| 00:01.18 | Blapto | night |
| 00:01.26 | wethrin | night |
| 00:02.53 | angelchild | day |
| 00:03.01 | angelchild | gn :p |
| 00:44.17 | Leeds | argh |
| 01:34.50 | *** join/#gllug LeedsHK (n=richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 06:28.18 | LeedsHK | ibot change 250 hkd to gbp |
| 07:07.45 | TimMagic | ibot tell TimMagic he smells |
| 07:08.16 | TimMagic | <ibot> No, timmagic, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 07:08.21 | TimMagic | hehe |
| 07:18.22 | LeedsHK | ibot tell TimMagic about Leeds |
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| 07:29.11 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:29.36 | TimMagic | yo |
| 07:43.34 | morsing | Check it! |
| 08:02.38 | mozrat | Morning |
| 08:02.59 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:03.26 | mozrat | hey morsing |
| 08:04.27 | LeedsHK | TimMagic: are you really magic? |
| 08:05.47 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 08:05.53 | morsing | LeedsHK: Why were you hiding? |
| 08:06.34 | LeedsHK | hiding? I was in a meeting... |
| 08:06.50 | morsing | Cool |
| 08:06.52 | morsing | About? |
| 08:07.04 | morsing | And what did you have for breakfast? |
| 08:07.07 | LeedsHK | regular daily-ish meeting |
| 08:07.31 | morsing | LeedsHK: So you're allowed to go to meetings?! That's so cool! |
| 08:07.53 | LeedsHK | weetabix, juice (end of the carton, so very thick), toast (accidentally bought the wrong bread yesterday) |
| 08:08.44 | LeedsHK | my cousin is trying to get me out of the "I'm an IT guy, none of the rest is my business" mindset |
| 08:08.49 | morsing | LeedsHK: Sounds great |
| 08:14.16 | morsing | LeedsHK: That really is good though, wish my manager would understand that... |
| 08:15.59 | mozrat | morsing: are you still resigning today? |
| 08:16.13 | LeedsHK | morsing: you would like to get out of IT and into fabric sourcing? |
| 08:17.04 | LeedsHK | argh! |
| 08:18.14 | LeedsHK | we have a PABX-type box here... and an added voicemail box sitting on top of it... my cousin has now twice missed a call during the meeting (even though the meeting is held at the table in his office) because it's stopped ringing before he got there |
| 08:18.32 | LeedsHK | he expressed a desire to have it ring for longer before ringing off... |
| 08:18.45 | LeedsHK | I quote from an internal email: |
| 08:18.55 | LeedsHK | "Regarding the ringtone duration adjustment, the service provider can send a technician to us for help. Charge would be HK$430/hour. Usually the adjustment work needs less than half an hour." |
| 08:20.20 | LeedsHK | HK$200 isn't exactly a huge amount of money, but the idea of having to pay someone to come to the office to change the number of rings before the voicemail picks up is mind-boggling! Suddenly I see the point of asterisk... |
| 08:20.49 | mozrat | asterisk++ |
| 08:21.53 | morsing | mozrat: Yes - prepared my letter an all |
| 08:21.57 | morsing | LeedsHK: Yes |
| 08:22.21 | LeedsHK | morsing: does it contain the phrase "YHBT. HAND."? |
| 08:22.29 | morsing | ibot YHBT |
| 08:22.31 | ibot | i guess yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 08:22.36 | morsing | ibot HAND |
| 08:22.37 | ibot | ACTION talk to the hand, morsing! |
| 08:22.47 | morsing | LeedsHK: Eh |
| 08:22.48 | morsing | ? |
| 08:23.01 | LeedsHK | Have A Nice Day |
| 08:25.01 | mozrat | morsing: do you have other work lined up? |
| 08:26.01 | morsing | mozrat: Barclaycard |
| 08:26.36 | mozrat | morsing: oh cool |
| 08:26.39 | mozrat | bbiab |
| 08:39.50 | LeedsHK | hmm... myspace |
| 08:42.56 | LeedsHK | isn't that just for teenagers? |
| 08:49.53 | LeedsHK | http://tinyurl.com/d7c8t and the follow-ups http://tinyurl.com/ngjbr and http://tinyurl.com/n99l2 |
| 08:59.37 | morsing | LeedsHK: You'd think so |
| 09:00.11 | LeedsHK | both my sisters seem to be on it |
| 09:01.51 | morsing | LeedsHK: I recently found out a 26 year old ex-colleague is there |
| 09:03.17 | LeedsHK | I've seen mentions of it being the 6th most popular site - dunno if that's by visits or vistitors, and it's probably using Alexa so ignoring non-IE people |
| 09:14.50 | LeedsHK | http://classtab.org/zanroman.txt |
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| 09:18.42 | LeedsHK | SlayerME! |
| 09:20.38 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:24.06 | mozrat | Slayer3.1 !! |
| 09:24.24 | LeedsHK | ibot seen slayerme |
| 09:24.31 | ibot | slayerme <~mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 564d 12h 38m 53s ago, saying: 'to, dammit'. |
| 09:27.10 | morsing | It done! |
| 09:27.13 | morsing | I'm history |
| 09:27.21 | morsing | My days at Camelot are counted |
| 09:27.24 | morsing | Bye bye |
| 09:27.28 | LeedsHK | congrats |
| 09:27.31 | morsing | :-) |
| 09:27.45 | LeedsHK | are you going to be sticking around and working notice? |
| 09:27.50 | morsing | Yes |
| 09:30.15 | LeedsHK | are you going to take every single minute of your work seriously from now until the end, or are you going to come in late and drunk every day? :-) |
