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| 00:31.28 | Leeds | wish you'd told me earlier... |
| 00:31.55 | rhowe_ | Was it as expensive as you thought it'd be? |
| 00:37.44 | Leeds | yeah |
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| 08:31.25 | murb | ok does someone have opps here to ban Cope until the computer gets fixed. |
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| 09:28.14 | Leeds | suddenly it's very quiet around here |
| 09:32.19 | murb | indeed |
| 09:33.59 | Leeds | maybe... too quiet! |
| 09:34.27 | murb | we need a random jibber generator. |
| 09:34.29 | murb | ibot: ? |
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| 11:33.23 | George | agk: ping |
| 11:48.48 | pawel | oh oh! |
| 11:49.05 | Leeds | pawel: yes, hot things hurt |
| 11:49.53 | pawel | why I was so stupid! |
| 11:49.55 | pawel | :( |
| 11:50.07 | Leeds | how long have you got? |
| 11:50.31 | Blapto | rm -rf /etc pawel? |
| 11:51.02 | pawel | I've bought the ibook, just to find that Tiger is coming. |
| 11:51.13 | Blapto | did you get those voucher thingums with it? |
| 11:51.59 | pawel | Blapto: I don't know, it's on its way. still waiting for the delivery. |
| 11:52.13 | pawel | Blapto: what is it? do they do any discount? |
| 11:52.28 | Leeds | pawel: I bought my powerbook just before panther - you get the upgrade for about ?15 |
| 11:52.51 | Blapto | Occasionally you can just send off the proof of purchase voucher and they send back Tiger |
| 11:52.58 | Blapto | if it's within 3 months, iThink |
| 11:53.46 | Leeds | more like 6 weeks, I thought, but iCould be wrong |
| 11:53.47 | pawel | heh, I've spoken to them twice and they didn't tell my any of these. |
| 11:54.09 | Leeds | I'm hoping my Mac Mini makes it into the window |
| 11:54.10 | Blapto | phone up apple tomorrow and ask what the vouchers are for |
| 11:54.24 | Blapto | You could RMA it and buy another when Tiger comes out |
| 11:54.43 | Leeds | Blapto: I've done it - you don't need the vouchers |
| 11:54.59 | Blapto | ah, ok |
| 11:56.00 | pawel | I told them that I can even wait with the delivery until Tiger comes. but they didn't listen and they sent it on Wednesday. |
| 11:56.31 | pawel | so I hope that's true what you guys are telling me. |
| 11:56.38 | Leeds | you have to remember that Tiger hasn't officially been announced yet |
| 11:56.52 | Blapto | It's all speculation as to the release date |
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| 11:57.53 | pawel | I just don't want to be put in position when I have to pay another £100 just a week from the delivery. |
| 11:58.09 | Leeds | pawel: that won't happen |
| 11:58.16 | Blapto | that won't be the case, I'm positive that if it's inside of a week they'll send you tiger |
| 11:58.29 | Blapto | hell, if you buy a machine and they update it within a fortnight you can have the update instead. |
| 11:58.43 | Leeds | you may have to pay shipping/admin on the Tiger |
| 11:59.40 | Leeds | think secret - who are often very right, but sometimes very wrong, on Apple news - say it will be launched on the 1st, and available a couple of weeks later |
| 12:01.16 | pawel | so fingers crossed. |
| 12:01.25 | pawel | :) |
| 12:03.06 | highbury | I'd just recommended my neighbours buy an iBook, but it just died, and now they're looking at 3 weeks for a replacement, they are not happy at all! |
| 12:03.24 | Blapto | I'm pissed off with Apple |
| 12:03.33 | Blapto | unreasonable business practices. |
| 12:03.57 | Blapto | In my family there are 2 powerbook users |
| 12:04.10 | Blapto | We've sent powerbooks back to apple 3 times |
| 12:04.14 | Blapto | Just about to send another off |
| 12:04.29 | Blapto | and one has a bent screen so it doesn't shut well, it needs to be coaxed into it. |
| 12:05.11 | Blapto | the one I'm about to send off crashes on boot unless the screen is in a certain angle range, crashed when the screen is tilted (so no sleep) and if put to sleep by press power -> sleep, it crashes when it wakes up. |
| 12:06.03 | Blapto | So isn't much of a powerbook at all. I'm going to scream at customer service tomorrow until they replace it, it's also exhibiting the white screen blotches and has been back to apple for a complete case/mobo/drive replacement. |
| 12:06.27 | Leeds | mine doesn't sleep amazingly well now, but that's because the screen is somewhat dented after being dropped onto a tiled floor |
| 12:06.30 | George | anyone here know much about LVM? |
| 12:06.39 | Blapto | A bit. |
| 12:07.01 | Blapto | what's the question? |
| 12:07.02 | George | Blapto: ok, I had a raid failure yesterday with 2 hdds down in my raid 5... |
