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00:16.43wethrinOops
00:16.46wethrinYou've broken it?
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00:20.03wethrinnight!
00:22.22rhoweYeah, vinum well and truly b0rk :P
00:22.25rhowefix it tomorrow
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06:04.40resuDaedanyone up?
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06:25.37resuDaedskugg_ : you up?
06:53.13ebbeyesmorning ;)
07:03.19GeorgeCope_: ?
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07:09.49ebbeyeshi leeds
07:10.53Georgeeyup Leeds
07:11.12ebbeyeshi george
07:11.34Georgeello
07:12.13ebbeyesnice morning
08:31.34resuDaedmorning all
08:32.22resuDaedI have more hubs/switches than boxes... strange
08:32.57resuDaed8 hubs and only 6 boxes
08:35.43ebbeyes:O
08:35.55ebbeyeshow many of them switches?
08:36.34resuDaed1 :-)
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10:56.47wethrinmorning
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11:18.21Leedsokay, I've managed to do absolutely nothing today
11:21.40wethrinHurrah
11:35.52Leedssomething has made my Treo extremely unstable today
11:37.41wethrinhm
11:40.31wethrinpebble?
11:41.50Leedslike rock only smaller?
11:42.04wethrinDon't remind me about Rock Linux
11:43.19rhoweLeeds: hm.. between 8 and 64Mb
11:43.37rhoweLeeds: It's basically Debian but rehashed so that it works nicer on CF cards and on Soekris-type boxes
11:43.47wethrinRun OpenBSD on Soekris
11:46.21Leedsback to the same question: eat in, eat out, or takeaway
11:46.43wethrinTakeaway
11:46.52wethrin(which is Eat In, isn't it?)
11:47.08Leedsnope
11:47.24wethrinOR do you not eat your takeaways in?
11:47.29Leedseat in means either going to the supermarket or taking something from the fridge/freezer/cupboard
11:47.38wethrinPedant :-P
11:47.38Leedstakeaway means going and buying a complete prepared meal
11:47.49wethrinYes, but you eat it in
11:48.14Leedstrue - but it's not the same as eating in
11:48.49wethrinDepends how pedantic you are in your definitions :)
11:49.13Leedsnope
11:49.20wethrinpff
11:49.56Leedsthe other main difference is in cost - I can eat in for $0 (using already-present food) or maybe $50 (going to the supermarket), while takeaway is likely to cost more than that
11:50.08wethrinWhat's that in real money?
11:50.29Leedsibot change 50 hkd to gbp
11:51.07Leedson the other hand I could just go across the road to the local cafe (the nice one, not the nasty one - there are two) and have veggie fried noodles for $44+10% tip
11:51.09wethrinThat's cheap. Go for takeaway. Less effort. And you earn far too much money
11:51.16wethrinMm
11:51.51Leedsum... I'm waiting to see if anyone actually attempts to pay me this week, being start/end of the month and all - which would mark the first time I've actually been paid properly in HK
11:52.12wethrinHave you got an HK bank account?
11:52.25Leedsyes
11:52.43Leeds2, in fact - an HKD current account and a GBP savings account
11:52.54gregjwhat's the frequency of current in UK ?
11:52.56gregj50 or 60hz ?
11:53.04wethrin50
11:53.16wethrinOnly US/Canada and some dodgy Asian countries use 60Hz
11:53.31Leedsyeah, the electrical system is pretty much UK - same plugs/voltage/frequency/etc.
11:53.39Leedsit's rather convenient :-)
11:54.02gregjwethrin: whole UEU  for instance has 60
11:54.06gregjand 230V
11:54.19wethrinUEU?
12:08.55Leedshmm... no answer
12:19.15wethrinhum
12:26.38Leedsnoodles it is
12:26.47Leedswhen in Rome, etc.
12:27.20Leedsand yes, I'm aware I'm a long way from Rome... /me gone
12:28.24rhowewhee
12:41.59wethrinrar
12:54.08Cope_ooh, where's Cope
12:54.48wethrinCOOOPPPEEEE
12:54.53Copewave wethrin
12:55.03Copehello
13:04.31ebbeyeshiya
13:42.56Leedsmmm... rice&veg :-)
13:44.16LeedsI had "Buddhist vegetables" on the basis that they're probably reasonably safely vegetarian...
