| 00:01.26 | Cope | zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:01.51 | George | Leeds: sharon? |
| 00:02.17 | rhowe | George: As in the washing powder |
| 00:02.51 | Cope | rhowe: beer may be an option tomo |
| 00:03.12 | rhowe | Cope: Alright, well you have my number, and you presumably know where London.pm will be |
| 00:03.20 | Cope | indeed |
| 00:03.30 | Cope | my former local |
| 00:03.43 | Cope | now bed |
| 00:03.47 | Cope | zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:04.58 | George | rhowe: hrmm. what? |
| 00:05.13 | George | rhowe: which dinovo do you have? |
| 00:05.18 | George | rhowe: version 1 or version 2? |
| 00:05.24 | rhowe | George: v1, I expect |
| 00:05.42 | George | ok |
| 00:05.47 | George | mine's playing up |
| 00:05.49 | George | bluetooth wise |
| 00:07.07 | rhowe | Mine's attached to someone else's Windows PC at the moment |
| 00:11.34 | George | hrmm |
| 00:12.04 | rhowe | George: Change the batteries/kernel/OS? :) |
| 00:12.50 | George | rhowe: nah |
| 00:13.03 | George | it's a bluetooth issue more than anything to behonest |
| 00:13.44 | rhowe | George: Are you running a Linux kernel with the latest -mh patch series (assuming they're still being done) |
| 00:14.21 | George | no idea |
| 00:14.27 | George | carbon bluetooth # uname -r |
| 00:14.27 | George | 2.6.15-rc4 |
| 00:14.32 | rhowe | Then no |
| 00:14.42 | rhowe | although, with a kernel that recent, it might not make much difference |
| 00:15.21 | Leeds | for what it's worth, 2.6.15 did happen |
| 00:15.28 | George | rhowe: it's to do with pairing under windows and linux |
| 00:15.42 | Leeds | George: sharon, as in the current and, until this morning, future prime minister of Israel |
| 00:15.43 | George | rhowe: every time I reboot I have to manually connect the keyboard and mouse again |
| 00:16.43 | rhowe | George: Ah, I had that problem. I just stuck the hidd --connect stuff in the startup scripts eventually |
| 00:17.57 | George | lol |
| 00:32.06 | George | yeah, changing the bluetooth id to the same on both windows and linux didn't stop windows wanting to reassociate |
| 01:09.21 | Leeds | for the record, still no cert |
| 01:20.00 | George | eek |
| 01:20.27 | Leeds | got an email back from them essentially saying "yup, something went wrong, we're looking into it, we'll get back to you at some point" |
| 01:20.43 | Leeds | so I called them - to be told "yup, something went wrong, we'll look into it and get back to you" |
| 01:21.18 | rhowe | cert for what? insanity? |
| 01:22.49 | Leeds | ssl |
| 01:23.04 | Leeds | replacement for the one whose passphrase I managed to completely blank on |
| 01:24.49 | Leeds | "The issuing problem is being worked on, the certificate should be issued in the next few hours." still not really good enough |
| 01:24.53 | rhowe | Ah :) |
| 01:25.19 | rhowe | Leeds: Perhaps they are having trouble issuing two certs for the same CN when one has ceased to expire? |
| 01:25.23 | George | Leeds: demand a refund |
| 01:26.18 | Leeds | possibly... although I did revoke the other one |
| 01:26.56 | Leeds | George: I shall have further words with Jason once the new cert is issued, since I bought it through him as a reseller |
| 01:36.44 | George | heh |
| 01:40.34 | rhowe | hm, seems my landlady has some "exfoliating wipes" |
| 01:42.12 | Leeds | ah well, time to go to work |
| 02:17.07 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 04:33.50 | Kitty | morning |
| 04:33.54 | Leeds | hi |
| 04:34.09 | Kitty | hows you? |
| 04:34.12 | Kitty | had a good day ? |
| 04:34.50 | Leeds | eh... didn't sleep very much, and had to own up to the boss that the company website is offline and it's my fault |
| 04:35.35 | Leeds | my body was passing very clear messages saying "As far as I know I'm still in GMT and I'm damned if I'm going to sleep at 4 in the afternoon" |
| 04:37.13 | Kitty | doh |
| 04:38.14 | Kitty | what did you do to make the site fall ovr ? |
| 04:43.28 | George | GO TO SLEEP |
| 04:43.47 | Kitty | George: I just woke up |
| 04:43.55 | George | hrmm |
| 04:45.52 | George | Kitty: and you didn't offer me any? |
| 04:46.01 | Kitty | I ran out hows ago |
| 04:46.29 | George | digging yourself into a hole here. |
| 04:46.51 | Kitty | I did offer you some |
| 04:47.07 | George | what? |
| 04:47.23 | Kitty | you wasn't about tho |
| 04:47.33 | George | sly |
| 04:49.35 | George | Leeds is very pokable |
| 04:49.52 | Leeds | sorry, talking to someone |
| 04:50.09 | Leeds | Kitty: I forgot the passphrase for the apache ssl cert :-( |
| 04:50.20 | George | Kitty: fool |
| 04:50.21 | Kitty | Leeds: ah, yeah, that tends to fubar thigns abit |
| 04:50.36 | Leeds | a) don't put knives on the floor and b) don't step on them |
| 04:50.43 | Kitty | actually |
| 04:50.45 | Leeds | c) don't forget important passwords |
| 04:51.04 | Kitty | I dropped it off the side and it sliced my ankle |
| 04:51.08 | Leeds | ugh |
| 04:51.13 | Leeds | George: House is good |
| 04:51.18 | George | Leeds: yes |
| 04:51.22 | George | Leeds: laurie is very different.. |
| 04:51.35 | Leeds | he is - it took me a while to be sure it was him, when I first saw it |
| 04:51.41 | George | hehe |
