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01:46.04Marios_where to specify the IP of a DHCP server ?
01:55.47Marios_is everybody sleaping ?
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07:29.29mozratMorning folks
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08:02.35mozratMorning SlayerXP
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08:33.02mozratHello Cope, Kyoji
08:36.30Copehello mozrat
08:36.34Copehi ky
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09:53.45Xiaoqimorning all
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10:01.18zacharymoin
10:04.32wethrinMorning
10:04.38wethrinFuck. My iPod is b0rk3d
10:05.36Leedswethrin: how so?
10:05.59wethrinDoesn't power on, and doesn't even charge when putting the firewire cable in
10:06.11Leedsoops
10:06.27wethrinYes. It was working a few days ago
10:06.49wethrinTook it with me on holiday, and now it doesn't work
10:08.10Leedsthere is a reset thing...
10:09.37Leedshttp://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705
10:10.13wethrincheers
10:12.18LeedsI could summarise :-)
10:12.24wethrinNo luck :(
10:13.37Leedswarranty?
10:13.55wethrinNope. It's a classic iPod
10:14.52Leeds:-(
10:15.04wethrinHm. Although the System Profile says that "No information found" on the Firewire port
10:15.13wethrinSo maybe the FW controller on the laptop is dead
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10:15.42Leedsif you plug it into the wall does it respond?
10:15.51wethrinI have no wall to plug it into
10:16.00wethrinIt's a classic one, which only used a cable
10:16.01CopeYou are outside?
10:16.12wethrinI'm indoors
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10:19.59Leedswethrin: so there's no power cable?
10:20.46murbwethrin: didn't you only just get it, is it still under warrantee?
10:21.03wethrinmurb: No, I got in 2nd hand
10:21.07wethrin*it
10:21.14wethrinLeeds: No. Just the firewire cable
10:21.19gregjhi folks
10:21.22Copemurb: I'm getting seriously pissed off with Demon
10:21.22wethrinhi gj
10:21.38murbCope: what have they now done to earn your displeasure?
10:21.40wethrinDemon are fine until you want them to do something :)
10:21.48murbwethrin: they used to be ok :(
10:22.05murbalthough given the ammount of greif i went through just to cancel my account they've gone downhill.
10:22.23Leedswethrin: so the only way to charge it is f/w?  My iPod came with a mains->f/w block for charging...
10:22.27wethrinmurb: I know
10:22.41wethrinLeeds: Yes, but you have a new iPod. They do have those
10:22.53Leedsdoes the same block work though?
10:23.02wethrinI think so, yes
10:23.08murbCope: well, i'm happy with my current ISP, but might move to BCN when / if they get their adsl service up and running.
10:23.09wethrinIt's just one with a firewire connector on it
10:35.11wethrinHm. The iPod is getting hot.
10:35.24wethrinSo it's getting power at least
10:38.25Copemurb: Well they STILL haven't sorted out wibbleworld1, and their billing department are clueless - now they reckon I owe them a bill from months ago, yet the last time I spoke to them they said I owed them nothing;
10:38.29Copeetc etc
10:38.37CopeI'd like to be able to threaten them....
10:41.16Leedswith violence?
10:43.09Georgeheya Leeds
10:43.13Georgegot my new phone today :)
10:43.48Leedswow
10:45.11murbCope: well wibbleworld.org and org.uk are avalible so.
10:45.38murbsay byebyeto demon and migrate.
10:49.30Copemurb: Hmm... who would provide the bandwidth?
10:49.46murbCope: there are loads of ISP offering generic adsl.
10:49.55murbpick one.
10:50.06CopeWould I need to run my own DNS server?
10:50.18murbI don't know how much demon charge but i'm currently paying eclipse about 23 quid a month for a /29 of normal service.
10:50.19wethrinNo. I can do that.
10:50.29wethrinAs can murb. And lots of other people :)
10:50.46murbwhat is more i can do it in a vagely competent style :)
10:50.58murbor however it is spelt :)
10:51.02wethrin:)
10:51.03Copewhereas wethrin ....