| 12:07.15 | George | Blapto: I managed to get the "failed" disks back online by rewriting the superblock |
| 12:07.28 | Blapto | not a hardware failure? |
| 12:07.30 | George | Blapto: the raid contained an lvm vol.. and for some reason now lvm doesn't want to load it |
| 12:07.35 | George | Blapto: I don't think it was a ha |
| 12:07.41 | George | Blapto: hardware failure |
| 12:07.49 | Blapto | It may be because the discs are dodgy... |
| 12:08.10 | George | Blapto: I think I've managed to sufficiently bugger the information on the disks regarding LVM to stop them from being recognised |
| 12:08.25 | George | Blapto: but it seems quite a lot of the data is still there from looking at the raw data on /dev/md0 |
| 12:08.31 | George | Blapto: how the hell do I get it back? :) |
| 12:08.47 | Blapto | Do you have SMART monitoring? |
| 12:09.06 | George | yeah |
| 12:09.10 | George | never used it though |
| 12:09.21 | George | and these are SATA disks and linux doesn't support it |
| 12:09.32 | Blapto | I'd be concerned about the hard drives themselves, as if they fairled it could be a cause. Seeing as it was 2 hard drives, I'm thinking it could be a bus issue, are they on a different bus from the other drives? |
| 12:09.48 | George | they're sata drives... so yes. |
| 12:09.52 | George | this is irrelevant anyway |
| 12:10.07 | George | I'm not trying to establish the cause of the problem |
| 12:10.14 | George | I want to get the data off asap |
| 12:10.15 | George | :)P |
| 12:10.17 | Blapto | The cause of the problem is very likely to be causing more issues |
| 12:10.19 | Blapto | dd? |
| 12:10.25 | George | what about dd? |
| 12:10.33 | pawel | Blapto: that's why I took Apple Care Plan to extend warranty to 3 years. |
| 12:10.46 | Blapto | pawel, I've got apple care as well |
| 12:11.01 | George | hah, you don't want to know what trouble I had with my pbg4 titanium |
| 12:11.31 | Blapto | Apple don't care about customers. I've bought 4 powerbooks, 1 G4 tower and more in the last few years. I'd expect some loyalty in return |
| 12:11.38 | Blapto | George, scroll up to read my story. |
| 12:11.41 | pawel | Blapto: I've heard some stories about the issues with apple hardware, that's why I decided to take it. |
| 12:12.34 | Blapto | George, how many disks in your arrar? |
| 12:12.38 | George | Blapto: my old powerbook went through about 5 repairs, replaced casing 3 times, battery once, cd-rw/dvd drive twice, screen 3 times, keyboard once, power supply once... |
| 12:12.45 | George | Blapto: it's a 4 disk raid-5 |
| 12:13.07 | Blapto | If it's the same fault more than twice, you should get a replacement |
| 12:13.11 | Blapto | that's what I'm going for on monday |
| 12:13.46 | George | I'm more concerned about my desktop at the moment |
| 12:13.54 | George | and I'm going to buy a thinkpad next instead of a powerbook |
| 12:13.56 | George | so I don't care |
| 12:13.57 | George | heh |
| 12:14.18 | Blapto | are you using a hardware raid controller? |
| 12:14.21 | George | no. |
| 12:14.26 | Blapto | LVM, so I suppose not. |
| 12:14.54 | Blapto | you could rebuild the LVM data? |
| 12:15.23 | Blapto | how much free space do you have on other disks? |
| 12:15.37 | pawel | are you guys trying to scare me out? :) |
| 12:15.40 | George | Blapto: no idea |
| 12:16.09 | Blapto | pawel, the new ibooks have a good reputation |
| 12:16.15 | Blapto | the tibooks have a shit rep. |
| 12:16.28 | George | yeah, my tibook 667 was a pile of crap |
| 12:16.41 | Blapto | I have a tibook with no screen that is now a desktop... |
| 12:17.30 | Blapto | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/removeadisk.html George, that sums up what I was going to mention, have a look at that and the rest of the HOWTO |
| 12:17.46 | pawel | Blapto: are they going to do something about it? |
| 12:18.15 | Blapto | pawel, they have, the new powerbooks have a new hinge design (a recurring problem) and are made of aluminium |
| 12:18.19 | George | Blapto: I think I only have one physical volume |
| 12:18.22 | George | Blapto: and that's /dev/md0 |
| 12:18.33 | Blapto | eh, you have 3 drives? |
| 12:18.40 | George | ? |
| 12:19.08 | Blapto | ls /dev | grep hd |
| 12:19.18 | George | I have 6 hdds in this machine, 4 which are part of the RAID-5 |
| 12:19.26 | Blapto | ah, ok |
| 12:19.54 | Blapto | My old tibook, that's now a desktop, I was rotating the screen and it just snapped off the hinges |
| 12:20.01 | George | same happened to me |
| 12:20.06 | Blapto | I sent it to apple, and they just said "we can't fix it because you dropped it" |
| 12:20.08 | George | then I got the screen replaced |
| 12:21.20 | pawel | Blapto: btw. my friend's got an old ibook, first model with no history of any repairs. just works fine from begining. |
