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| 08:43.36 | mozrat | moin moin |
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| 08:54.53 | morsing | morning |
| 08:55.04 | mozrat | hi morsing Leeds |
| 08:55.12 | mozrat | how was lonix last night? |
| 08:55.22 | morsing | Good and expensive :-) |
| 08:55.29 | mozrat | heh |
| 08:56.01 | mozrat | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4163975.stm |
| 09:01.18 | Leeds | foo! |
| 09:03.03 | mozrat | Whats the FSF's stance on defensive patenting like Red Hat have done... do they still grumble about that? |
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| 09:53.25 | Marios_ | goodmorning ! |
| 09:53.56 | mozrat | Good Morning-thing |
| 09:55.57 | morsing | Has anyone here run Debian on an IBM iSeries 1160 laptop? |
| 09:56.42 | morsing | Can the pointer get to work? |
| 09:58.34 | mozrat | are you using /dev/psaux in the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 09:58.45 | morsing | No, ttyS0 |
| 09:58.55 | mozrat | I haven't got that exact IBM laptop, but I was using a thinkpad very recently |
| 09:59.01 | morsing | What ype's it supposed to be? |
| 09:59.02 | mozrat | until I dropped it :( |
| 09:59.10 | morsing | type |
| 09:59.15 | mozrat | I would try /dev/psaux as the device |
| 09:59.22 | mozrat | and PS/2 as the protocol |
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| 10:20.19 | morsing | Only thing is now we need to set the resolution. |
| 10:20.49 | mozrat_ | did that work morsing?? I had to reboot |
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| 10:34.52 | rdancer | morgen! |
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| 10:52.03 | mozrat | Anyone feeling ethical today? Someone that is feeling ethical and drinks coffee? |
| 10:52.45 | mozrat | Costa Coffee have dropped the price of their fair trade coffee to match the price of their other non-fair brands |
| 10:53.19 | mozrat | however servers aren't allowed to make that offer obvious and ask the question over the counter "Fair trade is the same price, would you like that?" |
| 10:53.22 | mozrat | http://www.i-together.net/weaverluke/2005/01/fair-trade.html |
| 10:53.43 | mozrat | plan is to email Costa and allow their staff to ask that question... seems very half assed to me |
| 11:09.17 | morsing | mozrat: Yes - thanks |
| 11:09.29 | mozrat | morsing: oh cool! |
| 11:10.21 | morsing | mozrat: It made the external mouse work, not the clit |
| 11:10.35 | morsing | Or whatever it's proper name is... |
| 11:10.42 | Leeds | nipple? |
| 11:11.00 | morsing | Ohh... Is that the proper name? In Denmark it's a clit |
| 11:11.04 | mozrat | Mmmmm, nipples |
| 11:11.07 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 11:12.22 | Leeds | there may be a more official English name, but I've always liked nipple |
| 11:12.46 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.33 | Leeds | "With great power comes great responsibility." |
| 11:15.38 | Leeds | from the initial message when you run sudo for the first time :-) |
| 11:19.50 | mozrat | If anyone wants to email ref Costa Coffee (above) clair.beer at whitbread.com seems to be the lady to poke |
| 11:22.12 | morsing | I don't understand the problem? |
| 11:22.50 | SlayerXP | hmmm, what's everyone's choice of wysiwyg web page editor these days? |
| 11:23.01 | SlayerXP | i find myself in need of writing a web page |
| 11:23.33 | Leeds | wysiwyg? |
| 11:23.54 | SlayerXP | yes, well done, you have mastered basic repition |
| 11:24.01 | SlayerXP | repitition |
| 11:24.09 | Leeds | morsing: the problem is that they're not pushing the anti-corporate option - they're leaving it up to customers to ask for it - not much of a suprise, since they probably have much lower margins on it |
| 11:24.13 | mozrat | morsing: the costa problem? |
| 11:24.18 | Leeds | SlayerXP: and you've failed to master basic spelling :-P |
