irclog2html for #gllug on 20050617

`00:05.50`	`*** join/#gllug Gonzo (~Gonzo@82-35-16-74.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk)`
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`04:12.04`	`gregj`	`y0 mr Leeds^Wtest`
`04:12.14`	`Leeds`	`morning gregj :-)`
`04:18.28`	`gregj`	`what's on side`
`04:23.47`	`Leeds`	`what's on side?`
`04:23.52`	`Leeds`	`what do you mean?`
`04:23.56`	`gregj`	`sorry`
`04:23.59`	`gregj`	`wrong window ;)`
`04:24.12`	`gregj`	`what's up, that's probably what I ment`
`04:24.29`	`Leeds`	`not too much... off back to HK on Monday night...`
`04:25.17`	`gregj`	`oh`
`04:25.19`	`Leeds`	`you?`
`04:25.29`	`gregj`	`so what was your mission in sri-lanka than ?`
`04:25.37`	`gregj`	`me, I am still slacking in Vancouver`
`04:25.39`	`gregj`	`till 5th`
`04:25.48`	`gregj`	`than back to london for 2 days, and than back to cracow`
`04:26.38`	`Leeds`	`the mission in Sri Lanka was, at a macro level, to see the factory, meet the people, have them meet me... actually be able to understand what goes on`
`04:26.55`	`gregj`	`oh, I see`
`04:27.15`	`Leeds`	`at a micro level, there are things to do, but I've not really achieved much - too hard to get into anything, particularly when I find it so hard to work with the existing systems - AS/400!`
`04:28.04`	`gregj`	`damn, is it a museum ?`
`04:28.18`	`Leeds`	`yeah...`
`04:28.39`	`gregj`	`I have one machine on some ancient bsd unix`
`04:28.51`	`gregj`	`CPU is below 100mhz, and it takes 5s to load perl`
`04:29.07`	`gregj`	`but that will go eventualy`
`04:29.20`	`gregj`	`all other ancient boxes are running linux already`
`04:29.25`	`gregj`	`they're mostly sparcs`
`04:29.27`	`Leeds`	`thing is, the hardware spec of the machine isn't so bad... but the software is appalling, to anyone used to modern machines`
`04:29.41`	`gregj`	`run it over and install linux`
`04:30.07`	`Leeds`	`it's a production system :-(`
`04:30.42`	`gregj`	`get them to buy some sun boxes, ask your ex-employer to give you some hudge discount ;)`
`04:30.57`	`Leeds`	`there is a half-integrated x86 system attached to it, which is currently doing nothing except running windows and being a file server... I've got a promise that they'll move the files onto another windows server and I can have Linux on that box :-)`
`04:31.37`	`Leeds`	`there are other things - like having a different dedicated as/400 machine running domino - but doing nothing but acting as a mail server for 35 or so users...`
`04:32.10`	`gregj`	`so you're ont going to use opensolaris ?`
`04:32.30`	`gregj`	`the only thing I don't like about linux is lack of good documentation of sources`
`04:32.35`	`Leeds`	`doesn't have enough disk space for people to store much mail on the server, so they have to store important mail on their PCs, which aren't backed-up - and of course, you can't just chuck another disk or two into the machine, because it's just just disk, it's "IBM storage"`
`04:32.38`	`gregj`	`both freebsd and opensolaris have it`
`04:32.47`	`Leeds`	`no, I have no intention of using opensolaris`
`04:33.22`	`gregj`	`you know the source, it's now open, thou you probably have sources anyway ;)`
`04:34.27`	`gregj`	`speaking of sources, I have now to modify bind9+dlz in our company to do some things it doesn't do (but bind it self does)`
`04:34.33`	`gregj`	`bind sources are so bad`
`04:34.41`	`Leeds`	`didn't bother taking a copy... knew it was going to be open anyway, and I didn't want to keep playing with it`
`04:34.41`	`gregj`	`writen in old fasion, not very intuitive`
`04:40.48`	`gregj`	`:]`
`04:41.28`	`Leeds`	`blah`
`04:41.45`	`gregj`	`blablah`
`04:42.14`	`Leeds`	`:-)`
`04:50.28`	`Leeds`	`one of the HK/SL cousins is in Canada right now, because he just had a new grandson...`
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`07:15.37`	`mozrat`	`Morning pdr`
`07:15.44`	`pdr`	`morning mozrat`
`07:18.13`	`pdr`	`anything interesting happening this morning?`
`07:18.57`	`mozrat`	`Not so far`
