| 00:00.06 | mozrat | some old grumpy git was offended at my blue skin |
| 00:00.39 | pdr | mozrat: you're in London? |
| 00:01.29 | mozrat | pdr, outskirts of East London yes |
| 00:02.20 | Leeds | it's just so... spun... |
| 00:12.46 | mozrat | there is a site linked which is completely unreachable |
| 00:12.54 | mozrat | so it must be getting whacked out |
| 00:13.03 | mozrat | but slashdot itself is fast as normal |
| 00:13.19 | mozrat | they must have a good infrastructure |
| 00:13.36 | Leeds | ooh, popup ads on TV: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds25484.html |
| 00:14.47 | mozrat | I;m glad they ruled it in breach of regulations |
| 00:14.50 | Leeds | indeed |
| 00:14.56 | Leeds | and more lol-ing: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-10-24 |
| 00:15.36 | mozrat | lol |
| 00:43.08 | mozrat | Leeds, AngelChild nn both |
| 00:43.13 | AngelChild | nn |
| 00:45.01 | Leeds | night mozrat |
| 01:21.06 | Leeds | http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001902.html |
| 01:21.30 | Leeds | "Jane's 8th Annual Less-Lethal Weapons Conference." - held in Leeds! |
| 01:21.53 | Leeds | lunches sponsored by Taser International :-) |
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| 08:06.33 | Cope | hello all |
| 08:14.03 | mozrat | moin |
| 08:15.42 | Cope | hi |
| 08:30.27 | Leeds | someone slightly missing the point: http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/thread5805.html |
| 08:35.25 | Cope | mozrat: any idea what 'logshipper' is? |
| 08:35.35 | Cope | I guess it ships logs... but is it part of ms sql? |
| 08:35.38 | Cope | or something? |
| 08:40.32 | mozrat | I think it is MS-SQL |
| 08:40.48 | mozrat | is it part of one of their replication types? |
| 08:40.55 | Cope | sounds likely |
| 08:41.00 | Cope | any its broken |
| 08:41.01 | mozrat | so the logs are shipped to another server and the transactions replayed |
| 08:41.16 | Cope | yah |
| 08:42.49 | mozrat | you broke it? |
| 08:42.58 | Cope | no |
| 08:43.04 | Cope | but i have to fix it |
| 08:43.25 | mozrat | oh dear |
| 08:47.32 | eye69 | Argh, fucking brakes. Still didn't pass MOT. |
| 08:48.00 | mozrat | unlucky eye69 |
| 08:48.57 | eye69 | Now the handbrake actuator sticks, and braking is still uneven, although the overall braking is much better after changing brake fluid. |
| 09:00.47 | George | hrmm |
| 09:00.55 | George | the laptop's shipping out tomorrow |
| 09:01.35 | mozrat | what are you going to install on it George ? |
| 09:01.46 | George | gentoo |
| 09:01.48 | Cope | netbsd! |
| 09:01.53 | George | I hope I've got enough time |
| 09:02.14 | mozrat | lol - you just summed up Gentoo |
| 09:02.24 | mozrat | *noone* has enough time to install Gentoo |
| 09:02.29 | Cope | byt,.., but... its 'optimised' |
| 09:02.30 | George | the women I spoke to at the company was a complete tard |
| 09:03.08 | Cope | mozrat: surely you'll make up for all the compile time when your machine runs so quickly due to the application of mystical compile flags! |
| 09:03.17 | George | I don't care for opti |
| 09:03.27 | George | gentoo is just nice |
| 09:03.42 | Cope | George: why? |
| 09:03.42 | George | and the fact that I don't have to fuck around with -devel packages.. :P |
| 09:03.49 | George | Cope: I like the way it sets up X |
| 09:03.55 | Cope | then copy it |
| 09:04.08 | George | can't be bothered |
| 09:04.16 | George | I'm not doing anything else while I sleep anyway. |
| 09:04.30 | Cope | but you can be bothered to have a brick sitting there getting hot for a week? |
| 09:05.00 | George | huh? |
| 09:05.06 | George | it doesn't take a week |
| 09:05.09 | George | it takes a day |
| 09:05.10 | George | at the most |
| 09:05.19 | George | which is about the same amount of time it'd take me to set up any other distro |
| 09:05.32 | Cope | if you say so |
| 09:05.53 | Cope | difference is if you want to add a new package, or change something you still have to wait for ages while it compiles stuff |
| 09:06.08 | George | it doesn't take that long |
| 09:06.18 | George | most of the time the only thing that changes is KDE |
| 09:06.22 | George | and I compile that anyway |
