| 00:05.01 | wethrin | You talking to us? |
| 00:06.00 | George | hi |
| 00:06.02 | George | yes |
| 00:06.04 | wethrin | hi |
| 00:06.05 | George | I'm bored |
| 00:06.12 | wethrin | Oh |
| 00:06.14 | wethrin | I'm not |
| 00:06.20 | z00dax | man, its cold today |
| 00:06.26 | wethrin | It is a bit |
| 00:06.28 | George | bloody oxonian |
| 00:06.34 | George | always complaining |
| 00:06.35 | George | anyway |
| 00:06.43 | George | I'm going to watch spooks |
| 00:07.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:07.10 | wethrin | enjoy |
| 00:10.06 | George | heh |
| 00:10.09 | George | it's good |
| 00:10.11 | George | very good |
| 00:11.23 | wethrin | :-) |
| 00:11.27 | wethrin | I'll believe you |
| 00:14.38 | George | moo |
| 00:14.43 | wethrin | oom |
| 00:19.47 | wethrin | ~change 240 USD to GBP |
| 00:25.08 | Erwin | I'm a bit behind on Spooks; I picked up the season 1 on DVD cheaply but you can't just stop there, as the last episode of S1 is the worst cliffhanger ever |
| 00:49.06 | George | haha |
| 00:49.20 | George | "I am MX London, you are MX Edinburgh. London outranks Scotland" |
| 00:49.45 | wethrin | riight |
| 00:50.00 | George | hehe |
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| 07:42.49 | Leeds | hello any/all |
| 07:44.58 | pdr | hiya |
| 07:49.38 | murb | moin |
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| 08:07.03 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:08.22 | murb | Liverpool |
| 08:14.00 | Leeds | Newcastle |
| 08:17.17 | pdr | London? |
| 08:17.17 | murb | Brussels. |
| 08:47.16 | SlayerXP | morning chaps, chapesses, boys, girls, transgenders, bimorphics and leeds. |
| 08:59.18 | morsing | Mmm... Tired |
| 09:10.25 | Leeds | mmm... almonds |
| 09:17.25 | Leeds | I'm hearing impressive things about the coldness in London right now |
| 09:17.34 | Leeds | the cousins are all off to the UK for CNY |
| 09:21.37 | Leeds | "it's the first time I've ever had ice condense on me while I was riding" |
| 09:33.23 | Cope | claims to -1 outside right now |
| 09:35.07 | Leeds | HKO (met office) says 16 at 5pm |
| 09:43.01 | wethrin | morning |
| 09:43.21 | SlayerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/antibody/report.html |
| 09:43.23 | SlayerXP | muahaha |
| 09:43.34 | SlayerXP | much more interesting since I turned greylisting off |
| 09:43.49 | wethrin | more spam? |
| 09:44.04 | SlayerXP | yes, no viruses, though |
| 09:44.38 | wethrin | do you have upstream virus scanning? |
| 09:44.42 | SlayerXP | no |
| 09:49.20 | Leeds | http://www.blogthetalk.com/2006/01/putrid-business-of-scaveng_113807655897926468.html |
| 10:46.55 | Leeds | hometime |
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| 10:47.34 | kbsingh | morning |
| 10:55.40 | George | *phew* |
| 10:55.47 | George | I thought my rear left speaker had died somehow |
| 10:55.49 | George | but it seems not |
| 11:10.15 | morsing | kbsingh! |
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| 11:14.53 | Cope | is there a standard/rfc for what PTR records must say for reverse lookups for email? I have 4 webservers (actually called web1, web2, web3, web4) that send mail, but aol accounts reject them due to no reverse dns - must it say, eg, 164.137.225.213.in-addr.arpa domain name web1.foo.com? or can it 'lie' and say domain name mail.foo.com for all 4? |
| 11:15.52 | morsing | Cope: Most likely it can say anything |
| 11:16.09 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 11:16.10 | morsing | Unless they're matching A and PTR which is very strict |
| 11:16.17 | murb | who do people recommend for x86 intel 1u boxen now days? |
| 11:16.34 | SlayerXP | murb: we don't recommend intel 1u boxes |
| 11:16.45 | SlayerXP | indeed, intel boxes full stop |
| 11:17.18 | SlayerXP | Cope: my attitude to AOL's insane mail policy is "fuck 'em" |
| 11:17.31 | SlayerXP | if they want to inflict ill-thought out stupidity on their users, so be it. |
| 11:18.16 | murb | SlayerXP: what do you recommend? |
| 11:18.26 | kbsingh | Cope, AOL have a fairly responsive email control division - why not just talk / email them ? |
| 11:18.30 | SlayerXP | "We're sorry you're using AOL. Please return using an AOL with two clues to rub together" |
| 11:18.54 | SlayerXP | murb: rackservers.com are okay, as are penguincomputing.com |
| 11:19.06 | SlayerXP | murb: if you have the cash, buy 1u kit from HP |
| 11:19.26 | murb | SlayerXP: this is for a client, i don't know how much cash they are willing to spend. |
| 11:19.30 | SlayerXP | using an ISP, I mean |
| 11:19.45 | SlayerXP | murb: wehn buying hardware, it's usually wise to have a budget tow ork to |
| 11:20.00 | murb | SlayerXP: well quite i will give a range of options. |
| 11:20.17 | gregj | Cope: they should match the A record strictly, some servers are refusing you otherwise, this is very cheap way to filter of the spam |
| 11:20.18 | murb | SlayerXP: i'm probably thinking betwen 800 1200 quid ex vat. |
| 11:20.46 | SlayerXP | murb: I suggest an 8 way operton dual core system, with 64 gigs of ram and 12 500gb SATA drives hooked up to a 3ware 9500-12 raid controller. |
| 11:21.03 | murb | SlayerXP: in 1u? |
| 11:21.14 | SlayerXP | well, 3u |
| 11:21.28 | Gonzo | hi, do u guys know a simple distro that could run on an old PII laptop that comes with divx/dvd support ? |
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| 11:21.37 | SlayerXP | murb: you can easily get a well specced opteron system in 1u for that amount of cash |
| 11:21.57 | Cope | Gonzo: freebsd |
| 11:22.20 | murb | silly troll. |
| 11:22.21 | SlayerXP | if you don't need SMP, an amd64 based system will be even cheaper |