| 11:24.27 | SlayerXP | repetition |
| 11:24.29 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 11:24.56 | mozrat | I think Costa have made a big step in dropping the price, but now allowing their staff to at least make that option obvious is half assed |
| 11:25.07 | morsing | Leeds: OK |
| 11:25.22 | mozrat | s/now/not |
| 11:35.31 | SlayerXP | <jhaig> How can I install CPAN? 'apt-get install cpan' couldn't find it. |
| 11:38.38 | morsing | Tell him to use wget :-) |
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| 12:38.39 | murray | I'm having a puzzling ssh issue (used to work - not aware what has changed...), wondering if anyone might have an idea? |
| 12:38.44 | murray | ssh murray@remote.com works, logs me in using a .ssh pub/private key and leaves me in a shell on remote.com |
| 12:38.51 | murray | telnet localhost 110 (whilst ssh'd into remote.com) gives me the QPopper prompt |
| 12:38.54 | murray | ssh murray@remote.com cat /some/test.txt works |
| 12:38.59 | murray | ssh -f murray@remote.com -L 11110:remote.com:110 sleep 200 appears to work |
| 12:39.07 | murray | telnet localhost 11110 appears to connect, getting as far as |
| 12:39.10 | murray | Connected to localmachine ... Escape character is ... |
| 12:39.16 | murray | then returns channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 12:39.36 | murray | nothing showing in /var/log/messages on remote.com |
| 12:39.39 | murray | any ideas? |
| 12:41.01 | murray | ah-ha. auth.log shows "Could not reverse map address my.ip.addy" |
| 12:41.28 | murray | hmm, but then "Accepted publickey for murray from .." |
| 12:54.05 | Leeds | for what it's worth, I'd use -L 11110:localhost:1100 in the ssh line |
| 12:54.27 | murray | and re-configure QPopper to use port 1100 ? |
| 12:54.52 | murray | oh, localhost... |
| 12:54.54 | Leeds | uh, no |
| 12:55.01 | Leeds | sorry - yes, I meant the hostname, not the port |
| 12:56.22 | murray | bingo. ta. |
| 12:56.45 | murray | still puzzled - this used to work until ~3 days ago. not knowingly changed anything ssh related. |
| 12:57.10 | murray | hmm: wondering if routing has changed on remote.com and hence firewall is behaving differently. weird. |
| 12:57.11 | murray | thanks :) |
| 12:57.45 | Leeds | pleasure |
| 12:58.13 | Leeds | this can actually have a different effect in some cases - there are things which behave differently on local ports against remote ones - vnc, for example |
| 13:03.52 | Marios_ | Leeds: how was it last night ? |
| 13:04.28 | Leeds | Marios_: okay - not too busy |
| 13:04.52 | Marios_ | I couldn't make it...my student came late so we finished 10:15pm |
| 13:05.00 | Marios_ | it was too late to come down in London |
| 13:05.15 | Leeds | yeah |
| 13:05.38 | Marios_ | hopefully i will come in the gllug meeting |
| 13:07.18 | mozrat | def. not |
| 13:07.42 | Leeds | in in the Queen song |
| 13:08.29 | Marios_ | mozrat: good job |
| 13:08.59 | mozrat | It's also known as pony tail chasing |
| 13:09.54 | Marios_ | hahhahaaaha |
| 13:16.04 | murray | thanks again Leeds - mail now flooding in like it was from carlise |
| 13:28.22 | mozrat | Can I ask a serious question. Was anyone here actually offended, or knows of anyone actually offended by Prince Harry going to a fancy dress party as a World War 2 German soldier?? |
| 13:29.03 | Leeds | I'm a little offended |
| 13:29.13 | morsing | I am |
| 13:29.25 | mozrat | Even though you see 'allo 'allo... the great escape and other things on TV everydat |
| 13:29.29 | mozrat | day* |
| 13:29.33 | Marios_ | he is a public figure...he shouldn't have done it |
| 13:29.45 | morsing | I agree. It's very different |
| 13:29.48 | Leeds | if only he'd waited a couple of weeks, he could have timed it to coincide with the UK Holocaust day |
| 13:30.06 | morsing | That would have been fun |