| 04:51.53 | Leeds | Kitty: um, well... don't go in the kitchen without body armour? |
| 04:52.14 | Kitty | I don't have any body armour |
| 04:52.31 | Kitty | I do have an NBC suit, to protect me from the rest of the kitchen |
| 04:52.43 | Leeds | student? |
| 04:52.50 | Kitty | not anymore |
| 04:52.57 | Kitty | I live with 2 students tho |
| 04:53.03 | Leeds | ah |
| 04:53.43 | George | I live with two adults |
| 04:53.49 | George | HAH! |
| 04:53.50 | Kitty | George: your parents ? |
| 04:53.51 | George | I win |
| 04:53.53 | George | Kitty: yes. |
| 04:54.02 | Leeds | student kitchens - and single male kitchens - tend to be dangerous places |
| 04:54.31 | George | as is Leeds' flat |
| 04:55.03 | Kitty | urgh, at this time of night I cannot use the mixer to make brownies :o( |
| 04:55.59 | George | hahaha |
| 04:56.08 | George | that said, I'm hungry |
| 04:56.09 | George | :( |
| 04:56.30 | Leeds | lunchtime here in a few minutes |
| 04:57.01 | Kitty | ooh, I have chocolate in the fridge |
| 04:57.12 | George | Kitty: where do you live? |
| 04:57.17 | Kitty | George: Kent |
| 04:57.35 | George | hrmm, too far |
| 04:57.40 | Kitty | where are you ? |
| 04:58.21 | George | london |
| 04:58.52 | George | north |
| 04:59.26 | Kitty | to far away |
| 04:59.47 | Leeds | google has a braille logo today |
| 04:59.57 | George | yes |
| 05:00.09 | George | Leeds: did you notice that the intel bag was made by a company called Leeds? |
| 05:01.28 | Leeds | actually, no - but someone bought me a Sun-branded PDA holder from the Sun store in California made by - I would guess - the same company |
| 05:03.33 | George | heh |
| 05:10.09 | George | House is like a medical version of Holmes |
| 05:10.40 | Leeds | but with a fake accent and sexual tension! |
| 05:11.04 | Kitty | house? |
| 05:11.07 | George | haha |
| 05:11.21 | George | Leeds: and a busted leg |
| 05:12.51 | Leeds | yes |
| 05:13.08 | Leeds | Kitty: a medical show from the US, starring an Americanized Hugh Laurie |
| 05:13.18 | Kitty | hehe |
| 05:13.18 | Kitty | ah |
| 05:14.35 | George | we love hugh! |
| 05:32.50 | Kitty | mmmm eye candy |
| 05:35.32 | George | wtf |
| 05:38.48 | Kitty | ? |
| 05:39.12 | George | are you using enlightenment? |
| 05:39.20 | Kitty | nope |
| 05:39.26 | Kitty | Evilwm |
| 05:39.35 | Kitty | the eye candy is refering to the woman in this film |
| 05:39.55 | Kitty | who is most unfortunatly straight no doubt |
| 05:40.09 | George | what film? |
| 05:40.39 | Kitty | transporter 2 |
| 06:01.10 | Kitty | yay for implausable use of computers in films! |
| 06:09.57 | Leeds | morning Cope |
| 06:14.21 | Kitty | hi cope |
| 06:20.24 | Kitty | ho hummm |
| 06:20.27 | Kitty | chatty lot aren't you |
| 06:21.06 | Kitty | Leeds: you still around? |
| 06:21.27 | Kitty | hmm, work |
| 06:21.39 | Kitty | I have 6 hours till my shift starts |
| 06:22.29 | Leeds | Kitty: sure |
| 06:23.03 | Kitty | 0730 yesterday you asked me what my linux story was |
| 06:23.05 | Kitty | still interested ? |
| 06:23.14 | Leeds | George: you should meet joshua over on #hh.org |
| 06:23.18 | Leeds | Kitty: certainly! |
| 06:23.55 | Leeds | George: he's about your age, and he's one of the few people working on things like support for new devices in familiar |
| 06:24.23 | Leeds | George: and he has a bad history of doing things like blowing ipaqs up and putting them in the oven to try to fix them |
| 06:26.49 | Kitty | Leeds: want to narrow the question down abit? |
| 06:28.07 | Leeds | Kitty: what do you do with Linux, when and how did you get started? |
| 06:28.20 | Kitty | started in 1998, on deadrat 5.2 |
| 06:28.27 | Kitty | these days I use linux for most things |
| 06:28.40 | Kitty | servers, foot rests, door stops, workstation, router, kitchen box |
| 06:29.01 | Kitty | Embedded design type geek by training, |
| 06:29.23 | Kitty | I work on a windows heldesk for a living |
| 06:29.45 | Kitty | I tend to like doing things to hardware and software it wasn't designed to do |
| 06:29.58 | Kitty | like using gcc to output html |
| 06:30.36 | Kitty | anything else I can tell you ? |
| 06:30.49 | Leeds | gcc outputting html? |
| 06:30.55 | Kitty | yes |
| 06:31.19 | Kitty | an idea I took based from something someone said on gllug mailling list. |
| 06:31.25 | Leeds | anyway, I was just being nosy - trying to work out how/where/if you fit in around here :-) |
| 06:31.35 | Kitty | do i? |
| 06:32.13 | Kitty | fit in that is? |
| 06:32.35 | Leeds | yeah, I think so... not that it's really any of my business anyway |
| 06:32.40 | Kitty | hehe |
| 06:33.35 | Kitty | what about you ? |
| 06:33.39 | Kitty | whats your story ? |
| 06:36.45 | Leeds | went to uni in 95, got a brand new windows 95 pc to take with me - had mainly been on 8-bit and 16-bit machines before that, but had used plenty of freeware/shareware, some of which was open source/free software, in retrospect |
| 06:37.19 | Leeds | bought a couple of CDs of freeware/shareware to use with the new PC, amazed at the sheer volume of software which fitted on a CD... |