| 12:21.27 | Blapto | the toilet seat/ |
| 12:21.29 | Blapto | ? |
| 12:28.22 | George | right, I'm never ever ever ever going to use lvm ever again |
| 12:28.29 | George | I'm going to just create more RAID devices instead |
| 12:28.31 | George | grumble. |
| 12:28.39 | Blapto | LVM is dodgy to administer |
| 12:28.46 | George | I realise that now |
| 12:28.56 | George | I've just lost 600GB of stuff. |
| 12:28.57 | George | Oh well. |
| 12:29.09 | Blapto | You use 300GB hard drives? |
| 12:29.13 | George | no. |
| 12:29.18 | George | 200GB |
| 12:29.28 | Blapto | They were full? |
| 12:29.33 | George | just about |
| 12:29.39 | Blapto | What on earth with? |
| 12:29.42 | George | movies. |
| 12:30.04 | Blapto | I'm not sure I have 0.5TB of data over the 7 computers in this room... |
| 12:30.15 | George | this desktop has 5 200GB drives and a 120GB one |
| 12:30.44 | Blapto | You must like movies... |
| 12:30.46 | Blapto | films. |
| 12:32.11 | pawel | George: give me a couple of these drives. :) |
| 12:32.14 | George | no. |
| 12:32.34 | pawel | it's too much for you. |
| 12:33.38 | George | no it's not. |
| 12:34.17 | Blapto | The only film I have on my hard drive in constantine, and that's only because I had to leave the cinema early to get a train homne., |
| 12:34.18 | Blapto | home |
| 12:41.09 | George | right, this case was designed to take 2 hard disks. I have 6 in there |
| 12:41.16 | George | I think that might be a cause of the problem. |
| 12:41.59 | Blapto | Are they just crammed in where they fit? |
| 12:42.06 | Blapto | i.e. not in drive bays? |
| 12:43.30 | George | they're in additional drive bays |
| 12:43.34 | George | which I added on |
| 12:43.45 | Blapto | you got a photo? |
| 12:43.57 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Desktop/pict0773.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 12:44.28 | Blapto | how many fans do you have? |
| 12:44.46 | pawel | Blapto: pass me that movie. :) |
| 12:45.18 | Blapto | pawel, if you can wait until tonight I'll put it on an HTTP server with 30KB/s up for you? |
| 12:49.48 | George | Blapto: a lot. |
| 12:50.31 | Blapto | George, are you CCF? |
| 12:50.35 | pawel | Blapto: yeah, that would be great. |
| 12:51.32 | George | Blapto: sort of |
| 12:52.02 | Leeds | ccf? |
| 12:52.15 | Blapto | Combined Cadet Force |
| 12:52.17 | George | Leeds: Combined Cadet Force |
| 12:52.19 | George | Blapto: bastard. |
| 12:52.20 | Leeds | ah |
| 12:52.28 | Blapto | Army/RAF/Royal Navy/Royal Marines cadets |
| 12:52.29 | Leeds | them... playing at soldiers |
| 12:52.37 | Blapto | typically associated with private school |
| 12:52.40 | Blapto | sort of? |
| 12:52.55 | George | Blapto: yeah |
| 12:52.57 | George | Blapto: I'm "officially" a member of the CCF, but I never parade or anything |
| 12:53.09 | George | Blapto: I'm only a member in my capacity as member of the shooting team |
| 12:54.00 | Blapto | ok |
| 12:54.22 | George | Blapto: looks as though a big aluminium full tower case is going to be on order |
| 12:54.28 | George | Blapto: I think my case is too overcrowded |
| 12:54.42 | Blapto | With less mecanno. Is that mecanno?/ |
| 12:55.22 | Blapto | Looks like you'd like my walther 4 x 40 illuminated reticle riflescope :) |
| 12:55.49 | George | Blapto: yes, that's meccano |
| 12:56.27 | Blapto | Blow a watermelon open from 300m with an SA80 :) |
| 12:56.35 | Blapto | never been on a range longer than that though :( |
| 12:56.46 | George | hah |
| 12:56.59 | George | we shoot at 300 and 500 yards with the Parker Hale L81A2 cadet target rifles |
| 12:57.10 | George | match sights so no scope |
| 12:57.28 | Blapto | Never used the L81 |
| 12:58.04 | Blapto | I've used iron sights on an L96 |
| 12:58.21 | Blapto | but that was only on a 30yd range, so quite pathetic really. |
| 12:58.22 | George | L96 is the GP cadet rifle isn't it? |
| 12:58.30 | Blapto | L96 is the GP |
| 12:58.35 | George | heh |
| 12:58.40 | Blapto | L85 is the SA-80 |
| 12:58.40 | George | I can't shoot a GP to save my life |
| 12:58.52 | George | but I can hit a target the size of a plate at 500yds with the L81 :) |
| 12:59.15 | Blapto | with match sights that's not bad. |
| 12:59.29 | George | yeah |
| 12:59.32 | Blapto | Why do you have difficulty with the GP? |
| 12:59.33 | George | that's the bullseye |
| 12:59.47 | George | because a) there's no sling, b) it has a blade foresight... |
| 12:59.50 | George | plus I've only ever shot it once |
| 13:00.10 | Blapto | Sling? |
| 13:00.13 | Blapto | Just go prone with it. |
| 13:00.25 | George | yeah, but I use a sling when shooting prone |
