | How are you? |
| 06:49.22 | puckman | about to get married |
| 06:49.33 | puckman | ^_^ |
| 06:49.38 | morsing | Lucky you |
| 06:50.38 | puckman | yeah |
| 06:52.34 | morsing | Can I install Ubuntu over the 'net? |
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| 06:59.07 | morsing | puckman_afk! |
| 06:59.40 | puckman_afk | grrr, something weird with my net connection |
| 07:00.12 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 07:00.13 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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| 07:56.23 | mozrat | morning |
| 08:07.18 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:07.27 | mozrat | hihi |
| 08:07.36 | morsing | Xen? |
| 08:07.43 | mozrat | when an op turns up could they change the topic pls |
| 08:07.46 | mozrat | Xen? |
| 08:10.43 | AndrewBlack | Hi mozrat. |
| 08:12.38 | morsing | AndrewBlack! |
| 08:12.47 | AndrewBlack | How do I get my picuture on http://silenceisdefeat.org/~mozrat/gllug/ |
| 08:12.50 | morsing | mozrat: How do I Xenify an existing OS? |
| 08:13.06 | AndrewBlack | Hi morsing. Coming to the meeting today/ drink after? |
| 08:14.07 | morsing | AndrewBlack: Can't I'm afraid |
| 08:16.00 | AndrewBlack | Sorry about that - maybe some other time. |
| 08:19.46 | AndrewBlack | Does anyone know if Solaris (sparc) or AIX has any virtualisation features |
| 08:22.31 | morsing | AIX has all the virtualisation features you can imagine/dream of plus more you've never even thought of |
| 08:22.48 | morsing | Solaris is coming out with some basic stuff in the next release |
| 08:23.07 | morsing | Anyone here know much about Xen? |
| 08:23.50 | morsing | When the POWER6 chip for AIX is released later this year it will take virtualisation of out this world |
| 08:32.00 | mozrat | AndrewBlack: mail it to me simon.morris@cmtww.com |
| 08:32.46 | AndrewBlack | Ok will do (for a moment I thought I was meant to be mailing a virtual AIX or something .....) |
| 08:33.04 | mozrat | yeah, send one of them over as well :) |
| 08:33.21 | AndrewBlack | morsing - I would like a chat about AIX virtualisation somewhen. Bit busy today. |
| 08:49.30 | morsing | AndrewBlack: 'k |
| 09:00.22 | murb | morsing: i thought power6 *only* worked with a hypervisor |
| 09:01.54 | murb | morsing: you know ibm have ported Xen to PPC? |
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| 09:22.37 | morsing | murb: POWER5 *only* works with a hypervisor |
| 09:22.37 | morsing | And what's your point? Why would you not use a hypervisor |
| 09:22.43 | morsing | And what would be the bloody point of porting Xen?!?!? |
| 09:23.06 | morsing | murb: Where's my movie clip? |
| 09:23.33 | z00dax | afaik, the Xen/ppc code is extremly broken at this time.... ( but its been a few months since i looked last ) |
| 09:23.59 | morsing | I think when you say PPC you mean really old systems |
| 09:24.02 | morsing | RS/6000 |
| 09:24.18 | z00dax | power4/power5 |
| 09:24.19 | morsing | And AIX would support it anyway |
| 09:24.30 | morsing | z00dax: That's stupid |
| 09:24.31 | z00dax | thats the target Xen/ppc is working against |
| 09:24.39 | morsing | That's stupid |
| 09:25.41 | z00dax | i suppose ibm thinks they are going to be seeling more machines with linux than aix |
| 09:25.52 | morsing | No they don't |
| 09:26.14 | morsing | And why Xen anyway? Linux works with IBM's hypervisor which it 10 times better |
| 09:26.44 | morsing | Linux is very much a small niche market for IBM and they openly admit that |
| 09:27.40 | morsing | Linux servers sold / AIX servers sold must be close to 0.001 as far I I can tell |