| 09:06.32 | George | in other news, I'm going to shrewsbury tomorrow. |
| 09:08.09 | Cope | hrm... gentoo user... calling me silly? |
| 09:08.27 | Cope | :-P |
| 09:08.31 | Cope | but you like me! |
| 09:08.36 | Cope | I'm nice to you! |
| 09:08.36 | George | not anymore |
| 09:08.39 | George | you're being a bitch. |
| 09:08.42 | Cope | aww |
| 09:08.43 | Cope | sorry |
| 09:08.53 | Cope | i just think gentoo is a monumental polished turd |
| 09:09.06 | George | have you ever used it? |
| 09:09.11 | Cope | yeah |
| 09:09.22 | Cope | one comment: |
| 09:09.28 | Cope | really good documentation |
| 09:09.53 | Cope | that's where the story ends |
| 09:11.23 | Cope | piss-poor rip-off of freebsd; get the real thing; hugely unstable; idiotic investment of time, compiling every sodding thing; bunch of wacko users who reckon their machine is suddenly kray class because they followed someone's compile instructions, and who think watching a huge amount of noise zoom past on stdout makes them l33t. |
| 09:12.01 | Cope | but I'm probably being unfair. |
| 09:12.09 | Cope | maybe I'll give it another go. |
| 09:12.28 | Cope | as I say, the one thing that was really impressive was the documentation |
| 09:13.00 | Cope | and it does have a sizeable community around it - they can't all be idiots, and you're not an idiot either. |
| 09:14.53 | rhowe | http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 09:15.15 | Cope | rhowe: indeed] |
| 09:17.20 | mozrat | Yea, I really don't understand all the complaints about the time to install gentoo. It is like complaining about your Ferrari because the dealership was so far away. |
| 09:17.23 | mozrat | hhehe |
| 09:18.20 | Cope | erm, ok |
| 09:19.03 | Cope | except if you travelled to italy and bought something sold a s a ferrari, and found it had the same performance as an escort, you'd be pissed off. |
| 09:19.09 | Cope | which is precisely the point. |
| 09:19.16 | mozrat | yes :) |
| 09:19.42 | Cope | ok maybe an escort with a new air filter |
| 09:20.02 | mozrat | http://funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg << nice |
| 09:20.35 | Cope | lol |
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| 09:22.52 | Cope | yay |
| 09:22.55 | Cope | hi kb |
| 09:23.06 | mozrat | howzit kbsingh |
| 09:24.00 | kbsingh | morning Cope, mozrat |
| 09:27.30 | Cope | hi kbsingh |
| 09:37.49 | mozrat | Cope, can you get to http://gllug.ukfsn.org.uk ? |
| 09:37.57 | mozrat | umm |
| 09:38.04 | mozrat | gllug.ukfsn.org even |
| 09:39.38 | Cope | no |
| 09:39.55 | Cope | yes |
| 09:40.10 | Cope | (org.uk = no; org = yes) |
| 09:40.44 | mozrat | org.uk was a type |
| 09:40.46 | mozrat | typo |
| 09:40.51 | mozrat | type was also a typo |
| 09:41.07 | mozrat | ah, I can now also |
| 09:41.41 | Cope | groovy |
| 09:56.44 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4374222.stm |
| 10:01.37 | rhowe | oops "New sudo packages fix arbitrary command execution" |
| 10:03.49 | Cope | nice |
| 10:05.54 | rhowe | JSP has it's 'normal' syntax, using things like <% and %> to delimit blocks of code embedded in the page |
| 10:06.19 | rhowe | ugh, sorry |
| 10:06.27 | rhowe | But it also has an "XML representation" where you can write the same thing and have it result in a well-formed XML document |
| 10:06.47 | rhowe | However, it isn't XML, it's just JSP written in a way which is compatible with XML parsers |
| 10:06.58 | George | "it's an incredible book dogbert" "yes, it took me all morning to write it" |
| 10:07.01 | rhowe | Which means that you can't really use XML tools to generate JSP pages |
| 10:07.19 | rhowe | Since you can't be sure that the generated XML is in the format JSP expects |
| 10:08.23 | wethrin | George: I hope you've bought the DVDs and aren't watching it from Bittorrent TV |
| 10:26.27 | Leeds | wethrin: ? |
| 10:26.45 | wethrin | Leeds: It's from the Dilbert cartoon series |
| 10:27.06 | Leeds | ugh |
| 10:29.20 | George | work? hahaha |
| 10:51.52 | wethrin | George: It's almost like work. I have to d ostuff |
| 10:51.59 | George | hahahaha |
| 10:52.02 | George | I have to do stuff too |
| 10:54.41 | wethrin | No you don't :-P |
| 10:55.56 | George | I'M HUNGRY |
| 10:55.57 | George | yes I do |
