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00:12.42Leedsun-zzzzzz
00:13.58CopeGeorge: yeah
00:14.40Copehi Leeds
01:30.18Leedsg'night
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08:28.34GeorgeCope: around?
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08:48.00morsing'morning!
08:48.04morsing&*%$&*%^$&
09:16.37morsingLeeds?
09:32.22Copehi George
09:33.04Georgehi Cope
09:33.07Georgeer, never mind
09:57.54morsingWhat's veritas and legato backup like to work with?
10:00.14Copeits fine - i use both the gui stuff and the cli / menu-driven stuff
10:00.21Copevery featureful and powerful
10:22.33Leedsevening all
10:24.52GeorgeI am SURE having mooncake for breakfast isn't healthy
10:26.32LeedsGeorge: I am 100% sure you're right, on this single occassion
10:33.31morsingLeeds!
10:34.57morsingIt can't be right that it's impossible to rip CDs to mp3 without Gnome!
10:35.40Leedsof course it isn't right
10:36.23morsingSo how can it be done? Console based preferably.
10:36.38LeedsI (used to) use this, IIRC: http://www.suwald.com/ripit/ripit.html
10:37.51Leedsrips to vorbis, flac or mp3, gets tags from cddb/freeddb
10:38.33Leedsthe last rip I did was 100% manual, using a combination of oggenc and cdparanoia on the command-line :-)
10:41.10murbLeeds: are you still using allofmp3?
10:41.23morsingLeeds: How?
10:41.36morsingI've got cdparanoia
10:41.51morsingAnd oggenc as well
10:42.30morsingDoes it do mp3?
10:43.06Leedsmurb: not recently, but not for any particular reason
10:43.21Leedsmorsing: no, oggenc doesn't do mp3... lame (or toolame) does though
10:45.09rhowemorsing: There's also gogo, which is a fork of lame, although I think it might be a bit out of date now
10:45.28Leedsmorsing: just use cdparanoia to rip to wav in a (large) temporary directory, and lame, toolame, gogo or a few other tools to then convert the wav to mp3
10:46.06morsingI've installed toolame now but there are no files with the word lame in them
10:46.24Leedswhat did "make install" do?
10:47.45morsingapt-get install toolame installled toolame. Found it now and linked it to lame
10:48.06morsing<PROTECTED>
10:48.09rhowemorsing: You can also pipe the output of cdparanoia to the encoder
10:48.09Georgemurb: I am
10:48.10morsing:-)
10:48.10Leedsum... toolame != lame
10:48.15Leedsso why did you link it?
10:48.23morsingLeeds: Well it works :-D
10:48.46morsingLeeds: Because ripit couldn't find it
10:49.02LeedsI'd have changed ripit
11:03.43Leedsmorsing: job done?
11:04.56morsingLeeds: Yes
11:05.12morsingAnd it's quick - only 5-6 minutes per CC
11:05.16morsingCD
11:05.16Leedsgood
11:05.38Copehi Leeds
11:05.41Copehi morsing
11:05.42Copeetc
11:05.44Leedsis toolame built for your specific CPU?
11:05.48Leedsevening Cope :-)
11:06.17morsingLeeds: N
11:06.18morsingNo
11:06.29morsing.deb
11:06.33Leedsit would potentially be quite a bit quicker if it was
11:06.48morsingWhat would you expect for a CD?
11:06.51Leedsmp3 encoding is the sort of thing which responds really well to cpu optimisations
11:07.02morsing1 minute?
11:07.49Leedsdunno in a specific sense - just that it's worth trying it out and seeing
11:09.55morsingSo how do I now burn all these directories to one CD? cdrecord and that's it?
11:10.54Leedsmkisofs to make the filesystem, then cdrecord (or cdrdao) to burn it
11:25.19morsingHow many should I expect to fit on one 80 minutes CD?
11:27.55Copemorsing: i reckon about 10 8 minute tracks
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11:28.20wethrinCope: What about 20 4-minute tracks? :)
11:28.25Copewethrin: could be done!
11:28.52wethrinI want a phone with > 1 week of battery life, dammit!
11:30.29ErwinMaybe this will do what you want :-) http://www.telephoneteca.com/MusicTeca/todeschi%204.jpg
11:33.20Georgewethrin: well, go create a fuel cell that runs off urine
11:34.31morsingCope: Really? I was expecting more like 80 - 100 8 minute tracks
11:34.55morsingWe'll see
11:36.03Copemorsing: oh i see - compressed data
13:13.20morsingOk, how do I tell ripit to make mp3?
13:15.59morsingLeeds?
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13:47.08rhoweibot change 80 eur to gbp
13:54.47morsingWhat is MPEG 1.0 layer 2 audio stream data?
13:59.02morsingThis is confusing?
14:02.56rhoweIt's MPEG audio
14:04.01rhowemorsing: At 128Kbit/s, MP3 is about 10 times smaller than regular CD audio
14:04.15rhowemorsing: So expect to get around 800 minutes on an 800MiB CD
14:06.33rhowemorsing: CD audio (16 bits at 44100Hz samplerate) is about (((16/8) * 44100 * 60) / (2^6)) =~ 10MiB/min. 128Kbit/s is ((128/8) * 60 ~= 1MiB/min
14:26.52gregjmorsing: that is mp2
14:26.56gregjmorsing: layer 3 is mp3
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15:23.46rhoweibot: change 238 eur to gbp
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15:28.32Leedsevening Bytewar
15:28.46BytewarGood Evening Leeds
15:29.22BytewarAnything Happening
15:30.09LeedsI'm going to bed soon... work in the morning
15:30.34Bytewaryou must have an early start then
15:30.35Leedshad a tiring picnic/bbq by the beach today :-)
15:30.51Leedsnah, but I'm not quite in a London timezone...
