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01:32.29gregjwhich one is
01:33.04gregjgood in eng: "blah contains 21 lines" or "blah is contained of 21 lines" ?
01:34.58stephenthe first one
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05:43.21Leedsmorning AngelChild
05:43.29AngelChildmorning Leeds :)
05:43.49LeedsI'm about to go out for some Saturday shopping...
05:44.10Leedsheh... I just put "tidy flat" on my to-do list for before I leave on Thursday
05:44.58Leedsand this morning, I've got python->xmlrpc->xmlrpc->java->jython->java->jdbc->odbc->access working :-)
05:45.44Leedswell, almost... there are two different working things, but since once ends in jython and the other starts there, tying them together shouldn't be hard
05:46.59Leedsseeya later
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08:26.30Leeds-Treoibot change 2480 hkd to gbp
08:27.12Leeds-Treomozrat: ping?
08:31.05Leeds-Treomozrat: that's the sort of price a new unlocked 6230 is going for,  in places which don't laugh at me for wanting such an old phone...
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09:20.02Leeds-Treomozrat: re-ping?
09:21.08Leeds-Treoand, well, good morning to any/everyone else who might be around
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09:48.21morsingHello?
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11:49.16Leeds-Treowell, the WTO protests finally had an effect: caused the worst traffic I've ever seen in HK
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11:52.54morsingskugg!
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12:18.00morsingErwin!
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13:44.45morsingkbsingh!
13:45.23Georgemoo
13:56.55z00daxmorsing!
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14:08.11hurryon...
14:09.14hurryonWho wants to buy Unix Network Programming, Vol. 1 ?
14:09.24murbnot me.
14:09.31hurryon^^
14:09.42murbnor anyone else here.
14:10.04hurryonI am going to leave this country, so I want to reduce my books.
14:10.18murbwhere are you going?
14:10.28hurryonto my country.
14:10.37hurryonKorea.
14:10.37murbyour own private one?
14:12.21hurryonUm...
14:15.18hurryonI arrived in London in April to study English, but now I feel I didn't earn as well as I had expected.
14:15.58hurryonEspecially, Speaking is difficult for me.
14:16.04hurryonHhhhuu....
14:20.50murbso you will leave already?
14:20.52highburyhow quickly do you need to sell your books hurryon
14:21.38highburyeither put a book list on the gllug mailing list, or I've heard some people have been quite successful selling their old books on amazon.co.uk
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14:55.31morsingTron_!
15:04.09hurryonNo, I am still in London.
15:04.23hurryonNext week I am going to travel and then go back to Korea.
15:04.32hurryonSo, I want to sell books.
15:05.49hurryonAlthough I bought the book this year earlier, I didn't see. I was busy to study English, so I couldn't study about programming.
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15:37.31hurryon...
15:37.32hurryon..
15:37.33hurryon.
15:40.59Leeds?
15:41.34Leedsthat's not humous!
15:43.51hurryon...
15:47.16Leedsit's made from white beans, not chick peas
16:04.10morsingLeeds ... Kjhun
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16:14.47Leedsmorsing: what?
16:32.33morsingLeeds: kasefdjk disdf dkj eiefsdv
16:36.43morsinghttp://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/uploads/kbannon/Bush-quote.jpg
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16:51.47morsingAngelChild!
16:51.52AngelChildmorsing!
17:12.28Leedshttp://curbside.jmsc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=1
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17:37.34GeorgeMOO
18:52.49morsingCope: What are you puzzling?
18:54.00Copeah, why for some reason I was getting an ssl certificate error when browsing a site
18:54.38murbwho cares about ssl certificate errors?
18:54.43Copeit appears, and I didn't know this, that the mod_ssl config in /etc/https/conf.d/ssl.conf over-rides the secure virtual hosts I had specified in the apache config.
18:54.52murbor do you have such a great trust for verislime etc.
18:55.42Copemurb: well, it looks a bit shit if you're an online finance company and someone browses to https://bank-of-cope.com to get an error saying: "duh, this ssl cert is for localhost.localdomain"
18:56.11murbusers get such errors so oftern that they just ignore them.
18:56.13Copebecause the config was pointing to the tinpot random ssl cert  that was installed with the package
18:56.41GeorgeCope: bank-of-cope?
18:56.47CopeGeorge: silly.example.com
18:56.48GeorgeCope: dude. will you GIVE me £100,000?
18:57.09Copeaha! dins!
18:57.13morsingCan someone verify that rhowe has a new phone number ending in 4016? It's been texting me...
