| 00:00.59 | Leeds | so, I managed to win the business card draw last night... |
| 00:01.13 | wethrin | yay? |
| 00:01.56 | Leeds | yay! |
| 00:02.35 | Leeds | 2 tickets for a junk harbour cruise evening thing of my choice |
| 00:03.07 | wethrin | yay! |
| 00:03.32 | Leeds | just got to find someone to take now :-) |
| 00:04.00 | wethrin | A hot date! :) |
| 00:04.27 | Leeds | indeed |
| 00:06.08 | Leeds | www.saffron-cruises.com |
| 00:08.41 | George | Leeds: take me take me take me |
| 00:18.15 | Leeds | George: that's really not going to happen |
| 00:18.21 | George | hehe |
| 00:20.31 | wethrin | George loses |
| 00:21.00 | George | lol |
| 00:21.10 | Leeds | hmm... you have to give Virgin Radio credit... they stream in MP3 (2 bitrates), they stream in Ogg Vorbis (2 bitrates) and they streamed over IPv6 until someone burned down the lab at soton.ac.uk they were streaming through |
| 00:21.43 | Leeds | oh, and they apologise for the one stream which is only available in wma |
| 00:22.45 | Leeds | and they recommend xmms for Linux - may or may not be the best choice, but at least they're trying |
| 00:32.22 | George | sucks to be soton |
| 00:35.42 | Erwin | When you fill out a Direct Debit request, do you put in the branch's address or the main bank address, or does it make no difference? |
| 00:41.26 | Leeds | your branch, normally |
| 00:43.49 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 00:52.16 | Leeds | time to go to work |
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| 08:11.57 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:23.47 | Leeds | morning |
| 08:31.46 | mozrat | morning |
| 08:40.03 | George | moo |
| 08:40.05 | George | ello people |
| 08:40.14 | mozrat | George!!! |
| 08:40.18 | Leeds | morning George |
| 08:40.21 | Leeds | and mozrat |
| 08:41.04 | George | hey mozrat |
| 08:42.08 | Leeds | http://friendsdisenchanted.blogspot.com/2005/12/alphabet-soup-italian-friend-spotted.html |
| 08:43.01 | George | I love my K&R book |
| 08:43.32 | Leeds | George: are you doing one which generates unique solutions? |
| 08:43.45 | mozrat | lol -- new way to do online shopping >> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/stupid_users/sct024.html |
| 08:44.19 | George | Leeds: one which generates random grids |
| 08:44.45 | Leeds | as I said - does it generate grids with unique solutions |
| 08:45.35 | Leeds | it's significantly harder to do that - intelligently - than to generate valid grids with multiple solutions |
| 08:45.52 | mozrat | sudoku can only have *one* solution |
| 08:46.28 | Leeds | exactly my point - but most of the free (Free) generators I've seen will happily give you a grid with multiple solutions - which are therefore not true games |
| 08:47.00 | mozrat | Sky did a huge chalk sudoku puzzle on the side of a hill last year |
| 08:47.21 | mozrat | with multiple solutions |
| 08:47.48 | mozrat | Leeds - did you discover any more about the Florian Mueller thing? |
| 08:47.53 | George | it's not blanking out anything |
| 08:47.55 | Leeds | mozrat: nope |
| 08:48.09 | George | it's just trying to generate a number square with the numbers in the right place |
| 08:49.26 | Leeds | okay, so here's my current #python challenge - pseudo-code answers are fine in here... |
| 08:49.28 | Leeds | given a list of strings (e.g. ["Fish", "Frog", "Dog Man", "Foo Bar", "Foo Baz", "Spam"]) I want to reduce elements with repeated first words down to one element with just that word: ["Fish", "Frog", "Dog Man", "Foo", "Spam"] |
| 08:50.12 | Leeds | this is a real problem I am currently trying to solve - without brute-forcing it - which sounds scarily like a piece of comp sci homework :-) |
| 08:51.19 | George | erm |
| 08:51.56 | Leeds | as it happens, the list is currently a grand total of 16 elements long and unlikely to grow much further, so brute-forcing isn't exactly a big deal... but it's an interesting problem anyway |
| 08:52.53 | lanky_ | Leeds: no matter how many words are in each list item? |
| 08:52.54 | George | bubble sort it then iterate through the list keeping track of how many times the first word appears. If n = 1, stick that item straight into the second array. if n>1, stick only the first word in the array? |
| 08:53.15 | George | that's probably sodding inefficient :) |
| 08:53.20 | lanky_ | oos, just reread the problem. |
| 08:53.21 | Leeds | it's sorted |
| 08:53.35 | George | anyway, must dash to chemistry |