| 11:22.23 | Cope | gregj: yeah, that was my concern. |
| 11:22.49 | Gonzo | not sure knoppix can handle 64 MB RAM only |
| 11:22.58 | morsing | Gonzo: FreeBSD is brilliant |
| 11:23.10 | murb | Gonzo: install something on it. |
| 11:23.19 | Cope | Gonzo: I'd look at damnsmalllinux - debian based, and runs fine on older hardware, and uses vesa framebuffer. |
| 11:23.22 | murb | see how bad it is etc. |
| 11:23.32 | murb | Cope: vesa frambuffer for maximum slowness? |
| 11:23.34 | Gonzo | yeah DSL doesnt have divx listed in the features |
| 11:23.54 | kbsingh | http://www.dynebolic.org/ - lots of MMedia stuff in there, on a livecd, so you can play see without loading anything |
| 11:24.06 | SlayerXP | Gonzo: divx is a codec |
| 11:24.06 | SlayerXP | i.e. it's a bit of software you install |
| 11:24.10 | murb | Gonzo: don't belive anything you read or hear. |
| 11:24.19 | SlayerXP | it's a library, not an executable |
| 11:24.38 | kbsingh | dynebolic needs a i586/64megs/pci vga to do most stuff, isnt bad on old IBM 600E type laptops |
| 11:24.38 | Leeds | divx is a way of making DVDs which need to authorise to a central server |
| 11:24.39 | Gonzo | yup |
| 11:24.49 | Gonzo | they got xmms/mp3 listed |
| 11:24.58 | Gonzo | but no movie player |
| 11:25.08 | Gonzo | yeah thanx i know what divx is |
| 11:25.17 | Gonzo | i'm just saying there's no movie player listed |
| 11:25.36 | murb | Gonzo: how much diskspace do you have? |
| 11:25.50 | Gonzo | 6 GB i think |
| 11:27.07 | murb | should be fine. |
| 11:29.11 | morsing | Mmm... FreeBSD |
| 11:29.13 | Gonzo | for? |
| 11:29.15 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 11:35.23 | Cope | wethrin? |
| 11:36.29 | Cope | Gonzo: in all seriousness, my media machine is/was a freebsd machine, and it was glorious. But try things and see what works. I've never tried to get debian to play dvds etc, but I'm sure its good too. |
| 11:37.31 | Gonzo | k. just need something simple and working right out of the box, coz it's for a friend and he's not it-savvy at all |
| 11:59.19 | wethrin | hello |
| 12:01.50 | morsing | wethrin: FreeBSD |
| 12:05.43 | wethrin | What about it? |
| 12:06.37 | morsing | Talk it up |
| 12:06.55 | wethrin | FreeBSD is da shizzznit |
| 12:09.28 | morsing | ibot shizzznit |
| 12:09.35 | morsing | wethrin shizzznit |
| 12:11.26 | wethrin | da bomb |
| 12:11.32 | wethrin | You asked me to talk it up |
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| 12:22.43 | mikejw | lo |
| 12:23.05 | wethrin | hello |
| 12:23.30 | mikejw | how're-ya-doin'? |
| 12:23.37 | wethrin | Not too bad |
| 12:23.42 | mikejw | :) |
| 12:23.44 | wethrin | Going to disappear in a minute or two, though |
| 12:23.50 | wethrin | Househunting-- |
| 12:23.52 | mikejw | cool |
| 12:24.11 | mikejw | I'm afraid it looks like I'm unable to join you guys in brussels again :S |
| 12:24.19 | wethrin | boo hiss |
| 12:24.27 | mikejw | I know it's shame |
| 12:24.30 | mikejw | *a |
| 12:24.34 | wethrin | you'll be missing BEER |
| 12:24.41 | mikejw | :( |
| 12:25.02 | mikejw | the BEER will be mine |
| 12:25.11 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:25.43 | mikejw | where are you moving to? |
| 12:26.04 | wethrin | A different place in Durham |
| 12:26.08 | wethrin | Out of student digs :) |
| 12:26.37 | murb | wethrin: with proper interweb access? |
| 12:27.00 | wethrin | Well, DSL |
| 12:27.08 | murb | shared house? |
| 12:27.16 | murb | from AOL? |
| 12:27.23 | wethrin | Yes, and no |
| 12:27.30 | mikejw | coolio |
| 12:27.39 | mikejw | those are good |
| 12:27.56 | wethrin | Yes, although it can cause issues as to who admins the firewall :) |
| 12:28.06 | wethrin | And what system to run on the firewall, and all that |
| 12:28.08 | murb | firewall? |
| 12:28.21 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 12:28.23 | murb | why not get a /28 or something unfiltered? |
| 12:28.24 | wethrin | Anyway. Househunting time |
| 12:28.25 | wethrin | bye! |
| 12:28.27 | murb | and let people decide what they want? |
| 12:28.30 | wethrin | too many machines :) |
| 12:28.34 | wethrin | back later |
| 12:28.39 | mikejw | wethrin: take care |
| 12:28.46 | murb | wethrin: well if there are less than 14? |
| 12:28.47 | mikejw | break a leg :) |
| 13:00.49 | Leeds | hmm... SOAS |
| 13:01.15 | George | my brother went there |
| 13:04.27 | morsing | Mmm... Phone interview |
| 13:12.10 | Leeds | shit |
| 13:25.34 | morsing | Eh? |
| 13:37.36 | morsing | Mmm... Realsolutions |
| 13:48.08 | wethrin | hmm |
| 14:08.14 | morsing | How many mails can you expect a small mailserver to send per minute? |
| 14:08.30 | kbsingh | 150 - 200 ? |
| 14:08.41 | Erwin | Depends on type of webserver, who you are sending too |
| 14:08.59 | kbsingh | depends on size of email as well |
| 14:09.10 | Erwin | e.g. I've found aol.com to be about 100x as fast at accepting mails as yahoo.com |
| 14:09.13 | Leeds | if you're doing mx lookups or just sending to a smarthost... |
| 14:13.31 | wethrin | hi morsing |
| 14:14.23 | morsing | Ok, 8k emails sent from qmail on a 450MHz Sunfire 420 |
| 14:14.30 | morsing | 8kb size that is |
| 14:14.45 | morsing | We're seeing 180 per minute which seems very slow |
| 14:15.00 | Erwin | Who are you sending *to* ? |
| 14:15.21 | Erwin | How many simultanous sending threads do you have? |
| 14:15.23 | morsing | Erwin: Postini, but there accepting at any rate we're sending |
| 14:15.31 | morsing | They're not a bottleneck |
| 14:15.47 | Erwin | Are you sure? A well-setup server will do spam checing & virus-scanning on each incoming mail, resulting in some delay |
| 14:15.53 | kbsingh | morsing, does your mta have any load level based throttling ? |