| 13:00.30 | Blapto | How? |
| 13:00.43 | George | erm |
| 13:00.47 | George | have you ever done target shooting? |
| 13:00.51 | George | everyone uses a sling :) |
| 13:00.56 | Blapto | Not really. |
| 13:00.58 | George | hrmm |
| 13:01.02 | George | hard to explain really |
| 13:01.08 | Blapto | I was just introduced to the RAF Regiment armoury and RAF Honnington |
| 13:01.16 | George | you basically attach a sling to your left arm then attach it to the rifle |
| 13:01.22 | George | and use it to support the rifle when shooting |
| 13:01.24 | George | keeps it still |
| 13:01.33 | Blapto | Ah.... |
| 13:01.35 | Blapto | bipod :) |
| 13:01.43 | George | when I shot the GP, the recoil from the 5.56 was throwing me about |
| 13:01.45 | George | lol |
| 13:01.59 | George | when I was using the L81, the 7.62 didn't move a thing |
| 13:03.03 | Blapto | Never used an L81, so I can't really comment |
| 13:04.35 | George | there are pictures of it on my site |
| 13:04.46 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Bisley/Ashburton%202004/pict0611.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 13:05.16 | Blapto | Isn't that the one that started to exhibit cracks in the metalwork? |
| 13:05.27 | George | no |
| 13:05.33 | George | those are the replacement for those :) |
| 13:05.50 | Blapto | Ah, ok |
| 13:05.56 | Blapto | slightly less dangerous then |
| 13:08.14 | pawel | pict0615.jpg, is it George? :) |
| 13:09.21 | George | no, it's not. |
| 13:09.34 | Blapto | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Shttp://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/School/pict0483.jpg&width=800&height=600 ?chool/pict0483.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 13:09.59 | George | yeah, that'd be me |
| 13:10.35 | Blapto | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/School/pict0483.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 13:10.53 | George | are you trying to rape my bandwidth? |
| 13:11.08 | Blapto | no, I'm trying to make it so that pawel doesn't have to decode it |
| 13:11.25 | Blapto | Besides, it's 50KB |
| 13:12.45 | George | that's 2 seconds of bandwidth! |
| 13:12.58 | Blapto | egad |
| 13:13.53 | George | right |
| 13:14.07 | George | where can I buy a good aluminium full tower case for a reasonable price with uber ventilation? |
| 13:14.26 | Blapto | www.scan.co.uk ? |
| 13:14.32 | George | nah |
| 13:14.35 | George | already checked there |
| 13:14.37 | Blapto | ebuyer? |
| 13:14.38 | Blapto | dabs? |
| 13:14.43 | Blapto | overclockersuk? |
| 13:15.43 | George | yeah, I'm on ocuk at the moment |
| 13:15.45 | George | http://www.coolermaster.com/product_common_images/fd87edec6820977cde121d80faa6be93.jpg |
| 13:15.49 | George | what do you think of that case? |
| 13:17.27 | Blapto | 2PSUs? |
| 13:20.09 | George | ? |
| 13:20.22 | Blapto | I think tht case supports psus two |
| 13:20.31 | George | probably |
| 13:20.56 | Leeds | I give up... they're launching the gardening channel |
| 13:21.01 | George | hahaha |
| 13:22.25 | Blapto | Leeds, who? |
| 13:29.24 | gregj | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050318-4717.html |
| 13:29.52 | gregj | what a lame idiot, he had to admit that his beloved software has memory leaks, and treads on its own tail |
| 13:29.59 | gregj | bloody funny if you askme |
| 13:35.31 | Leeds | Blapto: 'UKTV' |
| 13:35.38 | Blapto | ah, yes |
| 13:35.44 | Blapto | Gold is good for comedy though |
| 13:41.18 | Leeds | so, anyone else planning to go to the Mind Hacks thing at Foyles? |
| 13:49.32 | Leeds | hmm... 4-day weekend coming |
| 13:51.07 | George | right |
| 13:51.10 | George | that's my shit ordered |
| 13:51.26 | George | 4 120mm fans, coolermaster stacker case, 2 5.25 -> 3.5" bay converters |
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| 14:03.52 | George | woooo |
| 14:03.58 | George | the number of emails in my gllug folder is now 6666 |
| 14:32.24 | JAV | good afternoon |
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| 16:06.33 | highbury | George: 32884 |
| 16:07.19 | murb | for extra points multiply the gllug folder size in messages with the number of unread messages. |
| 16:08.16 | murb | btw 38029 messages |
| 16:31.46 | murb | why is it in Shanghai? |
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| 16:36.36 | Leeds | it was, a couple of weeks ago |
| 16:40.16 | NisoDaemon | If this is the last GLLUG then it rocked. |
| 16:40.22 | NisoDaemon | And i'm not biased :) |
| 16:40.50 | Leeds | Question Time in Shanghai |
| 16:41.10 | NisoDaemon | Bah, not as important as GLLUG |
| 16:41.39 | Leeds | the difference is that the TiVo didn't record the GLLUG meeting |
