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01:44.10Katrinadost thou have nowt better to do?
01:44.41Georgeyou're mixing old english with northern english :P
01:45.16Katrinayou didn't answer the question :)
01:45.24Georgeand of course I do
01:45.28GeorgeI'm trolling on #KDE-Devel
01:50.10GeorgeKatrina: what are you doing up this late anyway? :P
01:50.20Katrinaat the moment, not a lot
01:50.29Georgeapart from getting force fed KDE apps
01:51.10Katrinalistening to christian music. far too hot to sleep :/
01:51.27Georgechristian music?
01:53.21Katrinayup
01:53.45Katrinayou know, music in which people worship God and talk about christian things
01:53.57Katrinathat's about it really
01:54.02Georgeok.
01:54.05Georgewibble
01:54.08Katrinaidd
01:55.12Katrinaeddie izzard has something to say about that ;)
01:55.25Georgeheh.
01:55.30Georgeyeah, but he's a transvestite.
01:55.31George:P
01:55.44Georgealbeit a very funny transvestite.
01:55.53Katrina"God Save the Queen. Now the Queen lives in a very big house, she has barbed wire outside, and people with guns in front of that. That’s one saved fucking queen, I’ll tell you."
01:56.05GeorgeLOL
01:56.08Katrinawhat's wrong with men wearing women's clothing? :P
01:56.22Katrinawhy is it even called men and women's clothing
01:56.25Katrinathey're just clothes :)
01:56.40Katrinagirls go about wearing "men's" clothes all the time and no-one bats an eyelid
01:56.53Georgeyeah, well, all girls are transvestites.
01:56.54George:P
01:58.14Katrina:)
01:58.38Katrinayes, and? :)
01:58.51KatrinaI'm a lot of other things as well :)
01:58.51Georgeyou.. *shudder* transvestite!
01:59.05Katrinaif i told you half of what i am you'd be running screaming ;)
01:59.41Georgeyou're not 1351 on the mailing list are you?
02:00.00Katrinagot no idea what you're talking about, so no :)
02:00.08Georgeok
02:00.41Georgethere was someone that claimed to be an attempted porn star with blue hair etc called "Kat" that posted on the ml
02:01.59Katrinaintriguing
02:02.10Georgethought it might be you :P
02:02.14Katrinanaw :)
02:03.29KatrinaFUCKING WASS
02:03.33Katrinawaps*
02:03.34Katrinawasps
02:03.36Katrinaokay i give up
02:03.43Georgeget a nuke
02:03.48Georgethat ought to shift 'em
02:03.55GeorgeI'm sure you can get some from the soviets
02:03.56George:P
02:05.05Katrinayes, because I'm russian :)
02:05.10Georgeyou are?
02:05.31Katrinai could be
02:05.41Georgedo you have a beard?
02:06.26Katrinanope
02:06.34Georgethen you can hardly be russian :P
02:06.35Katrinado you? :)
02:06.38Georgeno.
02:06.45Katrinathen you must be russian :)
02:06.55Georgehah
02:16.58GeorgeTHUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:20.51KatrinaLIGHTNING
02:20.59KatrinaCATS?
02:21.02Katrinathunder cats ruled :)
02:21.05Georgeno, Kats
02:21.10Georgebahaha
02:21.10GeorgeKDE!
02:26.06KatrinaKDIE
02:26.16GeorgeKDIE?
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05:38.31KDSKBENTi am new to linux and i am getting the following error at boiot time and everytime i login. my kernel is  2.6.7-1.494.2.2 and have all the updates installed. what am i doing wrong?. shall i reinstall fedora core2 ?
05:41.53KDSKBENTthe actual error i get is this... KDSKBENT: Invalid argument failed to bind key 255 to value 1228  KDSKBENT: Invalid argument  failed to bind key 255 to value 2003
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06:31.22mozratmoi Leeds
06:32.08Leedsmorning
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07:57.49mozratGood morning peeps
07:59.33SlayerXPmorning
08:00.32Trelmorning
08:01.31TarragonMoin
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08:34.57Number9hi there
08:35.02Number9you guys live in london?
