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`01:47.18`	`*** join/#gllug LeedsHK (n=richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`01:59.33`	`George`	`hey LeedsHK`
`01:59.39`	`LeedsHK`	`morning George`
`02:00.02`	`LeedsHK`	`you've been at it all weekend?`
`02:00.21`	`George`	`no, a day`
`02:00.28`	`George`	`just started compiling kdelibs`
`02:00.29`	`LeedsHK`	`ah...`
`02:00.31`	`George`	`so another day at least`
`02:02.13`	`George`	`only a 1.1GHz Pentium M`
`02:02.28`	`George`	`but that's probably about the same performance as my old PowerBook g4 1.25GHz`
`06:47.27`	`*** join/#gllug SlayerXP (n=Tram@ti521110a080-1324.bb.online.no)`
`07:52.31`	`*** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@82-71-23-7.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)`
`08:04.06`	`mozrat`	`Morning`
`08:04.52`	`mozrat`	`:(`
`08:05.23`	`mozrat`	`I read the headline in the Metro this morning "Gilberto: Henry must stay" and chuckled. I don't know why`
`08:05.42`	`mozrat`	`How are you George ?`
`08:05.43`	`George`	`harharhar`
`08:05.52`	`George`	`I'm still installing Gentoo on my thinkpad`
`08:05.58`	`mozrat`	`Nice`
`08:06.20`	`George`	`which has a 4 hour battery life`
`08:06.43`	`George`	`why?`
`08:06.47`	`mozrat`	`Mine doesn't last that long anymore`
`08:07.10`	`George`	`I'm going to buy the fuckoff batteries`
`08:07.14`	`George`	`when I have some money`
`08:07.54`	`mozrat`	`George: who were you cheering on the boat race yesterday?`
`08:08.07`	`George`	`I didn't know there was a boat race yesterday`
`08:08.29`	`mozrat`	`You are English right?`
`08:08.54`	`George`	`apparently`
`08:08.57`	`George`	`half`
`08:08.59`	`mozrat`	`The one day of the year when you can see rich foreign kids racing down the Thames`
`08:10.42`	`*** join/#gllug cup (n=alex@netvoya-adsl.demon.co.uk)`
`08:11.06`	`cup`	`morning`
`08:12.52`	`mozrat`	`ibot change 2096.04 USD to GBP`
`08:15.32`	`*** join/#gllug AndrewBlack_ (n=chatzill@81.2.66.249)`
`08:16.13`	`George`	`mozrat: hrmm, even on ebay the fuckoff batteries will set me back nearly 200 quid :(`
`08:17.40`	`mozrat`	`I think inside the case they are just standard rechargable batteries`
`08:17.48`	`mozrat`	`you should make your own :)`
`08:17.59`	`George`	`heh`
`08:18.01`	`George`	`li-ion...`
`08:26.42`	`wethrin`	`morning`
`08:27.47`	`*** join/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk)`
`08:27.48`	`cbz`	`morning.`
`08:28.43`	`JAV`	`morning`
`08:30.09`	`cbz`	`morsing!`
`08:30.55`	`mozrat`	`Hi wethrin cbz JAV`
`08:32.59`	`mozrat`	`Cam took on a lot of water though`
`08:33.05`	`mozrat`	`it was quite choppy`
`08:34.00`	`George`	`mozrat: good`
`08:34.44`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: booooo`
`08:34.58`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: Hissssss`
`08:47.26`	`LeedsHK`	`mozrat: whereas I was cheering on England in the rugby here`
`08:47.57`	`mozrat`	`LeedsHK: how did they do?`
`08:48.15`	`LeedsHK`	`they won, in the final second of the tournament`
`08:48.20`	`mozrat`	`wow`
`08:48.41`	`LeedsHK`	`literally - they scored on the last play of injury time, then converted it for the win`
`08:49.00`	`mozrat`	`excellent`
`08:49.47`	`LeedsHK`	`considering it's sevens - somewhat the equivalent to five-a-side football - it was a pretty big, intense event - a lot of fun`
`08:50.33`	`LeedsHK`	`24 teams, 2 and a half days solid rugby, 40,000 fans... lots and lots of beer...`
`08:50.37`	`George`	`mozrat: why cam,bs, btw?`
`08:51.20`	`mozrat`	`George: closer to where I live`
`08:51.23`	`mozrat`	`it is a simple metric`
`08:53.04`	`George`	`ah`
`08:53.06`	`George`	`freak :P`
`08:53.39`	`mozrat`	`George: are you still abroad?`
`08:53.41`	`mozrat`	`how is it going?`
`08:53.43`	`George`	`indeed`
`08:53.46`	`George`	`it's hot`
`08:54.01`	`LeedsHK`	`Hong Kong has a pretty lively nightlife anyway, but adding a few thousand drunk rugby fans made it pretty mad over the weekend`
`08:54.28`	`mozrat`	`George: are you in HK?`
`08:54.32`	`George`	`no`
`08:54.40`	`mozrat`	`Have you met up with LeedsHK or did he take a restraining order out?`
`08:54.47`	`LeedsHK`	`it's nice here today - warm and sunny, but less humid than it has been`
`08:55.20`	`LeedsHK`	`I did get a little sunburned on Saturday`
`08:57.12`	`George`	`mozrat: I'm in Taiwan`
