irclog2html for #gllug on 20050919

`00:00.21`	`highbury`	`sure, but it is an excuse to hang round at Turtle`
`00:01.02`	`wethrin`	`True :)`
`00:01.25`	`highbury`	`and I thought Tushar did say he was doing one`
`00:01.56`	`wethrin`	`I thought so too, but haven't heard anything`
`00:02.00`	`highbury`	`would be cool to try and grab Klaus Knopper after Olympia`
`00:02.30`	`wethrin`	`Yeah`
`00:04.29`	`wethrin`	`It could be worth shouting on the main mailing list for a call-for-organisers for Gllug`
`00:05.14`	`highbury`	`I'm hoping to reappear at the end of this coming week, so maybe we can get something started again.`
`00:05.32`	`highbury`	`maybe try and drum up some interest at the expo`
`00:05.45`	`wethrin`	`Good idea`
`00:10.50`	`wethrin`	`Being on the other side of the country doesn't really help with organising things :)`
`00:11.24`	`highbury`	`that's ok your excused, your helping out in other ways`
`00:11.35`	`wethrin`	`Thanks :)`
`00:11.46`	`highbury`	`anyway its late, and I've just solved my lvm problem. Cay`
`00:11.52`	`wethrin`	`I need to sleep too`
`00:11.53`	`wethrin`	`Night!`
`00:11.57`	`highbury`	`catch you later`
`00:11.58`	`highbury`	`nn`
`00:12.11`	`wethrin`	`aye`
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`05:07.53`	`rhowe`	`woo`
`05:07.57`	`rhowe`	`That was NOT FUN`
`05:08.15`	`rhowe`	`Caught the train back to London from Wilmslow...`
`05:08.42`	`rhowe`	`We stop just outside Rugby.. "Erm, we've stopped because the signal told us to. Don't know why yet"`
`05:09.22`	`Leeds`	`fun`
`05:09.30`	`rhowe`	`15mins later... "There's been a security alert at Milton Keynes. Someone has been removed from the train"`
`05:09.49`	`rhowe`	`10mins later "The bomb squad are on their way to Milton Keynes Central to examine a suspect package"`
`05:09.50`	`Leeds`	`someone drunk and making trouble, probably`
`05:09.58`	`Leeds`	`or maybe not...`
`05:10.03`	`rhowe`	`$longtime later... we set off`
`05:10.08`	`rhowe`	`Arriving Euston at midnight`
`05:10.17`	`rhowe`	`(we should've arrived at 2233)`
`05:10.38`	`rhowe`	`Along the way, we're told "For those of you who have missed connections, Virgin will sort you out with a taxi"`
`05:11.03`	`rhowe`	`"Also, there may be further delays as there are currently 5 trains in front of us"`
`05:11.20`	`rhowe`	`Get to Euston to find Virgin trying to book taxis for 6+ trainloads of people`
`05:11.29`	`rhowe`	`I left Euston at about 5:30am`
`05:11.37`	`rhowe`	`Those 5 hours were spent queueing`
`05:11.41`	`Leeds`	`lovely`
`05:11.50`	`rhowe`	`I start work in 3h20m :P`
`05:11.51`	`Leeds`	`no food/drink supplied, I assume`
`05:11.55`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Oh, plenty`
`05:12.04`	`Leeds`	`really?`
`05:12.15`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Mostly junk though. Kitkats, mars bars, crisps, spicy nuts, tea/coffee, water and sandwiches`
`05:12.24`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`05:12.36`	`rhowe`	`Should do for lunch/breakfast`
`05:13.10`	`rhowe`	`The guy in front of me in the queue was going to Portsmouth`
`05:13.34`	`rhowe`	`He's in the Navy, and his ship sets sail at 7:30am (1h15mins)`
`05:13.59`	`Leeds`	`s/if/since/`
`05:14.41`	`Leeds`	`well, it's good to know that the british public transport system is keeping up to tradition standards`
`05:47.46`	`Blapto`	`CentOS all the way!`
`05:58.28`	`Leeds`	`good question...`
`05:58.29`	`mozrat`	`Morning chaps`
`05:59.29`	`Leeds`	`the point is that the firewall machine is supplied by the telco as part of their connection package - and should be maintained by them... they've said they'll provide us with an up-to-date platform to replace the existing one, but I really doubt it'll be RHEL`