| 09:32.31 | mozrat | ...and will they know the difference? |
| 09:32.54 | morsing | They wouldn't know. I hang-out by the coffee machine most of the time anyway |
| 09:33.18 | SlayerXP | i always thought you mus tbe the guy who made the tea |
| 09:33.25 | SlayerXP | and handed out the biscuits |
| 09:33.41 | LeedsHK | I missed biscuits? |
| 09:34.09 | LeedsHK | morsing: be honest, you're only leaving because you've finally realised I will probably never work in Watford again for the rest of my life, right? |
| 09:35.13 | mozrat | How was the Norwegian Winter, SlayerXP ? I haven't seen much of you here.. |
| 09:35.27 | SlayerXP | thw inter has been rather mild |
| 09:35.31 | SlayerXP | the winter |
| 09:35.42 | SlayerXP | lowest temperature has been -22 |
| 09:35.56 | SlayerXP | we've had snow on the ground for much of the past 2 months |
| 09:36.05 | SlayerXP | i went skiing for the first time ever yesterday |
| 09:36.10 | SlayerXP | I fell on my arse a lot. |
| 09:36.17 | mozrat | heh - I remember my first time skiing |
| 09:36.41 | mozrat | It's all in the knees |
| 09:36.42 | LeedsHK | hmm... why has my mail system forgotten the different between unseen and unread? |
| 09:40.47 | morsing | LeedsHK: To be honest it's never been the same here since Shirley left about three weeks ago |
| 09:41.05 | LeedsHK | morsing: strange... Shirley is still here |
| 09:42.47 | morsing | I'll miss looking at Faye though :-( |
| 09:42.57 | LeedsHK | take a photo - it lasts longer |
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| 09:53.27 | stephanb2 | yo yo yo |
| 09:53.31 | stephanb2 | its mondaaaaaay |
| 09:54.00 | LeedsHK | stop shouting |
| 09:54.29 | stephanb2 | ibot: -18dB |
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| 09:55.55 | z00-mobile | heya! |
| 09:56.11 | mozrat | hey hey |
| 09:56.22 | mozrat | ibot hug stephanb2 |
| 09:56.23 | ibot | ACTION hugs stephanb2 |
| 09:56.35 | stephanb2 | mozrat, z00-mobile ! |
| 09:56.38 | LeedsHK | z00-mobile: you've gone mobile? |
| 09:57.31 | LeedsHK | hmm... apparently the army had a bomb-disposal robot working on something at the end of my parents' street in Leeds last night... |
| 09:57.48 | mozrat | stephanb2: what were you trying to get ibot to do? |
| 09:58.36 | stephanb2 | mozrat: turn the volume down 18dB because im too loud for LeedsHK |
| 09:58.45 | stephanb2 | i don't think ibot can do that |
| 09:59.03 | LeedsHK | http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1358328 |
| 10:00.14 | LeedsHK | for the record, the "exclusive area of Leeds" also happens to be the Jewish area of Leeds... |
| 10:00.27 | mozrat | mmph |
| 10:00.29 | mozrat | sm@linux:~> ssh Administrator@152.146.177.182 |
| 10:00.29 | mozrat | Administrator@152.146.177.182's password: |
| 10:00.29 | mozrat | dispatch_protocol_error: type 100 seq 9 |
| 10:00.30 | mozrat | buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0 |
| 10:00.32 | mozrat | buffer_get_int: buffer error |
| 10:06.27 | LeedsHK | people don't tend to blow up houses in Leeds - it's not the way things are done |
| 10:06.58 | wethrin | They move from Leeds to London to do that? :) |
| 10:07.52 | LeedsHK | right - that's the traditional method |
| 10:07.55 | z00-mobile | @ the belgian embassy |
| 10:08.39 | z00-mobile | the guy here said turn off all mobiles but if u want pda usage is ok |
| 10:08.43 | LeedsHK | z00-mobile: for a visa? |
| 10:08.58 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:09.00 | z00-mobile | visa for Fosdem |
| 10:09.25 | wethrin | "I wish to contribute to the economy of your country by drinking vast quantities of BOOZE" |
| 10:09.28 | LeedsHK | no, I can understand that - mobile make noises, PDAs don't (tend to, unless you play music/video or something) |
| 10:10.15 | z00-mobile | wethrin - I ticked the sport & cultural event |
| 10:10.19 | wethrin | LeedsHK: What about just a big sign saying "Visas will be DENIED to anyone talking on mobile phones" |
| 10:10.30 | LeedsHK | wethrin: that would do just fine, yes |
| 10:10.51 | LeedsHK | you'd have to include "or anyone with a ringtone consisting or more than 3 tones" |
| 10:11.04 | z00-mobile | drink + walk + talk + meet people = sport ? |
| 10:11.29 | LeedsHK | nah, it's cultural |
| 10:11.49 | LeedsHK | fostering European unity by sharing of bread and wine (well, dodgy sandwiches and beer, which is close enough) |
| 10:11.53 | z00-mobile | Im up for my chat with the pretty blond! |
| 10:12.09 | LeedsHK | good luck :-) |
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| 10:43.58 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 10:55.37 | rhowe | mornin' |
| 10:56.18 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 10:56.43 | morsing | Mmm... I'm actually quite relaxed |
| 10:58.26 | stephanb2 | rhowe! morsing! |
| 11:26.02 | morsing | Check it! |
| 11:26.06 | morsing | ~seen Cope |
