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| 08:06.30 | Leeds | mmm... almost dry weetabix due to lack of milk |
| 08:07.29 | Cope | mmm rooibos and vanilla |
| 08:12.23 | mozrat | 'allo folks |
| 08:12.40 | Cope | oooh, hello mozrat |
| 08:12.45 | mozrat | hey cope! |
| 08:13.18 | SlayerXP | guten tag Herr Nelson |
| 08:13.18 | SlayerXP | (et al) |
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| 08:18.14 | Leeds | X? |
| 08:18.54 | mozrat | hmm? |
| 08:19.10 | Leeds | X screenshots or console/terminal? |
| 08:19.29 | mozrat | the Debian installer which is curses, right? |
| 08:19.49 | Leeds | I guess so |
| 08:20.05 | mozrat | I heard you could do the install over telnet but I'm sure if thats correct |
| 08:20.25 | Leeds | do you know if it's using plain text mode, or the graphical console? |
| 08:21.19 | mozrat | plain text I think |
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| 08:22.33 | mozrat | must be possible/easy to do. You see screenshots of installations all the time |
| 08:22.58 | mozrat | hullo stephen_ |
| 08:24.17 | Leeds | if you can get it into a graphical mode, it's easy |
| 08:24.17 | stephen | mornin' |
| 08:31.23 | wethrin | moanin' |
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| 08:32.08 | wethrin | I need coffee |
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| 09:17.26 | pdr | mornin |
| 09:23.25 | Cope | moin pdr |
| 09:23.31 | Cope | wethrin! |
| 09:26.25 | pdr | got home ok then? |
| 09:26.48 | rhowe | mornin' |
| 09:27.43 | wethrin | cope! |
| 09:27.50 | rhowe | mozrat: You could hack the Debian kernel to include netconsole and use that, I guess :) |
| 09:27.58 | Cope | pdr: yeah, no problems |
| 09:28.02 | Cope | hello rhowe |
| 09:28.15 | rhowe | mozrat: Don't know what type of terminal it'd emulate though.. might not get ANSI colour |
| 09:28.18 | rhowe | heya Cope |
| 09:28.50 | SlayerXP | i presented the budget for the office move to the CEO earlier |
| 09:28.58 | SlayerXP | "fuck me" was his considered response |
| 09:29.28 | SlayerXP | i don't think he was expecting 80k |
| 09:29.45 | wethrin | Where are you moving offices from/to? |
| 09:29.55 | wethrin | It's a bit steep if it's just across the building :) |
| 09:30.05 | SlayerXP | about 10 minutes walk away |
| 09:30.22 | wethrin | Mm. So that includes vehicle hire to move stuff? |
| 09:31.23 | highbury | rhowe vt100 is always safe |
| 09:35.09 | rhowe | highbury: Yeah, but for screenshots it's probably nicer to get the colours |
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| 09:50.19 | mikejw | morning all |
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| 10:00.51 | morsing | Who? |
| 10:00.59 | morsing | Still on for beer tonight? |
| 10:02.16 | wethrin | eek? |
| 10:03.30 | mikejw | ubuntu is great :D |
| 10:03.46 | pdr | i love linux |
| 10:04.15 | mikejw | :) |
| 10:04.31 | mikejw | that's pretty good too |
| 10:06.11 | pdr | :-) |
| 10:07.20 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 10:07.28 | wethrin | Linux sucks |
| 10:07.33 | morsing | Ahh... It was wethrin |
| 10:08.16 | wethrin | Was it? |
| 10:08.17 | wethrin | What was? |
| 10:09.26 | pdr | wethrin is a VMS luser ;-P |
| 10:11.46 | wethrin | betr than a 31337 h4x0r wh0 uss txtspk 0n ch4t l0l |
| 10:12.13 | pdr | l0l!!!!!! me t00!!!! |
| 10:12.23 | wethrin | omfg lol |
| 10:12.35 | pdr | r0tflma0!!!!! |
| 10:12.53 | Jang- | i h8 p01ntl355 t33n-t4lk t00, l0l |
| 10:12.56 | pdr | u r 1337! |
| 10:13.07 | pdr | lol |
| 10:13.53 | wethrin | w0w d00d |
| 10:13.59 | wethrin | plz d0nt h4x0r m3 |
| 10:15.03 | Jang- | i11 b3 g00d |
| 10:15.16 | pdr | 1 41r34|>y 0wnz ur 455!!! lol |
| 10:17.27 | SlayerXP | mozrat :) |
| 10:17.34 | mozrat | :) |
| 10:17.43 | wethrin | 5l4y3rxp iz t3h 31337 t00 |
| 10:18.04 | Jang- | hehe |
| 10:18.07 | SlayerXP | i liked the suggestion of scanning your monitor |
| 10:18.14 | SlayerXP | i'll have to remember that |
| 10:18.15 | mozrat | SlayerXP: yeah :) |
| 10:21.25 | SlayerXP | morsing: does this mean you've returned to sanity^Wthe debian fold? |
| 10:22.03 | morsing | SlayerXP: What? |
| 10:22.06 | morsing | BEER! |
| 10:22.38 | SlayerXP | ffs |
| 10:22.44 | SlayerXP | mozrat: does this mean you've returned to sanity^Wthe debian fold? |
| 10:23.02 | SlayerXP | will you two kindly stop looking like each other |
| 10:23.45 | Cope | Did mozrat stray from the way of truth? |
| 10:24.23 | wethrin | Slackware? |
| 10:25.53 | SlayerXP | cope: no idea |
| 10:26.03 | mozrat | SlayerXP: did I stray? |
| 10:26.12 | SlayerXP | i don't know, did you? |
| 10:26.22 | SlayerXP | you seems like a bit of a rathed clicker to me |
| 10:26.22 | mozrat | Ummmmm |
| 10:26.49 | SlayerXP | easy way to tell |
| 10:26.59 | SlayerXP | if I kidnapped your mouse, would you be able to use your computer? |
| 10:27.14 | SlayerXP | i know several "linux admins" for whom the answer would be "no" |
