| 00:00.38 | wethrin | Good for you! :-) |
| 00:00.43 | wethrin | I had excellent dinner tonight |
| 00:06.19 | Leeds | hmm... I don't actually know why I've downloaded the Now Show since I could just listen to it from the bbc website |
| 00:08.20 | wethrin | So you can loisten when it disappears from the BBC website |
| 00:26.47 | Leeds | wethrin: by the way, did you see the mighty mouse? |
| 00:51.28 | George | the mighty mouse is ridiculous |
| 01:25.42 | z00dax | when exactly is the triathlon ? |
| 01:28.10 | Leeds | triathlon??? |
| 01:28.45 | z00dax | man, i spent a sold 2 hrs baking my ass on the A13 trying to get home |
| 01:29.30 | Leeds | I'm about to go to work... |
| 01:29.47 | z00dax | they have major portions of the road shutdown for the triathalon ... which, iirc, isnt on till the weekend ? |
| 01:29.53 | z00dax | Leeds, be cool! |
| 02:37.30 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 02:46.55 | *** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@dsl-80-46-110-1.access.as9105.com) |
| 04:03.35 | Leeds | morning darling |
| 04:08.05 | gregj | :> |
| 04:08.23 | gregj | I have driving lessons today, tommorow and day after |
| 04:08.33 | gregj | 2h yeach, 7:00 in da morning |
| 04:08.39 | gregj | last 6 hours to drive |
| 04:08.48 | gregj | but why so early... #@^$@%!#$^%@#^ |
| 04:11.45 | Leeds | if you can drive at that time of the morning, you can drive at any time of day... it's like with the gears - in the UK, if you take your test in an automatic car, you are only licensed to drive automatic cars |
| 04:23.31 | gregj | funny |
| 04:23.43 | gregj | you can't do lessons on automatic here |
| 04:23.51 | gregj | you have to have manual, by the law |
| 04:24.06 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.52 | gregj | in Canada they only do tests on automatic, you can ask for manual, but it means that you probably won't pass |
| 04:25.06 | gregj | cos they will likely find that you are not driving very smooth |
| 04:27.39 | gregj | ok, I'm off |
| 04:27.42 | gregj | gotta cycle there |
| 04:30.05 | Leeds | seeya |
| 04:57.58 | Leeds | ibot change 5460 hkd to gbp |
| 06:42.48 | murble | moin |
| 06:45.34 | *** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@linux.kristne-gym.dk) |
| 06:45.55 | morsing | Ey up! |
| 07:02.08 | Leeds | good morning |
| 07:10.50 | Leeds | ibot change 9399 hkd to gbp |
| 07:17.23 | Leeds | the same Dell screen which costs that much in HK costs 860 in the UK |
| 07:20.24 | Leeds | ibot change 959.20 usd to gbp |
| 07:21.05 | Leeds | possible the HK price doesn't include shipping... |
| 07:51.14 | mozrat | Good morning |
| 07:54.20 | Leeds | mozrat: open a python intrepreter and do "import this" |
| 08:06.27 | mozrat | Leeds yeah, I've seen that :) |
| 08:06.31 | mozrat | python mantra |
| 08:26.32 | morsing | What? |
| 08:28.24 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 08:29.21 | mozrat | morsing: type python -c import this |
| 08:29.43 | *** join/#gllug gregj (~gj@62.121.136.6) |
| 08:29.48 | mozrat | or even python -c "import this" |
| 08:31.33 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 08:34.22 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 08:42.33 | Leeds | mozrat! |
| 08:43.07 | Leeds | uh... :-) |
| 08:43.26 | mozrat | Leeds :( |
| 08:43.35 | mozrat | you were doing so well until then |
| 08:44.01 | Leeds | mozrat: am I not allowed to say hello to you now? |
| 08:44.52 | Leeds | hmm... I appear to have written a simple document repository in about 500 lines of Python :-) |
| 08:45.36 | mozrat | Leeds, I rather suspect you were greeting morsing and not I, you Indian greeter |
| 08:46.19 | Leeds | mozrat: morsing isn't Indian, he's Danish... |
| 08:46.53 | mozrat | :) |
| 08:47.08 | Leeds | seriously, what's an "Indian greeter"? |
| 08:47.28 | mozrat | Like an Indian Giver |
| 08:47.34 | mozrat | who gives and then wants it back |
| 08:47.40 | mozrat | you've never heard that term before? |
