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`00:29.15`	`wethrin`	`~change 15 USD to GBP`
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`00:45.05`	`wethrin`	`~change 50 USD to GBP`
`00:49.12`	`wethrin`	`~change 70 USD to GBP`
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`06:58.46`	`Cope`	`good morning`
`06:59.37`	`Leeds`	`hello`
`07:13.14`	`Leeds`	`Cope: how are you?`
`07:23.34`	`Cope`	`hello Leeds`
`07:23.43`	`Cope`	`I'm holly good thank you`
`07:27.29`	`Leeds`	`holly good?`
`07:31.54`	`Leeds`	`http://tinyurl.com/feduw is where the wedding was, http://tinyurl.com/he2dq is where the party was`
`07:39.17`	`SlayerXP`	`morning kids, kidessas, kidettes and kiddettles`
`07:39.37`	`Leeds`	`afternoon dude`
`07:59.01`	`Cope`	`hello SlayerXP`
`08:15.03`	`SlayerXP`	`try again`
`08:18.35`	`George`	`module results out today`
`08:28.46`	`Cope`	`George: what are you anticipating?`
`08:29.02`	`George`	`Cope: a few As and Bs :P`
`08:29.05`	`George`	`Cope: maybe the odd C`
`08:29.22`	`George`	`Cope: I'm shocking at Chemistry ;)`
`08:29.30`	`Cope`	`hehe`
`08:30.21`	`George`	`Cope: expecting a mid to high A in Further Maths 1`
`08:30.29`	`George`	`Cope: mid to high A in Physics 4`
`08:30.33`	`George`	`Cope: low B in Chemistry ;)`
`08:30.40`	`Cope`	`poor`
`08:30.51`	`George`	`Cope: yeah, well, I hate chemistry`
`08:30.58`	`George`	`Cope: it requires that I actually learn stuff`
`08:31.10`	`George`	`Cope: it's less of a "learn the basic principles then work it all out in the exam" type subject`
`08:31.40`	`George`	`anyway`
`08:31.41`	`George`	`must dash`
`08:31.44`	`George`	`bloody chapel`
`08:31.57`	`Leeds`	`bloody Christians`
`08:32.18`	`George`	`I'm atheist`
`08:32.39`	`Leeds`	`thenw hy are you going to chapel?`
`08:32.51`	`Cope`	`he's oppressed`
`08:37.37`	`morsing`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:38.15`	`SlayerXP`	`bored`
`08:40.20`	`wethrin`	`~change 85 USD to GBP`
`08:41.39`	`Leeds`	`morsing?`
`08:42.04`	`Leeds`	`a friend of mine is having trouble: "I do not have routeing ability on my router :("`
`08:42.18`	`SlayerXP`	`apt-get install routing-ability`
`08:42.43`	`wethrin`	`If the router used a proper OS, it wouldn't need to apt-get install routing capabilities :-)`
`08:42.45`	`Leeds`	`I could use ipkg on mine...`
`08:43.00`	`Leeds`	`but I didn't need to`
`08:43.52`	`morsing`	`Leeds! You're back :-)`
`08:44.03`	`Leeds`	`morsing: your front!`
`08:44.14`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`08:44.37`	`SlayerXP`	`i need more junk.`
`08:44.37`	`Leeds`	`cock it?`
`08:44.46`	`wethrin`	`gah`
`08:45.07`	`Leeds`	`(I think he's after drugs)`
`08:45.12`	`SlayerXP`	`junk mail, I meant, but I can see why you'd make that assumption`
`08:45.44`	`wethrin`	`I can lend you some of my junk mail`
`08:46.16`	`SlayerXP`	`i wouldn't be able to give it back`
`08:46.22`	`wethrin`	`That's okay`
`08:46.27`	`wethrin`	`I'll just give you a copy, then`
`08:46.44`	`wethrin`	`Hm. About 190 okay?`
`08:46.57`	`SlayerXP`	`no, I need junk mail that you haven't got yet`
`08:47.00`	`wethrin`	`Oh`
`08:47.02`	`wethrin`	`Bah`
`08:47.26`	`wethrin`	`Right. Time for me to head into labs`
`08:55.32`	`morsing`	`Is my ex-manager insane?`
`08:55.43`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`08:55.46`	`Leeds`	`next question?`
`08:55.46`	`morsing`	`Good`
`08:55.53`	`morsing`	`Can I kill him?`
`08:56.18`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Oh, when was the last time you were on IRC?`
`08:56.24`	`Leeds`	`no, and last night`
`08:56.33`	`Leeds`	`and certainly in the airport yesterday`
`08:56.57`	`morsing`	`Do you know I left Camelot?`
`08:58.05`	`Leeds`	`I know you were planning to hand in your notice and stay for your contracted 90 days like a good little boy`
`08:58.54`	`Leeds`	`that is, you'd handed in your notice and were trying to weasel out of your contract`
`09:00.22`	`morsing`	`Well, the IT director gave me three choices on Friday`
`09:00.34`	`morsing`	`I picked the "Leave immediately" one`
`09:00.41`	`morsing`	`So I'm now unemployed`
`09:00.48`	`Leeds`	`as in "pack your stuff and go, now"?`
`09:00.58`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`09:01.14`	`morsing`	`And they took my phone off me so I don't have any phone numbers`
`09:01.15`	`SlayerXP`	`morsing: resell antibosymx. i'll give you 50% (net) of whatever you bring in`
`09:01.19`	`SlayerXP`	`body`
`09:01.59`	`Cope`	`morsing: what were the other options, and why did you elect to leave immediately?`
`09:02.07`	`Leeds`	`so are you fired, or did they just let you out of your notice?`
`09:02.42`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Don't really know`
`09:02.52`	`morsing`	`Cope: 1 - stay 3 months`
`09:03.04`	`morsing`	`2 - Stay till the 23rd of March as you wanted`
`09:03.08`	`morsing`	`3 - Leave now`
`09:04.52`	`morsing`	`Leaving immediately meant never seeing my manager again since he was on holiday last week`
`09:06.16`	`Cope`	`do you lose money because of the choice you made?`
`09:10.57`	`Leeds`	`Grovvy, baaby`
`09:28.27`	`morsing`	`Cope: Yes. Three weeks pay`
`09:31.30`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 2030 hkd to gbp`
`09:31.50`	`morsing`	`Leeds: No - more like 1500 GBP`