`07:19.19`	`mozrat`	`We have a kitchen downstairs here at work but it's out of action for 8 weeks for refurb`
`07:19.24`	`mozrat`	`I'm a hungry bunny`
`07:19.36`	`mozrat`	`might have to go to the station and get a bagel or something`
`07:20.34`	`pdr`	`hmm.. breakfast.. hadn't thought of that.`
`07:20.44`	`pdr`	`i might do similar when someone else gets in`
`07:26.37`	`rhowe`	`woo`
`07:26.51`	`rhowe`	`Easynet say the LES is down at Monument exchange`
`07:27.00`	`rhowe`	`So, our city office is offline. Wonderful.`
`07:27.07`	`rhowe`	`They have no local servers, so they can't do anything :)`
`07:27.21`	`pdr`	`yay!`
`07:27.24`	`mozrat`	`except solitaire presumably`
`07:27.45`	`rhowe`	`mozrat: True - come to think of it, they shouldn't drop much in terms of productivity :)`
`07:27.51`	`pdr`	`how many people in the city office?`
`07:28.11`	`pdr`	`rhowe: yeah, after all it is friday`
`07:28.13`	`rhowe`	`pdr: hm.. 12 or so`
`07:28.34`	`rhowe`	`pdr: 10-15, depending on who's in and who isn't`
`07:28.53`	`rhowe`	`OK, I'd better get ready for work. bbiab`
`07:29.01`	`pdr`	`just tell them to all go to the pub`
`07:29.13`	`rhowe`	`I don't think they need telling :)`
`07:29.19`	`pdr`	`heh`
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`07:56.22`	`rhowe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:56.24`	`rhowe`	`bleh`
`07:56.35`	`pdr`	`tmi`
`08:06.35`	`pdr`	`what is there to know?`
`08:06.59`	`mozrat`	`I want to do something that I assume is reasonably simple, but I'm such a doofus at image editing`
`08:07.04`	`pdr`	`wears leather, get's brought out from time to time`
`08:07.05`	`mozrat`	`I want every white pixel to be made transparent in an image`
`08:07.36`	`mozrat`	`pdr, Pulp Fiction was on TV recently - what a great film.. I'd forgotton how good it was`
`08:07.38`	`pdr`	`oh, that gimp.. ahem`
`08:07.54`	`pdr`	`not a bad flick i guess`
`08:08.31`	`pdr`	`turning white into transparent eh? there's a few ways to attack that one, and it depends on what you want`
`08:09.28`	`mozrat`	`I have an image with a white background and I want transparency... but it's a bit too complex to simply brush over with the pencil thingy`
`08:09.29`	`pdr`	`two words: fuzzy select`
`08:11.12`	`pdr`	`i assume your image is a photo, and not hard-edged`
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`08:12.57`	`mozrat`	`pdr, a logo`
`08:13.02`	`mozrat`	`fuzzy select seems to be the one`
`08:13.03`	`Blapto`	`Morning all`
`08:13.14`	`mozrat`	`hey Blapto - long time no something`
`08:13.21`	`Blapto`	`Type, perhaps see`
`08:13.30`	`Blapto`	`Exams, computer troubles (had to use windows for a bit)`
`08:13.39`	`pdr`	`mozrat: note that it will make some pixels semi-transparent in that case`
`08:13.45`	`pdr`	`morning Blapto`
`08:13.59`	`Blapto`	`Morning pdr`
`08:16.27`	`pdr`	`hmm.. 76G, that should do it`
`08:16.41`	`Blapto`	`I'm in my parents office. My mum is battling with the aircon unit :(`
`08:16.59`	`Blapto`	`You set temperature and fan speed, how hard can it be?`
`08:18.53`	`Leeds`	`afternoon folks`
`08:19.06`	`pdr`	`hey Leeds`
`08:19.29`	`Leeds`	`pdr: remind me to mail your mum!`
`08:20.00`	`Leeds`	`hmm... apparently Her Maj has an iPod`
`08:20.36`	`Blapto`	`Hi Leeds`
`08:20.41`	`Blapto`	`What part of the world are you in?`
`08:21.02`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: Sri Lanka - a few 10s of km north of Colombo, in an industrial estate at the airport`
`08:21.16`	`Blapto`	`And does she have Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen on it?`
`08:21.28`	`Blapto`	`How long you over there for?`
`08:21.46`	`Leeds`	`only until Monday night, now... been here 3.5 weeks`
`08:21.51`	`pdr`	`Leeds: mail my mum`
`08:22.00`	`Leeds`	`pdr: thank you, I shall`
`08:22.09`	`pdr`	`Leeds: yeah, i saw in the Sun this morning (fine paper that one)`
`08:22.17`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: but leaving here to go back to HK, not back to the UK`
`08:22.50`	`Blapto`	`Ah, stopover?`
`08:23.05`	`Leeds`	`not so much... I've got a small flat to move into there :-)`