| 06:38.23 | Leeds | my computer science course was all run on HP-UX, and I found a very old copy of Linux on one of the CDs, which I tried and failed to install - ended up downloading slackware instead, one floppy at a time, although I did take over a small computer lab a couple of times to run lots of parallel downloads |
| 06:38.51 | Kitty | lol |
| 06:39.20 | Leeds | we didn't have any local storage - it was network storage or floppies, so I was downloading straight to floppies |
| 06:39.28 | Kitty | nice |
| 06:39.29 | Kitty | which uni ? |
| 06:39.44 | Leeds | plus I didn't have enough floppies to download the whole thing in one go, so it took me a week or two to get installed with X running |
| 06:39.46 | Leeds | Liverpool |
| 06:40.01 | Leeds | that particular lab overlooked the entrance to Penny Lane :-) |
| 06:40.02 | Kitty | I went to Kent |
| 06:40.05 | Kitty | nice |
| 06:40.14 | Leeds | bet we had more tourists... |
| 06:40.46 | Kitty | entirely plausable |
| 06:40.52 | Kitty | we probably had less scousers :p |
| 06:41.34 | Leeds | anyway, run dual-boot while I was at Uni, pretty much gave up on Windows after graduating in '98, got a job at SCO working on Unixware out of Uni, ended up at Sun working on Solaris when SCO went evil, lost my job there in February last year and moved to Hong Kong to work for a bra company instead |
| 06:41.55 | Kitty | shiny |
| 06:42.02 | Kitty | which site at sun were you at? |
| 06:42.22 | Leeds | did at one point have Linux running on PPC, x86 and ARM, as well as Solaris on SPARC at home... |
| 06:42.29 | Leeds | Watford... it no longer exists |
| 06:42.40 | Kitty | ah |
| 06:42.43 | Kitty | I know the area |
| 06:42.46 | Kitty | watford that is |
| 06:42.49 | Kitty | was there last week |
| 06:42.56 | Leeds | Watford 2, technically - there was a site in Watford before us, but that doesn't exist either |
| 06:43.08 | Kitty | heh |
| 06:43.30 | Leeds | do you know Clarendon Road? the road from the station into town? |
| 06:44.15 | Kitty | yes |
| 06:44.43 | Leeds | do know know the Regus building, on the south-ish side of the road, about 3 buildings from the station? |
| 06:44.54 | Kitty | yes |
| 06:45.23 | Leeds | well, a significant amount of work on Solaris 10 happened on the top floor of that building |
| 06:45.31 | Kitty | shiny |
| 06:45.40 | Kitty | I was involved in the opensolaris pilot |
| 06:46.09 | Leeds | you know project janus? |
| 06:46.19 | Kitty | probably. |
| 06:46.23 | Kitty | remind me |
| 06:46.34 | Leeds | now reincarnated as brandX |
| 06:46.53 | Kitty | urgh, brain gone to mush |
| 06:47.41 | Leeds | Linux binary compatibility for solaris x86 - in a zone (container) now |
| 06:47.52 | Kitty | ah yes |
| 06:48.20 | Leeds | well, I worked on it for almost 2 years |
| 06:48.49 | Kitty | nice |
| 06:49.01 | Leeds | reasonably nice |
| 06:49.25 | Leeds | ended rather messily |
| 06:49.32 | Kitty | oh? |
| 06:50.21 | Leeds | project was trampled on, and then effectively stolen, by some engineers in California, shortly after which the whole team - and indeed site - in the UK was laid off |
| 06:50.39 | Kitty | ouch |
| 06:50.45 | Kitty | who was the engineer on .ca? |
| 06:52.32 | Leeds | well, Nils was involved... |
| 06:52.39 | Leeds | can't remember the name of the ringleader, to be honest |
| 06:52.45 | Kitty | ah ok |
| 06:53.16 | Leeds | I was actually in Boston, to work at LinuxWorld - having been at the SF show the previous summer to launch Janus - when they told us we were laid off |
| 06:53.17 | Leeds | freak |
| 06:54.04 | Kitty | the schedular in solaris is amazing |
| 06:54.06 | Kitty | ouch |
| 06:54.30 | Leeds | ah, they're calling it brandz now |
| 06:55.14 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 06:55.27 | Leeds | in fact... hmm... do you fit in...? |
| 06:55.35 | *** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 06:55.37 | Kitty | EEP! |
| 06:55.38 | Leeds | :-) |
| 06:55.50 | Kitty | closed minded weirdo :p |
| 06:56.10 | Leeds | uh - you did see who I worked for before Sun, and what I'm doing now, right? calling me closed minded? :-) |
| 06:56.24 | Kitty | sco and sun |
| 06:56.25 | Kitty | sorry |
| 06:56.28 | Kitty | treaterous weirdo :p |
| 06:56.57 | Leeds | better |
| 06:57.07 | Leeds | note that I'm not arguing with weirdo :-) |
| 06:57.14 | Kitty | hehe |
| 06:57.17 | Kitty | open minds are good |
| 06:58.46 | Leeds | better than open sores |
| 06:58.57 | Kitty | that is an appalling pun |
| 06:59.02 | Kitty | you should kick yourself for that |
| 06:59.08 | Kitty | come on, it was just pundemenatlly wrong! |
| 06:59.53 | Leeds | it's a very old line |
| 07:00.00 | Kitty | yes |
| 07:00.04 | Kitty | which is why its so poor |
| 07:00.09 | Kitty | not punny atall |
| 07:00.25 | Leeds | ouch |
| 07:01.40 | Leeds | uh... I just got a piece of semi-spam advertising a BA(Hons) in Intimate Apparel - that is, a degree in underwear |
| 07:01.50 | Kitty | wonderful |
| 07:02.01 | Kitty | which bra company do you work for ? |
| 07:02.20 | Leeds | Metex/Bratex - you won't have heard of us, since we're manufacturers and don't have our own brands |
| 07:02.30 | Kitty | ah |
| 07:07.32 | Kitty | why am I sleepy already |
| 07:07.37 | Kitty | its only lunch time by my body clock |
| 07:08.27 | Leeds | are you in a shift-oriented timezone? |