`09:32.25`	`Leeds`	`that's how much I can build a machine for...`
`09:35.10`	`Cope`	`i can build one for much less`
`09:35.35`	`Cope`	`ibot change 0 gbp to hkd`
`09:35.44`	`Cope`	`there you go`
`09:35.57`	`Leeds`	`although that doesn't include a hard drive, and does include a guestimate for case cost`
`09:36.04`	`Leeds`	`how can you build a new machine for nothing?`
`09:36.43`	`Cope`	`ah`
`09:36.43`	`Cope`	`you didn't specify "new"`
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`09:37.00`	`Leeds`	`evening pie`
`09:37.15`	`pie`	`Morning, your motherboard recommendation works a charm, thanks :)`
`09:37.31`	`pie`	`Hello. How do I find the block size of a partition`
`09:37.35`	`Leeds`	`pleasure... I'm just pricing up a new machine with one in :-)`
`09:37.43`	`pie`	`I might buy one for home!`
`09:39.36`	`Leeds`	`I can build a machine for 150 quid`
`09:40.37`	`SlayerXP`	`you can build a basic amd64 machien for sub-150`
`09:41.01`	`Leeds`	`really?`
`09:42.12`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`09:42.27`	`Leeds`	`retail?`
`09:42.30`	`SlayerXP`	`yes`
`09:43.04`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`09:43.34`	`Leeds`	`where?`
`09:44.02`	`pie`	`Leeds, I would be interested in where you got your componennts from, mine cost about £350`
`09:44.05`	`SlayerXP`	`or perhaps not.`
`09:44.06`	`SlayerXP`	`sec.`
`09:44.08`	`SlayerXP`	`just pricing it up`
`09:44.18`	`Leeds`	`pie: computer mall in Hong Kong :-)`
`09:45.02`	`Leeds`	`that is for a machine with no hard drive, to be fair`
`09:45.13`	`SlayerXP`	`250 plus delivery gets you a amd ath64 2ghz machine with 40gb ide and 512mb of ram`
`09:45.25`	`SlayerXP`	`in a mini tower case`
`09:45.31`	`Leeds`	`except I said 150, not 250`
`09:45.46`	`SlayerXP`	`sec.`
`09:46.51`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 295 hkd to gbp`
`09:47.00`	`SlayerXP`	`175.50 with a sempron 2800+ and 256mb ram`
`09:47.25`	`Leeds`	`this is with a sempron 3000+ (possibly a 64bit one, I'm not sure) and 512`
`09:47.34`	`SlayerXP`	`semprons are not 64 bit`
`09:47.44`	`Cope`	`pie: what filesystem are you using?`
`09:47.50`	`Cope`	`if ext2/3:`
`09:47.59`	`Cope`	`# dumpe2fs /dev/hda \| grep -i "block size"`
`09:47.59`	`Cope`	`dumpe2fs 1.39-WIP (10-Dec-2005)`
`09:47.59`	`Cope`	`Block size: 1024`
`09:48.03`	`Leeds`	`yes, some of the newer semprons are indeed 64-bit`
`09:48.45`	`SlayerXP`	`are you sure about that? i thought sempron was the designation for all athlon xp 32 bit processors`
`09:49.19`	`SlayerXP`	`no, you're right`
`09:49.23`	`Leeds`	`nope - they are now basing them on a64 cores`
`09:49.38`	`SlayerXP`	`in fact, the price I quoted is a 64 bit core`
`09:50.17`	`pie`	`hello again, had to get coffee.`
`09:50.19`	`pie`	`ext3`
`09:50.21`	`morsing`	`pie!`
`09:50.25`	`morsing`	`Mmm... coffee`
`09:50.27`	`morsing`	`and pie`
`09:50.27`	`pie`	`Hmmmm, pie`
`09:50.50`	`pie`	`64bit 2gigs of dual channel memory enhanced pie!`
`09:52.16`	`pie`	`is there any reason I might have a block size of 4096 rather than 1024?`
`09:52.58`	`pie`	`Youch!`
`09:53.18`	`SlayerXP`	`pie: yes. larger block sizes are more efficient if you are mostly storing larger files.`
`09:53.29`	`pie`	`As I am, excellent.`
`09:54.12`	`Leeds`	`hmm... pie...`
`09:56.18`	`pie`	`OK, is there any reason after copying a few gigs of files to a USB attached HD the unount command takes hours to unount, and in fact never returned before I rather accidently rebooted the machine?)`
`09:56.31`	`pie`	`s/unount/unmount/`
`09:56.53`	`pie`	`cool.`
`09:57.00`	`Leeds`	`get annoying quickly`
`09:57.04`	`Leeds`	`s/get/gets/`
`09:57.29`	`pie`	`Yeah, it has worn off now.`
`09:57.33`	`pie`	`ibot, shut up`
`09:57.34`	`ibot`	`yes, Master pie`
`09:57.39`	`pie`	`:)`
`09:58.09`	`Leeds`	`heh`
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`10:18.52`	`Leeds`	`hometime`
`10:25.34`	`pie`	`night night leeds`
`10:32.12`	`Cope`	`PAL`
`10:44.52`	`z00dax`	`hullo`
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`10:52.33`	`morsing`	`stephanb2, z00dax!`
`10:53.30`	`z00dax`	`morsing,`
`10:54.53`	`stephanb2`	`z00dax! morsing!`
`10:55.18`	`z00dax`	`stephanb2,`
`10:57.35`	`morsing`	`ping wethrin`
`10:58.04`	`morsing`	`ibot wake wethrin`
`10:58.06`	`ibot`	`wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`11:00.35`	`Cope`	`hello z00dax`
`11:00.45`	`z00dax`	`heya Cope`
`11:01.12`	`Cope`	`z00dax: yum whatprovides rocks`
`11:01.34`	`Cope`	`s/whatprovides//`
`11:01.37`	`z00dax`	`yes :) specially when you have a whole load of repo's setup`
`11:01.53`	`Cope`	`s/ / /`
`11:02.14`	`stephanb2`	`Searching Packages:`
`11:02.18`	`stephanb2`	`Setting up repositories`
`11:02.23`	`stephanb2`	`Reading repository metadata in from local files`
`11:02.34`	`Cope`	`s/m r/m r/`
`11:02.38`	`Cope`	`twat`
`11:02.48`	`stephanb2`	`cocaine.i386 5.2.0 chem.narcotics`
`11:03.06`	`z00dax`	`stephanb2, yeah - those repo's i stay away from ( during work hours anyway )`
`11:03.21`	`stephanb2`	`sodiumbicarbonate.i586 1.2.0 chem.base`
`11:12.52`	`morsing`	`Mmm... sodiumbicarbonate`
`11:20.22`	`stephanb2`	`morsing: does it wake up the cook in you?`
`11:20.29`	`stephanb2`	`s/cook/chef/`