| 11:26.08 | ibot | cope is currently on #debian #gllug. Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 11h 47m 24s, last said: 'sleeping time - soon be waking time'. |
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| 11:33.15 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 11:34.11 | kbsingh | morsing ! |
| 11:34.35 | morsing | Excuse me if I'm ignorant but can I go down to my bank and ask for a £5800 bankers draft and have it the same day? |
| 11:35.06 | kbsingh | yes |
| 11:35.23 | kbsingh | but it might be a good idea to call the branch first - save you hanging around while they get this done |
| 11:36.05 | kbsingh | dont quote me on this, but you are looking to pay about £20 for a £5800 DD |
| 11:36.51 | morsing | kbsingh: Cool |
| 11:36.56 | morsing | I'll call them today |
| 11:37.16 | morsing | Well, hmm..., my paycheck comes in tomorrow... |
| 11:37.19 | wethrin | heh |
| 11:37.24 | wethrin | kbsingh: Did you get your visa? |
| 11:37.59 | kbsingh | wethrin, the blondie didnt confirm, just said that 'it would be ready by 11:00am Tuesday' |
| 11:38.24 | kbsingh | I asked : is that a yes or a no ? and the reply was 'it will be ready, as I just said' |
| 11:38.35 | kbsingh | rather than finger further, I left it at that |
| 11:40.15 | wethrin | Hmm. Silly Belgians |
| 11:50.27 | morsing | http://www.hearseclub.co.uk/images/mags/mourning_news_17.jpg |
| 11:54.48 | Blapto | Mourning news, I see what they did there |
| 11:54.49 | Blapto | How witty! |
| 11:55.24 | wethrin | Hands up who's looking forward to this Friday |
| 11:57.03 | kbsingh | me! |
| 11:57.08 | morsing | http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/251850.html |
| 12:02.02 | *** part/#gllug stephanb2 (n=chatzill@64.236.9.165) |
| 12:08.26 | wethrin | yay |
| 12:33.14 | rhowe | morsing: Not sure about a banker's draft... I know for a foreign draft at Natwest, you apply in the branch and then they post it to you.. takes about 4 working days IIRC |
| 12:54.04 | rhowe | wethrin: Indeed |
| 12:54.11 | wethrin | You giving me cash at Fosdem? |
| 12:54.36 | rhowe | wethrin: Might as well. I'll bring both EUR and GBP, and you can take your pick |
| 12:54.48 | rhowe | wethrin: Given the exchange rate you quoted, I'd rather give you EUR :P |
| 12:54.52 | wethrin | Fine :-P |
| 12:55.01 | wethrin | Exchange rates differ |
| 12:55.11 | wethrin | ~change 30EUR to GBP |
| 12:55.19 | wethrin | ~change 30 EUR to GBP |
| 12:55.51 | rhowe | wethrin: Well, I've already got EUR130.. should be enough for the weekend and to give you EUR30 |
| 12:55.58 | wethrin | Haha :-) |
| 12:56.26 | wethrin | Does that include a 25EUR Fosdem donation to get a t-shirt? |
| 12:56.33 | rhowe | It may |
| 12:57.32 | morsing | wethrin: Very sorry |
| 12:57.35 | wethrin | morsing: ? |
| 12:57.58 | morsing | 12:49 * wethrin reminds people that owe him money, that they owe him money |
| 12:58.10 | wethrin | morsing: I thought you said you transferred money? |
| 13:00.17 | morsing | wethrin: I just did now |
| 13:00.19 | morsing | Sorry |
| 13:00.26 | wethrin | morsing: That's okay |
| 13:00.40 | wethrin | I'd get the money off you at Fosdem otherwise :) |
| 13:03.30 | morsing | When is a string true in perl? |
| 13:03.40 | morsing | Shouldn't it be if it's defined? |
| 13:11.30 | morsing | Blapto? |
| 13:14.10 | morsing | Hello? |
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| 13:19.08 | zachary | moin/afternoon |
| 13:23.12 | morsing | Bizarre |
| 13:24.09 | morsing | zachary! |
| 13:24.14 | morsing | How are you? |
| 13:32.25 | gregj | morsing: and what it does ? |
| 13:33.01 | SlayerXP | gregj: it prints the message "bad command or filename" |
| 13:33.08 | SlayerXP | very useful |
| 13:33.09 | gregj | :> |
| 13:33.10 | gregj | man f ? |
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| 13:37.19 | morsing | stephanb2! |
| 13:37.40 | morsing | According to the AIX man page: |
| 13:37.41 | morsing | Shows user information. This command is the same as the finger command. |
| 13:39.24 | zachary | morsing, pretty good. u? |
| 13:39.41 | morsing | zachary: Yeah, resigned this morning |
| 13:40.22 | morsing | And acidentally won an ebay auction on Saturday |
| 13:41.38 | zachary | oops. So I taked it, it wasn't for a better job? |
| 13:42.54 | morsing | zachary: Not really, I just had to leave |
| 13:46.28 | zachary | I'm still in the ranks of the unemployed. But hopefully that will change. I have an offer for partnership in a business startup. |
| 13:47.09 | SlayerXP | starting my own business was the best thing I ever did |
| 13:47.43 | zachary | SlayerXP, that's what I'm hoping. At least I won't have to cut my hair. :) |
| 13:48.10 | SlayerXP | no. but you will get to work 6 days a week minimum, for mostly no pay whatsoever. |
| 13:48.21 | zachary | But I do need to chop off a good 15cm |
| 13:51.12 | stephanb2 | morsing: wat did u win on ebay? |
| 13:51.31 | SlayerXP | a philipino bride |