`08:23.17`	`Blapto`	`No, is Sri Lanka the stopover?`
`08:23.50`	`Leeds`	`is a stopover working somewhere for 4 weeks?`
`08:24.19`	`Blapto`	`No`
`08:24.34`	`Leeds`	`then no, it's not a stopover :-)`
`08:25.14`	`Blapto`	`Fairy snuff`
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`08:31.47`	`Leeds`	`afternoon muble and skugg :-)`
`08:32.04`	`skugg`	`Leeds: morning`
`08:34.02`	`Blapto`	`murble and skugg, you sound like you come in a pair for some reason.`
`08:36.39`	`pdr`	`sounds like a rather aweful cocktail`
`08:36.57`	`pdr`	`or archaic breakfast`
`08:38.46`	`Blapto`	`I like the cocktail idea`
`08:39.35`	`skugg`	`Blapto: what a wonderfully heinous idea`
`08:39.40`	`skugg`	`;)`
`08:40.02`	`Blapto`	`skugg, what's your favourite drink?`
`08:40.06`	`Blapto`	`And murble, you too?`
`08:40.12`	`murble`	`more beer`
`08:40.33`	`Blapto`	`right, beer's easy to get.`
`08:40.48`	`Blapto`	`and makes for nasty cocktails`
`08:40.51`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: aren't you still a minor?`
`08:41.12`	`skugg`	`Blapto: depends. i'm an in-the-spur-of-the-moment guy.`
`08:41.30`	`Blapto`	`Leeds, that's never actually stopped me,`
`08:41.38`	`skugg`	`right now it's tea.`
`08:41.50`	`Blapto`	`Beer and tea. I'll make it in a drunken stupor tonight.`
`08:41.56`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: never said it did ;-)`
`08:42.07`	`Blapto`	`But yes, I am`
`08:42.11`	`pdr`	`Blapto: never stopped him being a twat either`
`08:42.14`	`pdr`	`:-)`
`08:42.14`	`Blapto`	`In fact, I always have been.`
`08:42.43`	`Blapto`	`pdr, I don't understand who the comment was aimed at...`
`08:43.02`	`pdr`	`oops, wrong channel`
`08:43.17`	`pdr`	`and wrong name`
`08:44.41`	`Leeds`	`I wondered if pdr was talking about me...`
`08:44.48`	`Leeds`	`was rather insulted...`
`08:44.58`	`pdr`	`no, indeed not`
`08:45.34`	`pdr`	`it was meant for another channel`
`08:51.01`	`Blapto`	`Argh, evil fax machine. Doesn't have a speaker in it.`
`08:51.11`	`Leeds`	`how is that evil?`
`08:51.38`	`Blapto`	`I can't tell what's going on, and the LCD doesn't give any useful information, just "dialing" and "waiting to retry"`
`08:51.51`	`Blapto`	`At least have a speaker I can turn on.`
`08:52.15`	`Leeds`	`ah, that is evil`
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`09:28.39`	`pdr`	`much better`
`09:29.47`	`eye69`	`Looking at the topic, 11th June has passed.`
`09:30.16`	`Leeds`	`eye69: and if you weren't looking at the topic, would 11th June still be in the future?`
`09:30.27`	`eye69`	`Leeds: Yes.`
`09:30.34`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`09:34.59`	`skugg`	`good meeting too.`
`09:35.09`	`skugg`	`Leeds: where are you nowadays?`
`09:35.21`	`Leeds`	`skugg: Sri Lanka`
`09:35.27`	`Leeds`	`back to HK next week`
`09:35.45`	`skugg`	`hong kong?`
`09:35.50`	`skugg`	`permanent basis?`
`09:35.50`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`09:35.58`	`skugg`	`or vacation?`
`09:35.59`	`Leeds`	`uh, no... maybe`
`09:36.06`	`Leeds`	`not vacation`
`09:36.56`	`Leeds`	`essentially, I have an offer from a distant-ish branch of my family to work out here - the company is HQed in HK, but has a large factory in SL - my time would be split between the two`
`09:37.28`	`Leeds`	`so I'm out here giving it a go before deciding if I want to go for it or not`
`09:39.16`	`skugg`	`what would you be doing?`
`09:39.19`	`Blapto`	`Surely Saturday 11th June is in the future?`
`09:39.43`	`Blapto`	`Not until 2011, but still...`
`09:39.43`	`skugg`	`Blapto: dunno what time you're living in, but it's not in _my_ future...`
`09:39.50`	`Leeds`	`skugg: bras`
`09:40.07`	`skugg`	`"bras"? doesn't mean anything to me.`
`09:40.08`	`pdr`	`i know there's often large gaps of time between gllug meetings, but 2011?`
`09:40.10`	`skugg`	`what is that?`
`09:40.29`	`Leeds`	`skugg: women's underwear`
`09:40.31`	`Blapto`	`Holds some bits in and pushes other bits out, I suppose.`
`09:40.58`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: yeah, that's about right :-)`