| 09:28.03 | z00dax | depends on what market you look at, i suppose |
| 09:28.08 | murb | morsing: because IBM want to make things look as if they are supporting an open standard |
| 09:28.15 | z00dax | ibm sold 2 aix machines in india in second half of 2005 |
| 09:28.27 | z00dax | compared with 4.5k linux openpower |
| 09:28.31 | morsing | z00dax: What market would buy a 1mill server and run Linux on it when AIX is a 100 times better> |
| 09:28.35 | morsing | ? |
| 09:28.54 | z00dax | if you look at numbers, not many people buy a 1mill server |
| 09:29.05 | morsing | z00dax: But why????? |
| 09:29.26 | morsing | But why buy a 10k server with Linux then? |
| 09:29.28 | z00dax | disclaimer: I dont know ibm insiders the way you would... so please take my side of the story with a pinch of salt |
| 09:30.07 | murb | morsing: because you are used to solaris and moving from solaris to linux can be a pleasant experience moving from solaris to aix less so. |
| 09:30.11 | morsing | Well, I understand that but if you're looking at buying a server and want Linux, why go for a 10k server which is pretty much the cheapest they sell |
| 09:30.27 | morsing | murb: Stop being an idiot |
| 09:30.43 | morsing | murb: You need to learn to only talk about things you know something about |
| 09:33.11 | z00dax | the main problem with aix is major vendor lockin |
| 09:33.33 | z00dax | and the complete and total lack of manpowe availability in developing markets |
| 09:34.00 | z00dax | s/manpowe/manpower |
| 09:34.05 | z00dax | doh! |
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| 09:34.59 | George | GRRRRR |
| 09:35.10 | George | school internet has died completely |
| 09:36.05 | z00dax | George, i bet its your fault |
| 09:36.24 | George | z00dax: no |
| 09:36.34 | George | z00dax: westminster uni, who we buy our bandwidth off, has gone done |
| 09:36.39 | George | s/done/down/ |
| 09:36.49 | George | and our ADSL line has miraculously failed too |
| 09:36.52 | z00dax | the univ has gone down ? |
| 09:37.28 | George | their internet connectivity has gone down |
| 09:37.44 | z00dax | enforce the SLA! |
| 09:37.58 | George | SLA? |
| 09:38.47 | murb | the non existant service level agreement. |
| 09:39.00 | George | heh. |
| 09:39.11 | George | I just had a fight with my Orange phone to get on GPRS |
| 09:39.26 | z00dax | oh no. i am going to need one of those later in the day today |
| 09:39.46 | George | ran out of credit, forgot my 4-digit security code, phoned up orangephone hung up twice, ended up talking to a robot who finally managed to top up my phone |
| 09:40.21 | George | z00dax: and I phoned up to get my Orange World Access Daily, and it was applied to my account immediately again |
| 09:40.42 | z00dax | humm... 450 option 2 ? |
| 09:41.01 | George | z00dax: option 3 I think |
| 09:41.06 | George | z00dax: can't remember :) |
| 09:41.06 | z00dax | ok let me try this |
| 09:41.19 | George | z00dax: something like 450 -> 3 -> 5 -> 1 -> 1 |
| 09:41.20 | rhowe | murb: Ever heard of an ISP/colo provider called conne(ct|x)ions4london? |
| 09:41.49 | murb | rhowe: i don't think i have. |
| 09:41.56 | rhowe | murb: Based in London |
| 09:41.59 | rhowe | err.. Bournemouth |
| 09:42.28 | murb | oh a regional isp.. |
| 09:42.31 | George | London = Bournemouth |
| 09:42.36 | George | according to rhowe :P |
| 09:42.39 | rhowe | heh |
| 09:42.51 | rhowe | murb: They seem fairly OK, although small |
| 09:43.05 | rhowe | murb: Plus, they can get us a 2M leased line fairly cheap |
