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00:01.16Tron_rhowe: If you quit dating $many_different_girlies, you could afford to put even more money away!
00:01.34rhoweTron_: $many = 2
00:01.41rhoweTron_: And girl #2 is free
00:01.46Tron_rhowe: 2 too many :P
00:01.53Tron_rhowe: NO GIRL is free.
00:02.16rhoweTron_: This one is :P
00:02.21Tron_Lies.
00:02.32rhoweTron_: Hm, and I may well turn in a profit from my gf too.. she gave me a cheque for £100 on Monday
00:02.51Tron_I won't ask.
00:03.26rhoweThat said, I'm buying her a pretty frock tomorrow
00:07.50rhoweI'd paste a link to a picture of it, but I can't because Oasis's site is all flash
00:08.06rhoweSo you'll just have to wait for the photos of the party on Saturday night
00:08.49Tron_Heh
00:25.46mozratnn folks
00:27.55Georgeheh
00:27.56Georgelazy bastard
00:28.01Georgemozrat: btw
00:28.14Georgemozrat: should have the TP tomorrow! :D
00:37.29LeedsGeorge: toilet paper
00:37.40GeorgeLeeds: yes, yes
00:37.44GeorgeI knew you would say that
00:45.14rhowe(with red & black spikes, naturally)
00:48.21rhowehttp://siksai.co.uk/pics/tmp/crw_0998.jpg
00:56.30Leeds"Sendmail X.0.0.0.0 released"
01:21.12Erwin$@ $: $!
01:23.21wethrinDon't hold back. Tell us how you really feel
01:23.55ErwinNo, that was some sendmail code for rewriting addresses ;)
01:24.47wethrinHeh
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07:22.38Leedshttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/11/02/sgi_penny_stock/ :-(
08:48.34mozratmorning
08:48.52Leedshi
08:49.00murburgle
08:49.12mozratsad about SGI
08:49.19murbwhy?
08:49.40mozratsome of their kit was quite good
08:49.54mozratI have 2 O2's under my desk (haven't touched them for ages)
08:51.08murbI certainly wouldn't recommend Irix to anyone.
08:52.26mozratWe had an IRIX cluster as well here
08:52.44mozratno, maybe I wouldn't recommend it to people but it's stills sad to see them doing so badly
08:53.52LeedsN years ago there were a lot more companies being successful with Unix
08:54.16LeedsI guess I'll never make my hattrick of 3-letter Unix companies starting with S
08:54.32mozratand todays largest unix vendor by units sold is.......
08:54.51mozratapple
08:56.34murbmozrat: i thought they were in trouble already for claiming that?
08:56.43Leedshttp://www.ibiblio.org/404.html
08:56.47mozratoh? I hadn't heard that
08:56.51LeedsUnix/UNIX/unix
08:56.57murbmozrat: unix being a trademark and all.
08:57.08Leedsmurb: the trademark is UNIX, not unix
08:57.26murbLeeds: yes, but they used UNIX.
08:57.35murbin their claim
08:58.29Leedsmurb: but mozrat didn't :-)
08:58.49mozratLeeds, I was eating toast and typing with one hand
08:58.51murbLeeds: clearly failure to turn on capslock :-)
08:59.37mozratso a BSD can't claim to be a UNIX? only a unix?
09:00.09Leedsmorsing: you're eating toast and didn't offer any around?  that's not very nice
09:00.22mozratI was also eating toast
09:00.36mozratIt was peanut butter on toast with some mushrooms :)
09:00.55Leedsa UNIX, specifically, is a thing which implements the Single UNIX Spec and has been tested and branded a compatible implementation
09:02.16LeedsI still, potentially, have an offer from a (now ex-)colleague of mine who was the standards person at SCO for a long time, then the second standards person within the Solaris group - and who has been at least watching Linux standards efforts for years - to speak on the subject at GLLUG
09:02.40mozratGet him then :)
09:02.50Leedsher
09:03.15LeedsI always thought it would be an interesting talk... most other people didn't seem to agree
09:03.15mozratget her then :)
09:03.58Leeds"Yes! Then so what? Here are the points! Because of different kinds of reasons, in the early days, many programs didn't consider the possibility of non-ASCII codes as a part of entering data."