| 16:42.00 | NisoDaemon | But we may have some MP3s of it. Fingers crossed |
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| 16:45.50 | *** topic/#gllug by Leeds -> Greater London LUG. Next meeting: End of May or start of June 2005, Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug |
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| 17:10.48 | floo | hello |
| 17:11.41 | Leeds | hey |
| 17:12.55 | Leeds | so I'm listening to Israeli streaming radio - really unreliable stream - and there's a song on I like, which I know has a cool video, but from what I understand of the words, I think it's actually a pretty sad song about a girl who has no connection with her world |
| 17:13.54 | Leeds | floo: so how's your life? :-) |
| 17:17.36 | *** join/#gllug wethrin (dankolb@ipv6.eco.li) |
| 17:18.48 | Leeds | that bad, huh? |
| 17:19.05 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 17:19.10 | wethrin | Morning |
| 17:19.13 | wethrin | ish |
| 17:20.17 | Leeds | wethrin: I was talking to floo! you too, huh? :-) |
| 17:20.44 | wethrin | Yes. Something wibbled in Mailbox last night, and hades only came back 16 hours ago |
| 17:21.18 | Leeds | yeah, butter and cheese rebooted |
| 17:21.41 | murb | Leeds: do you have a host called toast? |
| 17:21.49 | Leeds | no |
| 17:22.11 | Leeds | cheese is also called yog(h)urt - it's a dairy theme |
| 17:22.21 | wethrin | Leeds: So did hades. Other machines were down, so it may have been a power failure |
| 17:22.29 | murb | Leeds: ahah |
| 17:22.44 | Leeds | wethrin: see their status page... was a spike/brown-out/something |
| 17:22.53 | wethrin | Ahhhh |
| 17:22.58 | wethrin | I couldn't get to their status page yesterday |
| 17:23.04 | murb | Mailbox are pretending to be Redbus/HeX? |
| 17:23.13 | floo | oh sorry just a min |
| 17:23.26 | Leeds | no, neither could I |
| 17:23.39 | floo | Leeds everything's fine |
| 17:23.45 | Leeds | floo: good! |
| 17:23.47 | floo | got distracted |
| 17:24.06 | floo | Hi wethrin feeling better now |
| 17:24.21 | floo | Hi Murb |
| 17:24.46 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 17:24.48 | wethrin | It's time for food |
| 17:24.55 | wethrin | And then for me to go |
| 17:25.59 | floo | tried to get to meeting but no trins on my line buses not good either, gave up in end |
| 17:26.06 | floo | heard it went well though |
| 17:27.23 | Leeds | I was in Israel :-) |
| 18:16.45 | *** join/#gllug rhowe (rhowe@xiao.siksai.co.uk) |
| 18:19.16 | Leeds | yes, can I help you? |
| 18:19.25 | rhowe | Just checking I actually have an internet link |
| 18:19.44 | rhowe | Can't seem to load http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=555462&file=filename.pls |
| 18:20.26 | rhowe | Or rather, epiphany doesn't seem to want to load it |
| 18:20.31 | rhowe | wget is fine with it |
| 18:20.34 | Leeds | seems to work for me... I'm listening to Israeli radio, so I'm not firing up the mp3 player |
| 18:20.54 | Leeds | oops, yes I am |
| 18:21.08 | rhowe | heh |
| 18:21.30 | Leeds | tip - hitting cancel is a better way of not doing something than hitting okay |
| 18:21.38 | Blapto | rhowe, what is that stream? |
| 18:21.59 | rhowe | Blapto: nunbicast.com |
| 18:22.09 | Blapto | It works for me |
| 18:22.13 | Blapto | but it's evil music ;) |
| 18:22.24 | rhowe | Blapto: Yeah, I downloaded it with wget and fed it to beep-media-player by hand |
| 18:22.26 | Leeds | is it jpop or something? |
| 18:22.33 | Blapto | RnB? |
| 18:22.35 | rhowe | kpop |
| 18:22.39 | Leeds | ah |
| 18:22.46 | Blapto | jpop, kpop, what? |
| 18:22.47 | rhowe | It's like jpop, but relaxing |
| 18:23.17 | rhowe | "[Popular Music of Korea] 365 days broadcasting which is constant - http://nunbicast.com" |
| 18:23.32 | Leeds | or even knowledge! |
| 18:24.08 | Blapto | k = korean, j = japanese? |
| 18:24.35 | Blapto | Leeds, you got a link to the ipop? |
| 18:25.55 | rhowe | Blapto: Yup, add on cantopop, and you've got the main asian pop music producers covered |
| 18:26.25 | Leeds | Blapto: http://glz.msn.co.il for the homepage, http://gifs.msn.co.il/media/glz.asx or http://gifs.msn.co.il/media/gglz.asx for streams - they're different stations - the first is Army radio, the second is, approximately, Army radio with traffic news (seriously) |
| 18:26.52 | Blapto | I'm ok without the traffic news |
| 18:27.09 | Leeds | it's a better station, and there isn't that much traffic news :-) |
| 18:27.41 | Leeds | rhowe: the difference is that you're not going to get news on the hour, updates on the traffic in Seoul and so on :-) |
| 18:28.12 | rhowe | o.O |
| 18:28.30 | rhowe | Changed to another kpop stream and they're playing a Korean translation of a Japanese song |