| 10:56.02 | George | I have to eat occassionally |
| 10:56.07 | George | wethrin: now tell me what's wrong with shrewsbury |
| 10:57.23 | wethrin | Find out for yourself! |
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| 10:59.12 | wethrin | violence never solved anything |
| 10:59.31 | George | it did in this case |
| 10:59.40 | wethrin | how? |
| 11:00.26 | George | dunno. |
| 11:00.27 | George | now hush |
| 11:00.37 | wethrin | No |
| 11:00.40 | wethrin | Go do some work |
| 11:01.12 | George | I'm busy |
| 11:03.58 | wethrin | Hahahaha |
| 11:04.22 | George | what? |
| 11:04.28 | wethrin | You. Busy. Bwahahahahaha |
| 11:04.53 | George | what? |
| 11:05.02 | wethrin | Hahaha |
| 11:05.07 | wethrin | Busy being on IRC |
| 11:05.20 | George | no, MSN |
| 11:05.35 | wethrin | Pff. That's not being busy. That's procrastinating! |
| 11:05.58 | George | lies |
| 11:09.56 | wethrin | No lies |
| 11:27.45 | wethrin | go away |
| 11:27.53 | George | don't be so rude |
| 11:27.54 | George | :'( |
| 11:28.04 | wethrin | Ha! |
| 11:28.41 | George | rudeness. |
| 11:29.47 | wethrin | Yup |
| 11:36.03 | Leeds | "Edna Krabappoly" |
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| 11:40.45 | Leeds | evening IAmAI |
| 11:41.06 | IAmAI | How can you be so cruel! |
| 11:41.17 | Leeds | ??? |
| 11:41.18 | wethrin | He's cruel to be kind |
| 11:41.40 | IAmAI | Telling me its the evening when blatently its not! |
| 11:41.50 | IAmAI | You make me so hopeful... :( |
| 11:42.06 | IAmAI | :p |
| 11:42.10 | Leeds | go on, ctcp time me - I dare you |
| 11:44.24 | IAmAI | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.34 | IAmAI | \msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 11:44.38 | IAmAI | OK... |
| 11:45.23 | George | I NEED FOOD |
| 11:45.32 | Leeds | IAmAI: why are you confused? |
| 11:45.33 | IAmAI | Who's trying to send private messages? |
| 11:45.46 | IAmAI | I keep getting "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )" |
| 11:46.21 | Leeds | I'm trying to send ctcp, but I'm registered, and I'm not getting a response - maybe the response is blocked because you're not registered |
| 11:46.41 | IAmAI | I tried registering, but it didn't appear to work |
| 11:47.02 | wethrin | Bye all! |
| 11:47.17 | IAmAI | Bye |
| 11:47.17 | Leeds | have fun |
| 11:47.36 | Leeds | IAmAI: anyway, my point is that it's 7:47pm where I am :-) |
| 11:48.20 | IAmAI | Where are you? |
| 11:48.34 | Cope | GMT +8 hrs |
| 11:48.36 | Cope | think about it |
| 11:48.49 | IAmAI | No idea. |
| 11:48.57 | IAmAI | Australia? |
| 11:49.02 | Cope | well, not quite that far |
| 11:49.05 | Cope | right direction |
| 11:49.08 | IAmAI | LOL |
| 11:49.15 | IAmAI | America? |
| 11:49.17 | Cope | +8 is Hong Kong |
| 11:49.22 | Cope | and bits of china |
| 11:49.23 | IAmAI | Oh. Cool. |
| 11:49.23 | Cope | etc |
| 11:49.24 | Leeds | Cope: actually, it's China... |
| 11:49.29 | Cope | Leeds: i know |
| 11:49.32 | Leeds | all of China is one TZ AFAIK |
| 11:49.34 | IAmAI | Having fun in China? |
| 11:49.35 | Cope | I know |
| 11:49.46 | Cope | Leeds: now, egg sucking; first take an egg... |
| 11:49.47 | kbsingh | all of china is one TZ ? I bet thats fun |
| 11:50.00 | Leeds | yes, I'm having fun, except for the slight lack of walking ability right now |
| 11:50.05 | Leeds | Cope: mmm... eggs... |
| 11:50.07 | Cope | mmm |
| 11:50.19 | Cope | i have cheese |
| 11:50.22 | Cope | and trail mix |
| 11:50.23 | Leeds | hmm... I wonder if I'm up to walking to the 24/7 breakfast place for dinner :-) |
| 11:50.37 | kbsingh | Cope, walkng the trail ? in the middle of London / |
| 11:50.44 | Leeds | it's called "The Flying Pan" for a nice multi-level pun |
| 12:07.25 | George | heh, "You don't honestly believe you'd win a bet with a Nobel prize winning Lucasian professor of mathematics?" |
| 12:18.56 | Erwin | Does the model name refer to its size? |
| 12:20.52 | rhowe | hm, approximately, if you fold the screen flat :) |
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| 13:08.09 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/minne.jpg <-- the joys of an all boys boarding school |
| 13:10.05 | Leeds | www.gwright.org.uk could not be found |