| 09:43.05 | z00dax | give it another 100 years, and it will be one massive urban landmass anyway |
| 09:43.20 | rhowe | z00dax: In 100 years, bournemouth might be underwater :) |
| 09:43.27 | z00dax | and that.. |
| 09:43.45 | George | hah, you'll all be dead in 100 years |
| 09:43.51 | rhowe | Anyone planning to do anything to honour George tomorrow? |
| 09:44.26 | z00dax | rhowe, he'll be there today - we can start by getting him drunk.... |
| 09:44.36 | murb | z00dax: and then arrested? |
| 09:44.49 | rhowe | murb: With phone calls to parents involved? I think so |
| 09:44.57 | rhowe | George: Will you be wanting a burger? |
| 09:45.03 | George | tomorrow? |
| 09:45.06 | George | surely it's doay? |
| 09:45.15 | z00dax | :) |
| 09:45.15 | George | s/doay/today/ |
| 09:45.17 | rhowe | George: Your day is tomorrow |
| 09:45.27 | rhowe | ~google george's day |
| 09:45.31 | murb | rhowe: or the organisation that has parental responsability |
| 09:45.38 | George | oh, St George |
| 09:46.00 | murb | rhowe: I belive the parents of george outsource the parenting bit. |
| 09:46.06 | rhowe | murb: Ah yes, George's parents have handed off all responsibility, haven't they? |
| 09:46.26 | murb | rhowe: yep to some school or other. |
| 09:46.40 | murb | he was talking yesterday about getting permission to go to gllug from the school. |
| 09:46.42 | rhowe | 'school' |
| 09:46.56 | George | I've got permission |
| 09:48.42 | murb | rhowe: yep the outsourced parents of george. |
| 09:50.00 | rhowe | He's panicking about eccles cakes |
| 09:53.56 | rhowe | murb: Anyway, we've been quoted about £4.5k/year w/free install for a 2M leased line (copper, not LES10 throttled down) |
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| 09:54.32 | murb | rhowe: so 375 quid / month? |
| 09:54.41 | murb | and you will be in 020 7? |
| 09:54.47 | rhowe | murb: Yeah.. it was somewhere between 350 and 400 |
| 09:54.53 | rhowe | murb: Yep, in the square mile |
| 09:55.51 | murb | rhowe: certainly should be lots of competiton in that area. |
| 09:56.10 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, there is, but nobody seems to do a leased line for under 4k/year |
| 09:56.16 | murb | rhowe: have you seen some of the companies like HSO(high speed office) that provide connectivity via laser links off tall buildings? |
| 09:56.29 | rhowe | murb: newnet do 3995 w/2k install or thereabouts, but their SLA didn't look so attractive |
| 09:57.20 | murb | rhowe: my ex companies ex isp didn't care about their SLA when a building contractor cut lots of copper into moorgate exchange. |
| 09:57.36 | wethrin | hello |
| 09:58.06 | rhowe | murb: Well, some SLAs don't cover circuits external to the company or something like that |
| 09:58.48 | George | z00dax: do you still have my super duper laminated namecard? |
| 09:59.31 | murb | rhowe: or acts of god, but then atheism comes in handy. |
| 10:00.15 | murb | for instance a failure of london flood defences would be just that. |
| 10:01.06 | z00dax | George, i might :) |
| 10:01.25 | George | z00dax: I want it back |
| 10:01.31 | z00dax | George, ok |
| 10:01.48 | George | z00dax: I've just restocked on normal cards |
| 10:02.15 | z00dax | whats abnormal about the rest ? |
| 10:02.28 | rhowe | murb: There are people offerring laser-through-air services |
| 10:02.38 | rhowe | murb: Not covering the building we're in, though |
| 10:02.50 | George | z00dax: they aren't laminated |
| 10:03.09 | murb | rhowe: so you'll depend on BT or C&W? |
| 10:03.20 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, I think they use BT as a carrier |