10:51.20wethrinCan do it competently, and spell correctly
10:51.21murbCope: well we know about his qmail flailings from last night, he might also be running djbdns.
10:51.27Copeewww
10:51.30wethrinNo, I'm running BIND9
10:52.05CopeEclipse, eh?
10:52.11wethrinNowt wrong with djbdns. Lots of people like it. And, of course, don't knock it unlness you've tried it
10:53.15Copemurb: how much for wibbleworld.org ?
10:53.18Copeor org.uk
10:53.38CopeIs that somethung yuri or whatever can sort?
10:54.18murbCope: i can do an org.uk for 7.5quid / 2 years.
10:54.46CopeWhat's involved?
10:54.59Georgemmmm
10:55.01Georgesandwiches :D
10:55.11murbfilling in the nominet application form, signing it and emailing it to applications@nic.uk
10:55.19Georgemurb: I can do .org.uk for 6.09 quid / 2 years
10:55.19George:P
10:55.44murbif i cared i could do it for 5.87, but don't want to make aloss.
10:55.51CopeGeorge: yeah, but murb is moderately competent; and I like him; You're a prat.
10:55.52murband i have to pay for my nominet membership some how as well
10:56.00GeorgeCope: thanks.
10:56.12murbGeorge: are you a nominet member?
10:56.17Georgeno
10:56.18Georgeer wait
10:56.34Georgeare you talking about being the registrar yourself?
10:56.34murbGeorge: you'd know if you were.
10:56.41CopeHow does one 'do' an org.uk then?
10:56.49Georgeargh, forget everything I said
10:56.49George;)
10:57.02wethrinOne asks murb or BCN or $other_nominet_member
10:57.04murbCope: you fill in the form which i'll find in a second, i check it looks ok, gpg sign it and email it to applications@
10:57.16murbindeed, or ask someone else to do the same.
10:57.49Copeibot BCN
10:57.50ibotCope: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:57.53CopeNo
10:57.57wethrinwww.blackcatnetworks.co.uk
10:58.00CopeAh
10:58.24murboh and you agree to the nominet terms and conditions.
10:59.34CopeHow does that then get pointed at an IP?
10:59.46murbyou delegate it to some nameservers at the same time.
10:59.55murbthose nameservers hold a zone information for that domain.
11:00.03murbwhich has in it whatever you want.
11:10.25CopeWhat about eclipse - how long have you been with them?
11:10.32CopeRecommendations are always good.
11:12.07murbnearly a year now.
11:12.26murbthey've had one or 2 problems, but i've never had to phone them.
11:12.49murbmainly of the type bt have borked the network everyone is reauthing so are radius servers are a bit maxed please try again.
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11:54.28cupafternoon
12:04.29Copehello cup
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12:35.29rhoweAnyone familiar with XSLT?
12:36.21gregjbit
12:37.57rhoweOK, I want to do something evil
12:38.29gregj:>
12:38.36gregjwell
12:38.40gregjwe all do, don't we ;)
12:38.40gregj;)
12:38.43rhoweI have <link name="foo">bar</link> in an XML document. I want to turn it into <a href="<link:url name='foo' />">bar</a>
12:38.57gregjimpoossible
12:39.12gregjuse [] to embbody xml into xlm
12:39.13gregjso
12:39.15rhoweHowever, you don't seem to be allowed to put <xsl:element> inside <xsl:attribute> and if I try using text, XSLT 'kindly' escapes it all
12:39.26gregj<a href="[<link:....>]">.....
12:40.48rhoweWhat on earth is that processor?
