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00:04.59*** join/#gllug rhowe (rhowe@xiao.siksai.co.uk)
03:30.29*** join/#gllug Leeds (~Richard@203.143.24.25)
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07:10.37mozrat-Good morning!
07:24.34*** join/#gllug SlayerXP (~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk)
07:26.16mozratSlayerXP: I was rather happy someone outbid me on your car :)
07:26.26mozratBut I take it you didn't sell it to them
07:26.33SlayerXPnot yet
07:26.38SlayerXPanother day or so to go
07:26.40mozratoh
07:26.53mozratDo you think the price will go high enough?
07:27.01SlayerXPuncertain
07:44.30Leedsmorning folks
08:11.50mozratGood morning Leeds
08:17.15mozratso microsoft start paying £2.8m per day to the EU from tomorrow?
08:17.34mozratseems rather a lot
08:19.23*** join/#gllug SlayerXP (~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk)
08:20.13eye69From tomorrow our pubs will start to smell like fart.
08:20.38mozrateye69: ......
08:20.55eye69mozrat: Smoking ban. :)
08:21.04mozratwhere???
08:21.08eye69Sweden.
08:21.16mozratahh
08:21.20mozratgood!
08:21.59eye69No smoking allowed in restaurants and pubs, but sealed smoking rooms with separate ventilation are allowed.
08:22.12eye69There'll be no drinking in those rooms however.
08:26.24mozratdo you smoke eye69
08:26.51eye69I did two packs when I was around 15. It didn't "take".
08:29.14mozratI'd like to see a similar ban in the UK, at least for areas where children are around
08:29.41mozratthere's a nice cafe where I live that I normally avoid taking my kids 'cos of the smoke levels
08:35.16Copegood morning chums
08:35.52mozratgood morning Mr Cope
08:36.16eye69Hello Cope
08:40.35Cope:)
08:41.04Copeibot seen laomao
08:41.11ibotlaomao <~laomao@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 28d 19h 12m 33s ago, saying: 'evil cope'.
08:41.11Copeibot seen laomao_
08:41.12ibotlaomao_ <~laomao@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 18h 58m 55s ago, saying: 'don't know. We have Hai Yan. Means swallow of the sea'.
08:41.13Copeibot wake up you lazy pos.
08:41.14ibotup you lazy pos.: GOOD MORNING!!!
08:41.23Copeevil cope!!
08:43.03*** join/#gllug itsbruce (~brichards@router-office.fotango.com)
08:45.07Copehello itsbruce
08:45.49itsbruceMorning
08:46.03*** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@dsl-80-46-110-1.access.as9105.com)
08:46.30Copehello morsing
08:53.11morsingHello
08:53.56morsingWhat was the command output you wanted?
08:54.00morsingnetstat -is?
08:54.46Copenetstat -s
08:56.51eye69Morning morsing
08:57.46morsingmorning
08:58.51*** join/#gllug pdr (~pdr@213.86.35.150)
08:59.06morsingpdr!
08:59.10pdrmorsing!
08:59.15pdrhow goes it?
09:03.41rhowehmm
09:03.48rhowemm, Sandra
09:03.55rhowehttp://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/sandra1.jpg
09:03.57pdrmmm... Sandra
09:04.09rhowebrb, killing X
09:04.18pdrI shall introduce you to Yan
09:05.27itsbruceGeeks with fixations on asian chicks.  Who'd have thought? ;)
09:05.48SlayerXPnot specially keen on asian girls, really
09:09.22*** join/#gllug ibot (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc)
09:09.22*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 11th June 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's]
09:09.34rhoweSit them in front of Big Brother ffor 20 minutes
09:09.35SlayerXPyou may all bid on my surplus to requirement digi freeview box, if you like
09:09.39rhoweThat should regress them
09:09.42morsingCope: You've got mail!
09:09.51SlayerXPright now £0.01 will secure your purchase
09:10.41rhoweooh, parallel bzip2 package in Debian
09:13.39Coperhowe: she has 2 heads?
09:14.05rhoweCope: Ah, that's where the clever stuff comes in
09:14.09rhoweCope: She has.... a mirror!
09:15.21Copehello leeds
09:15.31Leedsafternoon Cope
09:15.35rhoweAfternoon Richard
09:15.58rhoweIt was working just fine last week
09:16.09rhoweNow it doesn't even display the print dialog :/
09:16.20Copebring out the gimp!