| 10:28.01 | mozrat | SlayerXP: Yes I would :) |
| 10:28.30 | mozrat | I've always advocated Debian on the server, but I've been using Ubuntu on the laptop for about 3 months |
| 10:28.42 | mozrat | you can decide how evil/sad/wimpy I am :) |
| 10:29.45 | Volvo240 | SlayerXP: Happy |
| 10:29.47 | Volvo240 | ? |
| 10:29.47 | highbury | I'm still more productive with a mouse |
| 10:30.03 | SlayerXP | yes, but you'd still be somewhat productive without one. |
| 10:30.59 | Cope | highbury: you are!? |
| 10:31.15 | Cope | I am much more productive when I barely touch the mouse; hence why I use ratpoison. |
| 10:31.28 | mozrat | Morsing, you could have respawned into any car on earth and you chose a Volvo240? |
| 10:33.31 | highbury | I'm almost ashamed to say I can't use screen (related to hatred of emacs), but give me a nice 17" + screen and I'm well away |
| 10:34.07 | highbury | back when I was a full full-time admin, we used to run at least double-headed suns |
| 10:37.16 | Volvo240 | ~seen Leeds |
| 10:37.18 | ibot | leeds is currently on #gllug (2h 42m 36s) #handhelds.org (2h 42m 36s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2h 13m 1s |
| 10:37.35 | Volvo240 | mozrat: It's the best one |
| 10:38.02 | JAV | good morning |
| 10:38.29 | Volvo240 | mornnig |
| 10:39.05 | RobinReliant | Volvo240: fair enough |
| 10:39.34 | FordEscort | FordCapriGhia: mmm, nice |
| 10:39.55 | FordCapriGhia | I used to have a White Ford Capri Ghia in the Army |
| 10:40.00 | FordCapriGhia | it was an awesome car |
| 10:40.08 | FordCapriGhia | I was in the Kent Capri club! |
| 10:40.12 | FordEscortRS2000 | superb! |
| 10:40.18 | FordEscortRS2000 | We had a yellow ford capri |
| 10:40.34 | FordCapriGhia | I even drove my wife to the hospital whilst pregnant in a white Ford Capri! |
| 10:40.40 | FordCapriGhia | to give birth |
| 10:40.46 | FordEscortRS2000 | superb! |
| 10:40.49 | FordCapriGhia | she didn't share my ethusiasm |
| 10:40.53 | FordCapriGhia | umm |
| 10:40.53 | FordEscortRS2000 | q beams widely. |
| 10:40.56 | FordCapriGhia | spelling-- |
| 10:41.10 | FordEscortRS2000 | FordCapriGhia | aspell |
| 10:41.17 | FordCapriGhia | yes :( |
| 10:41.56 | FordEscortRS2000 | traceroute to xmlrpc.rhn.redhat.com (209.132.177.100), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 10:41.59 | FordEscortRS2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.02 | FordEscortRS2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.04 | FordEscortRS2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.07 | FordEscortRS2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.38 | Volvo240 | Mmm... Volvo 244GT |
| 10:42.58 | FordEscortRS2000 | mmmm |
| 10:44.01 | FordCapriGhia | Go on Volvo240... upgrade your self |
| 10:44.26 | FordCapriGhia | fluffy dice? |
| 10:44.36 | Volvo240 | http://www.volvoadventures.com/242GTspec.html |
| 10:44.39 | FordCapriGhia | and a banner across the top to say "Steve and Soph"? |
| 10:46.12 | GreyCortina | FordCapriGhia: Twin exhaust and rusty bumper :-) |
| 10:46.35 | GreyCortina | FordCapriGhia: TRB song.... |
| 10:48.14 | FordCapriGhia | sweeet |
| 10:48.55 | pdr | even tet is into capris |
| 10:49.06 | GreyCortina | capris are very cool |
| 10:49.09 | GreyCortina | iconic! |
| 10:49.13 | pdr | no they're not |
| 10:49.16 | GreyCortina | lol |
| 10:49.33 | pdr | i'd rather a bloody valiant |
| 10:49.46 | pdr | or even a corolla |
| 10:49.50 | GreyCortina | boooo |
| 10:50.31 | pdr | no idea what they were like in the 80s tho since escorts were discontinued in Australia in the late 70s |
| 10:50.55 | pdr | the focus is much better imo |
| 10:51.10 | pdr | for that size/style of car |
| 10:51.18 | GreyCortina | i love my escort |
| 10:51.39 | GreyCortina | i wouldn't get a focus, I'd move to a mondeo if I changed cars, or just buy another escort |
| 10:51.47 | pdr | i love my Outback |
| 10:51.59 | GreyCortina | bloody huge and hot? |
| 10:52.03 | pdr | why a mondeo? |
| 10:52.10 | pdr | it has A/C |
| 10:52.24 | GreyCortina | I just like them - not sure why. I've never driven one. |
| 10:52.42 | pdr | they handle pretty badly, but then all front-wheel cars do |
| 10:52.51 | pdr | :-) |
| 10:52.55 | GreyCortina | mmmmm sierra |
| 10:53.10 | GreyCortina | (cortina mk v) |
| 10:53.41 | GreyCortina | the mondes seem to do ok in the touring car champs |
| 10:54.48 | pdr | only in the UK |
| 10:55.04 | Leeds | Volvo240: ? |
| 10:55.27 | GreyCortina | pdr: because there's no competition? |
| 10:55.55 | pdr | I didn't say that. |
| 10:56.00 | pdr | ;-) |
| 10:56.29 | pdr | i've really tried to watch touring car racing here, but it's really just not up to scratch |
| 10:56.57 | pdr | drag racing in europe is not so bad tho |
| 10:57.31 | pdr | even tho some countries don't have tracks since it's illegal |
| 10:57.56 | Jang- | toca rocks |
| 10:59.49 | Polo | :P |
| 11:03.44 | Leeds | Volvo240: yes |