| 10:03.29 | rhowe | murb: MCI wanted £££ |
| 10:05.59 | George | z00dax: know anything about using infrared to connect to GPRS? |
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| 10:06.59 | George | yo z00-mob |
| 10:06.59 | z00dax | George, ifra stuff just comes up as serial devices |
| 10:07.11 | George | z00dax: ok |
| 10:07.27 | z00-mob | heyaGeorge |
| 10:08.20 | z00-mob | oh man irc from the mobile phone sux |
| 10:08.38 | George | haha |
| 10:09.42 | z00-mob | i wonder if there is any way to reduce the font size |
| 10:10.07 | George | P900? |
| 10:10.35 | z00-mob | this is the motorola |
| 10:10.54 | George | oh |
| 10:11.09 | George | you have IRC on the phone itself?? |
| 10:12.11 | George | a friend of mine is giving me his P900 for free |
| 10:12.17 | z00-mob | yes |
| 10:14.54 | z00-mob | the 900 has Lots of screen space for this sort of things |
| 10:31.12 | murb | atleast not over a 10mb hub. |
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| 10:43.30 | AndrewBlack | Hi There. A topic for the pub tonight - Can anyone recommend tools for uploads to Flickr (or other sites come to that ) from Linux. |
| 10:49.26 | rhowe | AndrewBlack: Gallery (gallery.sf.net) has Gallery Remote - a Java application which allows you to upload to a gallery site |
| 10:49.47 | rhowe | AndrewBlack: It also has a plugin for Windows XP's "Publish to web" feature or somesuch |
| 10:50.07 | rhowe | AndrewBlack: I haven't used any such tools, though |
| 10:53.19 | rhowe | heh, there's a guy over on #xfs who's using convertfs |
| 10:55.51 | AndrewBlack | rhowe: cheers |
| 11:00.49 | rhowe | hm? |
| 11:01.00 | rhowe | wethrin: Are you around London today |
| 11:01.01 | rhowe | ? |
| 11:01.24 | wethrin | I'm not |
| 11:01.45 | wethrin | I'm currently using a 2.4 kernel with sarge |
| 11:01.57 | wethrin | (default stuff) |
| 11:02.04 | rhowe | Debian's 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:02.06 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 11:02.18 | wethrin | Can I update to a newer 2.4 kernel trivially, without causing everything to go tits-up? |
| 11:02.35 | rhowe | Does it use udev? |
| 11:03.02 | rhowe | (is /dev mounted as a tmpfs filesystem?) |
| 11:03.53 | rhowe | hm.. do I walk to Gllug? |
| 11:03.58 | wethrin | Ummm |
| 11:04.19 | wethrin | Don't know, and can't tell you right now |
| 11:04.26 | wethrin | What does sarge use by default? :)\ |
| 11:04.31 | rhowe | heh. crazy |
| 11:05.09 | rhowe | "Prices like these make you think about getting a smaller car". "If prices stay as high as these, we just won't be able to afford to drive" |
| 11:05.13 | wethrin | Ehh. I don't really care about the internythings. I just want it to fucking work |
| 11:05.15 | rhowe | Well.. er... good! |
| 11:05.16 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:05.30 | wethrin | Smallers cars are good for commuting, etc. |
| 11:05.39 | rhowe | wethrin: I don't think it does use udev |
| 11:05.43 | rhowe | wethrin: I think you'll be fine |
| 11:05.54 | wethrin | And if I needed a larger car for transport, then I can always rent one |
| 11:06.14 | wethrin | And it won't try and stick a 2.6 kernel on me? |
| 11:06.16 | rhowe | (so long as you configure the kernel correctly :) |
| 11:06.20 | wethrin | Gah. |
| 11:06.31 | wethrin | Can't it just somehow pick up what the existing config was? |
| 11:06.45 | rhowe | wethrin: Have a look at /proc - see if there's a file called config.gz |
| 11:06.50 | wethrin | Ahha |
| 11:06.53 | rhowe | wethrin: Also, I think Debian sticks the kernel config in /boot somewhere |