09:16.22Leedshello rhowe
09:17.40pdrThis water tastes funny
09:17.44pdrhey leeds
09:20.28itsbrucerhowe: Is it just gimp that isn't printing?
09:21.17itsbruceAnd does gimp rely on xprint?  Because that can be the root of this problem.
09:30.58rhoweitsbruce: Nah, it was everything
09:31.05rhoweitsbruce: fam had pinched cups' port
09:33.33Copenaughty fam
09:34.14morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/photos/SantaPod/MainEvent2005/movie/
09:35.17Leedsit's amazing how often Dilbert is randomly very appropriate :-)
09:35.21Leedshttp://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2073246050531.gif
09:36.14pdrmorsing: was that this weekend?
09:36.22morsingYes
09:36.26eye69http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/30/pointy_knives_can_kill/
09:36.32morsingAmazig fun!
09:36.36morsingAmazing
09:36.59pdrdid the rain impede anything?
09:37.09morsingI think we'll go to the Euro Finals in September as well.
09:37.19morsingpdr: It wasn't raining
09:37.29pdrcool
09:37.34pdrany jet cars?
09:37.37Copepdr: it was warm
09:37.40morsingOne
09:38.06morsingSurprisingly quiet except for when it's warming up
09:40.20*** join/#gllug wethrin (dankolb@ipv6.eco.li)
09:40.43Copeaha! a wethrin
09:40.53wethrinCope!
09:40.56wethrinWhen did I fall off?
09:41.14Copedunno
09:41.24wethrinOh. I hate PCs
09:41.43Copeok
09:41.54wethrinServer decided to crash AGAIN
09:41.56wethrinGrrrr
09:42.08wethrinMaybe it'll work
09:42.09Copemmmm netra
09:42.23Copewhat peecee are you using?
09:42.24mozratwethrin: 0106
09:42.40Copemorsing: 3828
09:42.40wethrinCope: 1GHz P3 Coppermine thingy
09:42.48wethrinmozrat: Tonight at 0106?
09:42.54mozratwethrin: think so
09:42.57wethrinHmm
09:42.57Copewethrin: why does it crash? Are you running something dodgy?
09:43.04wethrinNo. It just crashed for no reason at all
09:43.12Copeseems highly unlikely
09:43.24Copeis it running l33tbsd?
09:43.27wethrinYes :)
09:43.43Copeyou should have some logs / sore data?
09:43.45wethrinIt's more than likely to be some crappy hardware
09:43.47Copes/sore/core/
09:44.18morsingCope: What?
09:44.35Copemorsing: what what?
09:45.23wethrinCope: No logs that I can find - it doesn't write to /var/log/messages
09:45.46morsing10:34 < Cope> morsing: 3828
09:46.39Copemorsing: oh - sorry - that was the usual morsing//mozrat substitution feature.
09:46.48mozratCope, grrrrr
09:47.39wethrinHeh
09:48.40Cope:o)
09:48.49Copewethrin: bummer
09:48.54Copewhen does the t1 arrive?
09:49.06wethrinCope: No idea
09:49.18wethrinAfter the cheque is cashed and he sends it off
09:49.30Cope<SlayerXP> Do you have a need for a large doorstop? </SlayerXP>
09:49.31wethrinOf course, I haven't got any emails through due to my shitty server
09:49.33wethrin:)
09:49.39wethrinYes. I like doorstops
09:52.01morsingibot slap wethrin
09:52.02ibotACTION slaps wethrin, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
09:52.06wethrin?
09:53.13morsing* wethrin burps
09:53.17wethrinAhh
09:53.48Leedsibot spank me
09:53.49ibotACTION bends leeds over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on leeds's pasty white buttocks.
09:54.25Leedsokay, didn't expect that :-)
09:55.55wethrinOw
09:56.29CopeOk - so recommendations for a very quick to set-up wiki, for internal use.
09:57.31SlayerXPtwiki
09:57.41SlayerXPor apt-get install phpwiki
09:59.51LeedsI'd say moin - once you've done it a couple of times it's pretty easy
10:03.07*** join/#gllug AngelChild (~angelchil@exten-halls-245.soton.ac.uk)
10:03.18CopeSlayerXP: not plaid with phpwiki - does it work 'out of the apt box' ?