13:45.53murbLeeds: i read that as Buddhist vegiterians
13:46.16murbpresuably if they were slaughtered in the appriate way.
13:46.22Leedssure
13:46.28Leedsand as long as there's no pork thrown in
13:47.12Leedsthe guy asked me if I wanted the fixed meal, I asked what it was, he said chicken, I said sorry, no meat, he said ah, you eat vegetarian food?, I said yes, he said, and no pork either?
13:47.38Leedspork being such a staple that "no meat" and "vegetarian" obviously don't cover it :-)
13:48.14murbLeeds: have to start breading kosha pigs then..
13:48.24murbin a vat.
13:48.36Leedsthat's kosher
13:48.58Leedsand no, it wouldn't work...
13:50.14murbLeeds: if it was cheaper..
14:01.50rhowehm.. don't think I can get sarge down to 32Mb
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14:12.52JAVgood afternoon
14:19.43JAVGeorge: are you in Malaga? :D
14:20.27Georgeyes
14:21.50JAVMálaga (Andalusia Region), Spain  --> from http://conference2005.kde.org/
14:22.16Georgeyes
14:22.18JAVAndaluCia
14:26.41Leedsc=th :-)
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14:28.45LeedsresuDaed: BTW, did you get the message I left for you the other day?
14:30.12JAV26 August - 4 September, 2005  KDE people have jobs, haven't they? :)
14:33.12wethrinNo
14:33.14wethrin:)
15:59.41GeorgeI don't have a job :D
16:00.05murbice cream sounds like a good idea.
16:11.49wethrinIndeed
16:11.58wethrinbut then I won't feel like eating at dinnertime
16:12.38Leedstime to think about doing bed-like things here
16:12.53wethrinHeh
16:18.37Leedsactually, given that most of the day has involved bed-like things (to whit, lying in it), I should say sleep-like things
16:20.53wethrin:-)
16:21.50wethrinSad bastard
16:24.31Georgewhat?
16:24.41Georgethere was a key signing party today
16:24.46wethrinHow incredibly sad
16:25.03Georgenot as sad as doing 3 degrees
16:25.08murbwethrin: well to talk about it on irc maybe.
16:25.18wethrinmurb: True
16:25.25murbto renew domains with nominet
16:25.33wethrinNow talking about a real party, that's good
16:25.42wethrinGeorge: err...
16:26.12George?
16:26.58wethrinWhy's it sad being a student?
16:28.23rhowehmm... hungry
16:28.26rhoweSomeone feed me
16:29.39wethrinI have venison steaks to make
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16:32.29JAV2 hours looking for a mp3-key win98 drivers
16:32.46wethrinheh
16:32.52JAVplug it in linux and it works
16:32.59wethrinheh
16:33.09wethrinI'll bet it's because your Linux distro is newer than Win98
16:33.11JAVthings are changing
16:33.14wethrinSo you can't really compare
16:33.24wethrinIt'll work fine with Win2k or WinXP, I bet
16:33.28JAVyou are true :D
16:34.12JAVlet's see...
16:34.42JAV2002-07-08
16:34.57wethrinSo about Win2k SP2
16:35.06JAVyes, win98 was installed before
16:35.18wethrinYes. 4 years previously
16:36.31JAVyes, maybe not a fair comparation :)
16:36.34wethrinIndeed :)
16:38.10JAVyesterday I was trying to plug my synth here... I had a relative success
16:38.39gregjwethrin: ;)
16:38.44JAVrecogniced, but it didn't work
16:39.04JAVso I'll have to read doc
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16:40.24Georgeconfigure:32580:  --silent --mode=link g++ -o conftest -W -Wall -Wimplicit -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wwrite-strings -g -I/usr/qt/4.0.1//include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include  -DQT_THREAD_SUPPOR
16:40.28GeorgeT  -D_REENTRANT  -L/usr/qt/4.0.1//lib -L/usr/lib     -L/usr/lib   conftest.cc  -lQtGui_debug -lpng -lz -lm -ljpeg -ldl  -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE  -lpthread -lQtGui_debug -lQtCore_debug  1>&5
16:40.32George./configure: line 32581: --silent: command not found
16:40.35Georgewoops
16:40.40JAVthe problem today is that it doesn't recognise it at all, no idea
16:40.45wethrinha
16:40.52wethrinodd
16:41.46JAVAug 27 21:50:27 rasca kernel: usb-midi: Found YAMAHA USB-MIDI device on dev 0499:1023, iface 0
16:41.56JAVAug 27 21:50:32 rasca kernel: usbmidi: /dev/midi01: in (ep:82 cid: 0 bufsiz:64) out (ep:01 cid: 0 bufsiz:64)
16:42.09JAVthat was yesterday :(
16:42.20wethrinwhat's changed?