| 14:16.10 | morsing | Erwin: That a weird thing actually. Even though we upped the number of threads to 100 it never has more that about 15 running at any time? |
| 14:16.19 | morsing | kbsingh: Don't think so |
| 14:17.00 | morsing | Erwin: Yes, because we tried to send mails from another server in parallel to Postini, and there was no delay |
| 14:17.38 | morsing | Does 3 per second sound fine then? |
| 14:17.52 | morsing | We need to be able to send 10 times that! |
| 14:17.54 | wethrin | It sounds quite low |
| 14:17.57 | Erwin | Well, it could be some qmail set up issue then |
| 14:18.11 | morsing | The box has some iowait |
| 14:18.13 | Erwin | What is system load / output of vmstat while you do this? |
| 14:18.15 | SlayerXP | which fool decided on qmail? |
| 14:18.25 | Erwin | Some mail systems like to fsync all the time, which can slow down performance a bit |
| 14:18.27 | wethrin | If you parallelise enough, then it should be able to go quite fast |
| 14:18.29 | morsing | Erwin: iowait mainly. cpu is only half load |
| 14:18.42 | morsing | SlayerXP: I know, I've complained about it as well |
| 14:19.08 | morsing | wethrin: Why won't it start up more than 15-20 threads at a time? |
| 14:19.27 | Erwin | It may have max 100 outbound connectoins, but it may have just XX connections to a single host limit |
| 14:19.31 | SlayerXP | you can quote me, " leading mail system expert" |
| 14:19.36 | Erwin | Those two are usually two separate settings |
| 14:19.54 | George | MOOOOOO |
| 14:20.03 | wethrin | morsing: I think it's a built-in default |
| 14:20.04 | morsing | Erwin: Ahh... Where do I look for that? |
| 14:20.16 | morsing | wethrin: Can I verify this somewhere? |
| 14:20.16 | wethrin | SlayerXP: leading them where? |
| 14:20.22 | kbsingh | for qmail, i am sure there is a patch somewhre :) |
| 14:20.25 | wethrin | morsing: source code? :) |
| 14:20.27 | wethrin | Or google |
| 14:20.28 | Erwin | I don't know qmail -- but this is a guess from what I've seen with exim and sendmail |
| 14:20.31 | morsing | Would Postfix perform better? |
| 14:20.39 | kbsingh | exim would run faster |
| 14:20.53 | kbsingh | *would* being the keyword, we are assuming its the mta to blame here, might not be |
| 14:21.06 | Erwin | Well, how much iowait is there in % ? |
| 14:21.14 | morsing | kbsingh: We're reasonably certain it is |
| 14:21.39 | SlayerXP | wethrin: from norway |
| 14:22.09 | SlayerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/antibody/report.html |
| 14:26.27 | kbsingh | http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/vsqmail.html |
| 14:26.31 | kbsingh | does that benchmark help ? |
| 14:27.19 | kbsingh | seems kinda dated |
| 14:27.56 | wethrin | kbsingh: It's unlikely - qmail is quite fast |
| 14:35.23 | morsing | wethrin: Can I try sending 1000 mails to you please? |
| 14:37.03 | wethrin | morsing: Send them to devnull@eco.li |
| 14:37.50 | morsing | kbsingh: That looks comparable to ours! |
| 14:39.52 | morsing | wethrin: Which MTA do you use? |
| 14:40.33 | wethrin | qmail |
| 14:41.13 | morsing | :-) |
| 14:42.30 | wethrin | Have you sent the email? |
| 14:43.15 | morsing | Not yet |
| 14:43.19 | wethrin | okay |
| 14:43.34 | wethrin | devnull@ will dump the mail |
| 14:43.40 | morsing | I just sent a test one - did it get there? |
| 14:44.54 | wethrin | It's in my maillog, yes |
| 14:49.13 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 14:49.19 | wethrin | I see you're flooding my connection :) |
| 14:49.30 | morsing | Hmm... Taking longer than I thought... |
| 14:49.40 | morsing | Though I'm sending 10000 :-) |
| 14:49.47 | morsing | 23kb each |
| 14:49.57 | morsing | Hmm... Should I stop it? |
| 14:50.06 | wethrin | I'm not quite sure what qmail does - if it just accepts them all and then processes them, or if it holds off accepting |
| 14:50.09 | wethrin | No, it's okay |
| 14:50.24 | wethrin | BSD is still quite responsive :) |
| 14:50.43 | morsing | Last Saturday we had over 200.000 emails queued on Qmail at work :-) |
| 14:50.49 | wethrin | eek |
| 14:50.52 | wethrin | Couldn't you flush them? |
| 14:50.55 | morsing | Took most of the weekend to send |
| 14:51.14 | morsing | wethrin: It's was sending as fast as it could |
| 14:52.27 | Erwin | Well, there's one issue of raw sending speed, but another is of acessing the mail queue |
| 14:52.51 | Erwin | Does qmail use split queue directories, does it use some database to find out what's in the queue and what can be sent/retried? |
| 14:53.20 | wethrin | Erwin: Yes, no |
| 14:53.36 | wethrin | If it fails, it sticks it in another queue directory |
| 14:53.59 | morsing | Hang on. If my script pipes to 'sendmail devnull@eco.li' does it actuall queue? |
| 14:54.17 | morsing | Or does each wait till it's finished sending? |
| 14:54.30 | morsing | Erwin: Yes yes |
| 14:54.33 | morsing | I believe |
| 14:55.11 | morsing | real 7m16.327s |
| 14:55.12 | morsing | user 1m18.810s |
| 14:55.12 | morsing | sys 1m29.660s |
| 14:55.14 | morsing | Done! |
| 14:56.25 | morsing | That's 1400 23kb emails per minute |
| 14:56.41 | Leeds | fucking tax return |
| 14:56.43 | Erwin | check mailq |
| 14:56.47 | morsing | Our Qmail can only do 180 per minutes of 7kb mails |
| 14:56.56 | wethrin | morsing: With what mail system? |
| 14:57.05 | morsing | postfix |
| 14:58.41 | wethrin | hmm |
| 14:59.59 | morsing | Wait, the queue is not empty yet |
| 15:00.06 | morsing | 1100 left |
| 15:00.44 | morsing | 600 |
| 15:01.15 | morsing | 200 |
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| 15:01.25 | morsing | 150 |
| 15:01.32 | morsing | 70 |