10:03.24Copeplayed
10:03.27Cope:-/
10:03.41SlayerXPCope: it did for me.  you just have to tell it what backend to use
10:04.01CopeSlayerXP: so install postgres first?
10:04.10SlayerXPor use flat file
10:04.15SlayerXPi use postgres
10:04.18Copeoh yeah, that would work
10:06.08itsbruceI have heard good things said of mediawiki, which is also allegedly easy to install
10:06.44itsbruceAvoid kwiki.  It is easy to install but not good and the code is not fun
10:08.12itsbrucephpwiki, iirc, has the option to store the wiki data in a database.  That feature was in the unstable version last time I looked and in flux, since they had decided to write their own database abstraction layer on the grounds of PearDB being shite
10:10.16itsbruceWould be interested to hear if that's stable now
10:10.53wethrinGeorge is overly violent
10:10.59Copei've used twiki before; found that fine; and i wrote a basic wiki engine in python; but that's about it.
10:11.25Georgewethrin: it's hardly my fault
10:11.29wethrinUhhuh
10:18.23Copepaddy:~# apt-cache search phpwiki
10:18.23Copepaddy:~#
10:18.52Copepaddy:~# apt-cache search wiki | grep -i php
10:18.52Copemoniwiki - MoniWiki is yet another WikiEngine written in PHP
10:18.52Copephpgroupware-wiki - phpGroupWare wiki module
10:19.52Leedsping - someone do me a favour?
10:20.05Leedsthanks :-)
10:20.16Copewhat can I do for you?
10:20.26Leedsjust confirm that 192.100.100.80 belongs to the US Army and shouldn't be used for a private network?
10:20.46wethrin192.168.*.* is reserved for private network use
10:20.47Copewhois concurs
10:21.11Leedsso I was correct to be a bit shocked when I saw 192.100.100.x being used for internal addresses :-)
10:21.14Leedsthanks folks...
10:21.38wethrinLeeds: Indeed. Increase the second number by 68, and you'll be fine
10:21.50Leedswethrin: as I thought
10:21.57SlayerXPi've seen 192.169.x.x addresses used for internal IP space
10:22.30CopeSlayerXP: well rfc 1918 wouldn't like that
10:22.45SlayerXPCope: neither would PSG
10:22.55CopeParis Saint Germain?
10:24.39Georgeheya Leeds
10:33.32Leedshey George
10:34.18Leedsheh... one of the admins here was showing me the domino management/monitoring tool, and I thought the addresses of the clients looked a little off...
10:35.40Leedsand... argh!  they have relatively small quotas on the server and require people to download mail to their desktops because a) they mail around large attachments all the time (my mailbox here is over 175meg after a week!) and b) storage on the server costs a fortune because it's an iseries (as/400) machine
10:37.42Copewell, all good things for you to shake up as their technical guru
10:37.51Leedsindeed
10:38.58Leedsunfortunately, my first instinct is to say "please, just give me a unix box with reasonable internet connectivity and local resources - then dump all the nasty proprietary stuff and just use open standards - please"
10:39.30LeedsCope: more money and/or less stupid hours?
10:39.57Copethat's not unfortunate if you can show that a) it will cost less b) there will be no loss of functionality and c) the migration will be painless
10:40.41CopeLeeds: probably; however its for a small company that have only been around for a year or so - I have to factor job security into the equation
10:40.49Leedsa) and b) are true... c) is not, largely because I can't really do the migration away part
10:41.04Cope(c) is always the killer
10:41.09Leedsindeed
10:41.17rhowepdr: I finished that book btw, if you fancy borrowing it
10:41.49Leedsalthough, considering there are up to 1750 people here, very very few of them use computers and even less use significant network services - most of them are more sewing machine users
10:41.54CopeYou're going to save us money - great; with no loss of functionality - even better? But we're going to have to do without our current system for 1 week and invest 2 weeks time in retraining people etc etc
10:42.29CopeLeeds: is the outfit ok? i mean is it a bit sweatshop-like (aside from the obvious warmth)?