`11:21.21`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`11:25.41`	`stephanb2`	`oho a computer person person who knows how to cook!`
`11:25.58`	`stephanb2`	`that's quite unusual`
`11:33.31`	`pie`	`I have been running e2fsck -cc /dev/sdb1 and it has been stuck at:`
`11:33.33`	`pie`	`Testing with random pattern: 778816/ 2945911`
`11:33.39`	`pie`	`for about an hour. Help.`
`11:34.03`	`stephanb2`	`pie: is that a read/write test ?`
`11:34.17`	`Erwin`	`Hey, these are the numbers from "Lost" !`
`11:34.21`	`stephanb2`	`pie: looks like a bad sector`
`11:34.52`	`pie`	`stephanb2, yes, read/write (non-destructive)`
`11:35.17`	`stephanb2`	`pie: does the drive make a funny noise? if u can hear it`
`11:35.40`	`pie`	`every once in a while it makes a 'clunky clunky' noise...`
`11:36.20`	`stephanb2`	`AFAIK it means the drive controller is trying to read that sector again and again`
`11:36.27`	`pie`	`Hmmm.`
`11:36.39`	`stephanb2`	`after a certain # of retries it will give up and move 2 the next sector`
`11:37.03`	`pie`	`OK, I should probably get a new drive...`
`11:37.05`	`stephanb2`	`unfortunately if the drive got damaged - e.g. fell whilst spinning`
`11:37.15`	`stephanb2`	`u have a whole series of bad sectors in a row`
`11:37.42`	`stephanb2`	`i have successfully re-used such drives by making partitions to avoid the dodgy area`
`11:38.00`	`pie`	`Well, it is a portable 2.5" HD, so it is quite likely it is damaged.`
`11:38.05`	`stephanb2`	`but considering the effort and the price of a new drive it wasn't really worth it`
`11:38.33`	`stephanb2`	`yeah my problem was also with a client's laptop`
`11:39.32`	`pie`	`As I only use it for moving files back and forwards from home I am not to worried about the disc degrading`
`11:40.12`	`stephanb2`	`well then by all means write down the bad sectors and try 2 make partitions around them`
`11:40.53`	`pie`	`Should it be possible to mark the sectors as bad on the disk, preventing further use regardless of position related to partitions?`
`11:42.14`	`stephanb2`	`pie: yes it is. however i don't know how to do that. also i don't know at what level it can be done`
`11:42.33`	`stephanb2`	`ideally you want to do a low-level format that is os-independent`
`11:42.56`	`stephanb2`	`but this depends on the drive manufacturer's will to give an app for low-level format`
`11:43.34`	`stephanb2`	`im sure someone else here knows more about this`
`11:46.24`	`stephanb2`	`pie: it looks like u could use badblocks`
`11:46.51`	`pie`	`the -c option to e2fsck marks blocks as bad (from man e2fsck)`
`11:47.31`	`stephanb2`	`yes i read that as well`
`11:48.39`	`Cope`	`pie: i think this has been discussed at length on the list last year`
`11:49.02`	`pie`	`OK, I will have a google later.`
`11:49.11`	`pie`	`Cursed work needs doing first :)`
`11:50.09`	`stephanb2`	`Cope: well it's kind of a recurring problem...`
`11:51.19`	`pie`	`work?`
`11:51.33`	`pie`	`I have to go every day :(`
`11:52.07`	`stephanb2`	`hem actually also true. but i was referring to corruption of data on hard drives`
`11:52.25`	`Cope`	`lol`
`11:52.37`	`Cope`	`stephanb2: yes, that's why we use RAID`
`11:52.42`	`Cope`	`when a disk dies, we just replace it`
`11:52.52`	`Cope`	`disks are cheap`
`11:53.06`	`Cope`	`hence the I`
`11:53.36`	`SlammerXP`	`fg`
`11:54.31`	`pie`	`bg`
`11:54.44`	`pie`	`kill -9 %1`
`11:54.51`	`pie`	`Hahahahhaahahah!`
`11:58.10`	`Cope`	`pie: erm, you don't know the jobid is 1`
`12:00.24`	`stephanb2`	`in the meantime i have a dead (mobo \|\| cpu \|\| ram)`
`12:00.33`	`pie`	ruby -e" 1.upto(100000000) {\|x\| `kill -9 %#{x}` }; puts 'BwahWAHhAHahHAHhHAhHAa!' "
`12:13.53`	`wethrin`	`hello`
`12:14.02`	`Cope`	`hello indeed`
`12:15.23`	`pie`	`Hello, if that's even your real name.`
`12:20.19`	`SlammerXP`	`hmm, odd, a mail I sent to the list hasn't materialised.`
`12:23.15`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: email from gmail and from my work address are both bouncing wheni try to send to the python list, most odd.`
`12:23.18`	`Cope`	`not that you care`
`12:23.19`	`wethrin`	`I'm not asleep!`
`12:23.23`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`12:23.29`	`wethrin`	`morsing!`
`12:23.29`	`Cope`	`morsing!`
`12:23.33`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`12:23.35`	`SlammerXP`	`Cope: I care deeply.`
`12:23.37`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Chimes`
`12:30.14`	`stephanb2`	`bbl`
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`12:39.42`	`Erwin`	`Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on`
`12:39.42`	`Erwin`	`... 1150784556 25506812 1066821272 3% /`
`12:39.53`	`Erwin`	`I wonder how long that will take me to fill up`
`12:40.54`	`wethrin`	`1TB?`
`12:41.13`	`Erwin`	`Yeah. 6 400G WD RE2 SATA disks in RAID 10 configuration`
`12:41.19`	`wethrin`	`nice`
`12:41.30`	`wethrin`	`Couple of weeks of bittorrenting :)`
`12:41.52`	`Erwin`	`Well. It's the company server, so I probably shouldn't use it on porn :)`
`12:42.00`	`wethrin`	`Well, true`
`12:42.06`	`wethrin`	`Unless you work for a porn distributor`
`12:42.26`	`Erwin`	`2x Dual Core Opteron 275s`
`12:44.11`	`SlammerXP`	`what's raid10?`
`12:44.30`	`Erwin`	`RAID 1 on top of RAID 0: mirrored and striped.`
`12:44.40`	`SlammerXP`	`oh, raid o+1`