`08:57.38`	`mozrat`	`George: ah, yes. I remember now`
`08:57.45`	`mozrat`	`When are you back?`
`08:57.57`	`LeedsHK`	`George: you mean Chinese Taipai? Beaten by China in a pretty rough match yesterday...`
`08:58.00`	`George`	`thursday`
`08:58.06`	`George`	`Taipei`
`08:58.07`	`LeedsHK`	`uh, Taipei`
`08:58.58`	`George`	`indeed`
`08:59.12`	`George`	`Taipei isn't Chinese`
`08:59.52`	`LeedsHK`	`they're not soldiers, they're ghostbusters! http://www.flickr.com/photos/chavelli/122457915/in/set-72057594097498612/`
`09:00.02`	`LeedsHK`	`George: their team name was Chinese Taipei`
`09:00.17`	`George`	`bah`
`09:01.35`	`LeedsHK`	`Hong Kong is still China in some ways`
`09:03.26`	`George`	`the question is`
`09:03.35`	`George`	`should I go to the local LUG meeting in Taipei tomorrow?`
`09:03.41`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`09:03.49`	`LeedsHK`	`yes`
`09:03.54`	`George`	`why?`
`09:03.59`	`LeedsHK`	`particularly if you're going to understand anything which goes on`
`09:04.12`	`George`	`they speak english to me on the irc channel`
`09:04.19`	`George`	`it's just a social meet, no talks etc`
`09:05.02`	`LeedsHK`	`so, go, meet local geeks... find yourself a nice Chinese geek girl`
`09:05.18`	`George`	`no`
`09:05.21`	`George`	`I don't like girls`
`09:05.26`	`George`	`I like my new shiny thinkpad`
`09:05.34`	`LeedsHK`	`then find yourself a nice Chinese geek boy...`
`09:05.46`	`George`	`I don't like humans`
`09:06.10`	`LeedsHK`	`I'm not talking about humans... I said geek`
`09:06.18`	`George`	`geek is a subset of human`
`09:07.27`	`mozrat`	`subclass`
`09:07.37`	`George`	`only another 50 packages to compile`
`09:07.39`	`George`	`sigh`
`09:11.32`	`SlayerXP`	`compile?`
`09:11.39`	`LeedsHK`	`SlayerXP: gentoo`
`09:12.40`	`z00dax`	`hey`
`09:12.44`	`z00dax`	`$TZ Greetings`
`09:12.48`	`mozrat`	`hi z00dax`
`09:12.52`	`z00dax`	`hey mozrat`
`09:16.32`	`George`	`hrmm`
`09:16.39`	`George`	`anyone want to donate 200 pounds for batteries?`
`09:16.50`	`z00dax`	`George, not really. no`
`09:17.08`	`z00dax`	`is this for the laptop ?`
`09:17.43`	`z00dax`	`why not just get a low wattage UPS with lots of battery backup, and a bunch of hamsters ?`
`09:17.59`	`George`	`z00dax: because... I bought it to be LIGHT`
`09:18.09`	`z00dax`	`hamsters dont weigh much`
`09:18.10`	`George`	`carrying around half a tonne of lead acid batteries isn't my idea of light`
`09:18.25`	`George`	`I bought this machine because you can get 12 hours out of it`
`09:21.35`	`George`	`and with all those batteries it still weighs in at under 2kg`
`09:21.47`	`George`	`as opposed to z00dax' fetish for big heavy fuckoff laptops :)`
`09:24.26`	`z00dax`	`that rather large laptop never gave me more than 20 -35 min on battery ....`
`09:24.38`	`z00dax`	`.... and therefore i settled on the other- more rational - x86_64 platform`
`09:25.07`	`George`	`this x40 has a 4 hour battery life`
`09:25.17`	`George`	`it's advertised as 3.5, but with bastard power saving on, I can get about 4`
`09:25.31`	`z00dax`	`George, that should be enough in most cases ? surely, you will come across some form of power supply within 4 hrs`
`09:25.42`	`George`	`z00dax: indeed, but 12 hours would be nice`
`09:25.51`	`LeedsHK`	`z00dax: ever been on a long flight in economy class?`
`09:27.36`	`LeedsHK`	`so apparently my knife is finished it's servicing`
`09:27.42`	`LeedsHK`	`argh, its`
`09:30.06`	`*** join/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165)`
`09:30.13`	`stephanb2`	`hello everybody`
`09:33.08`	`Erwin`	`LeedsHK: If you're in economy, you might have enough room to type -- on a blackberry`
`09:33.36`	`LeedsHK`	`Erwin: until they throw you out the door for using a phone on a plane`
`09:34.24`	`George`	`Erwin: I was fine with my T43p 15" in economy..`
`09:35.44`	`LeedsHK`	`for the record, it's cheaper to buy "Red Dwarf: Just the Shows Vol. 1" from Amazon.co.uk and have it delivered to Hong Kong than it is to have it delivered to the UK, even with free shipping in the UK...`
`09:36.00`	`z00dax`	`LeedsHK, yes - but in economy ( cattle class ? ) there is never enough room to really open up the laptop and be able to type sanely`
`09:36.22`	`z00dax`	`i usually chat up one of the airhostess's and move down to the jump seat, most have power around the corner`