| 13:30.48 | mozrat | Marios_: would it be different if he weren't a public figure? Surely it's what he was wearing not who he is |
| 13:31.24 | Marios_ | well if I go in a friend's party next door with that outfit nobody will be offended... |
| 13:31.24 | mozrat | I find all extremism deeply offensive, believe me..... but we don't see an outrage when Nazis are depicted on TV or in film |
| 13:31.45 | Marios_ | but Prince Harry is very different |
| 13:31.50 | mozrat | why? |
| 13:32.23 | Leeds | if nothing else, it's the difference between acting the part of a Nazi - and they're usually portrayed as evil, or at best corrupt and incompetent - and wearing the clothes for fun |
| 13:32.33 | Marios_ | cause he is the third in line for the throne |
| 13:33.31 | mozrat | Leeds: That is true, but he was at a fancy dress party. They are attending dressed in a role. He wasn't wearing it kicking around Buck Palace. That I would find offensive |
| 13:33.38 | Marios_ | it would be the same thing even if was Tony's son or whatever public figure |
| 13:33.51 | Leeds | mozrat: he was wearing it for fun - he wasn't acting as a Nazi in a performance |
| 13:34.05 | mozrat | I think he has been very foolish to do it.... no doubt |
| 13:34.23 | mozrat | Leeds, fair point |
| 13:34.38 | Marios_ | there are some things you can make fun of them even in a fun party |
| 13:35.24 | mozrat | Marios_: but there is an accepted culture of making fun of the Nazi image.... look at 'allo 'allo |
| 13:35.34 | mozrat | look at the Fawlty Towers skit |
| 13:35.37 | Leeds | hmm... I thought marketing stuff was all meant to be opt-in by now, not opt-out |
| 13:35.54 | Leeds | mozrat: the fawlty towers skit - although very funny - is now considered to be in rather bad taste |
| 13:36.27 | Leeds | particularly since the German == Nazi thing is long past being in any way true |
| 13:36.28 | mozrat | Leeds, really? |
| 13:36.35 | Marios_ | mozrat: yes but those are actors...not a prince |
| 13:36.38 | SlayerXP | yes, we have native nazis now |
| 13:36.42 | SlayerXP | don't need german ones |
| 13:36.51 | Leeds | SlayerXP: we had native Nazis in the 30s |
| 13:38.26 | Leeds | and I would imagine they'd have more trouble making 'Allo 'Allo now than they did then - it did show quite a long time ago |
| 13:39.34 | mozrat | Leeds, yeah. But it's interesting now how UK culture has evolved to make things that were acceptable 40 or 50 years after the event not acceptable 60 years after the event |
| 13:39.52 | Leeds | I think it's more that making fun of Germans is no longer as acceptable as it way |
| 13:39.53 | Leeds | was |
| 13:40.14 | mozrat | Plus there was the awful 'Uncle Aldof' drama on ITV this month... there wasn't a "Nazi drama on ITV channel" headline there |
| 13:40.22 | mozrat | that was shit by the way |
| 13:40.28 | Leeds | I didn't hear about that |
| 13:40.40 | mozrat | It was crap... all the actors spoke with London accents |
| 13:41.42 | Leeds | anyway, the point is that Harry *wasn't* taking part in a performance in which he acted as a Nazi - he was wearing it as a matter of choice, for fun |
| 13:42.29 | mozrat | yeah, that's true... |
| 13:44.08 | Leeds | I wouldn't have a problem with his wearing a swastika on stage, as long as it wasn't in a performance glorifying nazism |
| 13:44.08 | Marios_ | maybe is important the fact that one day Prince Harry will be on the throne |
| 13:44.52 | mozrat | But I can't help but think that if he "were" by some chance acting the part in the play and some images surfaced you would see the exact same headlines and response. My problem with it is that tabloid newspapers are now accustomed to *making* the news rather than *reporting* it. |
| 13:45.08 | mozrat | It isn't appropiate certainly |
| 13:45.47 | mozrat | and his "advisors" need firing.. they must have known he was going as that |
