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| 04:56.28 | evangineer | Leeds, you might want to check out http://jtauber.com/blog/2005/02/13/almost_ready_for_another_trip_%28and_a_geek_dinner%29 |
| 04:56.37 | evangineer | James is a python hacker |
| 04:56.52 | evangineer | also does RDF and movies apparently |
| 05:05.55 | Leeds | I'll keep an eye out... and you should really be asleep |
| 05:08.54 | evangineer | true |
| 05:09.48 | Leeds | then again, I just set an alarm for 0455, and it's 0010 here |
| 05:09.56 | Leeds | zzzz |
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| 08:31.52 | Cope | hello mo* |
| 08:33.06 | mozrat | hello cope |
| 08:39.48 | morsing | morning [Cope|mozrat] |
| 08:39.50 | mozrat | http://beerandspeech.org/images/050215/isenbeck-ballet.asf << 3Mb, work safe, funny male ballerina advert |
| 09:44.25 | Leeds | zzzzz |
| 09:46.00 | Leeds | morning folks |
| 09:46.08 | morsing | morning |
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| 09:49.26 | Leeds | morning SlayerXP |
| 09:49.31 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:49.56 | mozrat | morning LayerXP, Seeds |
| 10:04.44 | morsing | Mmm... alternator |
| 10:04.54 | ufo | morning guys |
| 10:11.10 | mozrat | morning ufo |
| 10:12.05 | ufo | have you already booked your flight to warsaw? ;] |
| 10:13.54 | mozrat | nope |
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| 10:28.17 | Leeds | morning pdr |
| 10:28.21 | pdr | moin leeds |
| 10:29.12 | Leeds | as opposed to at some random bird's? :-) |
| 10:29.56 | pdr | not random anymore - i have a girlfriend now. i convinced her that it wouldn't be so bad to stay at mine |
| 10:30.12 | Leeds | ah |
| 10:31.09 | pdr | she's gonna help me tidy up on the weekend |
| 10:31.18 | pdr | so i'm a bit scared of what might surface |
| 10:31.31 | Leeds | yeah, you might want to plan for that |
| 10:32.43 | pdr | indeed, like a find / -topic 'ex g/f' -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 10:32.58 | pdr | i wish we had unix commands for real life |
| 10:33.04 | Leeds | heh |
| 10:33.44 | Leeds | find / -type porn -exec mv {} /hidden \; |
| 10:34.12 | pdr | hehe |
| 10:34.57 | pdr | she's already seen my browser history, but didn't say anything |
| 10:35.16 | Leeds | well that's easy enough to sanitise! |
| 10:35.54 | pdr | i'll just give her a different X session with her own account. |
| 10:36.26 | pdr | i already run two Xs, one for pdr and one for mythtv |
| 10:36.40 | pdr | so how was your valentine's day, leeds? |
| 10:38.07 | Leeds | so-so... the 15th is really really sucking so far |
| 10:39.17 | Leeds | sucking to the extent of the phrase 'gardening leave' being used :-( |
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| 10:41.39 | pdr | gardening leave? |
| 10:41.55 | Leeds | as in what you get when they're giving you notice but don't want you working during it |
| 10:41.56 | pdr | and why so sucky? |
| 10:42.20 | pdr | oh, i see |
| 10:42.24 | pdr | that's not so good |
| 10:42.27 | Leeds | well, being laid off is pretty sucky, in many ways |
| 10:43.04 | Leeds | particularly when it comes 2 months before you were planning to leave anyway |
| 10:43.31 | pdr | hmm.. well at least you have probably made plans for an exit strategy then? |
| 10:48.21 | Leeds | yes, although it was based on having a little more time |
| 10:51.26 | pdr | hey Cope |
| 11:24.12 | Leeds | ho hum... |
| 11:24.39 | Leeds | my mum points out, quite correctly, that a company-funded trip to Linuxworld, while looking for a new job, might not be the worst thing in the world in terms of networking |
| 11:27.54 | wethrin | hello |
| 11:27.59 | Leeds | morning wethrin |
| 11:28.06 | wethrin | Who's getting gardening leave? |
| 11:28.42 | Leeds | me |
| 11:28.53 | wethrin | Shit :( |
| 11:29.06 | wethrin | Sorry to hear that |
| 11:29.12 | Leeds | thanks |
| 11:30.32 | wethrin | So you're now going to get some pay for sitting at home and jobhunting? |
| 11:30.36 | pdr | Leeds: indeed, have you had much of a chance to network? |
| 11:30.45 | pdr | morning wethrin |
| 11:31.29 | Leeds | pdr: not yet - yesterday was setup and conference at the show, so I didn't talk to many people - the show floor opens this morning |
| 11:31.40 | wethrin | more ning pdr |
| 11:31.53 | wethrin | So, Leeds will start work in the US? :) |
| 11:31.53 | pdr | less ning please |
| 11:32.04 | Leeds | I don't have one here, but I might see if I can get a CV knocked up in the hotel to hand out |
| 11:32.13 | wethrin | but ning is good! |
| 11:32.46 | wethrin | Get someone to pay for you to write Solaris binary compatibility for Linux :) |
| 11:34.10 | Leeds | nah, been there, done that |
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| 11:35.39 | wethrin | Hm |
| 11:35.48 | wethrin | Do you still want to work on OS stuff? |
| 11:35.57 | Leeds | not especially |
| 11:36.02 | wethrin | Oh |
| 11:36.09 | Leeds | if nothing else, there aren't that many places left to do so :-) |
| 11:36.10 | wethrin | Go and do a PhD :) |
| 11:36.22 | wethrin | IBM, HP, umm.... |
| 11:36.26 | wethrin | Microsoft :) |
| 11:36.34 | Leeds | I wouldn't go to HP - seems like a deadend |
| 11:36.40 | wethrin | Carly's gone |
| 11:36.42 | wethrin | It might live |
| 11:37.02 | Leeds | oh, the company might live, but I can't see OS work being a great long-term prospect there |
| 11:37.55 | wethrin | Apparently there's some rumours of porting VMS to other architectures |
| 11:38.34 | Leeds | doesn't sound like fun to me |
| 11:38.40 | wethrin | Bah |
| 11:38.45 | wethrin | Go be an academic |
| 11:38.59 | Leeds | I have considered it |
| 11:39.24 | wethrin | All you need is a tweed jacket |
| 11:39.27 | Leeds | one of the things my Dad always wanted me to look into was computer law... it seems a lot more attractive now that it did a few years ago, but would require some retraining |
| 11:39.46 | wethrin | Then you can claim that Sun owns Linux? :-) |
| 11:40.02 | Leeds | Is sending an SMS in telegram style ("Layoffs @ Sun STOP Now on holiday STOP...") silly? |
| 11:40.19 | Leeds | nope, I can claim that Sun stole their linux compat from SCO - which is somewhat true |
| 11:40.20 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 11:40.25 | wethrin | And therefore should be done. |
| 11:42.26 | Leeds | :-) |
| 11:50.23 | Leeds | Cope: thanks :-) |
| 11:50.52 | Cope | Do you want a job with MCI ^h^h^h Verizon? |
| 11:51.10 | Leeds | dunno... are there jobs going? |
| 11:51.27 | Cope | I just spent a year being harmonised into MCI - now I have another year of the same! |