`05:59.34`	`Leeds`	`morning morsing`
`05:59.36`	`Leeds`	`argh`
`06:00.04`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: honest mistake this time!`
`06:02.09`	`morsing`	`Leeds! You're up`
`06:02.23`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`06:05.18`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Are you at work?`
`06:07.42`	`Leeds`	`yes, of course`
`06:08.16`	`Leeds`	`for now, and/or until I get to HK, online==at work`
`06:14.50`	`morsing`	`I thought you were already in HK?!`
`06:16.03`	`Leeds`	`no, I've been in SL for a couple of weeks`
`06:43.41`	`Leeds`	`Yaaarrrr!`
`06:43.43`	`Leeds`	`http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html`
`06:57.29`	`morsing`	`Damn!`
`06:58.29`	`Leeds`	`some landlubber making you walk the plank, matey?`
`07:28.50`	`highbury`	`morning`
`07:29.11`	`morsing`	`No, ordered new suspension bushings months ago, got the wish bones out yesterday ready to go to the shop but just realised I got the wrong bushings`
`07:29.43`	`morsing`	`How's the bra business?`
`07:50.59`	`new2unix`	`moin all`
`08:04.01`	`Cope`	`good morning`
`08:06.01`	`highbury`	`good morning Cope`
`08:19.50`	`mozrat`	`Morning all`
`08:30.54`	`Leeds`	`I've been using rsync and enjoying it recently`
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`08:42.29`	`mozrat`	`morning kbsingh`
`08:43.26`	`kbsingh`	`mozrat: morning`
`09:08.13`	`mozrat`	`Allow me to paste a bad joke`
`09:08.14`	`mozrat`	`"`
`09:08.15`	`mozrat`	`Billy was at school this morning in the outback and the teacher asked all the children what there fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came out, Fireman, Policeman, Salesman, Chippy, Captain of Industry etc, but Billy was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.`
`09:08.20`	`mozrat`	`"My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he'll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him." The teacher quickly set the other children some work and took little Billy aside to ask him if that was really true. "No" said Billy, "He plays cricket for Australia but I was just too embarrassed to say."`
`09:08.26`	`mozrat`	`"`
`09:08.29`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`09:08.36`	`Leeds`	`har har har`
`09:10.15`	`kbsingh`	`8-}`
`09:14.11`	`wethrin`	`:-)`
`09:25.56`	`kbsingh`	`does anyone run qemu on PowerPC ? What are emulated x86 speeds like ?`
`10:18.07`	`highbury`	`what's the software which populates /media automatically with e2label names?`
`10:19.18`	`highbury`	`A: submountd`
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`10:32.56`	`morsing`	`Gnnff`
`10:33.35`	`wethrin`	`mm`
`10:34.40`	`ebbeyes`	`hi`
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`11:01.58`	`mozrat`	`moo`
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`11:06.59`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: wha?`
`11:10.28`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: Read scrollback, so never mind. Wanted to know if you got home okay`
`11:12.48`	`rhowe`	`weAh`
`11:14.22`	`wethrin`	`Indeed :)`
`11:15.31`	`Leeds`	`are you not?`
`11:18.11`	`rhowe`	`No`
`11:18.25`	`rhowe`	`I went to sleep at 6am`
`11:24.20`	`Cope`	`Anyone going to this ukuug then ibm thing on Thursday?`
`11:25.28`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: I'll be there`
`11:25.44`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Yes`
`11:26.00`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Well, yes to the IBM thing, at least`
`11:27.56`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: where are you leaving from?`
`11:29.35`	`Cope`	`rhowe: do you just turn up? or is tehre some kind of registartion thingy?`