`09:41.18`	`Blapto`	`I hate the things.`
`09:41.44`	`skugg`	`Leeds: ah. them things.`
`09:41.57`	`Blapto`	`They come in about 7 different sizes, and if you want to buy a strange size there's about 2 available, in the world.`
`09:41.58`	`pdr`	`Blapto: droopiness is worse`
`09:42.33`	`Leeds`	`to be more precise, that's what the company does... I'd be doing random IT-type stuff with other options in future... the actual job is rather ill-defined`
`09:43.04`	`Blapto`	`Leeds, like the best of them. Means nobody knows what you're doing, so you can slack off and go on IRC all day.`
`09:43.37`	`Blapto`	`If you set your client to be green text on a black background, people think it looks techie if they're too far away to read the words.`
`09:43.45`	`Leeds`	`Blapto: there is the unfortunate issue of the boss/cousin being a techie...`
`09:44.19`	`Blapto`	`Ah, shame. Tell him you need a single office then. Something that the doctor said about schizophrenia or something, you don't quite remember.`
`09:44.19`	`Leeds`	`and the very very unfortunate option that a significant amount of the existing systems consist exactly of green screen applications - either emulated on a PC or on a physical green screen terminal`
`09:44.58`	`Leeds`	`one of my major goals is to banish the green screen from all (or almost all) PCs`
`09:45.14`	`Blapto`	`you're not getting near my BBCs`
`09:46.32`	`skugg`	`Leeds: see, i was wondering if i should ask about that... (whether that was what the company, or you personally would be doing)`
`09:46.33`	`Leeds`	`you guys have obviously not seen my moaning and anguished screaming about the as/400 setup`
`09:46.41`	`Leeds`	`it's a fucking prehistoric machine`
`09:49.21`	`Blapto`	`Do you have to use it?`
`09:50.00`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`09:50.51`	`Blapto`	`Morning Dan`
`09:51.01`	`Blapto`	`Anybody here ever coded a windows taskbar applet?`
`09:51.58`	`pdr`	`this is scary: http://www.chromance.de/wtf/lol.htm`
`09:52.05`	`pdr`	`probably a hoax`
`09:53.16`	`wethrin`	`morning`
`09:54.16`	`Blapto`	`hmm, we run Dell laptops`
`09:54.28`	`Blapto`	`You in London yet?`
`09:54.28`	`pdr`	`morning wethrin`
`09:55.23`	`wethrin`	`Nope`
`09:55.28`	`wethrin`	`Next Friday I will be`
`09:55.33`	`wethrin`	`Who'll be coming for booze?`
`09:55.42`	`pdr`	`sorry, can't`
`09:55.42`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: I may well be around`
`09:56.02`	`wethrin`	`Excellent`
`09:56.04`	`wethrin`	`pdr: Bah!`
`09:56.14`	`Blapto`	`I may be`
`09:56.15`	`pdr`	`wethrin: i'd like to, but i can't`
`09:56.34`	`Blapto`	`You submitted the thesis yet or is that September?`
`09:56.49`	`wethrin`	`You're 2 years too early`
`09:57.07`	`wethrin`	`Although I'll have a 1st year report to write up (bah)`
`09:57.10`	`Blapto`	`Ah, I've been hearing that a lot recently.`
`09:57.27`	`wethrin`	`Well, all PhDs here have to write a 1st year report`
`09:57.58`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: I hope I'll be away that weekend, but it doesn't seem likely`
`09:58.11`	`wethrin`	`Ah well. So you'll have to come to the pub instead :)`
`09:58.18`	`rhowe`	`Look like it :)`
`09:58.22`	`pdr`	`which pub?`
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`09:58.43`	`wethrin`	`I don't know yet. That requires being organised`
`09:58.53`	`rhowe`	`Dear Sir`
`09:58.56`	`rhowe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:58.59`	`rhowe`	`I have passed your request to my manager to be actioned.`
`09:59.06`	`rhowe`	`STOP BEING SHIT`
`09:59.09`	`wethrin`	`Ow. ACtioned.`
`09:59.11`	`wethrin`	`OW ow`
`09:59.48`	`pdr`	`i think they should leverage their english a bit more gooderer`
`10:00.21`	`wethrin`	`Indeed`
`10:00.45`	`pdr`	`bah, i should probably go do some work`
`10:03.55`	`Blapto`	`Some...?`
`10:05.51`	`Blapto`	`Anybody got samba experience?`
`10:06.52`	`Blapto`	`Ah, panic over.`
`10:08.04`	`skugg`	`no. I only do the tango.`
`10:08.55`	`Leeds`	`skugg: are you saying you've been tangoed/`
`10:11.19`	`pdr`	`i prefer forro`