| 11:51.53 | Cope | Leeds: in the US yes - lots, in the UK - yes, but not that you would want. |
| 11:52.05 | Leeds | hmm.... |
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| 12:07.21 | Leeds | oops, closed wrong window :-) |
| 12:07.56 | wethrin | ha! |
| 12:07.56 | wethrin | :-P |
| 12:13.17 | mozrat | ibot lart oversized DNS packets, Windows 2003 and Cisco IOS 6.3 |
| 12:13.53 | eye69 | Recommend a GUI MP3 player besides XMMS and gmplayer. XMMS has borked caching (playing from Samba over a VPN) so it's choppy. It works with (g)mplayer but that player sucks. |
| 12:14.13 | mozrat | vlc? |
| 12:14.25 | wethrin | Leeds: www.emergencycvgenerator.com :) |
| 12:14.38 | wethrin | iTunes |
| 12:14.52 | wethrin | KDE player, whatever it is |
| 12:14.57 | Leeds | rhythmbox? |
| 12:15.21 | Leeds | freevo |
| 12:15.41 | Leeds | pymp3/pyogg |
| 12:15.51 | eye69 | I basically want something that can add dirs recursively in the playlist. |
| 12:15.53 | Cope | how wide is an a4 page in pixels, assuming 300 dpi - ie how wide do I need to make a graphic to make it fill a printed a4 page? |
| 12:16.18 | mozrat | |<----------------------------->| |
| 12:16.23 | mozrat | (not to scale) |
| 12:16.27 | Cope | lol |
| 12:16.27 | eye69 | mozrat: :) |
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| 12:16.52 | morsing | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56384&item=3873701518&rd=1 |
| 12:16.56 | Leeds | A4 is "roughly 8.27?11.69 in" according to wikipedia - do the maths |
| 12:17.10 | SlayerXP | it's easy to work out |
| 12:17.15 | eye69 | And it's 210 x 297 mm |
| 12:17.25 | eye69 | Hey morsing. |
| 12:17.28 | Leeds | eye69: but he gave his resolution in inches :-) |
| 12:17.54 | Cope | well that's what I did and came up with 2450 pixels, which seems rather big |
| 12:18.27 | SlayerXP | (8.268 * 300) by (11.693 * 300) |
| 12:18.54 | eye69 | Leeds: Fair enough. :) |
| 12:19.15 | Leeds | Cope: 300dpi is a pretty fine resolution - much finer than most monitors, say |
| 12:19.26 | SlayerXP | or 2478 x 3508 |
| 12:19.41 | Cope | ibot 8.27 * 72 |
| 12:19.42 | ibot | 595.44 |
| 12:19.45 | wethrin | gimp takes dpi from the monitor, I think |
| 12:20.06 | Leeds | 72dpi to 100dpi is normal for monitors |
| 12:20.29 | SlayerXP | dpi only makes sense for output, not display |
| 12:20.45 | Leeds | SlayerXP: how so? |
| 12:21.04 | SlayerXP | because your screen's true dpi depends on your resolution |
| 12:21.13 | Leeds | oh, right, but you still have a dpi |
| 12:21.31 | wethrin | The grille itself will have a certain number of holes per inch |
| 12:21.31 | SlayerXP | 1600 x 1200 has a higher DPI than 1280x1024 |
| 12:21.46 | Leeds | SlayerXP: depends on the monitor, of course |
| 12:21.49 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 12:22.20 | Leeds | but you do have a dpi, and it should be calculated for you |
| 12:23.14 | Leeds | given that whatever the monitor-metadata protocol is called includes screen size |
| 12:24.02 | SlayerXP | it's moot anyway, ignore your screen and scale according to your output target |
| 12:24.11 | Leeds | yes |
| 12:24.11 | morsing | Hi eye69 |
| 12:24.29 | Leeds | obstacles per inch? |
| 12:24.37 | SlayerXP | Open Prepress Interface |
| 12:24.42 | mozrat | Alcoholics Anonymous? |
| 12:24.43 | Leeds | okay... |
| 12:24.59 | SlayerXP | Automobile Association |
| 12:25.00 | Leeds | Automobiles Anonymous |
| 12:25.03 | mozrat | okay... |
| 12:25.10 | Leeds | "My name is Richard, and I can't stop watching Top Gear" |
| 12:25.22 | SlayerXP | part of the image managemewnt system I buitl for them |
| 12:26.13 | SlayerXP | been the Fanum House? |
| 12:26.15 | SlayerXP | been to |
| 12:26.19 | SlayerXP | what is wrong with my typing today? |
| 12:26.20 | Leeds | Cope: ah, so it's all your fault when they can't help because "their systems are down"? :-) |
| 12:26.26 | Cope | in basingstoke? |
| 12:26.29 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 12:26.43 | SlayerXP | spent many a miserable hour there |
| 12:26.48 | Cope | Leeds: yes - blame me/ |
| 12:27.25 | Cope | actually blame their mapping application - which eats cpu regardless of what hardware you throw at it. |
| 12:27.39 | Leeds | Cope: to be fair, they were quite good about that sort of thing when I was calling them a couple of weeks ago |
| 12:27.56 | SlayerXP | the Compaq kit I literally built from components is still there and running |
| 12:28.17 | SlayerXP | that was back in the days when you bought proliant kit, and it came in one box per component |
| 12:28.28 | wethrin | When Proliants were rock-solid? |
| 12:28.31 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 12:29.06 | Cope | They now have rather a lot of sun kit in our datacenter. |
| 12:29.20 | Leeds | bastards |
| 12:29.24 | Leeds | it's all crap! |
| 12:29.25 | wethrin | I have a compaq server at home; not sure if it's a Proliant or a Prosignia, though |
| 12:29.50 | Leeds | :-) |
| 12:29.58 | wethrin | Indeed. It's crap; give it to me :) |
| 12:30.21 | wethrin | 30/70 |
| 12:30.38 | Cope | go with the 80/20 rule |
| 12:30.50 | Leeds | what, 80% of everything is crap? |
| 12:31.01 | Leeds | certainly true for Solaris |
| 12:31.05 | Leeds | </bitch> |
| 12:31.27 | wethrin | :-) |
| 12:31.40 | Leeds | and don't get me started on SPARC |
| 12:31.50 | Leeds | Cope: nah, not really... |
| 12:33.11 | Cope | I'll takes some - help it be harder for them to find! |
| 12:33.38 | SlayerXP | sparc kit is great, it's a fine example of why people buy opterons instead. |
| 12:33.41 | Leeds | dumb thing to do |
| 12:33.55 | Leeds | SlayerXP: indeed... and to be fair, the Sun-branded Opteron kit is good kit |
| 12:34.08 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 12:34.17 | Leeds | it does still feel strange seeing the Sun logo come up before a PC BIOS though |
| 12:35.04 | SlayerXP | i.e. something that doesn't cost over 5 grand and gives you slightly more processing power than a brick |
| 12:35.36 | SlayerXP | bricks have silicon in too, you know |
| 12:35.47 | morsing | Like a #700 Sparc Sun Fire V100? |
| 12:36.03 | SlayerXP | i've used those |
| 12:36.06 | SlayerXP | utter crap |
| 12:36.12 | morsing | They're quite good |
| 12:36.22 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Give them to me, then. I'll give them a good home |
| 12:36.41 | morsing | I don't understand anyone who prefer/defend PCs... |
| 12:36.43 | SlayerXP | they're plastic nonsense |
| 12:37.15 | SlayerXP | your average dell 400 quid desktop will vastly outperform one |
| 12:37.17 | morsing | wethrin: Are you going to vaporise them? |
| 12:37.21 | Leeds | morsing: they're crap, but they're fast/cheap crap |