| 08:53.36 | George | bye |
| 08:53.39 | Leeds | bye |
| 09:04.49 | lanky_ | Leeds: does this mean you already have the answer? |
| 09:07.42 | Leeds | well, I have an answer - but I meant that the list was already sorted |
| 09:08.02 | lanky_ | anything like this? |
| 09:08.05 | lanky_ | #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 09:08.10 | lanky_ | import string |
| 09:08.13 | lanky_ | newlist = [] |
| 09:08.17 | lanky_ | mylist = ["Fish", "Frog", "Dog Man", "Foo Bar", "Foo Baz", "Spam"] |
| 09:08.21 | lanky_ | for item in mylist: |
| 09:08.22 | lanky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.22 | lanky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.22 | lanky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.22 | lanky_ | print "non-repeated first words are %s" %(newlist) |
| 09:08.44 | Leeds | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kgLx0F67.html |
| 09:09.12 | Leeds | that's the naive solution and it's no good - it reduces "Dog Man" to "Dog" |
| 09:09.29 | Leeds | and rather than "if not in list: append" you should just use a set nowadays |
| 09:10.34 | Leeds | also, item.split()[0] rather than string.split(item,' ')[0] |
| 09:10.34 | lanky_ | ah yes |
| 09:10.38 | lanky_ | oops |
| 09:10.49 | Leeds | I'm on 2.4 ;-) |
| 09:10.57 | lanky_ | fair enough, I'm just messing here... :) |
| 09:12.29 | Leeds | in fact, you can do the naive solution with a one-line list comprehension: |
| 09:12.33 | morsing | When's the Doom screening? |
| 09:12.53 | Leeds | newlist=set([x.split()[0] for x in mylist]) |
| 09:13.11 | lanky_ | ah, haven't tried that before |
| 09:13.56 | Leeds | list comprehension is very cool - generators are even cooler, but there's no point if you want to wrap the thing in a set anyway |
| 09:14.44 | lanky_ | looks like more fun every day |
| 09:15.24 | morsing | Hello? |
| 09:16.23 | morsing | When's the Doom screening? |
| 09:17.05 | Leeds | hmm... when did scoot stop doing cinema listings? |
| 09:18.24 | Leeds | http://www.spinellis.gr/blog/20051205/ |
| 09:24.39 | Leeds | interesting new form of spam: http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/thread6601.html |
| 09:32.37 | mozrat | You think? |
| 09:34.14 | Leeds | well, referrer spam |
| 09:34.48 | Leeds | if he was just interested in promoting the browser, he'd point to getfirefox, spreadfirefox, mozilla.com, etc. - rather than going via a google link which nets him $1 (IIRC) per download |
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| 10:02.47 | morsing | Leeds: Are you happy? |
| 10:05.43 | Leeds | morsing: you what? |
| 10:07.36 | Leeds | reasonably, except that I fancied a quiet night in, but my uncle is in town... |
| 10:08.06 | Leeds | so now I'm off |
| 10:28.57 | morsing | Bye Leedws |
| 10:29.00 | morsing | Check it! |
| 10:41.01 | wethrin | hello |
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| 11:01.17 | mozrat | hello boudiccas quinophex kbsingh |
| 11:03.03 | kbsingh | hi mozrat |
| 11:10.07 | boudiccas | morning mozrat |
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| 11:27.46 | SlayerXP | i updated the commerical posting policy to be the actual commercial posting policy, rather than the one I guessed would be right and turned out to be utterly wrong. |
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| 11:33.56 | julietd | moin :) |
| 11:34.01 | mozrat | hello! |
| 11:34.49 | julietd | after bein in L. for a month recalled LUgs :) |
| 11:35.12 | julietd | greetz from Cracow LUG ;) |
| 11:35.28 | mozrat | hello from Sunny Tropical London |
| 11:35.37 | julietd | lol |
| 11:35.47 | wethrin | Hm. More Poles :) |
| 11:35.51 | mozrat | We have a few guests here from .pl |
| 11:35.59 | mozrat | ping gregj ufo_ |
| 11:36.04 | julietd | must admit it doesn't rain as much as i thought |
| 11:36.17 | julietd | wethrin: more? :> |
| 11:36.28 | julietd | ah, see |
| 11:36.35 | wethrin | julietd: Yes. gregj, ufo, pawel (sometimes) |
| 11:37.25 | julietd | felt a bit more comfy :) |
| 11:37.49 | wethrin | So if you're in the Krakow LUG, do you know gregj? :) |
| 11:39.41 | julietd | actually i've been hangin around with those guys for only a year :) |
| 11:40.11 | julietd | many of "old staff" disappeared |
| 11:41.13 | julietd | though have some suspicions about gregj ;> |
| 11:41.37 | wethrin | He only moved back about 1.5 years ago :) |