`10:17.03`	`wethrin`	`skugg!`
`10:17.15`	`wethrin`	`Hi Leeds`
`10:17.26`	`Leeds`	`afternoon wethrin`
`10:17.41`	`wethrin`	`Still enjoying the far east?`
`10:19.23`	`Leeds`	`sort of had enough of Sri Lanka for now (is SL far east?)`
`10:19.53`	`wethrin`	`Sort of`
`10:19.56`	`Leeds`	`but I'm off back to HK on Monday night, which is good`
`10:20.12`	`wethrin`	`And then staying there for another few weeks?`
`10:20.25`	`Leeds`	`yeah`
`10:20.35`	`Leeds`	`back to the UK on the 12th`
`10:22.15`	`wethrin`	`Okay. You still going to be around UK near the end of July / start of August?`
`10:22.16`	`Leeds`	`possibly... haven't fixed a date to come back out here yet - haven't actually decided that I want to come back yet`
`10:23.09`	`Leeds`	`I have a wedding to go to on the 17th, and a concert in Spain I'd like to go to on the 24th...`
`10:23.17`	`wethrin`	`Fair enough. I'm going to be back home at that time, so it'd be nice to meet up`
`10:23.23`	`wethrin`	`aye`
`10:23.40`	`pdr`	`Leeds: what's the concert?`
`10:23.53`	`Leeds`	`pdr: Israeli singer I like`
`10:24.05`	`Leeds`	`the one I went to Paris to hear a while back`
`10:24.10`	`pdr`	`cool`
`10:24.28`	`pdr`	`not someone i'd have heard of then?`
`10:24.59`	`Leeds`	`unlikely, unless you've heard me talking about her here before`
`10:25.05`	`Leeds`	`www.noasmusic.com`
`10:25.14`	`skugg`	`wethrin`
`10:25.28`	`skugg`	`Leeds: i guess you could say that.`
`10:26.08`	`pdr`	`wethrin: what time are you getting to London on Friday?`
`10:26.35`	`pdr`	`if you're early enough, i could possibly meet up for a quick pint`
`10:29.23`	`wethrin`	`pdr: Around 6`
`10:31.25`	`pdr`	`hmm.. i more-or-less have to head off at around 6:30pm`
`10:31.41`	`wethrin`	`Ahh`
`10:31.53`	`pdr`	`have a 9pm flight from heathrow`
`10:32.00`	`wethrin`	`Going anywhere interesting?`
`10:32.03`	`pdr`	`yep`
`10:32.17`	`pdr`	`going to africa`
`10:32.27`	`pdr`	`for a month`
`10:32.34`	`pdr`	`should be fun`
`10:32.37`	`wethrin`	`Ooooooh`
`10:32.39`	`wethrin`	`Very shiny`
`10:32.45`	`wethrin`	`Lucky git :-P`
`10:32.50`	`pdr`	`:-)`
`10:33.08`	`Leeds`	`pdr: oh, it's tomorrow you're off... well, I'll say hi to your mum from you when I see her :-)`
`10:33.18`	`pdr`	`nup, next friday`
`10:33.29`	`skugg`	`pdr: poor sod.`
`10:33.42`	`pdr`	`Leeds: but do say hi for me anyway :-)`
`10:38.03`	`pdr`	`i can't wait - work has been rather crap lately, so it'll be great to get away`
`10:40.34`	`Blapto`	`pdr, bag us a large mammal?`
`10:41.32`	`pdr`	`will try to`
`10:41.35`	`wethrin`	`Mmm.....food`
`10:41.52`	`pdr`	`ibot change AUD3425 to GBP`
`10:43.50`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 3425 aud to gbp`
`10:44.40`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 7000 lkr to gbp`
`10:45.01`	`pdr`	`Leeds: thanks`
`10:45.33`	`Leeds`	`no worries`
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`11:20.52`	`Leeds`	`10 minutes until the official end of the week :-)`
`11:21.28`	`Leeds`	`of course, we'll be here longer than that, and we'll be here tomorrow...`
`11:37.11`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`11:49.55`	`Leeds`	`now how often do you get a quite serious email which starts with the simple greeting: "Gentlemen"`
`11:50.35`	`wethrin`	`Rarely, but you are in strange places`
`11:51.02`	`Leeds`	`no, no - this is a purely UK mail`
`11:51.28`	`Leeds`	`from my barber, annoucing that this weekend is one of their occasional Sunday openings`
`11:51.57`	`wethrin`	`Oh right`
`13:16.32`	`rhowe`	`mm, food`
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`14:05.00`	`Blapto`	`Hi`
`14:05.07`	`wethrin`	`I HAD BEER`
`14:06.21`	`Blapto`	`Well done.`
`14:06.36`	`wethrin`	`Yup`
`14:06.53`	`pdr`	`i didn't :~(`
`14:06.57`	`Blapto`	`I'm going to make that tea/beer cocktail tonight`
`14:07.01`	`wethrin`	`Bah :(`
`14:07.07`	`Blapto`	`hot or cold tea? Milk?`
`14:07.32`	`pdr`	`jasmin tea, mixed with shochuu`
`14:07.43`	`Blapto`	`Today my caffine intake has been truly geeky`
`14:08.01`	`pdr`	`rhowe: bloomsbury tavern?`