| 13:46.06 | mozrat | unless he wandered into a fancy dress shop on his own |
| 13:46.08 | Leeds | morsing: I can't speak for the papers - I can speak for myself |
| 13:46.23 | mozrat | laomao: Yep |
| 13:46.37 | Leeds | morsing: huh? |
| 13:46.48 | mozrat | laomao: Stop calling me morsing |
| 13:47.03 | Leeds | fscking xchat! |
| 13:47.08 | mozrat | ha ha |
| 13:47.12 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:47.29 | Leeds | see, the first time was an honest mistake there :-) |
| 13:47.52 | mozrat | I thought you were on the windup again :) |
| 13:48.39 | Leeds | nope |
| 13:48.56 | Leeds | I didn't even notice I'd done it until after I did it the second time - which was on purpose |
| 13:49.06 | Leeds | I thought *you* were winding *me* up :-) |
| 13:49.13 | mozrat | :P |
| 13:49.16 | Leeds | and it's really going to confuse laomao if she sees it :-) |
| 13:49.30 | mozrat | yeah, I did wonder that |
| 13:49.37 | mozrat | laomao: IGNORE EVERYTHING |
| 13:49.50 | wethrin | (except that, which told you to ignore it) |
| 13:50.09 | mozrat | laomao: READ THE LINE ABOVE FIRST |
| 13:52.18 | mozrat | Is anyone going to the consume.net talk on the 18th? |
| 13:53.11 | mozrat | http://lists.consume.net/pipermail/consume-thenet/2005-January/008843.html |
| 13:57.19 | morsing | Can anyone come up with a command that sort a string alphabetically? |
| 13:57.33 | SlayerXP | how do you mean? |
| 13:57.44 | morsing | OK put these into alphabetical order in under 10 seconds |
| 13:57.44 | morsing | asdfjashfweoruihwefhsdcnadlfkjaeriopfjfiaerfirjfarifjofercvbcbmnbfiojef |
| 13:57.54 | morsing | Task giving to me! |
| 13:57.58 | morsing | given |
| 13:58.18 | SlayerXP | sec. |
| 14:00.22 | SlayerXP | i have something that does exactly that |
| 14:00.31 | SlayerXP | it does more than you want but I'm sure you can trim |
| 14:00.36 | morsing | Good :-) |
| 14:00.38 | SlayerXP | email addy? |
| 14:00.48 | morsing | henrik@morsing.cc |
| 14:01.19 | SlayerXP | sent from a non-replyable address |
| 14:01.31 | morsing | Good to be paranoid |
| 14:01.50 | SlayerXP | lazy in this case |
| 14:08.01 | morsing | How do I read from stdin? |
| 14:08.41 | SlayerXP | echo "foo" | command |
| 14:08.54 | morsing | open IN,"<"? |
| 14:08.56 | SlayerXP | or in perl while(<>){} |
| 14:09.38 | morsing | Hmm... Your script does nothing?! |
| 14:10.00 | SlayerXP | funny, it odes exactly what I want it to |
| 14:10.10 | SlayerXP | part of which is to sort words |
| 14:11.13 | SlayerXP | postel:~/perl# echo "kjshdflkjashdf" | ./sowenc2.pl |
| 14:11.13 | SlayerXP | rep for a is 1 |
| 14:11.13 | SlayerXP | rep for d is 2 |
| 14:11.13 | SlayerXP | rep for f is 2 |
| 14:11.13 | SlayerXP | rep for h is 2 |
| 14:11.15 | SlayerXP | rep for j is 2 |
| 14:11.17 | SlayerXP | rep for k is 2 |
| 14:11.19 | SlayerXP | rep for l is 1 |
| 14:11.21 | SlayerXP | rep for s is 2 |
| 14:11.23 | SlayerXP | kjshdflkjashdf, addffhhjjkklss |
| 14:12.27 | SlayerXP | asdfjashfweoruihwefhsdcnadlfkjaeriopfjfiaerfirjfarifjofercvbcbmnbfiojef, aaaaaabbbcccdddeeeeeeffffffffffffhhhiiiiiijjjjjjklmnnooooprrrrrrsssuvww |
| 14:12.27 | morsing | $ echo "fadhg" | sort |
| 14:12.27 | morsing | fadhg |
| 14:12.31 | SlayerXP | for your example above |
| 14:12.54 | SlayerXP | sort is an a unix binary |
| 14:12.59 | SlayerXP | is a |
| 14:13.03 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 14:13.08 | SlayerXP | fool :) |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | $ echo "fadhg" | ./sort.pl |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | rep for a is 1 |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | rep for d is 1 |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | rep for f is 1 |
| 14:13.36 | morsing | rep for g is 1 |
| 14:13.38 | morsing | rep for h is 1 |
| 14:13.41 | morsing | fadhg, adfgh |
| 14:13.43 | morsing | Nice :-) |
