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| 06:20.00 | Cope | good morning :-) |
| 06:20.07 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:20.19 | SlayerXP | I expect flawless performance from my adsl line today |
| 06:20.26 | Cope | excellent |
| 06:20.28 | SlayerXP | (given that a BT engineer is due to visit) |
| 06:21.19 | SlayerXP | http://62.49.12.86/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=World.Gate |
| 06:21.52 | SlayerXP | not sure if you can get that or not |
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| 06:23.07 | morsing | morning |
| 06:23.30 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 06:23.40 | morsing | How are you? |
| 06:24.19 | Cope | seems ok to me, SlayerXP |
| 06:24.26 | Cope | morsing: good thanks, and you? |
| 06:25.11 | Cope | SlayerXP: nice :-) |
| 06:25.12 | SlayerXP | Cope: oh, good. note yesterday's graph |
| 06:25.17 | Cope | yeah |
| 06:25.33 | morsing | Cope: I'm fine thanks. |
| 06:26.15 | Cope | good :-) |
| 06:26.42 | Cope | SlayerXP: are you going to be available for me to buy you beer at any stage soon? |
| 06:27.15 | SlayerXP | Cope: I would think so, but not likely to be this week |
| 06:32.20 | Leeds | SlayerXP: are you heading off very soon-ish? |
| 06:37.11 | morsing | Leeds: Are you coming on Saturday? |
| 06:37.27 | Leeds | morsing: rather unlikely - it would be a very long way to come for the meeting |
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| 06:38.20 | morsing | wb |
| 06:42.05 | morsing | Is it easy/safe to do a disupgrade to Sarge? |
| 06:48.10 | SlayerXP | yes. |
| 06:50.09 | morsing | apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:50.30 | rhowe | apt-get dist-upgrade, I would expect |
| 06:50.42 | rhowe | Though both are likely to work |
| 06:55.10 | morsing | Was it cute? |
| 06:55.34 | Leeds | yes |
| 06:55.51 | Leeds | but not as cute as the *really* tiny one I saw in my bath the other night |
| 06:56.00 | rhowe | It was here yesterday too |
| 06:56.06 | morsing | rhowe: Eat it! |
| 06:56.20 | rhowe | morsing: Not fair - it's sleeping |
| 06:56.24 | rhowe | morsing: Wouldn't be a fair fight |
| 07:13.24 | Leeds | curry time! |
| 07:15.20 | morsing | What's the best £250 LCD TV? |
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| 07:54.47 | mozrat | Morning |
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| 08:00.29 | morsing | morning mozrat |
| 08:00.34 | morsing | What's a good ISP? |
| 08:03.14 | mozrat | Hmm |
| 08:03.24 | mozrat | I use BT but only because work pays for it |
| 08:03.31 | mozrat | having said that I've never had problems with it |
| 08:05.40 | Cope | :) |
| 08:08.01 | niichre1 | I kinda like blueyonder.. they seem ok |
| 08:08.17 | morsing | bulldog? Demon? |
| 08:08.20 | morsing | PlusNet? |
| 08:14.22 | Leeds | morsing: I've been quite happy with bulldog for the past 20 months or so |
| 08:18.05 | Leeds | although I may have to investigate the 1gig home connections available in HK :-) |
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| 08:38.28 | Leeds | niichren: good afternoon |
| 08:40.47 | Cope | what a strange thing to do |
| 08:41.57 | Leeds | why? I did just that this morning |
| 08:42.13 | Cope | ok |
| 08:42.41 | Leeds | why is it strange? is it the downloading which is strange, or the sourceforge-ness of it all? |
| 08:43.56 | Cope | well if I wanted to run gaim (which I don't particularly) I would apt-get install it, rather than get the source from sourceforge. |
| 08:44.23 | Leeds | and how, pray tell, would you do that on, say, Windows? |
| 08:44.27 | Cope | oh yes, gaim does irc doesn't it |
| 08:45.12 | Leeds | yes, it does |
| 08:45.29 | Cope | Leeds: i wouldn't; I would ssh to a unix machine and run irssi |
| 08:46.01 | Cope | I have used gaim on windows before, but found it pretty unstable |
| 08:46.24 | Leeds | it's been very stable for me over the past few weeks |
| 08:46.24 | Cope | crashed fairly frequently, or left ghost images over the desktop |
| 08:46.43 | Leeds | anyway, I'm using it for IM, not IRC - using xchat for IRC :-) |
| 08:46.50 | Cope | excellent - I last used gaim on windows probably 6 months ago - things may have improved. |
| 08:47.02 | Cope | ah, see I use centericq for IM |
| 08:48.01 | Leeds | I am using, frankly, my standard set of (network) tools - firefox, thunderbird, gaim, xchat, oh, and I suppose putty |
| 08:48.13 | highbury | Trillian is a good windows muti-instant messaging tool which also supports IRC |
| 08:48.23 | highbury | http://trillian.cc |
| 08:48.24 | Leeds | and tn5250 |
| 08:48.37 | Leeds | highbury: what does it do that gaim doesn't? |