| 12:37.24 | wethrin | morsing: No. A good home |
| 12:37.30 | wethrin | PCs are for evaporating |
| 12:38.50 | SlayerXP | as I keep saying, go price up a sparc-based box that'll keep pace with my dual opteron |
| 12:39.12 | wethrin | There are many other considerations; not just processor speed |
| 12:39.28 | SlayerXP | that's true, I didn't mention the 4 channel raid controller |
| 12:39.32 | wethrin | For pure number-crunching, sure, your dual opteron will beat |
| 12:39.35 | Leeds | I think the fact is that PCs have caught up with a exceeded all but the most expensive 'enterprise' boxen |
| 12:39.35 | wethrin | Heh |
| 12:39.37 | SlayerXP | wanted to keep it under 10k :) |
| 12:40.00 | wethrin | For something that hammers the disk, a nice Sun Enterprise would do the job :) |
| 12:40.03 | SlayerXP | how much is 2gb of ram for a sparc these days? |
| 12:40.13 | wethrin | Depends on the sort of sparc :) |
| 12:40.19 | SlayerXP | let's have a shufty |
| 12:40.24 | Cope | not much - normal kingston ram works fine |
| 12:40.37 | Leeds | Cope: and we'd still support you? |
| 12:40.55 | Leeds | make that "they" |
| 12:42.58 | Cope | we don't need your support! the kingston ram is better. |
| 12:42.58 | wethrin | Leeds: So one pulls out the RAM beforehand |
| 12:42.58 | Leeds | wethrin: yes, yes, I know |
| 12:42.58 | SlayerXP | 2gb of ram for a sun fire 880 is 711ukp |
| 12:42.58 | SlayerXP | that's from crucial |
| 12:42.58 | Leeds | eh, shower time... |
| 12:42.58 | wethrin | YOU SMELL |
| 12:42.58 | wethrin | Err |
| 12:42.58 | Leeds | true |
| 12:43.15 | Leeds | but I have stress-related excuses |
| 12:43.22 | wethrin | Mm |
| 12:44.00 | SlayerXP | then I have meat feast pizza happiness |
| 12:44.29 | wethrin | Lucky git |
| 12:44.34 | wethrin | People here don't want to go to a pub lunch |
| 12:44.44 | SlayerXP | ...with you :) |
| 12:44.44 | wethrin | But, there is some free stuff provided today in the breakroom |
| 12:44.52 | wethrin | Well, foo on you too :-P |
| 12:52.44 | morsing | What does "More tea, Vicar?" mean? |
| 12:57.39 | Leeds | morsing: it means you're offering further hot beverage to a clergyman |
| 12:57.54 | morsing | Ahh... Why is that funny? |
| 12:58.10 | Leeds | no idea :-) |
| 12:59.25 | SlayerXP | it refers to "taking tea with the parson" |
| 12:59.55 | SlayerXP | which is a euphemism for forbidden sexual acts, often quoted by Robert Rankin in his books |
| 13:04.30 | Cope | AUP breaches? |
| 13:04.59 | mozrat | Seriously if there are that many every 4 seconds of the working day thats a lot of porno |
| 13:05.09 | Leeds | right, breakfast time... back later |
| 13:05.20 | Leeds | I think... deluxe buffet today :-) |
| 13:05.41 | SlayerXP | <abrocadabro> Hi, how do I configure exim to send emails to external domains, e.g hotmail? |
| 13:05.45 | mozrat | why not :) |
| 13:09.11 | George | mozrat: such as...? |
| 13:18.47 | SlayerXP | <J_1> people, what is advantage use ext2 with journaling(-j option) and not real ext3 ? |
| 13:27.48 | wethrin | Umm |
| 13:27.56 | wethrin | Oh dear |
| 13:28.12 | wethrin | Unless there have been further developments with ext3 itself that I haven't been aware of? |
| 13:31.31 | mozrat | George, huh?? |
| 13:31.55 | mozrat | oh the URLs?? You wouldn't want to know |
| 13:32.14 | wethrin | mozrat: I think he wants to visit those sites |
| 13:33.00 | mozrat | I think so... |
| 13:33.56 | wethrin | mmm |
| 13:34.03 | wethrin | I think you should talk to his head teachers |
| 13:37.54 | George | mozrat: ok |
| 13:38.05 | George | wethrin: foodom! |
| 13:39.09 | wethrin | No, fosdem |
| 13:39.19 | Leeds | argh, fosdem |
| 13:39.45 | Leeds | I have train tickets on my desk in Watford... dunno about hotel.. |
| 13:40.02 | wethrin | Leeds: Youth Hostel? |
| 13:40.21 | Leeds | not yet - I am still assuming I get to expense it, since it's been approved... naive, maybe |
| 13:40.29 | Leeds | I'll find out by Monday |
| 13:40.32 | wethrin | Mm |
| 13:40.53 | Leeds | this trip is certainly covered - they could hardly refuse to pay me for it :-) |
| 13:40.56 | wethrin | Heh |
| 13:41.12 | Leeds | well, they could, but they'd suffer |
| 13:41.20 | wethrin | mmm |
| 13:45.17 | George | suffer what? |
| 13:45.22 | George | an angry leeds? |
| 13:45.34 | wethrin | Yes |
| 13:45.41 | George | pah |
| 13:45.42 | George | that's nothing |
| 13:46.04 | Leeds | the wrath of my family |
| 13:46.16 | Leeds | and their awesome legal skillz |
| 13:46.51 | Leeds | George: you've never seen me really angry - it rarely happens nowadays |
| 13:46.55 | wethrin | ph33r the l33dz' family sk1llz |
| 13:47.05 | Leeds | lol |
| 13:47.10 | George | Leeds: hah |
| 13:47.32 | George | Leeds: I can imagine you being an angry dickhead actually. |
| 13:48.04 | Leeds | indeed |
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| 13:49.06 | Leeds | morning harkness |
| 13:49.21 | harkness | Hello Leeds |
| 13:49.41 | harkness | Quick break for lunch for me - I am giving training on rpm today. |
| 13:50.10 | SlayerXP | harkness: "RPM and why you should be using Debian instead." |
| 13:50.11 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 13:50.25 | wethrin | Oh dear. There's weather outisde again |
| 13:50.36 | Leeds | it's just nasty and grey here |
| 13:50.55 | Cope | its bright ans sunny here! |
| 13:51.06 | wethrin | Cope: Swap places! |
| 13:51.20 | harkness | SlayerXP: Red Hat would not like that very much - and I have already covered yum, apt deb etc. |
| 13:51.55 | Leeds | don't suppose anyone has jon masters' mobile number? |
| 13:52.02 | wethrin | Yes |
| 13:52.12 | wethrin | Other than being on his website in lots of places.... |
| 13:52.13 | Leeds | can I have it please? :-) |
| 13:52.17 | Leeds | oh, really? |
| 13:52.36 | wethrin | pm |
| 13:52.55 | wethrin | Is he supposed to be there with you? |
| 13:52.58 | Leeds | yes |
| 13:53.34 | wethrin | Ah |
| 13:54.25 | Leeds | you say supposed to like you think he isn't? |
| 13:55.06 | wethrin | I never know where he's supposed to be. Pretty much anywhere in the world at a given time |
| 13:55.10 | Leeds | heh |
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| 13:58.57 | wethrin | it's bruce! |
| 13:59.07 | morsing | Welcome |
| 14:02.26 | SlayerXP | http://www.subservientblair.com/ |
| 14:02.32 | SlayerXP | that's quite good |
| 14:02.36 | morsing | Why? |
| 14:03.35 | SlayerXP | because I think so, obviously |
| 14:06.36 | wethrin | Heh. Van Gogh Youth Hostel doesn't want people over 35 staying |
| 14:08.55 | morsing | So I can't stay? |
| 14:09.05 | wethrin | Meh |
| 14:09.48 | wethrin | how old are you? :) |
| 14:10.10 | morsing | 37 |
