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06:56.19morsing'morning
06:56.41SlayerXPmorning
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07:38.53*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. See us at the LinuxWorld Expo in Olympia this week!
07:53.31mozratmorning guys
07:53.46Leedshey
07:54.01mozrathey Leeds
07:59.42Leedshmm... using a web forum - for expats in HK - which has a nice community... but which limits private messages to a maximum of 80 stored (inbox, sentbox, etc.) and each individual message to 1000 characters... annoying arbitrary limitations
08:01.29mozratthat guy who was convicted for hacking the tsunami website - what a joke that is
08:02.44mozratI think leaving your contact details and credit card number on the site just before cracking the site is the sign of either a) A very stupid hacker or b) someone who wasn't intending to cause any damage.
08:03.35Leedsstupid judge
08:03.59mozratyes - he was following the law to the letter, but not interpreting the meaning of the law at all
08:04.12mozrathe even said it was with regret he had to punish him
08:04.32mozratI thought judges were allowed to exercise some common sense in this sort of thing
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08:13.17Leedsafternoon murble
08:13.22murbmorning Leeds
08:14.28mozrathey murb
09:08.59morsingmurb!
09:10.37mozratmorsing!
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09:26.21\simon'morning guys
09:33.46mozratmorning \simon
09:34.06mozrat"The operation failed. The error is: The operation completed successfully"
09:34.16mozratsuperb error message
09:38.06\simoni suggest it as a topic :)
09:39.31mozratyes :)
09:41.57mozrat\simon, give me part of your mail address again please...I'm searching the for one your sent me a few weeks ago
09:43.17\simonsimon :)
09:43.31\simonf.simon
09:44.23mozrat\simon searching my mailbox for the string "simon" isn't going to work considering my first name :)
09:44.47\simonyah exactly... f.simon is helping? :)
09:45.26mozratyeah got it thanks
09:45.43Leeds\simon: this may be a rude question... but who are you?
09:46.39Leedsand a somewhat disgusting observation... just bought some sugar-free mints - didn't notice the main ingredient was bird's nest...
09:47.01mozratbirds nest?
09:47.06Leedsbird's nest
09:47.09Leedsthey're made in the UK!
09:48.08\simonLeeds: usually it's nice to introduce yourself before asking who is someone else :)
09:48.31\simonanyway my name is Federico (simon is part of my surname) and I'm from italy
09:49.25Leeds\simon: sorry... I didn't really mean who are you - I meant to ask if there was any particular reason you're in a London channel?
09:50.42LeedsI lived in London until a few months ago... which is why I'm here
09:51.21\simoni dont know... i co-founded my city lug with other 10 people three years ago... i was looking around in other cities lug
09:51.48rhoweLeeds: mmm, bird's nest
09:52.03rhoweLeeds: I think it's another way of saying sparrow spit, or house marten spit
09:52.14rhoweLeeds: IIRC, that's what it is, but I'm sure wikipedia knows
09:52.51rhoweAh, Swiftlets
09:53.48\simonLeeds: will you go back to london?
09:53.50Leedsrhowe: well, they don't taste particularly bird-spit like...  they are just slightly softer than I expected
09:54.06Leeds\simon: well, I'll visit... but I'm not sure if I'll ever live there again
09:55.13mozratLeeds WHATTTTT?
09:55.20Leedsmozrat: yes?
09:55.46mozratnot live in London again?
09:55.53Leedscome on - before I came here, I was planning to emigrate to Israel
09:55.59mozrattrue
09:56.23rhowehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_nest_soup#Nest_as_delicacy
09:56.39rhoweAlso, who'd live in London by choice?
09:56.57Leedsrhowe: now, own property in London - that's a different thing
09:57.14rhoweLeeds: hah, fat chance of that for me
09:57.20mozratrhowe: I know. I wasn't completely serious with Leeds then. I'd live in Dubai in an instant if the chance came up
09:57.41rhoweLeeds: Maybe in a year I can get a 1 bedroom flat somewhere crappy
09:57.48rhowemorsing: Tottenham? :P
09:58.02LeedsI wonder if it's kosher... and for that matter if they actually are imported bird's nest to the UK in order to export it back to Hong Kong in mint form :-)
09:58.44Leedss/imported/importing/
09:59.20\simonbrb
10:03.31Leedsrhowe: I notice that that page doesn't have a picture of the bird, just the nest!