`14:08.08`	`rhowe`	`pdr: Could do`
`14:08.10`	`Blapto`	`Large coffee for breakfast, one as soon as I got into the office, one a bit later and a double espesso for lunch`
`14:08.18`	`pdr`	`i have to be sober enough at midnight`
`14:08.28`	`Blapto`	`Also, I've got time to kill from 1600-1730 if anybody's interested?`
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`14:09.26`	`wethrin`	`I'd suggest going to the Founders Arms`
`14:09.33`	`wethrin`	`It's by the river, which is nice`
`14:09.47`	`Blapto`	`I know it`
`14:09.53`	`Blapto`	`It's across the river from my school`
`14:09.57`	`axelS`	`hiho`
`14:10.15`	`Blapto`	`Been in there once or twice but it's risky, I run a high chance of running into a teacher`
`14:10.19`	`rhowe`	`pdr: Do I want to know what you have to be sober enough for?`
`14:10.25`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: Yes, it is nice`
`14:10.39`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: It is also likely to be exceptionally busy :)`
`14:10.48`	`Blapto`	`Does anybody want to do something this afternoon then?`
`14:10.58`	`axelS`	`any MySQL gurus around?`
`14:11.00`	`pdr`	`rhowe: i need to phone manuela`
`14:11.14`	`Blapto`	`axelS, I've installed it a number of times, I can't actually use it though.`
`14:11.29`	`wethrin`	`Get there early`
`14:12.14`	`axelS`	`Blapto: i'm looking for more infos on an error message (4 - Interrupted system call), googled but can't seem to find anything useful`
`14:12.20`	`pdr`	`rhowe: i called her on wednesday night, spoke for about 2 hours but i don't remember what was said, not even what we agreed to do on the weekend, so i want to find out and remember this time`
`14:12.21`	`rhowe`	`wethrin: I don't leave work until 5:30`
`14:12.29`	`wethrin`	`Sneak out early. It's Friday`
`14:12.32`	`rhowe`	`pdr: LOL`
`14:12.36`	`Blapto`	`axelS, how do you get the error?`
`14:13.00`	`axelS`	`sec`
`14:13.16`	`Blapto`	`pdr, I've done that, I knew I'd agreed to a date some night that week but I didn't know which one. I didn't want to admit it, so I had to phone her and see if I could get it out of her without giving away that I'd forgot`
`14:14.08`	`rhowe`	`hm, $itsupplier's DNS is b0rk`
`14:14.18`	`pdr`	`i remember trying to convince manuela to go on a little road trip coz she's never seen stonehenge nor bath, so i don't know whether to book a hotel for sat night`
`14:14.20`	`Blapto`	`rhowe, do you need a DNS server?`
`14:15.17`	`Blapto`	`I've got one on my dedicated server that you can use at a scrape?`
`14:17.30`	`axelS`	`Blapto: relaying for a friend in Germany... gimme a minute to find out more. thx`
`14:18.39`	`pdr`	`anyone know if a perl 5.8.5 module should work with perl 5.8.0 if i just copy the .pms over?`
`14:23.41`	`rhowe`	`Blapto: Nah, our supplier's DNS server is unrouteable from the office`
`14:23.46`	`rhowe`	`Blapto: Works from home though`
`14:28.27`	`Blapto`	`So is anybody up for a swift drink in C. London at 16:30?`
`14:29.01`	`wethrin`	`checks time`
`14:29.05`	`wethrin`	`I can be there in 3 hours`
`14:29.06`	`wethrin`	`And a bit`
`14:29.38`	`Blapto`	`I'll be gone by then`
`14:29.43`	`wethrin`	`Oh well`
`14:29.47`	`Blapto`	`In Wimbledon setting stuff up for a party tonight.`
`14:29.50`	`wethrin`	`Ooh`
`14:30.12`	`Blapto`	`Someone's birthday, throwing her a suprise party.`
`14:30.15`	`Blapto`	`Really, just an excuse to get drunk`
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`14:32.00`	`axelS`	`hi ralf`
`14:32.03`	`StarGate`	`hi`
`14:32.34`	`axelS`	`StarGate: how exactly do you get that error message?`
`14:35.13`	`axelS`	`StarGate: you may want to join #mysql on this network as well.`
`14:36.13`	`StarGate`	`ok, lemme explain: The current test-enviorement is a simple cluster solution. we have 2 node's wo have the mysql clients installed and one server where the mysql daemon is installed on(Ver. 4.1.2-src) the two node's handle sms messages wich come in and going out very very fast ~ 2-3 per second. On these node's a connection is made with the Perl-DBI API to the mysql-server were theses messages will be stored in..and while this happends ->`