`12:44.42`	`SlammerXP`	`0+1`
`12:44.55`	`z00dax`	`raid6 is the way to go!`
`12:45.23`	`z00dax`	`whats the fun of a raid if you dont need a gazzillion drives first`
`12:45.37`	`wethrin`	`Isn't 0+1 striped, then mirrored?`
`12:48.02`	`SlammerXP`	`it makes no difference`
`12:50.20`	`wethrin`	`Maybe not to the end result. But the distribution of bits, surely...`
`12:58.57`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: yes it does`
`13:00.28`	`Cope`	`raid 1+0 is more resilient`
`13:00.42`	`SlammerXP`	`err, no`
`13:00.45`	`Cope`	`err, yes`
`13:00.49`	`Cope`	`would you like me to explain?`
`13:01.03`	`SlammerXP`	`raid 0+1 requires 6 disks beofre you can tolerate more than 1 disk failure`
`13:01.20`	`Cope`	`yes`
`13:01.25`	`Cope`	`your point is?`
`13:01.26`	`wethrin`	`That depends on which side the disks fail :)`
`13:01.42`	`Cope`	`erwin has 6 disks`
`13:02.30`	`SlammerXP`	`Cope: there may be some local performance differences, but the fault tolerance is identical`
`13:02.44`	`Cope`	`no`
`13:02.51`	`Cope`	`let's draw a picture`
`13:03.01`	`Cope`	`here is 0+1`
`13:03.16`	`Cope`	`A1 <-> A2 <-> A3`
`13:03.24`	`Cope`	`B1 <-> B2 <-> B3`
`13:03.30`	`Cope`	`first stripe, then mirror`
`13:03.39`	`wethrin`	`So it can tolerate failure of 3 disks`
`13:03.46`	`wethrin`	`Either all A, or all B`
`13:03.49`	`murb`	`Cope: never strip except for performance`
`13:03.49`	`Cope`	`if you lose A1 you lose the the whole stripe`
`13:03.58`	`murb`	`stripping is just increasing your chances of data loss`
`13:04.06`	`SlammerXP`	`no, it can tolerate 3 disks, if you're really lucky`
`13:04.11`	`Cope`	`now B can only tolerate 1 failure`
`13:04.17`	`murb`	`with a simple ammend you might only loose half your data`
`13:04.20`	`murb`	`etc`
`13:04.24`	`Cope`	`now let's do it the other way round`
`13:04.35`	`Cope`	`A1 - A2 - A3`
`13:04.42`	`Cope`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:04.44`	`wethrin`	`Cope: How so? B can't tolerate any failures if A has failed`
`13:04.52`	`Cope`	`B1 - B2 - B3`
`13:04.57`	`pie`	`Cope, ti od s'tel`
`13:05.06`	`Cope`	`stop spoiling my picture!`
`13:05.10`	`wethrin`	`sorry`
`13:05.12`	`pie`	`sorry.`
`13:05.19`	`Cope`	`A1 - A2 - A3`
`13:05.21`	`SlammerXP`	`wait until after he's drawn it to point out the flaws`
`13:05.25`	`Cope`	`A1 - A2 - A3`
`13:05.27`	`Cope`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:05.29`	`Cope`	`B1 - B2 - B3`
`13:05.31`	`pie`	`poo`
`13:05.35`	`murb`	`who is arguing for what/`
`13:05.40`	`murb`	`and i can't be bothred to read scroll back.`
`13:05.43`	`Cope`	`first mirror then stripe`
`13:05.57`	`murb`	`Cope: so raid1 then raid zero the raid1s`
`13:05.58`	`wethrin`	`Which can tolerate a failure of 3 disks....`
`13:06.00`	`SlammerXP`	`cope's arguing, incorrectly , about raid10 being different to raid 0+1`
`13:06.23`	`murb`	`SlammerXP: if you have a failued with 0+1 it is more work to add a hot spare`
`13:06.29`	`SlammerXP`	`if you're _really_ lucky, it can fail 3 disks`
`13:06.29`	`Cope`	`no, cope is demonstrating that 1+0 is more resilient:`
`13:06.37`	`Cope`	`in the 2nd case`
`13:06.41`	`Cope`	`if we lose a1`
`13:06.46`	`Cope`	`a2 is fine`
`13:06.48`	`murb`	`then b2?`
`13:06.57`	`wethrin`	`There are a larger number of combinations of disks that can fail in the second configuration, compared to the first`
`13:06.59`	`Cope`	`you can also lose any on b`
`13:07.23`	`wethrin`	`But the total number of failed disks is still the same`
`13:07.28`	`wethrin`	`Er. Maximum, even`
`13:07.33`	`Cope`	`no`
`13:07.41`	`Cope`	`you could lose b AND c`
`13:07.44`	`wethrin`	`It can still only tolerate a maximum of 3 disks`
`13:07.49`	`Cope`	`morror`
`13:07.53`	`murb`	`the rebuild time should be less with 1+0`
`13:08.00`	`murb`	`if 1+0 is what i think it is...`
`13:08.01`	`Cope`	`too many people talking at once`
`13:08.08`	`murb`	`Cope: shut up then!`
`13:08.13`	`wethrin`	`Well, I'm off for lunch!`
`13:08.27`	`Cope`	`murb: erm... i don't think so, since I was the once who first contended that SlammerXP is incorrect`
`13:10.57`	`SlammerXP`	`the maximum number of failable disks ine ach scenario is 3.`
`13:11.25`	`SlammerXP`	`saying "well if _that_ one then _that_ one and lastly _that_ one fail, then you arguably have more chance of surviving" is utterly moot.`
`13:11.31`	`z00dax`	`only if the ones you want to fail fail`
`13:11.39`	`z00dax`	`sod's law is that if a1 fails, b1 is going next :)`
`13:11.44`	`SlammerXP`	`indeed.`
`13:11.54`	`SlammerXP`	`z00dax: still no mail flow, btw`
`13:12.00`	`z00dax`	`humm ?`
`13:12.38`	`z00dax`	`but i haveto admin, given a choice - 1+0 is what i opt for rather than 0+1`
`13:13.50`	`George`	`yay`
`13:13.55`	`George`	`I got a solid A in AS Further maths`
`13:13.57`	`George`	`and a C in Chemistry :D`
`13:16.21`	`murb`	`George: is that sufficent?`
`13:16.41`	`George`	`murb: I'm now writing to my admissions tutor at cambridge asking if I can drop Chemistry ;)`
`13:16.59`	`murb`	`George: that does that mean?`
`13:17.06`	`George`	`murb: I hate chemistry`
`13:17.14`	`murb`	`why are you studing it then?`
`13:17.25`	`George`	`because it was easy`
`13:17.41`	`murb`	`then what went wrong?`
`13:18.13`	`SlammerXP`	`hmm, any list mail since about 1250 today?`
