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| 06:08.35 | new2unix | moin all |
| 06:10.07 | Leeds | hey ho |
| 06:22.04 | new2unix | hi Leeds. |
| 06:22.13 | new2unix | Hows it hanging? |
| 06:23.09 | new2unix | How's the angle of the dangle? |
| 06:23.23 | Leeds | slightly left... you? |
| 06:23.46 | new2unix | lol |
| 06:24.04 | new2unix | I'm off to catch that bus now. Talk to you guys later. :) |
| 06:24.35 | Leeds | have fun |
| 06:26.09 | new2unix | Leeds: $boss put us on a server 2003 course. |
| 06:26.54 | new2unix | Leeds: $course-lecturer is a Linux zealot |
| 06:27.05 | Leeds | nice |
| 06:27.53 | new2unix | Use Firefox. Use OpenOffice. NEver use IIS as an internet facing webserver. Never use MS as a router. etc |
| 06:28.51 | Leeds | yeah... |
| 06:28.58 | new2unix | I must remember to invite him round to one of our events. maybe to Olympia if he isnt coming already. |
| 06:29.27 | Leeds | remind me when the show is? |
| 06:29.43 | new2unix | October 5th i think |
| 06:30.15 | Leeds | not that I'll be there, of course - but I should be firmly back in HK by then |
| 06:30.23 | new2unix | October 5-6. |
| 06:30.48 | new2unix | I'll send you a SUN freebie if i get more than one. lol |
| 06:30.54 | Leeds | thanks :-) |
| 06:31.07 | new2unix | Seeya |
| 06:31.21 | Leeds | seeya |
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| 07:04.19 | Leeds | morning morsing |
| 07:05.03 | morsing | morning Leeds |
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| 07:12.25 | \simon | 'morning. here we are... an other working day. |
| 07:16.06 | Leeds | afternoon \simon |
| 07:22.40 | Leeds | eh, lunchtime... |
| 07:41.10 | morsing | Leeds: Do you make bras for men? |
| 08:13.03 | mozrat | Good Morning |
| 08:13.17 | morsing | mozrat! |
| 08:13.22 | mozrat | hey! |
| 08:13.25 | morsing | ibot: wake wethrin |
| 08:13.28 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:30.59 | Leeds | morsing: not particularly |
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| 09:04.45 | \simon | mozrat! are u back in UK? |
| 09:04.54 | kbsingh | morning! |
| 09:05.09 | \simon | morning kbsingh |
| 09:05.40 | kbsingh | hey, whats up \simon |
| 09:07.51 | \simon | nothing much an other working day. what about you? |
| 09:11.30 | mozrat | \simon yes! |
| 09:12.26 | kbsingh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.49 | \simon | mozrat: did you get my mail? |
| 09:29.58 | kbsingh | hey Cope, moved to OldStreet then ? |
| 09:30.26 | mozrat | \simon, yes thanks |
| 09:30.26 | Cope | back tomorrow |
| 09:32.09 | rhowe | Cope: How's the new office? |
| 09:32.16 | Cope | rhowe: filthy |
| 09:32.30 | Cope | it hadn't been cleaned properly |
| 09:32.38 | rhowe | Cope: Ugh |
| 09:32.51 | Cope | but its big |
| 09:33.01 | Cope | we'll get used to it, once they've cleaned it |
| 09:33.06 | rhowe | "it's" :) |
| 09:33.13 | Cope | nop |
| 09:33.44 | rhowe | Cope: Sufficient locations to put vast quantities of high-end networking kit? |
| 09:35.46 | Cope | oh massive |
| 09:46.17 | Leeds | don't you just love/hate it when a new version of something is released the day after you start playing with it? |
| 09:54.01 | Cope | out of 2? 5? 100? |
| 09:54.28 | Cope | we used to be marked out of 5, now we're marked out of 3 |
| 09:54.51 | morsing | Out of 5 |
| 09:55.04 | rhowe | goals review? |
| 09:55.11 | rhowe | What's one of them? |
| 09:55.12 | morsing | If it happens twice in a row it means diciplinary actions from HR |
| 09:55.26 | morsing | rhowe: One of the goals? |
| 09:55.35 | rhowe | morsing: No, what's a goals review? |
| 09:56.03 | morsing | Every quarter you and your man manager set goals for the coming quarter |
| 09:56.11 | morsing | And review last quarter |
| 09:56.39 | Leeds | ugh, don't like that sort of thing |
| 09:56.47 | Cope | rhowe: scim-chinese has no installation candidate in testing, but is present in stable and in unstable! What's the best way to get this installed? |