| 13:51.33 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4612860917&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 13:52.27 | stephanb2 | morsing: 1970! what processor does that run on ??? |
| 13:52.36 | morsing | 8008 |
| 13:52.37 | SlayerXP | morsing: you're on crack. |
| 13:52.43 | morsing | SlayerXP: What? |
| 13:52.54 | morsing | SlayerXP: What?! |
| 13:53.12 | SlayerXP | you bought a 35 year old car for half the price of a brand new one |
| 13:53.35 | rhowe | morsing: Did it come with a petrol tanker? |
| 13:53.41 | stephanb2 | morsing: hum the 8008 wasn't out yet, more likely 4004 |
| 13:53.52 | morsing | SlayerXP: Brand new cars suck |
| 13:53.57 | morsing | rhowe: No |
| 13:54.04 | stephanb2 | rhowe: no, u can get a biofuel hybrid conversion |
| 13:54.11 | rhowe | morsing: Oh well, so you'll be converting it to run on chip fat then? :) |
| 13:54.15 | rhowe | stephanb2: *nod* :) |
| 13:54.17 | morsing | rhowe: No |
| 13:54.30 | morsing | Stupid thing is I have a fuel card in my current job |
| 13:54.39 | morsing | But wont get one in my new job |
| 13:54.48 | stephanb2 | only joking. I have a hunch only diesel engines run on biofuel |
| 13:55.44 | stephanb2 | April 1972 Intel introduces its 200-KHz 8008 chip, the first commercial 8-bit microprocessor. |
| 13:56.26 | morsing | stephanb2: Cars has never needed microprocessors |
| 13:57.04 | zachary | definately could use an upgrade, 4-way smp, wifi surely, raid! |
| 13:58.06 | rhowe | grr |
| 13:59.44 | kbsingh | a CHevelle!!!!!! |
| 13:59.46 | kbsingh | morsing, yay! |
| 14:00.49 | kbsingh | I am not sure what you guys are on about half price, I'd imagine it, when new, sold for about the same price or lesser |
| 14:01.25 | kbsingh | I am not so sure about the flaming red though |
| 14:02.29 | JAV | Afternoon |
| 14:02.39 | morsing | kbsingh: Nah, the colour is a bit bright |
| 14:03.07 | kbsingh | morsing, that colour has GOT to change :) |
| 14:04.03 | kbsingh | maybe ford-gt style racing lines across the middle! |
| 14:04.23 | morsing | kbsingh: Are you referring to SS stribes? |
| 14:05.04 | kbsingh | something like that |
| 14:09.53 | kbsingh | morsing, go pick it up today - lets drive to Fosdem |
| 14:15.28 | morsing | kbsingh: Picking it up tomorrow |
| 14:15.35 | morsing | It's in Enfield |
| 14:15.49 | kbsingh | and driving to fosdem ? |
| 14:15.53 | morsing | No :) |
| 14:16.03 | kbsingh | I'll split the cost of fuel with you, if you want |
| 14:16.13 | kbsingh | cant imagine that 5.8l engine is high on milage |
| 14:16.57 | morsing | Probably not that bad |
| 14:17.23 | morsing | kbsingh: The original 7.0l engine was pulled out 4 years ago and replaced with the 5.7l :-( |
| 14:17.46 | kbsingh | tragic! |
| 14:18.28 | kbsingh | you know what - that red isnt that bad, its quite ok actually, the problem is that there is just too much of it. |
| 14:19.02 | kbsingh | black stripes across the middle, ( even though the new mini's have made such stripes kinda pedestrian these days ) |
| 14:20.21 | morsing | http://www.nofearmotorsports.com/index.cfm?action=get_car_page&id=192 |
| 14:20.27 | morsing | http://www.seriouswheels.com/1970-1979/1971-Chevrolet-Chevelle-SS-Hardtop-Red-Black-Stripes-FA.htm |
| 14:21.05 | morsing | http://www.cars-on-line.com/23446.html |
| 14:21.10 | kbsingh | hey that loks nice - but that red is a few counts darker ( or seems to be ) and those chrome edges look nice |
| 14:24.12 | kbsingh | morsing, looks like you are in for some fun this summer :) |
| 14:26.26 | morsing | kbsingh: Yay :-) |
| 14:26.52 | morsing | Actually I might drive to Evil Daves mini LBW in Wales in it |
| 14:26.56 | morsing | When is that? |
| 14:27.41 | kbsingh | does this have a converter or does it run 'regular' 4-start type petrol ? |
| 14:28.06 | murb | morsing: driving from London? |
| 14:28.20 | morsing | murb: Aylesbury |
| 14:28.30 | morsing | kbsingh: Eh? |
| 14:28.46 | murb | morsing: i might be driving from .de |
| 14:30.15 | morsing | murb: Cool |
| 14:30.21 | morsing | murb: I a Ford Focus? |
| 14:30.26 | morsing | s/I/in/ |
| 14:30.42 | murb | morsing: in a car we've yet to buy. |
| 14:34.23 | morsing | murb: http://cgi.ebay.de/Plymouth-Fury-III-vom-1969_W0QQitemZ4612501061QQcategoryZ45625QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 14:34.41 | morsing | formi! |
| 14:34.47 | formi | hello |
| 14:35.03 | formi | has pdr been active lately? |
| 14:35.08 | murb | morsing: not buying in the uk. |
| 14:35.15 | murb | or from ebay. |
| 14:35.25 | murb | formi: still planning on being at fosdem? |
| 14:35.37 | formi | if i can get hold of pdr! |
| 14:35.37 | morsing | murb: That was german! |
| 14:35.46 | morsing | murb: Why not ebay? |
| 14:36.11 | murb | morsing: ohne tuev... |
| 14:36.12 | formi | murb: not really |
| 14:36.43 | murb | formi: that is what they want for going frmo 6mb -> 16mb |
| 14:36.55 | murb | need to find out if i'm tempted with the up. |
| 14:37.04 | formi | murb: if it was upload bw maybe? |
| 14:37.34 | formi | i have 4mb and very rarely i get substained download at more than 200kb/s |