| 18:28.36 | Leeds | Blapto: it plays about 50% Hebrew music, 50% English |
| 18:29.03 | rhowe | At least, I think it's Korean.. |
| 18:29.23 | rhowe | heh, no |
| 18:29.34 | rhowe | It's a Mandarin translation of Utada Hikaru's Automatic |
| 18:29.40 | rhowe | How odd |
| 18:29.56 | rhowe | (and how awfully bad) |
| 18:30.14 | Blapto | Leeds, is what's playing now typical of the station? |
| 18:30.22 | Leeds | Blapto: 50cent? no |
| 18:31.18 | rhowe | Blapto: The nunbicast one I like because the DJs have really relaxing voices and the music's usually pretty much soft and relaxing. Makes for quite good music to listen to at work while trying to concentrate |
| 18:31.33 | rhowe | Blapto: Don't get distracted by lyrics, or anything like that :) |
| 18:32.00 | Blapto | I don't understand them, it's kind of hard to get distracted by |
| 18:32.04 | Blapto | they just melt into the music |
| 18:32.10 | rhowe | Leeds: I finally caught up with the gllug list today, so there won't be any more 4-month lags in my replies to posts :) |
| 18:32.36 | rhowe | INBOX [Msgs:400 New:342] |
| 18:32.39 | rhowe | Nearly there :) |
| 18:33.28 | rhowe | o.O |
| 18:33.39 | rhowe | OK, maybe they just play weird stuff on Sundays |
| 18:33.41 | Leeds | one of the main reasons I'm listening is to practice my Hebrew |
| 18:33.57 | rhowe | Now I'm listening to a Korean version of "I Will Survive" |
| 18:34.00 | rhowe | not for long.. |
| 18:34.09 | rhowe | *clickclick* |
| 18:35.23 | Blapto | OK, now listening to rhowe's music, it's hilarious |
| 18:35.46 | rhowe | Blapto: heh, nunbicast? |
| 18:35.52 | Blapto | yeah |
| 18:36.02 | rhowe | Blapto: The announcements are great :) |
| 18:36.25 | Blapto | Now it's I can't get you out of my head |
| 18:36.32 | Blapto | not sure what language though, haven't heard lyrics |
| 18:36.35 | rhowe | OK, they're playing Kylie Minogue, but usually they just use it as background music while the DJs are speaking |
| 18:36.39 | rhowe | Blapto: English |
| 18:36.44 | Blapto | ah, english |
| 18:37.07 | Leeds | Blapto: the 7pm (9pm) show on galgalatz seems to have a lot more English than the daytime shows |
| 18:40.09 | Leeds | ah, there's some hebrew |
| 18:40.18 | Blapto | I know, I can hear it :) |
| 18:40.41 | Blapto | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=90837&item=4975287249&rd=1 |
| 18:40.45 | Blapto | What would you say that's worth |
| 18:40.53 | Blapto | I'm really tempted, it's a lovely watch |
| 18:41.45 | Leeds | quite a lot, in decent condition, I'd say |
| 18:41.48 | Blapto | Just I know I can get a modern version from the same factory that comes with a warranty etc and is £20. The strap isn't as nice though. |
| 18:43.55 | George | yoyo Blapto |
| 18:44.27 | rhowe | Blapto: Doesn't say the strap's original though |
| 18:44.51 | Blapto | True |
| 18:45.28 | Blapto | And the strap is in vrey good condition |
| 18:45.44 | Blapto | It hasn't been worn |
| 18:46.22 | Blapto | Heh |
| 18:46.30 | Blapto | Leeds, you know I'm a toy soldier? |
| 18:46.46 | Leeds | Blapto: cadet? TA? |
| 18:46.51 | Blapto | Cadet |
| 18:46.55 | Blapto | but I might join the TA |
| 18:47.14 | Blapto | I've got an application into the RAF as a pilot that processing though. |
| 18:47.31 | Blapto | I'll take off the russian watch when I go to the interview |
| 18:47.47 | Leeds | heh |
| 18:48.12 | Leeds | so you're at school? |
| 18:48.14 | Blapto | anyway, 8ft wall, 7 people, 40 seconds. The CO was very impressed, so he asked us to do it and filmed it |
| 18:48.22 | murb | Blapto: so you can be blow to bits? |
| 18:48.25 | murb | n |
| 18:48.39 | murb | join the army/airforce/navy get blown up. |
| 18:48.41 | Blapto | Last guy up was Max, who unzips his combat jacket revealing a bright red t-shirt with a hammer and sickle |
| 18:48.58 | Blapto | starts shouting russian propaganda in russian. |
| 18:49.03 | Blapto | pure genius |
| 18:49.32 | Blapto | doing the whole waving arms around and point at people in the distance, making cutting motions across his throat. |
| 18:49.58 | Leeds | bah... I've been to Russia, and I used to be a card-carrying member of a 'socialist' youth movement - oh, and I'm a proud defender of an apparently fascist state |
| 18:50.34 | Blapto | Max does GCSE Russian, so he had some skills |
| 18:50.43 | Leeds | I'm working on the basis that if I did go to Israel, the army wouldn't want me, since they do have first refusal |
| 18:50.58 | Blapto | why wouldn't they want you? language skills? |
| 18:51.53 | Leeds | age and fitness |
| 18:52.07 | Blapto | Ah, too much time kernel hacking? |
| 18:52.22 | Leeds | a little more serious than that now |