18:57.17George;; QUESTION SECTION:
18:57.17George;silly.example.com.             IN      A
19:46.53Cope(many happy)
19:52.55murbCope: i quite liked the default snailoil ca
20:15.09GeorgeCope: so did you go today?
20:26.07highburyhi folks
20:30.30GeorgeCope: slacker.
20:32.21Georgeliar
20:32.42Georgea really old friend left a comment on my blog today
20:32.46GeorgeI didn't know he read my blog
20:34.20Copehow old is he? 90?
20:34.38Georgeha. ha. ha
20:34.48Georgeactually he's a third year PPE student at Oxford
20:35.23Georgeer, 2nd year
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20:52.48Copez00dax: hrm, is there a system-config-netboot-tui or -cmd?
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20:58.39boudiccasi run an eggdop bot called 'iceni', so where would i find the iceni.pid please?
20:59.18Cope/var/run ?
21:00.18boudiccasCope; nope, not there :(
21:00.37Copeps? lsof?
21:00.53murbCope: it wouldn't normally be open would it?
21:01.06boudiccasthe system just crashed
21:01.07murbfind
21:01.15CopeI don't know how it works.
21:06.04z00daxCope, nope - the s-c-netboot is a gui only tool
21:06.18z00daxummm eggdrop's remind me of effnet in the mid 90's
21:06.52boudiccasam just doing 'updatedb' and will then try doing locate
21:06.54Copez00dax: arse!
21:13.17CopeRH++
21:18.02GeorgeRH--
21:18.19CopeOkay... on what basis?
21:18.24Georgethey use GNOME.
21:18.37Georgethey cripple kde
21:18.54Copelol - ok; that's not a particularly impressive answer, but it is at least an answer.
21:19.02GeorgeI HATE YOU
21:19.18boudiccasGeorge; kde 3.5.1 works well on my centos 4.2 machine :)
21:19.29boudiccasfrom kde-redhat
21:19.31George3.5.1 was released?
21:19.51Copei don't think 'using gnome' is a particularly good piece of evidence for a distro being worthy of --
21:19.56boudiccasits in kde-redhat stable repo
21:21.12GeorgeCope sucks
21:21.19Cope:(
21:21.28Copeibot no Cope sucks.
21:22.04Copeoh well
21:22.08Georgeharhar
21:38.23z00daxan economy class, return ticket from london to sydney, over the easter holidays is going to cost me £1789
21:38.40z00daxs/economy class/cattle class/
21:39.31z00daxmaybe I should consider moving into the Travel industry, the money there seems much better than the IT sector
21:44.48Copemaybe you should just stay in london
21:45.13z00daxfor that kinda travel costs ? yeah, I'd go visit West Croyden instead :)
21:45.20highburyHomechoice (my isp) are really moving with the times, they're going to enforce a 15MB (sic) limit on email accounts!
21:45.57Copez00dax: I 'forgot' to install X on ( that <--- ) centos box; what's the best way to get it installed? Can I just do yum install $something_requiring_x ? or is there a container package? or what...
21:46.24z00daxCope, yum grouplist; yum groupinstall "<somegroup>"
21:48.27z00daxyum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment"
21:48.35z00daxthat should bring in everthing you need to get functional
21:49.13Copenifty
21:49.40z00daxcould you install vnc-server and use that from a machine closeby ? might save on pkgs required to download + install
21:50.09Copenah not easily
21:50.22Copethat machine really needs to be a workstation
21:50.28Cope(for now)
21:53.07z00daxbtw, got my AMD64x2 4800+ Laptop yesterday
21:53.32z00daxand yes, it weighs a ton
21:53.46quinophexdid it come with its own power station?
21:54.25z00daxquinophex, its got a 19v 1.5Amp charger...
21:58.20quinophexhow much was it?
21:58.22quinophexsounds nice
21:58.32quinophexin a heavy power consuming kind of way
21:59.02z00daxcouple of thngs about it are irritating, the \ is next to the / on the keyboard - down the right side
21:59.21z00daxwhich has kind of driven me up the wall
22:01.50z00daxeverything included, its cost me a bit under £2k
22:03.21Georgez00dax: I'm demanding photos
22:03.37Georgez00dax: 19V, 1.5A? That's only about 45W
22:03.44z00daxcool, i'll take some on monday
22:03.47Georgeor rather, 50W
22:04.14Georgez00dax: what make/model?
22:04.22Georgeand I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CHOSE THAT OVER A THINKPAD
22:04.31CopeTMI!
22:04.40z00daxlemme check
22:04.41GeorgeCope: with a gun you sick bastard.