| 11:41.55 | SlayerXP | julietd: greetings from Sunny Troipcal Norway |
| 11:42.22 | julietd | SlayerXP++ ;) (love Norway) |
| 11:43.04 | SlayerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/vegmocam/latest.jpg |
| 11:44.06 | julietd | hey, where's rest of the snowman? :> |
| 11:44.20 | SlayerXP | there's a 60% tax on snowman in norway |
| 11:45.03 | SlayerXP | right |
| 11:45.09 | SlayerXP | shopping - back in an hour or two |
| 11:45.52 | julietd | good luck :D |
| 11:45.58 | rhowe | o.O |
| 11:46.04 | rhowe | Someone ported Hibernate to .NET |
| 11:46.07 | rhowe | nhibernate.org |
| 11:55.35 | Cope | hello |
| 11:55.43 | Cope | ibot seen george |
| 11:55.46 | ibot | george is currently on #kde (4d 19h 58m 38s) #zaurus (4d 19h 58m 38s) #gllug (4d 19h 58m 38s) #openzaurus (4d 19h 58m 38s) #opie (4d 19h 58m 38s) #handhelds.org (4d 19h 58m 38s) #elinux (4d 19h 58m 38s) #intimate (4d 19h 58m 38s). Has said a total of 289 messages. Is idling for 3h 2m 10s |
| 11:55.51 | Cope | lol |
| 11:56.10 | wethrin | George? intimate? :) |
| 11:56.40 | Cope | indeed |
| 11:56.42 | Cope | ibot seen cope |
| 11:56.44 | ibot | cope is currently on #debian #gllug. Has said a total of 146 messages. Is idling for 2s |
| 11:57.07 | wethrin | idling? Lazy fiend! |
| 11:58.03 | Cope | dull, dull, desperately dull |
| 11:59.36 | wethrin | /bin is for statically linked binaries essential to the running of the system (oh, wait, maybe not) |
| 12:03.41 | Erwin | The same argument applies to statically linked files: what happens if the libraries have a security hole, and you have a static copy of libfoo all over the place? |
| 12:04.33 | wethrin | That's not entirely the same argument |
| 12:04.41 | wethrin | The libraries will still work, even with a security hole |
| 12:04.53 | wethrin | Knock out chunks of glibc, and you're entirely fucked |
| 12:05.11 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:06.54 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 12:07.59 | rhowe | Cope: hey |
| 12:08.25 | Erwin | That's what I keep a statically linked busybox around for |
| 12:08.26 | rhowe | Cope: If I want to shify (copy, preferably) files from one drive (and therefore filesystem) to another in Windows, do you know of a way to do it which preserves the date information? |
| 12:08.50 | rhowe | s/shify/shift/ |
| 12:08.56 | wethrin | Yarr, but the traditional Unix filesystem indicated that things under / should be statically linked |
| 12:10.00 | rhowe | wethrin: I guess there's almost an argument for things under / to be maintenance tools only, and for the 'user' versions to be under /usr |
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| 12:10.14 | rhowe | wethrin: i.e. have busybox 'mv' et al under /bin and GNU tools under /usr |
| 12:10.28 | rhowe | wethrin: Be fun when you accidentally call the wrong one, though :) |
| 12:10.51 | wethrin | True :) |
| 12:14.13 | Erwin | rhowe: install cygwin, cp -a :-) |
| 12:14.32 | wethrin | That may not necessarily preserve creation time :) |
| 12:16.49 | rhowe | Erwin: I am tempted |
| 12:17.22 | Erwin | or figure out arguments for XCOPY.EXE :) |
| 12:18.54 | rhowe | tried all the ones I can find |
| 12:19.09 | rhowe | I can copy SACLs and DACLs, but seemingly not date info |
| 12:25.00 | mozrat | rhowe: look at robocopy |
| 12:25.11 | mozrat | I think that preserves date information |
| 12:26.15 | rhowe | mozrat: ta |
| 12:28.10 | rhowe | mozrat: Looks like that claims to do what I want, thanks |
| 12:28.33 | mozrat | np - it's a nice utility... sort of rsync for synchronising data |
| 12:29.30 | rhowe | yeah |
| 12:29.38 | George | wethrin: intimate.handhelds.org |
| 12:29.43 | George | Cope: pong |
| 12:30.53 | wethrin | Suuuure :) |
| 12:31.31 | George | wethrin: ? |
| 12:31.37 | George | wethrin: it's how I chat to Jim Conner |
| 12:31.44 | George | who is my employer/friend :) |
| 12:31.49 | wethrin | you're intimate with Jim? :) |
| 12:31.57 | George | nah |
| 12:36.25 | George | harhar |
| 12:36.27 | George | where are you now? |
| 12:36.31 | wethrin | Durham |
| 12:36.50 | George | is durham not home for you? |
| 12:36.53 | wethrin | Coming home next Thursday evening (proper class++), going to Germany on Friday; back on Tuesday |
| 12:36.57 | wethrin | It's not parental-home |
| 12:37.29 | George | why are you going to KDEland? |
| 12:37.43 | wethrin | There's a mini-LBW happening in Köln |
| 12:37.55 | George | you're odd |