| 08:48.49 | highbury | its stable under windows! |
| 08:48.53 | Cope | Leeds: doesn't make its code publically available? |
| 08:49.14 | Leeds | Cope: right... I like open source cross-platform things :-) |
| 08:49.20 | Cope | absolutely :-) |
| 08:49.24 | highbury | I also recommend FileZilla as a good FTP client |
| 08:49.53 | Leeds | I've got pscp - works for me |
| 08:50.46 | Cope | on widnows I use winscp, putty and firefox |
| 08:50.54 | Cope | I can't think of much else I have a need for |
| 08:51.06 | Cope | although I miss having real xterms |
| 08:51.11 | Leeds | I am on a temporary machine, so I've limited the customisation a little |
| 08:51.36 | Leeds | Cope: I was using cygwin-x for a while on NT before I gave up and put slackware on the machine |
| 08:51.48 | Cope | Was it ok? |
| 08:52.00 | Leeds | that's my machine in HK, as opposed to my (dead) laptop in SL or my (borrowed) laptop in SL |
| 08:52.13 | Leeds | it wasn't bad... felt nice to be back in real x though |
| 08:53.39 | Leeds | I do think that if 'repairing' my laptop involves a new or newly-installed hard drive, I think I'll put Linux on it - the main reason I wasn't going to was so I could use the IBM tools to talk to the AS/400, but tn5250 seems to work okay |
| 08:55.15 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.09 | Leeds | there are two significant parts of cutting (which I've found so far) |
| 09:37.46 | Leeds | one uses big presses to push what are almost stamps - not sure if they have blades on the bottom - through a stack of material |
| 09:38.20 | Leeds | the other has big saws and men with chain-mail gloves - yes, really chain-mail - pushing stacks of material through the saws following a template |
| 09:38.31 | Cope | eek |
| 09:38.36 | morsing | Sounds great |
| 09:38.43 | Cope | sounds like a good location for a james bond scene |
| 09:38.46 | Leeds | it's real industry! |
| 09:39.17 | Leeds | I am collecting photos, but I'm a little uneasy about photographing people while they're working on stuff like that... |
| 09:39.49 | Leeds | indeed |
| 09:40.36 | Leeds | this place tends to lean towards bigger/stronger/cheaper items rather than delicate expensive lacy things |
| 09:40.57 | pdr | mmm.. expensive lacy things |
| 09:41.06 | Cope | 'For the mature fuller figure' |
| 09:41.32 | pdr | Leeds: is just bras, or other underwear too? |
| 09:42.10 | Leeds | pdr: mainly bras - the odd panty, when the customer wants a matched set, but in general, it's a bra place |
| 09:44.59 | pdr | Cope: strange classroom graffitti there |
| 09:46.47 | Cope | :-) |
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| 09:52.19 | Leeds | so, as I was saying before I fell off the net, has wikipedia vanished for everyone or just me? |
| 09:53.09 | eye69 | Seems to be down from here as well. |
| 09:54.26 | Cope | sanelson@tal:~$ wget en.wikipedia.com |
| 09:54.26 | Cope | --10:50:27-- http://en.wikipedia.com/ |
| 09:54.26 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.26 | Cope | Resolving en.wikipedia.com... failed: Host not found. |
| 09:55.06 | Leeds | wikipedia.com? I've always gone to .org |
| 09:55.54 | pdr | isn't there an a in there? wikipaedia? |
| 09:57.25 | rhowe | bleh, buggy POS free software |
| 09:57.30 | Leeds | pdr: nope |
| 09:58.16 | Cope | ~nslookup en.wikipedia.com |
| 09:58.28 | Cope | ~ping |
| 09:58.29 | ibot | pong |
| 09:58.41 | Cope | ~nslookup www.digex.com |
| 09:59.08 | Cope | ~nslookup en.wikipedia.org |
| 10:00.30 | Leeds | ~nslookup your bum |
| 10:01.58 | pdr | fortunately, google has wikipedia well cached |
| 10:02.21 | Leeds | ~whois wikipedia.org |
| 10:02.44 | Leeds | bah, no whois |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | Domain Name: WIKIPEDIA.COM |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.36 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.38 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.41 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.44 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.47 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.40 | wethrin | Foo |
| 10:27.21 | Cope | d |
| 10:27.58 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 10:29.02 | morsing | beer |
| 10:29.16 | Cope | rum |
| 10:29.16 | morsing | wethrin: Coming on Saturday? |
| 10:30.23 | Cope | wethrin will not be coming on Saturday |
| 10:30.30 | Cope | :`-( |
| 10:30.53 | wethrin | I shall not be. I shall be in Edinburgh |
| 10:31.20 | Cope | evil |
| 10:31.35 | wethrin | Edinburgh is great |
| 10:31.46 | Leeds | and you can't be bothered to pop down to London for the day? |
| 10:31.56 | wethrin | I have a concert that day |