| 14:10.12 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 14:10.17 | wethrin | Well, I'm sure they won't mind |
| 14:10.26 | morsing | I've got fake ID though |
| 14:10.35 | wethrin | Which says you're how old? |
| 14:10.40 | SlayerXP | 65 |
| 14:10.40 | morsing | 29 |
| 14:10.49 | SlayerXP | he wanted his buspass |
| 14:10.49 | wethrin | That'll do :) |
| 14:10.50 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 14:10.53 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:11.13 | wethrin | morsing is clearly Old :-P |
| 14:11.28 | morsing | Mmm... Now where did I leave my teeth?!? |
| 14:11.57 | Leeds | mmm... teeth |
| 14:12.13 | Leeds | morsing: I wouldn't have guessed as old as 37 |
| 14:12.18 | wethrin | morsing: accommodation booked |
| 14:12.30 | wethrin | No - I'd have thought about 29ish |
| 14:13.01 | Leeds | wethrin: nah, he's obviously more than a year older than me - I'd have thought maybe 32 |
| 14:13.06 | Leeds | he's old and Danish... |
| 14:13.17 | wethrin | bye! |
| 14:15.44 | eye69 | morsing: Are you 37? |
| 14:16.09 | itsbruce | Let's not go all Logan's Run about it |
| 14:19.09 | SlayerXP | logan's run was cool |
| 14:19.19 | SlayerXP | with those silly teleporter things |
| 14:19.38 | itsbruce | The film or the TV series? |
| 14:19.58 | itsbruce | I don't recall teleporters in Logan's Run at all, either way. |
| 14:21.29 | itsbruce | Nor in the book, but I'm assuming that's not the context in question |
| 14:22.03 | SlayerXP | I seem to recall these white things that they jumped on to get around |
| 14:22.07 | SlayerXP | maybe that was just one episode |
| 14:22.13 | SlayerXP | was was quite young at the time |
| 14:22.33 | SlayerXP | i.e. about 4 |
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| 15:29.35 | SlayerXP | http://www.europe.redhat.com/news/article/270.html |
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| 15:32.48 | pdr | gah, what a busy day... |
| 15:43.49 | pdr | nooooo! don't do it! they could be valuable! ;-) |
| 15:45.29 | pdr | but we'll be having a big tidy up on the weekend |
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| 15:51.05 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 15:51.14 | mozrat | hey Bob |
| 15:51.18 | George | foo |
| 15:52.52 | BobtheAvenger | i got a test machine |
| 15:53.10 | BobtheAvenger | which means debian is jus a new hd away |
| 15:54.07 | Leeds | cool |
| 15:54.51 | BobtheAvenger | i would install, debian now but its bigger than the hd capacity |
| 15:55.06 | George | what's the hdd? |
| 15:55.13 | BobtheAvenger | hard drive |
| 15:55.18 | Leeds | lol |
| 15:55.21 | George | ... |
| 15:55.28 | George | what size is it then |
| 15:55.31 | Leeds | I think he meant to ask how big it was :-) |
| 15:55.37 | BobtheAvenger | heh ok |
| 15:55.43 | BobtheAvenger | about 1/2Gb |
| 15:55.51 | BobtheAvenger | but is got win95 on |
| 15:55.51 | Leeds | ooh, tiny |
| 15:55.55 | George | that's enough :) |
| 15:56.24 | George | hrmm, actually |
| 15:56.29 | BobtheAvenger | i tried and thats what it complained about |
| 15:56.29 | George | my server's using 817MB on / |
| 15:56.34 | George | and that doesn't even have X11 |
| 15:56.44 | George | 817MB used out of 120GB :) |
| 15:56.45 | itsbruce | You can fit Debian into tens of megabytes, if you install the bare minimum. That includes ssh. |
| 15:56.53 | George | itsbruce: yeah |
| 15:57.03 | George | BobtheAvenger: I take it the machine is a Pentium 1 of some sort then? |
| 15:57.08 | BobtheAvenger | well tell that to the machine |
| 15:57.11 | George | or a 486? |
| 15:57.16 | BobtheAvenger | George pentium 2 |
| 15:57.24 | Leeds | all I want is a simple business card vending machine |
| 15:57.30 | George | hrmm, even my pentium 1 back in '96 had a 1.6GB disk drive |
| 15:57.34 | George | in fact, I still have that disk drive |
| 15:57.46 | itsbruce | The main hassle with installing debian or slackware on little, older machines is memory, not diskspace |
| 15:58.07 | BobtheAvenger | yer the bios is throwing a temper |
| 15:58.38 | BobtheAvenger | it wont go to D:\ |
| 15:58.48 | BobtheAvenger | but it goes to A:\ ok |
| 15:59.08 | George | ...? |
| 15:59.41 | BobtheAvenger | the bios wont boot from D, only A and C at the moment |
| 15:59.59 | George | older bioses didn't |
| 16:00.16 | BobtheAvenger | so i tried using M$ to run the .bat |
| 16:00.22 | BobtheAvenger | and it ranout of space |
| 16:00.24 | George | I don't think bioses from that generation would have been capable of booting from a CD drive |
| 16:00.30 | George | BobtheAvenger: get a boot floppy |
| 16:01.10 | BobtheAvenger | how, do i jus transfer the files to A? |
| 16:03.39 | BobtheAvenger | hello?any help? |
| 16:05.07 | wethrin | hm? |
| 16:05.22 | highbury | us another computer |
| 16:05.28 | highbury | s/us/&e |
| 16:05.35 | wethrin | hi highbury |
| 16:05.47 | BobtheAvenger | can i just tranfer the install files from D to A? |
| 16:05.53 | highbury | hi wethrin |
| 16:06.12 | highbury | BobtheAvenger: do you have a running OS on the machine? |
| 16:06.32 | BobtheAvenger | yer my test machine currently has win95 |
| 16:06.43 | wethrin | rawrite? |
| 16:07.02 | BobtheAvenger | so i write them as an image, like for bochs |
| 16:08.17 | Leeds | someone tell me if I'm asking for something crazy: 100 or so business cards, plain text supplied by me, in, say, less than 24 hours |
| 16:08.52 | BobtheAvenger | no |
| 16:08.57 | wethrin | No |
| 16:09.05 | Leeds | no what? no that's not crazy? |
| 16:09.07 | wethrin | There are automatic business card machines around that can do it in about 10 minutes |
| 16:09.09 | SlayerXP | nope, take it along to kiwkprint |
| 16:09.28 | Leeds | wethrin: PRECISELY - now tell me where to find one in Boston - people have never even heard of it |
| 16:09.41 | wethrin | Oh |
| 16:09.57 | BobtheAvenger | check a yellow pages |
| 16:10.00 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I've been to 3 copy shops and 2 business centers - they either looked at me blankly, or asked me to come back with a design on disk for printing overnight |
| 16:10.04 | highbury | find a xerox shop |
| 16:10.21 | Leeds | when I say "less than 24 hours" I really mean "today" - it's only 1110 here |
| 16:10.21 | BobtheAvenger | which files show i write to A? |
| 16:10.30 | highbury | buy a printer, and card stock, and print your own |
| 16:10.36 | Leeds | highbury: it's tempting |
| 16:10.58 | highbury | BobtheAvenger: the .img files |
| 16:11.04 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 16:11.06 | BobtheAvenger | 1 sec |
| 16:11.13 | highbury | rtfm |