| 12:38.15 | wethrin | why? |
| 12:38.20 | wethrin | Because I go to fun places? |
| 12:38.24 | George | you think with your liver |
| 12:38.42 | wethrin | So? Booze is good |
| 12:38.50 | George | no it isn't |
| 12:38.53 | wethrin | It is |
| 12:38.56 | wethrin | Tasty tasty beer |
| 12:38.58 | George | is not |
| 12:39.01 | wethrin | 'tis |
| 12:39.05 | George | tisn't |
| 12:39.20 | wethrin | If it's not, then why do many people enjoy it? |
| 12:39.40 | George | many people enjoy smoking |
| 12:40.20 | George | and even more people enjoy doing all sorts of stupid things |
| 12:40.27 | George | speeding in cars comes to mind |
| 12:40.33 | George | stop appealing to popularity |
| 12:40.37 | wethrin | Going fast can be fun! :) |
| 12:40.54 | George | ... |
| 12:41.02 | wethrin | Free-lunch time! |
| 12:41.06 | George | hrmm. |
| 12:41.07 | George | I hate you., |
| 12:58.07 | rhowe | mozrat: However, robocopy is part of the win2k resource kit, which we don't appear to have (it's not on the win2k CDs, s'far as I can tell) |
| 12:59.40 | wethrin | Mmm. Free food |
| 13:15.15 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 13:15.38 | morsing | Any food for me? |
| 13:15.48 | wethrin | No. It's ALL OURS! :) |
| 13:15.54 | morsing | :-( |
| 13:15.57 | morsing | beer? |
| 13:17.01 | morsing | wethrin: ? |
| 13:17.09 | morsing | What are you up to at the moment? |
| 13:18.02 | morsing | George: Beer is actually good for you |
| 13:18.12 | morsing | Better than apples anyway |
| 13:18.19 | wethrin | Um. Pondering going to get a pint of water, and then doing some data processing |
| 13:18.29 | morsing | Processing what? |
| 13:19.03 | wethrin | I have some raw data, and I want to put it in graphs and generate some straight-line plots |
| 13:20.45 | morsing | wethrin: I can plot some straight lines for you |
| 13:20.53 | wethrin | Yay |
| 13:21.03 | morsing | Now where did I put Net::Server?! |
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| 13:29.08 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 13:30.00 | kbsingh | morsing! |
| 13:35.17 | mozrat | rhowe: it will be available from microsoft.com |
| 13:36.53 | rhowe | mozrat: It's not on the tools download page for the win2k resource kit |
| 13:37.08 | rhowe | mozrat: I'm using ntbackup now.. hopefully that'll restore everything |
| 13:41.11 | SlayerXP | fg |
| 13:42.15 | SlayerXP | skill -9 wetgrin |
| 13:42.18 | SlayerXP | err |
| 13:42.21 | SlayerXP | skill -9 wethrin |
| 13:42.22 | SlayerXP | even |
| 13:43.37 | mozrat | rhowe: it is on the W2003 res kit - would work on 2000 also |
| 13:47.36 | SlayerXP | ntbackup is horrid, but at least it's not backup exec |
| 13:48.39 | wethrin | That's Symantec, isn't it? |
| 13:48.53 | SlayerXP | i don't think so |
| 13:54.46 | mozrat | Veritas |
| 13:55.12 | mozrat | or is it Arcserve? |
| 13:55.46 | morsing | Bacula rules! |
| 13:56.11 | mozrat | Tivoli! |
| 13:56.24 | SlayerXP | cp! |
| 13:56.32 | mozrat | dd! |
| 13:56.49 | Cope | c3po |
| 13:56.56 | kbsingh | uucp anyone ? |
| 13:57.04 | morsing | dump |
| 13:57.07 | Cope | dump |
| 13:57.08 | Cope | bvah |
| 13:57.14 | mozrat | noooo - not dump :) |
| 13:57.43 | SlayerXP | i'm spending far too much time tweaking the faq |
| 13:58.31 | wethrin | cpio |
| 13:59.05 | Cope | bp |
| 13:59.10 | wethrin | shell |
| 13:59.15 | Cope | esso |
| 13:59.24 | wethrin | jet |
| 13:59.27 | Cope | murco! |
| 13:59.39 | wethrin | exxon! |
| 13:59.41 | Cope | q8 |
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| 13:59.59 | wethrin | Liverpool! |
| 14:00.09 | Leeds | Newcastle! |
| 14:00.11 | SlayerXP | i need a nicer way of including the revision though, rev 29 is the last time the xsl file was updated, the repo itself is at r38 or 39 |
| 14:00.15 | Cope | Brown Ale! |
| 14:00.33 | morsing | beer |
| 14:00.39 | morsing | Statoil |
| 14:00.42 | Cope | goggles |
| 14:00.47 | morsing | gcc-3.3.2.0.exe |
| 14:00.52 | wethrin | telnet |
| 14:00.52 | Cope | lol |
| 14:01.01 | morsing | 1232 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1231091ms |
| 14:01.14 | Cope | quotaon: using /local/aquota.group on /dev/hda6 [/local]: No such process |
| 14:01.14 | morsing | 1.2 million milliseconds? |
| 14:01.14 | Cope | quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
| 14:01.24 | morsing | Check it! |
| 14:01.34 | Cope | Mate it! |
| 14:03.05 | Leeds | F*ck it! |
| 14:03.21 | wethrin | ARSE |