| 14:39.12 | George | mozrat: I don't know. |
| 14:39.50 | murb | bah only 800kbits up. |
| 14:40.10 | murb | formi: i'm used to getting my 6mb worth down. |
| 14:40.15 | murb | formi: is that 2 * 2mb? |
| 14:41.37 | formi | murb: blueyonder cable 4mbit/300kbit |
| 14:42.00 | murb | formi: oh so just typical cable crap infrustrure? |
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| 14:50.33 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 14:56.57 | morsing | angelchild! |
| 14:58.48 | angelchild | morsing! |
| 15:01.16 | George | DIE!!! |
| 15:01.21 | George | (respectfully) |
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| 15:26.26 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 15:26.30 | Erwin | hi |
| 15:35.23 | morsing | Check it! |
| 15:38.09 | mozrat | heyy |
| 15:40.57 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 15:42.15 | mozrat | hi |
| 15:59.25 | rhowe | most bizarre |
| 15:59.32 | rhowe | Southampton office goes offline |
| 15:59.53 | rhowe | I call Pipex to see if there's a fault (resetting DSL router does no good) |
| 16:00.07 | rhowe | (nothing on their status pages, either then - 2 hours ago - or now) |
| 16:00.55 | rhowe | ".. subject to extended waiting times. This is caused by a fault affecting some of our ADSL users. To solve this fault, you will need to update the firmware on your router. This can be done by contacting your router manufacturer" |
| 16:01.07 | rhowe | (so says the pre-recorded announcement) |
| 16:01.15 | rhowe | Oh, I forgot the last bit |
| 16:01.26 | rhowe | "We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause" |
| 16:02.13 | rhowe | Now, the router they use hasn't had any firmware updates released for quite a few years. In fact, it's not even listed by Dlink anywhere on their site (other revisions of the hardware are...) |
| 16:02.21 | rhowe | This isn't an ISP-supplied router |
| 16:02.53 | rhowe | So, following their advice, we're going to need to buy a new DSL router to solve some unspecified problem |
| 16:02.57 | rhowe | ?! |
| 16:06.25 | pawel | :> |
| 16:06.26 | pawel | hi. |
| 16:09.07 | mozrat | so there is a network wide fault that has just happened to a lot of ADSL customers and they are blaming firmware? |
| 16:11.54 | pawel | I do not like Pipex. I am a customer of 123-reg.co.uk, this was a very reliable service until they were bought by Pipex. |
| 16:12.57 | pawel | now it takes even up to 3 days to update thier DNS servers. |
| 16:14.21 | pawel | and e-mail forwarding... sometimes messages get through fairly quickly 5-10min, but sometimes they never make it through. |
| 16:15.00 | pawel | I am not going to renew any of the domains served by them. |
| 16:15.04 | murb | pawel: outsource them. |
| 16:15.09 | murb | change them. |
| 16:15.14 | murb | join nominet |
| 16:15.23 | murb | only 400 quid + 100 quid / year |
| 16:15.38 | murb | then you get domains at the wholesale rate. |
| 16:17.23 | pawel | hm.. by this is something bigger. I would need as well to colocate at least a host, as I have not got reliable links. |
| 16:17.33 | rhowe | mozrat: Apparently it only started happening after they upgraded some stuff on their Windows NT boxes |
| 16:17.37 | pawel | I am not yet prepared to host all my customers. |
| 16:17.43 | rhowe | And by Windows NT, I hope they mean 2000 or newer |
| 16:18.59 | pawel | I know that some folks do it, even on a 512 broadband. but it is not a kind of service that customers look for. ;> |
| 16:19.50 | murb | sounds rather like customer diservices. |
| 16:20.35 | murb | pawel: might not even be worth while colocating your own hardware now days. |
| 16:21.00 | rhowe | anyway, seems that isn't our problem |
| 16:21.08 | rhowe | Since the ADSL isn't even syncing |
| 16:23.04 | morsing | Can cut find the last field? |
| 16:23.48 | pawel | london1-1:~# ifconfig ppp0 |grep bytes |awk '{ print $3 $4 }' |
| 16:23.49 | pawel | (153.2GiB) |
| 16:24.12 | pawel | this is a cheap ADSL. up and running for last 102 days. |
| 16:24.21 | morsing | Can cut find the last field? |
| 16:24.43 | Erwin | cut generally sucks, because it only accepts a single-character delimeter |
| 16:25.13 | Erwin | So use awk when you have a space/tab separated display like ps |
| 16:26.59 | pawel | murb: do you mean it is no longer cost-effective? |
| 16:28.51 | pawel | murb: the problem I have is physical space/room, I do not have a regular place for leaving, I change flats/rooms quite often, I am unable to predict if I will stay in this flat for the next 6 months. ;> |
| 16:30.03 | murb | pawel: i mean you could get a dedicated server with lots of bw for less than it would cost to buy your own hardware. |
| 16:32.49 | pawel | murb: ah. yeah, this is also worth consideration. |
| 16:41.30 | TimMagic | ibot tell timmagic about magic |
| 16:42.12 | morsing | ƒˆ…ƒ‹€‰”¡7E |
| 16:42.22 | wethrin | Um |
| 16:42.33 | morsing | Sorry, Alt gets stuck sometimes |
| 16:43.03 | wethrin | OKAY |