| 11:07.10 | wethrin | Well, most importantly - it won't break md, will it? |
| 11:07.17 | rhowe | wethrin: make-kpkg is the canonical way to build kernels on Debian, but I've never (yet) used it |
| 11:07.33 | wethrin | I had trouble with FreeBSD breaking RAID stuff when updating versions |
| 11:07.36 | rhowe | wethrin: I doubt it. You could download the source package for the Debian kernel and see if they have any patches there |
| 11:08.23 | wethrin | I'd like a pain-free way :) |
| 11:08.41 | rhowe | make-kpkg, then |
| 11:08.45 | rhowe | It'll build a .deb for you |
| 11:08.50 | wethrin | Of course, then I'll probably find that the developers haven't bothered updating the SATA drivers in 2.4 |
| 11:09.04 | wethrin | I'd prefer not to use an experimental 2.6 kernel |
| 11:09.09 | rhowe | I'd be tempted to use 2.6 if you can |
| 11:09.15 | rhowe | But then you're stuck with regular updates |
| 11:09.26 | wethrin | Why, if it happens to work? |
| 11:10.02 | rhowe | 'cause once a new version is released, the version you're running is no longer maintained |
| 11:10.17 | wethrin | Yes, but if it works, I'm not going to bothered too much |
| 11:10.38 | rhowe | Since there are security fixes regularly, you might be |
| 11:10.46 | wethrin | Nah |
| 11:10.56 | wethrin | I'm the only person using it. It can't be accessed by the Big Bad World |
| 11:11.00 | rhowe | Say you're running 2.6.16.9 (current version) and a security hole is found, 2.6.16.10 will come out |
| 11:11.11 | wethrin | And if someone gets physical access to the box, I have other problems to worry about |
| 11:11.30 | rhowe | But if 2.6.17 is out, it'll be 2.6.17.1 - no updates to 2.6.16 (at least by the kernel folks - I don't know if anyone apart from distributions maintains a 'stable' 2.6.x kernel |
| 11:11.49 | rhowe | wethrin: Somone's going to know that you like midget goat pr0n? |
| 11:12.00 | wethrin | Yeah, hence I'd like to avoid 2.6 |
| 11:12.19 | rhowe | hm, I sense that needs a /topic |
| 11:12.26 | wethrin | Because the kernel used to have a KNOWN system of numbering. And then they go and fuck it up, for no useful reason |
| 11:12.27 | rhowe | 12:11 < rhowe> wethrin: Somone's going to know that you like midget goat pr0n? |
| 11:12.27 | rhowe | 12:12 < wethrin> Yeah, hence I'd like to avoid 2.6 |
| 11:12.36 | wethrin | Bah! |
| 11:12.40 | wethrin | Out of context! |
| 11:12.46 | wethrin | Mmm....goats.... |
| 11:14.45 | wethrin | So it just seems to be a problem of "we can't be bothered to test our kernels. Let someone else do it" |
| 11:16.03 | rhowe | wethrin: Yes, basically |
| 11:16.15 | wethrin | Cunts. |
| 11:16.16 | rhowe | wethrin: "mainline" kernels seem to be almost not for users to touch |
| 11:16.36 | rhowe | wethrin: More a place for development to be fed back to, so that distributions can maintain a consistent kernel release for their users |
| 11:16.36 | wethrin | Damn people and their ego problems. That's why I like OpenBSD |
| 11:16.38 | wethrin | :-) |
| 11:16.51 | wethrin | That's why the Good Linus invented odd numbered kernels! |
| 11:16.54 | rhowe | wethrin: Which kind of makes sense |
| 11:17.03 | rhowe | wethrin: Since Linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel |
| 11:17.33 | rhowe | wethrin: Whether it makes sense for the kernel to be one step removed from the OS... well, there's a whole debate there :) |
| 11:17.35 | wethrin | Right. So that's fine for people running RedHat and SUSE/Novell. And probably Debian too. Anyone else gets shafted |