09:04.27Leeds"A notorious substance is the earlier sendmail program."
09:06.19Leedsokay, it's just possible that this HOWTO is a little out-of-date... it's recommending archie to search for stuff online...
09:06.59murbit could be recommending verconica
09:08.05Leedsvery easy rodent-oriented... something
09:11.11Leedsokay, I can display Russian... Hebrew... need to get my Chinese working
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09:19.13mozratmorsing_: !
09:20.11morsing_mozrat!
09:20.20morsing_How's life?
09:20.26mozratGood thanks
09:20.29mozratyou?
09:20.31mikejw_can anyone recommend fairly simple but good ircd software for me to use?
09:29.14mozratircd is not "fairly simple"
09:30.48mikejw_yeah ok
09:30.59mozratI mean the actual ircd package
09:31.09mikejw_oh
09:31.18mozratI think I read a review in a mag about a newer IRC server that was easier
09:31.19mikejw_which one sorry?
09:33.28morsing_Mmm... MOT
09:33.35morsing_mozrat: I'm ok
09:34.35mozratmikejw_: sorry, I'm not sure. I'll have a look
09:35.05mikejw_It seems there are a quite a few forks of the original ircd
09:37.43mikejw_maybe I'll just check out hybrid 6
09:38.02mozratmikejw_: I think it was reviewed in Linux Format, I'll have a look tonight
09:41.59mikejw_oh cool
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09:46.11kbsingh$tz Greetings
09:48.44mozrathey kbsingh
09:49.17Leedsevening :-)
09:50.52kbsinghhi mozrat & Leeds
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09:54.02Leedsevening dad
09:54.28ProperMadDadevenig Leeds
09:55.29mikejw_hi Leeds
09:55.52Leedshttp://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://live.com - the new "Windows Live" thing
09:59.30mikejw_hmmm
10:00.14Leedsprobably a proxy in front of it or something
10:01.10mikejw_I prefer it to IE "channels" :)
10:05.14Leedsalright, hometime
10:22.33mozratkbsingh: which OS do you use at work for your desktop?
10:23.17rhoweouch - http://www.hse.gov.uk/slips/experience/flash-fries.htm
10:24.54kbsinghmozrat, CentOS4/x86_64 and a Rawhide/FC4(on ppc ) hybrid
10:26.47mozratNice, I'm going to migrate one server today over to CentOS
10:27.09kbsinghcool, what are you migrating from ?
10:27.15mozratDebian Stable
10:27.34mozratIt's just FTP and HTTP
10:27.40mozratso shouldn't be too hard
10:28.37kbsinghshould be straightforward - for ftp, what authentication do you use ?
10:29.41mozratjust local
10:29.47mozrat<PROTECTED>
10:29.56kbsinghright :)
10:29.57mozratit's internet facing and a small server
10:31.50mozratHmm, not small. "standalone" is a better description
10:37.05morsing_ping eye69
10:38.26morsing_~seen eye69
10:38.28iboteye69 is currently on #gllug
10:39.03murbmorsing_: idle     : 7 days 21 hours 30 mins 30 secs
10:39.45morsing_Eh?
10:40.26morsing_Mmm...
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10:47.01morsing_weasl77!
