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00:05.57Leedsmorning all
00:09.09JAVmorning Leeds
00:17.22\simongoodnight all
00:25.02mozratmoin Leeds
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05:17.50new2unixmoin all
06:06.43Leedsafternoon
06:06.48murbmoni
06:06.52murbmoin even
06:07.46Leedsibot change 70 hkd to gbp
06:08.33murbibot change curry lunch into früstuck
06:09.19Leedsthat was for 2 of us, meal, rice and drinks
06:18.23mozratmorning
06:23.42murbdepends on your timezone.
06:33.36mozratmurb, here it is Morning
06:33.57murbmozrat: here?
06:34.16mozratYour default time zone is set to 'Africa/Johannesburg'.
06:34.16mozratLocal time is now:      Mon Oct 10 08:34:06 SAST 2005.
06:34.16mozratUniversal Time is now:  Mon Oct 10 06:34:06 UTC 2005.
07:02.32Leedstime is an illusion
07:05.03LeedsLocal time doubly so
08:13.07ufomozrat: can you see the sea?
08:13.51Leedsufo: from jo'burg???
08:14.06ufoits just a time zone ...
08:14.13ufobtw morning :D
08:14.30Leedshe may have moved on, but he was actually in jo'burg last week
08:14.37ufoLeeds: I dont know where he exactly is
08:14.46ufoI didnt know
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08:16.26Leedsmozrat: hey, we're talking about you!
08:17.31mozrathelo
08:17.34mozratufo no!
08:17.43mozratJohannesburg is nowhere near the coast
08:18.04mozratstill in Jo'burg - Cape Town on Wes
08:18.08mozratWeds
08:18.13Leedshttp://mdmechiang.blogspot.com/2005/10/what.html
08:18.24mozratusual post migration morning madness today
08:18.41mozratas ufo knows when I broke^H^H^H^H^H migrated his office :)
08:19.07ufo;)
08:19.19ufowe've done it together, I mean it was my fault ...
08:19.38mozratoh yes... I forgot
08:19.40mozrat:)
08:19.51ufoyeah, sure
08:19.54mozrathehehe
08:20.14mozratufo - we didn't finish until 0400 today
08:20.22mozratand had to be here at 0730
08:20.25mozratSUCKS
08:20.28ufonice
08:20.35ufowith whom you are there?
08:20.48mozratEIG
08:20.50ufohow many wks?
08:20.50Georgeello
08:20.57mozratufo, 1 week
08:21.01mozratGeorge: Morning
08:21.11Leedsmorning George
08:25.37Copehello
08:25.44Georgehey Cope
08:25.48Copehi George
08:26.13Leedsmorning Cope
08:30.02Copehello Leeds
08:38.43morsingLeeds! mozrat! ufo! George! Cope!
08:39.31Leedsmorsing!
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08:43.59ufo:)
08:45.08morsingkbsingh!
08:45.44kbsinghhi morsing
08:50.14mozratmorsing!
08:52.29Leedsanyone got any particular idea why knoppix might be seeing a laptop hard drive as sda rather than hda?
08:52.57Leedsapparently with a scsi controller called "ata_piix
08:52.59Leeds"
09:03.38Leedsno-one?
09:03.50mozratnot i
09:03.59kbsinghthat sounds like a sata driver iirc
09:04.40Leedskbsingh: that was my first thought, but firstly Dell list that machine as having ATA-100, and secondly I think piix is a pretty established ata chipset
09:11.05morsingMmm... nmon
09:34.40kbsinghata_piix is a submodule of libata
09:35.43kbsinghno idea why that would be loaded up though, for a pata drive
09:35.53Leedskbsingh: so it is sata?
09:37.15kbsinghcan you dmidecode the box ? and see what devices are actually in there
09:38.30LeedsI can't do much - I'm in Hong Kong and the machine is in Israel...
09:38.31rhoweLeeds: libata shows all ATA devices as SCSI, PATA (IDE) or SATA
09:39.00Leedsrhowe: ah, silly
09:39.03rhoweLeeds: So, if you're somehow using the libata version of the piix driver, that'd explain it. Not sure what the status of libata support in mainline is, though
09:40.51Leedsargh
09:48.26Copehi rhowe :)
09:48.31Leedsokay, afterstep is really annoying me today
09:49.49morsingWhat's SMTP 554 message?