| 11:17.57 | rhowe | wethrin: It puts the onus on the distribution to ensure that the kernel doesn't break, yes |
| 11:18.38 | rhowe | wethrin: I'd say that the amount of work required to test a new kernel release thoroughly is too much for a single user |
| 11:18.41 | wethrin | Right. So if I want to run Slackware, I'm shafted. LFS, shafted. I wouldn't even be surprised about Gentoo (but they take what's coming to them) |
| 11:19.37 | rhowe | wethrin: Kernel development in Linux is just too fast - the patches to go from one release to another is about 10% the size of the source tree or something |
| 11:20.04 | rhowe | wethrin: The kernel just doesn't seem to do 'releases' any more |
| 11:20.06 | wethrin | Mmm. Frankly, I'm surprised it's been working so well :) |
| 11:20.32 | rhowe | Firefox 1.0.2? He should upgradew |
| 11:27.06 | morsing | rhowe: Where can I buy a Treo 650? |
| 11:29.35 | morsing | ibot wake rhowe |
| 11:29.37 | ibot | rhowe: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 11:29.49 | rhowe | morsing: No idea |
| 11:29.57 | rhowe | morsing: A 'phone shop? |
| 11:30.07 | rhowe | morsing: ebay usually has them for around £120-150 |
| 11:30.43 | rhowe | morsing: 5-10 Treos pop up a week on ebay. More 600's than 650's though |
| 11:31.21 | morsing | rhowe: Umm... No. Phone shops don't really sell them |
| 11:31.27 | rhowe | morsing: No? |
| 11:31.34 | rhowe | morsing: PC World? :) |
| 11:31.44 | rhowe | morsing: Most of the shops on TCR'll sell them, I suspect |
| 11:31.51 | morsing | George: Shoot rhowe |
| 11:34.58 | rhowe | morsing: Any of the online retailers.. komplett.co.uk, amazon.co.uk, aria.co.uk might even have them.. |
| 11:35.42 | rhowe | morsing: Coming to gllug? |
| 11:53.54 | rhowe | haha |
| 11:54.04 | rhowe | just on the ad break for the F1 |
| 11:54.40 | rhowe | <man over team radio> "Get into starting positions" <telephone voice> "You are number 25 in the queue. Please hold" |
| 11:58.21 | rhowe | OK, I'm heading to gllug |
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| 12:19.48 | morsing | rhowe: No |
| 12:20.18 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:24.39 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 12:35.12 | JAV | hello |
| 13:17.42 | George | ok |
| 13:17.44 | George | I'm at home |
| 13:21.20 | Leeds | hello |
| 13:22.35 | George | looks like I'll be there around 3pm |
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| 13:32.22 | George | z00-mob: yo |
| 13:34.21 | z00-mob | and where are you? |
| 13:34.52 | George | home |
| 13:34.56 | George | I'm coming into london in a minute |
| 13:35.01 | George | I just picked up my SLVR |
| 13:35.42 | z00-mob | get here! |
| 14:08.45 | morsing | George: You're going to the Gllug meet? |
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| 14:21.44 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 14:21.53 | morsing | Are you going to the Gllug meet? |
| 14:22.08 | Leeds | uh, no |
| 14:23.05 | z00dax | morsing, why are you not here ? |
| 14:23.15 | Leeds | are you? |
| 14:23.16 | morsing | Have to do some gardening |
| 14:23.53 | Leeds | z00dax: why are you here? |
| 14:24.14 | z00dax | Leeds, break time - mozrat getting warmed up for his talk |
| 14:24.30 | Leeds | 100 packets transmitted, 81 received, 19% packet loss, time 99077ms |
| 14:24.30 | z00dax | the second speaker had some issues a few hundred miles away and is not here ! |
| 14:24.31 | Leeds | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 328.916/489.330/868.340/89.754 ms |
| 14:24.43 | Leeds | that's from the other end of the pipe out of my building :-( |
