00:05.57 | Leeds | morning all |
00:09.09 | JAV | morning Leeds |
00:17.22 | \simon | goodnight all |
00:25.02 | mozrat | moin Leeds |
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05:17.50 | new2unix | moin all |
06:06.43 | Leeds | afternoon |
06:06.48 | murb | moni |
06:06.52 | murb | moin even |
06:07.46 | Leeds | ibot change 70 hkd to gbp |
06:08.33 | murb | ibot change curry lunch into früstuck |
06:09.19 | Leeds | that was for 2 of us, meal, rice and drinks |
06:18.23 | mozrat | morning |
06:23.42 | murb | depends on your timezone. |
06:33.36 | mozrat | murb, here it is Morning |
06:33.57 | murb | mozrat: here? |
06:34.16 | mozrat | Your default time zone is set to 'Africa/Johannesburg'. |
06:34.16 | mozrat | Local time is now: Mon Oct 10 08:34:06 SAST 2005. |
06:34.16 | mozrat | Universal Time is now: Mon Oct 10 06:34:06 UTC 2005. |
07:02.32 | Leeds | time is an illusion |
07:05.03 | Leeds | Local time doubly so |
08:13.07 | ufo | mozrat: can you see the sea? |
08:13.51 | Leeds | ufo: from jo'burg??? |
08:14.06 | ufo | its just a time zone ... |
08:14.13 | ufo | btw morning :D |
08:14.30 | Leeds | he may have moved on, but he was actually in jo'burg last week |
08:14.37 | ufo | Leeds: I dont know where he exactly is |
08:14.46 | ufo | I didnt know |
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08:16.26 | Leeds | mozrat: hey, we're talking about you! |
08:17.31 | mozrat | helo |
08:17.34 | mozrat | ufo no! |
08:17.43 | mozrat | Johannesburg is nowhere near the coast |
08:18.04 | mozrat | still in Jo'burg - Cape Town on Wes |
08:18.08 | mozrat | Weds |
08:18.13 | Leeds | http://mdmechiang.blogspot.com/2005/10/what.html |
08:18.24 | mozrat | usual post migration morning madness today |
08:18.41 | mozrat | as ufo knows when I broke^H^H^H^H^H migrated his office :) |
08:19.07 | ufo | ;) |
08:19.19 | ufo | we've done it together, I mean it was my fault ... |
08:19.38 | mozrat | oh yes... I forgot |
08:19.40 | mozrat | :) |
08:19.51 | ufo | yeah, sure |
08:19.54 | mozrat | hehehe |
08:20.14 | mozrat | ufo - we didn't finish until 0400 today |
08:20.22 | mozrat | and had to be here at 0730 |
08:20.25 | mozrat | SUCKS |
08:20.28 | ufo | nice |
08:20.35 | ufo | with whom you are there? |
08:20.48 | mozrat | EIG |
08:20.50 | ufo | how many wks? |
08:20.50 | George | ello |
08:20.57 | mozrat | ufo, 1 week |
08:21.01 | mozrat | George: Morning |
08:21.11 | Leeds | morning George |
08:25.37 | Cope | hello |
08:25.44 | George | hey Cope |
08:25.48 | Cope | hi George |
08:26.13 | Leeds | morning Cope |
08:30.02 | Cope | hello Leeds |
08:38.43 | morsing | Leeds! mozrat! ufo! George! Cope! |
08:39.31 | Leeds | morsing! |
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08:43.59 | ufo | :) |
08:45.08 | morsing | kbsingh! |
08:45.44 | kbsingh | hi morsing |
08:50.14 | mozrat | morsing! |
08:52.29 | Leeds | anyone got any particular idea why knoppix might be seeing a laptop hard drive as sda rather than hda? |
08:52.57 | Leeds | apparently with a scsi controller called "ata_piix |
08:52.59 | Leeds | " |
09:03.38 | Leeds | no-one? |
09:03.50 | mozrat | not i |
09:03.59 | kbsingh | that sounds like a sata driver iirc |
09:04.40 | Leeds | kbsingh: that was my first thought, but firstly Dell list that machine as having ATA-100, and secondly I think piix is a pretty established ata chipset |
09:11.05 | morsing | Mmm... nmon |
09:34.40 | kbsingh | ata_piix is a submodule of libata |
09:35.43 | kbsingh | no idea why that would be loaded up though, for a pata drive |
09:35.53 | Leeds | kbsingh: so it is sata? |
09:37.15 | kbsingh | can you dmidecode the box ? and see what devices are actually in there |
09:38.30 | Leeds | I can't do much - I'm in Hong Kong and the machine is in Israel... |
09:38.31 | rhowe | Leeds: libata shows all ATA devices as SCSI, PATA (IDE) or SATA |
09:39.00 | Leeds | rhowe: ah, silly |
09:39.03 | rhowe | Leeds: So, if you're somehow using the libata version of the piix driver, that'd explain it. Not sure what the status of libata support in mainline is, though |
09:40.51 | Leeds | argh |
09:48.26 | Cope | hi rhowe :) |
09:48.31 | Leeds | okay, afterstep is really annoying me today |
09:49.49 | morsing | What's SMTP 554 message? |
09:51.54 | rhowe | someone's got worms |