`13:18.19`	`SlammerXP`	`I've send one message that hasn't appeard here`
`13:18.50`	`George`	`murb: I can't be bothered anymore`
`13:19.34`	`murb`	`George: do you have any offers for AAAD?`
`13:19.44`	`George`	`murb: my offer for Cambridge is AAA`
`13:19.49`	`George`	`murb: I'm doing 5 A levels as it is`
`13:20.03`	`murb`	`why so many?`
`13:20.16`	`SlammerXP`	`the shitgun approach`
`13:20.19`	`SlammerXP`	`err shotgun`
`13:20.29`	`George`	`SlammerXP: ?`
`13:20.33`	`murb`	`wouldn't it be better to do IB or something i you want to study lots of things?`
`13:20.42`	`George`	`SlammerXP: I'm capable of getting As in all of them`
`13:20.53`	`George`	`murb: because my school doesn't do IB, and I don't want to do lots of things.`
`13:20.58`	`George`	`I just ended up doing lots of things.`
`13:21.00`	`George`	`because I like maths`
`13:21.08`	`George`	`IB doesn't cover maths in so much detail`
`13:21.20`	`George`	`(3 of my A levels are in Maths)`
`13:21.27`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
`13:21.58`	`George`	`and the plan was to do as many subjects as possible last year for university applications`
`13:22.04`	`George`	`then drop down to the bare minimum this year`
`13:22.40`	`murb`	`and if you fail you final alevel exams? or isnt' that possible now days?`
`13:23.34`	`George`	`murb: I will not fail my A levels.`
`13:23.40`	`George`	`murb: I got 7 As last year...`
`13:25.05`	`SlammerXP`	`proof the british educational standards are dorpping, I think`
`13:25.08`	`SlammerXP`	`that`
`13:25.10`	`SlammerXP`	`dropping`
`13:25.11`	`SlammerXP`	`bah`
`13:25.17`	`George`	`SlammerXP: hah.`
`13:26.35`	`SlammerXP`	`anyone had any list mail since about 1250 today?`
`13:26.35`	`murb`	`George: from 5 Alevels?`
`13:26.35`	`George`	`murb: 7 AS levels`
`13:26.58`	`murb`	`what is an AS level?`
`13:27.40`	`mozrat`	`morning`
`13:28.41`	`George`	`murb: first year of A levels`
`13:28.47`	`George`	`murb: they're now a separate qualification`
`13:28.54`	`George`	`murb: AS+A2 = A level`
`13:28.58`	`George`	`murb: I'm doing A2s now`
`13:30.35`	`mozrat`	`hey George`
`13:30.43`	`George`	`hey mozrat`
`13:31.03`	`murb`	`George: so why not just do 3 alevels in the first year and 2 in the 2nd?`
`13:31.26`	`George`	`murb: ?`
`13:31.32`	`George`	`murb: it doesn't work like that`
`13:31.56`	`murb`	`warum nicht?`
`13:32.37`	`George`	`murb: because... it doesn't`
`13:45.12`	`pie`	`is stephen the same person as stephenb2?`
`13:59.07`	`SlammerXP`	`anyone had any list mail since about 1250 today?`
`13:59.30`	`George`	`11:50`
`14:14.43`	`Cope`	`George: how did you do?`
`14:14.54`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: email dispatched to list for your perusal`
`14:15.16`	`George`	`Cope: As in all my maths modules`
`14:15.21`	`George`	`Cope: B in stats`
`14:15.24`	`George`	`C in Chemistry`
`14:15.32`	`Cope`	`hahahahha`
`14:15.43`	`George`	`B in stats I don't care about because I need to average 62% to get an A overall`
`14:15.48`	`George`	`and I got 75% :)`
`14:15.49`	`Cope`	`do you need anything special in chem?`
`14:15.58`	`SlammerXP`	`Cope: I may be paranoid, but I think we ahve list breakage`
`14:16.00`	`SlammerXP`	`have`
`14:16.04`	`George`	`Cope: need to average about 80%`
`14:16.43`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: I concur`
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`14:33.33`	`murb`	`George: try and get ever grade from A - E (if E exists)?`
`14:34.31`	`Cope`	`A-Level used to go A-E then N then U`
`14:34.44`	`psnl`	`what about X?`
`14:35.18`	`wethrin`	`Maybe in Scotland`
`14:35.56`	`psnl`	`that was a sly red dwarf reference`
`14:36.13`	`wethrin`	`Too sly :)`
`14:36.34`	`psnl`	`wethrin: when the hell is over, come over and watch some`
`14:37.16`	`wethrin`	`psinll? That sounds Welsh`
`14:38.31`	`SlammerXP`	`Cope: did you fix the list yet?`
`14:39.00`	`wethrin`	`Umm. Maybe DNS issues?`
`14:39.34`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: ISTP?`
`14:39.55`	`wethrin`	`Ah, no. It's Durham's DNS servers that are borked`
`14:39.56`	`SlammerXP`	`ISTP?`
`14:40.00`	`SlammerXP`	`oh right`
`14:40.07`	`wethrin`	`I See Ten People?`
`14:40.07`	`SlammerXP`	`i haven't looked for the problem`
`14:40.18`	`psnl`	`wethrin: bug reports to the normal place`
`14:40.24`	`Cope`	`SlammerXP: its hosted by jason, who is never here.`
`14:40.29`	`Cope`	`or anywhere`
`14:40.38`	`wethrin`	`~nslookup lists.gllug.org.uk`
`14:40.58`	`stephen`	`pie: nope`
`14:41.20`	`psnl`	`wethrin: that wasn't the normal place`
`14:42.00`	`wethrin`	`psnl: It's normal enough for my tastes`
`14:42.14`	`psnl`	`/dev/null works better`
`14:42.32`	`wethrin`	`Sometimes`
`14:42.49`	`pie`	`stephen, thanks`
`14:42.58`	`Cope`	`aha! a list email appears`
`14:43.20`	`angelchild`	`ahoy`
`14:56.27`	`wethrin`	`angelchild: If you try to look up the IP address of www.gllug.org.uk, what do you get?`
`14:57.09`	`angelchild`	`217.158.120.142`
`14:57.18`	`wethrin`	`thanks`
`14:57.21`	`angelchild`	`"Welcome to the UK Free Software Network"`
`14:57.33`	`wethrin`	`You're using Soton's DNS servers?`
`14:57.54`	`angelchild`	`I'd imagine so, but I don't know much about how our networks setup`