10:03.49mozratLeeds, that would make a great /topic line
10:03.56mozratfor misinterpretation
10:05.32rhoweLeeds: heh
10:06.16LeedsGLLUG: doesn't taste particularly bird-spit like!
10:29.18Leedsmozrat: regarding emigration, I also have the major plus (on this issue) of being very single...
10:29.28\simoni'm soaked
10:30.31mozratthat is a ++
10:30.48Leeds\simon: rain or shower?
10:32.06\simonLeeds: puoring rain
10:32.40Leedsit's been nice and dry here since I got back from Sri Lanka :-)  the rainy season is pretty much over
10:33.08\simonproject of the day... integrate aspell with irssi
10:34.13Leeds\simon: is English your first language?
10:34.39\simonLeeds: no... it's italian
10:35.29\simonthat's why i keep talking like a maccaroni :)
10:35.55Leedsmmmm.... maccaroni
10:37.15\simoni prefer penne to maccheroni
10:37.32Leedswell, yes, me too
10:40.11\simonlet's see... seriously let's integrate aspell with irssi... there should be a way to take over the text line before it's sent to the server. then we should prompt that there are errors, etc...
10:40.37\simondoes anyone of you use irssi?
10:40.47Leedsnot me, but some here do
10:46.38\simonirssi + aspell will be the linux killer application
10:48.42Leedsout of interest, I don't suppose anyone saw pdr at the expo or associated events?
10:54.22mozratnope
10:59.59\simonisnt it 2005? isnt it? why there are unsearchable mailing list archives?
11:00.19Leeds\simon: :-(
11:00.37\simonyou can keep your archive if i cant search it
11:00.54\simonkeep it for yourself i mean
11:00.58Georgeheyho
11:04.46mozratGeorge!
11:05.16Georgehey mozrat
11:06.49mozratDid you enjoy the expo in the end? I though tit was alright
11:06.54Georgeyeah :P
11:06.56mozratumm
11:06.57mozratno tits
11:07.00mozratI meant it
11:07.09Georgeyes, I know ;)
11:07.22Georgealthough you were clearly thinking of the rackspace marketing.. er... "ladies".
11:07.23mozratgood, although there were some women from Rackspace
11:07.26mozratlol
11:07.46George:P
11:08.38GeorgeI'm hungry.
11:08.45Georgenote to self: never put caramel in the fridge again
11:09.00Leedsoh, showing off their racks
11:09.07LeedsGeorge: lost a tooth?
11:09.12Georgenope
11:09.17GeorgeI have strong teeth :P
11:10.39Leedsfat git
11:10.46Georgewhat?
11:11.00Leedsthat stuff is ridiculously fatty
11:11.05Georgeso?
11:12.15Leedsso, you're a fat git
11:12.21Georgeno I'm not.
11:12.23GeorgeI'm a fat BASARD
11:12.28Leedsanyway, I was in Sri Lanka, so I missed the festival
11:12.28Georgewith a T in there somewhere.
11:13.01mozratMmmm, tea
11:13.22Georgelol
11:13.30Georgemozrat: I swear you've grown a beard since I last saw you.
11:13.50mozratGeorge: have I? Thanks for informing me
11:13.57Georgelol
11:14.06Georgeand I didn't remember that you accent was quite so.. fast
11:14.23mozratWell - I only spole 3 words to you the previous time
11:14.31Georgelol
11:15.20Georgethe question is, can you type as fast as you speak?
11:15.37mozraty e s
11:15.51George:P
11:16.14Georgefood soon.
11:16.17Georgein fact, I'm going now.
11:16.19Georgebye.
11:16.25mozratsee ya
11:16.27Georgebe back in 45 minutes
11:19.30Leedsargh, asparagus
11:20.16mozratasparagus++
11:22.04Leedsoh, it's tasty and healthful... but the after-effect!
11:24.47Leedsso are you mozrat-za?