08:35.07RevRobYup
08:35.09Tarragonhi #9
08:35.10Number9sweet
08:35.12Number9hey
08:35.19Number9i live in the US
08:35.24Number9and im coming to london
08:35.26Number9this month
08:35.42Number9and i was wondering, could you help me out with a few questions about the telelphones there
08:35.51TarragonWe can try
08:35.56Number9thanks! :)
08:35.58Number9well
08:36.06Number9020 is london
08:36.10SlayerXPamazing
08:36.15SlayerXPyou know more than most londoners
08:36.16Number9020 7xxx xxxx is central
08:36.18Number9lol
08:36.28Tarragon0208 is outer London
08:36.33Number9right :)
08:36.35Number9so
08:36.46Number9how bout outside of london
08:36.46SlayerXP020 is london,  7 will most likely be centralish, 8 will most likely not
08:36.48Number9how does that work
08:36.55Number901 ..
08:37.29SlayerXPyes, you have an area code and a local number
08:37.33Tarragon0151 Liverpool  0161 Manchester
08:37.41SlayerXP01204 being Bolton, for example.
08:37.45Number9ah i see
08:38.02Number9well how is there one more digit in bolton than liverpool?
08:38.12Number9for the area code
08:38.24SlayerXPbecause we have BT in charge, who are fuckwits.
08:38.31Number9ah ok lol
08:38.39Number9so every basic number has 6 digits?
08:39.00SlayerXPmaybe :)
08:39.11Number9:P what do you mean by that
08:39.14SlayerXPlondon numbers are 8 digits
08:39.23SlayerXPbolton numbers are 6, go figure
08:39.29Number9hmm odd
08:39.47Number9lets say your in london
08:39.52Number9and you call your neighbor
08:39.54Number9next door
08:39.55SlayerXPwhich I am
08:39.58Number9whats a typical number
08:40.00Number9you would call
08:40.06SlayerXP8123 4567
08:40.12Number9so 8 digits
08:40.15RevRobNumber9, there are no set standards like in North America with regard to numbers
08:40.22Number9right, ive noticed :P
08:40.32SlayerXPRevRob: yes, there are.  it's just BT keep changing the standard
08:40.33TarragonNumbers to landlines are usually 11 digits, but if in the same area yo can miss off the area code
08:40.43Number98 means its outer london
08:40.48SlayerXPnot really
08:40.59SlayerXPit means "most like not central-ish" london
08:41.03SlayerXPlikely
08:41.07Number9oh ok
08:41.50Number9so lets say you live in london and you;re calling a typical number in liverpool
08:41.58Number9how would that look?
08:42.06RevRobyou always just dial the full number
08:42.08Tarragonyou need to dial the full 11 digit number
08:42.09SlayerXP0151 <some more numbers here>
08:42.26Number96 numbers after the 0151?
08:42.37RevRobthere are no extra prefixes or anything .. most people give out numbers as they would be dialed.  
08:42.50Number9oh ok
08:43.04TarragonCities tend to have a 4 digit city code plus a three digit district number plus the actual 4 digit number.
08:43.18Number9ahh i see
08:43.33TarragonOuside a city it tends to be a 5 digit area code plus a 6 digit number
08:43.58RevRobfor example, I live in Tooting (SW17 south london)  My number starts 020 8672  xxxx  most people around me have 8672 in their numbers
08:44.17Number9oh ok
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08:44.32Number9london's is very different from the rest of the UK right?
08:44.44RevRobshould someone even mention National Rate numbers and toll-free numbers?