| 16:11.17 | SlayerXP | why o why are NTL so utterly useless? |
| 16:11.22 | George | Leeds: why do you want a business card dispenser? |
| 16:11.39 | Leeds | George: um... to make business cards? :-) to hand them out at the show |
| 16:11.45 | George | show? |
| 16:12.01 | George | Leeds: where the hell are you!??! |
| 16:12.09 | George | Leeds: you're in boston aren't you you little sod? |
| 16:12.11 | Leeds | um... Boston |
| 16:12.26 | Leeds | hence my asking if there was anyone here who'd want to join me laughing at you |
| 16:12.36 | Leeds | oh, and I bumped into Nasrat - he said hi |
| 16:12.48 | George | to who? |
| 16:12.53 | Leeds | generally |
| 16:12.57 | George | oh |
| 16:14.58 | BobtheAvenger | tftpboot.img? |
| 16:15.18 | BobtheAvenger | is that all i need to copy to floppy? |
| 16:15.48 | Leeds | I doubt it |
| 16:15.56 | BobtheAvenger | what else? |
| 16:16.12 | Leeds | I don't know, but that doesn't sound right |
| 16:16.37 | BobtheAvenger | yer but thats all the .imgs there are |
| 16:16.53 | Leeds | itsbruce is the man to help you, or SlayerXP |
| 16:16.59 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 16:17.21 | BobtheAvenger | i gotta run now so i'll shout when i get back |
| 16:17.29 | SlayerXP | hmm? |
| 16:17.33 | BobtheAvenger | peace |
| 16:17.54 | Leeds | seeya |
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| 16:19.08 | morsing | Yikes... DBAs approaching |
| 16:19.28 | wethrin | RUN! |
| 16:19.35 | wethrin | morsing: I don't think the YHA will ask for ID |
| 16:20.52 | SlayerXP | did I mention http://www.europe.redhat.com/news/article/270.html ? |
| 16:21.16 | evangineer | yes, you did |
| 16:21.20 | SlayerXP | just checking |
| 16:21.26 | Leeds | why would you? |
| 16:21.39 | SlayerXP | my infantile sense of humour was tickled by it |
| 16:21.53 | Leeds | ah, the name, yes |
| 16:22.16 | wethrin | The name? |
| 16:22.16 | SlayerXP | very Mo's Tavern |
| 16:22.16 | wethrin | ah |
| 16:22.25 | George | why does he always say "peace"? |
| 16:22.47 | Leeds | George: he's cool, unlike you |
| 16:22.47 | evangineer | what's I find interesting about it is that rh intend to make a big push on suse's home turf |
| 16:23.06 | George | Leeds: so? |
| 16:23.28 | evangineer | Leeds, sorry to read about your layoff |
| 16:23.38 | Leeds | evangineer: thanks |
| 16:23.49 | SlayerXP | " Gibbering, Elementary Oddity, Resource for Greed and Emptiness" |
| 16:24.10 | wethrin | I agree with the first 3, anyway :) |
| 16:24.23 | SlayerXP | let's try leeds |
| 16:24.37 | SlayerXP | "Limp, Elementary Egghead, Defines Stewing" |
| 16:24.47 | Leeds | thanks |
| 16:25.25 | SlayerXP | "Stupid, Lolligagging Ass, Yelling for Excrement and Rubbish" |
| 16:25.25 | Leeds | argh, this business card thing is annoying me |
| 16:26.29 | evangineer | I can imagine, I've used vending machines that can produce business cards in 5 minutes. |
| 16:26.41 | Leeds | evangineer: exactly - but I need to find one! |
| 16:27.03 | evangineer | try an office supplies shop |
| 16:27.14 | highbury | ask a Marketing droid |
| 16:27.14 | evangineer | staples or equivalent thereof |
| 16:27.18 | Leeds | staples is the only one which comes to mind |
| 16:27.28 | highbury | Press Office of show |
| 16:27.38 | Leeds | the alternative is to hop a bus or tube up to the business district... |
| 16:27.42 | Leeds | highbury: good thought |
| 16:27.48 | evangineer | perhaps a Kinko's |
| 16:28.10 | Leeds | evangineer: tried there - they said "bring us a disk and we'll have them sometime tomorrow" |
| 16:28.56 | Leeds | right, lets call staples |
| 16:29.55 | highbury | dymo printer and blank cards |
| 16:30.30 | Leeds | possibly |
| 16:31.06 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:31.23 | highbury | then you always have a convenient way to print off customised card. Their the size of a mouse, and usb driven |
| 16:31.49 | highbury | s/card/label |
| 16:33.07 | Leeds | staples had no idea what I was talking about |
| 16:33.25 | Leeds | bloody yanks |
| 16:33.31 | evangineer | indeed |
| 16:33.39 | Leeds | I just want a simple vending machine |
| 16:34.21 | evangineer | no such thing as rymans in the us? |
| 16:34.29 | Leeds | doubt it |
| 16:34.53 | evangineer | what about mail boxes etc? |
| 16:34.58 | wethrin | Tell them you're a POWERFUL CEO of a major company |
| 16:35.05 | wethrin | In fact, tell them you're Bill Gates |
| 16:35.39 | Leeds | I don't know how generic it is, but the business center in the hotel is run by mailboxes etc. AFAIK and they couldn't help me |
| 16:35.48 | [Jango] | anyone know a Paul Childs? |
| 16:35.55 | wethrin | The name is familiar |
| 16:36.00 | Leeds | indeed |
| 16:36.15 | [Jango] | do you think it's a common name? |
| 16:36.29 | wethrin | Not horribly uncommon |
| 16:37.15 | [Jango] | hmm, just come across documentation with his name on at work, and i thought it sounded familiar too... :/ |
| 16:37.18 | morsing | I've heard of Peter Childs... |
| 16:37.26 | Leeds | morsing: that'll be it |
| 16:37.36 | [Jango] | was he the one that everyone was moaning about the other day? |
| 16:37.43 | morsing | No |
| 16:37.48 | morsing | Or was he? |
| 16:37.56 | [Jango] | i think he was |
| 16:37.57 | morsing | Why would we moan about anything? |
| 16:38.04 | [Jango] | that's probably why i thought the name was familiar |
| 16:38.05 | morsing | What did he do? |
| 16:38.06 | [Jango] | i dunno :) |
| 16:38.08 | [Jango] | you tell me |
| 16:38.18 | morsing | We never moan |
| 16:38.28 | [Jango] | of course not... |
| 16:38.30 | morsing | Damn DBAs!" |
| 16:38.33 | SlayerXP | peter was spreading debian FUD late last week |
| 16:38.37 | morsing | And developers |
| 16:38.38 | morsing | ! |
| 16:38.47 | wethrin | DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS |
| 16:38.58 | Leeds | I LOVE THIS COMPANY |
| 16:39.04 | morsing | Debian is rubbish |
| 16:39.14 | morsing | Leeds spreads FUD about Debian too! |
| 16:39.20 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:39.26 | Leeds | morsing: proudly |
| 16:39.29 | morsing | :-D |
| 16:46.47 | Leeds | ah-ha - I have progress |
| 16:47.02 | Leeds | mail boxes etc said they know somewhere which has the vending machine |
| 16:47.46 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 16:47.49 | Leeds | but, amazingly, there doesn't appear to be one in boston! |
| 16:48.18 | Leeds | argh |
| 16:48.21 | Leeds | for fucks sake |
| 16:48.37 | wethrin | ah |
| 16:48.39 | wethrin | gah |
| 16:48.53 | Leeds | so why did he suggest I go there, when I called a store in central boston? |
| 16:49.44 | morsing | milk |
| 16:49.54 | Leeds | honey |
| 16:50.27 | morsing | Mmm... beer |