| 09:57.00 | morsing | Leeds: It's rubbish |
| 09:59.58 | Leeds | ah, lovely... pre-recorded Cantonese spam to my (roaming) mobile |
| 10:02.10 | rhowe | Cope: download the unstable package and dpkg -i it? :) |
| 10:02.28 | Cope | rhowe: yeah just did that |
| 10:42.40 | wethrin | morsing: MORNING! |
| 10:53.07 | Leeds | and I apparently have managed to connect a python process on x86 to a db/2 instance on an as/400 using an odbc link :-) |
| 10:58.28 | gregj | new2unix: pay review ? |
| 10:58.44 | gregj | oh, you got pay raise or sometrhing ? |
| 11:07.04 | new2unix | gregj: sure. everyone gets one at some point of their working life. |
| 11:07.07 | Leeds | and I'm told they're getting the ADSL put into the house here this weekend :-) |
| 11:22.06 | Leeds | ah-ha! now, Mr. AS/400 - you are mine! |
| 11:22.50 | gregj | why the hell my mobile phone has hardcoded IP 192.168.1.2 , and my network is on the same one |
| 11:23.01 | gregj | I can either hack me phone, or use internet |
| 11:23.01 | gregj | grrr |
| 11:44.53 | new2unix | food. yummy |
| 11:45.42 | rhowe | haha - bakku-shan: a girl who appears pretty from behind but not from the front. (Japanese) |
| 11:48.11 | new2unix | rhowe: is that possible? what qualities does one look for? |
| 11:49.03 | new2unix | rhowe: surely the main features are in front, i would have thought. |
| 11:50.37 | new2unix | but then what would i know with my glow-in-the-dark crt tan :-) |
| 11:53.41 | Leeds | rhowe: you've been reading any of the multiple stories published yesterday about that new book! |
| 12:02.12 | rhowe | Leeds: Saw the boingboing posting |
| 12:12.10 | Leeds | ah... I saw it on the BBC and in the Times :-) |
| 12:13.52 | morsing | wethrin: MORNING |
| 12:15.50 | morsing | rhowe: Is that from a reliable source? |
| 12:19.00 | morsing | http://www.langmaker.com/db/eng_bakkushan.htm |
| 12:21.48 | morsing | Mmm... Behind |
| 12:22.08 | Leeds | anyone know anything about the acx100 driver? |
| 12:35.43 | gregj | yes, there used to be one in development |
| 12:36.01 | gregj | I even started my own long ago, but never managed to finish, besides some folks were well ahead me |
| 12:36.28 | gregj | dunno if it's still actively developed thou |
| 12:42.24 | Leeds | last update was June - I'm just installing it |
| 12:44.02 | Leeds | seems to have loaded okay :-) |
| 12:45.25 | gregj | ibot change 800 USD to PLN |
| 12:45.35 | gregj | hmm, quite a bit |
| 12:45.53 | gregj | https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php |
| 12:57.45 | morsing | Someone's put up a beer tent outside our building?!? |
| 12:59.17 | JAV | good afternoon! |
| 13:00.35 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 13:02.13 | Leeds | loaded okay, doesn't seem to be any actual communications going on |
| 13:07.40 | Leeds | nothing :-( |
| 13:12.21 | Cope | bah |
| 13:16.23 | Leeds | on the other hand, the Dell I'm trying to do it on has a *lovely* hard and noisy keyboard... makes this laptop one feel like crap :-) |
| 13:33.46 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 13:35.36 | Leeds | it's up |
| 13:35.49 | morsing | What is? |
| 13:36.50 | Leeds | my wifi |
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| 13:42.24 | formi | hiya |
| 13:42.37 | Leeds | evening formi |
| 13:42.56 | wethrin | Heh |
| 13:43.34 | formi | run dig -mx yahoo.com on 2 openbsd and 1 netbsd machines and got something unexpected |
| 13:44.55 | formi | including mem dumps |
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| 13:46.10 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 13:46.15 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 13:46.36 | morsing | Hi jason_ukfsn |
| 13:46.59 | Leeds | evening Erwin, jason_ukfsn |
| 13:47.49 | jason_ukfsn | what software do people recommend for blogging? |
| 13:49.41 | Leeds | I use pyblosxom - nice and barebones, written in python |