| 14:20.51 | mozrat | Practical Extraction and Report Language |
| 14:21.00 | mozrat | Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister |
| 14:41.32 | Leeds | a particular site, that is - I have found it |
| 14:53.37 | morsing | Leeds: Here is one: http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/ |
| 14:54.19 | Leeds | morsing: so why would I want to go there then? |
| 14:55.55 | morsing | To help the arts? |
| 14:56.09 | Leeds | as opposed, say, to just helping the arts? |
| 14:56.29 | morsing | To increase your chances of becoming a millionaire? |
| 14:56.33 | Leeds | is there a "I don't want to buy a ticket, I just want to make a 100% donation" button? |
| 14:56.49 | morsing | I'll make one. Wait a sec |
| 14:56.58 | Leeds | increase by a tiny amount, maybe |
| 14:57.28 | Leeds | anyway, I have premium bonds - much better return there, I think |
| 14:57.38 | Leeds | since you can't lose your 'investment' |
| 14:57.55 | morsing | What's the return? |
| 14:58.33 | Leeds | about 3% I think |
| 15:07.14 | Leeds | hmm... http://www.foss2005.org looks like an interesting event :-) |
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| 16:21.28 | morsing | Welcome bacck |
| 16:24.10 | SlayerXP | someone tell me their postcode |
| 16:24.16 | morsing | HP19 8JE |
| 16:24.33 | SlayerXP | sec. |
| 16:25.46 | SlayerXP | places close to you include: Pishill, Crotch Crescent, Golden Balls, Tyttenhanger, Bishops Itchington and Titty Ho |
| 16:27.31 | morsing | What?!? |
| 16:28.11 | SlayerXP | http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?coordsys=gb&X=472500&Y=189500&client=public&scale=25000&place=Pishill&GridE=472500&GridN=189500 |
| 16:29.11 | morsing | That's nowhere near where I live! How long did it take you to programme that crap? |
| 16:29.44 | SlayerXP | 16.4 miles |
| 16:29.49 | SlayerXP | pretty close |
| 16:32.15 | morsing | No... |
| 16:57.56 | Leeds | anyone got any good suggestions for home ADSL without silly usage limits? |
| 17:04.25 | mozrat | I don't think my BR line has any limits.. but the downside is that it's BT |
| 17:04.30 | mozrat | s/BR/BT |
| 17:06.28 | Leeds | for 27 quid a month I'd bloody hope so |
| 17:06.57 | Leeds | or maybe not |
| 17:08.05 | Leeds | see, I think that the 1GB a month limit on their bottom-end package is really dumb |
| 17:10.22 | Leeds | I really scared my cousin's wife, while trying to persaude her to sign up for ADSL, by telling her that if she hit the limit on freeserve (wanadoo, which I was looking at at the time) she wouldn't be able to use the web until the next month |
| 17:11.19 | mozrat | hee hee |
| 17:12.15 | Leeds | I would say UKFSN would be a good bet - 21.50 quid a month, no hardware, no limits - if it weren't for the high sign-up fee... also designed to scare off potential customers |
| 17:13.51 | Leeds | freeserve was a good bet as they're using them for dial-up, and are quite attached to their fsnet.co.uk email address, unfortunately |
| 17:14.00 | mozrat | Leeds.. http://www.gizmodo.com/images/bizzaro_ipod.mov << WHAT DOES IT MEAN???? |
| 17:14.30 | George | right, now that I've got this blasted driver to work in SuSE 9.2, I can try it in Gentoo. |
| 17:17.10 | Leeds | mozrat: I have no idea and no sane way to play .mov files right now |
| 17:18.05 | mozrat | Ahhh.. it's just a very bizarre Apple mac comedy skit |
| 17:19.21 | Leeds | so, no other suggestions apart from BT? |
| 17:28.08 | mozrat | I bet £5 on drivers knocking George out in under 10 seconds |
| 17:38.19 | George | I win. |
| 17:38.26 | George | damn drivers now work. |
| 17:41.43 | George | oops, it's crashed |
| 17:42.06 | mozrat | ding-ding.. the winner by knockout is...... drivers! |
| 17:42.11 | George | no, not yet |
| 17:43.49 | mozrat | 'Drivers' looks the hungrier of the two fighters... George on the other hand looks rather well fed |