`11:29.57`	`rhowe`	`Cope: Register online`
`11:30.50`	`Cope`	`gottalink?`
`11:30.59`	`rhowe`	`hm.. no`
`11:31.03`	`rhowe`	`it's in the email though IIRC`
`11:31.07`	`Cope`	`ok`
`11:31.09`	`Cope`	`from agk?`
`11:31.42`	`rhowe`	`hm.. guess so`
`11:31.51`	`rhowe`	`and John Southern's Gllug email IIRC`
`11:36.47`	`Cope`	`got it`
`11:37.11`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: you're going to the ldap thing too?`
`11:42.47`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: not sure about the ldap thing - how basic / elaborate it that likely to be ?`
`11:43.01`	`Cope`	`pretty involved I'd say - looks interesting`
`11:43.20`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: are you in dicklands?`
`11:43.56`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: across the road from Harbour Exchange`
`11:44.05`	`Cope`	`likewise`
`11:44.25`	`Cope`	`just wondering about meeting up on thursday afternoon/evening to head over together`
`11:44.36`	`kbsingh`	`sure, can do`
`11:44.44`	`kbsingh`	`are you heading out to the ldap talk as well ?`
`11:44.44`	`Cope`	`or indeed lunchtime beer`
`11:44.51`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: I think so - undecided`
`11:50.10`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: let me ask around here at work if anyone else is also interested`
`11:56.03`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: ETD @ 6:15 ? should we meet at TheSpinnaker ?`
`12:00.27`	`Cope`	`yeah, that's fine`
`12:00.34`	`Cope`	`I'll be tehre for ale from 1700`
`12:00.50`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: where do you work?`
`12:00.58`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: xinit.com`
`12:01.42`	`kbsingh`	`( been here all of 2 weeks now )`
`12:06.15`	`mozrat`	`Hmm, so 419 scammer has provided an address in London where I am to meet him`
`12:06.30`	`mozrat`	`Is there a police unit that specialises in this?`
`12:07.05`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: call your local station and ask`
`12:11.01`	`morsing`	`mozrat: Do you need backup?`
`12:11.03`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: we are Unit 7, Skylines`
`12:13.12`	`kbsingh`	`Cope: where are you @ ?`
`12:18.38`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: Main HEX tower`
`12:18.45`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: for 1 more week`
`12:18.54`	`Cope`	`Also quite often at telehouse`
`12:19.05`	`Cope`	`as of next week my non-datacentre home will be in old street`
`12:19.45`	`Cope`	`kbsingh: beer now? I have a meeting at 1400 but am about to grab 'lunch'`
`12:21.30`	`kbsingh`	`I have a couple of things going on, wont be able to get out right away - but we can do lunch tom ?`
`12:21.35`	`Cope`	`sure`
`12:21.43`	`Cope`	`<-- spinnie`
`12:21.43`	`kbsingh`	`whats a good time with you ?`
`12:21.48`	`Cope`	`oh 1230ish`
`12:21.58`	`kbsingh`	`sounds good. I'll see you there :)`
`12:22.01`	`Cope`	`groovy`
`12:22.03`	`Cope`	`afk`
`12:35.46`	`mozrat`	`morsing: :)`
`12:46.52`	`Leeds`	`I think I just got an SMS telling me I'd spent 4 Sri Lankan cents`
`12:46.58`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 0.04 lkr to gbp`
`12:54.54`	`JAV`	`afternoon`
`12:58.56`	`new2unix`	`ibot change 667.2 gbp to chf`
`12:59.30`	`new2unix`	`what?`
`12:59.43`	`new2unix`	`ibot change 667.2 chf to gbp`
`12:59.58`	`new2unix`	`ibot thanks`
`12:59.58`	`ibot`	`bitte, new2unix`
`13:17.25`	`rhowe`	`argh`
`13:17.32`	`rhowe`	`$boss has put off his .jp move to October next year`
`13:19.50`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: hah, that's not what the Virgin customers were saying last night`
`13:20.17`	`wethrin`	`I'm going GNER, so nyer`
