| 00:00.14 | Leeds | whoa... Sunday |
| 00:00.44 | glitterpie | not quite by my clock... |
| 00:00.48 | glitterpie | doh! |
| 00:01.26 | wethrin | Sunday |
| 00:03.03 | Leeds | wind's getting up |
| 00:03.12 | glitterpie | oh dear |
| 00:03.50 | wethrin | Oh. Wrong wind |
| 00:03.51 | Leeds | yes, thank you |
| 00:04.49 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (~mkoumide@24.247.222.225.kzo.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 00:05.30 | wethrin | Bit late for that, innit? |
| 00:05.44 | Leeds | nope... midnightish is early |
| 00:05.54 | wethrin | Ah |
| 00:06.47 | Karen | of course midnightish is early! |
| 00:07.08 | rhowe | moving it to a different power socket |
| 00:07.11 | wethrin | Blah. |
| 00:07.18 | wethrin | 65 days uptime, but I ought to upgrade the kernel |
| 00:07.55 | rhowe | This is ~130 days :) |
| 00:08.03 | rhowe | Well, was |
| 00:08.03 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:11.01 | mozrat- | OK guys... night |
| 00:11.07 | Leeds | night |
| 00:11.09 | wethrin | night |
| 00:11.13 | Marios_ | nighty |
| 00:11.20 | *** part/#gllug mozrat- (~simon@host81-130-138-116.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 00:12.49 | wethrin | GAH! |
| 00:12.53 | wethrin | Damn you Easyspace! |
| 00:13.03 | Karen | what's it done? |
| 00:13.06 | wethrin | Yes, I know services have been suspended. But you don't need to tell me EVERY TWO FUCKING DAYS! |
| 00:13.09 | wethrin | Sorry. |
| 00:13.23 | Karen | np |
| 00:13.38 | Leeds | which services? |
| 00:13.48 | wethrin | Domain registration |
| 00:14.03 | Marios_ | guys..what is the most common way to deliver Java applications ? |
| 00:14.12 | Karen | and they can't be transfered? |
| 00:14.17 | wethrin | In a sealed envelope |
| 00:14.19 | Leeds | wrapped around a brick? |
| 00:14.29 | wethrin | I don't want to transfer. |
| 00:14.34 | Leeds | Marios_: webstart is the right answer |
| 00:14.35 | wethrin | I deliberately let it expire |
| 00:14.37 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed (~sparrow@82-35-125-146.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:14.51 | Karen | ah ok |
| 00:14.56 | Marios_ | Leeds << well I am interested to deliver in computers with no Internet access |
| 00:14.57 | resuDaed | evening all |
| 00:15.01 | resuDaed | (morning) |
| 00:15.25 | wethrin | MORNING! |
| 00:15.27 | Leeds | Marios_: on a CD then? :-) |
| 00:15.31 | Leeds | morning resuDaed |
| 00:15.31 | rhowe | whee, 2 lights lit up |
| 00:15.59 | wethrin | .st? |
| 00:16.04 | Marios_ | Leeds << you mean deliver the executable .jar file on a CD ? |
| 00:16.15 | Leeds | Marios_: sure... with a shell script wrapper |
| 00:16.29 | rhowe | Marios_: Plus some Windows autorun trickery |
| 00:16.36 | Marios_ | that was my problem... |
| 00:16.38 | Leeds | Marios_: alternatively, you can probably use webstart off a CD - I don't really know enough about it |
| 00:16.40 | resuDaed | what do people think about hosting from a virtual machine? |
| 00:16.41 | Marios_ | for Linux was not a problem |
| 00:16.42 | rhowe | Marios_: Add some scripts for the mac and so on |
| 00:16.45 | Marios_ | but for windows... |
| 00:16.53 | Leeds | wethrin: yes, .st |
| 00:16.58 | Marios_ | I have a problem with shell scripting |
| 00:17.04 | rhowe | Marios_: batch files? |
| 00:17.13 | resuDaed | as in not wanting to fork out for dedicated, but still getting root access? |
| 00:17.32 | rhowe | resuDaed: I know someone who works at DesignerServers |
| 00:17.32 | Leeds | resuDaed: depends on what you want it for |
| 00:17.46 | Marios_ | rhowe << the batch file works fine...but it pop ups the DOS prompt |
| 00:17.53 | rhowe | resuDaed: They have a lot of happy people who just run websites and so on |
| 00:18.00 | Leeds | Marios_: wsh |
| 00:18.02 | Marios_ | how to hide that DOS windows ? |
| 00:18.31 | Leeds | Marios_: do you know these people you're distributing to? do you know that they have a decent jvm installed? |