| 13:52.57 | Leeds | in 30 hours time I'll be on the plane on the way back to HK :-) |
| 13:54.02 | jason_ukfsn | where are you now? |
| 13:54.28 | Leeds | Sri Lanka, in the factory |
| 13:57.21 | Erwin | hey |
| 14:00.39 | Leeds | hometime! |
| 14:00.59 | JAV | bye Leeds |
| 14:19.07 | morsing | 20775: ssh: msmsp001: Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 14:19.35 | Cope | air gap |
| 14:21.09 | morsing | Thanks |
| 14:25.31 | morsing | Cope: ? |
| 14:26.15 | Cope | :) |
| 14:26.33 | Cope | usually such messages are the result of an unplugged cable :) |
| 14:26.47 | Cope | or something broken on the way :) |
| 14:37.51 | morsing | I'm tired |
| 14:37.58 | wethrin | have caffeinated beer |
| 14:38.04 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 14:38.32 | Erwin | I have baconated coffe |
| 14:39.48 | morsing | Mmm... Bacon-cawfy |
| 14:48.39 | Cope | 你好rhowe |
| 14:48.44 | Cope | testing... |
| 14:49.59 | Erwin | Hey, does any shop but the post office sell stamps? |
| 14:50.12 | Cope | yes - lots |
| 14:50.38 | Cope | hmm so I can say: 实验 in this channel, and it works. |
| 14:50.45 | Cope | oh no I can't |
| 14:52.25 | wethrin | No. It looks silly. |
| 14:52.26 | wethrin | Use a proper charset |
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| 14:53.14 | Cope-zh | 你好 |
| 14:53.21 | wethrin | GAH |
| 14:53.52 | Cope-zh | hmm |
| 14:54.47 | George | moo |
| 14:54.54 | wethrin | George: Do some work |
| 14:54.58 | George | nah |
| 14:55.02 | George | my HP 48GX has arrived |
| 14:55.03 | George | I'm playing |
| 14:55.58 | wethrin | ha |
| 14:56.49 | Cope-zh | cool - that seems to work ok |
| 14:56.58 | Cope-zh | wethrin: what do you see? |
| 14:57.04 | Cope-zh | 试验 |
| 14:57.30 | wethrin | e-grave, top-bar, inverse-U, e-acute, a-with-a-line-underneath, inverse-L |
| 14:58.13 | Cope | ok - so you have a crap locale / term |
| 14:58.23 | wethrin | No. I use God's Own Charset :) |
| 14:58.33 | wethrin | None of this devil-worshipping UTF8 shite! |
| 14:59.20 | wethrin | Leave your hands off! |
| 14:59.25 | wethrin | dirty boy |
| 15:00.05 | Cope-zh | 奇怪 |
| 15:00.25 | wethrin | brk! |
| 15:00.35 | Cope-zh | this is quite cool - to still use irssi, but have chinese chars |
| 15:01.13 | Cope-zh | right - food |
| 15:02.31 | Cope-zh | or should I say: 反 |
| 15:02.43 | rhowe | Cope-zh: heh, rxvt-unicode++ |
| 15:02.47 | rhowe | ↵ |
| 15:03.40 | Cope-zh | I wonder what ibot makes of it all |
| 15:03.41 | rhowe | Press the “enter” key. It should have a symbol like this: ↵ |
| 15:04.01 | Cope-zh | hmm |
| 15:04.12 | Cope-zh | just enter on its own yields no character |
| 15:04.42 | Cope-zh | btw scim is uttlerly screwed in debian; I ended up having to build it all from source. |
| 15:04.47 | rhowe | Ctrl+shift, then a key in rxvt-unicode inserts a symbol representing that key |
| 15:04.58 | rhowe | Cope-zh: Really? $boss uses it and seems happy enough |
| 15:05.13 | Cope-zh | rhowe: i think its ok in stable |
| 15:05.31 | rhowe | Cope-zh: He uses unstable |
| 15:05.45 | Cope-zh | I'm on unstable here, and can't resolve dependencies |
| 15:05.57 | Cope-zh | and there are missing packages in etch |
| 15:06.04 | rhowe | ah, well he didn't install it recently and I bet he hasn't updated in ages |
| 15:06.18 | Cope-zh | yeah, recalling the .sg firewall, that seems likely |
| 15:06.23 | rhowe | He's a manager, he doesn't believe in change |
| 15:06.28 | rhowe | :P |
| 15:09.33 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: Debian and new in the same sentence? :) |
| 15:10.38 | jason_ukfsn | they are not insurmountable problems but they indicate some bad things. |
| 15:11.30 | jason_ukfsn | For instance: the netboot iso image boots using devfs that creates nodes under /dev for software RAID that are not the same as used in the installer |
| 15:11.48 | jason_ukfsn | Then there is the problem of an official mirror being very out of sync (mirror.ac.uk) |