`13:27.29`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: :-(`
`13:28.09`	`wethrin`	`Right. So. For GNER journeys it seems generally cheaper to get two single tickets than one return`
`13:30.41`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Well, I'll go hunting and then just say it's either him or me`
`13:31.04`	`Leeds`	`so, I was looking at iPod Nano prices...`
`13:31.21`	`wethrin`	`rhowe: Come to Durham!`
`13:31.23`	`wethrin`	`There's 3 jobs :)`
`13:31.25`	`Leeds`	`HK and US price is almost exactly the same, pretty much 135 quid`
`13:31.29`	`wethrin`	`(although one closes today)`
`13:31.37`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: heh, wouldn't mind looking at Manchester, TBH`
`13:31.44`	`wethrin`	`Manchester smells :)`
`13:31.46`	`wethrin`	`Come to Durham`
`13:32.16`	`Leeds`	`UK price for the same thing is 152 + VAT`
`13:34.29`	`Leeds`	`how much of a rip-off is that? I can understand stuff being VAT+a bit more expensive, but to be that much more before tax?`
`13:34.54`	`mozrat`	`why is today talk like pirate day? is it just london.pm?`
`13:35.21`	`wethrin`	`Today is International talk-like-a-pirate day`
`13:35.42`	`mozrat`	`url?`
`13:36.16`	`Leeds`	`www.talklikeapirate.com :-)`
`13:37.21`	`Leeds`	`well. me hearties, 'tis time for me to up anchor and head off into the wild dark night`
`13:39.05`	`Leeds`	`don't be rapin' or pillagin' I wouldn't rape or pillage while I'm gone, now`
`13:39.18`	`Leeds`	`etc. etc. etc. :-)`
`13:39.20`	`Leeds`	`seeya`
`14:00.08`	`Erwin`	`Hmm. I have this subdirectory with about 220,000 files in it. I do a find . -name something in it every 10 minutes. Most of the times it complets within a few seconds. Sometimes, it takes 80+. I suspect some directory entry cache gets flushed from time to time. Any idea what setting to modify?`
`14:01.44`	`wethrin`	`I think that's a kernel thing`
`14:02.30`	`Erwin`	`fs.dentry-state seems to be the status of it, but doesn't seem writable`
`14:02.43`	`Erwin`	`[root@athena proc]# cat /proc/sys/fs/dentry-state`
`14:02.43`	`Erwin`	`53053 -701376 45 0 0 0`
`14:03.00`	`Erwin`	`According to the docs, -701376 is the number of unused dentries`
`14:04.37`	`Erwin`	`Hmm, come to think of it, dentry cache is for looking up name -> inode, maybe the inode cache is what I want`
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`14:10.43`	`morsing_`	`Welcome`
`14:18.34`	`morsing_`	`Hello?`
`14:18.34`	`wethrin`	`YES?`
`14:18.36`	`wethrin`	`I CAN'T HEAR YOU!`
`14:36.38`	`morsing_`	`Sorry`
`14:41.00`	`morsing_`	`How are you wethrin?`
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`14:45.40`	`wethrin`	`Irritated at ebuyer`
`15:05.21`	`Cope`	`oh`
`15:16.15`	`morsing_`	`Mmm... ebuyer`
`15:16.23`	`morsing_`	`~seen SlayerXP`
`15:16.29`	`ibot`	`slayerxp <n=martin@s01i32-0737.no.powertech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 22h 9m 37s ago, saying: 'moparfan90: there's a list of supported hardware for linux.'.`
`15:19.35`	`mozrat`	`morsing_: how many channels does ibot look in? I'm surprised it knows about #debian`
`15:20.15`	`morsing_`	`mozrat: I wouldn't know`
`15:20.26`	`morsing_`	`~seen beer`
`15:20.28`	`ibot`	`beer <ExUser@h-67-101-28-114.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 216d 12h 35m 10s ago, saying: 'to work from my home pc'.`
`15:20.32`	`morsing_`	`:-D`
`15:20.50`	`mozrat`	`~seen nakedladies`
`15:20.51`	`ibot`	`mozrat: i haven't seen 'nakedladies'`
`15:20.57`	`morsing_`	`~seen lady`
`15:20.58`	`ibot`	`morsing_: i haven't seen 'lady'`
`15:21.09`	`morsing_`	`~seen volvo`
`15:21.10`	`ibot`	`i haven't seen 'volvo', morsing_`
`15:33.26`	`mozrat`	`~seen GeorgeNotEating`