10:47.42weasl77yo
10:57.48morsing_http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pdf/NEC2006.pdf
11:12.53mozratHas anyone on channel ever had a Linux virus or worm before (office discussion)
11:13.00mozrator knows someone that has
11:13.32ErwinWorms originated on UNIX
11:17.06wethrinThere have been ones going around for unpatched RedHat 6.0(?) systems
11:17.10wethrinBut I never got one
11:19.22mozratwethrin, Erwin. Please have a look at this (1MB PNG file) and tell me if you think the content is OK to send out to the list.. it's to promote the installfest this month
11:19.26mozrathttp://beerandspeech.org/gllug/flyers/meetings/12thNov05/12th-November-Flyer.png
11:19.54mozrat$GUY in office had a problem with the last paragraph under "What is Linux?" :)
11:21.21wethrinWell, I would pedant that Phil Hands is probably unknown to the people you're targetting the flyer at
11:21.38mozratTrue
11:21.41wethrinAnd Linux runs on more than just PC and Apple hardare :)
11:21.49mozratTrue again :)
11:22.00mozratbut for the target audience :)
11:22.06mozratof computer fairs and libraries
11:22.42wethrin"Audio Editors" should really have a lower-case 'E' to fit in with the other bullet points
11:23.00wethrins/This mean 2 things/This means two things/
11:24.07mozratI'll change those points
11:24.37wethrinAnd under What is Gllug, change the 6th paragraph to:
11:26.18wethrin"As much as anything else, Linux use is a social experience, and GLLUG is a great place to meet people. The Gllug-Social mailing list arranges purely social meetings where matters can be discussed over a pint or two in an informal setting"
11:26.28wethrin(don't forget the commas :-) )
11:28.36mozratrighto
11:29.16wethrinYou can't really say that Social /often/ arranges meetings :)
11:29.41morsing_wethrin: Really? And whos fault is that?
11:30.06wethrinOther people's!
11:30.18wethrinWhy am I the only one sending out pub mails? :)
11:30.43mozratcos you drink beer a lot?
11:31.12wethrinWell, other people drink beer too!
11:34.15wethrinAnd I've only ever seen you turn up to one!
11:37.16mozratme?
11:37.53wethrinYes :)
11:38.23mozratYes, I've only been to one. Hence me not announcing new events on the list. Would be mean to announce one and not turn up
11:39.58morsing_mozrat: Reason being?
11:42.18mozratCos it would be strange to say... "Come along to the pub," and then not be at the pub when people turn up
11:43.41rhowehttp://www.b3ta.com/board/5280529
11:43.45rhowe(SFW)
11:44.20mozratPoor David Blunkett - he just didn't see it coming
11:45.02rhowe*groan*
11:48.17morsing_mozrat: WHY DON@T YOU COME ALONG!
11:48.27mozratmorsing_: oh! I will.
11:48.49mozratmorsing_: are you going to London.pm tomorrow?
11:50.15morsing_mozrat: Are you?
11:50.28morsing_rhowe: And you?
11:50.34morsing_wethrin:?
11:50.40mozratmorsing_: likely I will yes
11:51.19morsing_mozrat: I'm not traveling all the way to London for "likely"
11:52.37rhowemorsing_: wha?
11:53.24mozratmorsing_: then I shall give a firm and booming affirmative YES
11:53.38rhowemorsing_: Hm.. I may go
11:53.53rhowemorsing_: Chances are I will have been drinking from the early afternoon onwards, however
11:59.45wethrinmorsing_: Yes?
12:00.04wethrinmorsing_: I'm not coming to London.pm
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12:12.00Leedsevening folks
12:16.42murbafternoon Leeds
12:17.22mozrathey Leeds
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13:15.40highburyand some people don't like beer (not me)
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13:25.12murbhighbury: you don't not not like beer?
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13:44.08mozrat'lo Blissex
13:44.45BlissexHi!
14:01.11rhowemurb: no no... not highbury don't not not like beer
14:02.29JAVafternoon!
14:04.36Georgeyay
14:04.37Georgeit's come
14:05.40mozratwoo
14:06.14morsing_rhowe, mozrat: Where is it?
14:06.45Georgemozrat: :D
14:07.59mozrathttp://www.london.pm.org/meetings/locations/cittieofyorke.html
14:08.07mozratGeorge: come to London.pm
14:08.13Georgemozrat: when?
14:08.24murbmozrat: is he old enough?
14:08.41mozratmurb: he's 17 - enough to get a sneaky beer
14:08.47mozratGeorge: tomorrow
14:08.48GeorgeI don't drink
14:08.54Georgenope, can't come
14:08.55GeorgeI'm at school
14:08.58mozrats/beer/alchopop/
14:13.53murbmozrat: oh i thought he sounded younger than that.