`09:36.33`	`stephanb2`	`LeedsHK: when ru starting your grey imports business ?`
`09:36.56`	`LeedsHK`	`z00dax: I usually fly business class :-)`
`09:37.04`	`z00dax`	`LeedsHK, or that`
`09:37.28`	`LeedsHK`	`stephanb2: the VAT on the DVD is more than the shipping cost to HK - no VAT when you ship outside the EU...`
`09:37.44`	`stephanb2`	`LeedsHK: oic`
`09:37.46`	`LeedsHK`	`if I was going to do any shady imports, it would 100% be the other way :-)`
`09:38.19`	`stephanb2`	`LeedsHK: u mean u would import chinese or russian warez into Hong Kong...`
`09:39.55`	`boudiccas`	`why chinese into Hong Kong? HK =is= chinese`
`09:40.28`	`stephanb2`	`ok i have a stupid & probably classic question. I am installing a new system, new mobo, new HDD. Twice, a file that I udpated before rebooting, appeared "wrong" after reboot.`
`09:40.35`	`LeedsHK`	`boudiccas: yes and no`
`09:40.43`	`LeedsHK`	`stephanb2: I meant importing stuff from the far east to europe`
`09:41.01`	`stephanb2`	`eg. i added a few nodes to /etc/hosts, reboot, /etc/hosts appears unchanged`
`09:41.12`	`Erwin`	`stephanb2: How did you reboot?`
`09:42.08`	`stephanb2`	`i am wondering how i can trace that. could it be: bad sectors on the drive, problem with dma, volumes not being unmouneted at reboot, ?`
`09:42.09`	`LeedsHK`	`hmm... ordering from Amazon at nearly 4am while drunk may not be the best way to shop`
`09:42.28`	`LeedsHK`	`stephanb2: how do you reboot?`
`09:42.40`	`stephanb2`	`Erwin: "reboot" command in console or "reboot" from gnome menu`
`09:42.55`	`LeedsHK`	`boudiccas: Hong Kong is Chinese, but for legal purposes it is almost entirely separate from the PRC`
`09:44.32`	`Erwin`	`stephanb2: You could see if there's a difference if you do a "sync" manually three times before rebooting perhaps`
`09:44.32`	`z00dax`	`stephanb2, add the entries to the hosts file, check its modified time - then reboot, check timestamp again`
`09:44.51`	`z00dax`	`its also possible the hosts file is being redone by some process during the boot stages ?`
`09:45.19`	`stephanb2`	`yes, I am thinking of creating a "test" file, rebooting and checking what happens`
`09:46.08`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: yes, I had the problem only with hosts and xorg.conf, and in both cases I hava doubt some script in fc4 might have touched the file at reboot`
`09:46.57`	`stephanb2`	`but if there was a problem with dma or unmounting, would I see something in the syslog ??`
`09:46.59`	`z00dax`	`cant think of anything that might do this ( off the top of my head )`
`09:47.11`	`z00dax`	`should do`
`09:47.31`	`z00dax`	`but - is syslog on device being unmounted ?`
`09:47.55`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: obviously if i can't replicate the problem i can assume that the drive needs testing ?`
`09:48.07`	`z00dax`	`smartctl ?`
`09:48.33`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: oooh wot is smartctl? s.m.a.r.t. being enabled on the drive ?`
`09:48.37`	`z00dax`	`although, i dont think this will really be a drive issue...`
`09:48.56`	`stephanb2`	`the mobo reports s.m.a.r.t. is not enabled on that drive`
`09:49.07`	`stephanb2`	`i imagine because the drive is too old`
`09:49.10`	`z00dax`	`smart is always good to run`
`09:49.35`	`z00dax`	`stephanb2, try what Erwin said - make the change, run sync 3 times, reboot.`
`09:49.42`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: ok i will do my homework and research smart on mobo and fc4`
`09:52.00`	`stephanb2`	`thank you all`
`09:54.18`	`stephanb2`	`btw anybody interested on running linux on a nForce4 + 6150 gpu mobo can talk to me. I just got that working with fc4 this weekend :-)`
`09:54.46`	`z00dax`	`stephanb2, post the info online - let google do its thing`
`09:55.07`	`z00dax`	`fc4 not 5 ?`
`09:55.38`	`stephanb2`	`yes i was thinking of doing that, this kind of info is lacking at the moment. bits of info in nvnew.`
`09:58.00`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: i didn't have an fc5 dvd, and im using a 2.6.16 kernel`
`09:58.14`	`stephanb2`	`i think it's the same kernel version as on fc5`
`10:59.12`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax: is there a wiki somewhere about fedora where it would make sense for me to post stuff. rather than doing it on a personal webpage?`