11:25.13mozratI am apart from the fact Freenode  are playing with unregistered /msg settings
11:25.34mozratso being mozrat-za means I have to register with nickserv
11:32.57Leedsokay... I meant to ask if you were in .za :-)
11:33.01mozratahh
11:33.03mozratI am
11:33.09Leedsmy dinner plans are cancelled :-(
11:33.23mozrat:(
11:34.43Leedsone of the (very) few Sun Watford people who survived - since he technically was based elsewhere, just went to the office in Watford because it was closer - is in town, but he's reacted badly to local food/air/whatever and isn't up to going out
11:35.45mozratshame
11:35.49Leedsyeah
11:35.55mozratfoodtime
11:35.57mozratbbl
11:36.00Leedsdid meet up with him on Thursday, so it's not like I didn't see him
11:36.01Leedsseeya
11:48.57Leedshttp://www.coorslight.com/iceswipe/ (flash)
11:51.36mozratjeez - guy we had beers with last night went home to bed. As he was getting to sleep his brothers girlfriend came back in her car with 2 armed gunmen
11:51.45mozratthey'd snatched her leaving a bar
11:51.53mozratand drove her home
11:52.03mozratthey were all held at gunpoint and the house was robbed
11:52.07mozratno-one hurt
11:52.09mozratbut
11:52.17mozratwow - that is very very scary
11:52.47Leedsjo'burg?
11:52.53mozratyes
11:52.57LeedsI did warn you
11:53.20mozrathe's talking like I'd expect someone who had they bad snatched on the Tube would talk
11:53.20Leedsplace is well fucked up
11:53.24mozratbag
11:53.33mozratjeez - SSH lag today
11:53.38mozratmakes typing a bit hard
11:53.38Leedsyeah, shit happens
11:53.48mozratscary place
11:55.07Leedstrue
11:55.53Leedsnice and safe here :-)
11:57.28Leedsare you in a hotel?
12:04.30mozratright now, in the office
12:04.40mozratbut we are staying in a hotel yes
12:05.03mozratI'm not concerned about my own safety as I'm not really out and about anywhere
12:05.22mozratjust a bit surprised about how casually he talked abou tit
12:05.34mozratapparently the girl who was snatched is very upset
12:05.42mozratunsurprisingly
12:08.18Leedsas I said, there was a guy staying in our hostel who was mugged while we were there - a pretty common occurance
12:08.47mozratyeah
12:10.53Leedsand I don't think things have got any better since then
12:13.28mozratpasta!
12:19.59Georgehrmm
12:21.22Leedsgood thought
12:21.42mozrateither that or cheese
12:21.46Georgesleep time.
12:21.48GeorgeI'm tired.
12:22.56LeedsGeorge: sort it out!
12:23.03mozrathave you not been to bed George ?
12:25.25Erwinah, this is much more useful than timeout's awful film interface: http://www.google.com/movies?hl=en&near=london
12:26.52mozratthat is good
12:28.43Leeds"if they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing.  And if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order."
12:29.20ErwinHehe. I have the Firefly DVDs and they were great. Supposedly the movie is good too
12:30.04LeedsI've no idea when it's going to be out here :-(  I've almost finished downloading a shitty camera-in-the-cinema copy
12:30.54Leedsin fact, that reminds me... I was going to be hypocritically noble and actually buy a cinema ticket to see it in the UK, to pay for downloading it
12:31.37Erwinnew2unix: I liked Cronenberg previous stuff but HoV was boring. "That was it?" I thought when I finished watching it.
12:32.00ErwinBut apparently it's topping the box office now.
12:33.42new2unixWell i have Serenity, 4 Brothers, Land of the Dead and the Brothers Grimm on VCD so i might watch one of those instead.
12:34.12Leedsnew2unix: is it a cam of serenity?
12:34.30new2unixI'll have a look. hold a sec.
12:35.09ErwinOf the movies there, "Crash" was great. "Lord of War" looked amusing based on trailers. But they are also showing Wallace & Grommit!!
12:35.46highbury"night watch" sounds interesting
12:36.12Leedshighbury: I think I downloaded it many many months ago - before it got rereleased... but it's in the UK
12:36.13ErwinIs it dubbed BTW? It's a Russian movie from 2004
12:37.35new2unixLeeds: Awww... Its not the full movie. 21mins of interviews with the lead actors etc. Ouch.