| 13:10.13 | George | wtf |
| 13:10.22 | George | ibot: nslookup gwright.org.uk |
| 13:10.49 | George | argh. I've fallen off DNS again. |
| 13:11.21 | Leeds | ha ha ha |
| 13:12.12 | George | http://83.146.61.45/minne.jpg |
| 13:14.11 | George | just been on the phone to Jim Conner about it |
| 13:14.27 | Leeds | loading... slowly... |
| 13:14.30 | Leeds | Tangent? |
| 13:14.34 | George | yes |
| 13:14.35 | George | yes, Tangent |
| 13:14.51 | Leeds | why is your broken DNS his problem? |
| 13:14.58 | George | it's his dns server |
| 13:15.06 | Leeds | ah... |
| 13:15.33 | George | :P |
| 13:15.40 | Leeds | I think I'll be able to walk by the morning... |
| 13:18.13 | George | ibot: nslookup gwright.org.uk |
| 13:18.17 | Leeds | so that's you having sex with who? |
| 13:18.22 | George | Leeds: it's not me |
| 13:18.29 | George | Leeds: I'm just the photographer |
| 13:18.39 | George | gwright.org.uk/van.jpg |
| 13:18.42 | George | THAT'S me |
| 13:18.47 | Leeds | ah, so you joined in afterwards |
| 14:03.42 | Cope | :) |
| 14:04.22 | George | Cope: not going anymore. sucks. |
| 14:06.58 | Cope | oh! |
| 14:07.57 | Leeds | George: to Shrewsbury? |
| 14:08.03 | George | Leeds: yeah |
| 14:08.14 | Leeds | hah |
| 14:08.26 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/dlaps |
| 14:09.15 | Leeds | Scousers :-) |
| 14:20.47 | Leeds | hmm... I have pita bread here... imported... from Park Royal of all the pita sources on the planet :-) |
| 14:27.51 | George | I'M BLOODY HUNGRY |
| 14:35.55 | Leeds | I'm eating humous :-) |
| 14:41.30 | Kataki | Leeds: I read that as "I'm eating humans" there for just a brief fraction of a secnd, as I switched to this window ;) |
| 14:44.05 | Leeds | mmmm... humans |
| 14:45.49 | Leeds | it's my kind of people! |
| 14:58.49 | Cope | hoorah |
| 15:02.47 | George | VICTORY IS MINE! |
| 15:07.03 | Leeds | I expect to be able to walk reasonably well by the morning :-) |
| 16:07.54 | Leeds | wow... wine hit beta |
| 16:08.26 | George | yeah, I saw that too |
| 16:08.29 | George | it's the end of an era |
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| 16:09.25 | pdr | Leeds: looks like i'll indeed be heading into HK tomorrow morning for the day, so do you want to meet at happy valley? |
| 16:14.11 | JAV | great, hotplug conflicts with udev in debian (latest unstable upgrade) |
| 16:23.28 | Leeds | pdr: not heard back from the bloke who suggested it... might be best to meet somewhere neutral and head somewhere from there |
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| 16:44.35 | Leeds | pdr: ping |
| 16:48.22 | pdr | pong |
| 16:49.31 | pdr | bloody CTM |
| 16:49.31 | Leeds | did you see what I said above? |
| 16:49.34 | pdr | nup |
| 16:49.48 | Leeds | Leeds pdr: not heard back from the bloke who suggested it... might be best to meet somewhere neutral and head somewhere from there |
| 16:50.01 | Leeds | getting around HK is really easy, but Happy Valley isn't exactly in the middle of things |
| 16:50.41 | Leeds | sorry, remind me again... you've been to HK before, or not? |
| 16:51.01 | pdr | yeah, but i don't know the layout that well |
| 16:51.33 | pdr | i have to meet my aunt at the airport and take them to Sheung Wan to get the ferry from there |
| 16:52.23 | Leeds | well, Sheung Wan is a good place to meet |
| 16:52.50 | pdr | ok, cool |
| 16:52.59 | Leeds | the Macau ferry terminal itself isn't a great place - it's big and can be a little confusing - I've tried to meet someone there before :-) |
| 16:53.45 | Leeds | so call me tomorrow when you're around and we'll work out details |
| 16:53.54 | pdr | ok |
| 16:54.13 | pdr | i'll be there about 5:30pm ish by the look of it, so can call you around then? |
| 16:54.59 | Leeds | sure... I tend to leave work between 6 and 6:30 - takes me 20-30 minutes to get to Sheung Wan |
| 16:55.56 | pdr | ok, that could work out well then |
| 16:56.34 | pdr | anyway, i'm going to have to sleep now to get up in the morning to get an early ferry so will give you call about 5:30-6pm then |
| 16:57.04 | Leeds | cool... g'night |
| 16:57.07 | pdr | night |
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| 17:01.35 | Leeds | morning and g'night AngelChild |