| 11:05.02 | pdr | BTW, why is it that there are no British car manufacturers that actually cater for normal people? |
| 11:05.52 | Leeds | pdr: um... ever heard of Rover? :-) |
| 11:05.55 | Jango | because we all buy german / US / Pacific trash |
| 11:06.05 | Jango | Rover == death |
| 11:06.33 | pdr | Rover is more up-market than your average joe can afford |
| 11:06.48 | pdr | they had good racing cars tho, back in the day |
| 11:07.07 | Jango | average joes tend to have chelsea tractors now, it would seem |
| 11:07.17 | pdr | maybe the mini was the last British car for the masses |
| 11:08.15 | pdr | s/last/only/ perhaps? |
| 11:08.58 | Jango | austins? |
| 11:14.53 | wethrin | hehe |
| 11:15.10 | GreyCortina | \/\/4|\||<3R |
| 11:16.45 | pdr | that car has ffii web address on the side of it |
| 11:18.37 | Cope | why oh why do 'office people' adopt pointless and pretentious 'office vocabulary'? |
| 11:19.00 | Cope | eg: please be advised that the all hands meeting will be held on.... |
| 11:19.04 | Cope | why not just: |
| 11:19.10 | Cope | The all hands meeting will be held on... |
| 11:19.45 | Cope | there's another 'I need to have a conversation with...' |
| 11:19.54 | Cope | what's wrong with 'I need to talk to' |
| 11:21.27 | highbury | "talk with" would be slightly better |
| 11:21.54 | Leeds | talk with and talk to have different meanings - certainly different implications |
| 11:22.03 | highbury | yep |
| 11:23.05 | Leeds | and I would say that having a conversation and talking to/with are different |
| 11:24.21 | highbury | I think its time to clear out my spam folder 55,000 items is probably taking up a fair bit of space |
| 11:24.29 | Leeds | whoa |
| 11:24.40 | Leeds | I clear mine out every 5000-6000 or so - monthyl |
| 11:30.59 | SlayerXP | i don't get spam |
| 11:31.22 | SlayerXP | though I have 14,676 gllug emails |
| 11:31.23 | Jango | do you get ham? |
| 11:31.43 | SlayerXP | and 10,794 uknot mails |
| 11:36.04 | eye69 | I should really do something about our spam solution |
| 11:36.54 | wethrin | Precipitate it out |
| 11:37.12 | SlayerXP | eye69: http://www.clues.ltd.uk/ |
| 11:37.27 | SlayerXP | eye69: say "Martin said to call" |
| 11:37.57 | eye69 | SlayerXP: Not that way of doing something. I'm using Cyrus IMAP with Postfix, ClamAV and SA |
| 11:38.23 | eye69 | Also using RBL's with Postfix. I probably just need a sensible way of teaching SA |
| 11:39.09 | eye69 | PostgreSQL backend |
| 11:39.16 | SlayerXP | god no |
| 11:39.52 | wethrin | Mysql |
| 11:39.59 | SlayerXP | do you shell peanuts by running over them in a sherman tank, too? |
| 11:40.16 | wethrin | As it happens, yes |
| 11:42.29 | eye69 | SlayerXP: No, I tend to use a Volvo. |
| 11:43.45 | eye69 | I was looking at dspam a few weeks ago |
| 11:44.01 | SlayerXP | the AntiBody units run an imap server with two public folders for spam and ham |
| 11:44.11 | SlayerXP | stuff dropped into those folders is fed into SA |
| 11:44.45 | eye69 | The Postfix/Cyrus/PostgreSQL solution is non-negotiable though. I don't have time (nor money to buy something) to change that. |
| 11:45.13 | eye69 | We run mail service for our customers, and our customer control panel is written for that. |
| 11:45.55 | eye69 | Ie. hundreds of domains. |
| 11:46.46 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 11:47.00 | SlayerXP | when most people say "their mail system" they mean one machine |
| 11:47.21 | SlayerXP | though you can stuff postfix |
| 11:47.25 | SlayerXP | exim4 is what you want |
| 11:47.32 | wethrin | qmail? :) |
| 11:47.34 | SlayerXP | then you get exiscan |
| 11:48.18 | eye69 | I've been using Postfix for a few years...not something I'd throw out in an instant. |
| 11:49.00 | eye69 | I've been thinking of doing the spam/ham folder thing though. |
| 11:49.47 | SlayerXP | postfix is a fetid corpse of spaghetti |
| 11:49.56 | eye69 | I wouldn't actually need to do it for all customers...my collegues and I get a fair amount of mail...that could be enough to teach SA |
| 11:55.15 | SlayerXP | Subject: [Gllug] No access to GUI for Mandrake Linux! |
| 11:55.39 | SlayerXP | well, not entirely true here |
| 12:03.58 | SlayerXP | deary deary me |
| 12:04.01 | SlayerXP | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0504.3/0113.html |
| 12:04.07 | SlayerXP | can we say "fucking muppet" ? |
| 12:07.34 | wethrin | mucking fuppet? |
| 12:07.53 | wethrin | Lunchtime |
| 12:08.48 | JAV | ramdisk as an ext3 journal? excellent idea! |
| 12:13.31 | Volvo240 | Subway is a big scam |
| 12:15.55 | SlayerXP | as in 'sandwiches'? |
| 12:17.03 | Volvo240 | Yes |
| 12:17.13 | SlayerXP | oh? |
| 12:17.23 | SlayerXP | I quite like their offering |
| 12:17.50 | Volvo240 | I've been there twice ever and they've cheated money off me both times |
| 12:18.09 | SlayerXP | that's most likely just you :) |
| 12:18.12 | SlayerXP | they never cheat me. |