`15:33.28`	`ibot`	`i haven't seen 'georgenoteating', mozrat`
`15:33.35`	`mozrat`	`no neither have I`
`15:33.41`	`wethrin`	`hehe`
`15:51.31`	`rhowe`	`ahahaha`
`15:51.44`	`rhowe`	`$cutesy Korean radio station is now playing Rammstein`
`15:57.07`	`morsing_`	`cutesy?`
`15:57.24`	`wethrin`	`He's probably thinking about the DJs`
`16:05.51`	`mozrat`	`LOL - my 419 scam is becoming more and more complex`
`16:06.17`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: Your 419 scam?`
`16:09.10`	`mozrat`	`John Wood (scammer) contacted me to let Lord Iffy Boatrace (me) know that he had won $MILLIONS on the Dutch National Lottery. Iffy Boatrace was to contact the courier Mr James West (scammer). Much emailing occurs between West and Boatrace until the butler Gonad McDangle contacts West to let him know he knows what he is doing and he must work in collusion to get the Lords money. West agrees and Gonad McDangle (me) plots to con Boatrace. Meanwhile Boatrac`
`16:10.57`	`wethrin`	`snigger`
`16:11.16`	`mozrat`	`I might publish the lot tonight on my site`
`16:12.05`	`wethrin`	`Good plan. Oh, and your text got snipped off at "Meanwhile Boatrac"`
`16:12.16`	`mozrat`	`Meanwhile Boatrace contacts Wood to complain about`
`16:12.16`	`mozrat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:12.16`	`mozrat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:12.16`	`mozrat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:12.18`	`mozrat`	`oops`
`16:12.19`	`mozrat`	`sorry`
`17:06.06`	`rhowe`	`hm, under "International data"`
`17:06.11`	`rhowe`	`"Orange provide flexible zone-based tariffs offering you access across more than 60 countries so that you can control your international data costs. GPRS and 3G roaming is £8 per megabyte, charged in per kilobyte intervals, whatever zone you're working in."`
`17:06.24`	`rhowe`	`er.. so it's £8/MiB, regardless of where you are`
`17:06.28`	`rhowe`	`How is that zone-based? :)`
`17:06.34`	`rhowe`	`(or flexible)`
`17:06.41`	`wethrin`	`:-)`
`17:07.25`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: Post it on 419eater.com`
`18:09.41`	`Blapto`	`T-Mobile is cheaper than somebody else for once! 7.68/MB here, that's a huge suprise.`
`18:29.06`	`rhowe`	`Blapto: T-Mobile will apparently beat any proposal at the moment for business mobiles`
`18:31.19`	`Blapto`	`I'd best get Orange to quote me for moving our 4 business mobiles over to them, see if we can get a better rate.`
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`18:32.55`	`Blapto`	`Hi Andrew.`
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`20:50.05`	`Cope`	`ibot convert 6 stone to kg`
`20:50.23`	`Cope`	`ibot convert 60 kg to stone`
`21:17.49`	`wethrin`	`Urghl`
`21:19.17`	`Blapto`	`Seven.`
`21:19.32`	`wethrin`	`www.c-jump.com`
`21:19.43`	`Blapto`	`see jump run`
`21:21.05`	`Blapto`	`ok, that's geeky`
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`21:21.13`	`wethrin`	`yup`
`21:21.14`	`wethrin`	`hi highbury`
`21:21.27`	`Blapto`	`What's Durham like for undergrad comp sci?`
`21:22.13`	`wethrin`	`Pretty good. Want me to bring a real undergrad compsci in here to ask?`
`21:22.44`	`Blapto`	`Or I could /query them?`
`21:22.59`	`wethrin`	`Eh. It's quiet enough. May as well liven the channel up a bit :)`
`21:23.16`	`Blapto`	`OK`
`21:23.21`	`Blapto`	`I'll ask silly questions though.`
`21:23.43`	`wethrin`	`Okay`
`21:24.55`	`wethrin`	`He's fallen asleep I think :)`
`21:25.21`	`Blapto`	`Fairy snuff.`
`21:25.28`	`Blapto`	`I take it any comp sci student is a "he"?`
`21:25.40`	`wethrin`	`One of his college children is a 'she'`
`21:25.54`	`wethrin`	`One of? Maybe his only. I don't know.`
`21:26.28`	`Blapto`	`OK`
`21:26.32`	`wethrin`	`Why? Thinking of coming to the frozen north?`