| 15:01.38 | morsing | 0 |
| 15:01.43 | morsing | Ok, 14 minutes |
| 15:01.51 | morsing | Was it something I said? |
| 15:01.56 | wethrin | probably |
| 15:06.00 | morsing | :-) |
| 15:06.18 | morsing | Hey, if k31th comes back let's all say numbers! |
| 15:06.21 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:15.04 | Leeds | time for a junk food run |
| 15:15.20 | wethrin | Is that like a charity run, but collecting money to spend at Burger King? |
| 15:15.51 | Erwin | It's the run you have to do after eating a BigMac to not get too obese |
| 15:15.56 | wethrin | ahhh |
| 15:16.23 | Leeds | not quite that sort of junk food... 7-11 |
| 15:17.04 | Leeds | the newarest macdonalds is too far to walk :-) |
| 15:18.51 | Erwin | Sadly for me, the nearest anything that sells food is a McD. |
| 15:22.24 | rhowe | If I walk into a branch of my bank with cash, and pay it in, the cash is immediately credited to my account |
| 15:22.36 | rhowe | If I withdraw from a cash machine, it can sometimes take a few days to be debited from my account |
| 15:22.59 | rhowe | So, if I withdraw from a cash machine and then go straight to the counter and pay cash in, can I artificially inflate my bank balance? |
| 15:23.43 | wethrin | It's a false saving |
| 15:24.02 | rhowe | It would be a real saving if I had an overdraft I was paying interest on |
| 15:24.04 | Erwin | It might get debited late, but for interest purposes it will count from the day of the withdrawal |
| 15:25.47 | wethrin | rhowe: Hm, well... |
| 15:26.05 | rhowe | Say I had a bank account with a balance of £-100 and I did the above, withdrawing £100 a day and then paying it back in the same day, every day for a month. Would I pay any interest on the overdraft? :) |
| 15:30.28 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 15:37.26 | morsing | 54 |
| 15:37.38 | morsing | 87 |
| 15:39.11 | Leeds | 13 |
| 15:41.42 | boudiccas | 42 |
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| 15:52.14 | togster | Afternoon all |
| 15:53.06 | wethrin | whazzap |
| 15:55.50 | morsing | Hi togster |
| 15:56.33 | murb | rhowe: i noticed i didn't have to pay interst to nationwide when i went into overdraft and back in the same 2 day peroid |
| 15:56.44 | murb | but maybe that was because it was too much effort to charge me fractions of a penny? |
| 15:56.57 | wethrin | oof |
| 15:57.11 | wethrin | murb: Or the fractions of a penny were just rounded down |
| 15:57.20 | murb | wethrin: same outcome. |
| 15:57.31 | murb | but very unbank like. |
| 15:57.32 | wethrin | yeah |
| 15:57.56 | morsing | moob |
| 15:58.01 | wethrin | Not really. Their systems just work it out to whatever fraction of a penny, and when it comes to credit/debit, they round appropriately |
| 15:58.21 | morsing | Quick question |
| 15:59.03 | morsing | Now that I'm backup MX for 2 servers, I have got mails stuck that the primary won't take because the user doesn't exist |
| 15:59.08 | morsing | How do I handle that? |
| 15:59.14 | wethrin | Let them time out |
| 15:59.26 | wethrin | Unless you really can't afford a few kb of disk space |
| 15:59.42 | morsing | wethrin: So they will time out? |
| 15:59.58 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 16:00.06 | wethrin | By default they bounce after 7 days |
| 16:06.46 | morsing | morsing@emil:~$ mailq | wc -l |
| 16:06.47 | morsing | 426 |
| 16:27.35 | Cope | morsing: that's not very meaningful |
| 16:27.44 | Cope | shouldn't you just grep for "Total requests" |
| 16:28.01 | Cope | given the amount of padding and other lines in mailq |
| 16:28.48 | Cope | [root@web2]~# mailq | wc -l |
| 16:28.49 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.49 | Cope | [root@web2]~# mailq | grep "Total requests" |
| 16:28.49 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.24 | morsing | morsing@emil:~$ mailq | grep "Total requests" |
| 16:30.26 | morsing | morsing@emil:~$ |
| 16:30.47 | morsing | morsing@emil:~$ mailq | grep "Requests" |
| 16:30.47 | morsing | -- 1853 Kbytes in 93 Requests. |
| 16:41.52 | SlayerXP | /etc/init.d/exim4 stop; rm /var/spool/exim4/input/* /var/spool/exim4/db/*; /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 16:42.21 | SlayerXP | and add an ACL blocking mail to those non-existant addresses |
| 16:43.02 | SlayerXP | reject message=FOAD |
| 16:43.20 | SlayerXP | recipients=/etc/exim4/dead-accounts.txt |
| 16:43.29 | SlayerXP | & |
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| 16:48.25 | morsing | gregj! |
| 16:50.58 | gregj | morsing! |
| 16:51.14 | gregj | btw, guys, brits, what's the difference between fluffy and chubby ? |
| 16:51.24 | gregj | is the later just to describe humans ? |
| 16:51.37 | Leeds | uh, google maps seems to have upgraded... London and Hong Kong both have better satellite pictures :-) |
| 16:51.43 | Leeds | gregj: completely different |
| 16:52.17 | morsing | ibot chubby |
| 16:52.20 | gregj | hmm |
| 16:52.27 | Leeds | fluffy means hairy, but in a soft and cute sense... chubby means, well, me |
| 16:52.38 | gregj | I was about to say that |
| 16:52.40 | gregj | that it means me |
| 16:52.42 | gregj | :P |
| 16:53.04 | Leeds | that too |
| 16:53.14 | Leeds | I'm also fluffy on occasion, of course |
| 16:54.06 | gregj | :) |
| 16:54.48 | morsing | Mmm... fluffy |
| 16:56.28 | Leeds | morsing: watch it! |
| 17:00.00 | morsing | Leeds: What?!?!? |
| 17:03.18 | Leeds | morsing: for the record, +85261718423 |
| 17:04.05 | Leeds | the correct response to "I'm also fluffy on occasion" is not "Mmm... fluffy" |
| 17:04.55 | morsing | Leeds: You are very sensitive today |
| 17:07.40 | Leeds | today? |