| 15:12.01 | jason_ukfsn | The server isn't extremely new - just newly bought. |
| 15:12.09 | jason_ukfsn | It's a Dell SC1425 |
| 15:12.22 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: Use mirror.ox.ac.uk |
| 15:12.47 | stephen | or the.earth.li |
| 15:12.52 | jason_ukfsn | nah, I'm getting decent bandwidth from debian.hands which is the main repository here anyway |
| 15:13.24 | rhowe | asI use ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 15:13.32 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: Or there's debian.mcc.ac.uk :) |
| 15:13.34 | jason_ukfsn | These are not big problems for me but for a newbie they'd probably be show stoppers |
| 15:14.09 | jason_ukfsn | I could always use my own mirror and would do so if I had the server in my rack already. |
| 15:15.10 | jason_ukfsn | I'm getting 119kB/s from phil's server which is good enough for a 1Mb connection |
| 15:15.48 | stephen | there are a couple of netinstall ISOs specifically for Dell kit which tend to include the necessary drivers but don't feature Debian Installer |
| 15:16.35 | jason_ukfsn | Yes but Dell kit is fairly standard. Both the kernels in the official netboot image work fine on these servers. |
| 15:17.18 | morsing | Hi stephen |
| 15:17.28 | stephen | hello morsing |
| 15:18.30 | stephen | jason_ukfsn: ah, I was installing a PE 1850 with a PERC 4 RAID controller which Debian's standard images didn't support |
| 15:19.55 | jason_ukfsn | I had that problem with Woody on a 1550 but I managed to install Sarge onto the same box using the standard installer with the PERC card in the box just working. |
| 15:20.15 | jason_ukfsn | It's only a matter of having the right driver compiled into the kernel you boot from and install |
| 15:21.40 | jason_ukfsn | I have to say though that I am shocked at the installer bug wrt software RAID in Sarge! |
| 15:23.47 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: I was quite amused by a Debian update recently which fixed a bug from 1996 :) |
| 15:23.55 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: It was a 4 digit bug number |
| 15:24.52 | jason_ukfsn | I remember making sure software and hardware RAID worked properly in Definite Linux before releasing version 6.0 and that was 1998. It's not hard to do. |
| 15:25.36 | jason_ukfsn | still it's not enough to make me consider switching back to a RH based distro |
| 15:26.26 | rhowe | save-hook '~h ^List-Id:.*gllug.gllug.org.uk' =lists.gllug |
| 15:30.29 | jason_ukfsn | has anyone here installed php5 alongside php4 as apache 1.3x modules? |
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| 15:53.08 | resuDaed | afternoon (from SHU.ac.uk) |
| 16:05.06 | Cope-zh | hello northener |
| 16:07.48 | rhowe | shu? |
| 16:07.51 | rhowe | Sheffield? |
| 16:10.31 | morsing | resuDaed! |
| 16:13.45 | Cope-zh | rhowe - sheffield hallam university |
| 16:13.54 | rhowe | Cope-zh: Ah right |
| 16:20.43 | resuDaed | yes, sheff hallam, my home for the next 6 years (I hope) |
| 16:21.19 | resuDaed | does anyone know of a small (<10MB) free X11 server for windows |
| 16:25.08 | rhowe | resuDaed: Cygwin + X{free86,org}? :) Not quite 10M, I suspect, but should work |
| 16:25.25 | rhowe | resuDaed: The only other one I know of would be the trial version of X-Win/32 |
| 16:26.34 | resuDaed | rhowe : I only have 60MB of storage |
| 16:26.51 | resuDaed | WierdX runs ok(ish) under java |
| 16:27.35 | rhowe | resuDaed: What's this on, a flash drive or something? |
| 16:30.25 | resuDaed | rhowe : uni network, they only seem to give my 60MB of network based storage |
| 16:33.02 | resuDaed | don't yet have internet access @ my flat, so am limited to what I can do from uni |
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| 16:33.44 | resuDaed | I still heave a machine @ my mothers house that I can access |
