| 00:00.29 | floo | DO I go the gllug social page and announce it or to gllug aqnnounce |
| 00:03.20 | Leeds | I'd post something on the social list saying that the date has been posted on IRC and does anyone know anything, and if not, you're calling a social meeting for $time at $place |
| 00:03.54 | floo | right |
| 00:04.19 | Leeds | hmm... amazon(.co.uk) seem to have setup a Jersey subsidiary which can sell below-£18 items without VAT |
| 00:04.40 | floo | oh |
| 00:06.19 | Leeds | you don't sound impressed :-) |
| 00:07.48 | floo | no i am |
| 00:08.09 | floo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.06 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:11.05 | floo | oh perhaps you can help |
| 00:11.53 | floo | every time i connect I'm asked to identify myself to nickserv, is this usual or is there something I've not done? |
| 00:12.14 | Leeds | it's usual... are you registered? |
| 00:12.39 | floo | I must be because they gave me a server password |
| 00:13.03 | Leeds | did you register your nick? |
| 00:13.07 | floo | do I have to do that everytime I join a different server or channel? |
| 00:13.18 | Leeds | answer me, dammit! :-) |
| 00:13.26 | floo | yes I'm pretty sure I did |
| 00:14.05 | floo | it says 'this nick belongs to someone else, please identify yourself to NickServ' |
| 00:14.20 | Leeds | in which case you should identify yourself (using your password) to nickserv when you connect to the network... most IRC clients will let you auto-run a command or commands when you connect, so you'd put the login there |
| 00:14.56 | floo | can u eleborate |
| 00:15.59 | Leeds | elaborate on what? |
| 00:16.23 | Leeds | the point is that you've setup a password on the network |
| 00:16.36 | floo | autorun a command and put a login there... etc |
| 00:16.51 | Leeds | which is there so a) no-one can pretend to be you and b) you can kill yourself off if you're logged in in multiple places |
| 00:17.10 | Leeds | well, you're connecting to a server and sending commands back and forth, aren't you? |
| 00:17.28 | Leeds | most IRC clients will let you setup a list of commands to run automatically after you connect to the network |
| 00:17.35 | Leeds | so you need to put the login command there |
| 00:18.12 | floo | ctcp? |
| 00:18.50 | Leeds | yes, ctpc |
| 00:18.55 | Leeds | uh, ctcp |
| 00:19.12 | floo | received ctcp client from leeds |
| 00:19.18 | Leeds | yes, you did |
| 00:19.20 | Leeds | :-) |
| 00:19.25 | floo | what's that? |
| 00:19.29 | Leeds | ibot ctcp |
| 00:19.30 | ibot | hmm... ctcp is the Client To Client Protocol, part of IRC (version, ping, etc.) |
| 00:19.43 | floo | sorry mate |
| 00:20.34 | floo | I'm far too ignorant of this and I can see it'll piss you off if you have to keep explaining stuff.. maybe it's better if I read a bit more to understand this conversation |
| 00:21.07 | Leeds | you've got to love a mail which starts with "Thanks everyone for your suggestions. My husband is now discussing doing a modification to his computer that involves his welder." |
| 00:21.23 | Leeds | ctcp is like icmp but at the irc level |
| 00:21.29 | Leeds | that is, it's a meta-data protocol |
| 00:21.54 | Leeds | I used it to ask your client what it was, realised I'd got the wrong command, so asked it was version it was |
| 00:22.10 | floo | but ewhat does it do... how should I respond, if at all... what was the purpose of yu foing such a thing? |
| 00:22.15 | floo | see what I mean |
| 00:22.23 | Leeds | it told me it was xchat 2.0.8 running on Linux 2.6.8.1-2-386 (why 386?) on an i686 running at 998.36MHz |
| 00:22.50 | floo | ahhh |
| 00:23.01 | Leeds | you don't have to do anything - I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to your IRC client |
| 00:23.08 | floo | I'm using Ubuntu at the moment |
| 00:23.29 | Leeds | so? does that mean you can't compile a decent kernel? |
| 00:23.31 | floo | 386 is just the extension thay've used for this particular kernel |
| 00:23.40 | Leeds | bah - be a man, build your own |
| 00:23.59 | floo | I've tried and I'd love to but for example |
| 00:24.26 | floo | when I compiled one for Mandrake I was missing the 'supermount module |
| 00:24.40 | floo | so my cd's and partitions wouldn't automount |
| 00:24.56 | Leeds | so fix it! |
| 00:24.58 | floo | didn't know how to tranfer it from Mandrake kernel to vanilla kernel |
| 00:25.02 | Leeds | I don't like local automounters anyway |
| 00:25.11 | floo | how do i fix it |
| 00:25.11 | Leeds | and I don't like distros with heavily-patched kernels |
| 00:25.16 | Leeds | I don't know |
| 00:25.42 | Leeds | you'd have to pay me to actually use mandrake, and automounting would be one of the first things I'd turn off - probably with rm -rf |
| 00:25.45 | floo | when i tried slackware it wouldn't mount my cds either despite the fact they were in fstab |
| 00:25.51 | floo | drove me mad!! |
| 00:25.56 | Leeds | works fine for me |
| 00:26.02 | floo | didn't for me |
| 00:26.13 | Leeds | and how did you try to debug it? |
| 00:26.28 | floo | something about device links not being configured properly |
| 00:26.35 | floo | but too advanced for me |
