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| 08:04.58 | morsing | 'morning |
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| 08:13.34 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:13.44 | SlayerXP | present. |
| 08:13.58 | morsing | Cawfy? |
| 08:14.08 | SlayerXP | yep, have a pint, thanks |
| 08:14.16 | morsing | Here ya go? |
| 08:14.37 | SlayerXP | i mean, I have a pint in front of me |
| 08:24.54 | mozrat | Morning comrades - the revolution is near |
| 08:30.01 | mozrat | comrades? |
| 08:33.08 | morsing | mozrat? |
| 08:33.39 | murb | mozrat: they've abandoned you. |
| 08:34.10 | morsing | murb! How's the wife? |
| 08:35.49 | mozrat | murb: seems that way :) |
| 08:39.41 | morsing | mozrat: How are the kids? |
| 08:40.08 | mozrat | Good thanks morsing |
| 08:40.19 | mozrat | Daughters birthday this week |
| 08:40.27 | mozrat | was on Tuesday |
| 08:43.58 | mozrat | How was London.pm last night? |
| 09:18.49 | morsing | mozrat: Both of them? |
| 09:18.59 | morsing | mozrat: I didn't go |
| 09:19.12 | mozrat | oh |
| 09:19.21 | morsing | You have twins? |
| 09:19.42 | mozrat | ah, no. My daughter had her birthday |
| 09:19.51 | mozrat | I have a girl and a boy |
| 09:21.43 | morsing | How old? |
| 09:22.11 | SlayerXP | mozrat: do the parents not want them back? |
| 09:22.53 | mozrat | When they pay the ransom... |
| 09:22.56 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/tmp/img-1.jpg |
| 09:23.35 | SlayerXP | they spelt "debian" wrong. |
| 09:23.41 | SlayerXP | i like farringdon |
| 09:23.51 | SlayerXP | esp. the jerusalem tavern |
| 09:24.06 | SlayerXP | worked there for years and years |
| 09:24.19 | SlayerXP | farringdon that is, not the tavern |
| 09:25.50 | morsing | beer |
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| 09:37.31 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 09:37.51 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/aerial_relay.jpg |
| 09:39.15 | stephanb2 | morsing: "volvo 1394789 4976 8743 japan" |
| 09:39.27 | stephanb2 | japan!!! not SWEDEN :-o |
| 09:45.40 | cbz | morning. |
| 09:46.05 | George | hi |
| 09:46.08 | morsing | cbz! |
| 09:46.11 | George | I'm in Hong Kong |
| 09:46.12 | George | stealing some internet from Cathay |
| 09:46.22 | morsing | George: Fuck off and die! |
| 09:46.28 | George | why? |
| 09:46.45 | George | this feels slower than GPRS |
| 09:46.45 | George | lol |
| 09:47.37 | cbz | morsing! |
| 09:48.03 | George | hrmm |
| 09:48.14 | George | 260 emails to download |
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| 09:54.46 | pie | I just ifconfig'ed my ip address to some other ip address but the old IP address still pings. Can anyone think of a reason this might be legitimate? |
| 09:55.30 | pie | Youch! |
| 09:55.55 | SlayerXP | pie: something else using the same iP? |
| 09:56.07 | pie | Yeah, that is what I thought. |
| 09:56.20 | SlayerXP | use "arp -a" to figure out what it is |
| 09:56.26 | pie | But are there any *legitimate* reasons? :) |
| 09:56.29 | pie | SlayerXP, thanks |
| 09:56.55 | pie | SlayerXP, what does that actually tell me? |
| 09:57.08 | SlayerXP | it tells you the MAC address associated with an IP |
| 09:57.57 | pie | here are only 4 entries in there and my IP is not one of them. |
| 09:58.27 | cbz | tcpdump and ping see what is happening. |
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| 10:02.25 | morsing | pie! |
| 10:03.35 | pie | See! I can't keep an ssh connection open for more than a few minutes! |
| 10:03.43 | pie | halp! |
| 10:03.50 | pie | helf! |
| 10:04.00 | SlayerXP | ... |
| 10:04.17 | pie | help! |
| 10:04.53 | SlayerXP | can you be less specific? |
| 10:05.13 | murb | pie: what does arping your ip say from another host on the same network? |
| 10:05.17 | murb | s/network/ethernet/ |