| 16:36.45 | rhowe | resuDaed: Hm... you could store it as a compressed archive and extract it to a temporary directory and run from there |
| 16:36.49 | rhowe | resuDaed: That should gain you some space |
| 16:37.14 | rhowe | resuDaed: You could even use uml under cygwin I guess, and them mount a remote filesystem and run stuff from there :) |
| 16:39.47 | rhowe | although running an X server in UML under Cygwin would be pushing it, I think :) |
| 16:39.55 | rhowe | resuDaed: You could try nx or vnc I guess |
| 16:40.21 | resuDaed | I have a very basic solution at 202k + putty (wierdx) |
| 16:40.33 | resuDaed | but must go to pub ... when in rome :-) |
| 16:40.43 | rhowe | heh |
| 16:41.34 | mozrat | Hello AngelChillie |
| 16:47.42 | AngelChild | g'day |
| 16:47.46 | AngelChild | chillie? :) |
| 16:49.28 | Cope-zh | evening |
| 16:51.50 | mozrat | hello Cope-zh |
| 16:51.58 | mozrat | where did you get the '-zh' from? |
| 16:52.11 | Cope-zh | zhongwen |
| 16:52.19 | mozrat | ooh |
| 16:52.54 | AngelChild | cope.sourceforge.net |
| 17:12.30 | mozrat | Cope-zh: ping |
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| 17:16.27 | highbury | hi folks |
| 17:18.12 | mozrat | hi highbury |
| 17:18.30 | AngelChild | heya |
| 17:38.16 | highbury | ibot seen taragon |
| 17:38.25 | ibot | highbury: i haven't seen 'taragon' |
| 17:38.31 | highbury | ibot seen tarragon |
| 17:38.33 | ibot | tarragon <~Tarragon@spc1-stkp3-3-0-cust204.bagu.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 160d 3h 41m 25s ago, saying: 'L8ers folks'. |
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| 18:18.24 | rhowe | whee |
| 18:19.57 | rhowe | And, at the same time, the beginnings of an LDAP directory |
| 18:20.28 | rhowe | Hopefully the next step is to use LDAP auth for the POP3 server, the IMAP server and finally get SMTP auth & SSL on postfix |
| 18:20.40 | rhowe | Then users won't have to go fiddling their SMTP settings whenever they change ISP |
| 18:22.14 | rhowe | Also, if the user has a Windows account name, they can use that to log into the site instead of their OpenLDAP account name |
| 18:22.28 | rhowe | hopefully soon we'll be saying goodbye to the 'catch-all' logins |
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| 20:41.35 | JAV | *plof* |
| 20:41.45 | JAV | firefox vanished |
| 20:58.13 | mozrat | where did it go? :) |
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| 23:23.46 | wethrin | Er. Cope |
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| 23:23.52 | Cope | aha |
| 23:23.59 | Cope | z00dax: do you want to live nearer work? |
| 23:24.12 | wethrin | Cope: Looking for a flatmate? |
| 23:24.32 | Cope | wethrin: no, I have a mum and dad, why would I need a flatmate? |
| 23:24.43 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 23:25.29 | z00dax | Cope, yes |
| 23:25.31 | z00dax | brixton.... |
| 23:25.33 | z00dax | is that any closer to work ? |
| 23:25.35 | rhowe | Cope: How much? :) |
| 23:30.05 | Cope | lots |
| 23:30.13 | Cope | 1000ish |
| 23:30.18 | Cope | too much for rhowe |
| 23:30.24 | Cope | but I'ev been there - its very nice |
| 23:32.30 | Cope | whoa - home as desktop is freaky |
| 23:35.32 | rhowe | yeah, too much for rhowe |
| 23:35.40 | rhowe | But not necessarily too much for rhowe + flatmate |
| 23:37.01 | z00dax | Cope, 1k isnt out of reach, but i am not sure about Brixton - was thinking of parking NorthSide of the river |
| 23:37.16 | z00dax | the drive from brixton to work isnt likely to be any easier. |
| 23:37.27 | z00dax | I guess public transport will, however, become a real option |
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| 23:39.04 | Cope | drive isn't so bad - less than an hour |
| 23:39.13 | Cope | only delay is rotherhithe |
| 23:39.24 | Cope | I know lots of sneaky back routes to get there |
| 23:39.45 | wethrin | .oO(cope likes the back roads, fnarr, fnarr) |
| 23:40.06 | Cope | smirk |
| 23:45.53 | AngelChild | titter |