12:37.57ErwinYou can download the first 9 minutes BTW :-)
12:38.25new2unixThe guy at work who gave it to me is having 21mins of downtime for that. He should have said.
12:38.47\simonhow much is renting dvd in uk?
12:38.48Leedsnew2unix: :-(
12:40.14Leeds"She still has the advantage over us." "Everyone always does - that's what makes us special."
12:44.08new2unixBrothers Grimm and 4 Brothers: OK cam quality. Gareth@work is going to be very sorry on Monday.
12:46.26Leedsso then the next question is, microwave something, takeout, or go out and eat by myself?
12:46.47mozratwhat time is it there Leeds?
12:47.14Leeds2047
12:47.48mozratI would do takeout
12:50.47Leedsyeah...
13:05.45gregjfind -food chinesse
13:09.33mozratfind -food chinese -exec cat {} >> mouth ';'
13:15.08gregj;]
13:40.28Cope\;
13:40.36CopeI've never done ';'
13:40.39Copecute
15:04.12mozrat*yawn*
15:20.35\simoni'm back
15:36.38\simondoes anyone of you have seen my black marker? the one i use to write on dvd
15:36.45\simoni cant find it
15:46.59mozratI have it here
15:49.41\simonoh ok you can keep it i'm gonna buy a new one. brb in 5 mins.
15:53.06mozratw00t
15:58.56Georgehi
15:59.55mozratGeorge!
16:07.54Georgehey mozrat
16:08.03mozrathey hey
16:08.15Georgeheh
16:28.07new2unixhah
16:28.55GeorgeI need to do some work.
16:28.57Georgegrumble
16:29.05Georgeapparently my housemaster came into my room earlier and yelled at me
16:29.10Georgefor being in bed
16:29.17GeorgeI actually have no recollection of this ;)
16:33.54mozratwow
16:34.14mozratthats a bit harsh - why can't you be in bed on your own time?
16:40.12Georgemozrat: he wanted me to go do sport:P
16:42.24mozratahh
16:42.45Georgemozrat: have a mac by any chance?
16:42.57mozratand your reaction to that was?
16:43.07Georgeerm
16:43.09mozratGeorge: I have one at home and 48 here in the office
16:43.11GeorgeI don't think I did
16:43.17mozrat*snore*?
16:43.21GeorgeI think I was not really concious
16:43.23Georgeanyway
16:43.30Georgemozrat: can you try and find a Tiger CD? I need a file off it
16:43.41mozratyep
16:43.52Georgethe airport extreme driver.. :)
16:45.44Georgemozrat: see /query
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17:11.11z00daxhttp://google.co.uk/movies
17:11.21z00daxinteresting, and never seen before ( by me )
17:12.24mozratis this different from video.google.com?
17:12.58z00daxmozrat, yes
17:13.22z00dax<PROTECTED>
17:14.35z00daxmozrat, how was your day at the expo and the journey later ?
17:17.30mozratz00dax: all good thanks
17:17.31mozrat:)
17:49.11GeorgeI'm using wireless inside mac-on-line! :D
17:49.31Georges/line/linux/
17:56.13murbGeorge: linux can export pci devices to the OSX instance?
17:56.21Georgeyes
17:57.07Georgewell, it can now
18:02.18Georgemurb: there's a new feature called "pciproxy"
18:16.42murbGeorge: neat!
18:16.52Georgemurb: yeah
18:16.56murbGeorge: can you observe communication?
18:17.00Georgeapparently
18:17.10Georgeso they can use it to spy on the driver
18:17.20murbGeorge: that was what i was thinking.
18:17.24GeorgeI'm using it because linux doesn't support the silly authentication method my school uses
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18:17.28Georgeor rather
18:17.28murbnow if they'd only make a G5 ibook.
18:17.38morsingHello
18:17.39GeorgeI don't want to TRY and get Linux to support the silly authentication method my school uses
18:17.42murbGeorge: what authentication is that?
18:17.45Georgeradius
18:17.54George802.1x
18:17.58GeorgePEAP
18:18.00GeorgeMSCHAPv2
18:18.06murbGeorge: it might work.
18:18.14Georgeit's easier jus to do this.
18:18.15murbthe radius bit you don't have to care about.