14:14.31rhowemozrat: Hm.. Dave hates that pub :P
14:14.45rhowemozrat: It's a little out of the way... I might go to the porterhouse instead
14:15.31mozratmurb: he sounds about 10 yes
14:15.34mozratrhowe: oh
14:15.37mozratDave Cross?
14:17.25morsing_porterhouse sucks
14:23.06rhowemozrat: Dave Cantrell
14:23.22rhowemorsing_: But it's big, and central and has a large selection
14:24.01mozratrhowe: ahh
14:36.43mozratGeorge: is it shiny?
14:37.09Georgemozrat: no
14:40.44morsing_What do you all think of ZFS?
14:42.15murbwho grabbed YFS?
14:42.59ErwinHM.m Debian GNU/Solaris :-)
14:44.11morsing_Are these real responses? Has anyone here used it?
14:44.25mozratGeorge: no??
14:44.37morsing_mozrat: Stop talking to George!
14:45.19mikejwaway
14:45.25mikejw:S
14:45.44Georgemozrat: tps aren't shiny :)
14:45.54mozratGeorge: mine is a little
14:46.00mozrat*grins.at.morsing*
14:46.26morsing_http://www.sun.com/2004-0914/feature/
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15:10.16mozrathey ProperMadDad
15:15.37ProperMadDadHi mozrat
15:16.07ProperMadDadwell could'nt getalong with gentoo so I have just install debian
15:16.51rhowetried ubuntu? People seem to like it
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15:18.21ProperMadDadhumm not yet rhowe I think my friend is installing kubuntu tonight
15:18.42wethrinblah
15:21.03weasl77mozrat: I've been having soem trouble with Ubuntu printing ..
15:23.17highburymy sound wasn't working with Ubuntu, then I realised it would only work with external speakers, not the internal one
15:23.55murbmixer settings?
15:28.03mozratweasl77: what problems?
15:34.23weasl77connecting over a parallel port, to Canon 610 or Epson 740: sometimes prints what looks like postscript (in Windows), but more often often just sits there in a huff.. It will allow me to delete the print job, no prob. the very first time I tried (epson) printed the 1st page of the test page, then locked up.
15:34.23weasl77When installed, I just follwed through the 'wizard', selected the 'epson parallel port' for the epson & similarly for the canon.
15:34.23weasl77No idea the difference between the 2 ports ..:-s  Cant say much more .. TIA
15:35.13mozratHmm
15:35.21weasl77(was v5.04, now updating pkges to see ..)
15:37.39weasl77I am prone to forgetting to switch on the printer/go online/etc. at the critical moment! Dont know if that causes the lockups. Would assume it will keep trying to poll the printer ..
16:10.54weasl77the update doesn't seem to have achieved anything .. (in that area ..)
16:15.18Georgemozrat: moo
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16:21.06mozratmoo!
16:23.08GeorgeOOM!
16:34.34Georgemozrat: making recovery cds sucks
16:35.17mozratGeorge: WHY?
16:35.23mozratCaps lock, sorry
16:35.25mozratwhy?
16:35.36Georgemozrat: takes fucking AGES
16:51.06weasl77mozrat: fyi - have tried kubuntu live (and on a limited system): installed and printed from the canon fine (parallel), whilst there was a driver problem for the epson. However it did print postscript instructions over both parallel and usb interfaces
16:51.07weasl77conclusion: ubuntu & gnome have a problem??
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16:59.58morsing_Leeds!
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17:02.51eye69morsing_: Hey
17:02.57morsing_Heyyy
17:03.00morsing_Mmm... Nagios
17:04.46mozratI like Nagios
17:05.01mozratmorsing_: have you found the smart way to configure it yet :)
17:05.28morsing_mozrat: No - website's up but haven't configured anything yet
17:05.33morsing_Is it complicated?