| 14:04.02 | kbsingh | Smoke it? |
| 14:04.03 | wethrin | Leeds: Was it the 27th you mentioned as a meet-up date? |
| 14:04.33 | Leeds | 29th |
| 14:04.43 | wethrin | Thursday |
| 14:05.24 | Leeds | Thursday, right |
| 14:05.32 | wethrin | Decided where yet? |
| 14:06.31 | Leeds | no idea |
| 14:12.51 | mozrat | OK - have a look at dictionary.com's word of the day - does it remind you of anyone? http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2005/12/06.html |
| 14:13.45 | wethrin | Heh. Grandi? :) |
| 14:14.40 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:15.24 | wethrin | sounds prickly |
| 14:15.45 | mozrat | is a bit |
| 14:15.58 | mozrat | I have postfix reporting mails per minute through SNMP |
| 14:16.12 | mozrat | but having some problems getting Cacti to build a chart based on that info |
| 14:17.14 | wethrin | oh |
| 14:17.39 | Leeds | http://www.geocities.com/hkhemlock/rooster/diary-10dec05.html - scroll down to Tuesday |
| 14:19.38 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:21.55 | Leeds | oh, that reminds me... Was listening to Virgin streaming onto my phone (!) this afternoon, and heard an ad for Nivea face cream for men or something - the ad had the sound of a Speccie, loading from tape, some comments about Jet Set Willy, then something like "if this brings back memories of the old days [i.e. if you're old enough to remember this] try our face cream to get back the skin you had then" |
| 14:22.21 | wethrin | heh :) |
| 14:22.29 | wethrin | Would you like the skin of a 7-year-old? |
| 14:22.45 | mozrat | it wouldn't fit me anymore for a start |
| 14:23.05 | mozrat | I'd need 2 or 3 & year olds sewn together |
| 14:23.14 | Leeds | as I just wrote that, I was actually thinking - uh... acne? |
| 14:23.21 | mozrat | 2 or 3 , 7 year olds I mean |
| 14:23.28 | wethrin | Leeds: Complain to them :) |
| 14:23.37 | wethrin | Make it amusing, and they might send you a free sample |
| 14:24.11 | Leeds | wethrin: are you suggesting I need (or use) face cream? |
| 14:25.38 | wethrin | No, but free samples are always good of anything |
| 14:25.44 | wethrin | Execept anthrax |
| 14:26.24 | morsing | Mmm... Anthrax |
| 14:26.38 | mozrat | Great band in their day |
| 14:28.34 | mozrat | oh! |
| 14:28.57 | mozrat | for future reference creating new graphs in Cacti is very easy - I was looking in the wrong place |
| 14:30.40 | stephen | cacti++ |
| 14:31.57 | SlayerXP | cacti is sort of okay |
| 14:32.29 | morsing | ibot cacti |
| 14:33.04 | morsing | mozrat cacti |
| 14:33.46 | mozrat | morsing: rumour has it cacti is sort of a mrtg graphing tool, and larger than a breadbox, and cleverer than George, and http://www.cacti.net |
| 14:40.24 | morsing | ibot anything is cleverer than George |
| 14:40.26 | ibot | ...but anything is already something else... |
| 14:40.31 | wethrin | ibot anything |
| 14:40.33 | ibot | from memory, anything is better than fat32 |
| 14:40.38 | morsing | Ha ha |
| 14:40.54 | Leeds | ibot time |
| 14:40.55 | ibot | 2005.12.06 14:40:55 GMT |
| 14:41.11 | wethrin | ibot date |
| 14:41.12 | ibot | It is now 2005.12.06 14:41:12 GMT |
| 14:41.29 | morsing | ibot everything is cleverer than George |
| 14:41.31 | ibot | morsing: okay |
| 14:41.35 | morsing | :-) |
| 14:41.47 | morsing | ibot space |
| 14:41.48 | ibot | from memory, space is a good place to bring a towel |
| 14:41.59 | Leeds | ibot space is also big, really big |
| 14:42.00 | ibot | Leeds: okay |
| 14:42.46 | morsing | ibot Hong Kong |
| 14:42.47 | ibot | well, hong kong is A city in Asia, it's current name is Hong Kong SAR for short, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of The People's Republic of China for _long_, former British Colony, it is handed back to China in 1st July 1997 and is _supposed_ to be independent from China. [see info.gov.hk] |
| 14:43.15 | morsing | ibot Richard Whiteley |
| 14:43.28 | morsing | ibot George Best |
| 14:44.05 | wethrin | ibot mother |
| 14:44.06 | ibot | mother are you my mother? |
| 14:44.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:44.13 | Leeds | ibot Richard Whiteley was twice nightly :-( |
| 14:49.29 | morsing | Is ibot's knowledge specific to #gllug? |
| 14:49.47 | morsing | Or is it a freenode wide thing? |
| 14:49.59 | wethrin | it's on any network he's on, I think |
| 14:50.01 | wethrin | ibot vax |
| 14:50.02 | ibot | vax is probably the legendary machine that the internet was built upon |