| 12:20.13 | Volvo240 | First time they had an offer saying Coffee & Cake £1. Very small print that you'd never notice said "Only between 2pm and 3pm". I had to pay £4.80 |
| 12:20.47 | Volvo240 | Second time (today) I ordered a sandwich which was clearly priced at £2.80 and they charged me £4.50 |
| 12:22.00 | SlayerXP | you most likely asked for a "foot long" |
| 12:22.12 | SlayerXP | was your sandwich approx. 1 foot long? |
| 12:23.00 | Cope | lol |
| 12:23.01 | Volvo240 | Could be. I don't know how long a foot is. I didn't ask for anything, just answered Yes and No to questions. |
| 12:23.18 | Cope | Volvo240: it depends how tall you are |
| 12:23.51 | SlayerXP | Volvo240: so they said "what sort of bread do you want?" and you replied "yes and no" |
| 12:24.01 | Cope | William's feet aren't very big; My boss has huge feet. |
| 12:25.28 | Leeds | there is something slightly yucky about the identification of sandwiches with feet... |
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| 12:31.30 | Leeds | hey gary, long time no see |
| 12:31.40 | gary | indeed too long |
| 12:31.50 | gary | how's it going? |
| 12:32.06 | Leeds | ooh... depends on when you last spoke to me :-) |
| 12:32.26 | gary | well it must be a good few weeks now |
| 12:32.32 | gary | ru in israel yet? |
| 12:32.55 | SlayerXP | Volvo240: so what actually happened is that you failed as a responsible consumer by allowing the salesperson to oversell their products to you. |
| 12:32.57 | Leeds | been to Israel and come back... been to Spain and Leeds since... going away again tomrrow :-) |
| 12:33.15 | SlayerXP | Volvo240: and we wonder why the national debt is spiralling out of control. |
| 12:33.21 | gary | I thought u were moving to Israel? |
| 12:33.39 | Leeds | not yet... decided to postpone that for a while and go to Hong Kong instead for a bit |
| 12:34.06 | gary | fab!! Honkg kong's fab!...or at least it was when i was last there |
| 12:34.22 | gary | ru going to lonix tonight? |
| 12:34.40 | Leeds | I am going to Lonix, yes |
| 12:35.09 | gary | great!! cu there, don't know if I'll be doing the meal though... it's always chaotic |
| 12:35.26 | Leeds | I won't be there until maybe 7:30 - got a meeting at 6 in north London first |
| 12:35.44 | gary | that's ok, i won't be there too early myself |
| 12:36.06 | gary | what's happening with gllug by the way? when's the next meeting/ |
| 12:36.17 | Leeds | dean is arranging it for early next month AFAIK |
| 12:36.47 | gary | good, it's been ages since I've been |
| 12:36.59 | Leeds | looks like I'll miss it |
| 12:37.20 | gary | last meeting was problematic because the trains were not running on my line |
| 12:37.33 | Leeds | anyway, I was about to go out - got stuff to get done... seeya this evening? |
| 12:37.44 | gary | seee you mate |
| 12:38.21 | Leeds | not one for sticking around, our Gary... |
| 12:45.52 | gregj | hmm |
| 12:53.42 | highbury | a real quickie dumb question how can I display "651aea94c53d" as ascii characters |
| 13:04.15 | gregj | echo "651aea94c53d" ? |
| 13:04.30 | gregj | these are hexes, and you need to convert them to chars, right ? |
| 13:04.46 | gregj | I would do that in perl, I guess |
| 13:11.47 | gregj | PaSzCzUs: duzo |
| 13:11.49 | gregj | http://www.livescience.com/technology/ap_050502_gates_cars.html |
| 13:41.47 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/9dk5y |
| 13:42.51 | gregj | :D |
| 13:47.50 | pdr | "ea" doesn't sound like ascii, but "65" does |
| 13:59.53 | highbury | yeah, I guess pack "H4", 651aea94 was what I wanted |
| 14:31.15 | Leeds | http://www.esellit.com/ is interesting |
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| 14:37.27 | JAV | hi |
| 14:37.55 | pdr | hiya |
| 14:39.24 | mozrat | Hello pdr jav |
| 14:40.04 | pdr | hey mozrat |
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| 14:44.28 | gregj | someone on Tiger (new mac os X): |
| 14:44.30 | gregj | I find Tiger's intangible refinement to be its most compelling feature. |
| 14:44.31 | gregj | :D |
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| 15:22.04 | highbury | Can I use the Tiger CD on more than one machine? |
| 15:25.12 | Leeds | officially? |
| 15:25.41 | Leeds | AFAIK, officially no, in practice yes |
| 15:26.04 | wethrin | Officially yes if you've bought the family-pack |
| 15:28.03 | Leeds | yes, there is that |
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| 16:03.45 | highbury | ahh, tx |
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| 16:05.05 | morsing | ~seen Tarragon |
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| 16:27.38 | Leeds | highbury: ping |
| 16:27.51 | highbury | Leeds: pong |
| 16:27.59 | Leeds | highbury: do you actually *have* a Tiger CD? :-) |
| 16:28.23 | highbury | we'll talk about it at the Pub? |
| 16:28.45 | Leeds | the second half of the question was whether it might come to the pub with you... |