16:46.36JAVusb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6
16:46.36JAVthat's what says it now
16:46.46JAVmaybe the order of modules
16:47.18JAVor something in the side of the synth
16:55.37Leedshmm... I may have to attend: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/28/1553234&from=rss
16:58.22Leedslooks like a really good and very appropriate thing
17:03.18Leedsfoss.lk for the homepage of the event
17:05.40wethrinBoozeup?
17:05.52Leedsdoubt it
17:06.02wethrinoh well
17:06.48Leedsoh fuck, Danese Cooper is at one of the events as "Open Source Diva, Intel Corporation"
17:06.49gregjGeorge is a pussy, he will rather sit and irc pretending he is working, than go out with me and few others to the city for a proper diner
17:06.49Leedssilly bitch
17:06.59gregjwho is she anyway
17:07.12LeedsGeorge: for fuck's sake, go out and enjoy Spain
17:07.44Leedsgregj: she's a silly bitch - used to be the Open Source Diva at Sun, which seemed to be a title she gave herself, and she never seemed to do anything useful for anyone inside or outside the country
17:07.55Leedss/country/company/
17:07.59gregj:-)
17:08.15gregjfuck the titles ppl gave themselves
17:08.23Leedscan't say how well, the events in Sri Lanka will run, but it looks like they've got some good stuff planned
17:09.13wethringregj: Ignore George
17:10.27Leedshmm... okay, need to persuade the cousins to send me to Sri Lanka next week...
17:10.56Leedsand then persuade them that I should be spending the week in Colombo doing Linux stuff, rather than at the factory doing work :-)
17:11.21wethrin:-)
17:15.36Leedswow, there's a blast from the past - someone I worked with at SCO (he did an internship from Cantab) and haven't had any contact with since, and who is apparently now at Intel Research, has just dropped me a "how's life?" mail :-)
17:16.01wethrincool
17:16.09Georgefoo
17:16.18Leedshttp://www.cambridge.intel-research.net/~rennals/
17:16.21wethrinGeorge: you suck
17:16.26wethrinGo and be social
17:17.02LeedsI could give him a gentle boot...
17:17.34wethrinyes
17:17.35wethringood plan
17:17.40Georgewethrin: no
17:17.44wethringo on
17:17.47GeorgeNO
17:17.53wethrinThe whole point of these things is the boozeups
17:18.20Georgeno
17:18.24GeorgeI don't drink
17:18.29wethrinYou should start, then
17:18.30GeorgeNO
17:18.31Leedsso what - get out ther
17:18.38GeorgeI'm busy signing keys
17:18.48Leedsdrinking is *not* essential - socialising and/or networking *is*
17:19.03GeorgeI'M BUSY
17:19.10mozratGeorge, people will respect your choice of not drinking, people won't respect your choice of being unsociable
17:19.16wethrinKeys can be signed at any time
17:19.17Georgemozrat: oh well :)
17:19.21mozratgo out but don't drinkthen
17:19.24wethrinmozrat: I don't respect his non-drinking choice :)
17:19.26GeorgeI'm busy.
17:19.40wethrinGeorge: No. Go out and be social
17:19.44wethrinKeys can be signed when you get home
17:19.45*** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ
17:19.52LeedsGeorge: go out now
17:20.08Georgeno
17:20.22wethrinThere's no point in going to conferences without being social
17:20.43LeedsGeorge: last warning
17:21.35Leedsgregj: is he moving? :-)
17:22.36Georgegregj isn't here
17:22.39Georgehe's gone
17:22.42GeorgeI think
17:22.47Leedsgood - you go too
17:22.50Georgeno
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17:23.10Georgestop being an ass
17:23.22Leedswe are making a serious point
17:23.27Georgehush
17:23.34Leedswe are your elders and far far betters
17:23.40George...
17:24.05Leedsor to put it another way - at least from my point of view - learn from others' mistakes - far better than making them yourself
17:24.19George...