| 10:33.08 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.20 | morsing | wethrin: That *day*. So you can come down during the evening then? |
| 10:36.29 | Leeds | Cope: 12 |
| 10:37.37 | wethrin | morsing: It takes 4.5 hours to come down |
| 10:37.47 | wethrin | So it'll be closing time by the time I get down to London |
| 10:38.12 | morsing | EasyJet doesn't go from Edinborough? |
| 10:38.19 | morsing | ...burgh |
| 10:40.23 | Cope | morsing: buried under robert graham's house |
| 10:44.24 | morsing | Cope: What? |
| 10:45.12 | Cope | morsing: how to recall the spelling of edinburgh |
| 10:45.28 | Cope | edward died in november, buried under robert graham's house |
| 10:47.57 | wethrin | No idea |
| 10:50.12 | wethrin | bored? |
| 10:50.16 | Cope | miserable |
| 10:50.36 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.36 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.36 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.36 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.05 | Cope | thanks |
| 10:51.16 | wethrin | What's up? |
| 10:51.35 | Cope | dunno - just bored, uninspired, generally feeling crap |
| 10:51.46 | Cope | lots to do, none of which I want to do |
| 10:51.55 | Cope | and some interesting things to do, for which I have no appetite |
| 10:52.34 | wethrin | Ahh. An off-day? |
| 10:52.51 | wethrin | Have a break! |
| 10:53.36 | wethrin | GNARRRR!!!!!! Bloody transistors not working!!!! |
| 10:55.00 | morsing | Cope: ahh... Thanks |
| 10:56.03 | wethrin | Yum! |
| 10:56.32 | wethrin | I think I might try and go back to the old-fashioned way of scratching the back, and slapping some silver paste on |
| 10:58.14 | Cope | I think you should find some silicon and dose it with phosphorus and boron |
| 11:02.21 | wethrin | OUr silicon is already dosed with Phosphorus |
| 11:02.29 | Cope | nice |
| 11:02.59 | Cope | however if its *only* dosed with phosphorus, I can't imagine that makes a very useful transistor |
| 11:04.56 | wethrin | Nope. We use it as the gate |
| 11:05.04 | wethrin | Irritatingly, I did make working transistors before |
| 11:05.18 | wethrin | I think I may just have to keep shovelling pentacene at it |
| 11:05.26 | wethrin | *sigh* |
| 11:14.48 | wethrin | They've not been working for a long time now :( |
| 11:15.42 | Cope | bah |
| 11:16.16 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 11:16.54 | wethrin | And I'll do it the old way - 'scratch the back, and put a dollop of silver paste on' |
| 12:33.06 | Leeds | from England, before anyone quips that it's a long way from Sri Lanka or Hong Kong |
| 12:39.11 | laomao_ | cope: laomao and William return |
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| 12:53.14 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 12:55.22 | highbury | there! much faster |
| 12:56.01 | Cope | ;) |
| 12:56.07 | Cope | I find be is usually pretty quick |
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| 12:57.10 | rhowe | Kent tends to suck in my experience |
| 12:57.29 | Cope | Especially medway |
| 12:58.11 | rhowe | Well, I'm going to do it |
| 12:59.09 | Cope | rhowe: what are you ordering it to do? |
| 13:08.22 | rhowe | Cope: Work, hopefully |
| 13:08.27 | rhowe | Cope: It's for my parent's PC |
| 13:08.41 | Cope | i see |
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| 13:11.14 | rhowe | hahaha |
| 13:11.26 | Leeds | time to get the fsck out of here... nasty amounts of drilling going on... |
| 13:11.36 | rhowe | This stuff is like a cross between epoxy and thermal grease |
| 13:11.49 | rhowe | "This works really good but my HSF seems to be stuck to the CPU" |
| 13:12.01 | Cope | OMG thats OTT |
| 13:12.11 | Cope | WTF CYBI!? |
| 13:32.24 | highbury | anybody installed Bittorrent-4.1.2 from source? |
| 13:34.24 | Cope | do you mean the server? |
| 13:35.27 | highbury | no just the client, I get an error message in the installation, and just wondered if anybody else had tried |
| 13:35.42 | Cope | isn't it just a python script? |
| 13:37.30 | highbury | well yeah but the instructions say you should run an install on it |
| 13:37.43 | highbury | I guess this means you haven't cope |
| 13:40.04 | Cope | no - I have done, on slackware, flawlessly; but you should be able to use btdownloadcurses without any sort of install process |
| 13:40.55 | Cope | also done it on solaris |
| 13:41.11 | Cope | what error are you gettinG? |
| 14:05.59 | highbury | steve@islington:~/Documents/BitTorrent-4.1.2> python setup.py install |
| 14:05.59 | highbury | making fr |
| 14:05.59 | highbury | msgmerge: error while opening "po/fr.po" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:05.59 | highbury | making he_IL |