| 17:07.59 | Leeds | you're suggesting I'm not normally sensitive? you *trying* to make me cry? |
| 17:08.31 | Leeds | anyway, 'tis past bed time |
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| 17:16.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 17:16.35 | kbsingh | Leeds, short sleep cycle |
| 17:17.52 | Leeds | zzzz |
| 17:37.48 | rhowe | wtf is the HP website on? I click on "more details" for a tape drive and get 'There are no technical support documents for this product relating to "Digital Projector - Resolving Color Problems with the Compaq Microportable Projector 4800"' |
| 17:39.08 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:42.16 | eye69 | Argh, crap machine. |
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| 19:00.37 | IAmAI | Hello |
| 19:15.44 | z00dax | hi IAmAI |
| 19:25.09 | IAmAI | Do you think you could help me diagnose an X problem? |
| 19:25.46 | z00dax | depends on what the problem is |
| 19:26.03 | IAmAI | Installing nvidia drivers. |
| 19:26.25 | IAmAI | I've followed Ubuntu's how to, however I wonder if I may have messed it up by doing something wrong previously. |
| 19:26.41 | IAmAI | 1 sec |
| 19:26.51 | z00dax | I have no idea about ubuntu's setup - but i thought they had the nvidia drivers down a single apt-get setup ? |
| 19:27.06 | IAmAI | Yeah. |
| 19:27.14 | IAmAI | Well, it's not worked for me :) |
| 19:28.00 | IAmAI | Although, I could just reinstall Ubunu. I've not done much with it anyway :P |
| 19:28.53 | IAmAI | I think I will. Easier that way |
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| 19:34.59 | Nihil85 | hi |
| 19:36.40 | z00dax | hi Nihil85 |
| 19:36.50 | Nihil85 | hi z00dax |
| 19:37.00 | Nihil85 | are you the one alive? |
| 19:37.18 | Nihil85 | also the last |
| 19:37.25 | Nihil85 | in alphabetical order |
| 19:37.47 | z00dax | yeah, the othes moved into the sewers after the matrix kicked in |
| 19:38.03 | z00dax | I am kinda like neither here nor there, I had Orange pill you see |
| 19:38.18 | Nihil85 | ah |
| 19:38.29 | Nihil85 | not blue, not red.... |
| 19:38.42 | Nihil85 | i wonder if there's a pink pill |
| 19:39.02 | Nihil85 | what do you think about? |
| 19:39.05 | z00dax | the rabbit had the pink pill |
| 19:39.18 | Nihil85 | damn rabbit, |
| 19:39.26 | Nihil85 | i always thought that |
| 19:39.53 | Nihil85 | surely, there's a sort of conjure, something like what happens to Caesar |
| 19:40.48 | z00dax | well, Anthony wrote him a nice speach at the funeral |
| 19:41.09 | Nihil85 | "tu quoque brute fili mi"... not so appropriate words |
| 19:41.33 | z00dax | looks like your keyboard just shorted out on you. |
| 19:41.49 | Nihil85 | i think that i would say "go to fuck off, son of a beach" |
| 19:42.08 | Nihil85 | i don't understand your last sentence |
| 19:42.14 | Nihil85 | i'm not english |
| 19:43.59 | Nihil85 | z00dax, are you afraid of strangers? |
| 19:44.47 | z00dax | I had a stranger for lunch today |
| 19:45.32 | Erwin | I like the McGrok burgers too. |
| 19:46.06 | Nihil85 | Mcgrok? |
| 19:46.06 | z00dax | hey Cope, Erwin |
| 19:46.42 | Nihil85 | what's a McGrok? a new kind of McDonald stuff? |
| 19:46.50 | Cope | early night for me |
| 19:47.10 | Nihil85 | Cope, eat oranges... the best way to get well. C Vitamin. |
| 19:47.20 | Cope | Nihil85: ok! |
| 19:47.39 | Erwin | "grok" comes from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. |
| 19:47.46 | z00dax | and if you hear a phone ring, make sure you get it - thats your gateway |
| 19:48.12 | Nihil85 | Erwin, if you talked about Arabian Syntax, it was the same |
| 19:48.51 | z00dax | so anyway, in the B&Q parking at Erith, a very shady guy walks upto me and tries to sell me a Watch, Original price £450, now your's for $25.99 sort of deal |
| 19:49.21 | z00dax | in response to my question of 'where did you get it from' - he said "walk down the right back alley of sin city, and you can find anything," |
| 19:49.38 | Nihil85 | ........ |
| 19:49.52 | Nihil85 | z00dax, where do you live? |
| 19:49.53 | z00dax | I am not sure which one of us was more surprised by the answer |
| 19:49.59 | z00dax | Nihil85, right here |
| 19:50.03 | Nihil85 | ah, ok |
| 19:50.14 | Nihil85 | i was sure that you lived there |
| 19:50.48 | Cope | dinnertime |
| 19:50.49 | Cope | brb |
| 19:51.02 | Nihil85 | Cope, where are you from? |
| 19:53.18 | Erwin | It's a mystery that can only be solved by doing /topic |
| 19:53.32 | Nihil85 | ? |
| 19:53.53 | z00dax | cope is from over there ---------> |
| 19:53.56 | Erwin | Type /tpoic. That will reaveal the topic of this channel. |
| 19:54.03 | Erwin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.19 | Nihil85 | thanks Erwin |
| 19:54.23 | Nihil85 | so |
| 19:55.03 | Nihil85 | try this: I'm not english but i'm here. For the same reason, Cope could be from another country than UK |
| 19:56.17 | Nihil85 | however, he talked about dinner and i knew that an Englishman has dinner at 6 'o clock, not 8 'o clock |
| 19:56.33 | Nihil85 | so the question |
| 19:57.28 | Erwin | http://www.anytimecostumes.com/Merchant2/graphics/acimages/001749332.jpg <<-- Probably Not Cope |
| 19:57.48 | rhowe | ibot change 46 nok to gbp |
| 19:58.26 | Nihil85 | great |
| 19:58.46 | Nihil85 | Erwin, the link you gave me, it doesn't work |
| 19:58.59 | boudiccas | i have dinner at midday and tea ta about 6.00pm! |
| 19:59.28 | boudiccas | Nihil85; northeners have dinner at midday time :o) |
| 19:59.36 | Erwin | I'm sorry, according to "at" teatime is at 4pm! |
| 19:59.58 | Nihil85 | boudiccas, wethrin, Erwin, you confused me. I was sure to know enough.... |
| 20:00.13 | boudiccas | i'm a northener and i have dinner at midday |