| 10:05.26 | pie | I just tried, but got disconnected :) |
| 10:06.01 | pie | I will do it in screen |
| 10:06.41 | pie | ARPING 192.168.10.194 from 192.168.10.23 eth0 |
| 10:06.42 | pie | Unicast reply from 192.168.10.194 [00:C0:DF:0D:70:3B] 0.646ms |
| 10:06.42 | pie | Unicast reply from 192.168.10.194 [00:13:8F:6C:70:47] 2.082ms |
| 10:06.46 | pie | Ah ha! |
| 10:06.52 | SlayerXP | if you have two machines with the same IP, it's quite likely that you'll have exactly that kind of problem |
| 10:06.59 | SlayerXP | there you go |
| 10:07.03 | SlayerXP | you have two machines with the same ip |
| 10:07.04 | morsing | Check it! |
| 10:07.22 | pie | Yeah that is what I thought. OK, how do I get the dhcp server to issue me a new IP? |
| 10:07.46 | murb | pie: change your mac address. |
| 10:07.46 | SlayerXP | "dhcp-client eth0" perhaps |
| 10:07.59 | pie | it assigns me the same IP |
| 10:08.20 | murb | pie: take your mac and flip the local scope bit. |
| 10:08.21 | SlayerXP | then either manually set a different one, or fix your dhcp server |
| 10:08.36 | murb | SlayerXP: or the host that is stealing the IP? |
| 10:08.43 | SlayerXP | possibly |
| 10:08.46 | pie | SlayerXP, would it help if I used Debian? |
| 10:08.56 | murb | pie: not really. |
| 10:09.04 | pie | murb, I am inclined to do something like that :) |
| 10:09.05 | SlayerXP | pie: in this situation, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference |
| 10:09.13 | pie | :) |
| 10:09.20 | murb | pie: SlayerXP might talk to you, if you use debian. |
| 10:11.15 | murb | (good reason to not use debian) |
| 10:16.11 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 10:23.08 | wethrin | morning |
| 10:24.09 | pie | much poking has caused them to 'look at it in ten minutes'. Bah. |
| 10:24.15 | pie | My torrents are really suffering. |
| 10:24.48 | SlayerXP | change your IP to be that of the most important server on the network |
| 10:26.41 | pie | Um, that would be my machine, shurely. |
| 10:26.52 | pie | :) |
| 10:27.31 | SlayerXP | your mail hub is a good one to choose |
| 10:27.43 | pie | The gateway... |
| 10:27.43 | SlayerXP | if you're a wintendo shop, try using the PDC's IP |
| 10:28.07 | pie | I could run my own DHCP server assigning random public IP's |
| 10:28.18 | SlayerXP | unlikely to work |
| 10:28.29 | pie | SlayerXP, Oh, why? |
| 10:28.33 | murb | arping is fun for that. |
| 10:28.37 | SlayerXP | your machine will to too far away from the core for your dhcp responses to get to the client first |
| 10:28.42 | SlayerXP | will be |
| 10:28.47 | murb | you can do more than use ping |
| 10:29.08 | pie | my machine is vasyly more powerful than the DHCP server, which is on the same network. |
| 10:29.13 | pie | vastly |
| 10:29.28 | SlayerXP | another good one is you bring up lots of virtual interfaces, and give each one the same mac address as anothe real host on your lan |
| 10:29.42 | pie | Excellent! |
| 10:29.44 | SlayerXP | it's nothing to do with CPU power, it's about network latency |
| 10:29.57 | murb | SlayerXP: you can upset windows hosts and make them think tere are duplicate ips just with certain options to arping |
| 10:30.04 | pie | How about if I DOSed the DHCP server? |
| 10:30.12 | pie | murb, Cool! |
| 10:30.19 | murb | you can send an arp i am type message to ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff from random mac addresses. |
| 10:31.00 | wethrin | do the logs still exist? |
| 10:31.12 | SlayerXP | no idea, I can always make one, though |
| 10:31.13 | pie | SlayerXP, Bah. |
| 10:31.41 | pie | Like this? |
| 10:31.54 | pie | <SlayerXP>: I use fedora in secret! |
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| 10:32.14 | pie | Ahem. |
| 10:32.14 | SlayerXP | your petty jibes cannot harm me |