`11:00.02`	`z00dax`	`fedoraforum / fedoraproject ?`
`11:00.15`	`z00dax`	`either one of those`
`11:39.24`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: stephanb2 cbz - Can I request pictures of you guys for the GLLUG website IRC faces page?`
`11:39.40`	`murb`	`mozrat: you can request all you like!`
`11:39.45`	`mozrat`	`Murb - you too!`
`12:15.22`	`SlayerXP`	`mozrat's very last marbles has gone rolling down into the drain, I see.`
`12:17.25`	`George`	`sausages`
`12:24.28`	`stephanb2`	`mozrat: definitely. ill hava look at my digicam archive this evening`
`12:28.04`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: :(`
`12:36.30`	`*** join/#gllug puckman (n=gerard@penguin.thebrewery-london.com)`
`12:37.04`	`cbz`	`Heh.`
`12:37.37`	`cbz`	`Where is the IRC faces page?`
`12:49.52`	`*** join/#gllug G0nz00 (n=Gonzo@82-35-9-153.cable.ubr02.hari.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`13:01.47`	`mozrat`	`cbz, you got me`
`13:02.22`	`mozrat`	`http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html ... currently`
`13:02.32`	`mozrat`	`but we are changing the site soon, hence my request`
`13:02.50`	`puckman`	`that page is a bit empty`
`13:07.35`	`mozrat`	`and out of date`
`13:14.05`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, will dig up a mugshot later today`
`13:14.12`	`z00dax`	`anyone going for the lonix meetup on wed ?`
`13:14.40`	`George`	`drat, I can't make it to Lonix`
`13:14.42`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: maybe`
`13:14.44`	`George`	`I thought it was next week`
`13:15.24`	`George`	`mozrat can't play pool`
`13:15.26`	`cbz`	`Or is that currently residing in my Inbox`
`13:15.29`	`mozrat`	`cbz: http://gllug.beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/9-IRC-Faces.html ..this will be the new design`
`13:16.21`	`z00dax`	`mozrat, that page wont load very quick`
`13:16.39`	`z00dax`	`the html is here, but something in that page is keeping firefox from rendering it`
`13:16.49`	`z00dax`	`while the ants go round and round`
`13:17.00`	`George`	`any debian gurus here?`
`13:17.16`	`George`	`how the hell do I tell debian to install all the devel packages for x11?`
`13:17.37`	`mozrat`	`z00dax: it is a uber-slow server :(`
`13:17.38`	`wethrin`	`Isn't there an x11-devel package?`
`13:17.44`	`George`	`wethrin: apparently not`
`13:17.52`	`George`	`wethrin: I think it might be this xlibs-dev I've found`
`13:18.02`	`George`	`THIS IS WHY I USE GENTOO`
`13:18.05`	`George`	`:P`
`13:18.16`	`wethrin`	`Gentoo smells of poo and wee.`
`13:18.19`	`wethrin`	`Very slow poo and wee`
`13:18.30`	`cbz`	`mozrat - are you the guy who used to organise the meets in that business park in the docklands?`
`13:18.40`	`wethrin`	`That was Ivan, wasn't it?`
`13:18.41`	`mozrat`	`and it is source based poo rather than pre-compiled poo`
`13:18.47`	`cbz`	`Oh okay.`
`13:18.54`	`mozrat`	`cbz, no that was my twin brother`
`13:18.55`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`13:19.16`	`George`	`ivan?`
`13:19.26`	`mozrat`	`no Horace`
`13:19.27`	`cbz`	`urm.`
`13:19.41`	`mozrat`	`cbz: Sorry, being silly. No, that isn't me`
`13:19.43`	`cbz`	`The pics on that page are a bit too big.`
`13:19.46`	`mozrat`	`(or my brother)`
`13:19.48`	`wethrin`	`George: Before your time`
`13:19.57`	`George`	`mozrat: do you have a brother?`
`13:19.58`	`cbz`	`I turned up to a few of those.`
`13:20.04`	`wethrin`	`In fact, before my Glugging time, which just shows how long ago it was....`
`13:20.04`	`George`	`wethrin: was I alive at the time?`
`13:20.08`	`wethrin`	`Barely :)`
`13:20.10`	`mozrat`	`George: no`
`13:20.18`	`wethrin`	`My first Gllug meeting was the one where Ivan resigned`
`13:21.03`	`George`	`oo's ivan?`
`13:21.07`	`stephanb2`	`mozrat: yeah images a bit big`
`13:21.12`	`cbz`	`There was a bit of drama about that, as i recall.`
`13:21.23`	`cbz`	`Thumnails+clickontomakebigger is better`
`13:21.29`	`cbz`	`and lines up nicer.`
`13:21.31`	`mozrat`	`My God - either Dean Wilson has gone into the pr0n industry or his website isn't unixdaemon.com - NFSW`
`13:21.42`	`mozrat`	`I'll change the images`
`13:22.01`	`wethrin`	`unixdaemon.net`
`13:22.18`	`cbz`	`" You have made it to indian porn supersite, www.unixdaemon.com"`