| 18:52.33 | Blapto | Hopefully not too serious? |
| 18:52.50 | Leeds | hope not |
| 18:52.57 | Leeds | not entirely sure yet |
| 18:53.03 | Blapto | Diabetes? |
| 18:53.23 | Leeds | amongst other issues, yes |
| 18:53.29 | Blapto | Type 1 or 2 |
| 18:53.58 | Leeds | good question... dunno |
| 18:54.15 | Blapto | Get that checked then, type 2 can be cured through diet and excercise |
| 18:54.25 | Leeds | it's not as simple as that, trust me |
| 18:54.52 | Leeds | for example, it cannot be cured, it can be managed |
| 18:54.59 | Blapto | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86960&item=4976428552&rd=1 <-- modern version for less than half the price |
| 18:55.07 | Blapto | Then most likely Type 1 |
| 18:55.09 | Blapto | do you take insulin |
| 18:55.23 | Leeds | I do take insulin, but that does *not* mean it's type 1 |
| 18:55.30 | Blapto | I know |
| 18:57.20 | Leeds | people have a tendency to confuse cause, effect and treatment |
| 18:57.36 | Blapto | My dad's type 2, so I've some experience |
| 18:58.07 | Leeds | ah, okay |
| 18:59.43 | rhowe | From a quick scan of wikipedia, type 1 seems to be where the body doesn't produce insulin and type 2 where the body ignores insulin's presence, 3 is all other, including 3C which is disease of the pancreas. Type 4 is related to pregnancy |
| 19:00.50 | Leeds | rhowe: the definitions of types 3 (misc) and 4 (gestational) aren't universal, and the major medical issue with type 1 is that it's an auto-immune thing - the body attacking the pancreas itself |
| 19:00.52 | rhowe | type 1 being where the body doesn't produce any because the immune system attacks the production systems, it seems |
| 19:01.04 | murb | rhowe: oh they ran out of nunbers and started having ot use letters as well? |
| 19:01.15 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, they'll use colours next |
| 19:02.27 | Leeds | mine is blue! |
| 19:03.05 | rhowe | rgb.txt has 753 lines, so I think that should do them for a while :) |
| 19:04.19 | rhowe | You could have "olive drab" or "light goldenrod" |
| 19:04.38 | rhowe | heh, "I have chocolate diabetes" |
| 19:05.36 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 19:05.55 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.55 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.55 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.55 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.58 | rhowe | For example.. |
| 19:06.05 | rhowe | And others aren;t |
| 19:06.43 | Blapto | rgb.txt? |
| 19:07.00 | rhowe | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt |
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| 19:07.58 | Blapto | because of the distinction between grey and gray |
| 19:07.59 | Blapto | ? |
| 19:08.43 | Leeds | lol |
| 19:13.13 | Leeds | ibot change 50 aud to gbp |
| 19:13.23 | Leeds | ibot thanks |
| 19:13.23 | ibot | Leeds: de rien |
| 19:15.08 | rhowe | Blapto: Ach, so |
| 19:15.09 | rhowe | Blapto: A |
| 19:15.20 | rhowe | Blapto: I actually just read that, after googling |
| 19:15.32 | rhowe | "* There are actually two hundred and two entries in this section--one for each shade spelled gray and another for each shade spelled grey. |
| 19:15.44 | rhowe | http://www.klauser.ch/lxug/ch14.htm |
| 19:15.47 | Blapto | heh |
| 19:29.40 | Leeds | http://www.yumyum.co.uk/delivery.htm |
| 19:31.34 | pawel | Blapto: have you put the movie for me? :) |
| 19:31.48 | Blapto | Ah, so you're the person who was asking about it! |
| 19:32.18 | pawel | yes. indeed. |
| 19:35.18 | pawel | brb. coffee time. |
| 19:35.26 | Blapto | It's about 1.4GB |
| 19:35.41 | pawel | oh, is it a couple of CDs? |
| 19:35.54 | Blapto | Yep |
| 19:36.33 | Blapto | When I downloaded, the bloody thing was .rar ed, of course it doesn't compress so it came to a 2GB download |
| 19:36.36 | Blapto | rediculous |
| 19:36.40 | pawel | OK, doesn't matter. |
| 19:36.50 | pawel | put it. :) |
| 19:36.50 | Blapto | Do you still want the,? |
| 19:36.54 | Blapto | them |
| 19:37.06 | pawel | yeah. :) |
| 19:37.13 | Blapto | ok |
| 19:37.19 | pawel | why not, my broadband isn't busy. |
| 19:37.37 | pawel | and want to see this movie. |
| 19:38.09 | Blapto | The ending is brilliant |
| 19:38.16 | Blapto | especially the bit where he |
| 19:39.08 | pawel | hey! don't tell me the story. :) |
| 19:39.17 | Blapto | :) |
| 19:39.57 | Leeds | I assume there's no illegal piracy (rape, pillage, sinking ships, etc.) going on here |
| 19:40.12 | Blapto | Why are pirates called pirates? |
| 19:40.17 | Blapto | Because they Arrrrrr. |
| 19:40.38 | pawel | Leeds: let me check your CDs first. |
| 19:40.57 | Leeds | pawel: ? |