| 16:55.08 | Leeds | maybe I should just try to find a transport hub on the basis that that's where you'd find one in the UK :-) |
| 16:55.18 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 16:55.27 | wethrin | But public transport in the US? |
| 16:55.49 | Leeds | it's very popular in Boston |
| 16:56.03 | Leeds | ooh... I have a thought... huge city library one block away |
| 16:58.55 | wethrin | have fun |
| 17:00.48 | Leeds | yup, I'm enjoying walking here... |
| 17:00.59 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:01.26 | highbury | leeds must be walking round in very small circles |
| 17:05.48 | rhowe | evangineer: Oooh, let me take a look :) |
| 17:06.05 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 17:06.20 | rhowe | heya Dan |
| 17:06.27 | wethrin | print it out, and wrap it in a condom. Then throw it at someone |
| 17:06.28 | rhowe | wethrin: Found us somewhere to live yet? |
| 17:06.30 | wethrin | Yes |
| 17:06.39 | rhowe | Good. How much and where |
| 17:06.42 | wethrin | Although it's a room of four, and one person in another room |
| 17:06.46 | wethrin | Um |
| 17:06.59 | wethrin | 16EUR |
| 17:07.01 | wethrin | per night |
| 17:07.04 | wethrin | inc. breakfast |
| 17:07.14 | rhowe | Sounds good |
| 17:07.48 | wethrin | Yes. If you can get me the money in EUR, that'd be most appreciated :) |
| 17:09.13 | evangineer | rhowe, you are so lagged! |
| 17:09.50 | rhowe | evangineer: heh, it's called work :) |
| 17:09.55 | wethrin | pah |
| 17:09.58 | rhowe | wethrin: I think that can be arranged |
| 17:10.02 | wethrin | excellent |
| 17:12.34 | morsing | wethrin: Have you tried putting beer in your tube? |
| 17:16.24 | wethrin | No |
| 17:16.33 | wethrin | In fact, I have no beer to go with food tonight. Never mind |
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| 17:46.13 | mz2 | i've just learnt that leaving your keys on your desk and going to the campus is not a good idea |
| 17:47.27 | mz2 | it makes coming back home a bit of a hassle |
| 17:51.33 | evangineer | Leeds: what else would you like to do besides kernel hacking? |
| 17:54.22 | Leeds | evangineer: I've done very little kernel hacking, really |
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| 17:56.12 | evangineer | Leeds, so the stuff you've done has been in userspace? |
| 17:56.22 | Leeds | I've done some kernel, but mostly userspace |
| 17:56.38 | Leeds | to be honest, I'm leaning towards something pythonic |
| 17:56.52 | evangineer | like? |
| 17:57.05 | Leeds | dunno, but it won't be kernel-related if it's pythonic :-) |
| 17:57.15 | evangineer | hmm |
| 17:57.37 | evangineer | might be a good time to check out what activegrid are doing |
| 17:57.40 | Leeds | I'm not sure what I want to do yet - I'd planned on having a little more time to decide |
| 17:58.32 | evangineer | in fact activegrid are at LinuxWorld! http://www.activegrid.com/news/events.php |
| 17:58.49 | evangineer | they recently had some VC |
| 17:59.09 | Leeds | I just looked, and they're not on the exhibitor list |
| 17:59.21 | evangineer | really? |
| 17:59.35 | rhowe | evangineer: Generated by that tool you pointed me at |
| 17:59.50 | Leeds | unless it's either under another name, or on someone else's stall |
| 17:59.56 | evangineer | Leeds, "Look for the ActiveGrid in the MySQL partner exhibit area (booth #1021)." |
| 17:59.59 | Leeds | yeah |
| 18:00.03 | Leeds | just saw that :-) |
| 18:00.19 | Leeds | anyway, my immediate plan is to go out and get some lunch... |
| 18:00.32 | evangineer | food is an excellent idea |
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| 18:04.18 | rhowe | that kinda sucks |
| 18:05.39 | rhowe | hm, inkscape's still loading |
| 18:05.40 | rhowe | That's 9 minutes so far :) |
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| 18:06.01 | rhowe | Leeds: Are you still funded for FOSDEM? |
| 18:06.15 | Leeds | rhowe: interesting question - I don't know |
| 18:06.32 | Leeds | I'm assuming the travel is funded, as the tickets are sitting on my desk, but the hotel is a maybe |
| 18:07.14 | rhowe | Well tickets are a start |
| 18:07.39 | Leeds | indeed |
| 18:08.24 | rhowe | Bad luck on the job front, although reading your lastlog, your mum does have a point |
| 18:08.40 | Leeds | certainly |
| 18:09.03 | rhowe | hm, inkscape's had 11mins of CPU time and it still hasn't opened this SVG :) |
| 18:09.17 | Leeds | my plan for today is to head uptown for some lunch, come back, get some business cards, go to the show and distribute them... |
| 18:09.30 | rhowe | I think I'll leave it going and see if it's opened it by the morning |
| 18:09.38 | Leeds | tomorrow, some time at the show - and lots of sight-seeing :-) |
| 18:10.03 | rhowe | Well yes, you still have a whole Boston to see |
| 18:10.56 | Leeds | I want to do a habour cruise, but I'm not sure they do them in winter - it's a traditional thing for me - I've done habour (river/canal) cruises all over the place :-) |
| 18:11.18 | rhowe | heh, I was going to do one in Singapore, but decided not to bother |
| 18:11.30 | rhowe | In HK the Star ferry is a must though - best and cheapest way across the harbour |
| 18:11.37 | Leeds | I didn't do an official one in .hk but I went over on the ferry a few times :-) |
| 18:11.44 | Leeds | stop making my point while I'm typing it! |
| 18:11.55 | rhowe | haha |
| 18:12.09 | Leeds | it's an obvious point... |
| 18:12.13 | rhowe | Yes, it is |
| 18:12.18 | rhowe | I like the star ferry. |
| 18:12.23 | Leeds | indeed |
| 18:12.35 | Leeds | I even paid extra to sit upstairs - something like 20p rather than 15p |
| 18:12.59 | rhowe | I did it once, then realised it wasn't really worth it and did all the other trips downstairs :) |
| 18:13.12 | rhowe | Mostly I went on it to actually get somewhere, rather than sightsee |
| 18:13.19 | rhowe | I'm not one for sightseeing much |
| 18:13.31 | rhowe | Anyway, I might just be able to get to Sainsbury's and get the 1834 train, so I'm off |
| 18:13.41 | Leeds | seeya |
| 18:13.56 | rhowe | Enjoy Boston |
| 18:14.03 | Leeds | yes sir! |
| 18:14.13 | rhowe | Beef up that (last|penultimate) expenses claim! |
| 18:14.29 | Leeds | that's the plan :-) |
| 18:16.02 | Leeds | hmm... already got one person giving out a non-work email address... |
| 18:40.46 | evangineer | master foo explains xml to aliens http://open.itworld.com/4934/nls_ebizmasterfoo050215/page_1.html |
| 18:59.54 | evangineer | sco has been dissed by the judge in their lawsuit against ibm http://open.itworld.com/4912/050210scojudge/page_1.html |
| 19:01.45 | evangineer | the judge has effectively marked sco's card |