| 16:29.08 | highbury | ah the answer is no |
| 16:29.16 | highbury | ceeya |
| 16:29.20 | Leeds | seeya |
| 16:31.34 | Blapto | Leeds, I've got one |
| 16:31.47 | Blapto | Well, DVD |
| 16:33.25 | Leeds | atgh |
| 16:33.31 | Leeds | Blapto: are you going to be at the pub tonight? |
| 16:34.08 | Blapto | no, but I can image it |
| 16:34.56 | Leeds | argh, fucking spreadsheet! |
| 16:35.03 | Leeds | no good, sorry... |
| 16:35.16 | Blapto | k |
| 16:35.21 | Leeds | I'm in a hurry here and dealing with nasty business technology - spreadsheets and printers |
| 16:35.30 | Leeds | crappy old-fashioned shitty things |
| 16:36.56 | Blapto | Well, do you want me to make an image of it so you can download it later? |
| 16:37.07 | gt_ | hey guys |
| 16:37.29 | Leeds | no, probably not |
| 16:37.31 | Leeds | hey gt_ |
| 16:37.38 | gt_ | hey leeds |
| 16:37.48 | gt_ | i am new to gllug |
| 16:37.52 | Blapto | Well, I'll probably be imaging it anyway, so if you ever want it |
| 16:38.03 | Leeds | Blapto: sorry - not the time for me to be thinking of that - got 25.5 hours... |
| 16:38.16 | Leeds | gt_: hi... I'm about to go out and most of us will be at Lonix this evening |
| 16:38.56 | gt_ | is everyone invited |
| 16:39.10 | gt_ | i am new to london as well |
| 16:39.30 | Blapto | gt_, where are you from? |
| 16:39.43 | gt_ | at present in london |
| 16:39.51 | gt_ | but came from india |
| 16:39.52 | Leeds | gt_: yes, come to Lonix, meet people :-) |
| 16:39.59 | pdr | gt_: msg your email address and i'll send the lonix invite |
| 16:40.17 | gt_ | veeraganesh@users.sourceforge.net |
| 16:41.18 | pdr | ok sent |
| 16:41.36 | gt_ | when will be the next meet |
| 16:41.55 | pdr | possibly at the end of the month |
| 16:41.59 | Leeds | gt_: hope to see you at the pub - I'm in a Banana Republic t-shirt... |
| 16:42.00 | pdr | ok, seeya soon Leeds |
| 16:42.09 | Leeds | seeya all later |
| 16:42.11 | gt_ | ok leeds |
| 16:42.13 | gt_ | thanx |
| 16:42.55 | gt_ | pdr r u coming to the meet |
| 16:43.37 | pdr | i will be at lonix yeah, and probably at the next meeting depending on when it is |
| 16:44.05 | gt_ | i am planning for next meet |
| 16:44.15 | gt_ | since i dont know much about london |
| 16:44.20 | rhowe | Trying to get some data off a backup tape - it's been reading index information from the tape and populating the database for hours so far |
| 16:44.24 | rhowe | gt_: Few in London do |
| 16:44.26 | pdr | gt_: where are you now? |
| 16:44.33 | gt_ | hendon central |
| 16:44.44 | rhowe | gt_: heh, I used to live just off Vivian Avenue :) |
| 16:45.01 | rhowe | gt_: Dead easy to get to Lonix and back from there, it'll just take you 35-40mins or so on the tube |
| 16:45.23 | Leeds | gt_: we need to talk - I'm in Hendon now... |
| 16:45.48 | gt_ | leeds |
| 16:46.04 | gt_ | ur in hendon |
| 16:46.20 | gt_ | i have a question |
| 16:46.31 | gt_ | all the members above 25 |
| 16:46.57 | gt_ | or any students also |
| 16:47.14 | pdr | gt_: leeds is heading to Hong Kong tomorrow so is probably busy packing etc |
| 16:47.23 | gt_ | ok |
| 16:47.39 | pdr | there are people of all ages and experience at both lonix and gllug |
| 16:47.48 | gt_ | ok |
| 16:47.53 | gt_ | what u do pdr |
| 16:47.57 | pdr | lonix is much more of a social pub-type gathering. drinking is not essential by any means tho |
| 16:48.11 | gt_ | i drink a lot |
| 16:48.12 | gt_ | lol |
| 16:48.25 | gt_ | thats good |
| 16:48.26 | pdr | and a -> as a |
| 16:48.45 | pdr | yeah, tis fun |
| 16:48.52 | gt_ | do u know any linux job sites |
| 16:49.01 | gt_ | i cant find any |
| 16:49.10 | gt_ | i got one which is cwjobs |
| 16:49.12 | gt_ | thats it |
| 16:49.18 | pdr | gllug is not like lonix, it has talks etc but then some of us do go to the pub |
| 16:49.35 | pdr | the job sites i've used in the past are monster and jobserve |
| 16:49.40 | pdr | both .co.uk |
| 16:49.49 | gt_ | ok |
| 16:50.00 | gt_ | i am doing my m.sc |
| 16:50.07 | pdr | most of the time you will get to deal with recruitment agents who are generally prettty crap |
| 16:50.14 | pdr | where are you doing that? |
| 16:50.21 | gt_ | in london |
| 16:50.35 | gt_ | u mean college |
| 16:50.38 | pdr | i mean which uni |
| 16:50.39 | pdr | yeah |
| 16:50.47 | gt_ | not a uni |
| 16:50.51 | gt_ | it is a college |
| 16:50.53 | gt_ | scl |
| 16:51.11 | gt_ | i did BEng in computer science |
| 16:51.42 | pdr | i've not heard of scl |
| 16:51.50 | pdr | but then I'm not from the UK either |
| 16:51.55 | gt_ | ok |
| 16:51.59 | gt_ | where r u from |
| 16:52.01 | pdr | Austraila |
| 16:52.05 | gt_ | ok |
| 16:52.15 | Blapto | gt_, Stratford College |
| 16:52.17 | Blapto | ? |
| 16:52.20 | gt_ | yes |
| 16:52.32 | gt_ | blapto |
| 16:52.48 | gt_ | finding a job in london |
| 16:52.52 | gt_ | is very tough |
| 16:53.02 | pdr | yes, indeed |
| 16:53.11 | gt_ | for the last 2 months cant get even a sales job |