| 14:50.06 | wethrin | ibot pdp |
| 14:50.13 | wethrin | ibot france |
| 14:50.14 | ibot | somebody said france was the father of the skiff cluster, or a country in Europe |
| 14:51.52 | morsing | How quickly would you fall 400m and at what speed would you hit the ground? |
| 14:53.52 | morsing | Surely some of the university students can figure this one out? |
| 14:53.56 | morsing | George? |
| 14:56.09 | mozrat | I think 400m is enough to attain termainal velocity of 120 |
| 14:59.24 | wethrin | morsing: Depends - discounting terminal velocity and air resistance, it's easy to work out |
| 14:59.44 | JAV | 0 m/s when you hit the ground :P |
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| 15:02.53 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:03.03 | wethrin | It's not the falling that's the problem - it's the landing |
| 15:03.32 | George | moo |
| 15:04.06 | George | no one is cleverer than me. |
| 15:04.07 | George | moohahahhaa |
| 15:04.57 | George | morsing: dead easy if you model the falling object as a particle |
| 15:05.11 | George | just use v^2 = u^2 + 2as |
| 15:05.21 | George | where u = 0; s = 400; a = -9.81 |
| 15:05.22 | George | er. |
| 15:05.25 | George | s = -400 |
| 15:06.05 | wethrin | You will also need to solve for t |
| 15:06.29 | George | oh |
| 15:06.39 | George | I thought he wanted the velocity with which you hit the ground |
| 15:06.45 | wethrin | And how long it would take |
| 15:06.46 | George | try s = ut + 0.5at^2 then |
| 15:06.55 | wethrin | RTFQ :) |
| 15:07.22 | George | die |
| 15:07.37 | George | grid[0][((direction + 1) % 2) + 1][(row + 1) % 3][col] = digit; |
| 15:07.43 | George | isn't that lovely? |
| 15:07.57 | wethrin | Yeeeessssss |
| 15:08.15 | George | I love modular arithmetic |
| 15:09.31 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:09.33 | wethrin | What did you get? |
| 15:09.45 | George | did you get Linux Desktop Hacks? |
| 15:09.49 | George | because if not, you should have done. |
| 15:11.28 | wethrin | why? |
| 15:12.12 | George | because I've got a thingy in there |
| 15:12.13 | George | :) |
| 15:12.23 | JAV | George: I can read it in safari. :) |
| 15:13.04 | wethrin | Poo. From Friday, there will be no more Routemasters in London :( |
| 15:13.08 | JAV | wethrin: mainly literature |
| 15:13.11 | George | poo |
| 15:13.14 | George | is wethrin. |
| 15:14.05 | wethrin | shush |
| 15:18.11 | morsing | George: Thanks! You're a genious ;-) |
| 15:22.33 | morsing | Mmm... Lorraine |
| 15:22.43 | wethrin | ? |
| 15:23.41 | morsing | She works for the IT security team in Aintree (Liverpool) |
| 15:23.49 | morsing | Just got a mail from her |
| 15:23.59 | wethrin | you're getting a job there? |
| 15:24.03 | morsing | No |
| 15:24.08 | wethrin | oh |
| 15:24.13 | morsing | Well, if I could sit next to Lorraine... |
| 15:24.45 | wethrin | is she nice? |
| 15:26.26 | George | ? |
| 15:27.40 | morsing | wethrin: Yes |
| 15:27.46 | morsing | Gonzo: ? |
| 15:27.47 | wethrin | Good! |
| 15:27.52 | morsing | Gnnfff George ! |
| 15:45.48 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 15:45.53 | morsing | I didn't see you there |
| 15:46.10 | Leeds | where? |
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| 15:49.25 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 15:49.30 | morsing | Leeds: There |
| 15:51.41 | Leeds | oh yeah |
| 15:53.53 | Erwin | hi |
| 15:54.05 | SlayerXP | woohoo |
| 15:54.24 | SlayerXP | I've just worked out how to automatically include the svn version number in the text of the FAQ itself |
| 15:54.28 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I emailed the TV licensing folks last night - not heard back yet |
| 15:54.34 | Leeds | anyway, time for bed - g'night all |
| 16:00.24 | morsing | g'night Richard |
| 16:01.29 | Erwin | Argh, I wrote a script in July and now I can't find it anymore. |
| 16:07.37 | SlayerXP | it's over there |
| 16:11.23 | mozrat | hmm - why doesn't my sudo work? |
| 16:11.42 | mozrat | adminuser ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 16:11.58 | mozrat | in order for this chap to do whatever without the root password |
| 16:12.02 | mozrat | but - it doesn't work |
| 16:13.24 | SlayerXP | does adminuser exist? |
| 16:13.30 | mozrat | it does |
| 16:13.34 | SlayerXP | su - adminuser |
| 16:13.36 | SlayerXP | then sudo su - |
| 16:13.37 | mozrat | I logon as it to get to root anyway |