`21:26.38`	`wethrin`	`We'll make you join the whisky society if you do`
`21:27.11`	`Blapto`	`I'm considering it`
`21:27.17`	`*** join/#gllug psnl (i=psn@bylands.dur.ac.uk)`
`21:27.19`	`wethrin`	`There he is`
`21:27.21`	`Blapto`	`But you'll probably have left by then.`
`21:27.22`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Fire away`
`21:27.23`	`Blapto`	`Hi psnl`
`21:27.31`	`psnl`	`Hi Blapto`
`21:27.50`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Blapto wants to become a Durham CompSci`
`21:27.56`	`Blapto`	`First question, why do uni websites never actually tell you anything whatsoever?`
`21:27.57`	`psnl`	`when?`
`21:28.04`	`Blapto`	`06 or 07 entry.`
`21:28.14`	`Blapto`	`More than likely 07.`
`21:28.21`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: Because Universities never give out information as a rule`
`21:28.29`	`wethrin`	`You have to shout at them lots before they do`
`21:28.30`	`psnl`	`becuase they save the info for the students`
`21:28.37`	`wethrin`	`DUO`
`21:28.47`	`Blapto`	`But there's actually no info whatsoever.`
`21:29.00`	`psnl`	`wethrin: compsci don't use duo`
`21:29.04`	`Blapto`	`They tell you what lectures you attend, and that's it.`
`21:29.10`	`psnl`	`Blapto: what do you want to know?`
`21:29.15`	`Blapto`	`Well, modules.`
`21:29.57`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Good for them :)`
`21:29.59`	`Blapto`	`Hang on, somebody is rubbing my soft furry underside.`
`21:30.04`	`Blapto`	`Ah, they've gone.`
`21:30.28`	`Blapto`	`First off, it's a MEng?`
`21:30.32`	`Blapto`	`Or MSci?`
`21:30.35`	`Blapto`	`Irrelevant really`
`21:31.28`	`Blapto`	`That's poorly worded. The website says at the end of the freshers site: "Conclusion: What's the Point?"`
`21:32.20`	`psnl`	`Blapto: you do Computer systems (networks, archs, DBs OSes), formal aspects (bits of maths that are useful) and programming and data structs, (which is a duoble module). you then do two modules from another subject or two to fill out the year`
`21:33.01`	`Blapto`	`Right, that's what I was basically about to ask.`
`21:33.10`	`Blapto`	`I take it it's roughly the same format for the other years?`
`21:33.25`	`psnl`	`yeah. but all compsci`
`21:33.57`	`psnl`	`b.m.hodgson@dur.ac.uk is the guy to ask`
`21:34.08`	`Blapto`	`It's a three year course, so probably a B? What if I want to do an M? Just do another year or...?`
`21:34.18`	`psnl`	`another year, I think`
`21:35.07`	`Blapto`	`In one of: * Internet Systems and E-Business`
`21:35.07`	`Blapto`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.40`	`Blapto`	`?`
`21:37.24`	`Blapto`	`Yeah, but I was confirming it, they look like somewhat strange courses in relation the undergrad modules on offer.`
`21:39.20`	`psnl`	`the compsci course is pure compsci, but the M* courses aren't just for people going on from their degrees.`
`21:39.46`	`Blapto`	`OK`
`21:40.15`	`Blapto`	`So, the course is somewhat self explanatory (once you have some info)... What's the uni/course itself like, as in the stuff you can't tell just from looking at a syllabus?`
`21:41.05`	`psnl`	`I think durham is a nice place, though wethrin has been to more unis and can give a better feel for it`
`21:41.18`	`wethrin`	`Durham's very much like Oxford, but smaller and hillier`
`21:41.28`	`Blapto`	`Heh`
`21:41.35`	`wethrin`	`It's verrah niize`
`21:41.47`	`Blapto`	`Ah, that's it on my UCAS form then, there's a special place for hills in my heart.`
`21:41.53`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: If you come for 06 entry, I'll still be here`
`21:42.00`	`wethrin`	`And there's an active hill-walking society`
`21:42.04`	`psnl`	`Blapto: join DUHWS, if you come`