09:52.17 | morsing | rhowe: Too bad. Are you taking something for it? |
09:52.26 | rhowe | morsing: It's not me |
09:52.36 | rhowe | morsing: I'm about to make a stern phone call |
09:52.41 | rhowe | Except... it's engaged |
09:53.00 | rhowe | cinvenient |
09:53.39 | Cope | morsing: Transaction failed |
10:00.34 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/tmp/waronterror.wmv << Funny, worksafe, 3MB |
10:00.52 | mozrat | well, Funny and scary if you are Australian |
10:07.18 | Leeds | ARGH! |
10:12.52 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
10:12.59 | Cope | python thingy |
10:14.18 | Leeds | Cope: you could have given me a bit more notice! :-) |
10:15.18 | Cope | :) |
10:15.55 | Cope | Leeds: we've just installed SCO on an ml570 |
10:16.38 | Leeds | ARGH!!!! |
10:17.12 | Leeds | running SQL command from sqsh works... running it from an interactive python prompt works... running it from a python cgi never completes!!!! |
10:19.38 | Leeds | Cope: SCO what? |
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10:23.24 | \simon | 'morning |
10:23.43 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
10:23.54 | \simon | hi morsing what's up today |
10:24.02 | morsing | nmon |
10:24.15 | \simon | you fixed it right? |
10:24.42 | morsing | Mmm... I (Leeds) made it complete without core dumping |
10:24.50 | morsing | But that was nmon2rrd not nmon |
10:25.20 | morsing | Just sent an email to the author asking if I could have the source code for nmon which it not available |
10:25.33 | morsing | Don't think he'll say yes but worth a try |
10:25.34 | \simon | isnt there anything around easier to install? |
10:25.56 | Cope | SCO UNIX :) |
10:26.07 | Leeds | Cope: *which* SCO UNIX? |
10:26.13 | Cope | that one ---> |
10:26.23 | \simon | ohhhh here he is... hi Leeds! :) |
10:27.05 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
10:27.21 | morsing | And nmon is still the best there is for this sort of thing |
10:28.37 | Leeds | \simon: hi |
10:31.53 | morsing | Is rrd easy to use? |
10:32.13 | \simon | yes |
10:32.51 | \simon | i gave it a try some time ago to build some graphs and following the how-to and tutorial you get what you want pretty fast |
10:34.47 | morsing | Sounds good |
10:55.35 | \simon | why dont you look around if there is anything else similar |
10:56.16 | \simon | i dont know your needings... for me phpsysinfo works pretty well |
11:01.40 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
11:01.55 | Leeds | now that's a good non-English word: "needings" :-) |
11:02.59 | \simon | thanks Leeds :) |
11:10.18 | Leeds | someone here was into mepis... right? |
11:14.26 | \simon | brb |
11:14.46 | Leeds | anyway, just saw a nice positive comment about it |
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11:22.04 | mozrat | hey cup |
11:22.21 | cup | afternoon |
11:24.05 | Leeds | homtime |
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11:27.20 | cup | there is a linux expo this week? |
11:28.47 | Cope | no... I should change that! |
11:36.00 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
11:36.13 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG. You could have seen us at Olympia last week |
11:38.16 | wethrin | Better? :) |
11:43.18 | Cope | I'm trying to allow sftp using key-based authentication; I've verified this works with ssh and an interactive shell; and now set the ftp user's login shell to /bin/true. /bin/true is in /etc/shells, all directories in the /path/to/ftp/user are chmod'd a+x but when I try to sftp a test file, the client debug output says: couldn't canonicalise - permission denied - after accepting keys and calling the sftp subsystem; What have I missed? |
11:43.18 | wethrin | Submit to it |
11:43.40 | Cope | makes no difference if there's an interactive shell either - same error |
11:44.09 | wethrin | Is the appropriate one also chmodded +w ? |
11:47.41 | Cope | no |
11:47.47 | Cope | if it was sshd would bitch |
11:48.37 | wethrin | Use the source? :-) |
11:48.51 | wethrin | Find where it'd say "couldn't canonicalise", and see what it tries to do just before then |
11:51.02 | Cope | :) |
11:55.05 | Erwin | so you can ssh in then, if the user has an ordinary shell, and use key-based auth? |
11:58.19 | wethrin | Cope: do you have a couple of minutes to look over an email for me before I send it, please? |