| 19:41.25 | Leeds | I have many CDs here... many DVDs... some music bought from the apparently-legal-in-Russia allofmp3.com :-) |
| 19:41.48 | Blapto | I'd say I deserved to download this film, I did it because I had to walk out of the cinema before it ended. |
| 19:42.47 | Leeds | why did you have to leave early, and why does that give you the right to view it again as many times as you want, and redistribute it? |
| 19:42.53 | pawel | Leeds: do you pay them with your CCs? |
| 19:43.03 | Leeds | pawel: I have done, yes |
| 19:43.47 | pawel | Leeds: I wouldn't trust any Russian site. ;) especialy when it comes to CCs payments. |
| 19:44.16 | Leeds | I watch my online statement very carefully and I've never seen any reason to believe it's being misused |
| 19:44.21 | Blapto | pawel, just use a different CC? |
| 19:44.45 | Leeds | there are cc services which will issue single-use card numbers |
| 19:45.37 | Blapto | do they take paypal leeds? |
| 19:46.02 | Leeds | just looking :-) |
| 19:46.07 | pawel | as far as I can see - no. |
| 19:46.24 | pawel | but I would like it if they do paypal. |
| 19:46.39 | Leeds | "Paypal: Sorry, service temporarily unavailable" |
| 19:47.27 | pawel | anyone fancy a cup of coffee? :) |
| 19:47.32 | Leeds | pawel: ? |
| 19:48.38 | Leeds | anyway, the alternative is to get someone to buy you a gift card |
| 20:15.38 | rhowe | hm |
| 20:16.15 | rhowe | heh |
| 20:16.28 | rhowe | I've been looking for it for 15mins, and of course as soon as I ponder on IRC, I find it |
| 20:18.08 | Leeds | you left it in your IRC client? |
| 20:18.31 | Blapto | rhoew, I lost my mobile once |
| 20:18.37 | Blapto | Couldn't find it for about a week |
| 20:18.55 | Blapto | then one day I just though "It's under my desk, just behind the speaker" |
| 20:19.01 | Blapto | Look behind the speaker, and there it was. |
| 20:19.06 | Leeds | Blapto: um... you could have called it at the start of the week, at least |
| 20:19.28 | Blapto | I leave it on vibrate, and it was on a nice cushioned surface |
| 20:19.43 | Leeds | ah |
| 20:21.28 | Leeds | well, I'm off to make another attempt to buy Thai food, having failed last night |
| 20:23.44 | Blapto | Leeds, where are you? |
| 20:34.46 | pawel | Leeds: how much does an album cost there? |
| 20:35.03 | pawel | oh. he is out. |
| 20:35.05 | rhowe | Now, if only I could find my nail clippers |
| 20:35.19 | rhowe | heya pawel |
| 20:35.21 | pawel | Blapto: how are you doing wi |
| 20:35.26 | pawel | Blapto: how are you doing with that movie? |
| 20:35.29 | pawel | argh. |
| 20:35.44 | pawel | rhowe: hi. how is it going? |
| 20:36.58 | rhowe | pawel: Not so bad - I can see my floor now, and the washing basket's finally empty |
| 20:37.07 | rhowe | (there has been the odd item in there since January) |
| 20:37.26 | rhowe | pawel: However, my nail clippers have gone walkabout - have you seen them? |
| 20:38.52 | pawel | rhowe: not really. :> |
| 20:39.04 | rhowe | You don't sound convinced - are you sure? |
| 20:39.55 | pawel | rhowe: well. how much do you pay? |
| 20:40.29 | rhowe | Certainly no more than the cost of the clippers, which was around a quid IIRC :) |
| 20:58.36 | Leeds | Blapto: Hendon |
| 20:59.05 | Leeds | pawel: they charge $0.02 per mb transferred - you can choose what bitrate and format you want |
| 21:06.46 | pawel | Leeds: so an average album would be around $2? |
| 21:13.53 | Leeds | a little less, I'd say |
| 21:14.15 | Leeds | mmm... strong red curry |
| 21:25.20 | pawel | http://songs3.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=7450&album=500&albref=25 |
| 21:25.24 | pawel | oh yes! |
| 21:25.33 | pawel | I've been looking for it for ages! |
| 21:26.07 | Leeds | heh, cool |
| 21:27.51 | pawel | Leeds: so are they reliable? can I trust them my CC? :) |
| 21:29.15 | Leeds | pawel: I've been using them lightly for over a year and never had any noticable problem except an occasionally busy server |
| 21:29.54 | Leeds | they just went through a police investigation in Russia and the result was effectively that while it's obvious they're not really doing the right thing, it's not actually illegal in Russia :-) |
| 21:30.12 | Leeds | They are pretty popular and I've never particularly heard anything dodgy about them |
| 22:47.36 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.49 | *** mode/#gllug [-b *!*sanelson@*.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] by Leeds |
| 22:47.57 | *** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 22:50.13 | highbury | we anybody else interesting banned? |
| 22:50.23 | highbury | s/we/we have/ |
| 22:52.27 | Leeds | nope |
| 22:52.48 | Leeds | you know why I banned him, right? |
| 23:03.00 | Blapto | pawel, you home? |