`14:36.35`	`StarGate`	`around 20% of the DB puts jump out with a MySQL errorcode 4`
`14:38.38`	`Blapto`	`I've encountered this before on a busy DB outputting that`
`14:38.48`	`Blapto`	`I'll have a look to see if we documented the fix`
`14:38.59`	`StarGate`	`that would be awesome`
`14:39.01`	`StarGate`	`thx`
`14:39.49`	`Blapto`	`Have you looked at the server logs to see if it's noting anything`
`14:40.17`	`Blapto`	`An errorcode 4 is a *nix standard for interrupted system call, not MySQL specific BTW`
`14:40.33`	`StarGate`	`yup, but while these errors happens localy on the node's there is no mysqld.log entry`
`14:40.47`	`StarGate`	`i thought so Blapto`
`14:41.31`	`StarGate`	`i just wanna know what cause DBI to give out this error...`
`14:41.32`	`StarGate`	`to many threads ?`
`14:41.39`	`StarGate`	`to old libmysqlclient.so ?`
`14:43.00`	`Blapto`	`I think we migrated to another server because the old one was redundant and changed something along the way, I'm struggling to remember what it was`
`14:43.33`	`StarGate`	`then i fear my personal gues seems to be the right one...`
`14:43.37`	`StarGate`	`guess`
`14:43.57`	`StarGate`	`the client-libraries from SuSE 9.0 are to old for the 4.1.2 server...`
`14:43.57`	`axelS`	`StarGate: put the question up on #mysql as well mate`
`14:44.09`	`StarGate`	`Sir, YES SIR :)`
`14:44.19`	`Blapto`	`Do you need to be running 4.1.2?`
`14:44.21`	`axelS`	`:)`
`14:44.24`	`Blapto`	`Can you try an older stable?`
`14:44.40`	`StarGate`	`sure, as long as it supports innoDB`
`14:44.51`	`StarGate`	`cause myisam is to slow for sms traffic`
`14:45.39`	`pdr`	`rhowe: not so sure about a drink later, i'm gonna head home now for a snooze before heading out`
`14:45.53`	`pdr`	`but need to get some work done first`
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`14:47.12`	`JAV`	`good afternoon`
`14:47.21`	`axelS`	`hi`
`14:50.16`	`axelS`	`brb`
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`14:57.25`	`rhowe`	`pdr: nod`
`15:00.06`	`Blapto`	`I can't find the solution the MySQL problem anywhere`
`15:00.16`	`Blapto`	`because it's happening at a high load, I imagine it's a resource problem.`
`15:00.37`	`Blapto`	`Also, people need to take classes before being allowed on the internet. So far today I've had to translate IIRC, BFD and BBL`
`15:01.02`	`wethrin`	`Big Booby Lover?`
`15:04.31`	`Blapto`	`Yes, but also be back later`
`15:05.05`	`pdr`	`Blapto: the solution (as always with MySQL) is to use another db`
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`15:05.41`	`pdr`	`bfd == big friendly dickhead?`
`15:05.58`	`pdr`	`Binary File Descriptor?`
`15:06.57`	`Blapto`	`big furry deal`
`15:07.29`	`Blapto`	`And lib bfd as well, I suppose`
`15:16.30`	`Blapto`	`I'm off`
`15:16.31`	`Blapto`	`bye`
`15:16.36`	`wethrin`	`bye`
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`15:29.22`	`mozrat`	`whee - gnome 2.11`
`15:30.54`	`wethrin`	`Gnome sucks`
`15:31.26`	`mozrat`	`it does?`
`15:31.31`	`mozrat`	`I hadn't noticed`
`15:31.42`	`mozrat`	`oh wait`
`15:31.43`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`15:31.45`	`mozrat`	`no it doesn't`
`15:32.00`	`wethrin`	`It's big and bloated`
`15:32.07`	`mozrat`	`compared to.......`
`15:32.17`	`wethrin`	`twm :)`
`15:32.22`	`wethrin`	`Or even Windowmaker`
`15:32.25`	`mozrat`	`hmmmm, well that is true`
`15:32.33`	`wethrin`	`Mmm....XML`
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`15:39.08`	`skugg`	`mmm... osx :D`
`15:43.21`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`15:50.19`	`George`	`MOOBLE`
`15:50.34`	`mozrat`	`Beg your pardon??`
`15:50.40`	`George`	`moo.ble.`
`15:51.02`	`wethrin`	`b�rk`
`16:00.00`	`mozrat`	`George: which edition of Linux Magazine where you in? I bought one and you were in it`
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`17:30.03`	`rhowe`	`wow`
`17:30.42`	`wethrin`	`It's quite toasty`
`17:31.32`	`rhowe`	`Yeah, and supposed to be even hotter tomorrow`