`21:42.09`	`wethrin`	`And DUWAS`
`21:42.12`	`wethrin`	`And Compsoc`
`21:42.16`	`wethrin`	`And Go Club`
`21:42.16`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`21:42.17`	`Blapto`	`WAS?`
`21:42.20`	`Blapto`	`Go Club?`
`21:42.28`	`Blapto`	`(IRC needs a sarcasm flag)`
`21:42.39`	`wethrin`	`Whisky Appreciation Society`
`21:42.42`	`psnl`	`wethrin: you mean he doesnt play go or drink whisky?`
`21:42.51`	`Blapto`	`I drink whisky.`
`21:43.01`	`psnl`	`good good`
`21:43.04`	`wethrin`	`Good. Nice whisky?`
`21:43.33`	`Blapto`	`I don't usually remember, so it must be.`
`21:43.40`	`wethrin`	`Hr`
`21:43.40`	`wethrin`	`Hrm`
`21:45.12`	`mozrat`	`Good evening fellow gllugers`
`21:45.33`	`wethrin`	`Eyup morsi^Wmozrat`
`21:46.01`	`wethrin`	`:-)`
`21:46.17`	`psnl`	`since I'm not a glluger, I'm off back to the friendly world of #compsoc`
`21:46.40`	`Blapto`	`It's not on freenode?`
`21:46.56`	`wethrin`	`It's not.`
`21:47.00`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Get thee to London!`
`21:47.02`	`psnl`	`there are other irc networks out there`
`21:47.15`	`Blapto`	`Ah, that's what the freenode version doesn't look too friendly.`
`21:47.20`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`21:47.22`	`Blapto`	`why even.`
`21:47.27`	`wethrin`	`More or less friendly than #debian?`
`21:47.28`	`mozrat`	`hello anyway pnsl`
`21:47.36`	`psnl`	`wethrin: costs a lot to live there, everyone has these odd accents`
`21:47.37`	`mozrat`	`I'm fussy, I'll greet anyone`
`21:47.41`	`Blapto`	`Don't go near #fedora.`
`21:47.45`	`psnl`	`hi mozrat`
`21:47.46`	`mozrat`	`I'm not fussy, rather`
`21:47.51`	`Blapto`	`It's condensed arrogance.`
`21:48.07`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Piffle. It's the Geordies wot sound strange they do`
`21:48.12`	`Blapto`	`Oh god`
`21:48.20`	`Blapto`	`What's the northern monkey vs human rate ;)?`
`21:48.31`	`psnl`	`they have strange accents too ;-)`
`21:48.58`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: 4:1`
`21:50.13`	`wethrin`	`At least in Newcastle`
`21:50.14`	`Blapto`	`Nah, s'ok, I'll manage, just.`
`21:50.18`	`wethrin`	`Durham's only like that late at night`
`21:51.19`	`psnl`	`wethrin: you live in the uni part of town`
`21:51.30`	`wethrin`	`psnl: The city centre? :)`
`21:51.59`	`psnl`	`howlands Farm is the city centre?`
`21:52.05`	`wethrin`	`PFH was`
`21:52.09`	`wethrin`	`(close enough)`
`21:52.14`	`wethrin`	`Howlands is 70% Chinese`
`21:52.19`	`wethrin`	`And in PFH they break things`
`21:53.34`	`psnl`	`you know these freshers...`
`21:54.59`	`Blapto`	`what's the town like? Apart from cold and hilly.`
`21:55.24`	`psnl`	`small, old,`
`21:55.35`	`psnl`	`pretty`
`21:55.54`	`wethrin`	`It's only cold between August and June`
`21:56.11`	`wethrin`	`And occasionally in July`
`21:56.28`	`psnl`	`late oct to may, I feel. and it never gets too cold for real people`
`21:56.41`	`wethrin`	`Bloody Scots ;-)`
`21:57.22`	`Blapto`	`I'm never cold.`
`21:57.39`	`psnl`	`Blapto: come to Durham then`
`21:57.44`	`wethrin`	`Yes. Come to Durham.`
`21:57.52`	`Blapto`	`I lie.`
`21:57.55`	`Blapto`	`I've felt cold once.`
`21:58.01`	`psnl`	`hey, you were running!`
`21:58.08`	`wethrin`	`Muahaha`
`21:58.14`	`Blapto`	`It was Feb, snowing outside, and I was on an army training exercise.`
`21:58.20`	`Blapto`	`And I was outside at the time.`
`21:58.43`	`Blapto`	`In a camo shirt and lightweight trousers.`
`21:58.44`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`21:58.52`	`psnl`	`so snowing inside is a problem in the warm south?`
`21:59.08`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Yes. They all have open-air houses`
`21:59.08`	`Blapto`	`I forget where I was.`
`21:59.21`	`Blapto`	`I fell asleep just fine.`