| 00:26.43 | Leeds | that's how you learn |
| 00:26.55 | floo | I don't know what to look for whaen I debug |
| 00:27.01 | Leeds | that's how you learn! |
| 00:27.20 | Leeds | the most obvious thing to do is slap the error message into google |
| 00:27.20 | floo | true but oif you don't knoew what to look for..... |
| 00:27.38 | SlayerXP | clearly you should have used deibna instead. |
| 00:27.40 | Leeds | just look everywhere until you find it |
| 00:27.40 | SlayerXP | debian |
| 00:27.48 | Leeds | SlayerXP: STFU :-) |
| 00:27.53 | SlayerXP | ok :) |
| 00:28.08 | floo | in any event ubuntu id debian based adnd they seem to have there own set of commands and configurations etc... |
| 00:28.11 | Leeds | he's already infected with ubunutu |
| 00:28.30 | floo | I think it's very good |
| 00:28.45 | floo | but I guess your a command line king |
| 00:29.01 | Leeds | hmmm... £101.63 for a drive and shipping... not quite there |
| 00:29.02 | Leeds | yes, I am |
| 00:29.33 | floo | so slck would be good for you |
| 00:29.51 | Leeds | it always has been... from when I started (almost exactly) 9 years ago |
| 00:30.16 | floo | well I only stated 3 years ago |
| 00:31.08 | Leeds | bloody newbies |
| 00:31.16 | Leeds | :-) |
| 00:31.20 | floo | indeed |
| 00:31.27 | Leeds | 3 years is plenty of time to become a command-line guru |
| 00:31.38 | floo | But my openpffice tak went down well |
| 00:31.53 | floo | oh ffs poxy keyboard |
| 00:32.20 | floo | There's too much to learn |
| 00:33.59 | Leeds | there's never too much to learn |
| 00:34.08 | Leeds | I'm considering learning mobile java this week |
| 00:34.38 | evangineer | hmm, I had thought that the Matrix was a ripoff of Grant Morrison's the Invisibles |
| 00:35.11 | evangineer | never heard of that Sophia Stewart woman |
| 00:35.16 | Leeds | evangineer: apparently not... and you're very lagged :-) |
| 00:35.23 | Leeds | I'd never heard of her either |
| 00:35.39 | floo | Nice talking to you mateand thanks for advie but I'm gonna go now |
| 00:35.45 | Leeds | the issue comes down to the difference between a 'ripoff' and a 'ripoff' |
| 00:35.50 | Leeds | floo: g'night mate |
| 00:35.56 | floo | see you soon |
| 00:35.59 | *** part/#gllug floo (~gary@host-83-146-26-164.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 00:36.08 | SlayerXP | postel:~/perl# wc -l buildindex.sql |
| 00:36.08 | SlayerXP | 1791317 buildindex.sql |
| 00:37.30 | SlayerXP | sounds dull |
| 00:37.39 | SlayerXP | free drinks? nice booth babes? |
| 00:37.56 | evangineer | free drinks, no booth babes though. |
| 00:38.06 | evangineer | don't get those at LSE |
| 00:38.06 | Leeds | bloody slow UPS... how long does it take to fly a package directly to me from Hong Kong anyway... |
| 00:38.15 | Leeds | LSE didn't want me |
| 00:38.15 | SlayerXP | Leeds: <--------> |
| 00:38.18 | SlayerXP | that long |
| 00:38.20 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
| 00:38.46 | evangineer | SlayerXP, what RDBMS? |
| 00:39.11 | SlayerXP | evangineer: you're going for the silly question award? :) |
| 00:39.55 | evangineer | alrighty, Oracle |
| 00:40.01 | SlayerXP | close |
| 00:40.09 | evangineer | PostgreSQL |
| 00:40.14 | Leeds | sqlite? |
| 00:40.21 | SlayerXP | my rdbms selection equation is as follows: |
| 00:40.47 | SlayerXP | if ($budget>=100000){oracle;} else {postgres;} |
| 00:41.01 | evangineer | sounds reasonable |
| 00:41.35 | SlayerXP | i'm an informix kiddie |
| 00:41.45 | SlayerXP | but no-one does that anymore |
| 00:42.10 | SlayerXP | quoth Big Blue, dee be two |
| 00:42.43 | evangineer | long ago, back in the days when 4GL meant something! ;-) |
| 00:43.15 | SlayerXP | I do like a good mysql troll though |
| 00:43.21 | SlayerXP | they're rare these days |
| 00:44.10 | SlayerXP | http://sql-info.de/mysql/referential-integrity.html#3_5 |
| 00:44.22 | evangineer | Leeds, I used to be quite interested in Mobile Java for Symbian phones |
| 00:44.24 | SlayerXP | I do love that little sql snippet |
| 00:44.57 | Leeds | evangineer: in which case you may be able to answer a question which came up when I was discussing this with someone this afternoon... |
| 00:45.27 | Leeds | evangineer: are symbian phones (newer rather than older, I think) decent targets for j2me? is there likely to be a jvm installed? |
| 00:46.58 | evangineer | hmm, symbian phones do come with jvms. They used to support something called PersonalJava, but I would expect J2ME to be supported now. |
| 00:47.27 | Leeds | cool |
| 00:47.39 | Leeds | that makes my case stronger |
| 00:47.45 | evangineer | a good place to ask those who really know what they are talking about is #mobitopia |
| 00:48.51 | Leeds | thing is, I'm thinking of writing a little app this week, effectively as friendly competition with a pocketpc app someone else has written (a viewer for the same data) and knowing that it would cover symbian devices would be nice |
| 00:49.03 | Leeds | I would sort of have to learn java first as well... |
| 00:49.29 | evangineer | java as a language is easy, it's all the bloody apis that's a pain. |
| 00:50.15 | Leeds | and there's a lot less of them in j2me |
| 00:50.26 | evangineer | true |