11:59.31 | Cope | wethrin: sure |
11:59.34 | wethrin | Excellent |
11:59.42 | Cope | Erwin: yes |
12:11.47 | morsing | wethrin: You're up! |
12:12.41 | wethrin | Yup |
12:12.58 | wethrin | And I'm off to lunch! |
12:13.32 | morsing | Mmm... Lunch |
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13:02.19 | morsing | mozrat: Is that not allowed? |
13:02.40 | morsing | Are there any squid stats software around? |
13:11.02 | mozrat | mozrat starts the telnet and messenger service on said users machine |
13:11.21 | mozrat | and does a net send $COMPUTERNAME please don't do that message |
13:11.28 | mozrat | from himself |
13:13.55 | JAV | afternoon |
13:17.43 | George | hey mozrat |
13:19.07 | George | seems my crypto talk was ok |
13:19.19 | George | although I thought it was crap, my teacher said that I displayed a genuine interest in it |
13:19.22 | George | lol |
13:22.18 | George | I think that's because I ended up bringing general knowledge into it because I don't know RSA in as much depth as I'd like |
13:33.07 | JAV | oracle buys Innobase :-O |
13:41.24 | Cope | umm |
13:41.28 | Cope | returns, I think |
13:42.20 | George | heya Cope |
13:42.26 | mozrat | George: nice one |
13:42.36 | George | mozrat: heh |
13:42.42 | mozrat | Are you faulty Cope? |
13:42.53 | George | mozrat: I think I impressed the teacher when I said "I couldn't work out how to calculate this value... so I wrote a program to do it for me" |
13:43.16 | George | heh |
14:02.44 | murb | init 6 |
14:07.55 | Cope | sending all processes the KILL signal |
14:13.01 | murb | wrong, i hacked the killall5 to ignore proccesses called nbd-client. |
14:16.33 | George | gentoo is being a bitch. |
14:16.57 | Cope | how so? |
14:17.28 | George | portage won't compile |
14:23.28 | Cope | use a binary package then ;-) |
14:23.59 | Erwin | I thought portage was written in Python. |
14:24.14 | George | well, sandbox |
14:24.53 | Cope | what's that, then, George ? |
14:25.00 | George | I have no idea |
14:25.01 | George | but I give up |
14:25.07 | George | I'll just reinstall gentoo when I have time |
14:25.14 | morsing | mozrat: Which site/type of site was it? |
14:25.18 | George | this machine hasn't had an upgrade since.. oh... sometime in 2004 |
14:25.26 | George | s/upgrade/install/ |
14:25.33 | George | and it's been progressively upgraded |
14:25.40 | George | which is probably not a good thing |
14:26.12 | morsing | mozrat: ? |
14:26.17 | morsing | George: Stop talking |
14:26.24 | George | morsing: shut up, biatchj |
14:26.40 | George | I'll upgrade it over half term |
14:26.55 | morsing | ibot biatchj |
14:27.05 | George | ibot biatchj is morsing |
14:27.07 | ibot | okay, George |
14:27.11 | morsing | George: Stop talking |
14:27.13 | morsing | ibot biatchj |
14:27.14 | ibot | rumour has it, biatchj is morsing |
14:27.27 | Cope | George: that sounds a bit crap |
14:27.55 | Cope | George: I've had debian boxes which have been continuously upgraded for years that don't break and require a reinstallation |
14:27.57 | George | Cope: they did some pretty fundamental changes to amd64 at the start of 2005 |
14:28.05 | Cope | sounds rather like gentoo is a bit like windows |
14:28.13 | George | ie - multilib support |
14:28.18 | Cope | sure |
14:28.21 | George | I think that was more a linux change than gentoo |
14:28.27 | George | and I think I fucked up the upgrade process ;) |
14:28.35 | George | and this is a very delayed symptom |
14:28.45 | Cope | well I havce no 64 bit amd boxes |
14:28.51 | George | doesn't matter, this machine can be up and running again perfectly in about a day |
14:28.53 | Cope | so i can't comment |
14:28.53 | George | which isn't too bad |
14:29.13 | George | so long as I don't lose the RAID :D |
14:29.20 | George | <PROTECTED> |
14:42.30 | morsing | Where does netstat get it's information from? |
14:42.36 | George | oh well, I've just told portage to download the source packages for every package currently installed |
14:42.52 | George | currently grabbing at about 2-2.5Mbit/s |
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14:54.27 | morsing | Erwin! |
15:00.11 | George | ibot morsing |
15:00.15 | ibot | [morsing] a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix. |