09:51.54rhowesomeone's got worms
09:52.17morsingrhowe: Too bad. Are you taking something for it?
09:52.26rhowemorsing: It's not me
09:52.36rhowemorsing: I'm about to make a stern phone call
09:52.41rhoweExcept... it's engaged
09:53.00rhowecinvenient
09:53.39Copemorsing: Transaction failed
10:00.34mozrathttp://beerandspeech.org/tmp/waronterror.wmv << Funny, worksafe, 3MB
10:00.52mozratwell, Funny and scary if you are Australian
10:07.18LeedsARGH!
10:12.52Cope<PROTECTED>
10:12.59Copepython thingy
10:14.18LeedsCope: you could have given me a bit more notice! :-)
10:15.18Cope:)
10:15.55CopeLeeds: we've just installed SCO on an ml570
10:16.38LeedsARGH!!!!
10:17.12Leedsrunning SQL command from sqsh works... running it from an interactive python prompt works... running it from a python cgi never completes!!!!
10:19.38LeedsCope: SCO what?
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10:23.24\simon'morning
10:23.43morsing<PROTECTED>
10:23.54\simonhi morsing what's up today
10:24.02morsingnmon
10:24.15\simonyou fixed it right?
10:24.42morsingMmm... I (Leeds) made it complete without core dumping
10:24.50morsingBut that was nmon2rrd not nmon
10:25.20morsingJust sent an email to the author asking if I could have the source code for nmon which it not available
10:25.33morsingDon't think he'll say yes but worth a try
10:25.34\simonisnt there anything around easier to install?
10:25.56CopeSCO UNIX :)
10:26.07LeedsCope: *which* SCO UNIX?
10:26.13Copethat one --->
10:26.23\simonohhhh here he is... hi Leeds! :)
10:27.05morsing<PROTECTED>
10:27.21morsingAnd nmon is still the best there is for this sort of thing
10:28.37Leeds\simon: hi
10:31.53morsingIs rrd easy to use?
10:32.13\simonyes
10:32.51\simoni gave it a try some time ago to build some graphs and following the how-to and tutorial you get what you want pretty fast
10:34.47morsingSounds good
10:55.35\simonwhy dont you look around if there is anything else similar
10:56.16\simoni dont know your needings... for me phpsysinfo works pretty well
11:01.40morsing<PROTECTED>
11:01.55Leedsnow that's a good non-English word: "needings" :-)
11:02.59\simonthanks Leeds :)
11:10.18Leedssomeone here was into mepis... right?
11:14.26\simonbrb
11:14.46Leedsanyway, just saw a nice positive comment about it
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11:22.04mozrathey cup
11:22.21cupafternoon
11:24.05Leedshomtime
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11:27.20cupthere is a linux expo this week?
11:28.47Copeno... I should change that!
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11:36.13*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG. You could have seen us at Olympia last week
11:38.16wethrinBetter? :)
11:43.18CopeI'm trying to allow sftp using key-based authentication; I've verified this works with ssh and an interactive shell; and now set the ftp user's login shell to /bin/true.  /bin/true is in /etc/shells, all directories in the /path/to/ftp/user are chmod'd a+x but when I try to sftp a test file, the client debug output says: couldn't canonicalise - permission denied - after accepting keys and calling the sftp subsystem; What have I missed?
11:43.18wethrinSubmit to it
11:43.40Copemakes no difference if there's an interactive shell either - same error
11:44.09wethrinIs the appropriate one also chmodded +w ?
11:47.41Copeno
11:47.47Copeif it was sshd would bitch
11:48.37wethrinUse the source? :-)
11:48.51wethrinFind where it'd say "couldn't canonicalise", and see what it tries to do just before then
11:51.02Cope:)
11:55.05Erwinso you can ssh in then, if the user has an ordinary shell, and use key-based auth?
11:58.19wethrinCope: do you have a couple of minutes to look over an email for me before I send it, please?