| 16:53.14 | pdr | the market is quite good at the moment tho from what i've been told |
| 16:53.48 | pdr | hmm.. my friend from Australia has been able to get a number of interviews in the last month, but still not got work yet |
| 16:53.49 | gt_ | i dont know why |
| 16:54.01 | pdr | so i guess there's a lot of jobs around, but a lot of people applying |
| 16:54.13 | gt_ | what about linux side |
| 16:54.37 | Blapto | I know where it is, opposite the Matalan? |
| 16:54.48 | gt_ | lol |
| 16:55.01 | Blapto | The key to getting a job here seems to be to apply to as many as possible until you get an offer. |
| 16:55.25 | gt_ | i am applying to 40 jobs a day |
| 16:55.40 | gt_ | the thing is |
| 16:55.50 | gt_ | i just completed my BEng |
| 16:56.00 | gt_ | came here for doing M.Sc |
| 16:56.09 | gt_ | i am 21 |
| 16:56.22 | gt_ | may be that is the down side |
| 16:56.26 | pdr | tis difficult to get work in IT in london without experience |
| 16:56.51 | gt_ | no fresher openings |
| 16:57.03 | Blapto | I'm younger than you, 17, if I want to get a job in London in 5 years time I know I'm going to have to do unpaid work experience this summer. |
| 16:57.38 | gt_ | i worked with debain for 2 years |
| 16:57.46 | Blapto | have you put that down? |
| 16:57.52 | Blapto | on the application letters, etc. |
| 16:57.57 | gt_ | no |
| 16:58.55 | gt_ | i am working with linux for past 5 years |
| 16:59.00 | gt_ | only linux |
| 16:59.04 | gt_ | no M$ |
| 16:59.07 | gt_ | crap |
| 16:59.46 | Blapto | If you have any work experience, make sure that you tell the company when you apply for a job, it makes all the difference. |
| 16:59.56 | Blapto | Even if you worked as a waiter for 6 months, stick it down. |
| 17:00.07 | gt_ | ok |
| 17:00.21 | pdr | Blapto: half the trouble is that you don't get to talk to the company, usually getting past the recruitment agents is the hard part |
| 17:00.22 | gt_ | i had 4 months exp. in maplin |
| 17:00.25 | gt_ | electronics |
| 17:00.41 | gt_ | but linux fired me out |
| 17:01.10 | gt_ | as a technical sales assistant |
| 17:01.26 | gt_ | one of the customer asked about linux |
| 17:01.37 | gt_ | being a tux lover |
| 17:01.49 | gt_ | i gave him ubuntu cd set |
| 17:02.07 | gt_ | which ubuntu shipped me about 50 cds |
| 17:02.44 | gt_ | being a M$ user the customer messed his box |
| 17:02.58 | gt_ | he lost all his data |
| 17:03.15 | gt_ | he gave a complaint to the manager |
| 17:03.22 | gt_ | thats it |
| 17:03.28 | pdr | harsh |
| 17:03.44 | gt_ | fired like a penguin |
| 17:04.02 | gt_ | i dont know anyone in london |
| 17:04.08 | gt_ | except my college mates |
| 17:04.16 | gt_ | the nteresting part is |
| 17:04.26 | gt_ | when ever i go to college |
| 17:04.48 | gt_ | i never saw any students in the class |
| 17:04.56 | gt_ | except me |
| 17:05.07 | gt_ | listing to crap tutors |
| 17:06.21 | gt_ | for me it is like shifting from suse to gentoo without hand book |
| 17:09.58 | pdr | ok mate, i'm gonna get some work done (now that it's quiet in the office) and then i'll see you at lonix |
| 17:10.45 | gt_ | ok |
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| 17:43.47 | zachary | ello |
| 17:43.55 | George | hey zachary |
| 17:48.19 | zachary | can a shell script use piped standard output as a postional parameter? |
| 17:51.51 | pdr | what do you mean zachary? |
| 17:52.31 | pdr | you can have a parameter that, if present, is interpreted as a file to output to instead of stdout |
| 17:53.08 | zachary | example: ls -l | shellscript.sh |
| 17:53.35 | pdr | that would be stdin |
| 17:53.38 | Blapto | args? |
| 17:54.09 | Blapto | Do I mean args? I can't remember the name now |
| 17:54.24 | George | flabble |
| 17:54.33 | George | xargs |
| 17:55.29 | pdr | i think he just wants to do: |
| 17:55.35 | pdr | shellscript.sh `ls -l` |
| 17:55.45 | Blapto | xargs, that's it, cheers George |
| 17:56.20 | Blapto | Tiger is so pretty |
| 17:56.21 | Blapto | yay |
| 17:56.27 | pdr | or even: shellscript.sh * |
| 17:57.15 | Blapto | pdr, this one's quite tame. |
| 17:57.25 | zachary | Can't waite to see 10.4. |
| 17:57.59 | gt_ | blapto ur not going to meet |
| 17:58.18 | gt_ | what about u pdr |
| 17:58.20 | Blapto | No, far too much work |
| 17:58.21 | rhowe | Hurry up, biatch |
| 17:58.45 | gt_ | what about u pdr |
| 17:58.49 | George | Blapto: heh, I got Tiger on monday |
| 17:59.05 | gt_ | heyy george |
| 17:59.09 | Blapto | It's quite nice |
| 17:59.34 | Blapto | Bloody fast |
| 17:59.43 | gt_ | blapto what dis u use |
| 17:59.45 | pdr | yeah, i'm just leaving now |
| 17:59.52 | pdr | will be there in about 3 mins |
| 17:59.57 | pdr | just round the corner from here |
| 18:00.08 | Blapto | Blapto, fedora, redhat and NetBSD |
| 18:00.15 | Blapto | gt_, even |
| 18:00.21 | Blapto | There I go, talking to myself again |
| 18:03.21 | gt_ | lol |
| 18:03.36 | gt_ | hey blapto taking redhat certification exam |