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| 11:03.09 | cbz | does anyone know of a commodity box, fairly small, very quiet, thats available cheaply and will take two full size hard disks? |
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| 11:43.08 | stephanb2 | i use fedora overtly. tell me why i shouldn't? |
| 11:44.04 | SlayerXP | on a desktop, I don't think it's a bad idea. |
| 11:51.23 | stephanb2 | yes on a desktop. well except for this p2p zombie machine im setting up for a friend. |
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| 12:48.25 | pie | Yay, I have a new IP! |
| 13:07.16 | SlayerXP | pie: is it 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 13:07.50 | pie | Um, yeah. Bastards. |
| 13:08.15 | cbz | heh |
| 13:14.09 | pie | What does "Persistence : Superblock is not persistent" in the context of a software raid level 1 device? |
| 13:14.57 | cbz | mean? |
| 13:16.17 | pie | yep |
| 13:16.28 | cbz | I imagine it means that there is no superblock on one of the devices you are mapping to a md device, so it wouldn't be able to safely detect it if it was used on its own |
| 13:16.40 | SlayerXP | correct. |
| 13:17.18 | pie | Hmmm. I suppose I should change that, or it isn't very redundant is it... |
| 13:17.21 | cbz | Which probably doesn't matter with RAID1. |
| 13:17.33 | cbz | Depending on how mirroring is implemented :) |
| 13:17.50 | pie | cbz, even if the disc with the superblock on it dies? |
| 13:18.27 | cbz | The superblock will just say something like "This is a RAID1 device" |
| 13:18.46 | z00dax | ok, #gllug: SIGLUNCH |
| 13:19.02 | SlayerXP | z00dax: before you go, how's your spam situation which $domain? |
| 13:19.04 | cbz | Which in this case won't matter much - as all you are doing is mirroring. |
| 13:19.08 | SlayerXP | s/which/with/ |
| 13:19.15 | pie | OK, so the superblock is more useful in, say, a raid 0 or 5 array where the disc 'order' matters? |
| 13:19.24 | cbz | Yes. |
| 13:19.28 | SlayerXP | pie: disk order doesn't matter |
| 13:19.41 | z00dax | SlayerXP, cool - in that there is nothing really coming through - which is a good thing[tm] for this domain - its not being used except for the odd email that goes through sometimes |
| 13:19.45 | cbz | It's there to stop the OS accidentally mounting it as a normal partition |
| 13:19.53 | z00dax | SlayerXP, Person using - has not complained of anything missing yet |
| 13:20.00 | SlayerXP | z00dax: *nods* |
| 13:20.13 | cbz | Given that all you are doing in RAID1 is mirroring (two identical 'normal' nonstripped partitions) it probably doesn't matter |
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| 14:25.35 | stephanb2 | SIGBACKFROMLUNCH |
| 14:27.22 | stephanb2 | stupid question re. Linux on a Kiosk. is there a case for mounting certain partitions as read-only? or restoring certain partitions from a disk image? |
| 14:32.18 | stephanb2 | is a "default" linux install good enough at preventing a non-root user from doing any damage to the system. all that needs to be done is restore the /home from an image? |
| 14:36.16 | SlayerXP | stephanb2: one would hope so, but a default install almost certainly has security holes. |
| 14:51.11 | stephanb2 | SlayerXP: oh yeah that is fairly well known. which reminds me i should play with bastille. have u ever done that? |
| 14:51.58 | SlayerXP | i try to avoid firewalls whenever possible |
| 14:56.02 | stephanb2 | afaik bastille is not a firewall, its a script to audit common security issues in linux |
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| 15:03.31 | SlayerXP | afaik, it's a wrapper around iptables |
| 15:04.38 | SlayerXP | of course I may be wrong |
| 15:05.24 | SlayerXP | Setting up bastille (2.1.1-12) ... |
| 15:05.24 | SlayerXP | WARNING: Bastille-firewall is not configured yet |