| 20:00.26 | wethrin | Yes, but that's because it gets dark around then :) |
| 20:00.39 | boudiccas | :oPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 20:01.34 | Nihil85 | dinner at midday.... like here |
| 20:01.50 | boudiccas | yes, and tea at teatime |
| 20:02.02 | Nihil85 | oh |
| 20:02.07 | Nihil85 | and launch at launchtime? |
| 20:02.27 | boudiccas | no lunch, only southerners have that |
| 20:02.31 | Nihil85 | ah |
| 20:02.40 | Nihil85 | no, here we have a lunchtime |
| 20:02.43 | Nihil85 | 7 am |
| 20:03.00 | boudiccas | that would be our breakfast time |
| 20:03.28 | Nihil85 | excuse me |
| 20:03.40 | Nihil85 | 13:00 |
| 20:03.42 | boudiccas | certainly, what have you done? |
| 20:03.49 | wethrin | boudiccas: Rubbish. Breakfast is at 10.30am |
| 20:03.50 | Nihil85 | 1 pm |
| 20:04.24 | Nihil85 | we have lunch at 1pm |
| 20:04.29 | z00dax | what about random-600calories-pre-lunch-warmup meal ? |
| 20:04.51 | boudiccas | Nihil85; ah, so you're a southener then, in Italy :) |
| 20:05.12 | Nihil85 | z00dax, i think that if a person should have a pre-lunch like this... it would immediately sleep |
| 20:05.22 | Nihil85 | boudiccas, exactly |
| 20:05.23 | boudiccas | z00dax; thats a snack :) |
| 20:06.34 | boudiccas | wethrin; breakfast is when i get up :o) |
| 20:06.47 | Nihil85 | boudiccas, breakfast time 7am, lunchtime 1pm, dinner/supper time 8pm, 9pm |
| 20:06.54 | wethrin | That too |
| 20:07.00 | Nihil85 | it depends on the season |
| 20:07.13 | Nihil85 | here in winter it get dark on 4pm |
| 20:07.41 | boudiccas | Nihil85; you have a differnet climate from us, we eat according to our stomachs and/or the clock |
| 20:07.41 | Nihil85 | and in summer at 8:30pm |
| 20:08.07 | Nihil85 | boudiccas, i know |
| 20:08.26 | Nihil85 | i only was showing our costumes |
| 20:08.36 | boudiccas | customs |
| 20:08.37 | Nihil85 | Mediterranean behaviours |
| 20:08.44 | Nihil85 | customs? |
| 20:08.50 | boudiccas | not costumes |
| 20:09.01 | Nihil85 | uhmmm |
| 20:09.03 | Nihil85 | wait |
| 20:09.07 | boudiccas | societal norms |
| 20:10.05 | Nihil85 | right |
| 20:10.11 | Nihil85 | i wanted to say that |
| 20:10.13 | Nihil85 | thanks |
| 20:10.19 | Nihil85 | eheh |
| 20:10.24 | Nihil85 | in Italian it's "Costumi" |
| 20:10.42 | Nihil85 | that means societal behaviours |
| 20:10.45 | boudiccas | maybe in Italian but we're speaking English |
| 20:11.21 | boudiccas | costumes relates to clothing |
| 20:11.27 | Nihil85 | i know |
| 20:11.38 | boudiccas | bbiab |
| 20:11.41 | Nihil85 | clothes and behaviours in italian are the same |
| 20:11.49 | Nihil85 | and i know that we're not talking in italina |
| 20:11.58 | Nihil85 | but i was in wrong cause of the little difference |
| 20:12.07 | Nihil85 | costumes/customs |
| 20:12.10 | Nihil85 | assonance |
| 20:12.52 | Nihil85 | do you understand? |
| 20:17.52 | Nihil85 | silence/consent? |
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| 22:48.46 | wethrin | Harrrr |
| 22:52.58 | JAV | Nihil85: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_friends |
| 22:53.20 | Nihil85 | JAV, i know |
| 22:53.30 | Nihil85 | JAV, it was only a mistake |
| 22:53.36 | Nihil85 | however, thanks |
| 22:54.05 | JAV | your welcome :D |
| 22:54.28 | Nihil85 | however, it wasn't a false friend |
| 22:54.33 | Nihil85 | for example |
| 22:54.41 | Nihil85 | Factory-Fattoria |
| 22:54.48 | Nihil85 | but Fattoria means Farm |
| 22:55.04 | Nihil85 | and CT sound like TT in italian |
| 22:55.11 | Nihil85 | *Sounds |
| 22:55.26 | Nihil85 | it was a meaning-false-friend |
| 22:55.34 | Nihil85 | :) |
| 22:55.43 | Nihil85 | i'm too boring, i know |
| 22:56.45 | JAV | I've just arrived, you are not boring (yet) ;) |
| 22:57.13 | Nihil85 | not yet |
| 22:57.54 | Nihil85 | where are you from? |
| 22:58.01 | JAV | spain |
| 22:58.22 | Nihil85 | José Antonio Velasquez? |
| 22:58.33 | JAV | Verrire |
| 22:58.37 | Nihil85 | Velasquez is the only spanish surname that i know |
| 22:59.11 | JAV | mine is not an usual surname here |
| 22:59.42 | Nihil85 | it sounds like a french surname |
| 23:00.18 | JAV | in fact, I only know direct relatives with it |
| 23:00.40 | Nihil85 | i understand |
| 23:00.53 | JAV | Vasque-french origins I think |
| 23:01.04 | Nihil85 | no |
| 23:01.07 | Nihil85 | Verrire |
| 23:01.15 | Nihil85 | like Verriére |
| 23:02.09 | Nihil85 | however |
| 23:02.17 | Nihil85 | the question is: |
| 23:02.40 | Nihil85 | what are we doing, an italian and a spanish, in a London Lug Channel? |
| 23:02.49 | JAV | true! |
| 23:02.53 | JAV | heh |
| 23:03.24 | Nihil85 | i know |
| 23:03.29 | Nihil85 | the world's strange |
| 23:03.36 | Nihil85 | internet the same |
| 23:04.16 | Nihil85 | no english people inside this channel |
| 23:04.19 | Nihil85 | this is the true |
| 23:07.11 | wethrin | No, they're probably all at the pub |
| 23:07.17 | Nihil85 | uhmmm |
| 23:08.15 | Nihil85 | you see, it's like a legend that the english people is pub-addicted |
| 23:08.49 | wethrin | Not at all! I left the pub an hour ago |
| 23:09.05 | Nihil85 | uhmmm |
| 23:09.19 | Nihil85 | i know that the pubs are closed at 23:00 |
| 23:09.30 | Nihil85 | and 1:00 in the weekend |
| 23:09.42 | wethrin | That's not necessarily true any more |
| 23:09.54 | wethrin | a) At weekends, they still had to close at 11pm |
| 23:09.57 | rhowe | I didn't even go to the pub tonight |
| 23:09.59 | wethrin | 10.30pm on Sundays |
| 23:10.07 | JAV | binge drinking ended? :D |
| 23:10.12 | rhowe | But will do tomorrow :P |
| 23:10.27 | Nihil85 | uhmmmm |
| 23:10.28 | Nihil85 | wait |
| 23:10.31 | wethrin | Except for a few places that had a late licence |