| 07:09.08 | Kitty | not really |
| 07:09.14 | Kitty | i prefer to describe it as fucked up |
| 07:09.21 | Kitty | I am an insomniac |
| 07:09.26 | Kitty | and I work only 4 hours a day |
| 07:09.30 | Kitty | 5 days a week |
| 07:09.32 | Kitty | 30 weeks a year |
| 07:09.37 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 07:09.57 | Leeds | is that serious insomniac, or just not a good sleeper? |
| 07:10.14 | Kitty | what do you mean by serious insomniac? |
| 07:11.17 | Leeds | consistantly unable to get to sleep at night, sometimes or regularly getting little or no sleep |
| 07:11.24 | Kitty | yes |
| 07:11.28 | Leeds | (to make up an official-sounding definition on the spot) |
| 07:11.43 | Kitty | but when I do eventually sleep |
| 07:11.47 | Kitty | nothing wakes me |
| 07:12.09 | Kitty | I have had people try for 3 hours to wake me up |
| 07:12.39 | Leeds | wow |
| 07:13.31 | Leeds | that does sound rather fucked up |
| 07:13.40 | Kitty | yeah |
| 07:13.58 | Kitty | but, you wanna know the really *reallY* fucked up bit? |
| 07:14.07 | Kitty | touch my computer, I wake up instantly |
| 07:14.19 | Kitty | IT MAKES NO SENSE! |
| 07:14.48 | Leeds | unless, like many of us here, your computer is an essential part of your body - even a sensory organ |
| 07:15.02 | Kitty | true |
| 07:15.11 | Kitty | I am getting better tho |
| 07:15.25 | Kitty | I only have about 7 machines running in my room now |
| 07:15.29 | Kitty | not including the switch, |
| 07:15.48 | Kitty | but when the switch has 6 120mm fans cooling it, its rather noisy |
| 07:16.58 | Leeds | yeah, I do try to limit fan noise in my bedroom... which is slightly hard now that I'm living in a studio flat |
| 07:17.47 | Kitty | heh |
| 07:17.59 | Kitty | being in what is ultimately a student place, I live in 1 room |
| 07:18.02 | Kitty | which drives me nuts |
| 07:18.10 | Kitty | I want to be able to ahve a server room, a bedroom, and a lab |
| 07:18.24 | Leeds | in my place in London, I had a server cupboard |
| 07:19.36 | Kitty | server room, server cupboard, both work |
| 07:19.48 | Kitty | I tend to describe my network as a server allotment |
| 07:19.53 | Kitty | as its not quite a server farm |
| 07:19.58 | Kitty | but its also not a single machine |
| 07:20.19 | Leeds | cobbled-together server called bigboy, Ultra 10 called sparky, hub, wireless access point and sometimes ADSL modem |
| 07:21.10 | Leeds | here, I have a laptop called richard-laptop, a router called router, a server called littleboy (it's a minimac) and a desktop called George |
| 07:21.35 | Leeds | my desktop has always been called George, ever since that first win95 machine over 10 years ago |
| 07:21.39 | Kitty | running, we have black, brains, isis, knuth, bertha, redhead, footrest. |
| 07:21.56 | Leeds | if I keep talking about George, I might wake him up |
| 07:22.15 | Kitty | we then also have: depth and time, point and click, touch and feel, pot and kettle, bucket, banana, osiris, boobies, and pussy |
| 07:22.21 | Kitty | actually, pussy is running too |
| 07:22.27 | Kitty | its a cisco catalyst |
| 07:22.32 | Kitty | which I refered to as a cat |
| 07:22.41 | Kitty | and a friend thought it was a real cat I was talking about it |
| 07:22.53 | Kitty | and via a bottle of wine the entry in the dns ended up as pussy |
| 07:23.04 | Leeds | heh |
| 07:23.30 | Kitty | oh, and boobies is a dual processor sparc 20, I asked a friend to name it after something which there are 2 of |
| 07:23.37 | Kitty | I learned never to let someone else name a machine |
| 07:23.42 | Leeds | heh |
| 07:24.49 | Leeds | a project with which I'm involved has machines called butter, cheese (actually, yogurt and yoghurt, but it was a drop-in replacement for cheese) and marmite |
| 07:25.23 | Leeds | marmite, of course, a reference to the eternal debate over kosher marmite |
| 07:25.53 | Kitty | lol |
| 07:26.00 | Kitty | do you hold a british passport? |
| 07:26.06 | Leeds | yup |
| 07:26.15 | Leeds | I'm 100% born and bred British |
| 07:26.43 | Leeds | brb |
| 07:27.15 | Kitty | do you like marmite? |
| 07:28.47 | *** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 07:29.30 | morsing | 'morsing |
| 07:29.35 | morsing | morning even |
| 07:29.39 | Kitty | hi |
| 07:29.50 | morsing | You're up early! |
| 07:30.12 | Kitty | yep |
| 07:32.34 | Kitty | well spotted |
| 07:32.53 | morsing | He scares easily |
| 07:35.11 | Leeds | I went to the loo, okay? |
| 07:35.18 | morsing | Thanks! |
| 07:35.20 | Kitty | ah ok |
| 07:35.34 | Leeds | morning morsing |
| 07:35.35 | morsing | Leeds: What did you have for lunch? |
| 07:35.40 | Leeds | ibot seen mozrat |
| 07:35.48 | ibot | mozrat <i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 11d 16h 41m 3s ago, saying: 's'. |
| 07:35.48 | morsing | Morning Leeds |
| 07:36.06 | morsing | What happened to him :-( |
| 07:36.06 | Kitty | Leeds: marmite, do you like it ? |
| 07:36.15 | morsing | Mmm... Marmite |
| 07:36.32 | Leeds | morsing: turkey, homous, carrots, water, and something like matzah, but not |
| 07:36.40 | morsing | matzah? |
| 07:36.42 | Leeds | Kitty: not quite sure, but I do like twiglets |
| 07:36.44 | morsing | ibot matzah |