| 15:05.24 | SlayerXP | Please create /etc/Bastille/bastille-firewall.cfg to enable it. |
| 15:05.54 | murb | apt-get install stormingofthebastille |
| 15:34.01 | stephanb2 | hmm very interesting. i will carry on reading security howtos and doing things by hand. |
| 15:40.15 | new2unix | Wasnt there a Sherlock Holmes title with that name? Hound of the Bastilles? |
| 15:41.20 | stephanb2 | Baskerville |
| 15:41.32 | stephanb2 | there is a typeface called Baskerville |
| 15:41.34 | new2unix | Yes. that's the one. :) |
| 15:41.52 | stephanb2 | i think theres also a movie |
| 15:43.44 | stephanb2 | omg there's 3 :-o, original 1939, hammer horror remake in 1959, then various tv crap stuff |
| 15:52.39 | pie | stephanb2, it s also a town in France famous for it's lingerie. |
| 15:52.58 | stephanb2 | :-D ooooh i didn't know that |
| 15:53.10 | pie | Most people don't... |
| 15:53.27 | stephanb2 | i just discovered that John Baskerville, the creator of the typeface, printed the Book of Common Prayer. |
| 16:00.04 | George | I'm in taiwan |
| 16:00.24 | cbz | Whats 'of the office', in Latin? |
| 16:03.41 | cbz | ex officio, okay. |
| 16:03.57 | wethrin | Sounds right |
| 16:04.41 | George | got some crappy adsl modem thing |
| 16:04.45 | George | which doesn't work |
| 16:04.50 | George | currently stealing bandwidth off some chap |
| 16:04.51 | wethrin | ha! |
| 16:04.52 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:04.55 | George | who has an open access point |
| 16:05.07 | George | anyone familiar with alcatel adsl routers? |
| 16:05.14 | George | it's got a 4 port switch on it, and a wireless transmitter |
| 16:05.34 | cbz | I'm suprised - I can see 4 access points from my flat - in addition to mine - and none are open. |
| 16:05.37 | George | I can't seem to get into the web configuration interface so I can set up the ADSL authentication details |
| 16:06.25 | George | and... it' sucks! |
| 16:06.39 | wethrin | My access point at home is open. I use physical principles to restrict access |
| 16:06.49 | George | fatso |
| 16:07.01 | cbz | physical principles = shoot anyone near it ? |
| 16:07.36 | wethrin | cbz: No, cavity walls |
| 16:07.45 | George | wethrin: now help me |
| 16:07.56 | wethrin | in a minute |
| 16:07.57 | George | I can't find a reset jumper on the thing :( |
| 16:08.34 | George | hrmmph |
| 16:11.43 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 16:11.46 | wethrin | why not? |
| 16:11.52 | wethrin | Is there a little hole in the back? |
| 16:11.56 | George | no |
| 16:12.34 | wethrin | Oh |
| 16:12.45 | cbz | Heh - good luck |
| 16:13.54 | George | btw |
| 16:13.56 | George | I'm 18 |
| 16:14.02 | George | hohohohohohoho |
| 16:14.11 | wethrin | Since when? |
| 16:14.17 | George | 16 hours ago |
| 16:14.46 | wethrin | Ah. Happy birthday |
| 16:14.56 | pie | what wethrin said |
| 16:14.56 | George | thankies |
| 16:15.09 | George | now then |
| 16:15.20 | pie | oxymoron! |
| 16:15.22 | George | anyone want to help me get a USB Alcatel Speedtouch modem to work in linux? |
| 16:15.36 | George | well, Thomson Speedtouch 330 |
| 16:15.36 | murb | George: not really , i managed to get one to work before. |
| 16:15.53 | pie | I had a squashed frog, not too bad, but i can't remember how :) |
| 16:16.10 | murb | George: i used the kernel foo and the module load for the firmware and it just worked, or not. |
| 16:16.10 | pie | how I got it working that is. |
| 16:16.18 | murb | oh and the atm module for pppd |
| 16:16.30 | George | I need to get PPPoE |
| 16:16.50 | murb | George: why? are you not in the uk? |
| 16:17.18 | George | I'm in Taiwan |
| 16:17.18 | George | fool |
| 16:17.20 | murb | George: should work as well but more overhead. |
| 16:17.35 | pie | why, is taiwan lower? |
| 16:17.45 | murb | George: so i fail to keep track of your movements? |