22:05.32GeorgeI need. a. SAUSAGE
22:05.39z00daxi got the input power and the output voltage. its a 19v 4.74amp output and a 100- 240v 1.9a input
22:05.52Georgeok
22:05.58Georgethat's more like it
22:06.05George90W power supply
22:06.30Georgemine's about 70W
22:06.32George(thinkpad)
22:06.41z00daxGeorge, thinkpad made no sense
22:06.52z00daxit was equally expensive, with about half the capability
22:07.12Georgeit's reliable damnit
22:07.23z00daxI have insurance on this thing...
22:07.44quinophexnew thinkpads are done by lenovo (or whatever they are called)
22:07.53quinophexso i'd want to wait a bit to see if they are as good as IBM thinkpads
22:08.02Georgequinophex: the design is still IBM
22:08.10Georgequinophex: and they were always made by Lenovo anyway
22:08.18z00daxquinophex, to be fair, i've heard good things about the TP z60's - specially the ones with a brighter display - are those the titanium ones |
22:08.19Georgeonly the new Z60 series is Lenovo
22:08.32z00daxthe /\ strikes again... that should have been a ?
22:08.53quinophexGeorge: i was under the impression that the design facility was sold to lenovo also
22:09.08quinophexz00dax: yeah, but it takes a year or two to find out how good laptops are tbh
22:09.17Georgequinophex: the thinkpads currently in production were originally designed by IBM.
22:09.34quinophexyeah, and if lenovo decide to go cheap on components they will not be as good
22:09.47Georgemy T43p is EXACTLY the same design as my father's T42p
22:10.20quinophexwell, yes obviously
22:10.22z00daxyeah, but i got to assemble my laptop :)
22:10.27quinophexheh
22:10.29GeorgeASSEMBLE?
22:10.39quinophexz00dax: see, not supporting cheap child labour, good on you ;)
22:10.52z00daxyea, i only got the shell from taiwan, the hdd's and ram are bought locally - hdd's off seagate and ram off crucial
22:10.55quinophexGeorge: looks like the Capslock key has gone faulty on your thinkpad
22:11.04z00daxnot that qualifies as assemble... but still...
22:11.06quinophex;)
22:11.14Georgequinophex: you suck.
22:11.33Georgez00dax: you. are. a. very. strange. person.
22:11.37quinophexi do?
22:11.57quinophexCope: good point
22:12.17Georgewtf?
22:12.27CopeGeorge: you're that far in the closet :-P
22:12.34quinophexbtw George i purchased a Dell laptop when i needed a machine...
22:12.48GeorgeCope: it's a WARDROBE YOU FUCKTARD
22:12.58z00daxthe dell 9300's with the 17 display are nice
22:13.08Copesee, know he's being obessive about me being fucked, hard.
22:13.17Georgez00dax: they are not nice. they are horrible.
22:13.46boudiccasGeorge; why do you swear so much?
22:14.05boudiccasits not gentlemanly
22:14.24z00daxmy last laptop was a thinkpad, a G40, it disintegrated on me
22:14.32boudiccasyou give the impression of being rude and uncouth
22:15.13GeorgeI am rude and uncouth
22:15.27quinophexi got the impression that George was sobbing in the corner hugging his thinkpad while whispering things like "i love you more than those other abominations, i really do"
22:15.32boudiccasa laddish lout by your own admission
22:15.46Georgequinophex: nah, I like my desktop more
22:20.25z00daxanyone got around to trying the bcm4318 drivers recently announced ?
22:20.53Georgenope.
22:21.01Georgemy powerbook is no longer in use.
22:21.56z00daxI have one of those chips in here, so its either ndiswrapper or that bcm driver, but that driver seems to want >=2.6.15 kernel :(
22:22.17Copez00dax: arsing poo; any way to run the X auto-config thing? X -configure hasn't done the trick
22:22.59z00daxsystem-config-display --noui --reconfig
22:23.10z00daxor just --reconfig
22:24.18Copeyeah baby
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22:32.23Copehrm
22:32.52Copewhy isn't ethereal seeing any traffic at all? the machine is on the network, and the interface set to promiscuous mode
22:39.42Georgebecause it's a sausage
22:39.47Georgeand sausages don't understand TCP/IP
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23:22.50highburyGeorge: how long a warranty did you take out on your thinkpad?
23:26.30Georgeit's got a 3 year one
23:26.35GeorgeI think
23:34.50highburyI've just sent mine back under warrantee, so three years is good. I'm just hoping to get mine back before christmas. I broke one of the touchpad buttons, so the right mouse button was effectively down all the time.
23:35.34highburyI had to take mine a TNT delivery collection point, not as convenient as have them collect it :-(
23:35.51highburybut apparently they'll deliver it back to me personally

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