`14:58.08`	`angelchild`	`I think we might use our university departments'`
`14:58.44`	`Cope`	`217.158.120.142`
`14:59.43`	`wethrin`	`Most odd`
`14:59.51`	`wethrin`	`Everyone else other than Durham can look it up`
`15:00.07`	`wethrin`	`Yes, I've been told that none of the .org servers know where ukfsn.org is`
`15:05.05`	`murb`	`all seems to work.`
`15:05.16`	`murb`	`wethrin: from here.`
`15:05.28`	`murb`	`atleast dig ns org then dig @random.org nameserver ukfsn.org`
`15:05.32`	`psnl`	`wethrin: know how to test a .org server?`
`15:08.11`	`wethrin`	`dig @tld3.ultradns.org ns ukfsn.org`
`15:08.12`	`murb`	`http://www.zonecut.net/dns/ is the quicky and pretty way.`
`15:08.16`	`wethrin`	`Should work, no?`
`15:11.39`	`z00dax`	`fwiw, i've had email from the list in the last few minutes`
`15:11.55`	`Cope`	`likewise`
`15:12.00`	`Cope`	`but i don't see the one i sent`
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`15:12.48`	`Cope`	`aha`
`15:12.52`	`Cope`	`i sent it to the wrong list`
`15:12.54`	`Cope`	`doh`
`15:12.57`	`Cope`	`resent`
`15:14.33`	`wethrin`	`There may have been DNS issues`
`15:14.56`	`Cope`	`no - i just sent it to the admin list incorrectly`
`15:15.11`	`wethrin`	`ahh`
`15:15.16`	`Cope`	`silly`
`15:15.26`	`wethrin`	`quite`
`15:15.53`	`wethrin`	`And off to the igNobel UK tour in Edinburgh on Sunday`
`15:17.00`	`wethrin`	`Cope: You should go to the London tours`
`15:17.21`	`Cope`	`ibot cal`
`15:17.23`	`ibot`	`well, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752)`
`15:18.00`	`Cope`	`grr(14th March)`
`15:18.12`	`wethrin`	`Tuesday?`
`15:18.24`	`wethrin`	`yes, Tuesday 14th`
`15:18.28`	`Cope`	`yes indeed`
`15:18.33`	`Cope`	`sunlive 2006`
`15:18.34`	`wethrin`	`But there's no tour then`
`15:18.35`	`wethrin`	`Ahh`
`15:18.39`	`Cope`	`for which i have a ticket`
`15:18.44`	`wethrin`	`16th and 17th March is the London tour`
`15:18.52`	`Cope`	`but, on which day I have william`
`15:19.03`	`wethrin`	`Guardian Newsroom Archive & Visitor Centre (16th), Imperial College (17th)`
`15:19.21`	`z00dax`	`wethrin, i had to cancel my tickets for the 17th`
`15:19.28`	`z00dax`	`and they seem to be sold out for the 16th`
`15:19.30`	`wethrin`	`booo hiss`
`15:19.40`	`z00dax`	`:(`
`15:19.41`	`wethrin`	`Ahh. Actually, both are fully booked`
`15:22.45`	`pie`	`I am with Cope on the raid issue.`
`15:23.20`	`pie`	`Although he did post the same item twice within the same email :)`
`15:24.28`	`Cope`	`oooer`
`15:24.52`	`wethrin`	`Yeah, I agree that it's more resilient`
`15:25.02`	`Cope`	`pie: yes - a mess, as I 'forwarded' the gllugadmin email to the real list, and forgot to trim.`
`15:25.49`	`pie`	`Cope, Your RAID prowess is impressing the ladies, way to go!`
`15:26.06`	`angelchild`	`hehe`
`15:26.33`	`Leeds`	`pie!`
`15:26.36`	`angelchild`	`you might get arrested doing that :)`
`15:26.43`	`pie`	`Sorry.`
`15:27.23`	`wethrin`	`Hehe`
`15:27.31`	`Cope`	`mmmm, ickle first years`
`15:27.32`	`Leeds`	`you're pimping who?`
`15:27.41`	`Cope`	`Leeds: whom`
`15:27.50`	`wethrin`	`Cope: pedant`
`15:28.49`	`Cope`	`wethrin: Where do we draw the line? When does insistence upon correct use of language become pedantry?`
`15:29.45`	`wethrin`	`When it's correcting minor infractions which don't affect the meaning of the sentence`
`15:29.54`	`wethrin`	`Note I never said there's anything wrong with being pedantic`
`15:32.13`	`Cope`	`of course`
`15:32.49`	`wethrin`	`Hmmm`
`15:32.59`	`wethrin`	`There's two copies on amazon`
`15:33.33`	`Leeds`	`on a boat?`
`15:33.48`	`wethrin`	`One from Oxford Language Classics Series; the other not`
`15:38.05`	`Leeds`	`some cities have air... Hong Kong currently has warm water, with a few bubbles of warm air in it`
`15:46.09`	`SlammerXP`	`Cope: thatnyou for introducing me to a new experience.`
`15:46.12`	`SlammerXP`	`thankyou`
`15:47.00`	`SlammerXP`	`I now live in a universe where you have been right and I have been wrong.`
`15:47.29`	`Cope`	`these anomalies happen once every few million years`
`15:51.18`	`Leeds`	`http://lwn.net/Articles/174930/`
`15:55.40`	`pie`	`Ahh, just goes to show how lame debian is compared to RHEL! </troll>`
`15:58.43`	`pie`	`lame lame lame!`
`16:04.08`	`z00dax`	`considering people are paid to work on fixing rhel, it might not be a good comparison`
`16:04.23`	`z00dax`	`but.... a satisfying one to make!`
`16:06.27`	`Cope`	`z00dax: well that's precisely the point`
`16:07.05`	`Cope`	`much as I love debian, its another good reason why 'industry' has never embraced it; its based on 'volunteers' who can 'give up'.`
`16:16.19`	`angelchild`	`if anything it needs more formal structure to be successful in a context where you want anyone to actually use it`
`16:17.29`	`angelchild`	`just from what I can see that is, I'm not as knowledgable as most people in here I guess`
`16:18.26`	`Cope`	`hmm`
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`16:33.30`	`Leeds`	`morning ldnblk`
`16:41.26`	`Leeds`	`zzzz`
`16:44.57`	`ldnblk`	`hi there leeds how ya doing, sorry for the delay, how's hong kong ?`
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`17:02.18`	`wethrin`	`Hello again`
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`17:24.05`	`cbz`	`morning.`
`17:30.17`	`George`	`ello`