18:18.25morsingCan anyone think of a system call/command that would make %Inode used appear as nan on a device-mapper filesystem?
18:18.28murbGeorge: and presuably linux doesn't support the internet wireless?
18:18.40Georgemurb: I have a PCMCIA 802.11abg card
18:18.45Georgemurb: which works in linux
18:18.56murbGeorge: and nought internal?
18:19.01Georgenope
18:19.09murbmorsing: nan?
18:19.09Georgethat said, linux's wireless support absolutely sucks anyway
18:19.19murbGeorge: it is about to get much better.
18:19.35morsingmurb: not-a-number
18:19.54Georgemurb: explain?
18:19.55murb%age of what?
18:20.00morsingmurb: Usually means it hasn't been defined
18:20.17murbGeorge: with the ieee80211 being merged.
18:20.27Georgeieee80211?
18:21.01Georgesomeone needs to update the channel topic
18:21.23murbmorsing: works for me "5242880   40496 5202384    1%"
18:21.38murbmorsing: what filesystem are you using?
18:22.15murbnormally devicemapper shouldn't care about inodes.
18:22.17Georgegod damnit, I'll be glad when I get this laptop with 160GB of disk space
18:22.49murbGeorge: if you have a 80gb disk, erase it twice :-)
18:22.56Georgeno
18:24.10GeorgeI'm getting a thinkpad with 80GB internal... and I'll buy a 25 GBP adaptor for the cd-drive bay to stick my other 80GB disk in there
18:24.39Georgeright, time to reboot - new kernel
18:25.31morsingmurb: It works fine for me as well which is why I can't figure out why this application say nan% on all dev-map filesystems
18:26.25morsingmurb: That being said all the dev-map fs are reiser, the non-devmap ones are ext3. Maybe that's the problem
18:27.12murbmorsing: reiser is the problem.
18:27.21murbit doesn't have traditional i-nodes.
18:27.33murbtry making a test ext3 / dev-map as a test.
18:28.18morsingAhh... Just tried 'df -i' and it says '-' under Inode%
18:32.17murbmorsing: does it show max?
18:32.36morsingmax what?
18:32.40murbinodes
18:32.54murbi mean the first number
18:33.21morsingAll the other numbers are 0
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18:36.40jackdsevening all
18:41.06highburyGeorge: which thinkpad?
18:43.09highburyGeorge: [this might be out of date info, but] although the 60Gb version is smaller (obviously) it does run at 7200rpm as opposed to 5400rpm, so it is faster
18:48.52\simon7200rpm on a laptop rulez
18:52.19highburysure does, that's why my T40p which is probably 2 years old, has only just been surpassed
18:54.20\simonso now what laptop would you suggest?
18:56.03highburypoke mozrat
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18:59.11IAmAIHello.
19:03.01IAmAIAnyone there?
19:03.30IAmAI*tumbleweed*
19:05.28IAmAILinux sucks!
19:09.45IAmAIBye.
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19:10.05mozrathighbury: hello
19:10.41mozratIAmAI: fool
19:17.30\simonthat's why i wanted to integrate aspell in irssi ;)
19:48.04mozratoff to get some food
19:48.07mozratbbl
19:48.11Georgehighbury: the t43p
19:48.14GeorgeI'm in Linux now
19:51.11Georgehighbury: and yeah, I know they're 7200rpm... I'm going to get an 80GB 7200rpm model.. then stick my spare 80GB 4200rpm in the cd bay
20:01.07JAVis the noise increase noticeable? and what about battery lasting?
20:01.13highburymozrat: I've been responsible (or not) for the web site, we have had several people promise to update the website, but its always come to nothing, and left with me ...
20:19.01highburyThe battery life on mine is really really good. nearly 4 hrs, very good power management too
20:27.45GeorgeJAV: apparently, not much difference
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21:28.43highburyTHE WEBSITE HAS JUST BEEN UPDATED WITH ALL THE LATEST DETAILS OF THE NEXT MEETINGS
21:28.57highbury</capitals>
21:41.16George?
21:41.18Georgeheh
22:21.45highburysuddenly we have lots to do :-)
22:46.54ErwinNescafe Watch, I mean, Night Watch, was an odd movie

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