17:05.58mozratmorsing_: if you treat your configuration on a host by host basis yes
17:06.04kbsinghNagios is a pain to get going properly
17:06.05mozratthere is a way to use service groups
17:06.29mozratso adding new hosts means adding 4 lines to define the host (mainly name, alias and IP address)
17:06.35morsing_Can it monitor everything?
17:06.41mozratand then adding the host to the SSH_GROUP, HTTP_GROUP etc
17:07.01morsing_Is it as good as Sitescope?
17:07.06mozratand it "automatically"Â starts to monito the correct services
17:07.16mozratTechnically it is great
17:07.42mozratjust a pain to do the configs if you go about it the long way around
17:07.49mozratmorsing_: want some example config files?
17:08.01eye69mozrat: I've it setup the long way currently.
17:08.14kbsingheye69, me too :)
17:08.40mozratI'll blog it tonight....
17:09.02morsing_mozrat: Thanks
17:10.19mozratnp
17:24.18Georgemozrat: installing gentoo now
17:24.49kbsinghGeorge, is there a NX client for anything other than i386 at the moment ?
17:25.12Georgeknx
17:25.34kbsinghwuzat ?
17:25.47Georgethe kde nx client
17:25.53Georgethe current version in subversion is broken though
17:26.04GeorgeI've got a working copy, but it's not ready for pushing yet
17:26.13kbsinghdoes it run on ppc ?
17:26.19Georgeyes
17:26.40kbsinghlet me know when / where I can get it then :)
17:26.51Georgeheh
17:26.55Georgewhen it's ready :)
17:26.56kbsinghwhat ver of kdelibs / qt does it need ?
17:27.00Georgeerm
17:27.05GeorgeSVN probably
17:27.05Georgeno idea
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17:41.50Georgethe magic sysrq key is BLOODY useful
17:42.47wethrinyes
17:42.51wethrinSometimes
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19:07.48Georgeok, it appears radeonfb is fucking unstable
19:15.14eye69Is it "self inflicted" or "selfinflicted"?
19:15.32Erwinself-inflicted
19:15.49eye69Thanks.
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20:10.17zacharygood evening
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22:41.10mozratevening
22:52.33Georgecan you get charged on a mobile for receiving a private number?
22:52.43Georgeor rather, a call from a private number?
22:54.16z00daxno
22:54.21Georgeok
22:54.22Georgegood
22:54.31highburyonly if your roaming abroad
22:54.50Georgeok
22:54.53Georgegood.
22:55.18z00daxmaybe its the phone ?
22:55.22z00daxor your hearing ?
22:55.32Georgeerm.
22:55.34Georgethe phone's fine
22:55.37highburypeople with crappy phones which dial people from in their pockets
22:55.51Georgeheh
22:56.14wethrinMost likely what highbury said
22:56.19highburyexample, my mother keeps getting calls from my brother, but all she hears is him carry on as though he hadn't made a call
22:56.34wethrinTell him how to lock the keypad
22:56.44highburyare they withholding their number?
22:59.17mozratGeorge: stalkers?
22:59.25GeorgeI don't have stalkers.
23:00.24mozrathow would you know?
23:02.52wethrinWho'd want to stalk George?
23:04.37mozratwethrin: you make an excellent point
23:05.11mozratwethrin: when reviewing that PDF file earlier you neglected to tell me that I had forgotton the time of the meeting
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23:06.01wethrinOh, I didn't even notice that :)
23:06.13wethrinI'm so used to knowing that Gllug meetings start whenever in the afternoon
23:06.22mozratneither did I. Simon Rumble did :/
23:06.26mozratbit embarrasing
23:06.28wethrinHeh
23:06.29Georgeinteresting.
23:06.34wethrinYou've been rumbled!
23:06.35Georgea 30GB 4200rpm disk does 18MB/s
23:06.38wethrin<groan>
23:06.45Georgea 60GB 7200rpm disk does 34MB/s
23:06.49mozratwethrin: I was definetley rumbled
23:07.31wethrinGeorge: So a 120GB 10200rpm disk should do 76MB/s?
23:11.13Georgego away and die
23:13.16wethrin?
23:13.18wethrinBe polite!

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