| 16:45.00 | Erwin | Heh. irssi shows your alt-C as C in reverse video... oh reverse video, here's a toast to Sir Sinclair |
| 16:45.45 | wethrin | ITYM Sir Clive |
| 16:46.04 | pawel | wethrin: hi. |
| 16:46.10 | pawel | wethrin: how is Durham? |
| 16:46.27 | murb | cold and wet, you need to ask? |
| 16:46.38 | pawel | :> |
| 16:46.53 | wethrin | Um. Actually, murb's mostly correct |
| 16:47.03 | wethrin | It's got a cold wind, but it's not raining ATM |
| 16:47.17 | pawel | cool. :> |
| 16:47.27 | murb | wethrin: well i'd say Wi* was cold and wet although it isn't actually raining. |
| 16:47.58 | wethrin | Wi*? |
| 16:48.21 | morsing | Mmm... rain |
| 16:49.28 | murb | wethrin: Wiesbaden. |
| 16:49.41 | murb | although we do have warm water as well. |
| 16:49.50 | murb | geothermalheating++ |
| 16:50.21 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 16:51.36 | zachary | murb: love the goethermal, especially the o-natural variety. |
| 16:52.14 | mozrat | hey zachary |
| 16:53.08 | zachary | mozrat! |
| 16:53.52 | mozrat | How are things? |
| 16:54.21 | pawel | zachary: :> |
| 16:54.24 | zachary | pretty good. |
| 16:54.24 | pawel | hi. |
| 16:55.27 | pawel | zachary: I still have you in my mind taking about Nagios. ;> |
| 16:55.48 | zachary | Giving home improvements a try. Have a few bits of drywall to hang up. And installing a new floating floor next weekend. |
| 16:58.03 | zachary | I miss GLLUG terribly much. Need to get some streaming sessions. They have the hardware at the uni. just need the support and public access. |
| 17:06.53 | mozrat | zachary: what is the local LUG like where you are? |
| 17:06.55 | mozrat | which one is it? |
| 17:13.31 | zachary | I haven't been to yet. The name is TWUUG, Tidewater Unix User Group. They are pretty active on their mail list. But they meet on Thursday evenings, which is bad for me. |
| 17:14.09 | morsing | zachary: Send out emergency Friday pub meetings announcements |
| 17:14.09 | mozrat | shame |
| 17:15.07 | pawel | zachary: Tidewater, I am googling for pictures, it is very nice out there. |
| 17:16.39 | zachary | pawel, not bad. Someone is always getting shot or washing up on beaches. |
| 17:18.37 | zachary | The neighborhood that I live in is nice and quiet. |
| 17:18.44 | mozrat | zachary: same person???? |
| 17:20.03 | zachary | mozrat, shootings are on a daily basis. Dead people on beaches happens about twice a year. |
| 17:21.02 | mozrat | doesn't sound good - are the shootings robbery related or gang related? |
| 17:21.05 | mozrat | or something else |
| 17:22.18 | zachary | I think "stupid people" related. But I'm sure some are gang. I don't think we've had many robbery related. |
| 17:23.04 | mozrat | guns are dumb |
| 17:23.16 | MacRohard | guns are fun |
| 17:24.44 | mozrat | guns don't kill people, wabbits do! |
| 17:24.51 | mozrat | s/guns/gnus/ |
| 17:25.05 | Erwin | guns don't kill people, dick cheney kills people |
| 17:25.16 | mozrat | *grin* |
| 17:25.55 | zachary | Erwin, unfortinutely the lawyer didn't die. |
| 17:26.37 | mozrat | someone linked me to a video of someone doing ballastic tests which disproved Cheneys account |
| 17:26.42 | mozrat | but it wasn't very interesting |
| 17:31.32 | zachary | Hey, noon-30. It's beer time! |
| 17:34.07 | pawel | do you guys also get a lot of memory leaks with firefox? |
| 17:34.46 | pawel | last night it took almost 1.5GB of my ram?! |
| 17:35.06 | Erwin | Yes. I switched to Opera a week go. FF & Mozilla are crap. |
| 17:35.54 | Erwin | The straw was Mozilla crashing 4 times in a day. |
| 17:36.28 | wethrin | pawel: Firefox is full of memory leaks |
| 17:36.39 | wethrin | The developers should be introduced to garbage collection |
| 17:37.07 | pawel | I was a huge fan of it, I was using Mozilla/Gecko from the early beginning, then there was Phoenix and I have been using it ever since. |
| 17:37.20 | pawel | but now it has become very painful. |
| 17:37.36 | pawel | even the old branch. not 1.5... |
| 17:37.55 | pawel | :/ |
| 17:38.29 | Erwin | I was using Mozilla 1.3 then I decided, foolishly, to upgrade due to all those security issues |
| 17:39.42 | pawel | I used to work on an old laptop P2 266, 96MB RAM and Phoenix, even when it became Firebird (not Firefox yet) with no issues whatsoever. |
| 17:40.29 | pawel | and now I have 1.5GB of ram, XMMS and couple of little apps running in the background and sometimes it is not enough. |
| 17:40.37 | pawel | (?!) |
| 17:40.56 | pawel | ff eats it all. |
| 17:41.34 | pawel | the problem with opera for me is Qt. |
| 17:41.46 | Erwin | ? |
| 17:41.56 | pawel | all my apps use gtk. |
| 17:42.10 | Erwin | And? |
| 17:42.30 | pawel | and everytime I run Opera, I must load Qt. |
| 17:42.40 | pawel | which is time consuming. |
| 17:43.10 | pawel | and I still think that Gecko renders nicer. ;> |
| 17:43.27 | Erwin | There's a statically linked version of opera. |
| 17:45.24 | pawel | I use Opera from time to time, but I am not yet convinced. ;> |