`13:22.18`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: And it's NSFW, not NFSW`
`13:22.19`	`Blapto`	`bloody hell`
`13:22.19`	`cbz`	`urm`
`13:22.31`	`Blapto`	`Are those women into unix?`
`13:22.39`	`wethrin`	`hur hur, he said into`
`13:22.39`	`Blapto`	`I'd like to root their box!`
`13:22.44`	`George`	`wtf is a woman`
`13:22.50`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: You going to be in London on Thursday?`
`13:22.51`	`mozrat`	`is Ivan the guy in this blog post? http://blog.unixdaemon.net/cgi-bin/blosxom.pl/geekstuff/past_gllug_rable.html`
`13:23.03`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: not f***kin' safe for work?`
`13:23.10`	`wethrin`	`Could work`
`13:23.11`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, yup, although may be busy if I'm lucky.`
`13:23.18`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`13:23.22`	`wethrin`	`If not, come to London.pm`
`13:23.30`	`Blapto`	`Do you know where/when yet?`
`13:23.47`	`wethrin`	`Go to london.pm.org`
`13:23.51`	`wethrin`	`Then look at meetings`
`13:24.29`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: can you op me pls`
`13:24.56`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ`
`13:24.58`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by wethrin`
`13:25.02`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, I'll put it in the phone that commands all.`
`13:25.06`	`wethrin`	`yay`
`13:25.08`	`mozrat`	`thanks`
`13:25.24`	`Blapto`	`I should be able to go, probably have to shoot off early though`
`13:25.31`	`*** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk and http://planet.gllug.org.uk \| Next Event: 18th April - Jono Bacon (OpenAdvantage) and Ted Haeger (Novell) speaking`
`13:25.34`	`mozrat`	`all change`
`13:25.41`	`*** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat`
`13:26.19`	`wethrin`	`BAH. I would've been able to make it on a Saturday`
`13:26.27`	`wethrin`	`Boo hiss at people doing last-minute changes`
`13:26.28`	`George`	`WHY THE 18th???`
`13:26.34`	`George`	`YOU FUCKERS!!!`
`13:26.36`	`mozrat`	`Sorry guys`
`13:26.37`	`wethrin`	`George: Last-minute changes`
`13:26.46`	`mozrat`	`he asked me to change it - he couldn't make the 22nd`
`13:26.52`	`wethrin`	`Ted couldn't make Saturday (he realised his flight was in the morning)`
`13:27.02`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Okay - I should be there around 6.30`
`13:27.03`	`mozrat`	`Jono couldn't make Sat either`
`13:27.11`	`George`	`flights can be chaged`
`13:27.13`	`George`	`bah`
`13:27.26`	`wethrin`	`Bastards!`
`13:27.29`	`wethrin`	`They said they could, earlier :(`
`13:27.41`	`z00dax`	`18th ???`
`13:27.48`	`George`	`I hate you all`
`13:27.52`	`George`	`mozrat: are you going to be there?`
`13:27.54`	`Blapto`	`George, it's mutual.`
`13:27.56`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: midweek`
`13:27.57`	`mozrat`	`George: yes`
`13:28.00`	`George`	`and what time is it?`
`13:28.05`	`mozrat`	`1900`
`13:28.06`	`mozrat`	`Wmin`
`13:28.07`	`murb`	`wethrin: will you come to Hay?`
`13:28.10`	`George`	`ok, that's not too bad`
`13:28.12`	`wethrin`	`murb: no, sorry`
`13:28.19`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, i had no intentions of being around that whole week`
`13:28.21`	`George`	`mozrat: I'll be there with my X40 :D`
`13:28.25`	`George`	`mozrat: wmin?`
`13:28.28`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, where do you stay when in London?`
`13:28.39`	`mozrat`	`Westminster Uni`
`13:28.46`	`George`	`ok`
`13:28.55`	`George`	`when is mikejw letting us on their network?`
`13:28.56`	`George`	`damnit all`
`13:28.58`	`George`	`with a sausage`
`13:29.03`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: At home, which is in Beaconsfield`
`13:29.18`	`wethrin`	`George: When he sets it up? :)`
`13:29.30`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: so is Ivan the guy in Deans blog post?`
`13:29.51`	`Blapto`	`ah, so slightly more middle of nowhere than me.`
`13:29.56`	`George`	`is Ivan a dodgey russian?`
`13:29.56`	`wethrin`	`The unnamable guy, yes`
`13:30.01`	`wethrin`	`George: No`
`13:30.11`	`George`	`well, why not?`
`13:30.16`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: You're within Zone 6, aren't you?`
`13:30.23`	`wethrin`	`George: He's not Russian`