| 18:03.45 | gt_ | will do any help in getting jobs |
| 18:04.07 | gt_ | i use slack |
| 18:04.08 | Blapto | I'm not sure, I'm not an employer |
| 18:04.12 | gt_ | lol |
| 18:04.26 | Blapto | I've been thinking I'll do it when I get a job, get my employer to pay for it, might just work. |
| 18:06.30 | Blapto | It's my politics teacher's birthday tomorrow, we're going to get him a cake, so we can basically have a cake eating lesson, yay. |
| 18:07.18 | gt_ | where u stay blapto |
| 18:08.14 | Blapto | Loughton, zone 6 on the Central line |
| 18:08.25 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:09.00 | gt_ | what programming languages u use |
| 18:09.13 | Blapto | I don't really programme. |
| 18:09.25 | gt_ | so u like admin side |
| 18:09.33 | gt_ | rather than programming |
| 18:10.01 | Blapto | I can rarely bother to just learn things, so when I need to make software I either use my shell scripting or perl skills, which are OK, or learn the C/java I need to. |
| 18:10.23 | Blapto | I understand the |
| 18:10.28 | Blapto | C and Java syntax. |
| 18:10.35 | gt_ | cool |
| 18:10.55 | gt_ | when will be the next meet |
| 18:10.58 | Blapto | But it seems that whenever I have a product, I can use shell scripting and combine a load of GNU tools. |
| 18:10.59 | gt_ | do u have any idea |
| 18:11.03 | Blapto | gllug or lonix? |
| 18:11.20 | gt_ | gllug as well as lonix |
| 18:11.30 | Blapto | gllug, it's expected to be the end of May or start of June |
| 18:11.37 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:11.44 | Blapto | as per the topic |
| 18:11.48 | Blapto | lonix, I'm not sure |
| 18:12.01 | gt_ | todays meet is lonix one isnt it |
| 18:12.06 | Blapto | Ya |
| 18:12.07 | Blapto | Yeah |
| 18:12.17 | Blapto | Keyboard is buggered, argh. |
| 18:12.33 | gt_ | what about the elections |
| 18:12.36 | gt_ | tommorow |
| 18:12.42 | Blapto | Gllug guys are really friendly btw. |
| 18:12.50 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:12.58 | gt_ | what about the lonix ones |
| 18:13.04 | Blapto | Never met any of them |
| 18:13.10 | gt_ | why |
| 18:13.14 | zachary | qt_ same guys! |
| 18:13.25 | zachary | At least half of them are. |
| 18:13.29 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:13.33 | Blapto | I rarely have time to go out during the week, which is when the meets are. |
| 18:13.50 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:14.00 | Blapto | I met wethrin, pdr and rhowe at a restaurant, with a few others, really nice guys |
| 18:14.00 | gt_ | i hope i can make for the next meet |
| 18:14.47 | gt_ | is there any aisan members |
| 18:15.36 | George | bleh |
| 18:15.47 | Blapto | http://www.lonix.org.uk/tnet-cgi/Lonix register to get on the mailing list. |
| 18:16.09 | Blapto | I haven't met any asians, but then again I've only seen 7 members, I think. |
| 18:18.11 | gt_ | george |
| 18:18.25 | rhowe | gt_: Asia's a big place |
| 18:18.40 | gt_ | yah |
| 18:18.43 | rhowe | gt_: Do you mean south asian, south-east asian/oriental or east asian |
| 18:18.44 | George | gt_: ? |
| 18:19.06 | rhowe | s/east asian/west asian/ |
| 18:19.18 | gt_ | south asian |
| 18:19.30 | George | rules me out then |
| 18:19.34 | George | I'm half taiwanese :) |
| 18:20.14 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:20.22 | gt_ | where u stay george |
| 18:20.36 | gt_ | u r not going to meet |
| 18:20.45 | gt_ | linux meet |
| 18:20.57 | George | I live at school |
| 18:21.07 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:21.11 | gt_ | in london |
| 18:21.14 | George | yes. |
| 18:21.18 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:21.27 | rhowe | gt_: Well Tushar looks like he has some south asian heritage |
| 18:21.35 | gt_ | yah |
| 18:21.44 | gt_ | tushar sounds like |
| 18:21.49 | gt_ | asian name |
| 18:21.57 | rhowe | gt_: *shrug* Lonix just has quite a few people who go along. Doesn't really matter who you are :) |
| 18:22.17 | gt_ | sorry for that |
| 18:22.33 | gt_ | i came to london 4 months back |
| 18:22.39 | gt_ | i dont have any friends |
| 18:22.43 | gt_ | here |
| 18:22.52 | rhowe | Common thing for people who come to London, I think |
| 18:22.56 | rhowe | The LUGs are quite good for this |
| 18:23.01 | gt_ | yah |
| 18:23.04 | rhowe | Good way to learn your way around the place, too |
| 18:23.07 | gt_ | thats why i joied it |
| 18:23.41 | gt_ | i fell lonely |
| 18:23.45 | gt_ | this days |
| 18:25.06 | gt_ | what about u rhowe |
| 18:25.09 | gt_ | where u stay |
| 18:25.12 | gt_ | and what u do |
| 18:31.56 | Blapto | Hmmm, I can dream. Some Porsches online about the same age as me for about £2000-2500 |
| 18:31.58 | Blapto | Would be nice. |
| 18:32.40 | gt_ | hey rhowe |
| 18:32.45 | gt_ | u still there |
| 18:39.41 | gt_ | i wonder whether the room is silent |
| 18:39.51 | gt_ | or i am kicked out of this room |
