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| 03:56.38 | Leeds | ibot change 293.70 hkd to gbp |
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| 06:57.29 | Leeds | yay anti-Microsoft (well, anti-computer generally) stuff on the Now Show |
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| 07:15.53 | Leeds | morning morsing |
| 07:45.01 | morsing | morning |
| 07:59.34 | gregj | y0 folks |
| 08:00.48 | gregj | Leeds: few years back at this time we were having picnic at Bletchley park |
| 08:00.49 | gregj | ;) |
| 08:04.21 | new2unix | morning all |
| 08:04.39 | gregj | are you still new to unix :-) |
| 08:05.05 | new2unix | those were fun times :) |
| 08:06.57 | Leeds | life changes... |
| 08:06.58 | new2unix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.10 | Leeds | gregj: you're back in .pl, I'm in .hk... |
| 08:07.38 | Leeds | new2unix: should really have been done by pre-registration |
| 08:10.44 | gregj | Leeds: yep.. |
| 08:11.07 | gregj | Leeds: but what I mean, is rather that it is my birthday... again |
| 08:11.46 | gregj | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050809082902461 |
| 08:11.54 | gregj | anyone read that ? |
| 08:12.42 | Leeds | gregj: birthday? |
| 08:13.25 | gregj | yah know, the day when you were born, but some time later , few years |
| 08:13.25 | Leeds | that article is slightly misleading unless you know how LKP worked |
| 08:13.26 | gregj | :> |
| 08:13.55 | gregj | I have no idea what LKP was |
| 08:14.09 | Leeds | very different from LKF |
| 08:14.46 | Leeds | now, bets... if Amazon sent me something to HK on Monday, by airmail, when will it arrive? |
| 08:15.16 | Leeds | LHK is Lan Kwai Fong, one of the major drinking districts on Hong Kong island |
| 08:15.31 | Leeds | LKP is the Linux Kernel Personality of Unixware - very similar in many ways to Janus |
| 08:15.45 | Leeds | LKF, not LHK |
| 08:16.06 | gregj | Leeds: monday ? |
| 08:16.27 | Leeds | similar enough to Janus that we had a full licensed copy of the Unixware source code to hand for reference purposes so we could see how the SCO people had done it |
| 08:16.31 | gregj | Leeds: cos you guys are in different TZ, and it's going to be Monday up there when there's Tuesday morning in US |
| 08:16.34 | gregj | right ? |
| 08:16.40 | morsing | beer |
| 08:16.53 | gregj | wooble |
| 08:17.39 | Leeds | gregj: what are you talking about? BTW, Amazon UK |
| 08:17.51 | Leeds | morsing: sun, yardarm |
| 08:17.52 | gregj | oh |
| 08:18.04 | gregj | Leeds: I am talking about your amazon |
| 08:18.05 | Leeds | Amazon UK sent it to me in Hong Kong |
| 08:18.43 | Leeds | I know that the shortest time to get here by regular airmail is about 3 days |
| 09:42.02 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4155674.stm |
| 09:42.22 | Leeds | Small cars driving through a safari park in Merseyside have been chased by confused lions who think they are prey. |
| 09:42.33 | Leeds | David Ross, park manager, told the BBC News website that a group of lionesses chased after one Smart car after being confused by its compact appearance. |
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| 09:53.00 | morsing | Erwin! |
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| 10:00.54 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 10:01.30 | Leeds | evening jason_ukfsn |
| 10:02.11 | jason_ukfsn | I've just taken delivery of a new printer. A nice colour laser. |
| 10:02.19 | jason_ukfsn | Bloody enormous thing it is. |
| 10:02.38 | jason_ukfsn | well compared to the printer it replaced it is |
| 10:03.02 | wethrin | Mmm. Colour lasers |
| 10:03.13 | jason_ukfsn | It does proper postscript as well. |
| 10:03.16 | Leeds | nice |
| 10:04.36 | jason_ukfsn | Cost less than £200 |
| 10:04.49 | Leeds | whoa |
| 10:05.07 | jason_ukfsn | and delivered the day after I ordered it - before my cheque to them had arrived. |
| 10:05.29 | Leeds | who from? |
| 10:05.40 | jason_ukfsn | IT Databases Ltd in Lower Sunbury |
| 10:06.01 | jason_ukfsn | It's a Lexmark C510 |
| 10:07.13 | Leeds | are lexmark trustworthy? the name says cheap'n'nasty to me |
| 10:07.41 | jason_ukfsn | It certainly doesn't look cheap or nasty. |
| 10:07.47 | wethrin | Lexmark aren't bad for lasers |