`17:32.48`	`cbz`	`hello george`
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`17:42.18`	`George`	`moo`
`17:42.19`	`George`	`moo I say`
`17:42.20`	`George`	`moo!`
`17:42.36`	`gregj`	`foo moo`
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`17:48.04`	`pie`	`I suspect my USB HD is fuxorred: badblocks: Input/output error during ext2fs_sync_device`
`17:49.54`	`wethrin`	`Indeed`
`17:50.11`	`George`	`the question now is: what did wethrin do to it`
`17:50.41`	`pie`	`I blame, um, debian.`
`17:50.48`	`George`	`lol`
`17:50.58`	`pie`	`debian did it. Although I am using FC5test3`
`17:51.09`	`wethrin`	`Blame Debian`
`17:51.11`	`wethrin`	`I always do`
`17:51.41`	`wethrin`	`You could also blame George`
`17:51.41`	`pie`	`<sfx>blame blame</sfx>`
`17:51.56`	`pie`	`<sfx>blame blame</sfx>`
`17:52.13`	`George`	`hrmmph`
`17:52.14`	`pie`	`Well, that seemed to be pretty fair and democratic.`
`17:52.19`	`George`	`it's all wethrin's fault`
`17:52.23`	`George`	`wetrin used the force.`
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`20:56.03`	`wethrin`	`It's been rather quiet here`
`21:00.29`	`stephanb2`	`wethrin: been in the other room trying to build a minimal fc4`
`21:00.29`	`stephanb2`	`s/build/install`
`21:04.50`	`SlammerXP`	`i'm working on the world's most complex mail hub`
`21:06.08`	`SlammerXP`	`seriously complex.`
`21:13.49`	`stephanb2`	`wots going on here?`
`21:30.04`	`wethrin`	`SlammerXP: How 'complex'?`
`21:30.46`	`SlammerXP`	`along the lines of:`
`21:30.50`	`SlammerXP`	`for N domains`
`21:31.12`	`SlammerXP`	`some domains are virtual, lookup aliases and forward or fail`
`21:31.25`	`wethrin`	`Okay`
`21:31.45`	`SlammerXP`	`if not, check to see if the domain is hubbed, in which case look up the mail hub and deliver accordingly`
`21:32.22`	`wethrin`	`by 'if not', you mean if the domain isn't virtual?`
`21:32.26`	`SlammerXP`	`yes`
`21:32.35`	`wethrin`	`'hubbed'?`
`21:32.52`	`wethrin`	`Look up the MX records?`
`21:32.55`	`SlammerXP`	`yes, you accept mail, but don't attempt local delivery, you pass it on elsewhere`
`21:33.01`	`wethrin`	`Ahha, right`
`21:33.04`	`SlammerXP`	`either by MX records or a preset static route`
`21:33.21`	`SlammerXP`	`the preset route has priority`
`21:33.22`	`wethrin`	`So far doesn't sound too bad`
`21:33.51`	`SlammerXP`	`for non-virtual, non-hubbed domains, check to see if the domain is consider part of the local cyrus server`
`21:34.20`	`SlammerXP`	`if so, attempt to deliver to cyrus via lmtp`
`21:34.48`	`wethrin`	`right`
`21:35.13`	`SlammerXP`	`regardless of the domain, when you get a connection grab some data from a database`
`21:35.24`	`wethrin`	`greylisting?`
`21:35.44`	`SlammerXP`	`find out if mail to the domain should be greylisted, checked for viruses and checked for spam`
`21:36.27`	`SlammerXP`	`if so, take appropriate actions, unless there is a specific override not to greylist based on either the sender or the origin network`
`21:36.52`	`SlammerXP`	`or if there's an overide on the sender or recipient not to check for spam, or viruses, or both`
`21:37.07`	`wethrin`	`It sounds complex, but maybe not "world's most complex"`
`21:37.17`	`SlammerXP`	`did I say I was finished? :)`
`21:37.42`	`wethrin`	`Ahh. point :)`
`21:37.46`	`wethrin`	`Carry on`
`21:38.25`	`SlammerXP`	`for spam mail, check to see if spam should be rejected, have the subjected rewritten, or have the recipient overridden`
`21:38.33`	`SlammerXP`	`this is a per domain setting`
`21:39.02`	`SlammerXP`	`for virus mail, check to see if the infected message should be rejected, have the subjected rewritten, or have the recipient overridden`
`21:39.08`	`SlammerXP`	`this is a per domain setting`
`21:39.55`	`SlammerXP`	`in both cases about, check the message to see if it includes an override in the subject, in which case bypass all checks and deliver directly`
`21:40.53`	`SlammerXP`	`on a per domain basis, infinitely extend the geylist block period when required for certain sender ip/sender domain combinations`
`21:41.37`	`SlammerXP`	`handle mailman messages without needing an alias section for each mailing list`
`21:41.58`	`SlammerXP`	`and most likely some other stuff I've forgotten for the minute`
`21:45.35`	`wethrin`	`Okay. That is rather complex :)`
`21:50.34`	`SlammerXP`	`i'm alsmot finished though`
`22:14.47`	`mozrat`	`evening`
`22:15.54`	`angelchild`	`morning`
`22:21.32`	`mozrat`	`how are you angelchild`
`22:22.15`	`angelchild`	`tired :) and working on a presentation I'm giving next week on how to make game mods using the Unreal engine`
`22:23.14`	`mozrat`	`sounds cool`
`22:30.42`	`stephanb2`	`cu guys tmr`
`22:30.49`	`stephanb2`	`good evening`
`22:30.53`	`*** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=stef@88-111-3-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`22:31.36`	`*** join/#gllug IAmAI (n=iamai@host-84-9-40-164.bulldogdsl.com)`
`22:31.55`	`IAmAI`	`Hello`
`22:32.23`	`wethrin`	`hi`
`22:32.42`	`IAmAI`	`I can't seem to connect to slashdot.org on my Linux box`
`22:32.45`	`IAmAI`	`I can on Windows`
`22:33.00`	`wethrin`	`Maybe Slashdot has blocked access from Linux? :)`
`22:33.17`	`IAmAI`	`I can connect using Lynx`
`22:33.20`	`IAmAI`	`But not Firefox 1.5`