| 17:45.25 | pawel | pawel@venus:~$ whereis opera |
| 17:45.26 | pawel | opera: /usr/bin/opera |
| 17:45.28 | pawel | ;> |
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| 19:09.40 | Blapto | Hi |
| 19:13.13 | z00dax | Blapto, |
| 19:26.16 | Blapto | z00dax |
| 19:27.08 | George | moo |
| 19:43.18 | mikejw | bark |
| 19:43.39 | wethrin | børk |
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| 19:46.18 | wethrin | new! |
| 19:48.08 | new2unix | Wet! Yay! |
| 19:49.58 | wethrin | heh |
| 19:52.49 | JAV | it worked! :D |
| 19:53.13 | JAV | I have signal in all the house |
| 19:54.07 | mikejw | don't forget to wear it on your head when you go out ;) |
| 19:55.06 | JAV | Baseball league sat is watching us :) |
| 19:55.55 | mikejw | it is? |
| 19:57.08 | mozrat | hey mikejw |
| 19:57.27 | z00dax | hellloooooooooooooooooo people of gllug |
| 19:57.46 | mozrat | hello person known as z00dax |
| 19:58.36 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
| 19:59.35 | mikejw | hey mozrat :) |
| 19:59.40 | mozrat | hey both |
| 19:59.50 | mozrat | this is one hell of a transformation >> http://blog.digital-scurf.org/2006/02/20#drastic-change |
| 20:02.30 | z00dax | mozrat, howse xgl treating you |
| 20:02.32 | new2unix | mozrat: from HeadTeacher to School bully. :) |
| 20:02.41 | mozrat | new2unix: heh |
| 20:02.52 | mozrat | z00dax: Haven't picked it up again yet - may do tonight |
| 20:03.04 | mozrat | I need some build instructions really |
| 20:11.49 | George | MOZZY!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:14.12 | mozrat | George!!! |
| 20:14.43 | mozrat | mikejw: is there much activity on the WminBCS mailing list? I joined last week |
| 20:15.53 | mikejw | oh cool |
| 20:17.23 | mikejw | hang on which list is this? |
| 20:19.37 | mozrat | umm |
| 20:19.57 | mozrat | "Welcome to the bcsnlbinfo group at Yahoo! Groups," |
| 20:21.22 | mikejw | sorry I wasn't really aware of it :S |
| 20:21.34 | mikejw | are you sure it's a westminster thing? |
| 20:21.34 | wethrin | Yahoo! groups? Eww |
| 20:22.21 | mozrat | mikejw: not sure, no |
| 20:22.40 | mozrat | maybe that is just the North London one |
| 20:23.28 | mikejw | oh yeah I see it |
| 20:23.50 | mikejw | www.nlondon.bcs.org |
| 20:24.12 | mikejw | I haven't got around to registering myself :) |
| 20:24.26 | mikejw | it sounds interesting though |
| 20:24.46 | mikejw | the thing next wednesday I mean |
| 20:25.08 | mikejw | wait it's this wednesday :S |
| 20:25.44 | mikejw | it was really my friend who was doing the communication with that stuff |
| 20:25.52 | mozrat | right |
| 20:26.39 | mikejw | we would like to have our own compsoc mailing list some point though |
| 20:27.37 | wethrin | mikejw: Host it on your own Compsoc machine :) |
| 20:29.12 | mikejw | yeah we still have some buracratic issues to resolve first :S |
| 20:30.19 | mikejw | *bureaucratic |
| 20:30.24 | mikejw | :) |
| 20:32.31 | wethrin | Heh |
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| 20:33.15 | morsing | My freeBSD server crashed because / was full! |
| 20:33.20 | wethrin | Oops |
| 20:33.26 | wethrin | Put /var on a separate filesystem |
| 20:33.32 | wethrin | Also, serial consoles++ |
| 20:37.49 | murb | that isn't very robust! |
| 20:37.56 | murb | morsing: soft updates on root? |
| 20:38.00 | murb | bad juju |
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| 21:08.13 | stephanb2 | yo |
| 21:08.32 | mikejw | yo |
| 21:09.19 | stephanb2 | what's happening ? |
| 21:10.16 | mikejw | hangin' with my homies :) |
| 21:11.06 | stephanb2 | aah |
| 21:11.55 | mozrat | hey stephanb2 |
| 21:14.29 | stephanb2 | mozrat: hey |
| 21:15.08 | stephanb2 | i left my "boot linux from usb" project aside as I realised that my machine's BIOS can't boot from USB |
| 21:16.38 | z00dax | mozrat, I am going to join the trying-to-build-and-package xgl fray soon |
| 21:17.13 | stephanb2 | naive question: wot is XGL ? |
| 21:17.44 | z00dax | stephanb2, ask mozrat - he has some spiffy videos to illustrate |
| 21:18.16 | stephanb2 | mozrat: videos :-o ? |
| 21:26.56 | stephanb2 | z00dax: is that a tool to put OpenGL datasets on webpages ? |
| 21:28.44 | z00dax | stephanb2, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl |
| 21:30.27 | morsing | wethrin: /var *is* a seperate filesystem but named is jailed in /etc/named |
| 21:30.52 | morsing | wethrin: Serial console? No you don't understand, the box was *dead*! |
| 21:31.05 | morsing | murb: That's irrelevant isn't it? |
| 21:34.36 | mozrat | stephanb2: one sec |
| 21:35.20 | mozrat | http://www.linuxedge.org/?q=node/55 |
| 21:35.34 | mozrat | xgl is a X server with OpenGL rendering |
| 21:35.43 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 21:35.49 | mozrat | leading to spiffy graphical effects -- apparently on normal hardware |
| 21:36.00 | mikejw | kewel |
| 21:36.10 | mozrat | z00dax: good luck - let me know how you get on |
| 21:38.41 | stephanb2 | mozrat: meaning your desktop is now in an environment similar to "Unreal Tournament"? |