| 10:07.54 | wethrin | It's their inkjets that are cheap'n'nasty |
| 10:08.04 | jason_ukfsn | I don't think I'd buy one of their entry level ink printers but then again I think all inkjets are cheap and nasty these days |
| 10:08.50 | Leeds | hmm... it's actually cheaper to get Amazon UK to ship a (randomly selected) DVD box set to Hong Kong than London, since the taxman doesn't get his cut of the item and shipping cost |
| 10:09.18 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: be careful or we'll all be asking you to bring stuff back for us ;) |
| 10:10.30 | Leeds | bringing back might be a bad term for it |
| 10:10.50 | Leeds | given that it implies me travelling to London |
| 10:11.05 | jason_ukfsn | Well I'm sure you'll find your way back here on the odd occassion. |
| 10:11.24 | Leeds | sure |
| 10:11.52 | eye69 | Of course, people will never remember to order stuff in time for your return. |
| 10:12.21 | Leeds | eye69: oh, they will... |
| 10:12.59 | z00dax | mornings / evenings / afternoons ( adjust to TZ ) |
| 10:13.31 | Leeds | hometime |
| 10:13.34 | Leeds | :-) |
| 10:14.10 | z00dax | aw man, I just got to work an hour back |
| 10:17.54 | Erwin | mrng |
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| 11:30.45 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: shouldn't you be doing something better with your time and sitting on irc? |
| 11:33.41 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: like? |
| 11:34.24 | murb | not sitting on irc and being bored. |
| 11:34.48 | Leeds | I'm not bored... just considering going out to supermarket and/or computer market |
| 11:35.27 | Leeds | wondering what I can do about my nastily-NATed internet service |
| 11:39.30 | Leeds | I do like that they have photos of most of the bus stops alongside the timetable on the website |
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| 11:51.29 | Leeds | hmm, good article: http://travel2.nytimes.com/mem/travel/article-page.html?res=9806E1DA143CF934A35750C0A9629C8B63 |
| 11:53.02 | jason_ukfsn | arg, link to nytimes site requiring login. |
| 11:53.31 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: didn't ask me for a login - maybe it dropped a cookie last time I used bugmenot there |
| 11:54.18 | Leeds | yeah, it did... I've got a little "Welcome, bigbrothernyt" link at the top of the page... sorry |
| 12:20.54 | morsing | Still noone interested in buying my meory? |
| 12:22.29 | morsing | meMory! |
| 12:26.05 | murb | do you have any left? |
| 12:27.10 | morsing | YEs |
| 12:27.33 | jason_ukfsn | spec morsing ? |
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| 13:25.21 | Erwin | Holy shit! How do I get my UK phone number off a the telemarketers' list? |
| 13:26.50 | z00dax | TPS ? |
| 13:26.57 | Erwin | I've had the line for a week and they've started coming in with about 2 hour interval now |
| 13:27.18 | Erwin | Yeah, that's the site I found online. It asked me to enter my email address for confirmation, I hope I won't be trading it for email spam |
| 13:27.25 | z00dax | Erwin: get onto the TPS, ( might take upto 15 - 20 days for it to start making a diff ) - also check btprivacy |
| 13:29.13 | Erwin | Also, all the estate agents in the area take turns sending mail addressed to "Home Owner" advertising their services, grr |
| 13:30.15 | wethrin | Erwin: Tell them you'll only buy from them if they masturbate loudly in their office |
| 13:30.34 | z00dax | Erwin: MPS for that |
| 13:30.49 | Erwin | Great |
| 13:31.08 | z00dax | although the MPS can take upto 2 - 3 months to really make much of a difference |
| 13:31.27 | Erwin | What happens if I registered my death through it? |
| 13:31.55 | z00dax | Dont think they care much. it runs based on your 'familyname' and address. |
| 13:32.35 | z00dax | btw, Experian and Equifax both use MortaScreen and Breavement Register... |
| 13:32.58 | z00dax | so 'passing away' on paper might be a quick way to wipte out your credit score and make sure you never get a Credit Card again :) |
| 13:33.52 | Erwin | Well, it looks like it'll take a few years of living in UK before I even be permitted a bank account anyway |
| 13:34.23 | wethrin | I don't think so - lots of people come here and can open an account straight away |
| 13:48.09 | z00dax | Erwin: are you visiting ? |