| 07:37.04 | Leeds | mmm... twiglets |
| 07:37.09 | Leeds | argh... |
| 07:37.15 | Kitty | you are a british expat |
| 07:37.19 | Kitty | and you don't like marmite |
| 07:37.22 | Kitty | or rather |
| 07:37.24 | Kitty | don't love it |
| 07:37.33 | Kitty | I have paid for accomadation when travelling in marmite! |
| 07:37.43 | Kitty | thats paying in marmite, not travelling in it |
| 07:38.14 | Leeds | I've seen an aussie scraping up a broken jar of vegemite, glass shards, dirt and all, and keep it for future eating |
| 07:38.22 | Kitty | lol |
| 07:38.26 | morsing | :-) |
| 07:38.28 | Leeds | and I wouldn't imagine you'd be *able* to pay for accommodation if you were travelling in marmite |
| 07:40.24 | Kitty | lol |
| 07:40.35 | Kitty | http://www.slut.org.uk/pics/Misc/me.html |
| 07:40.37 | morsing | Leeds: What my Totaljobs password? |
| 07:41.11 | Leeds | Kitty: aalib? |
| 07:41.15 | Leeds | morsing: huh? |
| 07:41.28 | Kitty | jitaq |
| 07:41.31 | Leeds | Kitty: actually, that doesn't help me picture you covered in marmite |
| 07:42.30 | Kitty | hehe |
| 07:42.35 | Kitty | funny that |
| 07:42.41 | Kitty | pictures of me are rare |
| 07:42.45 | Kitty | I tend to be behind the camera |
| 07:42.53 | Kitty | quixotic.org.uk/Photos has MANY photos I took |
| 07:44.52 | Leeds | hmm... a LARPer |
| 07:46.17 | Leeds | when you need to report on the question of whether your prime minister has vital signs or not, you know you don't have the strongest government in the world |
| 07:46.29 | Kitty | lol |
| 07:46.49 | Leeds | and they've started eulogising him |
| 07:47.36 | Leeds | yes, it's a translation from the Hebrew, but "Arik was not only a leader, but a close friend to us all. This is a difficult time and we'll face it together." is in the past tense |
| 07:49.33 | Kitty | you know hebrew? |
| 07:50.14 | Leeds | somewhat... I was pretty fluent at one point |
| 07:50.30 | Leeds | that wasn't my translation, however - it was from an Israeli newspaper site |
| 07:51.18 | Leeds | I estimate that I've spent well over 18 months of my life in Israel, including almost a year in one stretch |
| 07:52.49 | Kitty | ah |
| 07:52.57 | morsing | Check it! |
| 07:53.00 | Kitty | closest I have been to the middle east is egypt |
| 07:54.15 | Leeds | never been to egypt, although I have seen it... I've been to Jordan and Lebanon, technically, and might have been to Syria according to international law, but not Israeli |
| 07:54.41 | Kitty | hehe |
| 07:54.51 | Kitty | We was diving from Sharm and hurghada |
| 07:55.51 | Leeds | I have to tell you: it's it's not its |
| 07:56.20 | Kitty | bah, dyslexia! |
| 07:56.22 | Leeds | your write about php, though |
| 07:56.30 | Kitty | and right about it |
| 07:56.32 | Kitty | surely |
| 07:56.38 | Kitty | you're right about php? |
| 07:57.03 | Leeds | uh, yes :-) |
| 07:57.16 | Leeds | and while, yes, you are using gcc - it would be more correct to say that you're using cpp |
| 07:57.44 | Kitty | yes |
| 07:57.56 | Kitty | gcc -E -P |
| 07:57.57 | Kitty | :p |
| 07:58.40 | Leeds | Huhn is right though - it is sick |
| 07:59.04 | Kitty | I want to replace it with a better system |
| 07:59.11 | Kitty | I just haven't found one suitable for the task |
| 07:59.25 | Leeds | I've been learning kid - a python/xml templating system |
| 08:00.43 | Leeds | I like python a lot, and I get along with xml, so it works for me |
| 08:01.25 | Kitty | scarily, what I want is probably going to be based around latex |
| 08:02.13 | Leeds | that is scary |
| 08:02.33 | morsing | That is nice |
| 08:03.10 | Kitty | as markup systems go , LaTeX is great |
| 08:03.55 | Leeds | yeah, it's not bad |
| 08:07.21 | Leeds | bloody Cantonese phone spam |
| 08:07.39 | morsing | Leeds: Cantonese phone spam is good for you! |
| 08:07.57 | Leeds | how so? |
| 08:08.04 | morsing | It keeps you annoyed |
| 08:08.11 | morsing | Breakfast time! |
| 08:08.12 | Leeds | (although apparently this call was about a medical service, so it could, in theory, be good for me) |
| 08:08.20 | Leeds | breakfast? at 4pm? |
| 08:08.25 | morsing | Yes |
| 08:12.36 | Kitty | hmm, I am hungry again |
| 08:12.38 | Kitty | when did I last eat |
| 08:13.01 | Kitty | almost 4 hours ago |
| 08:40.38 | *** join/#gllug z00dax (n=z00dax@kbsingh.plus.com) |
| 08:41.07 | Leeds | morning z00dax |
| 08:41.19 | Kitty | urgh, now I am sleepy |
| 08:41.26 | Kitty | I have to leave for work in just over 3 hours |
| 08:41.33 | Kitty | not enough time to try sleeping |
| 09:18.46 | Leeds | http://trac.turbogears.org/turbogears/ticket/338 :-) |
| 09:19.20 | Leeds | and for that matter: http://www.say-so.org/view/ulzub5q0 |
| 09:20.11 | Kitty | ? |
| 09:22.31 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 09:23.18 | Leeds | z00dax: you are back in the UK, I assume? |
| 09:23.21 | Leeds | Kitty: ? what? |
| 09:33.41 | Cope | morning |
| 09:33.46 | Cope | aha, z00dax |
| 09:33.49 | Cope | greetings |
| 09:33.52 | morsing | Cope! |
| 09:33.56 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 09:34.05 | morsing | Does floo still come here? |
| 09:34.11 | morsing | ~seen floo |