`13:30.24`	`Blapto`	`Well, not middle of nowhere, just suprisingly hard to get to.`
`13:30.27`	`Blapto`	`Yes, zone 6.`
`13:30.29`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`13:30.31`	`wethrin`	`Where?`
`13:30.35`	`Blapto`	`Loughton`
`13:30.43`	`Blapto`	`About 2.5 miles from the tube station`
`13:30.49`	`wethrin`	`Oh. That's Eastwards, isn't it?`
`13:31.10`	`Blapto`	`It is`
`13:31.18`	`George`	`I'm zone 5`
`13:31.19`	`George`	`I think`
`13:31.21`	`z00dax`	`err.. NORTH more than East :)`
`13:31.26`	`George`	`well, right now I'm in Taiwan`
`13:31.31`	`z00dax`	`I am Eastwards! I live in Bexley`
`13:31.58`	`wethrin`	`Isn't Loughton off the Central Line?`
`13:32.06`	`wethrin`	`z00dax: North-east, then?`
`13:32.07`	`Blapto`	`nope, it's on it`
`13:32.26`	`wethrin`	`isn't the line overground at that point?`
`13:32.30`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, yea NNE`
`13:32.57`	`z00dax`	`ok, so i might be there on the 18th. i might not, most likely not.`
`13:33.18`	`wethrin`	`So if the line's overground, Loughton can't really be on the line itself :)`
`13:33.55`	`puckman`	`mozrat: why not make all the snaps the same size on the mug page?`
`13:34.06`	`wethrin`	`sigh`
`13:34.10`	`wethrin`	`I still can't get to gllug.org.uk`
`13:34.15`	`Blapto`	`Loughton can be on the line.`
`13:34.21`	`George`	`someone needs to fix icecream's build system`
`13:34.28`	`Blapto`	`seeing as the line is in loughton`
`13:34.59`	`wethrin`	`I only live about 1.5 miles from my local station`
`13:35.03`	`wethrin`	`Less than that, actually`
`13:35.13`	`Blapto`	`One of the Croydon ones?`
`13:35.21`	`wethrin`	`No`
`13:35.24`	`wethrin`	`Croydon is south`
`13:35.31`	`wethrin`	`Beaconsfield is North-west`
`13:35.39`	`Blapto`	`Ah, I'm clearly confused`
`13:35.48`	`wethrin`	`Yes :)`
`13:36.15`	`Blapto`	`Or there are two Beaconsfields!`
`13:36.22`	`wethrin`	`No`
`13:36.24`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`13:36.35`	`Blapto`	`Arnos Grove?`
`13:36.50`	`wethrin`	`Nowhere near`
`13:36.57`	`wethrin`	`Arnos Grove is the end of the Piccadilly Line`
`13:37.19`	`Blapto`	`Ahh, I give up`
`13:37.22`	`Blapto`	`What station are you near?`
`13:37.27`	`wethrin`	`Beaconsfield`
`13:37.45`	`Blapto`	`oh, on`
`13:37.46`	`Blapto`	`ok`
`13:37.48`	`Blapto`	`national snail?`
`13:37.49`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: Can you get to http://gllug.org.uk if you drop the www part?`
`13:37.51`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Yes`
`13:37.55`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: No`
`13:37.57`	`mozrat`	`puckman: that is an excellent question`
`13:38.00`	`wethrin`	`I can get to gllug.ukfsn.org, though`
`13:38.00`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: oh.`
`13:38.42`	`Blapto`	`brb`
`13:39.24`	`puckman`	`mozrat: if you need a hand with some web stuff let me know, I have no other coding skills I can hand in to open source :P`
`13:39.48`	`wethrin`	`wooo. I can see the VW microbus we used to have on Google Maps`
`13:40.34`	`z00dax`	`would 'stockdata' -> encrypt -> compress -> sign -> transfer ?`
`13:40.36`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. The pictures are a couple of years old`
`13:40.48`	`z00dax`	`or swap compress and encrypt`
`13:44.03`	`mozrat`	`puckman: thanks - I will do :)`
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`15:12.36`	`mozrat`	`foo`
`15:32.31`	`stephanb2`	`bar`
`15:34.09`	`boudiccas`	`bar black sheep`
`15:35.11`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`15:43.30`	`George`	`load average: 4.05, 3.81, 3.24`
`15:44.11`	`wethrin`	`Is it still responsive?`
`15:46.15`	`George`	`yes`
`15:49.21`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`15:50.31`	`z00dax`	`maybe it has 8 cores, with a load of 4.05 - its hardly doing much`
`15:51.48`	`George`	`it's my x40`
`16:22.33`	`Blapto`	`hmm`
`16:22.44`	`Blapto`	`someone wants to buy a computer I put up for sale on a foum`
`16:22.45`	`Blapto`	`forum`
`16:23.00`	`Blapto`	`He wants me to ship it from the UK to the USA. But it's ok, he'll pay by wire transfer.`
`16:23.59`	`wethrin`	`uhhuh`
`16:24.03`	`wethrin`	`And he'll overpay?`
`16:24.12`	`wethrin`	`And you give him the change along with the computer?`