11:59.31Copewethrin: sure
11:59.34wethrinExcellent
11:59.42CopeErwin: yes
12:11.47morsingwethrin: You're up!
12:12.41wethrinYup
12:12.58wethrinAnd I'm off to lunch!
12:13.32morsingMmm... Lunch
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13:02.19morsingmozrat: Is that not allowed?
13:02.40morsingAre there any squid stats software around?
13:11.02mozratmozrat starts the telnet and messenger service on said users machine
13:11.21mozratand does a net send $COMPUTERNAME please don't do that message
13:11.28mozratfrom himself
13:13.55JAVafternoon
13:17.43Georgehey mozrat
13:19.07Georgeseems my crypto talk was ok
13:19.19Georgealthough I thought it was crap, my teacher said that I displayed a genuine interest in it
13:19.22Georgelol
13:22.18GeorgeI think that's because I ended up bringing general knowledge into it because I don't know RSA in as much depth as I'd like
13:33.07JAVoracle buys Innobase  :-O
13:41.24Copeumm
13:41.28Copereturns, I think
13:42.20Georgeheya Cope
13:42.26mozratGeorge: nice one
13:42.36Georgemozrat: heh
13:42.42mozratAre you faulty Cope?
13:42.53Georgemozrat: I think I impressed the teacher when I said "I couldn't work out how to calculate this value... so I wrote a program to do it for me"
13:43.16Georgeheh
14:02.44murbinit 6
14:07.55Copesending all processes the KILL signal
14:13.01murbwrong, i hacked the killall5 to ignore proccesses called nbd-client.
14:16.33Georgegentoo is being a bitch.
14:16.57Copehow so?
14:17.28Georgeportage won't compile
14:23.28Copeuse a binary package then ;-)
14:23.59ErwinI thought portage was written in Python.
14:24.14Georgewell, sandbox
14:24.53Copewhat's that, then, George ?
14:25.00GeorgeI have no idea
14:25.01Georgebut I give up
14:25.07GeorgeI'll just reinstall gentoo when I have time
14:25.14morsingmozrat: Which site/type of site was it?
14:25.18Georgethis machine hasn't had an upgrade since.. oh... sometime in 2004
14:25.26Georges/upgrade/install/
14:25.33Georgeand it's been progressively upgraded
14:25.40Georgewhich is probably not a good thing
14:26.12morsingmozrat: ?
14:26.17morsingGeorge: Stop talking
14:26.24Georgemorsing: shut up, biatchj
14:26.40GeorgeI'll upgrade it over half term
14:26.55morsingibot biatchj
14:27.05Georgeibot biatchj is morsing
14:27.07ibotokay, George
14:27.11morsingGeorge: Stop talking
14:27.13morsingibot biatchj
14:27.14ibotrumour has it, biatchj is morsing
14:27.27CopeGeorge: that sounds a bit crap
14:27.55CopeGeorge: I've had debian boxes which have been continuously upgraded for years that don't break and require a reinstallation
14:27.57GeorgeCope: they did some pretty fundamental changes to amd64 at the start of 2005
14:28.05Copesounds rather like gentoo is a bit like windows
14:28.13Georgeie - multilib support
14:28.18Copesure
14:28.21GeorgeI think that was more a linux change than gentoo
14:28.27Georgeand I think I fucked up the upgrade process ;)
14:28.35Georgeand this is a very delayed symptom
14:28.45Copewell I havce no 64 bit amd boxes
14:28.51Georgedoesn't matter, this machine can be up and running again perfectly in about a day
14:28.53Copeso i can't comment
14:28.53Georgewhich isn't too bad
14:29.13Georgeso long as I don't lose the RAID :D
14:29.20George<PROTECTED>
14:42.30morsingWhere does netstat get it's information from?
14:42.36Georgeoh well, I've just told portage to download the source packages for every package currently installed
14:42.52Georgecurrently grabbing at about 2-2.5Mbit/s
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14:54.27morsingErwin!
15:00.11Georgeibot morsing
15:00.15ibot[morsing] a nice and very knowledgeable guy who often buys rounds of beer, or mozrat, or living in a virtual universe where AIX resembles Unix.