15:31.38Bytewartake it you not in leeds
15:32.02Leedsnope
15:32.45Leedsa few thousand miles east :-)
15:33.08BytewarA bit of a hike to goto gllug meetings
15:34.09Leedswhen we say Greater, we really mean it :-)
15:34.51BytewarLOL
15:35.26BytewarYou work with linux or is it a hobby
15:35.56Leedsboth
15:36.15Bytewarme too
15:36.27Leedsstarted as a 'hobby' while I was at Uni, been working with Unix at least ever since
15:37.26Bytewarstarted with windoze and moved on to linux still have to support MS though
15:37.35Leedsah well
15:39.01Bytewarwhat you workiing on at the moment, I am driving myself cracy with openldap
15:39.07Leedsbras
15:40.15BytewarNever heard of that one well not in Linux context
15:40.28LeedsI am working at a bra company :-)
15:40.42BytewarSupport ?
15:40.55Leedsahem
15:41.38Leedsmore content management
15:42.03BytewarLOL do you use cups for printing
15:42.16Leedscertainly do!
15:43.07Bytewarnice one got to go kids need feeding
15:43.14Leedsenjoy
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15:58.47jason_ukfsnhello all
16:04.47Leedsmorning
16:06.13jason_ukfsnI'd have thought it would be evening there
16:06.41jason_ukfsnI've just installed ubuntu 5.10 - very impressive
16:07.08Leedsjust after midnight :-)
16:07.18jason_ukfsnah!
16:07.19jason_ukfsnah!
16:07.25LeedsI should really take a look at ubuntu at some point, I guess
16:07.42LeedsI'm put off by the Debian-ness
16:07.56jason_ukfsnit's very much aimed that the 99% of users who couldn't care less about geek things and just want a computer to do things with.
16:08.38jason_ukfsnI think the default install is a little too light on multimedia things as they have a "free software" only policy and that means it lacks support for important things like mp3, most video codecs, etc
16:09.54Leedsthat whole grey area is pretty annoying
16:10.40jason_ukfsnI've just seen someone claim that MS sent cease and desist notices to someone hosting w32codecs
16:11.08Leedsthat is a less grey area
16:11.12jason_ukfsnWhile stupid software patents are possible proper support will be restricted to MS platform only and those willing to pay them a large amount of money
16:11.59Leedsdmca plays a pretty big part too - having to be licensed to access your own media
16:12.20jason_ukfsnI agree that the w32codecs things is fairly clear copyright infringement. That said we should be permitted to implement our own libs to handle the codecs and patents plus dmca make that impossible.
16:13.51jason_ukfsnI'm somewhat tempted to resurrect definite linux as a branch of ubuntu with the necessary multimedia bits put in plus a bunch of other things that are easily available in ubuntu if you know to look for them.
16:14.41murbhow much would it cost to license said codecs and sell them as a package?
16:14.47Leedsyou consider it legally safe to do so in this country?
16:14.52jason_ukfsnI've no idea.
16:14.57murbso you'd get base distribution free. and pay for the add ons?
16:15.03Leedsuh, 'that' country :-)
16:15.12jason_ukfsnI wouldn't include the codecs but things like mp3 support are safe here as that's not a copyright issue but a patent one
16:15.14LeedsI would consider it reasonably safe in this country :-)
16:15.35murbjason_ukfsn: well you'd be licesening the patents on the codecs.
16:16.10jason_ukfsnI'm not wealthy enough to even think about getting involved in patent license talks
16:16.50Leedsif you licensed it you'd be pay-for/convenient against free/inconvenient...
16:16.51jason_ukfsnin fact I'm not wealthy at all ;)
16:17.32jason_ukfsnI think there might be a secondary issue with w32codecs in that MS have political reasons to deny access as well as financial ones
16:17.40murbjason_ukfsn: for the benift of the online logging?
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16:45.04JAVhello!
16:45.13jason_ukfsnhi JAV
16:50.42Leeds'night all
16:57.06jason_ukfsngood night
17:03.39JAVnn Leeds
17:37.52George...what are you measuring?
17:38.38wethrinDoes it matter?
17:38.47Georgeyes.
17:39.29wethrinNot necessarily. One measurement will then affect the conjugate
17:40.21Georgearsehole
17:40.36wethrinfeck orff
17:41.03George:P
17:51.27Copehi George
17:51.33Georgehey Cope
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21:20.34George<PROTECTED>
21:25.40new2unixGeorge: what did you do to all your users?
21:26.01GeorgeI'm the only user
21:26.04GeorgeI'm a selfish sysadmin
21:29.41Copelol
21:29.51CopeI like the 22:22 .... 222 days
21:31.09Georgehehehe
21:31.15stephenI discovered yesterday that 2.6 kernels store uptime as a 64 bit integer, so don't overflow to 0 after 497 days
21:31.21stephen22:22:18 up 498 days,  5:40,  1 user,  load average: 0.31, 0.34, 0.31
21:33.09new2unixon my blueberry imac running 10.3.9: 22:31  up 2 days, 22:40, 3 users, load averages: 0.00 0.00 0.06
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