10:43.40Leedsyeah, it's okay... it's not an amazing place to work, but they say they pay well (I have no data) and the conditions are not too bad - no aircon on the floor, but the fans make it bearable enough for me and I'm not exactly used to the heat :-)
10:44.07Copewhen to you go back to hk?
10:44.15Leedsit's got a bit messy
10:44.21Copeoh?
10:45.15Leedswell... original plan was for me to go back late this month, at the end of the 'trial period'
10:45.57Leedsthis month being June - getting ahead of myself :-)
10:46.18Cope:)
10:46.29Leedsgot a wedding mid-July, which I need to be back for
10:47.06Leedsexcept that, fool that I am, I mis-read things
10:47.42Leedsthe wedding is a two-parter - a Jewish part (for family and family friends) and a civil part (for friends of the couple, many of whom would be uncomfortable at the Jewish event)
10:48.18Leedsthe Jewish part is on the 17th, the civil part on the 19th
10:48.22SlayerXPoi gevoy!
10:48.27SlayerXP(or whatever it is)
10:48.38Leedsthe minor misreading on my part is that it's the 17th of *July* and the 19th of *June*
10:48.47Copeah
10:49.11Copewell you can skip the civil bit?
10:49.24SlayerXPi did Yiddish For Beginners In Two Minutes, once, about a year ago.
10:49.30SlayerXPas you can see, it has stuck with me quite well
10:49.47Leedsnow, assuming I'm going to stick around out here for a while - and I think I am - I need to be back in the UK for at least a couple of weeks to sort things out, stop various regular payments which aren't relevent to someone living in Hong Kong and Sri lanka, and so on
10:50.03LeedsSlayerXP: ITYM Oi gevalt!
10:50.19SlayerXPthat's the one
10:50.23SlayerXPi was close
10:50.27LeedsCope: honestly, if I'm only going to one, I think the civil one is the better one to be at
10:51.54Copeok
10:53.51Leedsbut... I currently have a HK->UK ticket for 22/06 and a SL->HK ticket for 21/06 - by coincidence, mainly because I had to have a return ticket to HK within 30 days, that being how long a get-it-at-the-airport tourist visa to Sri Lanka is
10:55.18Copeaha
10:56.21Leedsthe tickets are meant to be changed - but the question is what to change them to
10:56.30Copegold!
10:56.43LeedsI'm good... not that good...
10:57.15Copeso the civil bit is in 3 weeks (ish)
10:57.33Copeso you could come back for that, sort your stuff out, and go back at the start of july
10:57.33SlayerXPi would imagine that air tickets to HK cost more than their weight in gold
10:58.02LeedsCope: that's sort of what I was thinking... they don't seem amazingly keen on the idea
10:58.08CopeSlayerXP: incidentally - any ideas on the absence of phpwiki?
10:58.16Leedsplus, still not entirely sure about sticking around - need to discuss it with them
10:58.25morsingHow do I scroll up in this shitty client?
10:58.39SlayerXPCope: odd.  try "twiki" instead.
10:58.45wethrinmorsing: ESC-P to go up, and ESC-N to go down
10:58.46SlayerXPmorsing: shift+pg up
10:59.03Copemorsing: I'm not aware of how to scroll up in your shitty client, but in irssi, you can page up and page down
10:59.25morsingnSlayerXP: No - not working
10:59.25wethrinCope: He's running a strange system with weird keybindings
10:59.30morsingCope: No -not working
10:59.43Copemorsing: are you using windows?
10:59.51wethrinmorsing: What about using ESC and P,N?
11:00.25morsingCope: Cygwin connecting to NetBSD, ssh through linux box to FreeBSD box to Linux box where the irssi client is
11:00.40morsingwethrin: That works
11:00.41Copeso yes
11:00.41morsingThanks
11:00.49wethrinnp
11:01.06morsingMmm... Windows
11:01.15Copemmm nearly lunchtime
11:01.17morsingCope: The client is not on windows
11:01.19Cope== tuna time
11:01.26morsingAnyone in Watford?
11:01.40Copemorsing: That doesn't surprise me; as I am not aware of a win32 port of irssi
11:02.22Copemorsing: 79,467 people according to wikipedia
11:02.28Leedsmorsing: one or two of my old collegues, probably...
11:02.48Copewikipedia is so coool
11:02.55morsingEither of them want to go to the Italian for lunch?
11:03.05morsingCope: irssi on Cygwin windows?