15:00.23 | George | LOL |
15:00.35 | George | ibot: karma morsing |
15:00.35 | ibot | morsing has neutral karma |
15:00.43 | George | ibot karma george |
15:00.43 | ibot | george has neutral karma |
15:01.03 | George | ibot george |
15:01.04 | ibot | i heard george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
15:01.28 | George | heh. |
15:02.25 | morsing | ibot George is also a genious |
15:02.26 | ibot | morsing: cannot alter locked factoids |
15:02.32 | morsing | Hmm... |
15:02.50 | George | genius, isn't it? |
15:03.01 | morsing | ibot George is also a genius |
15:03.04 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, morsing |
15:03.13 | George | unlock george |
15:03.23 | George | ~unlock george |
15:03.25 | morsing | ibot unlock George |
15:03.32 | morsing | ibot? |
15:03.32 | George | only I can unlock george |
15:03.40 | George | hrmm |
15:03.40 | George | odd |
15:03.44 | George | I used to be able to do |
15:03.44 | morsing | George unluck George |
15:03.45 | George | oh well :) |
15:03.54 | morsing | ERROR: can't parse DEF '/usr/local/bin/nmon-f-t-s300-c288=ioadapt.rrd:/usr/local/bin/nmon-f-t-s300-c288:AVERAGE' |
15:12.32 | George | what's the best way to move /usr to a separate partition? |
15:12.39 | George | remount -o remount,ro / |
15:12.49 | George | then cp -av /usr/* /mnt/tmp/ |
15:12.50 | George | ? |
15:13.23 | murb | George: what about linked files? |
15:13.32 | murb | and files beginning . |
15:13.36 | George | hrmm |
15:13.39 | murb | which * won't match |
15:13.40 | George | I dunno. |
15:13.48 | George | tar? |
15:13.52 | murb | and extended attributes. |
15:14.00 | murb | George: rsync? |
15:14.02 | murb | man rsync |
15:14.08 | murb | see -H |
15:14.13 | murb | and -a |
15:14.14 | George | tar -cpvf - /usr | tar -xpvf -? |
15:14.48 | murb | George: or ( cd /usr && tar cpf - . ) | ( cd /target && tar xpf - ) # ? |
15:15.03 | Erwin | I prefer rsync |
15:15.22 | morsing | I always use tar for this. Much better than rsync |
15:15.33 | murb | Erwin: doesn't help in teh extened attributes thing. |
15:15.58 | murb | morsing: tar isn't very good for making incremental updates though over a low bandwidth link. |
15:16.24 | murb | I quite like lvm snapshots, followed by rsync to remote machine. |
15:16.44 | murb | then cp -arl current-backup `date +%Y%m%d` |
15:19.44 | \simon | why -l? |
15:21.54 | \simon | how can you link on different partitions? |
15:22.52 | morsing | murb: I assume he's copying /usr to the same disk |
15:23.22 | murb | \simon: to save space with incrimental backups. |
15:25.22 | \simon | if you were still talking about George copy his /usr... he said: |
15:25.25 | \simon | 17:12 < George> what's the best way to move /usr to a separate partition? |
15:25.53 | \simon | you cannot create links between two different partitions... not that i know of |
15:27.29 | \simon | on top of that... i would say that linking is not the right choice to backup |
15:28.04 | \simon | since when you modify the original file... the backupped one is modified too |
15:28.19 | George | link? |
15:28.20 | George | I'm copying |
15:28.32 | \simon | George: murb suggested cp -l |
15:28.33 | George | I'm currently using tar to copy the contents of /usr to my target partition |
15:28.40 | George | which will then be mounted on top of /usr |
15:29.42 | \simon | everything i said was related to the use of the flag -l with cp |
15:30.52 | \simon | sorry maybe i mixed up different talks :) |
15:36.49 | morsing | Pine finished -- Closed folder "INBOX". Kept all 213 messages. |
15:40.23 | morsing | ibot bungle |
15:40.52 | morsing | Who is Bungle? |
15:42.21 | morsing | http://www.bunglefever.com/ |
15:54.38 | morsing | Mmm... TWiki |
15:55.06 | Cope | :() |
15:55.22 | George | Cope: you have a large mouth |
15:55.36 | George | Cope: there also seem to be a couple of holes in your cheeks |
15:55.39 | morsing | :)( |
15:56.34 | Cope | fat fingers |
15:58.24 | George | :P |
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16:09.04 | morsing | Leeds! |
16:12.40 | Leeds | morning all! |
16:15.50 | Leeds | aka a random day off work :-) |
16:16.28 | morsing | We're having an OA day tomorrow |
16:16.32 | morsing | Yay |
16:17.49 | Leeds | fun |
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