| 00:18.31 | rhowe | Marios_: See what Leeds said, or use one of the launcher programs you can get |
| 00:19.05 | resuDaed | Leeds : half a dozen websites (and small time mirroring for personal use), and some php based development |
| 00:19.33 | resuDaed | just I only have 128k up from home, and I can't really afford decent b/width from home |
| 00:19.41 | rhowe | resuDaed: dsvr will give you a free trial if you can persuade them you're a website designer |
| 00:19.52 | resuDaed | rhowe : lol |
| 00:19.57 | Marios_ | Leeds << well some of them they don't so I made an executable rar file which includes the the JVM plus my .jar file and a .bat file |
| 00:20.11 | resuDaed | am looking at bytemark-hosting.co.uk |
| 00:20.42 | rhowe | Marios_: Also look at the Nullsoft Installer on sf.net - I used that to package OpenPhone up at work and it works pretty nicely |
| 00:20.55 | resuDaed | they start at 15/m for 3G/64MB with 15G transfer |
| 00:22.26 | wethrin | Where's .st? |
| 00:22.40 | Marios_ | Leeds << is it legal to distribute the JVM files without running the JVM installation program ? |
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| 00:42.12 | Leeds | Marios_: I don't know - my instinct would say it's not legal to distribute the jvm at all without special permission |
| 00:42.39 | Leeds | wethrin: S?o Tom? & Principe apparently - I don't really care :-) |
| 00:43.15 | wethrin | And in a decent character set? |
| 00:43.25 | wethrin | S?o Tom? & Principe is what I've got |
| 00:43.54 | Leeds | Sao Tome |
| 00:44.21 | wethrin | Ah |
| 00:44.33 | wethrin | What domain did you want to get under .st? |
| 00:44.54 | Leeds | something like whatdoesitco.st |
| 00:45.03 | wethrin | Oh right |
| 00:45.30 | Leeds | the only other domain I've come across under there is www.atari.st :-) |
| 00:45.59 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:48.28 | Leeds | I just had a thought, on overtaking a limo the other night - how much does that cost? to hire one... |
| 00:48.54 | Leeds | there are lots of things for which you'd find it hard to guess what they'd cost until you actually asked around... |
| 00:50.05 | Leeds | and for quite a lot of them it might be hard to find a simple answer online |
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| 01:14.01 | Leeds | just for the sake of it - I bought a .info instead :-) |
| 01:15.25 | wethrin | Leeds.info? |
| 01:15.41 | Leeds | whatthingscost.info |
| 01:15.46 | wethrin | right |
| 01:16.32 | Leeds | I'll probably never do anything with it... |
| 01:16.46 | wethrin | Just keep paying? |
| 01:16.54 | wethrin | Is vmlinuz.org your own domain too? |
| 01:18.04 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:18.39 | Leeds | I've got 5 domains of my own now, plus another couple I pay for for other people |
| 01:18.54 | wethrin | Now that's just being greedy :-P |
| 01:19.20 | Leeds | in theory, they're for different things... |
| 01:19.37 | Leeds | but since I'm too lazy to actually get around to *doing* those things... :-) |
| 01:20.33 | wethrin | Fair enough :) |
| 01:20.40 | Leeds | plus, a couple of them were just "ooh, it might be cool to own $DOMAIN" |
| 01:20.57 | wethrin | Yes. That's why I got eco.li. |
| 01:21.01 | wethrin | But then I also used it. |
| 01:21.06 | Leeds | like, say, wanderingjew.co.uk and priorityinversion.org |
| 01:21.10 | wethrin | I ought to do something with larted.com |
| 01:21.44 | Leeds | it looks like wanderingjew.org is available now - I should get that and let the .co.uk lapse |
| 01:22.02 | Leeds | it is, of course, for my holiday snaps :-) |
| 01:22.41 | wethrin | Heh :) |
| 01:26.49 | Leeds | anyway, 'tis indeed time for bed now... |
| 01:27.06 | wethrin | BedIRC |
| 01:27.18 | Leeds | already logged in :-) |
| 01:27.23 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:59.03 | JD | hi all |
| 01:59.13 | wethrin | hi |
| 02:08.22 | MacLeeds | hi |
| 02:08.53 | MacLeeds | and bye |
| 02:11.01 | JD | damn I'm tired |
| 02:11.17 | wethrin | So sleep |
| 02:17.31 | wethrin | g'night all |