| 16:18.02 | pie | murb, George said he was in Taiwan mere lines ago! |
| 16:18.13 | wethrin | murb: See, that could be fixed with compulsory ID cards |
| 16:18.49 | murb | or the assasination of George and the repartriant of the corpse? |
| 16:23.10 | pie | George for president! |
| 16:23.14 | pie | Wait, no. |
| 16:25.20 | George | fatso |
| 16:44.28 | George | I HATE ADSL |
| 16:44.43 | wethrin | ha |
| 16:44.48 | MacRohard | you could always use... a modem |
| 16:49.38 | stephanb2 | George: i have been using an alcatel speedtouch usb adsl modem for years. the model that comes with tiscali subscriptions |
| 16:49.56 | stephanb2 | George: http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/index.php?/download.en.html |
| 16:50.24 | stephanb2 | George: beware of the octal /decimal conversion in the config script |
| 16:50.50 | stephanb2 | George: but the installer may have been updated to configure UK ISPs by now |
| 16:51.34 | stephanb2 | George: i have only used it on a bt line which AFAIK means PPPoA |
| 16:52.12 | George | I'm in taiwan |
| 16:52.14 | George | I'm not doing a UK isp |
| 16:52.58 | pie | George, Where are you? |
| 16:53.26 | stephanb2 | George: you will need to know these two numbers that identify your ISP. sometimes thet are hard to find because ISPs prefer you to download install scripts for windoze |
| 16:53.54 | stephanb2 | George: configure chap-secrets and/or pap-secrets with your login/password |
| 16:54.13 | George | stephanb2: I've got them |
| 16:54.23 | George | VPI:0 VCI:33 |
| 16:54.48 | stephanb2 | George: ok be careful to check if they are given to you in decimal or in octal |
| 16:55.48 | stephanb2 | George: i imagine that PPPoE is fully supported on linux |
| 17:11.02 | stephanb2 | George: as far as I can remember the install script modifies/creates 4 files: /etc/ppp/chap-secrets pap-secrets, /etc/ppp/peers/adsl and a config file that stores the modem parameters like VPI, VCI, PPPoA/PPPoE etc |
| 17:12.08 | stephanb2 | George: when i first used the driver, i had to configure all these files by hand. the installer script should now get it 99% right |
| 17:38.04 | stephanb2 | time 2 go home |
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| 17:53.09 | cbz | time for the weekend |
| 17:53.14 | *** part/#gllug cbz (i=chriseb@vortex.ukshells.co.uk) |
| 17:53.15 | wethrin | bye |
| 17:53.16 | wethrin | heh |
| 19:25.14 | Leeds | morning all! |
| 19:33.47 | wethrin | ooh |
| 19:40.29 | Leeds | cute girl, obsessed with squeezing my tits, insisted I reciprocated... |
| 19:41.13 | wethrin | Oooh :) |
| 19:41.16 | wethrin | This is very good |
| 19:41.30 | Leeds | finally, the "I make bras" line got somewher :-) |
| 19:41.48 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:42.32 | Leeds | then there was the random drunken heart-to-heart, and the dancing, later |
| 19:42.48 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:43.24 | wethrin | That's okay. We have logs! :) |
| 19:43.50 | Leeds | hence the noting for the record |
| 19:44.19 | Leeds | certainly worth going out after the family birthday party this evening :-) |
| 19:45.19 | wethrin | indeed |
| 19:48.37 | Leeds | anyway, heading rapidly towards 4am... time to sleep |
| 19:48.48 | Leeds | g'night |
| 19:49.57 | wethrin | nn |
| 20:09.29 | JAV | night Leeds :D |
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| 22:29.41 | George | MOO |
| 22:36.34 | George | Leeds: we're in the same timezone, woohoo! :D |
| 23:07.48 | George | ibot change 17500 NTD to GBP |
| 23:08.01 | George | grr, what's the new taiwan dollar |
| 23:08.37 | George | ibot change 17500 TWD to GBP |
| 23:10.10 | George | ibot change 14500 twd to gbp |
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| 23:36.13 | pawel | ]:-> |
| 23:36.43 | pawel | evil is out. |