08:44.55Number9i know you guys have 0800
08:44.59Number9and 0845
08:45.31TarragonThat is only because Londoners think they are still on the old system of a three digit city number. Outside London the number would be written 0208 672 xxxx
08:45.32RevRoband numbers that aren't nation numbers charged at local rates
08:46.06RevRobTarragon, ineed, I tend to write all my numbers in that form too.. xxxx xxx xxxx
08:46.32RevRobI try to harmonize numbers to something that reminds me of North American numbers, it's easier for me to remember
08:46.56Number9so the three digit numbering is obsolete?
08:47.04Number9(020) 7123 4567
08:47.17TarragonWhat is the expensive dial code? One of them is charged at £50 connection and was designed to sell stuff just by dialling?
08:47.20RevRobyou will see numbers writen a 100 different ways here.
08:47.33RevRob090*
08:47.51RevRobany number starting 090 is premium rate
08:47.55Number9there is no set correct standard?
08:48.05Number9premium rate... as in, expensive call?
08:48.14RevRoband there is also 0700 numbers as well... the are sort of premium rate numbers
08:48.15Number9im assuming, hotlines and such... ?
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08:48.35RevRobyeah, and a lot of companies are moving their support/helplines to 090 numbers as well, the bastards
08:48.39Number9hah
08:48.53RevRobit's bad enough your product is shit enough I have to get support for it, let alone charge me again.
08:48.59Number9lol
08:49.02Number9so this would be dialed from london to liverpool: 0151 551 8820 == Liverpool District PhoneLine
08:49.12RevRobyeah
08:49.15Number9i see
08:49.28RevRobthe best rule of thumb is .. dial all digits all the time and you can't go wrong
08:49.34Number9:)
08:49.35RevRobunless you have a wrong number that is :)
08:49.57Number9so even if you live in liverpool, and your calling your neighbor
08:50.07Number90151 551 8820
08:50.10Number9you can dial that
08:50.16Number9?
08:50.25SlayerXPyes
08:50.28Number9oh ok
08:50.35SlayerXPyou can dial 0044151 551 8820 if you want
08:50.44SlayerXP(just to add to the fun)
08:50.46Number9hah
08:50.55Number944 being country code?
08:51.00Number9and 00 being... international?
08:51.02SlayerXPyup
08:51.04RevRobyeah
08:51.06Number9oh ok
08:51.27RevRobin my mobile phone I store all numbers as +44xxxxxxxxxxx
08:51.31Tarragon077xx is normally a mobile phone
08:51.31Number9heh
08:51.36Number9oh 077?
08:51.41SlayerXPNumber9: some people will tell you the london code is either 0207 or 0208, they are wrong.
08:51.42RevRobthen I know I can just dial from anwywhere anytime and never have to hand edit the numbers
08:51.44Number9whats the second 7?
08:51.52RevRob077, 078, 079
08:51.57Number9SlayerXP, yeah thats what ive heard
08:52.07RevRobthey are all different networks and the like
08:52.07Number9whats the different between the three, RevRob?
08:52.14SlayerXPnothing
08:52.19SlayerXPjust different number blocks
08:52.25Number9oh ok
08:52.25SlayerXPthey all mean "mobile phone"
08:52.28Number9i see
08:52.29RevRobit use to be for different networks, but it's all tits up now
08:52.57Number907x xxxx xxxx ?
08:53.02Number9is that a mobile number?
08:53.43RevRobhowever, don't thnk that any number starting 07 is a mobile..
08:53.55RevRobthere are services that use 070 that are not mobiles
08:53.55Number9oh?
08:54.05RevRobwww.yac.com  
08:54.14TarragonPagers normally start 076
08:54.30RevRobpagers?  I've heard of those.  hmmm
08:54.35Number9lol
08:54.45RevRobwho the hell uses pagers here.. ????
08:54.48LeedsNumber9: it's important to know that however you dial a number, it'll be charged the same - so if you dial it as a long distance or international call - it'll still be charged as local or national
08:54.50Number9so a pager could also be 077 ?
08:54.58RevRoband Blackberries aren't pagers.. so they don't count