| 14:24.57 | Leeds | so mozrat is going to ad lib? |
| 14:25.13 | z00dax | yeah - a VoIP / Asterisk@Home talk |
| 14:25.23 | Leeds | cool |
| 14:25.43 | Leeds | it lasts longer... |
| 14:26.24 | Leeds | z00dax: many people there? |
| 14:26.55 | z00dax | about 28 - 32 |
| 14:27.00 | Leeds | so about 30 :-) |
| 14:27.18 | z00dax | Cope is here, with a very charming lil william, who is being rude and sleeping through mozrat 's talk |
| 14:27.22 | z00dax | ( which has now started ) |
| 14:27.35 | Leeds | shout hello from me :-) |
| 14:28.23 | boudiccas | The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up. |
| 14:28.52 | z00dax | boudiccas, ? |
| 14:29.05 | boudiccas | oui |
| 14:30.01 | z00dax | 3 more people just came in |
| 14:30.14 | z00dax | and St. George is not here yet... |
| 14:30.33 | Leeds | don't call him that - it'll go to his head |
| 14:31.52 | Leeds | the maximum ping time to my bytemark VM is over 1 second... makes it a little hard to get anything interactive done on it |
| 14:31.58 | z00dax | he just walked in |
| 14:41.19 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 14:41.28 | wethrin | I appear to have got a 1st gen iMac |
| 14:42.02 | Leeds | round'n'colourful? |
| 14:50.50 | wethrin | Bondai Blue |
| 14:55.15 | Leeds | fun |
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| 14:57.00 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 15:26.25 | morsing | z00dax: Say hi to William frmo me :-) |
| 15:26.41 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 15:28.11 | wethrin | hi |
| 15:33.44 | wethrin | bye! |
| 15:34.27 | morsing | Does this look like a good offer? |
| 15:34.33 | morsing | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=122383 |
| 15:45.46 | morsing | Hello? |
| 15:48.24 | wethrin | Whaaaaaaaa |
| 15:51.32 | morsing | wethrin: ? |
| 15:52.51 | wethrin | Heh |
| 15:52.57 | wethrin | Sigh. Linux-- |
| 15:53.36 | morsing | wethrin: What?!? What about the phone? |
| 15:53.50 | wethrin | I like the 6310i! |
| 15:54.17 | morsing | http://web.ncf.ca/ez469/Walks/index.html |
| 15:56.16 | morsing | WETHRIN? |
| 15:56.34 | wethrin | hmm |
| 15:57.20 | wethrin | The keyboard looks quite small |
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| 16:03.29 | morsing | z00-mob: http://web.ncf.ca/ez469/Walks/index.html |
| 16:05.16 | z00-mob | there is no way i can check |
| 16:15.50 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 17:32.19 | morsing | beer |
| 17:45.06 | wethrin | cider! |
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| 17:54.10 | George- | hi |
| 17:55.10 | *** join/#gllug z00-mob (n=kb@future-is.orange.co.uk) |
| 17:56.34 | z00-mob | hey |
| 17:57.00 | arika-chan | heya |
| 17:57.16 | arika-chan | does your name mean what i think it means? |
| 17:57.28 | George- | z00 sucks |
| 17:58.39 | z00-mob | rhowe tests irc on a mobile |
| 17:59.42 | arika-chan | ah |
| 18:01.07 | z00-mob | arika-chan what do you think? |
| 18:01.35 | arika-chan | about what? |
| 18:03.18 | z00-mob | arika-chan, my name? |
| 18:04.38 | arika-chan | oh |
| 18:04.40 | arika-chan | IRC on mobiles |
| 18:06.35 | *** join/#gllug z00-mobile (n=kbs@212.183.136.194) |
| 18:06.45 | George- | i'm using my new mobile too :) |
| 18:07.15 | z00-mobile | Hey George - we have you cornered |
| 18:09.41 | z00-mobile | Bye |
| 18:25.19 | z00-mob | hum |
| 18:26.33 | z00-mob | bye |
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| 19:10.22 | morsing | eye69! |
| 19:16.33 | morsing | beer |
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| 19:17.47 | George-mob | hey |