| 23:10.51 | Nihil85 | i've said that most of the pubs are over at 11pm and 1am in the weekends |
| 23:10.59 | Nihil85 | so is this true or not? |
| 23:11.02 | wethrin | No |
| 23:11.17 | Nihil85 | uhmm |
| 23:11.20 | Nihil85 | i understand |
| 23:12.44 | Nihil85 | here in Italy (especially in the south), all the pubs, restaurants, bar and discotheques are opened until 4 'o clock |
| 23:12.59 | Nihil85 | there are a lot of pubs that are opened 24/24 |
| 23:13.16 | Nihil85 | we have the habit to eat at 5:00 |
| 23:13.23 | Nihil85 | especially in the weekend |
| 23:13.40 | Nihil85 | we usually go out at 11pm and return home at 6am |
| 23:13.58 | wethrin | heh |
| 23:14.00 | Nihil85 | so we have to eat something before returning home |
| 23:14.40 | Nihil85 | so, there are a lot of bar and "rosticcerie" (something like a bar that have pizza and some special south dishes) are opened until 6am |
| 23:15.31 | Nihil85 | we have a real nightlife |
| 23:15.44 | wethrin | nice |
| 23:15.46 | Nihil85 | i guess the same is in Spain, right JAV? |
| 23:15.57 | JAV | yes, very similar |
| 23:16.09 | Nihil85 | we are latin people |
| 23:16.15 | Nihil85 | the best people you can find to have fun |
| 23:16.23 | Nihil85 | to get late at home |
| 23:16.28 | Nihil85 | to drink wine |
| 23:16.33 | Nihil85 | or to have sex |
| 23:16.38 | JAV | to drink everything |
| 23:16.45 | Nihil85 | yes |
| 23:17.17 | Nihil85 | but from when i saw a German drinkin' beer.... |
| 23:17.29 | JAV | with coke |
| 23:17.35 | Nihil85 | no |
| 23:17.40 | JAV | yes, I saw it |
| 23:17.44 | z00dax | btw, at the risk of going semi OT here.... |
| 23:17.50 | Nihil85 | 15 liters in 5-6 hours |
| 23:18.04 | Nihil85 | 15 liters of beer... |
| 23:18.05 | z00dax | ... I am going to be on the 8:43am train into .be - Friday morning |
| 23:18.08 | Nihil85 | it was incredible |
| 23:18.19 | z00dax | 24th that is |
| 23:18.20 | JAV | well, people drink too much.. in everywhere |
| 23:18.28 | z00dax | I know there are some other people who already have tickets for the same train ? |
| 23:18.30 | wethrin | z00dax: Yay |
| 23:18.31 | Nihil85 | but 15 liters are a suicide |
| 23:18.39 | z00dax | wethrin, are you on it as well ? |
| 23:18.47 | wethrin | z00dax: No, I'll be flying from Newcastle |
| 23:18.51 | Nihil85 | it puked a lot... what the fucking german |
| 23:19.02 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 23:19.05 | JAV | z00dax: Fosdem early birds? |
| 23:19.06 | z00dax | where is everyone staying ? |
| 23:19.16 | wethrin | Youth Hostel |
| 23:19.24 | wethrin | You in? Or you hotelling? |
| 23:19.26 | Nihil85 | i should be damned if i understood a word |
| 23:19.30 | z00dax | There will be another friend of mine, Matthew ( crazy dude, uses debian ) who might also make it with me |
| 23:19.44 | wethrin | Yes. Crazy. Uses Debian. Fits |
| 23:19.55 | z00dax | wethrin, plan is to stay with a friend - who aparently lives not-too-far out |
| 23:20.09 | wethrin | z00dax: Fine |
| 23:20.17 | z00dax | all i now need to do is contact this said friend, and let him know that i am staying with him :) |
| 23:20.20 | wethrin | Who're you travelling with on that train? |
| 23:20.50 | z00dax | either me alone or me and Matthew |
| 23:21.05 | Nihil85 | JAV, do you understand a word? |
| 23:21.14 | wethrin | z00dax: morsing may be travelling with you |
| 23:21.31 | z00dax | wethrin, cool - will drop him an email and get mobile number |
| 23:21.39 | z00dax | iirc, Cope was trying for a friday off as well |
| 23:21.43 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 23:22.01 | JAV | Nihil85: yes, They are going to travel to belgium. (Don't know why) |
| 23:22.01 | wethrin | Most of us will be there on Friday |
| 23:22.06 | wethrin | JAV: FOSDEM |
| 23:22.17 | z00dax | ah good, if not in this country, I get to meet everyone in a country close by :) |
| 23:22.19 | Nihil85 | what's FOSDEM? |
| 23:22.27 | wethrin | And it's not really Belgium. Belgium doesn't exist |
| 23:22.36 | Nihil85 | is it a brand of dildo, a kind of bird or a city? |
| 23:22.39 | wethrin | Free and Open Source Developers European Meeting |
| 23:22.47 | Nihil85 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:22.48 | Nihil85 | ok |
| 23:23.21 | JAV | 25 & 26 Feb |
| 23:23.32 | wethrin | And the all-important 24th :) |
| 23:23.52 | Nihil85 | i will be in London on 4th March |
| 23:24.00 | JAV | true, in the king of spain |
| 23:24.13 | Nihil85 | what's the weather on that period? |
| 23:24.29 | JAV | wethrin: is there a gllug-fosdem wiki? |
| 23:24.31 | wethrin | No idea. Check BBC Weather |
| 23:24.35 | wethrin | JAV: No |
| 23:24.45 | wethrin | "Organisation" was done on the Social mailing list |
| 23:25.07 | JAV | I'd like to go this year |
| 23:25.54 | wethrin | I hope the talks will be more interesting than last year |
| 23:26.09 | JAV | I should book plane and hostel now |
| 23:26.15 | Nihil85 | wethrin, i meant: is London on March as rainy as september? |
| 23:26.21 | Nihil85 | and cold |
| 23:26.30 | z00dax | is everyone staying at the same hostel ? |
| 23:26.37 | wethrin | London's warm in September |
| 23:26.47 | wethrin | z00dax: Jacques Brel |
| 23:26.52 | wethrin | That's the "standard" Youth Hostel |
| 23:27.21 | JAV | It's not one of the "official" ones this year |
| 23:27.22 | z00dax | humm.... maybe might be more fun to therefore stay there rather than with friend-who-wont-answer-phone-at-this-time |
| 23:29.01 | wethrin | Some of us overspilled to another Youth Hostel last year |
| 23:29.11 | wethrin | JAV: There is no official youth hostel |
| 23:29.11 | z00dax | wethrin, you think confirming on Thursday evening would be too late ? |