| 21:40.08 | mozrat | stephanb2: it is as nauseating as that yes |
| 21:40.23 | stephanb2 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4729262.stm |
| 21:45.51 | stephanb2 | "damn, i was just about to get to open that folder when this grenade blew in my head" |
| 21:48.47 | mozrat | stephanb2: ... and my cube started spinning around |
| 21:49.30 | stephanb2 | mozrat: it would be useful if that desktop had the Omega-13 |
| 21:54.20 | mozrat | stephanb2: whatsthatnow? |
| 21:58.32 | stephanb2 | aaah this is a reference to the movie "Galaxy Quest" |
| 21:58.41 | mozrat | ahh |
| 21:58.44 | mozrat | NFI |
| 21:59.57 | stephanb2 | well if i tell it's kind of a spoiler :-( |
| 22:04.40 | mozrat | :) |
| 22:16.04 | Blapto | George, have you seen this: http://www.gnome.org.nyud.net:8080/~davyd/gnome-2-14/ |
| 22:16.07 | Blapto | It looks really good |
| 22:19.28 | stephanb2 | ok guys, im off |
| 22:20.04 | Blapto | Wait, help me mock George! |
| 22:20.05 | Blapto | Bye |
| 22:22.41 | stephanb2 | bye ! |
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| 22:26.11 | mozrat | z00dax: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 22:26.56 | z00dax | mozrat, known - does not work on my lappy |
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| 22:31.27 | mozratv2 | Hmm, my freeshell host just died |
| 22:36.12 | mozratv2 | anyway - nn |
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| 22:40.08 | z00dax | hi TinyIRC |
| 22:40.14 | TinyIRC | hi |
| 22:40.35 | Blapto | Hi |
| 22:40.56 | TinyIRC | I am hoping to get an answer to a question about squid. |
| 22:41.02 | TinyIRC | Hi All |
| 22:41.22 | Blapto | I might be able to help |
| 22:41.56 | TinyIRC | I want to set up a config a remote server to route http traffic |
| 22:42.12 | Blapto | An http proxy? |
| 22:42.18 | TinyIRC | yep |
| 22:42.24 | TinyIRC | I am using a guide at http://tille.xalasys.com/training/bye-isa.php |
| 22:44.37 | Blapto | OK |
| 22:44.38 | TinyIRC | The shortest way to ask my question is; How can I set "http_access allow all"? |
| 22:45.04 | TinyIRC | That is to say just allow everything and then restrict it later. |
| 22:45.23 | Blapto | look at the default squid.conf |
| 22:45.27 | Blapto | that's how it is set up |
| 22:46.07 | TinyIRC | ok, I have been editing it in vi but I am not the best and this is what I really need help with. |
| 22:46.26 | TinyIRC | (not with vi ;) |
| 22:46.49 | Blapto | Take the default .conf, add an ACL for your IPs, or just remove the deny all |
| 22:46.50 | Blapto | Test it |
| 22:46.53 | Blapto | and then lock it down. |
| 22:47.58 | TinyIRC | the log says that it does not understand "all" or "*" depending on what I use. It seems that I have to be more specific as in the example |
| 22:49.26 | Blapto | What's the error in the log then? |
| 22:49.38 | TinyIRC | I specify; acl allowed_hosts src 84.92.52.123/255.255.255.0 |
| 22:49.52 | TinyIRC | and; In the above, replace x.y.z.0 with your network. I left the rest of the default configuration as it came with the Debian package. Make sure that the proxy server is running: if there are errors in the ACLs, it is likely that it does not start. Check your log files. |
| 22:49.52 | TinyIRC | Now on your firewalled workstation, take putty again and configure it to connect port 80 on the local host to the proxy port 3128 (Squid default) on the remote host, while keeping the settings to connect on port 443 on the remote host. In "Connection - SSH - Tunnels" enter 80 as the source port and remote_hostname:3128 as destination. Select Local and click the Add button. Then open this connection. You get the remote loginprompt. Connect. |
| 22:49.52 | TinyIRC | Now take your favorite browser and enter localhost and port 80 as proxy setting. Test by surfing to a forbidden websense category. |
| 22:49.54 | TinyIRC | NOTE: you might get in trouble doing this. Do these things on your own responsability. |
| 22:49.56 | TinyIRC | To feel even better at home, you can install Cygwin, see this article for a short explanation on the most important configuration settings. |
| 22:49.59 | TinyIRC | Home |
| 22:50.09 | TinyIRC | sry |
| 22:52.04 | TinyIRC | Do you use something similar in a squid.conf on your system? |
| 22:53.24 | wethrin | morsing: pong |
| 23:19.59 | z00dax | nite |
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| 23:40.09 | armijn | morning |
| 23:42.34 | wethrin | hello |
| 23:44.08 | armijn | in case anyone is interested, the NLUUG (association of Dutch UNIX professionals) is organizing a conference about "IP Communication" (VoIP, TVoIP, IM, etc.) in the fall |
| 23:45.02 | armijn | I'm in the programma committee for that conference and looking for good talks :) |
| 23:45.55 | armijn | CfP is available at http://www.nluug.nl/events/nj06/ |
| 23:46.10 | armijn | (there's an English version as well) |
| 23:51.35 | armijn | ah well, z. |
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