| 16:14.20 | mozrat | no, still doesn't work |
| 16:14.26 | mozrat | su - adminuser as root works |
| 16:14.29 | mozrat | but I can't get back |
| 16:15.14 | SlayerXP | so you type "sudo su -" and what happens? |
| 16:15.33 | mozrat | Asks for password - refuses the correct password and then logs to syslog |
| 16:15.57 | SlayerXP | that's normal |
| 16:16.03 | SlayerXP | type adminuser's password |
| 16:16.13 | mozrat | I was using that password :) |
| 16:16.30 | SlayerXP | add NOPASSWD to user sudo'ers line |
| 16:18.02 | mozrat | adminuser ALL=(ALL):NOPASSWD ALL |
| 16:18.05 | mozrat | let me try again |
| 16:18.11 | mozrat | ah |
| 16:18.15 | mozrat | syntax error |
| 16:18.30 | SlayerXP | ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 16:18.42 | mozrat | thanks |
| 16:19.14 | mozrat | that works |
| 16:19.21 | mozrat | I can sudo -s and get straight to root |
| 16:19.53 | SlayerXP | sudo's syntax is deeply ugly |
| 16:20.00 | mozrat | Mmm, |
| 16:20.15 | mozrat | so assuming I'm not a fuckwit and getting the password wrong - why didn't it work asking for the pw? |
| 16:21.06 | SlayerXP | dunno |
| 16:21.28 | mozrat | just removed my SSH key and logged on with the password and I had the right password |
| 16:22.18 | mozrat | strange |
| 16:34.39 | SlayerXP | did I mention I spent 4 hours todays adding 5 characters to the faq? :) |
| 16:39.13 | julietd | good for us :) |
| 16:39.55 | SlayerXP | and all because I wanted the svn version to reflect the repo a little bit more accurately |
| 16:40.50 | julietd | "a bit more accurately" can be painful [; |
| 16:41.16 | SlayerXP | the faq is built from several source files. |
| 16:41.29 | SlayerXP | the bit that gave the version was in a very infrequently editted file |
| 16:42.00 | SlayerXP | so that file was at, say r29, when the repo is actually at r39 |
| 16:45.07 | SlayerXP | i can tell you're all deeply impressed. |
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| 16:46.09 | mikejw | lo |
| 16:47.33 | SlayerXP | yo |
| 16:49.45 | mikejw | :) |
| 16:50.15 | mikejw | SlayerXP: how are the outlaws doing? |
| 16:50.28 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 16:50.44 | mikejw | sorry I think I'm thinking of someone else :S |
| 16:51.19 | SlayerXP | Martin A. Brooks, debian zealot and perl hacker, at your service. |
| 16:52.11 | mikejw | how do you do :) |
| 17:01.48 | SlayerXP | probably needs "anti-spam guru" in there somewhere, too :) |
| 17:02.16 | mikejw | coolio |
| 17:09.18 | wethrin | yo yo yo |
| 17:09.20 | mozrat | Debian Extremist? |
| 17:11.46 | SlayerXP | that badge is hard to get |
| 17:16.50 | mozrat | Debian Fundamentalist? |
| 17:17.21 | mozrat | All the mental, none of the fun! |
| 17:17.27 | SlayerXP | putting the "fun" and "mental" back into debian! |
| 17:17.33 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 17:20.05 | mikejw | wethrin: howdy |
| 17:20.19 | wethrin | www.mikeear.com |
| 17:20.25 | wethrin | (quite worksafe, and maybe even a good idea) |
| 17:22.59 | mikejw | hah based in Hove |
| 17:23.31 | mikejw | (my original neck of the woods) |
| 17:23.52 | wethrin | Well, fiends, They should cover the North-East |
| 17:24.26 | mikejw | :) |
| 17:24.40 | wethrin | And they don't |
| 17:24.46 | mikejw | not good |
| 17:24.50 | wethrin | No |
| 17:24.58 | wethrin | You coming to FOSDEM? |
| 17:25.15 | mikejw | oh blimey guv |
| 17:25.43 | mikejw | I kind of promised myself I would this time |
| 17:25.56 | wethrin | Good good |
| 17:26.24 | mikejw | I'm sure much fun will be had :) |
| 17:26.36 | wethrin | Much booze will be had |
| 17:26.46 | wethrin | Euro* is open for booking |
| 17:27.59 | mikejw | ah probably sensible to do so soonish |
| 17:28.10 | wethrin | £90 return if you're under-26 |
| 17:28.20 | wethrin | Not sure if they'll have some extra special offers |
| 17:29.28 | mikejw | sounds good |
| 17:29.41 | wethrin | I may save booking until the start of January |
| 17:29.55 | mikejw | cool |
| 17:30.11 | wethrin | There may be a special offer coming up,or there may not be |
| 17:30.19 | mikejw | right |
| 17:31.05 | wethrin | A group of us will probably book a Youth Hostel, if you want in on it. 15-17EUR/night; keep an eye out on Gllug Social |
| 17:33.13 | mikejw | cool that one comes into my main inbox |
| 17:33.30 | wethrin | Important things :) |
| 17:33.32 | mikejw | would it be a YHA hostel? |