| 13:49.39 | Erwin | z00dax: Nah, I'll be here for a while. It's just that Lloyd's wanted a bunch of papers I'm still waiting for the estate agent to send me back countersigned |
| 13:52.51 | z00dax | cool |
| 14:08.09 | Leeds | they are pretty tough nowadays for anti-terrorist-money-laundering reasons |
| 14:30.06 | Leeds | z00dax: you're saying there is a really a product/service/company called MortaScreen? |
| 14:33.10 | z00dax | Leeds: its run by one of those 'so-called-direct-marketing' companies. but yeah it does exist |
| 14:35.17 | murb | do they have a section for having fled the country? |
| 14:35.57 | Leeds | murb: not dead, just 'gone' :-) |
| 14:36.45 | wethrin | murb: Back in .de now? |
| 14:37.02 | Leeds | I've done a little cool-calling (calling Jews for a Jewish charity, so not completely random calls) for charity in my time and we used to collect and swap storys of why Mr. X couldn't come to the phone right now |
| 14:37.08 | murb | oh, it wasn't a very good secret that i was inthe uk was it? |
| 14:37.41 | wethrin | murb: Well, no, given I met you at Amersham station |
| 14:37.53 | Leeds | murb: you were in the UK and you didn't tell me? :-) |
| 14:38.20 | murb | Leeds: i wasn't in the uk for very long! |
| 14:38.39 | murb | and we got half priced trains to london thanks to tesco! |
| 14:39.32 | wethrin | Yup |
| 14:39.34 | Leeds | nice |
| 15:01.13 | eye69 | Does anybody know of an alternative to the quite expensive APC Masterswitch units? I'm in need of remote power control for our servers. |
| 15:01.40 | wethrin | Sinetica NetSwitch? |
| 15:01.44 | Leeds | eye69: we bought a second-hand masterswitch on ebay - done us fine service |
| 15:01.59 | Leeds | eye69: and we beat jason_ukfsn who was also bidding for the same one :-) |
| 15:02.59 | wethrin | Leeds: And you never gave me a password for it! |
| 15:04.06 | Leeds | wethrin: well you're not getting one now - the only thing on it is cheese |
| 15:04.25 | Leeds | butter died *again* at the start of this week |
| 15:04.29 | wethrin | Leeds: Bah! I'm also waiting to know how much money I owe |
| 15:04.34 | wethrin | Eeek. how did it die? |
| 15:05.18 | Leeds | hard drive failure |
| 15:05.24 | Leeds | not fatal, thankfully |
| 15:05.47 | Leeds | enough to make hda go read-only and to stop it coming up on a reboot |
| 15:08.23 | Leeds | so for the past few days we've been madly moving stuff over to marmite |
| 15:08.55 | wethrin | Hm. I thought you were going to move out of Mailbox at some point |
| 15:09.34 | Leeds | marmite is in Texas. |
| 15:09.37 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 15:09.48 | wethrin | So, do you love it or hate it? |
| 15:10.05 | Leeds | it's the not-in-mailbox setup we've been building for months and which is now urgently being pressed into service |
| 15:10.10 | Leeds | I'm getting along pretty well with it |
| 15:10.22 | wethrin | ahha |
| 15:14.35 | murb | has Israel expelled people from the Indian subcontient recently? |
| 15:14.42 | Leeds | in Zionist circles that has a similar effect to saying that England might as well have lost the 2nd world war and been taken over by Nazis - it's that strong a comparison |
| 15:14.50 | Leeds | murb: not modern Uganda... |
| 15:15.41 | Leeds | murb: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/Uganda.html |
| 15:34.45 | Leeds | ibot change 99 eur to usd |
| 16:11.59 | George | Cope: ping |
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| 16:46.28 | Leeds | if anyone is around, can they confirm highbury's mail address is his first name at highbury.net? |
| 16:57.09 | murb | Leeds: one moment. |
| 16:58.10 | murb | cobrin@gmail.com might be valid. |
| 17:04.56 | Leeds | murb: thanks |
| 17:17.28 | Leeds | wow, sip phone suprisingly useful... |
| 17:17.31 | Leeds | sleep time now |
| 18:08.53 | George | Leeds: blah |
| 18:08.57 | George | damn, he's gone |
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| 21:02.36 | George | Cope: damn you for not cleaning your keyboard.. I just took every keycap off, vacuumed the inside, cleaned each and every keycap with alcohol then put it back together again :) |
| 21:02.39 | George | Cope: good as new :P |
| 21:04.11 | wethrin | But....alcohol is for drinking! |