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| 19:09.35 | mozrat | hey jackds |
| 19:10.07 | George | ibot: 15/19 |
| 19:10.08 | ibot | 0.789473684211 |
| 19:10.20 | mozrat | George: new laptop yet?? |
| 19:10.25 | George | nope |
| 19:10.28 | George | arriving thursday |
| 19:10.42 | mozrat | oh |
| 19:10.44 | mozrat | I thought today |
| 19:10.55 | George | so did I |
| 19:13.44 | jackds | hi |
| 19:15.18 | George | hrmm |
| 19:15.21 | George | rules du jour is good. |
| 19:15.27 | George | if a bit of a memory hog. |
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| 20:18.20 | mozrat | has he let you install the OS of choice on it? |
| 20:19.28 | Erwin | I can't imagine install Linux my on t42p, there's just too much strange IBM stuff on it. I run my linux in vmware there |
| 20:20.26 | mozrat | Erwin: I run Linux on my T42 (don't think it is a P) |
| 20:20.30 | mozrat | it works perfectly |
| 20:20.50 | mozrat | the blue "Access IBM" button is redundant but I'm sure I could get it to do something |
| 20:21.14 | Erwin | well: fingerprint reader. network connection setup. hard-disk airbag software. secure data area. |
| 20:22.11 | mozrat | the hard-disk protection still works AFAIK |
| 20:22.20 | mozrat | dunno about fingerprint reader |
| 20:22.50 | Erwin | Does it? There's a daemon that runs here that lets see the position of my laptop in 3D which looks cool. Though it may be all it does. |
| 20:23.25 | mozrat | Erwin: if you drop your laptop it stops the spindles on your disk before it hits the floor |
| 20:23.30 | George | mozrat: it has SUSE on it |
| 20:23.34 | George | mozrat: my father uses Linux |
| 20:23.37 | mozrat | or at least removes the drive heads from the disk or some foo |
| 20:23.42 | mozrat | George: Cool! |
| 20:23.52 | George | although I hate SuSE :) |
| 20:23.53 | mozrat | George has a l33t dad! |
| 20:24.00 | George | heh |
| 20:24.07 | George | I'm busy trying to convert him to Kubuntu |
| 20:24.10 | George | he likes Kubuntu :) |
| 20:24.19 | George | I installed it on his Athlon 600 workstation |
| 20:24.21 | mozrat | George: does he use KDE on SUSE or Gnome? |
| 20:24.25 | George | KDE |
| 20:24.25 | George | duh |
| 20:24.29 | George | I won't let him use GNOME |
| 20:24.29 | mozrat | bah |
| 20:24.44 | George | or anything else for that matter |
| 20:24.56 | mozrat | Grrrr, today is top posting day on the mailing list today |
| 20:25.22 | George | mozrat: the 'p' models have a 1400x1050 or higher res screen |
| 20:25.25 | George | this one has 1600x1200 |
| 20:25.36 | mozrat | too many todays in that sentence |
| 20:25.50 | mozrat | George I need a P model then |
| 20:25.58 | George | lol |
| 20:25.58 | George | why? |
| 20:26.07 | George | I've just ordered a p model |
| 20:26.19 | mozrat | cos my screen resolution sucks a bit |
| 20:26.27 | mozrat | I can live with it but I'd prefer something bigger |
| 20:26.51 | George | what do you have at the moment? |
| 20:26.57 | George | I wonder what the new Z series are like |
| 20:27.04 | George | those are the first ones completely designed by lenovo |
| 20:27.11 | Erwin | George: What battery life do you get? I have supposedly the extended battery but still the times are something like 3-4 hours |
| 20:27.16 | mozrat | I have 1024x768 on a standard Thinkpad T42 |
| 20:27.18 | George | Erwin: I don't know. |
| 20:27.21 | George | Erwin: I don't have a thinkpad |
| 20:27.26 | George | mozrat: eww |
| 20:27.35 | mozrat | Erwin: I think I get about 2 hours - maybe a little more |
| 20:29.06 | Erwin | Odd. Well, if playing a DVD full screen with full brightness, it lasts only 2 hrs |
| 20:34.45 | George | mozrat: http://www.gwright.org.uk/12092005.jpg |
| 20:34.58 | George | mozrat: what do you think of the highly advanced maths lessons we have? |
| 20:37.34 | mozrat | I'm sure you aren't serious |
| 20:37.39 | George | I am |
| 20:37.49 | George | that's an A Level Further Maths lesson |
| 20:37.55 | mozrat | fsck off |
| 20:37.59 | George | it is! |
| 20:38.02 | George | I promise you |
| 20:38.04 | George | I took that on my phone |
| 20:38.06 | mozrat | George. It isn't |
| 20:38.09 | George | yes, it is. |