| 08:47.57 | Leeds | nope |
| 08:48.04 | mozrat | hmm |
| 08:48.23 | mozrat | http://www.wordorigins.org/wordori.htm |
| 08:49.53 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 08:50.04 | wethrin | Grrr. My trackpad's stopped working again |
| 08:54.04 | morsing | What?! |
| 08:54.55 | Leeds | why!? |
| 08:56.03 | morsing | Ledds: Rack server? |
| 08:57.15 | Leeds | morsing: silly fool didn't reply to my text... hang on |
| 09:12.03 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5793933589&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 09:13.48 | Leeds | morsing: so, bid... I'd be very suprised if the amount didn't go up a long way before the end of the auction |
| 09:14.41 | Leeds | ah, I see you have been bidding |
| 09:16.24 | morsing | Leeds: The other ones he sold went for 250-280 |
| 09:19.51 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:20.01 | Leeds | then we're probably no help |
| 09:37.14 | Leeds | http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/607674.html |
| 09:40.28 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (~erwin@Erwin.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 09:42.04 | morsing | Erwin! |
| 10:09.17 | Erwin | Hello. Why are YOU in the Greater London Linux User Group channel? :-) |
| 10:09.41 | Leeds | evening morsing |
| 10:10.03 | morsing | Evening Leeds |
| 10:10.13 | morsing | Erwin: wethrin told me I had to |
| 10:11.11 | Leeds | Erwin: why shouldn't he be here? |
| 10:11.53 | Erwin | Because his hostmask suggests he's, like me, in Denmark? :) |
| 10:12.14 | morsing | Erwin?!? Does it? |
| 10:12.15 | Erwin | So a London linux user group channel may be a strange place to hang out. My excuse is that I'm moving there :) |
| 10:12.31 | morsing | Why does my hostmask say that? |
| 10:13.03 | Leeds | Erwin: and where do you think I am? :-) |
| 10:13.08 | morsing | Ahh... !!! My ADSL is down so I've logged in somewhere else to gain access |
| 10:13.17 | Erwin | ah, OK, heh. |
| 10:13.49 | morsing | Erwin: So are you coming to the next meeting? |
| 10:14.16 | Erwin | Well ,I managed to get BT to connect my phone line while abroad and with some luck I'll have ADSL access from Zen from day 1. |
| 10:14.43 | Erwin | Well -- according to the web page the next meeting is on June 11, 2005. |
| 10:14.55 | Leeds | Erwin: does that mean you're not coming? |
| 10:14.55 | morsing | highbury?!? |
| 10:15.42 | morsing | ibot wake highbury |
| 10:15.43 | ibot | highbury: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 10:15.48 | Erwin | If my ferry exceeds the speed of light so that I travel back in time, I might show up for the June meeting. |
| 10:17.33 | Leeds | hometime! |
| 10:18.23 | morsing | hike! |
| 10:18.30 | Leeds | too hot and too far! |
| 10:23.14 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (~erwin@Erwin.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:23.16 | morsing | Welcome back |
| 10:24.43 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (~erwin@Erwin.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 10:32.54 | morsing | Erwin: When are you coming over? |
| 10:33.05 | morsing | *** Topic for #gllug: Greater London LUG. Next meeting: probably September |
| 10:34.56 | z00dax | $TZ Greetings |
| 10:36.38 | Erwin | Oh. Well, I was looking at the website which is a bit out of date. I'll be in London Tuesday next week :) |
| 10:37.04 | Erwin | I guess the other London Linux groups have more frequent meetings (Lolinux or such) |
| 10:37.54 | Erwin | I hope my remote ordering of ADSL from Zen will work out |
| 10:38.47 | z00dax | Erwin: how are you going to get the LTE setup at your end ? |
| 10:39.23 | Erwin | The what setup? :) |
| 10:42.25 | z00dax | the modem / modem+router / cat / dog / chicken .. whatever you setup on your side of the adsl line |
| 10:42.34 | z00dax | LTE= line Terminating Equipment |