11:03.19Copemorsing: yeah I suppose
11:03.54Copemorsing: I use putty to connect to a linux box
11:04.04Copenormal keybindings work for me
11:04.13morsingPutty is seriously buggy. We have all sorts of problems with it
11:04.17Copereally?
11:04.26morsingWhy do you like it?
11:04.34CopeI use it all the time, and haven't experienced any problems at all.
11:04.42CopeI wouldn't say I like it.
11:04.42morsingCope: Yes - the dreaded "Server sent malformed packet" - error
11:04.47Copebut it works.
11:05.14itsbruceDon't know of any superior alternative to putty on Windows.
11:05.16morsingCope: Create a new user on AIX and then connect to it with Putty and you'll see what I mean!
11:05.33Copeheh :-)
11:05.36Leedsmorsing: to be fair, it is designed to connect to real unix boxen :-)
11:05.37Coperight - off to lunch
11:05.49itsbrucemorsing: The bit where it forces you to change the password and then logs you out?
11:06.05Leedsmorsing: doesn
11:06.08Leedsargh
11:06.19morsingitsbruce: No - it pops up a window saying "Server sent malformed packet" and that's it
11:06.22Leedsmorsing: doesn't seem like any of my former collegues are eager to meet you
11:06.39morsingLeeds: Did you tell them I'm a nice guy?
11:06.43itsbrucemorsing: I meant what's supposed to happen.  Never used putty to connect to an aix box
11:06.46Leedsnope
11:07.21itsbruceThese days, my monthly Windows time is countable in minutes on the fingers of one hand.
11:07.27morsingAhh... it should prompt you for a password and then prompt you for a new one. Work on all other ssh clients!
11:10.17Leedsmorsing: I told them - still no-one interested
11:10.51itsbruceThis would be a problem if you work with AIX a lot.
11:11.07itsbruceWhich is no longer my problem ;)
11:11.29rhowePuTTY has pretty good UTF8 support, to be fair
11:11.55Copelunch
11:12.00Copelaters...
11:12.43Leedsenjoy
11:33.24highburyI never had problems using putty with AIX
11:33.33highburyhi chaps
11:54.10Leedsevening
11:56.32morsingCope: Get my mail?
12:16.07morsingHello?
12:23.19rhoweheh, http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/
12:30.53Leedsoh, that
12:31.18morsingWhat's that?
12:31.56rhoweTransmitting AM radio via a CRT
12:33.53Copemorsing: yes, thanks :-)
12:46.32morsingIs the meet this Saturday? Or nex?
12:54.21Copeagain
12:56.03*** join/#gllug laomao_ (~laomao@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)
12:56.39Copeyay!
12:57.17Leedsevening laomao_
13:00.04Leedsargh, inline BOLD RED reply to mail
13:00.23rhoweLeeds: Welcome to the real world :)
13:01.18Leedsrhowe: the difference is that I am given the impression that, within reason (largely being short-term cost) if I want to try to change something around here, I'm welcome to try
13:01.46rhoweLeeds: Sure. It can be done
13:02.24Leedsthis ain't the real world - this is a bra factory in Sri Lanka run by a combination of HK Chinese, HK Anglos and Filipenas
13:06.15mozratMmmmmm, bras
13:06.15Leedsmorsing: bah... just boring bits of fabric
13:07.28mozratLeeds so you aren't at the global bra stress testing center working on testing those things to destruction?
13:07.44mozratwith bored underwear models loafing around
13:07.47Leedsnot quite
13:08.00mozratdammit
13:08.03Leedsalthough I'm hearing interesting tales of the French underwear shows...
13:09.27Cope:)
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13:09.43JAVhello
13:10.42Leedsevening Jango
13:10.44Leedsargh
13:10.46Leedsevening JAV
13:12.06JAV:D
13:13.41laomao_Hello, Leeds.
13:14.38laomao_What sort of bra are you making? What sort of brand? Maybe I can buy some in shop to support your factory
13:16.15SlayerXPhttp://forgetmenotpanties.contagiousmedia.org/
13:16.58rhoweSlayerXP: Old :)
13:16.59itsbruceI refuse to look at that url
13:17.08rhoweitsbruce: SFW
13:17.50laomao_Gosh, I will never forget the forget-me-not panties!