`22:33.29`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. And you can connect to other sites?`
`22:33.38`	`wethrin`	`Maybe it's not a bad thing not being able to connect to slashdot`
`22:34.06`	`IAmAI`	`Yup.`
`22:34.20`	`IAmAI`	`Whoa! Slashdot!`
`22:34.38`	`wethrin`	`Oh dear :)`
`22:35.42`	`IAmAI`	`It's just very slow I think`
`22:36.00`	`IAmAI`	`It takes ages on 'connecting to www.google-analytics.com'`
`22:36.35`	`wethrin`	`mmm`
`22:54.10`	`*** join/#gllug puckman (n=gerard@dynamic-212-225-59-82.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk)`
`23:01.28`	`Leeds`	`morning puckman, all`
`23:03.29`	`puckman`	`not where I'm sitting Leeds.`
`23:04.07`	`Leeds`	`true`
`23:05.54`	`Leeds`	`hmm... google office takes a step forward`
`23:22.57`	`puckman`	`where?`
`23:23.43`	`puckman`	`i saw an article somewhere where ms said some crap about odf being anti open standards or something and open office variants 10 year behind`
`23:23.44`	`puckman`	`lol`
`23:26.56`	`Leeds`	`google just bought writely, a rather good web-based word processor`
`23:29.05`	`*** join/#gllug ldnblk (n=Just@212.183.128.185)`
`23:33.45`	`ldnblk`	`good evening all`
`23:34.49`	`George`	`hey`
`23:35.11`	`Leeds`	`morning ldnblk`
`23:35.52`	`ldnblk`	`hello leeds missed you earlier on how ya doing man ?`
`23:36.30`	`ldnblk`	`George: how is kde development coming on ?`
`23:36.54`	`George`	`ha.ha.ha.ha.ha.`
`23:37.09`	`George`	`anyone care to guess the last time I wrote any code, be it KDE or otherwise? :)`
`23:37.27`	`ldnblk`	`i care :-)`
`23:37.36`	`Leeds`	`you never wrote any code - it was all posing`
`23:37.43`	`George`	`Leeds: :)`
`23:37.59`	`George`	`Leeds: yeah, I locked a coder in the basement and feed him pizza every so often`
`23:38.44`	`Leeds`	`slide it under the door?`
`23:38.54`	`George`	`yes`
`23:38.55`	`ldnblk`	`u still in hong kong leeds ?`
`23:39.15`	`wethrin`	`George: Isn't it past your bedtime?`
`23:39.31`	`Leeds`	`ldnblk: yup - got back here on Wednesday evening from a week in Australia :-)`
`23:39.33`	`George`	`wethrin: harharharhar`
`23:40.34`	`ldnblk`	`george what development applications have you used ?`
`23:40.48`	`George`	`ldnblk: kate+bash+konsole+gcc`
`23:41.04`	`ldnblk`	`oh gcc`
`23:41.40`	`ldnblk`	`so do you build your own packages for gentoo <rpm's> ?`
`23:41.54`	`George`	`no`
`23:42.49`	`George`	`I let the package maintainers sort all that crap out :)`
`23:43.29`	`ldnblk`	`so do you provide them with obj files ?`
`23:43.38`	`George`	`no`
`23:43.42`	`George`	`source code`
`23:43.56`	`George`	`I just commit my stuff upstream to the KDE repositories`
`23:44.24`	`ldnblk`	`oic`
`23:45.07`	`George`	`heh`
`23:45.23`	`ldnblk`	`george i finally managed to get mplayer working !`
`23:45.31`	`ldnblk`	`boy what a slog that was`
`23:45.36`	`Leeds`	`oik? oik??? You, sir, an an... oh, I see...`
`23:46.10`	`George`	`ldnblk: mplayer rocks`
`23:46.15`	`George`	`it's just a complete bitch to set up`
`23:46.23`	`ldnblk`	`your not far wrong there`
`23:46.59`	`ldnblk`	`well where there is a will there is always away, it just took me ages to find it`
`23:47.13`	`George`	`heh`
`23:47.53`	`Leeds`	`George: stop that`
`23:47.56`	`Leeds`	`and mplayer rocks`
`23:48.19`	`Leeds`	`it rocks so much that... it's like... a very big stone`
`23:48.21`	`ldnblk`	`now what i need is to get bluetooth working and a dvd sampler`
`23:48.37`	`Leeds`	`sampler?`
`23:48.52`	`ldnblk`	`leeds: dvd ripper`
`23:49.04`	`Leeds`	`ah :-)`
`23:49.06`	`George`	`mplayer will do that`
`23:49.08`	`Leeds`	`tovid`
`23:49.20`	`ldnblk`	`really george, how ?`
`23:49.26`	`Leeds`	`lots of dependencies, but has impressed me recently`
`23:49.29`	`George`	`mencoder`
`23:49.45`	`Leeds`	`alternatively, if you've got the disk space, "mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile foo.vob dvd://1"`
`23:49.57`	`ldnblk`	`is that another package that i've got to troll the net for ?`
`23:50.44`	`George`	`ldnblk: you might already have it`
`23:50.51`	`George`	`ldnblk: it's part of mplayer`
`23:51.03`	`George`	`mencoder dvd://1 -oac copy -ovc copy -o foo.avi ;)`
`23:51.36`	`ldnblk`	`so how do i go about finding it ? as i am using mplayer from the skin`
`23:51.57`	`George`	`try typing mencoder in the etterminal`
`23:52.26`	`ldnblk`	`if its there what response should i c ?`
`23:52.27`	`Leeds`	`George: I prefer mine, if you've got the disk space - and we know you've got the disk space`
`23:52.55`	`George`	`I have the disk space??`
`23:53.05`	`George`	`george@iridium ~ $ mencoder`
`23:53.05`	`George`	`MEncoder 1.0pre7try2-3.4.4 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team`
`23:53.05`	`George`	`CPU: Intel (Family: 6, Stepping: 8)`
`23:53.05`	`George`	`Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes`
`23:53.05`	`George`	`CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1`
`23:53.08`	`George`	`Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx SSE SSE2`
`23:53.10`	`George`	`something like that`
`23:54.04`	`ldnblk`	`thanx4that`
`23:55.38`	`ldnblk`	`so is it possible with mplayer to capure video to disk ?`
`23:55.58`	`George`	`yes`
`23:58.50`	`Leeds`	`ldnblk: did you see the line I gave you above?`

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