| 10:43.49 | Erwin | Well, Zen says it ships the router I ordered on the activation day, for now I've just entered the order and put in my address/ the phone number BT said they'd activate from today |
| 10:44.24 | Erwin | Supposedly it takes a few days for BT to test the line for ADSL-ness after which Zen proceeds to do something, and I hope that it works out for me to be in the flat in London on the activation & packet delivery day :) |
| 10:44.40 | Erwin | If not, I'll have to dig out the old analogue modem |
| 10:46.19 | z00dax | ah, well in most cases you will get the adsl sync the day BT start this 'supposedly' testing thing... in every case, i've seen, the link is techincally 'live' then. You should be able to login and surf |
| 10:47.39 | z00dax | when you said 'remote ordering' .. I mistook that to mean something like you and the adsl link are not going to be seeing each other at all, the link is being activated at a 'remote' location |
| 10:48.13 | Erwin | Yeah, I'll be in the physical location, but not until a week from now |
| 10:50.31 | Erwin | Mhm, my server guy has configured some graylisting system so all incoming mail connetion get rejected for a random amount of time. I guess it's a good anti-spam tactic (spammers don't retry) but it tries my patience. |
| 10:51.34 | z00dax | 'random time period' does not sound good. |
| 10:52.11 | z00dax | it should only reject once, and leave it upto the remote end to retry based on their own retry mechanism |
| 10:52.30 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@ipvpn095205.netvigator.com) |
| 10:52.50 | Erwin | Yep, it does that. It's just that I saw the mail from zen being rejected for 178 seconds (?) while other mail was rejected for 300 seconds. |
| 11:06.46 | morsing | What do I do about my ADSL? |
| 11:06.55 | morsing | ~seen jason_ukfsn |
| 11:06.57 | ibot | jason_ukfsn <~jason@spc2-watf3-5-0-cust146.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 5d 19h 15m 1s ago, saying: 'profits now that the Met are doing Brazilians for nothing.'. |
| 11:14.08 | *** join/#gllug morsing_ (~morsing@dsl-80-46-110-1.access.as9105.com) |
| 11:28.26 | *** join/#gllug LeedsHK (~richardc@ipvpn095205.netvigator.com) |
| 12:11.44 | *** join/#gllug Leeds-Treo (~richardc@203.142.122.175) |
| 12:12.34 | Leeds-Treo | evening folks :-) |
| 12:26.26 | mozrat | hey Leeds-Treo |
| 12:26.40 | mozrat | There's 3 of you now? |
| 12:29.21 | Leeds-Treo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.17 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:11.15 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 14:14.05 | *** join/#gllug clyphox (~clyphox@82-35-127-97.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:25.41 | *** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@ip70-174-74-114.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 14:57.00 | mozrat | If I have 2 separate accounts SSH'd into a server can they both share the same screen session? |
| 14:57.12 | mozrat | if one su's to the other they get permission denied messages |
| 14:58.07 | LeedsHK | are you su-ing or su --ing? |
| 14:58.33 | clyphox | I've done it before, gave a friend lessons.. can't remember how , wasn't hard iirc |
| 14:58.59 | clyphox | LeedsHK: hows HK btw? |
| 15:00.07 | mozrat | su - |
| 15:05.34 | Erwin | you can attach to someone else's screen session without detaching them |
| 15:05.47 | Erwin | but you'd have to have access to his screen control socket I guess |
| 15:06.03 | mozrat | Erwin: yeah, permission denied is the problem |
| 15:06.11 | mozrat | maybe it's the way he's starting his screen session |
| 15:06.38 | Erwin | they are the same users? |
| 15:07.21 | mozrat | Erwin: no |
| 15:07.29 | Erwin | Well, then the default won't allow you to do that |
| 15:07.31 | mozrat | if I logon using his credentials |
| 15:08.17 | Erwin | ~username/.screen/something is the screen socket which you'd need access to I guess |
| 15:08.17 | ibot | Erwin: okay |
| 15:08.36 | Erwin | ~username/.screen/something |