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`16:35.22`	`Blapto`	`I'm actually ignoring him instead.`
`16:35.36`	`wethrin`	`fair enough`
`16:38.11`	`z00dax`	`is there something $EXOTIC about said machine that warrants a trip across the pond ?`
`16:51.16`	`stephanb2`	`time 2 go home`
`16:51.41`	`stephanb2`	`bye everybody! cu l8r.`
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`17:07.50`	`Erwin`	`WTH is going on here: these processes use a bsddb which they read/write data from. That's typically 4-5 4-kilobyte reads/writes. But now, if a 2-gigabyte file is copied on the machine in the meantime, those 4 reads take over 30 seconds!`
`17:08.37`	`Erwin`	`Surely the IO prioritisation stuff is not that bad. Those processes even have negative priority`
`17:29.36`	`mozrat`	`ho-hum`
`17:30.12`	`mozrat`	`might be time to hang up my winter coat. its fscking hot on the tube`
`17:38.24`	`Erwin`	`But it's not that hot outside, unfortunately`
`17:39.25`	`mozrat`	`true`
`17:40.02`	`Erwin`	`OTOH half of my last week in California, it was raining. Still good enough weather to just wear a suit outside :)`
`17:41.13`	`mozrat`	`why were you in caLiforna?`
`17:44.06`	`Erwin`	`Beers of the World tour: we drank beer 26 different kinds of foreign beer. Also some business stuff was done :)`
`17:44.22`	`Erwin`	`They have some amazing liqour stores, with easily 60 different kinds of non-American beer`
`17:45.08`	`mozrat`	`Sounds great`
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`17:56.40`	`zx80user`	`morsing!`
`17:56.47`	`zx80user`	`ha, got there first`
`18:04.29`	`Blapto`	`Some people are really trusting. This guy is going to get a cheque for �4800 made out to me, and I'll take �1600 out and sent the rest of the money and the computer to him.`
`18:04.29`	`Blapto`	`Oh... Hang on a second...`
`18:04.30`	`wethrin`	`I suggest you cash their cheque first`
`18:04.30`	`wethrin`	`Muahahaha`
`18:04.57`	`Blapto`	`On a more serious note, how do these scams work?`
`18:05.25`	`Blapto`	`Do they rely on people sending the goods before waiting 10 business days or however long the bank takes to clear the money.`
`18:11.47`	`Erwin`	`Apparently the check can bounce even after the bank has given you the money`
`18:37.19`	`JAV`	`when people of other countries use credit cards here the receipt says it can't be cancelled. Maybe something simillar happens with checks`
`18:38.29`	`JAV`	`(I saw it once so probably not representative)`
`18:50.52`	`Erwin`	`Haha, I love this article where a Florida school has been forbidden to go to London -- too dangerous, they say`
`18:50.55`	`Erwin`	`http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2115749,00.html`
`18:51.09`	`Erwin`	`And how they compare the weather: Florida: chance of hurricanes`
`18:51.24`	`Erwin`	`London: In a month in 1890 the Borough of Westminster recorded no sunshine at all`
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`19:29.23`	`wethrin`	`ibot wibble`
`19:29.25`	`ibot`	`wibble is probably Now and again! wibble`
`19:53.54`	`Blapto`	`ibot ibot`
`19:54.01`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.`
`19:57.15`	`zx80user`	`ibot tripe`
`19:59.57`	`zx80user`	`ibot are you dead?`
`20:46.25`	`morsing`	`wobble`
`20:47.01`	`wethrin`	`morsssing!`
`20:53.48`	`mozrat`	`foo`
`20:55.35`	`mozrat`	`CliveBull++ he is a funny guy`
`20:55.53`	`SlayerXP`	`i like LBC`
`20:56.01`	`SlayerXP`	`lishame Sandi Toksvig left`
`20:56.24`	`mozrat`	`yeah, i wonder what happened with her`
`20:56.40`	`SlayerXP`	`dunno`
`20:56.50`	`mozrat`	`I think the new management edged her out`
`20:57.06`	`SlayerXP`	`used to be nick in the morning, sandi at lunch, then david prever and a bit of clive in the evening`
`20:57.11`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP, do you get LBC podcasts?`
`20:57.15`	`SlayerXP`	`i don't, no`
`20:57.36`	`mozrat`	`they are good. worth the 2 quid a month`
`20:57.47`	`mozrat`	`for me anyway, as i commute`
`20:58.30`	`SlayerXP`	`james o'brien's slow is often okay`
`20:58.41`	`SlayerXP`	`err slot`
`20:58.49`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`20:59.17`	`SlayerXP`	`emaiiled that a few times`
`20:59.26`	`SlayerXP`	`even had my emails read out on occassion`
`20:59.29`	`SlayerXP`	`one last week in week`
`20:59.48`	`mozrat`	`I got GLLUG mentioned on James show actually`