| 09:34.15 | ibot | floo <n=gary@host-84-9-82-138.bulldogdsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 4d 18h 39m 23s ago, saying: 'bonjour mes amis'. |
| 09:34.48 | Leeds | he doesn't tend to stick around |
| 09:35.34 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 09:35.42 | Kitty | morning |
| 09:35.50 | Leeds | and he's easily scared off :-) |
| 09:35.59 | morsing | So I've noticed :-D |
| 09:36.28 | Cope | he does appear, and say idiotic things, and then wonders why he gets flamed |
| 09:36.38 | *** join/#gllug IAmAI (i=hidden-u@83.222.114.3) |
| 09:36.58 | Leeds | Cope: speak of the devil :-) |
| 09:37.04 | Cope | Leeds: indeed!! |
| 09:37.23 | Leeds | now where's SlayerXP when you need him? |
| 09:37.38 | morsing | 4ibot IAmAI |
| 09:37.41 | morsing | ibot IAmAI |
| 09:37.51 | IAmAI | What are doing to me?! |
| 09:38.01 | morsing | Cope: Have you ever met him? |
| 09:38.04 | Cope | exploiting you |
| 09:38.13 | Cope | morsing: yeah, he's quite good company over a beer |
| 09:38.24 | IAmAI | ibot morsing |
| 09:38.25 | ibot | it has been said that morsing is a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. |
| 09:38.41 | Leeds | <html><body><p>IAmAI: nothing, don't worry about it</p></body></html> |
| 09:38.52 | IAmAI | OK... |
| 09:38.52 | Leeds | ibot mozrat |
| 09:38.54 | ibot | hmm... mozrat is a geek, or pissed, or not morsing ALIVE!!! |
| 09:39.12 | Cope | ibot cope |
| 09:39.13 | ibot | [cope] a twat, or prone to exaggeration and not a twat |
| 09:39.22 | Cope | nice |
| 09:39.27 | Kitty | ibot Kitty |
| 09:39.28 | ibot | somebody said kitty was the best kitty that soviet has |
| 09:39.34 | Kitty | wtf!? |
| 09:39.41 | Leeds | I suspect that's a different kitty |
| 09:39.42 | Leeds | ibot London |
| 09:39.44 | ibot | somebody said london was where the best LUG around is. |
| 09:39.58 | Cope | ibot laomao |
| 09:39.59 | ibot | [laomao] the artist formerly known as Mrs Cope, but no longer so :-( |
| 09:40.10 | Cope | ibot william |
| 09:40.12 | ibot | methinks william is the son of Cope... sadly unlikely ever to be seen again, in China. |
| 09:40.12 | Leeds | ibot creature |
| 09:40.38 | Cope | ibot creature is william |
| 09:40.40 | ibot | okay, Cope |
| 09:40.40 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:41.02 | Cope | he is very nice. |
| 09:41.04 | Leeds | is he well? |
| 09:41.54 | Cope | yeah :) |
| 09:42.51 | Leeds | good good |
| 09:43.37 | IAmAI | ibot ibot |
| 09:43.38 | ibot | ibot is probably a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 09:43.40 | morsing | Cope: Does he speak chinese? |
| 09:46.49 | Cope | morsing: not really; |
| 09:47.02 | Cope | but he'll pick it up quickly when he's in china |
| 09:49.18 | Leeds | Cope: have you seen z00dax |
| 09:50.23 | Cope | yes - indian fellow, bit taller than me, why? |
| 09:50.36 | Leeds | since I saw you last year? |
| 09:50.40 | Cope | lol |
| 09:50.41 | Leeds | (heh, last year) |
| 09:50.47 | Cope | no - he only got back yesterday |
| 09:50.48 | morsing | Funny |
| 09:50.52 | Cope | but i need to see him v.soon |
| 09:50.56 | Cope | since I have his gadget |
| 09:51.03 | Cope | and he has a thingy for me |
| 09:51.30 | Leeds | he has a thingy for you? |
| 09:54.27 | morsing | What thingy? |
| 09:54.38 | Cope | an indian flute |
| 09:54.44 | morsing | A morsing? |
| 09:56.59 | morsing | http://flamenco.art.pl/indiaframe.php?s=india04-13 |
| 09:57.17 | morsing | Not quite a flute though |
| 09:57.44 | Leeds | hometime... |
| 09:57.57 | morsing | BYE! |
| 09:58.19 | morsing | http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/new-dalek/new-series-dalek-side.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/new-doctor-who-series-new-daleks.html&h=500&w=469&sz=81&tbnid=CGXFEVtYze8J:&tbnh=127&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddalek%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=2 |
| 09:58.29 | Leeds | wait, that's an Indian instrument on a flamenco site in Poland, being recommended by a Dane to a Brit in Hong Kong on a channel housed in the UK on a US IRC network? |
| 09:58.57 | Cope | superb |
| 09:59.23 | Leeds | bye :-) |
| 10:20.01 | *** join/#gllug kbsingh (i=kbsingh@cure.hiihaa.org) |
| 10:20.04 | morsing | kbsingh! |
| 10:20.12 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 10:21.17 | kbsingh | did everyone have a good holiday season ? |
| 10:25.21 | morsing | Sort of |
| 10:27.22 | Cope | ok |
| 10:27.43 | Cope | kbsingh: what is your availability today? |
| 10:30.03 | kbsingh | Cope: @work mostly, its going to be a long day catching up with things |
| 10:30.41 | morsing | work sucks |
| 10:31.00 | Cope | kbsingh: did you manage to obtain an instrument? |
| 10:31.01 | kbsingh | morsing: much |
| 10:31.42 | kbsingh | Cope: did indeed :) |
| 10:47.25 | morsing | Mmm... cawfy |
| 10:50.24 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@ipvpn095206.netvigator.com) |
| 10:58.29 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:59.52 | Leeds | yes! |
| 11:00.37 | morsing | Check it! |
| 11:01.03 | Leeds | Cock it! |
| 11:04.24 | Kitty | lose it |
| 11:06.51 | Leeds | choose it? |
| 11:07.54 | murb | morsing: the queue? |
| 11:34.42 | Cope | kbsingh: right... and are you perlmongering? |
| 11:36.49 | morsing | F*** I forgot about that :-( |