| 20:38.42 | George | trust me on this. |
| 20:38.47 | mozrat | Is the answer 'Carrot' and then there is some 10 page essay on the meaning of life the universe and everything? |
| 20:39.00 | George | no |
| 20:39.17 | mozrat | Wow - I might study Further Maths then |
| 20:39.25 | George | oh |
| 20:39.29 | George | that's not further maths work |
| 20:39.33 | George | it was just a further maths lesson |
| 20:39.35 | George | :) |
| 20:39.42 | mozrat | ah |
| 20:40.09 | George | I think we were doing first order ordinary differential equations that lesson |
| 20:41.25 | George | not that you care :P |
| 20:41.33 | George | you NON MATHEMATICIAN YOU |
| 20:41.35 | mozrat | yes |
| 20:41.41 | mozrat | indeed |
| 20:41.53 | George | this laptop would be so much more usable if it had gentoo on it. |
| 20:42.46 | z00dax | I saw a new zSeries a few weeks back, was rather nice |
| 20:42.53 | George | yes |
| 20:42.55 | George | it's lenovo |
| 20:43.02 | George | I'm wondering if it's up to the standard of the thinkpad name |
| 20:43.06 | z00dax | zSeries is lenovo ? |
| 20:43.12 | George | wait |
| 20:43.15 | z00dax | did i miss the memo or something |
| 20:43.25 | George | are you referring to the new Z series of thinkpads? |
| 20:43.28 | George | or some big iron? |
| 20:43.29 | z00dax | no |
| 20:43.31 | z00dax | the real thing |
| 20:43.36 | z00dax | zSeries, cute BigIron |
| 20:43.39 | George | ah |
| 20:43.41 | George | apologies |
| 20:43.58 | George | lol |
| 20:44.22 | George | z00dax: are you the dude who came up to me at LWCE and told me how to hack onto some poor kid's wifi network? |
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| 20:54.04 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group - Next Event: Installfest! Nov 12th, University of Westminster! |
| 20:54.07 | George | you guys are all evil |
| 20:54.14 | mozrat | http://www.beerandspeech.org/index.php?/archives/31-LinuxWorld-Conference-and-Expo.html |
| 20:56.19 | mozrat | ibot welcome back |
| 20:56.23 | ibot | back, Sup yo? |
| 20:56.37 | mozrat | wow - ibot has gone all "street" |
| 20:57.03 | George | ibot: DIE BITCH |
| 20:57.04 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head, murders BITCH then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 20:58.23 | z00dax | :) |
| 20:58.28 | z00dax | you thought the other guy was me ? |
| 20:58.32 | z00dax | can happen.. |
| 20:58.59 | mozrat | z00dax: it was a 50/50 shot |
| 20:59.26 | mozrat | aww, George :) |
| 20:59.33 | George | I feel in a huggy mood today |
| 20:59.40 | George | probably because I had some bad news |
| 20:59.41 | George | lol |
| 20:59.50 | mozrat | Bad news?? |
| 20:59.57 | George | erm, yeah |
| 21:00.58 | mozrat | Worse than your laptop being delivered late? |
| 21:01.05 | George | yes |
| 21:01.06 | George | much worse |
| 21:01.21 | mozrat | oh dear |
| 21:59.39 | mozrat | wow - SLES is way more expensive than RHES |
| 22:00.08 | mozrat | SLES starts at Â510GBP with no support options |
| 22:00.30 | George | SLES is better. |
| 22:00.43 | mozrat | RHES starts at 194GBP with really basic support options |
| 22:00.56 | George | is that meant to be 10 GBP for SLES/ |
| 22:00.58 | George | or something else..? |
| 22:01.02 | mozrat | 510 |
| 22:01.23 | mozrat | for some reason I can't produce a pound sign |
| 22:01.27 | mozrat | £££ |
| 22:01.30 | mozrat | oh |
| 22:01.31 | mozrat | I can |
| 22:01.34 | mozrat | £510 |
| 22:01.53 | George | haha |
| 22:01.57 | mozrat | bugger |
| 22:02.11 | mozrat | when I type it in irssi it appears as a square |
| 22:02.17 | mozrat | *shrugs* |
| 22:02.17 | George | :) |
| 22:02.20 | George | ££££ |
| 22:02.30 | mozrat | I deserve to be shot |
| 22:02.30 | mozrat | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££ |
| 22:02.31 | George | comes up as a square here too |
| 22:02.31 | George | but in the channel view it's fine |
| 22:02.31 | mozrat | loadsmoney! |
| 22:02.32 | George | £££££££££££££££££££ |
| 22:02.38 | George | why the fuck is £ UTF-8 anyway? |
| 22:02.38 | mozrat | yes! |
| 22:02.43 | mozrat | £££ £££ £££ |
| 22:02.51 | George | £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ |
| 22:02.52 | George | hah |
| 22:02.53 | George | I win. |
| 22:03.00 | mozrat | you are way richer than me |
| 22:03.07 | George | £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ £££ |
| 22:03.08 | George | :) |
| 22:04.35 | mozrat | :) |
| 22:05.23 | mozrat | Enterprise Linux is a hard sell in my company when we get Windows 2003 server for less than £200 |
| 22:06.36 | George | heh |
| 22:06.44 | George | let's kill everyone |
| 22:07.53 | mozrat | ibot kill everyone |
| 22:07.55 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized anti-photon gun at everyone |
| 22:08.45 | mozrat | ahh hang on |
| 22:08.56 | mozrat | £510 is for 16 way servers |
| 22:09.02 | George | fool. |
| 22:09.08 | George | I nearly typed "food" then. |
| 22:09.09 | George | hrmm. |
| 22:09.16 | mozrat | £225 for up to 2 way servers |
| 22:09.45 | George | heh |
| 22:10.00 | mozrat | surprising *you* thinking about food |
| 22:10.06 | George | why are the speakers on the thinkpad so crap? |
| 22:10.27 | mozrat | cos you are comparing it to your powerbook I suspect |
| 22:10.31 | George | yes, I am |
| 22:10.49 | George | has the powerbook got particularly good speakers? |
| 22:12.31 | mozrat | I think Apple probably put more expensive speakers in yes |
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| 22:14.01 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group - Next Event: Installfest! Nov 12th, University of Westminster! |
| 22:25.53 | *** part/#gllug jackds (i=jack@82-43-52-168.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:35.56 | mozrat | foo |
| 22:42.48 | George | oof |
| 22:44.17 | mozrat | cheese++ |
| 22:44.22 | mozrat | I loves cheese |
| 22:44.30 | mozrat | do you love cheese George ? |
| 22:44.44 | George | no |
| 22:44.55 | mozrat | I do |
| 22:44.58 | mozrat | I love it |
| 22:45.03 | mozrat | Brie is a favourite |
| 22:45.24 | mozrat | but also Red Leciester |
| 22:45.30 | mozrat | Cheeder is also nice |
| 22:46.06 | mozrat | of course mozzarella is fantastic |
| 22:46.15 | mozrat | Do you even like cheese George ? |
| 22:47.33 | George | no |
| 22:47.52 | mozrat | Not even "normal" cheese like Cheddar? |
| 22:47.52 | Erwin | Where can I get some Wensleydale? |
| 22:48.26 | mozrat | Most supermarkets do it... Sainsbury, Tesco etc |
| 22:49.07 | Erwin | Oh. I usually use Waitrose. |
| 22:49.41 | mozrat | none near me |
| 22:50.50 | z00dax | if an app uses a web server behind a rrdns, how can you actually work out which IP it got ? |
| 22:50.59 | z00dax | apart from looking at netstat / iptraf sort of tools |
| 22:51.11 | Erwin | There's a Tesco Metro nearby but not nearly as large as the WR. I guess I could check it for Wensleydale. And Stinky Bishop. And an ASDA, but it's full of strange people. |
| 22:51.59 | mozrat | Erwin: employees or shoppers? :) |
| 22:52.23 | mozrat | z00dax: I dunno., but isn't there a PHP variable for something like that? |
| 22:52.40 | z00dax | mozrat, I dont have access to the webserver |
| 22:53.22 | mozrat | _SERVER["SERVER_ADDR"] |
| 22:53.26 | mozrat | oh |
| 22:53.30 | z00dax | actually stress testing a python app, and want to make sure its honouring rrdns, it seems for some strage reason, that urlgrabber seems to favour ip's with lesser digits |
| 22:54.20 | mozrat | hmm |
| 22:54.38 | mozrat | with rrdns doesn't the server return a single answer? |
| 22:54.54 | mozrat | so the client doesn't necessarily know it's round robin |
| 22:54.59 | mozrat | or am I talking crap |
| 22:55.04 | z00dax | it seems to do somethng similar to a host A lookup, and read in the param's into an array |
| 22:55.19 | mozrat | does it return multiple A records? |
| 22:55.32 | mozrat | z00dax: Do you like Cheese? |
| 22:55.33 | z00dax | host <servername> - should |
| 22:55.53 | z00dax | mozrat, as in the edible kinds or something else ? |
| 22:56.25 | mozrat | standard cheese |
| 22:56.28 | z00dax | I like Donuts, does that count ? |
| 22:57.20 | mozrat | ewh, Cheese Donuts |
| 22:57.25 | z00dax | :) |
| 22:58.57 | z00dax | backto IP issues, host returns IP's in random order, and urlgrabber seems to read them all in, in the order they are returned. so common sense would indiate the existance of some 'sorting' code that orders it |