12:40.57rhowexsltproc no like
12:41.08gregjat least that's what we do in KKDE
12:41.39rhoweAre you drunk? :)
12:41.48gregjnot at all
12:42.09rhoweLots of double letters :)
12:42.14gregjyes
12:42.34gregjthat's cause my computer compiles 1000x things, I am insstalling new fonts, etc
12:42.49gregjand irssi is so kind to repeat, or even reorder letters when you write too fast
12:42.51gregj;)
12:43.03rhoweheh
12:55.29wethrinFoo
12:55.46gregjbar
12:56.01wethrinI hate broken hardware
12:56.10gregjwho doesn't
12:56.22gregjI have broken embded platform that suppose to run linux
12:56.26gregjwith ARM 10mhz
12:56.27gregj:/
12:56.32wethrinSlow to compile :)
12:56.43gregjcross compilers
12:56.45gregj;)
12:57.02gregjtthan you flash the flash (EEPROM) , and voillie
12:57.05wethrinWell, my iPod isn't working. But it might be because it's broken, or because the firewire controller in the laptop is broken
12:57.16gregjor whatever french writing it is for it
12:57.35gregjlet's face it, you probably fcsked it
12:57.35gregj;p
12:58.12gregjM$ recently said that they are working on 5x cheaper iPod-a-like player
12:58.23wethrinI didn't fsck it :)
12:58.27gregjobviously it won't run linux
12:58.35gregjyes, it fscked it self
12:58.36wethrinI took it with me on holiday. I think the battery ran down
12:58.43gregjselfdestruction mode
12:58.44gregj;)
12:59.05wethrinBut plugged it in, and it wasn't detected
12:59.10wethrinThinking of which.
12:59.13gregjdoes it play ?
12:59.17wethrinWho here has a powerbook to hand?
12:59.26wethrinNo. There is no power on it
12:59.34gregjcharge oit
12:59.34gregjit
12:59.43gregjmaybe that's the cause
13:00.14wethrinI can't
13:00.17wethrinThat's the problem
13:00.23gregjwell, so
13:00.28Leedsget a f/w->mains charger block from somewhere
13:00.43gregjrule of thumb, hardware usually works better when powered
13:00.49wethrinHow much do they cost?
13:01.13wethringregj: Yes. The problem is not being able to power it. If I can solve that problem, then I should be able to get the iPod to work again
13:01.40gregjso you charge battery through laptop USB or whatever connection ?
13:01.49murbhas anyone noticed pretty widespread v6 connectivity problems today?
13:01.54wethrinFirewire
13:01.54murblike can anyone ping6 www.hea.net?
13:02.05wethrinYes
13:02.12gregjI had some issues with ipv6 yesterday
13:02.20gregjwell, with whole internet
13:02.21Leedswethrin: apple store, no UK block listed, but a world power kit goes for 29 quid
13:02.22gregjbut it seems to be ok today
13:02.25wethrinIf it was USB I wouldn't have a problem - I've got plenty of USB devices
13:02.42wethrinHm. World power kit. That may be useful
13:02.43gregjgj@thinkpaddie:~$ ping6 www.hea.net
13:02.43gregjPING www.hea.net(cyclops.ipv6.heanet.ie) 56 data bytes
13:02.43gregj64 bytes from cyclops.ipv6.heanet.ie: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=650 ms
13:02.43gregj64 bytes from cyclops.ipv6.heanet.ie: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=357 ms
13:02.59gregjwethrin: I got firewire in my Vaio
13:03.00Leedswethrin: but I'd suggest borrowing my block first :-)
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13:16.13wethrinHuw?
13:16.24SlayerXPerr
13:16.28murbwethrin: looks like a typo.
13:16.38wethrinYes.
13:16.53murbalthough i don't see why anyone would want to.
13:17.12SlayerXPwell, one of my business partners lives in south wales
13:17.22SlayerXPplus alan and telsa frequent the channel
13:17.32SlayerXPhandy to be able to randomly ask alan technical stuff
13:17.32wethrinPah. They should come here :)
13:18.01SlayerXPminor claim to fame: alan has stayed at my house
13:18.04SlayerXP:)
13:18.07wethrinOooh