| 11:39.10 | Cope | morsing: come to the pub! |
| 11:39.48 | morsing | Cope: I will |
| 11:39.57 | wethrin | I will too |
| 11:39.58 | morsing | I forgot to bring my whisky! |
| 11:39.58 | Cope | hoorah! |
| 11:40.02 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:40.23 | Cope | i will bring my colleague, Simon |
| 11:40.28 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 11:40.31 | wethrin | And Dave Stark? |
| 11:40.33 | Cope | he's a geek, but of windows persuasion |
| 11:40.36 | wethrin | hm |
| 11:40.38 | morsing | hm |
| 11:40.51 | Cope | dave... he's on nights |
| 11:40.53 | Cope | :( |
| 11:41.13 | wethrin | bah |
| 11:41.20 | wethrin | although... |
| 11:41.26 | wethrin | when does night-shift start for him? |
| 11:41.35 | Cope | 10 |
| 11:42.05 | wethrin | So he can come to the pub for a few hours |
| 11:42.06 | morsing | My right ear is blocked |
| 11:42.22 | Cope | yeah, that's a dangerous service |
| 11:42.28 | Cope | many known exploits |
| 11:42.38 | morsing | Is George coming tonight? |
| 11:42.45 | wethrin | No. George is anti-social |
| 11:42.49 | morsing | HA HA ha ha ha hah .... |
| 11:43.15 | morsing | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 5.383/5.383/5.383/0.000 ms, pipe 2 |
| 11:44.34 | Cope | wethrin: unlikely |
| 11:44.46 | Cope | he'll be tired, won't want to leave, and won't be able to drink. |
| 11:45.11 | wethrin | hrrm |
| 11:45.22 | wethrin | I'll give him a call, anyway. Haven't seen him for some time |
| 11:46.52 | morsing | Check it! |
| 11:47.13 | Cope | 8518 |
| 11:49.15 | morsing | Mmm... Dog. What's it's name again? |
| 11:57.07 | morsing | http://www.ricardo.ch/cgi-bin/auk?cmd=srch; |
| 11:57.22 | kbsingh | Cope: didnt even know about that - catching up with email now |
| 12:36.06 | Cope | Steve: Do you have any blank cds? |
| 12:37.14 | Cope | Duncan: Yes, in fact I have about 6 billion. I purchased them in bulk from ebay, with a mind to creating a solar reflector to melt cornwall, but it was insufficiently accurate, and merely burned my neighbour washing line. They complained. The police came round. Nasty business. |
| 12:49.54 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 12:50.46 | kbsingh | duncan needs help |
| 13:04.46 | morsing | 3 |
| 13:22.06 | morsing | Check it! |
| 13:46.23 | murb | pee cee woe |
| 13:47.09 | Cope | i obtained a graphics card |
| 13:57.13 | wethrin | foo |
| 14:02.50 | Cope | d |
| 14:03.38 | George | FAT GREEDY SHIT |
| 14:08.37 | George | I hate this waiting |
| 14:08.39 | George | boohoo |
| 14:11.41 | wethrin | go away, George |
| 14:12.18 | George | :'( |
| 14:13.07 | wethrin | You really need to learn some politeness |
| 14:13.12 | George | hehe |
| 14:13.18 | George | :P |
| 14:13.25 | wethrin | and then come to the pub :) |
| 14:13.30 | morsing | HA! |
| 14:13.32 | George | hellll no |
| 14:13.45 | George | my ipaq keyboard came today |
| 14:13.46 | George | woo. |
| 14:13.51 | *** join/#gllug JAV (n=JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:14.22 | wethrin | Aha. A morsing! |
| 14:14.48 | wethrin | morsing: Do you run an email system on emil? |
| 14:18.01 | George | wethrin: do you run on ethanol? |
| 14:19.01 | JAV | afternoon |
| 14:19.20 | wethrin | George: Yes |
| 14:19.29 | George | wethrin: you suck then |
| 14:19.36 | wethrin | shush |
| 14:19.37 | wethrin | hi JAV |
| 14:45.16 | morsing | wethrin: Yes - No, the Volvo runs on methanol |
| 14:45.57 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 14:46.11 | wethrin | Would you be willing to provide some backup mail services? |
| 14:46.18 | morsing | wethrin: Of course |
| 14:46.25 | wethrin | Wonderful! |
| 14:46.30 | morsing | wethrin: Not to you I hope? |
| 14:46.36 | wethrin | To me :) |
| 14:46.40 | morsing | Hades? |
| 14:46.54 | morsing | With is in the same rack, connected to the same switch? |
| 14:46.57 | wethrin | hades is my primary MX |
| 14:47.05 | morsing | s/with/which/ |
| 14:47.06 | wethrin | Yes, but if the machine goes down, rather than the network... |
| 14:47.18 | wethrin | I've got a 3rd MX which is off in another datacentre |
| 14:47.21 | morsing | Ok |
| 14:47.41 | wethrin | What time will you get to the pub? |
| 14:47.48 | morsing | 19:00 |
| 14:47.52 | wethrin | okay |
| 14:47.58 | morsing | You? |
| 14:48.14 | wethrin | I may stop by Kings Cross first, so around 6.30 |
| 14:48.28 | morsing | wethrin: What's your mail domain? |
| 14:48.48 | wethrin | eco.li, but there's a couple of others I run. Give me a sec |
| 14:50.56 | wethrin | morsing: Provided in privmsg |
| 14:51.26 | morsing | Thanks |
| 15:08.53 | morsing | wethrin: Think it's done now. Can we test it please? |
| 15:09.05 | morsing | Have you done the DNS part? |
| 15:11.58 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 15:11.59 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:16.07 | Leeds | wethrin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/04/mailbox_186k/ |
| 15:29.04 | Cope | indeed |
| 15:29.07 | Cope | i read that this morning |
| 15:32.43 | morsing | How is this relevant? |
| 15:33.35 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 15:34.15 | morsing | 5 |
| 15:35.36 | Leeds | 5? |