13:17.51JAVSlayerXP: it looks like a good way of become single
13:20.57itsbrucehttp://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/underpanttoast/
13:21.27Leedslaomao_: the factory doesn't sell under its own brand - we make for people like Tommy Hilfiger, Bestform, stuff like that... I don't know the bra market too well (yet!)
13:22.37Leedsargh argh!  and the reply to the message with BOLD RED had the responses in BOLD GREEN!
13:23.05LeedsCope: it was a conscious decision to write that - doesn't mean the other conscious decision has been taken
13:23.20CopeLeeds: do you have to read your email in colours - can't you set your client to read in plain text?
13:23.43laomao_oooh. I love the Tommy Hilfger. All my Jeans are from them. OK, I will buy more stuff from them to support your factory then
13:24.01mozratCOPE HIDE THE CREDIT CARDS
13:24.17LeedsCope: "Be liberal in what you accept; be strict in what you send."
13:24.25Leedslaomao_: woo - get me a bonus :-)
13:24.58CopeLeeds: interesting philosophy
13:25.13LeedsCope: you've not heard it before?
13:25.23Copenope
13:25.26SlayerXPLeeds: bollocks to that, "speak SMTP properly, or be booted off my mail server"
13:26.03wethrinSlayerXP: None of this ESMTP rubbish, eh? :)
13:26.53Leedsit's (paraphrased) from RFC 791: "Internet Protocol" - and therefore has a rather grand heritage
13:27.15Copeaha
13:27.43SlayerXP2005-05-31 11:54:29 no host name found for IP address 81.193.63.160
13:27.43SlayerXP2005-05-31 11:54:29 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=[81.193.63.160] input=""
13:27.48Leeds"In general, an implementation must be conservative
13:27.49Leeds<PROTECTED>
13:29.07Copeby the time i've fiddled with it I could have done it all from scratch anyway
13:32.57SlayerXPCope: demand an immediate refund of every penny you've paid
13:33.13rhowePlus interest!
13:33.19Copefunny
13:33.57Copejust a comment about how sometimes apt-get install $something is not necessarily your friend.
13:34.17Copeas usually there is some postconfig involved, which is usually well documented.
13:34.17rhoweapt-get source :)
13:34.59Copewhen it isn't well documented, you end up having to pick around working out what debian did, and working out how to apply the generic instructions to the debian-specific instance.
13:39.16Copeaha - all is well.
13:48.19mozratHmmmmmm.....
13:48.23mozratermmmmm.....
13:48.32mozratI'm subscribed to a charity newsletter
13:48.40mozratwhich has just been sent out
13:48.51mozratwith a few hundred recipients in the To: field
13:49.00Copea
13:49.01Copen
13:49.01Coped
13:49.04Cope.
13:49.07Cope.
13:49.17mozratCope, well.. is a polite nudge in order?
13:49.29wethrinmozrat: Yes. Tell them to use the Bcc: field
13:49.30mozrator a rant about sending my address out to loads of people
13:49.40SlayerXPno, just sign up all 100 recipients up for bestiality porn
13:49.45CopeI would advise them of using bcc
13:50.21Georgemozrat: that's against the data protection act isn't it?
13:50.28mozratGeorge: I believe so
13:50.33Georgemozrat: tell them
13:50.38Georgemozrat: best way to stop them being annoying
13:51.13mozratheheh - I always hit "Reply All" to emails (as they are normally sent to my team)... old habits kicked in
13:51.21mozratand hits reply
13:51.24mozrat*phew*
13:51.36Leedsdinnertime!
13:52.17Leedshave a good (rest of) Tuesday, folks
13:53.20SlayerXPmozrat: try this:
13:53.27Georgemozrat: "I feel the need to inform you that in sending out your last email you broke the Data Protection Act..." :)
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13:54.17SlayerXP< Clever people use the BCC field >
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13:54.55mozratSlayerXP: :)
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13:55.28morsing( irssi sucks )
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13:56.22wethrinirssi rocks
13:57.12Georgeirssi is immense
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13:57.27Copemorsing: don't do taht again
13:57.44Copeit was relevant when SlayerXP did it....
13:57.45wethrinBut turkeys rock!
13:58.10GeorgeCope: when did SlayerXP do it?