| 15:08.36 | ibot | somebody said username/.screen/something was the screen socket which you'd need access to I guess |
| 15:09.13 | Erwin | if you check man screen, there seems to be an elaborate ACL system where you can grant other people permission |
| 15:12.12 | mozrat | thanks Erwin I'll have a looksie :) |
| 15:12.23 | mozrat | Apparently Mo Mowlem is critically ill |
| 15:12.27 | mozrat | I quite liked her |
| 15:12.36 | mozrat | Shit N.I. minister though, but a likable lady |
| 15:13.26 | mozrat | Well, I say "shit"... I didn't agree with some of the stuff she did |
| 15:15.37 | LeedsHK | clyphox: pretty good, in general |
| 15:21.16 | mozrat | http://deb.riseup.net/miscellaneous/screen/ << howto share screens |
| 15:49.42 | *** join/#gllug JessicAngel (~AngelChil@jamesmorse.plus.com) |
| 15:50.11 | *** join/#gllug JessicAngel (~AngelChil@jamesmorse.plus.com) |
| 16:18.45 | *** part/#gllug zachary (~zachary@ip70-174-74-114.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 16:27.53 | *** join/#gllug Erwin (~erwin@Erwin.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:30.23 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81.170.10.92) |
| 18:31.02 | highbury | good evening |
| 18:32.54 | clyphox | re |
| 18:38.18 | murble | is it? |
| 18:54.16 | agent99 | hi all |
| 19:46.16 | wethrin | foo |
| 19:49.08 | *** join/#gllug jackds (jack@82-43-52-168.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:12.54 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81.170.10.92) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:12.54 | *** join/#gllug LeedsHK (~richardc@ipvpn095205.netvigator.com) |
| 20:26.59 | *** join/#gllug Catalyst (~AngelChil@jamesmorse.plus.com) |
| 20:50.00 | *** join/#gllug rhowe (rhowe@xiao.siksai.co.uk) |
| 20:54.07 | *** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@ip70-174-74-114.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 20:54.12 | *** part/#gllug zachary (~zachary@ip70-174-74-114.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 20:55.42 | *** join/#gllug bi (dazj@cpc1-ches2-3-0-cust228.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:56.27 | *** part/#gllug bi (dazj@cpc1-ches2-3-0-cust228.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:42.13 | *** join/#gllug anap (~ana@213.78.85.53) |
| 21:55.16 | *** part/#gllug anap (~ana@213.78.85.53) |
| 22:12.11 | *** join/#gllug hurryon (~hurryon@host86-132-113-3.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:12.49 | hurryon | ... |
| 22:13.01 | wethrin | !!! |
| 22:13.05 | hurryon | ^^ |
| 22:13.14 | hurryon | Hi, wethrin. |
| 22:14.43 | wethrin | hi |
| 22:15.06 | hurryon | ... |
| 22:25.30 | agent99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.48 | wethrin | agent99: You going to EuroBSDCon? |
| 22:27.01 | *** part/#gllug hurryon (~hurryon@host86-132-113-3.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:32.25 | agent99 | yeah. you coming? |
| 22:32.38 | wethrin | Nope. Can't really take the time off |
| 22:32.49 | agent99 | go on. you know you really want to. |
| 22:33.56 | wethrin | I know I want to :) I can't really justify it, though |
| 22:33.58 | wethrin | Sadly |
| 22:49.29 | agent99 | Well i have to go to an event this year. missed WhatTheHack, LinuExpo, etc |
| 22:49.55 | wethrin | LBW! |
| 22:52.46 | agent99 | pardon? |
| 23:02.02 | wethrin | Linux Bier Wanderung |
| 23:05.36 | agent99 | but that is 85% social and 15% tech. |
| 23:06.26 | agent99 | or maybe 50% booze, 40% social and 10% tech. |
| 23:06.51 | George | LEG BEFORE WICKET |
| 23:06.54 | George | you muppet. |
| 23:07.39 | agent99 | allo George. |
| 23:08.01 | George | hey agent99 |
| 23:08.34 | agent99 | you coming to EuroBSD? |
| 23:10.44 | wethrin | agent99: Yes. FOSDEM is 90% about the booze |
| 23:11.45 | George | only 90%? |
| 23:11.54 | agent99 | would have made it this year if i'd remembered. :( |
| 23:12.14 | George | I thought it was more like 110% |