| 15:35.51 | Leeds | morsing: it is relevant to wethrin and myself |
| 15:42.19 | Cope | morsing: it is relevant to people with mailbox colo in SW6 |
| 15:43.00 | morsing | Leeds: Because you work there? |
| 15:43.08 | morsing | What's mailbox colo? |
| 15:44.01 | Leeds | brb |
| 15:44.59 | murb | morsing: it is machiens that are colocated in the offices of a company that was recently takenover by 186k because they are closing the london office and just continuning mailbox as another brand. |
| 15:45.11 | morsing | murb: Yes I read that |
| 15:45.29 | murb | that is why it is relivant. |
| 15:46.04 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 16:00.39 | George | "she had god inside her.. it's easier to deal with a tumour" |
| 16:01.32 | wethrin | Leeds: I'm not hosting in MAilbox |
| 16:01.47 | wethrin | morsing: I haven't done the DNS part. But let me check manually |
| 16:02.41 | wethrin | morsing: Well, it's accepted the mail |
| 16:03.14 | murb | is anyone left in mailbox? |
| 16:04.26 | wethrin | morsing: Seems to work. Thanks! |
| 16:04.34 | wethrin | Some people |
| 16:04.55 | Leeds | wethrin: I know you're not - we still are, just |
| 16:05.12 | wethrin | I thought you were moving to a managed server that's leftpondian |
| 16:05.30 | Leeds | we have - but we have residual mailboxicity to deal with |
| 16:09.05 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 16:09.30 | murb | Leeds: how much notice did they give you of their impending doooom? |
| 16:10.44 | Cope | http://www.iporn.wastednetwork.com/ |
| 16:10.48 | Cope | SFW |
| 16:10.54 | Leeds | they didn't, until we asked them about it |
| 16:11.31 | morsing | wethrin: You're welcome |
| 16:14.14 | morsing | Jan 5 16:02:22 emil postfix/policy-spf[31910]: Attribute: helo_name=me |
| 16:14.18 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 16:14.21 | wethrin | That was me |
| 16:15.28 | morsing | Yes, I thought I actually required a proper helo but I just noticed I just require any odd input |
| 16:15.28 | morsing | I might change that later... |
| 16:15.33 | wethrin | So it'll do a DNS lookup? |
| 16:16.11 | morsing | Well at least a reject_non_fqdn_hostname |
| 16:16.14 | morsing | Or something |
| 16:27.28 | George | morsing: I am not NAND nor NOR |
| 16:27.31 | George | so screw you |
| 16:30.50 | wethrin | George: Be polite to your elders |
| 16:30.59 | morsing | :-) |
| 16:31.03 | George | wethrin: flaming ethanolic death |
| 16:32.09 | wethrin | Mmm .Beer. |
| 16:32.25 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 16:32.30 | wethrin | Soon! |
| 16:32.36 | wethrin | In about 2 hours for me |
| 16:33.15 | George | lazy bugger |
| 16:33.38 | morsing | Mmm... Faye |
| 16:37.42 | wethrin | lazy? |
| 16:43.58 | Cope | what are people's estimated arrival times? |
| 16:46.21 | morsing | 19:00 |
| 16:46.38 | kbsingh | I'm gonna haveto miss this one - prolly end up @ work till late |
| 16:48.35 | morsing | kbsingh! Nooooooooooooo! |
| 16:49.33 | kbsingh | mooooooooo |
| 16:49.46 | George | haha you pub maniacs |
| 16:51.42 | morsing | I'm not going either |
| 16:54.03 | George | so is wethrin going on his own? |
| 16:54.36 | morsing | Yes |
| 16:56.37 | George | haha |
| 17:02.03 | morsing | Who can fix my websm? |
| 17:08.22 | morsing | Check it! |
| 17:10.40 | Cope | morsing: you're not going? |
| 17:10.43 | Cope | EVIL! |
| 17:11.08 | morsing | Not if kbsingh isn't! |
| 17:11.57 | morsing | http://www.becomeanisp.net/ |
| 17:19.49 | *** join/#gllug AngelChild (n=Catalyst@host86-138-71-160.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:20.15 | morsing | http://sport.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,10488,1404903,00.html?gusrc=rss |
| 17:20.17 | morsing | AngelChild! |
| 17:21.49 | *** join/#gllug IAmAI (i=hidden-u@83.222.114.3) |
| 17:23.16 | IAmAI | Anyone know what time people with be Grafton Arms? |
| 17:23.36 | AngelChild | O.o |
| 17:23.41 | AngelChild | I won't be there at all xD |
| 17:24.07 | IAmAI | If was to go in about 20 minutes, would there be people there already, or would I be too early, do you think? |
| 17:31.24 | kbsingh | I wont be there either |
| 17:38.48 | IAmAI | I hope someone's going to be there :P |
| 17:39.01 | AngelChild | you? :-) |
| 17:41.40 | Leeds | I can't make it |
| 17:43.49 | IAmAI | So who is going? |
| 17:43.59 | AngelChild | you? :-) |
| 17:44.21 | IAmAI | Well, yes, I will. |
| 17:44.43 | IAmAI | But I'll only stay if I can find any GLLUGers. |
| 17:55.42 | George | AngelChild: tard tard tard tard |
| 17:55.58 | AngelChild | why do you do that? |
| 17:57.05 | George | dunno |
| 17:57.05 | George | why not? |
| 17:57.23 | AngelChild | because it's not nice? |
| 17:58.35 | George | oh pish |
| 18:02.39 | Kitty | hey AngelChild |
| 18:02.57 | AngelChild | hi Kitty |
| 18:03.57 | Leeds | fast torrents++ |
| 18:06.27 | George | Leeds: slow internet-- |
| 18:23.03 | kbsingh | humm.... home time |
| 18:44.10 | *** join/#gllug TimMagic (n=tmlukejo@80-44-183-93.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 18:44.14 | TimMagic | yo all |
| 19:50.23 | George | sausages. |
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| 23:47.33 | Leeds | foo |