| 14:05.59 | highbury | msgmerge: error while opening "po/he_IL.po" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.00 | highbury | making it |
| 14:06.02 | highbury | msgmerge: error while opening "po/it.po" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.06 | highbury | making no |
| 14:06.08 | highbury | msgmerge: error while opening "po/no.po" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.10 | highbury | making pt_BR |
| 14:06.12 | highbury | msgmerge: error while opening "po/pt_BR.po" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.14 | highbury | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 14:06.16 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.18 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.20 | highbury | ImportError: No module named distutils.core |
| 14:17.09 | Cope | Sorry - was on a call. |
| 14:17.29 | highbury | s'ok |
| 14:20.55 | highbury | the only way is to try it yourself |
| 14:21.09 | Cope | yeah |
| 14:21.18 | Cope | I will do so in a mo |
| 14:21.31 | Cope | 4.1.2 eh? |
| 14:22.00 | highbury | yep |
| 14:22.52 | Cope | where did you get it? |
| 14:23.17 | Cope | current stable version appears to be 4.0.2 |
| 14:23.42 | Cope | 4.1.1 is beta |
| 14:24.11 | highbury | go to download section, then follow the link for sources |
| 14:25.02 | Cope | 4.1.2 is almost certainly alpha, if 4.1.1 is beta |
| 14:25.23 | highbury | or the web page si out of date |
| 14:25.44 | Cope | unlikley - I read the version history, which seems bang up to date |
| 14:27.46 | highbury | ok lets both do 4.1.1 |
| 14:29.01 | Cope | ok - I just got 4.1.2 -- let me see if I can get the same behavior |
| 14:29.39 | highbury | steve@islington:~/Documents/BitTorrent-4.1.1> python setup.py install |
| 14:29.39 | highbury | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 14:29.39 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.39 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.39 | highbury | ImportError: No module named distutils.core |
| 14:33.08 | Cope | what version of python do you have? |
| 14:33.54 | highbury | 2.4 |
| 14:37.12 | highbury | out of interest check whether you machine has the file "distutils.core" ? |
| 14:38.24 | Cope | ok |
| 14:46.27 | Cope | highbury: I think you will need the python development stuff |
| 14:46.47 | Cope | highbury: do you have any of the distutils stuff? |
| 14:49.41 | itsbruce | Heads up, by the way... |
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| 14:50.16 | itsbruce | I will be sending out a job posting tomorrow to the list and elsewhere. 2 sysadmin jobs, 28-35K |
| 14:51.14 | Cope | what specific skills? or general? |
| 14:51.50 | itsbruce | Linux. The sysadminly parts of LAMP. |
| 14:52.18 | itsbruce | We do a lot more but we can train people up in that. |
| 14:54.19 | Cope | highbury: ok, I have the same errors as you in 4.1.2. |
| 14:55.22 | wethrin | Hello |
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| 15:00.55 | morsing | Hi wethrin |
| 15:01.05 | wethrin | Hi! |
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| 15:04.33 | highbury | itsbruce: premy or contract? |
| 15:04.42 | itsbruce | Permanent |
| 15:04.43 | highbury | s/prem/perm |
| 15:05.27 | highbury | itsbruce: do you still have Dean there? Has he sent out announcement messages to cola, etc |
| 15:06.02 | itsbruce | We've never had Dean here |
| 15:06.22 | itsbruce | But I know he's taking care of announcements |
| 15:11.51 | itsbruce | What's the e-mail address for that linux jobs list, anyone? |
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| 15:53.00 | rhowe | hm, aria++ |
| 15:53.10 | rhowe | under 2 hours from order confirmation to goods being despatched |
| 15:54.04 | wethrin | cool |
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| 16:00.29 | mozrat | woo - angelchild |
| 16:03.38 | AngelChild | yay - mozrat |
| 16:08.29 | wethrin | So, people.....Samba2, or Samba3? Advantages/disadvantages? |
| 16:09.05 | pdr | wethrin: try rumba, less complicated |
| 16:09.16 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:10.32 | pdr | i think the biggest difference is the new domain support iirc (don't really know much about windows networking tbh) |
| 16:10.47 | wethrin | Fair enough |
| 16:21.46 | Cope | highbury: I'm off now, but I've got some more ideas for you having looked at strace output and read the source code |
| 16:22.12 | Cope | gone & |
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| 18:11.31 | rhowe | ~google cheese nation |
| 19:16.59 | highbury | cope you were right. I just needed the Python development libraries |
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