`21:59.49`	`Blapto`	`When I woke up, it was below zero, and my clothes were wet and crunchy in the bits where they weren't touching my body.`
`22:00.09`	`wethrin`	`hm`
`22:01.05`	`Blapto`	`It was actually quite cold. Fixed it by starting a fire though.`
`22:01.48`	`mozrat`	`yay - Python!`
`22:01.52`	`wethrin`	`On your trousers?`
`22:01.53`	`mozrat`	`the Monty TV type`
`22:02.03`	`Blapto`	`Paramount?`
`22:02.03`	`wethrin`	`Seen it`
`22:02.07`	`wethrin`	`Got the whole lot`
`22:02.11`	`mozrat`	`BBC4`
`22:02.22`	`Blapto`	`Hmm, I might sleep instead, I've most likely seen it.`
`22:02.33`	`Blapto`	`Llamas are larger than frogs!`
`22:02.51`	`psnl`	`wethrin: is that: I have the whole lot on my fileserver, or its on a hard disc in my house?`
`22:03.04`	`wethrin`	`Filesewer`
`22:03.09`	`Blapto`	`The llama is a quadruped that lives in large rivers like the amazon. It has two ears, a heart, a forehead and a beak... for eating honey.`
`22:03.13`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Want me to dump it onto hard disk for you?`
`22:03.30`	`Blapto`	`wethrin, url?`
`22:03.43`	`Blapto`	`I'll mirror it on my dedi server?`
`22:03.51`	`psnl`	`wethrin: no thanks?`
`22:04.16`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: smb://192.168.26.3/video/Comedy/Complete/Monty\ Python\Flying\ Circus/`
`22:04.31`	`wethrin`	`psnl: Fair enough`
`22:04.35`	`Blapto`	`torrent?`
`22:04.44`	`psnl`	`smb. you should be shot.`
`22:04.50`	`wethrin`	`psnl: NFS sucks more`
`22:04.52`	`Blapto`	`slowly ;)`
`22:05.06`	`wethrin`	`Blapto: www.digitaldistractions.org has them`
`22:05.17`	`psnl`	`no, nfs sucks, but not as bad as smb`
`22:05.35`	`wethrin`	`It does trying to mount NFS under OS X`
`22:06.02`	`Blapto`	`SMB is fairly cross platform.`
`22:06.08`	`psnl`	`get a real OS`
`22:06.18`	`wethrin`	`bite me :-P`
`22:06.49`	`psnl`	`nah, using smb will do that in the long run`
`22:06.49`	`Blapto`	`gladly`
`22:08.53`	`wethrin`	`It manages to just about work`
`22:09.09`	`wethrin`	`If you can get NFS to work between Linux and OS X, I'll buy you yet another beer`
`22:12.48`	`wethrin`	`If it works faster than SMB, that'd be good`
`22:13.35`	`Blapto`	`http://www.bresink.de/osx/NFSManager.html`
`22:14.41`	`psnl`	`wethrin: do you have some way of snycing accounts between your filesewer and your osX box?`
`22:14.56`	`Blapto`	`the way to do it is rsync`
`22:15.20`	`psnl`	`notsyncing files, but syncing uids`
`22:15.35`	`Blapto`	`rsync the shadows :D`
`22:16.18`	`wethrin`	`psnl: No`
`22:16.25`	`Blapto`	`Surely LDAP?`
`22:16.45`	`wethrin`	`I'm not going to go setting all the fancy stuff up`
`22:16.51`	`wethrin`	`Individual passwords work for me`
`22:16.53`	`psnl`	`nfs is a lot easier if you do that`
`22:17.06`	`wethrin`	`psnl: It can do IP-address-based foo as well`
`22:17.08`	`psnl`	`wethrin: I pass around /etc/passwd`
`22:17.18`	`wethrin`	`OS X uses strange things`
`22:17.21`	`wethrin`	`NetInfo`
`22:17.46`	`psnl`	`In two weeks time I will come and have a poke`
`22:17.56`	`psnl`	`I have to go up that way anyway`
`22:18.49`	`mozrat`	`OSX doesn't use /etc/passwd by default`
`22:19.55`	`wethrin`	`Sure. It'll take you more than 5 minutes, though`
`22:23.09`	`wethrin`	`Oh, if you could get Appletalk to work....`
`22:26.49`	`Blapto`	`Nice talking to you`
`22:26.54`	`Blapto`	`I'm off to bed.`
`22:27.03`	`Blapto`	`thanks for the help`
`22:31.15`	`wethrin`	`night Blapto`
`22:39.37`	`wethrin`	`night all!`
`22:41.15`	`mozrat`	`nn!`
`23:07.16`	`*** join/#gllug Erwin (n=erwin@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Erwin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`

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