| 22:59.07 | z00dax | to favour the IP with least digits |
| 22:59.12 | mozrat | yes |
| 22:59.16 | z00dax | but i cant seem to find anything of the nature |
| 22:59.19 | z00dax | or i am just thick |
| 22:59.25 | mozrat | if you echo array[0] does it return the same address each time? |
| 22:59.33 | mozrat | did you say python or perl? |
| 22:59.39 | z00dax | python |
| 22:59.43 | mozrat | right |
| 23:00.00 | mozrat | so 'print variable[0]' after it gets the A records |
| 23:00.21 | mozrat | does it always return a certain address in position 0? |
| 23:00.31 | z00dax | the ip's that I am working with are 192.168.1.1 .10 . 110 and .250 |
| 23:00.39 | z00dax | 80% of the time I get .1 |
| 23:00.50 | z00dax | 20% of the time the other 3 are evenly spread |
| 23:01.07 | mozrat | 80% doesn't suggest python is sorting the array |
| 23:01.10 | z00dax | yea |
| 23:01.56 | z00dax | :( sounds like a good reason to postpone till the morning, code trawling |
| 23:03.37 | AngelChild | :o |
| 23:05.56 | mozrat | yeah |
| 23:05.57 | mozrat | hi AngelChild |
| 23:06.02 | mozrat | AngelChild: Cheese? |
| 23:07.23 | AngelChild | it was a little surreal |
| 23:07.46 | mozrat | ooh |
| 23:07.54 | mozrat | did you send out invites? |
| 23:07.57 | mozrat | if so... |
| 23:08.03 | mozrat | WHERE WERE OURS???? |
| 23:08.44 | AngelChild | umm |
| 23:08.54 | AngelChild | do you live down burgess road or in wessex lane halls? |
| 23:09.02 | AngelChild | :P |
| 23:09.12 | mozrat | No :( |
| 23:12.12 | AngelChild | i would've invited you if you'd been here but it wasn't an invitational thing ^.^ |
| 23:12.20 | AngelChild | more a "hi, wanna come round?" kinda thing |
| 23:12.23 | mozrat | ah well |
| 23:12.40 | mozrat | what do you run on your pee-cee? |
| 23:13.33 | AngelChild | currently win XP, since I'm lazy. I did have gentoo but i got bored of waiting so I installed mandriva, and it worked but I broke it |
| 23:13.59 | mozrat | We are getting some classic #gllug Gentoo quotes today |
| 23:14.15 | AngelChild | hmm? :) |
| 23:14.51 | mozrat | "gentoo is being a bitch." -- George |
| 23:15.28 | AngelChild | heh |
| 23:16.02 | mozrat | "I'm going to install Gentoo...I just hope I have time" -- George |
| 23:16.19 | mozrat | "I did have gentoo but i got bored of waiting" -- AngelChild |
| 23:16.36 | AngelChild | why is it always him :s |
| 23:16.46 | mozrat | I duno |
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| 23:33.46 | Leeds | morning all |
| 23:33.58 | z00dax | morning leeds |
| 23:37.53 | mozrat | z00dax: they are very interesting |
| 23:37.58 | mozrat | esp. for me at the moment |
| 23:38.02 | mozrat | morning Leeds |
| 23:39.09 | z00dax | these are the few hours that Leeds lives in the same GenericGreeting TimeZone as us :) |
| 23:40.51 | mozrat | yes, although today I installed a widget in firefox that shows the local time in London, NYC and HK |
| 23:41.01 | mozrat | which are the 3 locations for my company |
| 23:41.11 | mozrat | and I now realise how late Leeds goes to bed everynight |
| 23:41.15 | mozrat | bad Leeds |
| 23:41.17 | mozrat | sleep more |
| 23:41.21 | Leeds | indeed |
| 23:47.50 | AngelChild | :o |
| 23:50.30 | AngelChild | my connection isn't good enough to play games, and my social life isn't advanced enough to include a partner |
| 23:54.26 | Leeds | leg does still hurt - still can't walk normally |
| 23:55.05 | z00dax | Leeds, with a reason like that, I cant believe you are even considering going to work |
| 23:56.04 | Leeds | z00dax: you're probably right |
| 23:56.23 | Leeds | sick note from doc did cover 3 days... |
| 23:57.22 | AngelChild | just don't do it |
| 23:58.46 | George | AngelChild: why aren't you at uni? |
| 23:58.57 | AngelChild | I am at uni |
| 23:59.06 | George | why aren't you using the uni network? |
| 23:59.20 | AngelChild | why should I? |
| 23:59.25 | George | because it's faster |
| 23:59.32 | AngelChild | no it isn't |
| 23:59.34 | George | :P |
| 23:59.39 | George | hrmm |
| 23:59.40 | George | you lose |
| 23:59.44 | AngelChild | it still has to travel over broadband to reach my in this house anyway |
| 23:59.49 | AngelChild | you just suck |