| 17:34.08 | wethrin | Dunno. International Youth Hostelling thing |
| 17:34.11 | mikejw | ok |
| 17:34.22 | wethrin | In theory you should be a YHA member, but they don't care |
| 17:35.03 | mikejw | ok well I think I am anyway |
| 17:35.11 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:37.57 | wethrin | I have to cook some minced beef tonight. So.....should I make chilli or bolognese? |
| 17:38.15 | mikejw | ooh touch choice |
| 17:38.30 | mikejw | chillinese? |
| 17:38.50 | wethrin | Well.....the main difference being the addition of kidney beans or not :) |
| 17:38.56 | mikejw | ah |
| 17:38.57 | mikejw | lol |
| 17:38.59 | wethrin | And also whether I should make rice or spaghetti |
| 17:39.26 | wethrin | Well....what's in it, really? Onion, beef, chopped tomatoes, tomato paste - they're the same in both dishes |
| 17:40.01 | mikejw | yeah I guess so |
| 17:40.19 | mikejw | I'm a sort of vegetarian again nowadays :S |
| 17:40.28 | wethrin | That's very naughty of you |
| 17:40.48 | mikejw | it is? |
| 17:40.59 | wethrin | yes. Meat is good for you |
| 17:42.06 | mikejw | it is good |
| 17:42.20 | mikejw | well can be |
| 18:00.35 | wethrin | I still haven't decided what to make |
| 18:01.57 | mikejw | :) |
| 18:02.28 | mikejw | spaghetti is quicker? |
| 18:02.55 | wethrin | Not really - there's no time difference as I do it in parallel with the sauce |
| 18:04.02 | mikejw | ah ok |
| 18:04.41 | mikejw | kidney beans are nice and it's a shame to miss out? |
| 18:05.13 | wethrin | Yes, but spaghetti is nice too :) |
| 18:05.18 | mikejw | lol |
| 18:05.28 | mikejw | tough call |
| 18:05.31 | wethrin | indeed |
| 18:07.30 | wethrin | so it's hard for me to decide |
| 18:08.41 | mikejw | well.. when my friend was stuggling with what colour bed shet to buy.. |
| 18:08.48 | mikejw | *sheet |
| 18:09.12 | mikejw | I told him to use the technique where you imagine each option on the palm of either hand |
| 18:09.47 | mikejw | and then switch between moving each hand closer to your chest and monitoring any subtle changes inside you ;) |
| 18:10.30 | mikejw | I think it worked, he chose blue instead of black :) |
| 18:10.42 | wethrin | That sounds sensible anyway :) |
| 18:11.18 | mikejw | the power of the subconscious and all that jazz :) |
| 18:12.59 | wethrin | yeees |
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| 18:48.37 | George | haha |
| 18:48.37 | George | :) |
| 18:51.02 | wethrin | Healthy eating! |
| 18:59.04 | George | food. |
| 18:59.04 | George | I NEED FOOD |
| 18:59.17 | wethrin | So do I |
| 18:59.21 | wethrin | But I HAVE TO COOK |
| 19:37.00 | George | ibot seen cope |
| 19:37.06 | ibot | cope is currently on #debian #gllug. Has said a total of 160 messages. Is idling for 5h 35m 32s |
| 19:37.12 | George | useless bum |
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| 19:53.47 | morsing | beer |
| 20:40.54 | morsing | nn |
| 21:07.30 | resuDaed | evening all |
| 21:08.03 | resuDaed | anyone got any experience with qcad? |
| 21:11.41 | resuDaed | or know anything about statics (related to mechanics) |
| 21:13.58 | wethrin | Try #qcad? |
| 21:17.55 | resuDaed | hmmm... |
| 21:18.19 | wethrin | andrew_m is the author, is he's there |
| 21:19.21 | resuDaed | wethrin : he is logged in, but there seems to be no activity |
| 21:20.38 | mozrat | evenin' |
| 21:21.39 | resuDaed | wethrin : what did you study at uni? |
| 21:23.37 | wethrin | Physics, then CompSci, now doing Engineering |
| 21:24.24 | resuDaed | wethrin : I am assuming then that you are quite competent with statics |
| 21:24.36 | wethrin | Nope :) |
| 21:24.58 | resuDaed | do you know what they are? |
| 21:25.01 | wethrin | Sorry. Haven't touched mechanics since, err, late 1999 |
| 21:25.04 | wethrin | So forgotten it all |
| 21:27.03 | resuDaed | :-( |
| 21:31.27 | wethrin | sorry |
| 21:33.00 | resuDaed | out of interest, what branch of engineering are you studying? |
| 21:33.12 | wethrin | Organic electronics |
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| 22:45.29 | wethrin | go away :) |
| 22:46.23 | ufo_ | mozrat: ? |
| 22:46.58 | ufo_ | evening guys ;] |
| 22:48.13 | wethrin | ufo! |
| 22:48.29 | ufo_ | :> |
| 22:54.10 | ufo_ | mozrat: wake up! ;] |
| 23:16.41 | George | I FEEL ILL |
| 23:18.44 | George | I've got bloody awful stomach ache |
| 23:19.18 | wethrin | Throw up. Out of the window |
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