| 17:50.39 | George | these drivers are rather unstable |
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| 18:38.53 | BobtheAvenger | hey all |
| 18:40.32 | George | hi |
| 18:40.53 | BobtheAvenger | hey George |
| 18:43.13 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 18:53.31 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 18:53.43 | BobtheAvenger | take a blow torch to them |
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| 18:59.06 | BobtheAvenger | hey Leeds |
| 18:59.22 | Leeds | hey |
| 18:59.29 | Marios_ | hello Leeds |
| 19:00.20 | Leeds | evening Marios_ |
| 19:00.39 | BobtheAvenger | evening? |
| 19:01.08 | Marios_ | it is evening isn't ? |
| 19:01.25 | Leeds | and very cold it is too |
| 19:01.51 | BobtheAvenger | roll on summer |
| 19:02.08 | Leeds | indeed, although I'm not currently looking forward to this summer very much |
| 19:02.17 | Marios_ | why not ? |
| 19:02.17 | BobtheAvenger | why? |
| 19:03.05 | Leeds | the whole work thing |
| 19:03.21 | BobtheAvenger | no work for me |
| 19:03.24 | Leeds | I really need to make my mind up what the hell I want to do with my life |
| 19:03.31 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: no work for me either - that's the point! |
| 19:03.41 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:03.52 | Marios_ | i thought the sun shines in your life ;) |
| 19:03.55 | BobtheAvenger | did you post on the bbc forum? |
| 19:04.13 | Leeds | only until the summer - then the sun is moving south/west and I'm not going with |
| 19:04.16 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: huh? |
| 19:04.22 | BobtheAvenger | dont worry |
| 19:04.28 | Leeds | bbc forum? |
| 19:04.33 | Marios_ | ohh I didn't know that |
| 19:04.49 | Marios_ | why are they moving ? |
| 19:05.02 | Leeds | Fedora User and Developer Conference: FUDcon :-) |
| 19:05.18 | Leeds | Marios_: I've told you this!!!! they're closing my office down |
| 19:05.38 | BobtheAvenger | What do you do? |
| 19:06.02 | Marios_ | this is the first time you told me that thing :) |
| 19:06.13 | Marios_ | how far from London ? |
| 19:06.46 | Leeds | Marios_: I've told you many times - why did you think I was considering emigrating? |
| 19:06.47 | BobtheAvenger | What is your job? |
| 19:07.01 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: recently, I do very little... but I'm a coder/developer/software engineer |
| 19:07.10 | Marios_ | Leeds: I thought the reason was you like Israel |
| 19:07.13 | BobtheAvenger | Which languages? |
| 19:07.16 | Leeds | Marios_: that too |
| 19:07.21 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: C, shell, python |
| 19:07.48 | BobtheAvenger | theres got to be tonnes of jobs involving those skills |
| 19:08.01 | Leeds | sure there are |
| 19:08.20 | BobtheAvenger | so whats the real problem, send out your CV |
| 19:08.46 | Marios_ | Leeds: I have kinda the same problem...a second interview for Guildford, Surrey |
| 19:08.50 | Marios_ | but it is too far |
| 19:08.57 | Leeds | yes, it is |
| 19:09.06 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: um... it's not that easy |
| 19:09.15 | BobtheAvenger | ok cwhats so hard? |
| 19:09.56 | Leeds | when's the last time you looked for a new full-time job? |
| 19:10.10 | BobtheAvenger | erm not recently |
| 19:10.16 | Leeds | right... |
| 19:10.49 | Leeds | frankly, the last (and only!) 2 times I've done it, it was pretty easy... but I know many many people who've had many many problems |
| 19:11.18 | BobtheAvenger | Yer, me too, but if things are that bad it cant do any harm |
| 19:11.21 | Leeds | plus - and this is really the bigger deal - I've got a bunch of other issues to deal with, and the pending lack-of-job is an chance to do that, but it's going to be hard to deal with |
| 19:11.34 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:11.43 | Marios_ | depends what you want |