| 23:29.25 | wethrin | z00dax: Which Thursday? |
| 23:29.30 | JAV | http://www.fosdem.org/2006/index/practical/accomodation |
| 23:29.31 | z00dax | 48 hrs from now |
| 23:29.39 | Leeds | ugh |
| 23:29.48 | wethrin | JAV: We always try and stay in the Jacques Brel |
| 23:30.00 | z00dax | morning Leeds |
| 23:30.45 | JAV | wethrin: what's the url? |
| 23:31.00 | wethrin | z00dax: I'll probably end up booking on Thursday early afternoon |
| 23:31.32 | z00dax | wethrin, what kinda cost we looking at ? |
| 23:31.32 | wethrin | JAV: No idea. I google |
| 23:31.38 | wethrin | "jacques brel brussels youth hostel" |
| 23:31.43 | JAV | good idea :D |
| 23:31.45 | wethrin | z00dax: 17.50EUR/night |
| 23:31.55 | Leeds | morning z00dax, all |
| 23:31.59 | z00dax | i wonder if they have net access |
| 23:32.13 | wethrin | There's some internet terminals |
| 23:33.18 | z00dax | so is this like 17.50 per room or is this 17.50 per bed in a room of many beds |
| 23:33.23 | wethrin | second one |
| 23:33.24 | Leeds | ha ha ha |
| 23:33.30 | wethrin | They do have individual rooms |
| 23:33.34 | wethrin | For about 30EUR/night, IIRC |
| 23:33.58 | Leeds | I doubt there's anywhere in (western) Europe which would give you a room for 17.50 a night |
| 23:34.05 | z00dax | how'se the group for snorers |
| 23:34.30 | z00dax | Leeds, right thats what i thought, hence the question - couple of people on list seem to want 'rooms' |
| 23:34.31 | wethrin | Fine |
| 23:34.36 | wethrin | We're normally too drunk to care :) |
| 23:35.20 | wethrin | No, no. I'm booking a 'room'. Which will contain multiple beds |
| 23:35.42 | Leeds | zzzzz *hic* |
| 23:35.51 | wethrin | Cheers, Leeds! |
| 23:35.56 | z00dax | ha |
| 23:36.01 | wethrin | We'll drink for you in Brussels |
| 23:36.12 | z00dax | i am not much of a drinker actually. |
| 23:36.31 | wethrin | Fosdem will turn you into one |
| 23:36.40 | wethrin | Otherwise you have to face Richard Stallman sober |
| 23:36.44 | z00dax | I can live with that, wont be driving anywhere |
| 23:36.49 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:37.09 | z00dax | live with = drinking lots, not facing richard stallman sober |
| 23:37.13 | z00dax | :) |
| 23:37.28 | Leeds | heh |
| 23:37.30 | wethrin | :-) |
| 23:38.12 | z00dax | wethrin, will confirm by 11:00am on Thursday morning - 26th Jan |
| 23:38.19 | wethrin | z00dax: That's fine |
| 23:38.36 | wethrin | I get out of teaching stuff at midday |
| 23:38.48 | Leeds | BTW, for those who didn't see: http://www.oed.com/bbcwords/ |
| 23:39.31 | wethrin | Dear Apple. Please fix your memory leaks in Safari. Love, Dan |
| 23:40.24 | Leeds | s/Apple/Mozilla/ s/Safari/Firefox/ s/Dan/Richard/ |
| 23:40.45 | wethrin | :-) |
| 23:44.16 | Nihil85 | anyone from London here? |
| 23:45.11 | z00dax | Nihil85, most of us are |
| 23:45.28 | z00dax | s/are/have been at some point/ |
| 23:45.30 | Nihil85 | i wanted to know if there are cheap hostels or hotels that maybe have not an internet site |
| 23:45.40 | wethrin | No. It's London. :) |
| 23:45.58 | z00dax | therefore cheap is also relative to london cheap |
| 23:46.11 | Nihil85 | yes, it's not euro area |
| 23:46.22 | Nihil85 | 1£ = 1,50 euro |
| 23:46.33 | wethrin | There's a Days Inn at South Ruislip. I wonder how much that costs |
| 23:47.09 | z00dax | Nihil85, try the gumtree website - those ozzies tend to sniff out some good deals sometimes |
| 23:47.24 | wethrin | z00dax: Don't they just sleep behind the bars they work at? |
| 23:47.27 | Nihil85 | wethrin, i know, but my only sources are the internet sources... so maybe there are some hotels that haven't an internet sites and maybe they're much more cheaper tht the net-ones |
| 23:47.44 | z00dax | wethrin, the rest of them do :) the ones who didnt sniff out a deal or two |
| 23:47.53 | wethrin | Unlikely - all the official youth hostels are going to be on the main youth hostel site |
| 23:48.00 | wethrin | And IIRC there's one near Tottenham Court Road |
| 23:48.05 | wethrin | heh |
| 23:48.17 | z00dax | there is a Y around the area as well .... |
| 23:48.34 | Nihil85 | how much is a night in an hostel in london? |
| 23:48.44 | z00dax | no idea |
| 23:48.47 | Nihil85 | uhmmm |
| 23:48.57 | Nihil85 | i will use google to find something useful |
| 23:49.05 | Nihil85 | but i have to buy cigarettes |
| 23:49.17 | Nihil85 | it's a big decision |
| 23:49.25 | Nihil85 | buy cigs or surf internet? |
| 23:49.25 | Leeds | bloody foreigners, coming to the UK, taking our jobs and women... |
| 23:49.55 | wethrin | Leeds: Buying our cigarettes? |
| 23:50.20 | Nihil85 | Leeds, i dislike english women |
| 23:50.24 | Nihil85 | don't worry |
| 23:50.33 | Nihil85 | and i hate to work |
| 23:50.34 | Leeds | wethrin: nah, that's all right, as long as they take them home to smoke them |
| 23:50.41 | Leeds | Nihil85: :-) |
| 23:51.11 | z00dax | humm... cant say i dont like english women, but i dont smoke. and i pay my tax's |
| 23:51.12 | Nihil85 | there's a big fact: |
| 23:51.22 | Nihil85 | in england you don't have the BIDET |
| 23:51.29 | Leeds | I pay my taxis |
| 23:51.36 | Nihil85 | do you know bidet (or bidè)? |
| 23:52.42 | wethrin | Indeed. We have this wonderful invention called toilet paper |
| 23:52.53 | Nihil85 | we too |
| 23:52.54 | wethrin | Leeds: Do you pay your taxis with your taxes? |
| 23:53.01 | Nihil85 | but it's not enough the toilet paper |
| 23:53.05 | Leeds | I currently pay no taxes |
| 23:53.20 | Nihil85 | for this reason, i dislike english women |
| 23:53.37 | Leeds | but I do pay many taxis - too many, I should walk more |
| 23:53.46 | z00dax | or drive yourself ? |
| 23:55.33 | Leeds | nah, I wouldn't drive here |