| 19:18.16 | George-mob | i am on the met line |
| 19:19.48 | wethrin | Ha |
| 19:23.07 | George-mob | hey |
| 19:23.46 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 19:23.50 | morsing | George-mob! |
| 19:24.09 | George-mob | just playing with my new SLVR |
| 19:24.39 | morsing | wethrin: I ordered the Treo 650 |
| 19:24.46 | George-mob | this is quite usable |
| 19:25.01 | wethrin | Mad person! |
| 19:27.53 | George-mob | why |
| 19:28.31 | George-mob | you have too much money |
| 19:29.52 | wethrin | He has a job, y'know |
| 19:30.41 | George-mob | as opposed to you |
| 19:30.51 | wethrin | Eh |
| 19:30.57 | wethrin | I don't have a Treo |
| 19:31.39 | George-mob | you don't have a job either ;) |
| 19:33.51 | wethrin | hi George-mob :) |
| 19:34.13 | morsing | G'night |
| 19:34.29 | wethrin | nn morsing |
| 19:34.37 | George-mob | hi |
| 19:36.10 | George-mob | i am a mob |
| 19:51.34 | George-mob | ibot test |
| 19:51.35 | ibot | Test Passed! |
| 19:56.30 | George-mob | you are all boring |
| 20:04.54 | Leeds | hello, good evening, hope the meeting went well, it's 4am here, good night |
| 20:05.32 | z00dax | Leeds, nite |
| 20:06.49 | George | meh |
| 20:06.54 | George | z00dax: yay |
| 20:06.55 | wethrin | Ha |
| 20:07.00 | Leeds | z00dax: night |
| 20:07.05 | wethrin | Why aren't you lot in the pub? |
| 20:07.07 | George | z00dax: seems my phone doesn't want to work with usb-storage |
| 20:07.09 | z00dax | George,get back ok ? |
| 20:07.12 | George | z00dax: yeah |
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| 20:07.29 | Leeds | wethrin: I've been in the pub - it's 4am and they were all closing |
| 20:07.33 | z00dax | wethrin, what pub ? I was there for a _while_ |
| 20:07.34 | George | z00dax: school network's working again too |
| 20:07.36 | wethrin | Yes, but the Gllug lot |
| 20:07.59 | wethrin | We always used to stay until near closing time! |
| 20:12.03 | z00dax | George, humm... strange, mine just works |
| 20:12.18 | George | z00dax: ? |
| 20:12.43 | z00dax | usb-storage |
| 20:17.29 | George | yeah |
| 20:17.33 | George | I think mine's acting as a card reader |
| 20:17.37 | George | it's being recognised |
| 20:19.00 | z00dax | newer firmware i suppose |
| 20:32.37 | George | z00dax: indeed |
| 20:32.59 | z00dax | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060421/ap_on_he_me/nail_gun_survivor;_ylt=Aq.xaEhZWJr5HrFo2DgSYU6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ- |
| 20:36.46 | z00dax | rhowe, did you just get back ? |
| 20:36.50 | rhowe | Yep |
| 20:36.54 | George | rhowe: you walked home? |
| 20:36.55 | rhowe | I went to Oxford Street |
| 20:36.57 | z00dax | long walk |
| 20:37.11 | rhowe | Looked at mobile phones, then bought some books |
| 20:37.16 | rhowe | Then got the bus ;) |
| 20:38.01 | z00dax | slacker |
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| 21:29.34 | George | z00dax: yoyo |
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| 22:03.26 | George | z00dax: it looks like in the settings for the SLVR you can set whether the backlight stays on in Java apps |
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| 23:24.35 | z00dax | George, humm... |
| 23:30.02 | George | z00dax: moo |
| 23:30.14 | z00dax | goto sleep |
| 23:30.18 | George | no |
| 23:30.58 | z00dax | way past your bedtime |
| 23:31.38 | George | ... |
| 23:43.42 | George | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=114574931409455&w=2 |
| 23:49.30 | rhowe | "No such message" |
| 23:49.57 | rhowe | Of course, if I copied the whole URL, it might work |
| 23:50.58 | George | lol |