| 19:12.00 | Marios_ | but with your skills you can get job in London very easy |
| 19:12.06 | Leeds | Marios_: I don't know what I want! that's the problem! |
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| 19:12.26 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 19:12.28 | BobtheAvenger | ok i'll suggest things and you say yes or no |
| 19:12.53 | BobtheAvenger | Computer lab admin? |
| 19:12.59 | Marios_ | lol |
| 19:13.09 | Marios_ | I don't think would like that |
| 19:13.42 | BobtheAvenger | part of a Technical suport team? |
| 19:14.20 | BobtheAvenger | Applications programmer? |
| 19:14.37 | Leeds | none of the above, really |
| 19:14.58 | BobtheAvenger | Software engineer |
| 19:15.00 | BobtheAvenger | ?> |
| 19:15.02 | Leeds | probably |
| 19:15.16 | BobtheAvenger | systems programmer? |
| 19:15.31 | Leeds | probably |
| 19:15.44 | Leeds | although I've been enjoying doing web style stuff in python recently... |
| 19:15.54 | BobtheAvenger | Webmaster then? |
| 19:16.26 | BobtheAvenger | Webdeveloper? |
| 19:16.33 | Leeds | *not* webmaster |
| 19:16.37 | Leeds | not web designer |
| 19:16.42 | Leeds | I do code, not HTML |
| 19:17.09 | BobtheAvenger | HTML takes like 2minutes to learn |
| 19:17.22 | Leeds | um, dude |
| 19:17.27 | BobtheAvenger | yer? |
| 19:17.49 | Marios_ | well you should focus on "good" HTML |
| 19:17.51 | Leeds | I *can* do HTML, just like I *can* do Windows installs - doesn't mean anyone is going to pay me anything like enough to make it worth my while doing it for 1 day, never mind full time |
| 19:18.40 | BobtheAvenger | then learn something new like asp, javascript or PHP |
| 19:18.55 | Leeds | ha ha ha |
| 19:18.59 | Marios_ | lol |
| 19:19.05 | BobtheAvenger | whats so funny? |
| 19:19.06 | Leeds | please tell me you are joking? |
| 19:19.15 | Marios_ | Leeds prefers coding in 0101010101 |
| 19:19.18 | BobtheAvenger | you want a job? |
| 19:19.29 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: I have no worry at all about finding a job |
| 19:19.34 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:19.48 | BobtheAvenger | so you know what you want to do etc? |
| 19:20.04 | Leeds | what I'm worried about is finding the right job at the right company, doing the right work for the right pay with the right people on the right contintent! |
| 19:20.12 | Leeds | (oh, and in the right language) |
| 19:20.47 | BobtheAvenger | and what if you cant? |
| 19:21.01 | Leeds | I can |
| 19:21.08 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:21.25 | Leeds | I'm worried about making the choices, not about the available options |
| 19:21.44 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:22.01 | Leeds | I have to be honest, suggesting to a C programmer that he learns asp, javascript or php is rather insulting - I assume you didn't mean it |
| 19:22.16 | Marios_ | hahahahha |
| 19:22.21 | BobtheAvenger | I dnt say what i dont mean |
| 19:22.43 | BobtheAvenger | *dont |
| 19:23.08 | Leeds | I'm a hacker - if I have a need to know a language, I just go ahead and learn it - learning languages is easy |
| 19:23.34 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:23.54 | BobtheAvenger | you do C? |
| 19:24.02 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:24.24 | Leeds | C, shell and python are my 'home' languages |
| 19:24.31 | BobtheAvenger | is there any way i can port scanf() without using assembly? |
| 19:24.44 | Leeds | port to where? |
| 19:25.06 | BobtheAvenger | port to an operating system which needs a libc |
| 19:25.23 | Leeds | I'd just port the libc, myself... |
| 19:25.28 | Leeds | what OS are you talking about? |
| 19:25.42 | Leeds | this is your d-i-y os? |
| 19:25.50 | BobtheAvenger | thats what i'm trying to do |
| 19:25.56 | Leeds | do you have a C compiler? |
| 19:26.00 | BobtheAvenger | yes |