| 18:39.59 | Blapto | you're here |
| 18:40.11 | Blapto | I'm busy lusting over a car I can't have. |
| 18:40.25 | gt_ | what about others |
| 18:40.30 | zachary | qt_ You would know if you had been kicked, ask George. |
| 18:41.15 | gt_ | blapto is ur name martin |
| 18:41.30 | Blapto | Yup. |
| 18:42.28 | Blapto | Urgh. My brother "What should I put down on this registration form for my name?" |
| 18:42.35 | Blapto | Me "Foo Bar" |
| 18:42.55 | Blapto | Him "Is that Foo with a double-o or Foo spelt F-u"? |
| 18:43.46 | gt_ | what blapto |
| 18:44.00 | Blapto | get the hackers dictionary |
| 18:44.09 | Blapto | Foo is just a random term, means nothing |
| 18:44.20 | gt_ | ok |
| 18:45.10 | gt_ | where can i find one |
| 18:58.52 | mozrat | Evenin' folks |
| 18:59.08 | admin99 | evening |
| 18:59.18 | mozrat | hello 99 |
| 19:00.08 | admin99 | mozrat: that is Agent99 to you. lol |
| 19:00.48 | mozrat | :) |
| 19:01.03 | mozrat | I was thinking more along the lines of the 99 you stick in your ice-cream |
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| 21:18.14 | gt_ | anyone out here |
| 21:27.57 | gt_ | anyone alive |
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| 22:11.28 | gt_ | hi |
| 22:11.38 | Cope | hello |
| 22:13.50 | ar | hi |
| 22:14.01 | ar | anyone got an opinion on whether its worth learning lisp? |
| 22:17.45 | George | yoyo Cope |
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| 22:30.32 | gt_ | anyone a live |
| 22:38.52 | Cope | gt_: you've asked that several times - it is getting a little annoying :) |
| 22:39.05 | Cope | Hi George :) |
| 22:39.18 | Cope | ar: I have an opinion on learning lisp. |
| 22:40.35 | Cope | ar: it depends on your rationale for learing; from an eductional/compsci perspective, absolutely worthwhile; from a pragmatic, professional perspective - are you likely to get a job with it, will you ever use it commercially? My view: quite unlikely. |
| 22:43.35 | ar | i recently read an article suggesting that languages are slowly evolving towards lisp |
| 22:46.27 | Cope | oh? very interesting. |
| 22:47.42 | ar | hmm, might of been on the gllug list actually |
| 22:48.19 | Cope | my experience of speaking and working with a huge range of big companies is that java is massively popular, C#/.NET likewise; 2nd tier demand is perl, and to a lesser extent python. C & C++ bring up the rear. |
| 22:48.57 | Cope | but java and .net are absolutely the leading skills commercially |
| 22:49.12 | Cope | from the companies and developers I speak to and work with |
| 22:50.21 | ar | hmm, i work with a company where C and java are required. i tend to use python where applicable as well |
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| 22:54.56 | Cope | right |
| 22:55.44 | Cope | I personally do pretty much everything in python, but that's just my choice; in terms of what I admin it 99% java or .net of some sort |
| 22:58.10 | ar | found the link (it was on the list): http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html |
| 23:01.46 | Cope | Goodnight chums. |
| 23:45.43 | Leeds | did gt_ make it to lonix then? |
| 23:49.13 | rhowe | Leeds: hadn't set off when I did |
| 23:49.17 | rhowe | Leeds: So I guess not |
| 23:49.38 | Leeds | ah well... |
| 23:54.22 | Leeds | hmm... I have the following mail in my inbox: |
| 23:54.24 | Leeds | Dear Richard |
| 23:54.24 | Leeds | Please check the attached artworks and let me know which one should be printed. |
| 23:54.24 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.24 | Leeds | Kind regards |
| 23:54.24 | Leeds | Bob |
| 23:54.37 | Leeds | with a pdf called "Richard Cohen.pdf" attached |
| 23:55.17 | Leeds | from "sales" |
| 23:55.47 | Leeds | the mail, of course, screamed *SPAM* at me... |
| 23:55.56 | rhowe | heh, business cards :) |
| 23:56.10 | Leeds | yup :-) |
| 23:56.35 | rhowe | Leeds: It's going to be touch and go as to whether I can afford to fly out while you're there - I should know by the weekend |
| 23:56.56 | Leeds | I like the fact that he's emailed me a couple of possible designs by pdf and asked me to choose - that's very customer-friendly behaviour from a small local print shop |
| 23:57.09 | rhowe | Leeds: Wasn't really expecting prices to be affordable in June, so I'm not really prepared :) |
| 23:57.28 | Leeds | but the mail really needed something like "We spoke this afternoon about business cards - please check..." |
| 23:57.32 | rhowe | Yeah. Pretty good service - what time did he email? :) |
| 23:57.42 | Leeds | 2024 |
| 23:57.50 | rhowe | Quite good :) |
| 23:58.18 | Leeds | yup |
| 23:58.33 | Leeds | the idea is that if I email him my answer overnight, he can print them up in the morning |
| 23:59.31 | Leeds | it's just a pity that he got confused as to what the two phone numbers were and put down one as Tel: and the other as Mob: |
| 23:59.51 | rhowe | Is 852 not a new mobile prefix then? :) |