15:00.23GeorgeLOL
15:00.35Georgeibot: karma morsing
15:00.35ibotmorsing has neutral karma
15:00.43Georgeibot karma george
15:00.43ibotgeorge has neutral karma
15:01.03Georgeibot george
15:01.04iboti heard george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel
15:01.28Georgeheh.
15:02.25morsingibot George is also a genious
15:02.26ibotmorsing: cannot alter locked factoids
15:02.32morsingHmm...
15:02.50Georgegenius, isn't it?
15:03.01morsingibot George is also a genius
15:03.04ibotcannot alter locked factoids, morsing
15:03.13Georgeunlock george
15:03.23George~unlock george
15:03.25morsingibot unlock George
15:03.32morsingibot?
15:03.32Georgeonly I can unlock george
15:03.40Georgehrmm
15:03.40Georgeodd
15:03.44GeorgeI used to be able to do
15:03.44morsingGeorge unluck George
15:03.45Georgeoh well :)
15:03.54morsingERROR: can't parse DEF '/usr/local/bin/nmon-f-t-s300-c288=ioadapt.rrd:/usr/local/bin/nmon-f-t-s300-c288:AVERAGE'
15:12.32Georgewhat's the best way to move /usr to a separate partition?
15:12.39Georgeremount -o remount,ro /
15:12.49Georgethen cp -av /usr/* /mnt/tmp/
15:12.50George?
15:13.23murbGeorge: what about linked files?
15:13.32murband files beginning .
15:13.36Georgehrmm
15:13.39murbwhich * won't match
15:13.40GeorgeI dunno.
15:13.48Georgetar?
15:13.52murband extended attributes.
15:14.00murbGeorge: rsync?
15:14.02murbman rsync
15:14.08murbsee -H
15:14.13murband -a
15:14.14Georgetar -cpvf - /usr | tar -xpvf -?
15:14.48murbGeorge: or ( cd /usr && tar cpf - . ) | ( cd /target && tar xpf - ) # ?
15:15.03ErwinI prefer rsync
15:15.22morsingI always use tar for this. Much better than rsync
15:15.33murbErwin: doesn't help in teh extened attributes thing.
15:15.58murbmorsing: tar isn't very good for making incremental updates though over a low bandwidth link.
15:16.24murbI quite like lvm snapshots, followed by rsync to remote machine.
15:16.44murbthen cp -arl current-backup `date +%Y%m%d`
15:19.44\simonwhy -l?
15:21.54\simonhow can you link on different partitions?
15:22.52morsingmurb: I assume he's copying /usr to the same disk
15:23.22murb\simon: to save space with incrimental backups.
15:25.22\simonif you were still talking about George copy his /usr... he said:
15:25.25\simon17:12 < George> what's the best way to move /usr to a separate partition?
15:25.53\simonyou cannot create links between two different partitions... not that i know of
15:27.29\simonon top of that... i would say that linking is not the right choice to backup
15:28.04\simonsince when you modify the original file... the backupped one is modified too
15:28.19Georgelink?
15:28.20GeorgeI'm copying
15:28.32\simonGeorge: murb suggested cp -l
15:28.33GeorgeI'm currently using tar to copy the contents of /usr to my target partition
15:28.40Georgewhich will then be mounted on top of /usr
15:29.42\simoneverything i said was related to the use of the flag -l with cp
15:30.52\simonsorry maybe i mixed up different talks :)
15:36.49morsingPine finished -- Closed folder "INBOX". Kept all 213 messages.
15:40.23morsingibot bungle
15:40.52morsingWho is Bungle?
15:42.21morsinghttp://www.bunglefever.com/
15:54.38morsingMmm... TWiki
15:55.06Cope:()
15:55.22GeorgeCope: you have a large mouth
15:55.36GeorgeCope: there also seem to be a couple of holes in your cheeks
15:55.39morsing:)(
15:56.34Copefat fingers
15:58.24George:P
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16:09.04morsingLeeds!
16:12.40Leedsmorning all!
16:15.50Leedsaka a random day off work :-)
16:16.28morsingWe're having an OA day tomorrow
16:16.32morsingYay
16:17.49Leedsfun
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