| 19:16.09 | Cope | what does 'marked sco's card' mean? |
| 19:20.34 | evangineer | basically, warned them that if they don't get their act together, he's going to make them regret it. |
| 19:21.36 | Cope | ah! |
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| 20:37.01 | Leeds | so, my plan is to do 10,000 paces per day... yesterday, I did over 23,000 and today, so far (and it's only mid-afternoon) I've done almost 19,000 |
| 20:42.05 | gregj | paces ? |
| 20:42.16 | stephen | steps |
| 20:42.20 | gregj | oh |
| 20:43.00 | gregj | but I am not counting steps |
| 20:43.08 | gregj | maybe I should start to |
| 20:44.16 | Leeds | you only really need to count if you think you're not doing enough - it's a feedback thing |
| 20:47.48 | evangineer | Leeds, got business cards sorted? |
| 20:48.06 | Leeds | yup... cost a fortune, and they're not great quality, but they're done |
| 20:48.32 | Leeds | complete with a plausible, but otherwise never-used, email address so I can track responses :-) |
| 20:48.48 | evangineer | going to check out activegrid? |
| 20:49.04 | Leeds | yup |
| 20:49.45 | Leeds | I was going to head back to the show about now - it's open until 5 (so another hour or so) but the California version of the layoff meeting is at 4 Boston time, so I think I'm going to stick here and call in for it |
| 21:04.30 | evangineer | so is Sun's strategy that the OpenSolaris "community" will fill the vacuum left by the dissolution of the companion cd team? |
| 21:06.48 | Leeds | the 'action' today is significantly greater that just the ccd team |
| 21:08.07 | Leeds | but a cynical person might say that if you replace "dissolution of the ccd" with "weakening of the Solaris" you may be correct |
| 21:10.19 | evangineer | hmm |
| 21:10.28 | evangineer | I'm confused |
| 21:11.29 | evangineer | I thought the idea was that Sun was basically going to have OpenSolaris engage in a death match with Linux on the x86 plaform |
| 21:12.05 | gregj | yes |
| 21:12.10 | evangineer | the rhetoric from the likes of Schwartz has essentially been Solaris uber alles |
| 21:12.11 | gregj | but their PR ppl are telling something different |
| 21:12.23 | gregj | or maybe they did not have the money to support it anymroe |
| 21:13.32 | Leeds | evangineer: I asked, in a conference call right now, what it meant for the ccd - the manager taking the call said he didn't know, and someone else suggested associating it with opensolaris and thereby picking up volunteer effort :-) |
| 21:14.15 | evangineer | well there has been a long standing sunfreeware effort |
| 21:14.45 | evangineer | which had at least some overlap with ccd |
| 21:14.48 | Leeds | indeed there has |
| 21:15.18 | Leeds | we've worked with him on and off over the years on various things |
| 21:16.14 | Leeds | ooh, Dell 24inch LCD coming in March for $1199 |
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| 21:25.26 | Leeds | hmm... shall I bother going back to the show today, or just leave it until tomorrow? |
| 21:27.10 | *** join/#gllug BobtheAvenger (Bob@host213-122-151-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:27.18 | Leeds | evening BobtheAvenger |
| 21:27.26 | BobtheAvenger | hey Leeds |
| 21:27.53 | BobtheAvenger | itsbruce, SlayerXP??? |
| 21:28.36 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 21:28.46 | BobtheAvenger | how are you Leeds? |
| 21:28.52 | Leeds | strange |
| 21:29.08 | BobtheAvenger | good strange or bad strage? |
| 21:29.12 | Leeds | in a strange mood, that is |
| 21:29.18 | Leeds | bit of both |
| 21:29.27 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 21:29.32 | Leeds | you? |
| 21:29.51 | BobtheAvenger | well i hope the bad strange goes away |
| 21:29.57 | Leeds | unlikely |
| 21:30.09 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 21:30.12 | Leeds | well, not in the near future, anyway |
| 21:30.22 | BobtheAvenger | well i hope you get used to the bad strange bit |
| 21:30.27 | Leeds | since it's caused by losing my job this morning... |
| 21:30.41 | BobtheAvenger | ouch |
| 21:30.52 | Leeds | 2 months early and all! |
| 21:31.05 | BobtheAvenger | but you get serverance pay? |
| 21:31.10 | Leeds | yup |
| 21:31.43 | BobtheAvenger | was it a contract? |
| 21:31.48 | Leeds | dunno how much yet - I'm a little out of touch, being in the US... |
| 21:32.24 | Leeds | it doesn't actually take effect for a couple of months... |
| 21:32.32 | Leeds | and no, I'm a permanent employee |
| 21:32.40 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 21:33.03 | BobtheAvenger | well i hope you get a new, better, job soon |
| 21:33.26 | Leeds | cheers |
| 21:33.34 | BobtheAvenger | no problem |
| 21:34.24 | BobtheAvenger | so are you stuck in boston? |
| 21:34.30 | George | Leeds: you dare leave england and I'll kick your foo |
| 21:34.55 | Leeds | George: yeah, like you'll come to Israel just for my foo |
| 21:35.09 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: I'm here until Thursday - I'm quite enjoying the trip now :-) |
| 21:35.16 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 21:35.33 | BobtheAvenger | what was/is it? |
| 21:36.16 | Leeds | I'm here to work on the Sun stand at one of the two annual US Linux trade shows |
| 21:36.24 | George | Leeds: dude, I will *soo* come to Israel just for your foo |
| 21:36.36 | Leeds | http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3465 |
| 21:36.45 | Leeds | George: yeah, you and whose army? |
| 21:36.57 | George | Leeds: The US Army. </familyguy> |
| 21:37.13 | Leeds | well, I'll have the Israeli Army on my side... |
| 21:37.18 | stephen | George: that's quite a bold statement from someone who, only a few short days ago, confessed that he barely had enough money for a tube fare. |
| 21:37.42 | BobtheAvenger | i have enough money to get me to coventry almost |
| 21:37.58 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: we could send you there if you like |
| 21:38.18 | BobtheAvenger | erm how about Redditch |
| 21:38.39 | Leeds | radish? |
| 21:38.48 | BobtheAvenger | i only need another £5 |
| 21:39.00 | Leeds | 5 radishes? |
| 21:39.03 | George | stephen: I can't afford a tube fare :) |
| 21:39.23 | stephen | better shelve the plans for world domination then, eh? :) |
| 21:39.25 | Leeds | so shall I try to go see the Blue Man Group this evening? |
| 21:39.40 | BobtheAvenger | serves you right for spending £900 on moniters |
| 21:40.11 | George | Leeds is a witness to the fact that I'm poor :( |
| 21:40.22 | BobtheAvenger | i'm a witness |
| 21:40.26 | Leeds | am I? I know you're cheap... |
| 21:40.41 | George | what makes you say I'm cheap? |