13:58.14mozratturkeys do taste good it has to be said.. which is more than can be said for irssi
13:58.33mozratirssi with sage and onion stuffing, ewh
13:58.35Georgeoh wait, I have SlayerXP on ignore.
13:58.41Copelol
13:59.25wethrinHeh
14:00.09SlayerXPyes, I'm free to abuse George in public
14:00.18SlayerXPsaying that, I did that even before he had me on ignore
14:00.39pdri prefer penguins
14:00.46pdrand the number 7
14:00.47mozratpdr, chocolatey :)
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14:12.48CopeAbout a man who sells 'badgers' on ebay
14:13.09CopeAparently some people buy 5 or 6 at a time.
14:13.31CopeSo when we asked where he gets them, he said 'I've got a machine!'
14:13.54Copefinally it was realised that he sells 'badges' on ebay....
14:13.56Georgehaha
14:14.27Copei think the man is called trostsky!
14:30.28Cope*tumbleweed*
14:30.34wethrinIndeed
14:45.30Cope*more tubleweed*
14:47.33wethrinReports suck
14:47.50mozratVacumn Cleaners suck
14:48.37mozratBlack Holes suck
14:50.26SlayerXPthey don't
14:51.52mozratthey don't?
14:53.04SlayerXPno
14:53.28SlayerXPwould you described yourself and being sucked onto the ground right now?
14:53.59SlayerXPwould you describe yourself as being sucked onto the ground right now?
14:54.10Copeah!
14:54.15mozratI wouldn't no
14:54.18mozratbut then again
14:54.26mozratI'm not on a black hole, right?>
14:54.33Copeor a man, who sells potions in a travelling show?
14:54.51SlayerXPyou are on a large mass and therefore are immersed in the gravity field thereof
14:54.52SlayerXPdoor&
14:55.00wethrinThe earth sucks
14:56.12itsbruceThe wind blows
15:09.24CopeSlayerXP: In a sense earth does "suck" if you think of what happens in a straw, pressure on h2o molecules exert excess force on the liquid compared to the semi vacuum inside resulting in the liquid being pushed up. In quantum theories of fields including gravitional, guage particles mediate force - repulsive forces can be thought of as two particles being pushed apart by them like two skaters throwing a ball between them. Attractive force
15:09.47CopeI rest my case.
15:25.09mozratsuitcase??
15:27.11rhowegrr
15:27.30itsbruceOff for an interview
15:27.43mozratrhowe - what about it?
15:28.16Copegot a problem with it?
15:28.22Copewanna make something of it?
15:28.24Copeeh? eh?!
15:28.55CopeLeave it out mate, leave it out - he's not worth it.
15:29.00mozratlemme at him, lemme athim
15:29.40Copemorsing: 'wets'
15:29.46mozrattea, coffee
15:29.57mozrat$FAVOURITE_HOT_BEVERAGE
15:30.01mozratpossibly a herbal tea
15:30.06mozratbut unlikely :)
15:32.20mozratoooohhh, beagle
15:32.22mozrat!
15:35.06Cope20 mins to hometime
15:35.08Copeish
17:03.25GeorgeCope: woo
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18:00.43Cope:)
18:00.51Copewethrin: was my sucking ok?
18:00.57wethrinYes
18:01.36CopeI remember reading an article entitled 'gravity doesn't work' or some such thing
18:01.48Copeso I remember the idea that the world sucks.
18:01.52Cope:-)
18:02.03wethrinYup
18:02.29Copeit was another one of those paradigm shifts you get when you get a bit older in scientific education.
18:02.42wethrinYeh
18:02.45Copeand someone says: "you know we always told you this.... well... now forget it."
18:02.50wethrin:)
18:02.58wethrinThe Law of Diminishing Lies
18:03.03Copenice
18:03.11wethrinYarr
18:03.29CopeGeorge: how does your latin program work?
18:03.40Copedoes it do vocab?
18:04.08GeorgeCope: yes
18:04.28Copehow modular is it - I mean could it easily be made to do some other language?