17:27.12Georgeoh well, bye
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17:27.26mozratnerd
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17:31.25mozratMmmm
17:32.00Leedsbut I still like being able to say, in a summary of the past few years of my life: "
17:32.02LeedsSince then, I've moved to Hong Kong to work for a bra company, spending half my time at the factory in Sri Lanka.  Just, you know, for the sake of doing something slightly different with my life..."
17:33.11mozratyeah - it's cool
17:40.56Leedsand wow, how screwed is New Orleans?
17:42.01mozrathow so?
17:42.30mozratoh yeah
17:43.29Leeds6metres below sea level and about to be hit by a honking huge hurricane
17:46.00mozratsurprised theres only "hundreds of thousands" evacuated rather than a million
17:47.13mozrathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana puts the city at 400000 odd
17:48.18Leedsit could well be one of those things where the city itself is technically a lot smaller than the urban area
17:48.35Leedslike, say, London
17:48.39mozratseems to be
17:57.48JAV280 Km/h wind speed. :-O
17:58.47mozratkite flying weather!
17:59.25mozratyou'd probably end up in the next state if you tried
17:59.39Leedslol
17:59.46Leedszzzzz
18:01.10mozrat"However, pumping of groundwater from underneath the city has resulted in subsidence, which has greatly increased the flood risk, should the levees be breached or precipitation is in excess of pumping capacity, as could happen during a hurricane. A major hurricane could create a lake in the central city as much as 30 feet deep, which could take months to pump dry.
18:01.15mozratCanal Street, looking away from the river, 1920s
18:01.18mozrat"
18:01.21mozratCanal Street, looking away from the river, 1920s
18:01.31mozratwhoops - ignore the Canal street bit
18:01.53mozratover zealous copying and pasting
19:58.23JAVhttp://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000560056282/ --> Samsung?s M70 19-inch laptop
20:03.00Blissexthat 19" laptop is quite ridiculous...
20:04.16JAVlots of backaches expected
20:04.17JAV:D
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22:56.28Copehello wethrin
22:56.44wethrinHello. Damn Freenode's IPv6 connection
22:56.52wethrinDamn it to the fifth depth of hell
23:12.15wethrinMm
23:13.34Copebop
23:13.44wethrinmmmm
23:14.27Copewhooa yeah!
23:14.40Copedo do do dopee do do
23:14.40wethrinGrrr. Mobile phones suck
23:14.51CopeIn respect of what?
23:15.05CopeAs mobile communication devices, I'd they they're pretty good.
23:15.37wethrinPff. You can barely communicate on new phones. Take pictures, sure
23:15.39wethrinPlay games, sure
23:15.51wethrinDo video editing, sure
23:15.55wethrinTalk to someone? Hahaha
23:17.08CopeKISS
23:17.11CopeYAGNI
23:17.18CopeDTSSTCPW
23:17.19Copeetc
23:20.05wethrinYAGNI?
23:25.20wethrincome to Durham!
23:26.51rhoweIs it hot and dry in November?
23:27.47wethrinMeh
23:27.47Copeibot yagni
23:27.49ibotfrom memory, yagni is You ain't gonna need it!
23:27.49wethrin:)
23:27.56wethrinah
23:29.28wethrinI had venison steak
23:30.44CopeI had some chicken breasts stuffed with stilton and wrapped in bacon
23:30.53Cope(and cooked)
23:32.20Leedsbloody Treo
23:32.52CopeI wanna treo and I want one now!
23:33.04Cope</blast from past>
23:33.25wethrinNice
23:33.33wethrinTRIIIIO
23:33.46wethrinChicken breasts stuffed with haggis are very nice too
23:33.50Copeyum
23:34.36wethrinIndeed
23:34.44Leedssomething has made it very very unstable
23:34.47wethrinI shall hopefully attempt to make a haggis and whisky pie tomorrow
23:44.15CopeLeeds: what changed?
23:47.18LeedsCope: I don't know
23:49.12Copeaha
23:50.23JAVno firmware upgrade available?
23:51.58Leedsnot since the one I installed a couple of months ago - and that one didn't seem to change the freezing
23:52.28Copenasty
23:53.18JAVso it's a common failure, isn't it?
23:53.28JAVclaim your money back!
23:53.32JAV:)
23:53.46wethrinHm. George still isn't back

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