| 21:04.18 | wethrin | I hope you used a non-booze alcohol |
| 21:04.24 | George | not when it's surgical spirit and in mixture with caster oil |
| 21:04.49 | wethrin | Okay. That's excusable, then |
| 21:05.08 | George | otherwise I would have used vodka :P |
| 21:06.24 | wethrin | Smirnoff? |
| 21:09.26 | George | wethrin: do you know how to do a net-inst install of solaris on an SS5? |
| 21:09.50 | wethrin | Nope. I've always used the CDs when installing Solaris |
| 21:10.01 | George | might help if I had a CD-drive :)P |
| 21:11.09 | wethrin | Indeed it might :) |
| 21:11.18 | George | which has been bought off eBay |
| 21:11.22 | George | no idea when it'll arrive though |
| 21:11.30 | wethrin | It should be possible. Set up an NFS server and a tftp server |
| 21:12.12 | George | blah. |
| 21:12.48 | wethrin | I've done net installs of NetBSD before |
| 21:14.59 | George | gah, I wish this had an IDE channel :P |
| 21:15.18 | wethrin | Hm. I've got a few SCSI CD drives at home, but that wouldn't help you |
| 21:15.47 | George | why not? |
| 21:16.58 | stephen | buy a SCSI to IDE converter? |
| 21:17.10 | George | it'll be quicker for my SCSI CD drive to arrive :) |
| 21:17.14 | stephen | or that |
| 21:17.32 | George | wethrin: do you have any SCA scsi disks I can have? |
| 21:17.51 | wethrin | What size? |
| 21:17.59 | George | any |
| 21:18.02 | George | 9.1GB |
| 21:18.22 | George | I have a "Wide-Ultra SCSI-3" disk here... |
| 21:18.24 | George | that sort |
| 21:18.45 | wethrin | Hm. I have quite a few 4.5GB drives |
| 21:18.54 | George | I'll take anything :) |
| 21:19.02 | George | as many as you can spare :P |
| 21:19.03 | wethrin | cheap bastard |
| 21:19.07 | George | bah |
| 21:19.13 | George | SCA drives are hard to come by |
| 21:19.19 | George | I'll pay P&P of course.. :) |
| 21:19.20 | wethrin | No they're not |
| 21:19.25 | George | small ones are |
| 21:19.30 | George | I can't find many on eBay |
| 21:19.31 | wethrin | Heh. Well, they're at home |
| 21:19.41 | George | bah |
| 21:19.43 | George | where's "home"? |
| 21:24.13 | wethrin | Beaconsfield |
| 21:28.09 | wethrin | good luck! |
| 21:28.15 | George | heh |
| 21:28.18 | George | I'll need it :P |
| 21:28.25 | wethrin | Indeed you will |
| 21:31.19 | George | hrmm |
| 21:31.24 | George | how the fuck do you set up NFS on Gentoo? :) |
| 21:33.03 | wethrin | fuck knows. Use a proper OS |
| 21:33.09 | wethrin | Try /etc/exports |
| 21:33.14 | George | what the smeg is /etc/ethers? |
| 21:33.50 | wethrin | man 5 ethers |
| 21:34.03 | wethrin | It maps hostnames to MAC addresses for bootp |
| 22:04.02 | wethrin | Maybe it's in a different place? |
| 22:04.12 | rhowe | find didn't |
| 22:04.33 | stephen | rhowe: in my experience I've always had to create it myself |
| 22:04.51 | rhowe | stephen: Yeah, looks that way. Shouldn't be too much hassle |
| 22:04.55 | wethrin | hm |
| 22:05.04 | rhowe | stephen: Then again, not sure I want to run ntpd on this box anyhow. I think it should run on the Soekris |
| 22:05.11 | rhowe | Maybe run it as a client |
| 22:05.25 | stephen | aye, that's what I do on most boxes |
| 22:05.49 | rhowe | P home.p0 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 2029 MB |
| 22:05.49 | rhowe | P home.p1 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 2029 MB |
| 22:05.52 | rhowe | woo :) |
| 22:05.57 | rhowe | vinum's mostly happy |
| 22:06.48 | wethrin | Yarr. That's usual if you haven't stated the mirror |
| 22:06.49 | wethrin | *started |
| 22:06.56 | wethrin | 'start home.p1' should DTRT |
| 22:07.07 | rhowe | wethrin: the disk behind p1 doesn't exist :) |
| 22:07.13 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 22:07.14 | wethrin | Oops |
| 22:07.20 | rhowe | Well, it does, but it's dead |
| 22:07.25 | wethrin | Oops |
| 22:07.29 | rhowe | Or rather, "It's dead, Jim" |
| 22:07.36 | rhowe | 9.1G replacements on their way from ebay |
| 22:08.20 | wethrin | Eeexcelllent |
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| 22:09.26 | rhowe | 3 of 'em, which gives me a cold spare |
| 22:11.19 | wethrin | mm |
| 22:14.40 | rhowe | Although somehow I suspect vinum will only automatically notice drive removal, not insertion |
| 22:16.01 | wethrin | Correct |
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