| 21:41.15 | BobtheAvenger | the cheapness |
| 21:41.22 | Leeds | yeah, pretty much the cheapness |
| 21:42.37 | George | bah, I'm not cheap |
| 21:43.02 | BobtheAvenger | dont make sheep noises at me, the cheapness proves it |
| 21:43.27 | George | hrmm. |
| 21:43.28 | George | anyway. |
| 21:43.49 | Leeds | how about priceless? |
| 21:44.01 | Leeds | which I just managed to type as pricless |
| 21:44.06 | Leeds | when I meant to say worthless |
| 21:44.24 | George | Leeds: :P |
| 21:46.53 | BobtheAvenger | any one want to donate £5 to the get Bob out of London fund |
| 21:47.28 | BobtheAvenger | ? |
| 21:48.48 | BobtheAvenger | ok no |
| 21:49.26 | George | BobtheAvenger: why? |
| 21:49.48 | BobtheAvenger | do i need a reason? |
| 21:49.53 | George | anyone want to donate money to the Get George To The KDE Conference 2005 In Malaga, Spain Fund? |
| 21:50.27 | BobtheAvenger | no because there is more of an incentive to get me away from here than there is for you |
| 21:50.58 | Leeds | eh, malaga's pretty cheap |
| 21:51.21 | BobtheAvenger | but i only need £5 more ish |
| 21:51.30 | George | Leeds: 120 quid return I think |
| 21:51.38 | Leeds | nonsense |
| 21:51.39 | BobtheAvenger | £20 return |
| 21:51.54 | Leeds | George: when is it? |
| 21:51.57 | George | Leeds: august |
| 21:52.07 | George | Leeds: dates haven't been published yet, but that's when the KDE cons always are |
| 21:52.17 | Leeds | ah! well, if you will hold it in a holiday region at the peak of the season |
| 21:52.20 | BobtheAvenger | wht its £20 return to Redditch |
| 21:53.17 | George | Leeds: hopefully it'll be cheaper than aKademy though |
| 21:53.23 | George | Leeds: aKademy cost me a good 600 quid |
| 21:53.28 | Leeds | ugh |
| 21:53.52 | George | ugh? |
| 21:54.00 | Leeds | that's a lot of money |
| 21:54.05 | BobtheAvenger | so just £5 to get me out of here |
| 21:54.35 | George | Leeds: yeah |
| 21:54.54 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: it's not going to happen, mate ;-) |
| 21:55.05 | Eeyore | I find it slightly annoying that i way prefer gnome but a lot of stuff seems to work better/faster in kde. |
| 21:55.05 | George | Leeds: 200 quid for the flight to Stuttgart... then another 150 quid for accomodation.. the rest was food and merchandise :) |
| 21:55.21 | Leeds | merchandise - where all the real money from the conference is made! |
| 21:55.52 | Leeds | there's not even anything good on at the cinema at the moment |
| 21:56.01 | George | heh |
| 21:56.05 | Eeyore | what is oceans 12 like? |
| 21:56.10 | Eeyore | sounds like it might be pants |
| 21:56.30 | Leeds | Eeyore: I've heard varying comments - but it's already come and gone here |
| 21:56.58 | Eeyore | 6.1/10 |
| 21:57.01 | Eeyore | could be worse |
| 21:57.09 | Leeds | could be a lot better |
| 21:57.12 | Eeyore | heh |
| 21:57.14 | Eeyore | well yeah |
| 21:57.29 | Eeyore | so could my life, but I still put up with it. |
| 21:57.55 | BobtheAvenger | thats what everyone thinks |
| 21:57.55 | Leeds | mine could be worse, but only in really serious ways |
| 21:58.20 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: is that at me or Eeyore ? |
| 21:58.52 | BobtheAvenger | Eeyore, everyone thinks that their life could be better |
| 22:00.22 | BobtheAvenger | i gotta get some sleep tonite |
| 22:00.31 | Leeds | me too |
| 22:01.00 | BobtheAvenger | i spent the early to middle part of the day chasing my 3 and 1 yr old cousins about shops |
| 22:02.08 | BobtheAvenger | so tiring |
| 22:03.13 | BobtheAvenger | and i need to find out which files for debian should got on the floppy |
| 22:09.43 | Eeyore | well, most peoples lives could be better |
| 22:10.40 | BobtheAvenger | yes, but if you think to hard about how good your life could be you forget how good your life is |
| 22:14.15 | BobtheAvenger | peace |
| 22:14.20 | *** part/#gllug BobtheAvenger (Bob@host213-122-151-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:14.23 | Leeds | seeya |
| 22:17.03 | Eeyore | The man speaks some truth |
| 22:19.19 | Leeds | to some extent... |
| 22:22.37 | Leeds | hmm... I think I'll go to Harvard, but I have this nagging feeling it's a daytime thing not an evening thing |
| 22:27.25 | SlayerXP | who wanted me? |
| 22:27.34 | SlayerXP | this window went blue |
| 22:27.38 | Leeds | SlayerXP: bobtheavenger did - wanted debian install advice |
| 22:28.01 | Leeds | he's trying to install on a crappy old machine - 500MB hard drive and no bootable CD |
| 22:28.03 | SlayerXP | oh right |
| 22:28.08 | SlayerXP | "yes", is my advice |
| 22:28.22 | Leeds | he wanted help making a boot floppy |
| 22:28.29 | SlayerXP | drop a pxe capable network card in instead |
| 22:28.40 | Leeds | he doesn't have supplies |
| 22:29.09 | SlayerXP | trapped or a desert island with only a high-bandwidth satellite connection to the outside world? |
| 22:29.14 | SlayerXP | on a |
| 22:29.28 | Leeds | he doesn't have spares, or money for new kit |
| 22:29.44 | Leeds | otherwise I'm sure he wouldn't be trying to install on such a crappy machine |
| 22:29.57 | Leeds | he will, of course, complain that Linux is slow... |
| 22:30.25 | SlayerXP | installing debian without high volume media and no network connection is pointless. |
| 22:30.48 | George | blah |
| 22:31.17 | Leeds | well, feel free to completely put him off when/if he returns |
| 22:32.11 | evangineer | SlayerXP, you're right he should install slackware which can manage without those things and will perform reasonably well on older kit. |
| 22:32.40 | SlayerXP | well, about twelve floppies would get him a base install |
| 22:33.12 | SlayerXP | evangineer: oh, do tell, how do you install kde with no cd and no network? |
| 22:33.28 | Leeds | I didn't say no CD - I said no bootable CD |
| 22:33.36 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 22:33.39 | evangineer | SlayerXP, he doesn't have bootable CD not no cd at all |
| 22:33.44 | SlayerXP | missed that |
| 22:33.59 | Leeds | anyway, I'm off to Harvard... |
| 22:34.05 | Leeds | see y'all later |
| 22:34.12 | evangineer | Leeds, |
| 22:34.27 | evangineer | did you speak to the activegrid folks |
| 22:34.39 | Leeds | no - I didn't go back to the show... I'll go tomorrow |
| 22:34.45 | evangineer | 'k |
| 22:34.54 | evangineer | enjoy Harvard |
| 22:35.43 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 22:35.52 | SlayerXP | I just got an electric shock, from my cat |
| 22:36.38 | SlayerXP | i should fit her with an earthing strap |
| 22:36.54 | eye69 | I'm sure she'll like that. |
| 22:37.21 | SlayerXP | my cats don't wear collars, it could be a surprise |