| 19:26.40 | Leeds | you should be able to write a scanf in plain C - not libc - relatively easily... not necessarily a highly-efficient one, but it shouldn't be hard |
| 19:27.12 | Leeds | have you looked at existing implementations? |
| 19:27.19 | BobtheAvenger | i was asking if i could do it without using assebly |
| 19:27.39 | Leeds | when did I mention assembly? |
| 19:28.05 | BobtheAvenger | you didnt, i did |
| 19:28.28 | Leeds | right, so why did you just mention it? |
| 19:28.41 | Leeds | have you looked at existing implementations? |
| 19:28.49 | Leeds | I can think of at least three places I'd look... |
| 19:28.58 | BobtheAvenger | where? |
| 19:29.26 | Leeds | Minix, *BSD and glibc, in that order |
| 19:29.32 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:29.47 | Leeds | do you know minix? |
| 19:30.06 | BobtheAvenger | i can google it |
| 19:30.14 | Leeds | so, no, you don't know it... |
| 19:30.21 | Leeds | you should grok minix heavily... |
| 19:30.29 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 19:30.36 | BobtheAvenger | I got to got |
| 19:30.39 | BobtheAvenger | *go |
| 19:30.41 | BobtheAvenger | peace |
| 19:30.42 | Leeds | seeya |
| 19:30.52 | Leeds | Marios_: was I being harsh? |
| 19:30.58 | Marios_ | Leeds: yesterday they gave me a C embedded test for a C++ bank position ;) |
| 19:31.33 | Leeds | strange |
| 19:31.39 | Marios_ | not harsh but I think he doesn't know you that's why he was talking about PHP/Javascript |
| 19:32.23 | Leeds | I did go for one C++ job in my last round of hunting - at Symbian (hmm, wonder if they're hiring now) - and they basically said "well, as long as you know C, we'll assume you can learn C++ easily" |
| 19:33.14 | Marios_ | even though they are two different things, I assume they mean that C is quite difficult so C++ should piece of cake to learn |
| 19:34.15 | Leeds | no - I think it was more that C is the basis of C++, so to move from one to the other shouldn't be too hard |
| 19:36.18 | Marios_ | yeah you can say that too |
| 19:36.46 | Marios_ | but when you are talking about C++ you mean OO which is a completely different approach from C |
| 19:39.10 | highbury | anything interesting happen at Lonix yesterday? |
| 19:40.47 | Marios_ | Leeds said it wasn't very busy |
| 19:50.45 | Marios_ | I had fish and chips in the pub next door ;) |
| 19:52.22 | Leeds | mine is healthier :-) |
| 19:52.50 | Marios_ | I don't eat healthy at all :( |
| 19:53.26 | Marios_ | I thought after coming here I would find healthier food but there are some nice pubs and fried chicken places next and i can't resist |
| 19:53.44 | Marios_ | s/next/next door |
| 19:55.04 | Leeds | it's easy to fall into that... |
| 19:56.02 | Marios_ | yeah |
| 20:20.52 | George | hrmm, the guys at ATI are really responsive |
| 20:21.03 | George | I've sent and received a dozen emails to them today |
| 20:21.20 | Leeds | good |
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| 20:23.11 | George | s/to/to\/from/ |
| 21:07.31 | pawel_ | hi guys. |
| 21:07.43 | pawel_ | Leeds: thanks a lot again. |
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| 21:17.25 | pawel | yeah. |
| 22:03.49 | JD | George: yeah they suck |
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| 22:06.17 | George | JD: yeah :( |
| 22:06.44 | JD | George: you allowed to come to fosdem this year? |
| 22:07.00 | George | I don't think I can be arsed |
| 22:07.08 | George | I could try, but I really can't be bothered |
| 22:07.09 | JD | George: but beerage |
| 22:07.11 | George | besides, I have no money |
| 22:07.19 | JD | and womanage |
| 22:07.28 | George | both things I don't care about |
| 22:08.42 | JD | fuck you, thjey were cute |
| 22:09.00 | George | JD: fuck me? |
| 22:09.11 | JD | no thanks |
| 22:09.17 | JD | I've just eaten |
| 22:09.26 | George | ... |
| 22:09.57 | George | nap time |
| 22:17.02 | JAV | evening |