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18:04.38Georgeyes
18:04.45Copenice
18:04.47GeorgeCope: the vocabulary files are in an XML format
18:04.58GeorgeCope: but all the dialogues etc are hard coded to say "Latin" :)
18:05.01Copewhat if you wanted to include accents and stuff
18:05.13GeorgeCope: because it's not just a vocab tester, but also does latin-specific verb constructions and grammar
18:05.21Coperight
18:05.24Copehello murb
18:05.26GeorgeCope: accents? it should be able to handle UTF-8
18:05.57GeorgeCope: there's also KVocTrain for generic vocabulary
18:06.14GeorgeCope: which uses the same file format as KLatin
18:06.30CopeI wonder how much kde-specific stuff I'd need... what does it depend on? given that I don't run any kde stuff.
18:06.58GeorgeCope: kdelibs
18:07.02GeorgeCope: qt
18:07.11GeorgeCope: kdeedu
18:07.29GeorgeCope: apart from that, I don't think I have any other dependancies
18:08.12GeorgeCope: kdeedu?
18:08.24GeorgeCope: because the other apps are childish and play oggs etc
18:08.37Copegotcha
18:09.05Copewho's the debian maintainer of klatin?
18:09.16Copeare you still the upstream developer?
18:09.21GeorgeCope: yeah
18:09.26GeorgeCope: I have no idea...
18:10.01Copeis it written in c++ ?
18:10.11George"Ben Burton is responsible for this Debian package. See the developer information for klatin."
18:10.17GeorgeCope: yes, C++/Qt/kdelibs
18:10.40wethrinC++ is hateful
18:11.06GeorgeC++ is cute :D
18:12.36wethrinCope: And how much widely used OSS has George? :)
18:12.45CopeDefine widely used!
18:12.46wethrinAnyway. It's beside the point!
18:12.55CopeIf it made it into debian, its widely used enough
18:13.04wethrinNot really. Everything plus its dog makes it into Debian
18:13.12Copenot really
18:13.40Copemmm tabletennis
18:13.56Georgehah
18:14.21wethrinHeh
18:15.06GeorgeCope: my next project is to be an oss implementation of the board game "Risk"
18:15.12GeorgeCope: going to start when I've finished exams
18:15.27Copecool
18:15.41Copesounds like a lot of fun!
18:16.00GeorgeCope: shouldn't be too difficult
18:17.08CopeI don't think I've ever played risk
18:17.14CopeI've seen some friends play though
18:17.19Georgegood game
18:17.25Copeit looked interesting
18:17.31Copefairly strategic
18:17.33Copebut quite long
18:17.48Georgeheh
18:22.04GeorgeCope: why are you asking about klatin anyway?
18:22.09GeorgeCope: it's a pile of smouldering shit :)
18:23.03wethrinGeorge: We know - you showed us the code
18:23.18Georgewethrin: hah, at least I have ... hair
18:23.21Georgethat was lame.
18:23.24wethrinSo do I
18:23.28Georgewethrin: very little
18:23.36wethrinI have more now
18:24.02Georgeas much as my mop? :P
18:24.12wethrinNo idea :)
18:24.28Georgehah
18:24.31wethrin:)
18:24.32CopeGeorge: pondering vocabulary learning tools
18:24.38wethrinI'd rather be bald than still doing GCSEs
18:25.02Georgewethrin: hah! I'm on AS levels
18:25.21wethrinI've still got 2 degrees more than you
18:25.37George2 degrees?
18:25.53wethrinYes
18:25.57Georgein what?
18:25.58Georgewhere from?
18:26.06wethrinPhysics (Oxford), and Computer Science (UCL)
18:27.01Georgefreak
18:27.07Georgeyou're still hairless
18:27.19wethrinUghughgugh
18:28.12Copebye bye
18:28.17wethrinbye!
19:20.40Georgebwahahaha
19:20.44GeorgeDEATH TO THE ANGELCHILD
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21:35.28Agent99Open Source Software on radio 4
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21:47.55Jangowethrin!
21:48.01Jangoyou went to UCL?
21:54.04Georgeit's AngelChild!
21:54.26AngelChildI'm sick and tired of exams already
21:56.08Georgethere, out of your misery now
22:03.15GeorgeCope: that's ... several hours?
22:21.10Copequite a few
22:21.21Copehence I am tired :-)
22:29.05Georgehah
22:34.02Copebedtime
22:34.09Copegoodnight chums
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23:23.41highburycope: hey I'll play you at Table-Tennis
23:38.07Georgemy desk is visible again :D

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