| 23:12.51 | agent99 | George: are you old enough to sip cider? |
| 23:13.28 | George | I don't drink. |
| 23:16.35 | agent99 | i dont think my question was answered. |
| 23:17.24 | wethrin | agent99: Will you be Lonixing/London.pm'ing tomorrow? |
| 23:18.18 | agent99 | maybe. should i? |
| 23:18.24 | wethrin | sure, why not? |
| 23:18.32 | wethrin | Lonix is at the beer festival |
| 23:19.39 | agent99 | Olympia? |
| 23:19.44 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 23:20.36 | agent99 | that's not too far from S.Ken, where i work. I'll try. |
| 23:20.50 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 23:21.57 | *** join/#gllug rhowe (~tan@82.133.120.56) |
| 23:23.07 | agent99 | would rhowe be at EuroBSD this year? |
| 23:23.19 | rhowe | Unlikely |
| 23:23.36 | rhowe | Dammit, I just spent 55 quid on wireless kit |
| 23:23.41 | rhowe | Didn't need that, not at all |
| 23:24.43 | agent99 | what did you get? a soekeris |
| 23:27.12 | rhowe | Well, a miniPCI card and pigtail for one |
| 23:28.17 | rhowe | Hopefully tomorrow at work I can get something like pebble linux up and running on it (yeah, I know I should use BSD...) and it can at least do DHCP and DNS etc for the wired LAN |
| 23:29.26 | rhowe | wethrin: Yeah. Definitely can't afford the beer festival now! |
| 23:29.39 | rhowe | Gonna have to skip on a friend's BBQ too |
| 23:31.05 | highbury | having the dmesg output filled with "EXT3-fs error (device sdb7) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted" is lesss than helpfull |
| 23:31.27 | rhowe | heh, XFS would've just shut the filesystem down and returned EIO for everything |
| 23:31.35 | rhowe | Again, not so helpful for / |
| 23:32.19 | highbury | well I think I'll reboot in the morning |
| 23:32.31 | highbury | nn folks |
| 23:33.05 | agent99 | g'night |
| 23:33.34 | wethrin | rhowe: Bah. But beer is good |
| 23:42.23 | rhowe | wethrin: Powershot S70's better :) |
| 23:43.51 | agent99 | rhowe: Powershot G3 is even better. |
| 23:45.36 | rhowe | Only 4MP though... |
| 23:47.35 | agent99 | if it was good enough for me in 2003 then it should be good enough for me now :) |
| 23:48.19 | rhowe | Also !cheap |
| 23:48.55 | rhowe | In the US, the S70 is about US$400. The G6 is around US$500 - over my budget |
| 23:49.14 | rhowe | The S70's already top end of my budget (probably over it, now I've forked out for this wireless kit) |
| 23:49.25 | rhowe | Tomorrow I get to do metalwork and stuff. Fun fun |
| 23:49.42 | rhowe | (Hack a hole in the Soekris case for the R-SMA connector) |
| 23:50.29 | agent99 | i heard there are camera phones with +2MP. You could always take out a new contract and get a new phone/camera. :) |
| 23:51.24 | rhowe | Yeah, there are |
| 23:51.24 | wethrin | rhowe: Meh. You can buy cameras all the time |
| 23:51.30 | rhowe | But nah, I want that S70 :) |
| 23:51.41 | wethrin | More than beer? |
| 23:51.44 | rhowe | You can get it on TCR for 330 quid |
| 23:51.46 | rhowe | wethrin: Yes |
| 23:52.01 | rhowe | Aria did it for 300, now it's 313. Amazon did it for 287 including delivery last I checked |
| 23:52.12 | wethrin | Strange person |
| 23:52.31 | agent99 | wethrin: indeed. |
| 23:52.56 | George | I want an opteron |
| 23:53.02 | George | SOMEONE BUY ME AN OPTERON |
| 23:53.05 | wethrin | Hum. I was hoping to have moved my email over to the new colo machine. But I guess I'll have to do that tomorrow |
| 23:53.06 | George | or rather, 2 |
| 23:53.21 | George | wethrin: slacker |
| 23:53.22 | George | wethrin: do it now |
| 23:54.05 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.09 | rhowe | Hm, that's Amazon |
| 23:54.31 | rhowe | Shame I can't quite bring myself to click yet before I hear back from my agents in .hk, .cn and .sg :) |
| 23:54.59 | rhowe | Oh well, I'm off to bed. 'night |
| 23:54.59 | agent99 | OK. Bed calls. Goodnight all. |
| 23:55.24 | agent99 | Might see some of you later today at Olympia. |