`17:31.41`	`wethrin`	`Bleh`
`17:31.48`	`wethrin`	`I may need to find a new colo place`
`17:32.07`	`wethrin`	`Any thoughts as to where's good and provides serial console for not very much?`
`17:32.15`	`rhowe`	`Nope. I've never colocated`
`17:32.21`	`wethrin`	`Poo`
`17:42.43`	`wethrin`	`Hm. I now have some money, I can actually pay my colo bill for the last 18 months :)`
`18:23.43`	`murble`	`s/xen/&Linux/`
`18:24.14`	`murble`	`and possibly xennetbsd if you wanted....`
`18:24.19`	`murble`	`(freebsd isn't stable enough for use)`
`18:25.22`	`wethrin`	`Yes, but I want to colo real hardware`
`18:28.10`	`murble`	`so you have to deal with real failures of it:-)`
`18:28.16`	`murble`	`wethrin: do you have nice hardware to colo now?`
`18:28.19`	`wethrin`	`Yup`
`18:28.22`	`wethrin`	`Netra T1`
`18:28.46`	`wethrin`	`Although I'd like some more memory for it`
`18:29.05`	`wethrin`	`Don't suppose you may have some?`
`18:30.26`	`murble`	`have you talked to Slimey/ http://www.bogons.net/ about colocation?`
`18:30.29`	`murble`	`wethrin: i don't think so.`
`18:30.34`	`murble`	`is that the IDE version?`
`18:30.39`	`wethrin`	`SCSI`
`18:30.42`	`wethrin`	`X1 is the IDE`
`18:31.26`	`wethrin`	`It takes Mezzanine memory`
`18:31.26`	`murble`	`how did you aquire it?`
`18:31.34`	`wethrin`	`eBay`
`18:32.08`	`murble`	`expensive?`
`18:32.26`	`George`	`bleh`
`18:32.30`	`George`	`going to lords tomorrow`
`18:32.46`	`George`	`mozrat: it was Linux Format`
`18:33.00`	`wethrin`	`murble: �96.44 inc. delivery`
`18:33.38`	`murble`	`what is the cpu?`
`18:33.43`	`wethrin`	`With 18GB drive and 64MB memory, so not unreasonable`
`18:33.52`	`wethrin`	`360MHz UltraSparc-whatever`
`18:34.08`	`murble`	`and the LOM works and you have the passwds etc?`
`18:34.25`	`Cope`	`hello murble`
`18:34.54`	`wethrin`	`I've not had a chance to plug it in yet. Need a serial cable first`
`18:35.14`	`wethrin`	`I have the password(s), but I shall be reinstalling the OS`
`18:35.17`	`wethrin`	`Hi Cope!`
`18:35.27`	`wethrin`	`Will you come next Friday evening for a drink?`
`18:35.38`	`Cope`	`Yes.`
`18:36.20`	`wethrin`	`Excellent!`
`18:38.01`	`wethrin`	`Right. This Durham Nyetwork keeps breaking, so I think I shall go home`
`18:38.04`	`wethrin`	`Have a good weekend, all!`
`18:38.53`	`Cope`	`goodnight wethrin`
`18:40.34`	`wethrin`	`bye!`
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`18:50.28`	`ufo-`	`moz?`
`19:59.43`	`mozrat`	`yo`
`19:59.54`	`mozrat`	`howsit going ufo- ?`
`20:00.11`	`mozrat`	`ahhh, mozrat != mz2`
`20:00.39`	`mozrat`	`Evening chaps`
`20:01.55`	`ufo-`	`mozrat: I didn't know`
`20:02.09`	`mozrat`	`How are you Marcin?`
`20:02.10`	`ufo-`	`I was windsurfing today, will be tomorrow and at sunday also :D`
`20:02.13`	`mozrat`	`Nice!`
`20:02.25`	`ufo-`	`How are oyu?`
`20:02.25`	`mozrat`	`Is the weather nice in .pl now?`
`20:02.28`	`ufo-`	`you`
`20:02.32`	`mozrat`	`yeah, I'm good thanks`
`20:02.54`	`ufo-`	`nice for windsurfing`
`20:02.59`	`mozrat`	`I'm happy it's Friday`
`20:03.03`	`ufo-`	`but heavy rain right now`
`20:03.07`	`ufo-`	`in warsaw`
`20:03.15`	`mozrat`	`bah`
`20:03.44`	`ufo-`	`but i was windsurfing today in short wetsuit :D beautiful weather was today`
`20:03.52`	`mozrat`	`So I guess you know in Poland that winter has finished because the stuff falling from the sky stops being white and starts being wet`
`20:04.03`	`mozrat`	`and it keeps falling until it gets white again?`
`20:04.11`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`20:04.19`	`ufo-`	`no, just in the spring`
`20:04.35`	`ufo-`	`this summer will be probably very sunny`
`20:04.41`	`mozrat`	`Cool`
`20:04.58`	`ufo-`	`that says guy whu forecast the weather`
`20:05.09`	`ufo-`	`guys`
`20:05.17`	`mozrat`	`Ah, don't trust them. they lie`
`20:05.27`	`ufo-`	`yes, I know`
`20:05.44`	`ufo-`	`I believe just 2-3 day forecasts`
`20:05.54`	`ufo-`	`if we talking about hte wind`
`20:06.11`	`ufo-`	`sometimes they can forecast temperature, but with the wind its rather poorly`
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