`21:00.28`	`mozrat`	`he was discussing clubs and asking what clubs people belonged to and why`
`21:00.52`	`mozrat`	`he doesnt ?get? Linux :-)`
`21:00.56`	`SlayerXP`	`don't recall that one`
`21:01.20`	`SlayerXP`	`mine last one was re: women and one night stands`
`21:01.41`	`mozrat`	`oh yes?`
`21:03.24`	`SlayerXP`	`Hi James`
`21:03.24`	`SlayerXP`	`I went to a university which had more female than male students during the years I was there.`
`21:03.25`	`SlayerXP`	`Hunted is the word I'd use. Us poor blokes could barely have a quiet beer in the Student Union without being accosted by, errrm, "frank" women. There's two sides to this issue, the men are not always on top.`
`21:03.25`	`SlayerXP`	`Regards`
`21:07.06`	`mozrat`	`University sounds terrible`
`21:07.35`	`SlayerXP`	`i hard;y got any work done`
`21:08.33`	`mozrat`	`University sounds terrible`
`21:39.40`	`mozrat`	`I wonder if George will be accosted when he goes to Uni`
`21:39.51`	`wethrin`	`one can hope`
`21:40.24`	`mozrat`	`:)`
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`21:51.31`	`JAV`	`hello!`
`21:51.52`	`mozrat`	`hello JAV`
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`22:53.27`	`mozrat`	`yo ldnblk`
`22:54.16`	`ldnblk`	`hello stranger how ya doing man ?`
`22:55.06`	`mozrat`	`Good thank you`
`22:56.05`	`ldnblk`	`yeah i had a look at the web site ealier on today, interesting`
`22:57.14`	`mozrat`	`which site?`
`22:57.44`	`ldnblk`	`openadvantage and the novell one also`
`22:57.49`	`mozrat`	`ah cool`
`22:58.09`	`ldnblk`	`i never did manage to get the appamour application to work`
`22:58.35`	`ldnblk`	`whats your voip knowledge like ?`
`22:59.16`	`mozrat`	`Pretty good`
`23:00.27`	`ldnblk`	`thats what i like to hear, last week i went to the voip 4 business exibition in kensington olympia`
`23:00.40`	`mozrat`	`oh yeah?`
`23:00.49`	`mozrat`	`any good?`
`23:02.18`	`ldnblk`	`yeah it was, I bumped into an x work collegue, and he gave me a demo of his companies voip solution`
`23:02.37`	`ldnblk`	`it runs on windows server only :-(`
`23:03.20`	`mozrat`	`happens`
`23:04.29`	`mozrat`	`You didn't notice a company called "Icon plc" there at all did you?`
`23:04.30`	`ldnblk`	`nope i did not c them there, why what do they do ?`
`23:06.07`	`mozrat`	`telephony`
`23:06.16`	`mozrat`	`I used to work for them a few years ago`
`23:06.45`	`ldnblk`	`ok, so have u heard of a company called envox ?`
`23:06.55`	`mozrat`	`Nope`
`23:07.00`	`ldnblk`	`THEY ARE ALSO A TELPHONY company`
`23:07.34`	`mozrat`	`right`
`23:08.37`	`ldnblk`	`they have a voip solution development studio, that allows you to churn out voip solutions using service building blocks, a little like intelligent networking`
`23:09.19`	`z00dax`	`ldnblk, seen asterisk ?`
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`23:11.06`	`ldnblk`	`z00dax: yep I have but its not very well documented and the solution i am currently getting familiar with is well documented and has a real nice gui`
`23:11.36`	`mozrat`	`hi z00dax`
`23:12.00`	`mozrat`	`ldnblk: Asterisk is well documented :) Not very friendly perhaps but well documented`
`23:13.14`	`ldnblk`	`mozrat: ok this particular application is very easy to use because of the gui`
`23:13.56`	`mozrat`	`I bet it is expensive`
`23:14.31`	`z00dax`	`there are gui frontends to asterisk as well....`
`23:14.57`	`ldnblk`	`well I have a 30day free trial`
`23:15.03`	`z00dax`	`and more being developed - including something $RANDOM i saw, a Win32 app that works as a fatapp on the client machine to control and config a asterisk@home machine over ssh`
`23:15.55`	`ldnblk`	`z00dax: well how come these gui's are not advertised ?`
`23:16.25`	`z00dax`	`few things opensource are really advertised, its left upto the interested user to go find it :(`
`23:17.13`	`mozrat`	`ldnblk: asterisk@home does a good job of bundling these apps`
`23:17.43`	`mozrat`	`maybe not the W32 version of the asterisk desktop product, but they have a nice web frontend and also a flash driven operator switchboard`
`23:18.09`	`ldnblk`	`z00dax: thats real sad :-(`
`23:25.19`	`ldnblk`	`ciao mozrat & z00dax`
`23:25.27`	`mozrat`	`see ya`
`23:25.33`	`mozrat`	`take care`
`23:25.40`	`z00dax`	`ldnblk, nite`

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