| 00:12.09 | Leeds | you know, it does a soul good to fight with XP once in a while... makes one appreciate just how much nicer *our* stuff really is |
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| 00:15.04 | formi | http://www.farodevigo.es/humor/FOTOMATON.JPG |
| 00:15.13 | formi | applies to bush also |
| 01:20.18 | formi | murb |
| 01:20.21 | formi | murb |
| 01:25.22 | murb | wot? |
| 01:25.30 | formi | jabber |
| 06:12.34 | new2unix | moin all |
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| 08:21.18 | rhowe | Sarah, meet hangover, hangover meet Sarah. Now you two run along and play with each other for the rest of the day |
| 08:24.57 | mozrat | Morning chaps |
| 08:28.58 | mozrat | rhowe: How is the hangover? |
| 08:29.14 | rhowe | mozrat: Sarah's? heh, she isn't enjoying it much |
| 08:29.29 | mozrat | Oh.... I read it as your hangover... |
| 08:29.42 | rhowe | Ah, no |
| 08:29.54 | mozrat | MORNING SARAH!!! (shouts to aggravate hangover) |
| 08:30.56 | rhowe | heh |
| 08:31.06 | rhowe | Shout louder - gotta reach .hk |
| 08:31.27 | mozrat | ;-) |
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| 08:42.07 | mozrat | Hello Beth! |
| 08:42.57 | Beth | Hello mozrat!!! |
| 08:43.19 | mozrat | How are you?? Are you a new visitor, haven't seen you before ( I may be wrong!!!) |
| 08:44.23 | Beth | I'm clphox's sis |
| 08:44.29 | mozrat | Cool! |
| 08:44.34 | Beth | lol |
| 08:44.40 | Beth | and resuDaed's g/f |
| 08:44.48 | mozrat | Ahh |
| 08:45.25 | Beth | lol |
| 08:46.15 | mozrat | Does anyone know any good public NNTP Servers... |
| 08:52.55 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 08:52.59 | wethrin | mozrat: Use your ISP's :) |
| 08:55.39 | mozrat | Hmmm.... we use UU.net (or MCI nowdays).. In fact www.mci.com seems to be down |
| 08:58.11 | wethrin | news.uu.net ? |
| 08:59.40 | mozrat | Last time I phoned them they were a little confused and kept offering me a NNTP feed, which I didn't really want! |
| 09:00.34 | mozrat | root@wt-linux-01:~# telnet news.uu.net 119 |
| 09:00.34 | mozrat | Trying 198.6.0.13... |
| 09:00.34 | mozrat | Connected to news0911.news.uu.net. |
| 09:00.34 | mozrat | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 09:00.34 | mozrat | 502 news0911.news.uu.net: Transfer permission denied to 194.203.foo.bar |
| 09:00.35 | mozrat | Connection closed by foreign host |
| 09:00.37 | mozrat | bah |
| 09:00.50 | wethrin | bah |
| 09:01.01 | wethrin | Get a feed, then :) |
| 09:01.27 | mozrat | too much trouble.... groups.google.com is my friend, but i like using pan |
| 09:01.42 | mozrat | maybe i should phone them again |
| 09:01.51 | wethrin | ssh tunnels :) |
| 09:02.21 | mozrat | is that even a real word? |
| 09:02.34 | wethrin | sure :) |
| 09:02.46 | wethrin | Get shell access on a box that has access to a news server |
| 09:03.07 | mozrat | I was missing a 'z' |
| 09:03.15 | mozrat | Yeah, I could do that! |
| 09:03.29 | mozrat | Quizzical Quiz"zic*al, a. |
| 09:03.29 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.29 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.29 | mozrat | wethrin: can you get to www.mci.com |
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| 09:12.31 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 09:12.43 | wethrin | Well, to the initial redirect :) |
| 09:13.14 | wethrin | Hm. Server error? |
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| 09:15.04 | Beth | pie!! |
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| 09:20.49 | wethrin | mozrat: mci.com works |
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| 10:11.25 | Tarragon | Kung Shi Fa Zai! |
| 10:13.57 | Leeds | since when? |
| 10:14.24 | Tarragon | Today surely? |
| 10:46.13 | highbury | morning |
| 10:47.03 | Beth | hiya |
| 10:49.01 | murb | moin |
| 10:52.41 | Beth | LOL SOMEONE HELP PLS |
| 10:53.58 | highbury | with what? |
| 10:54.23 | Beth | must have done something wrong, coz am automatically ignoring for 10 min |
| 10:54.24 | wethrin | Your caps lock key is stuck down. Please fix it :) |
| 10:54.36 | wethrin | Ah. Use a different IRC client :) |
| 10:54.42 | Beth | I USE AT WORK, DATA, FORGET SOMETIMES. :p |
| 10:54.50 | wethrin | Or, if you have to use BitchX, /set flood_protection off |
| 10:55.42 | Beth | wethrin : u know me and pc. |
| 10:55.47 | Beth | oil and water |
| 10:55.54 | Beth | thank you!! |
| 10:56.08 | highbury | rather like you and English? |
| 10:56.25 | Beth | highbury : hit me where it hurts.... |
| 10:56.30 | murb | highbury: now lets not be rude so early in the morning. |
| 10:56.47 | Beth | murb: thank you *mwah* |
| 10:59.04 | highbury | its nearly afternoon! |
| 10:59.12 | highbury | well lunchtime |
| 11:03.58 | Leeds | ibot change 0.059 usd to gbp |
| 11:04.14 | Leeds | cool :-) |
| 11:05.49 | zachary | Once again Leeds, not cool. I often ponder weather to take a picknic basket to the restraunts when going out on the weekend. |
| 11:07.45 | zachary | For pub meets, I'm thinking of brewing my own beer. |
| 11:10.40 | Leeds | you can't really beat all-you-can-eat for a fiver... |
| 11:10.53 | Leeds | anyway... anyone come across allofmp3.com? |
| 11:12.32 | zachary | Leeds: The vegitarian tia/chineese restaraunt on Euston Rd? |
| 11:12.57 | Beth | bROUGHT UP VERY SIMILARLY. |
| 11:13.02 | Beth | LOL |
| 11:13.17 | Leeds | zachary: yes |
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| 11:14.49 | zachary | Leeds: YUK! Ok so it maybe kosher, but I prefer a bit of burnt flesh in life. |
| 11:14.50 | Nutshell | mornin all |
| 11:17.06 | Tarragon | Moin Nutshell |
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| 11:17.08 | Leeds | zachary: well... meat costs more... |
| 11:19.15 | zachary | And well worth it! May need to find another restraunt Indian curry and Chineese are getting a bit boring. |
| 11:19.35 | zachary | kids, rrrrr! |
| 11:19.40 | zachary | brb |
| 11:20.00 | Nutshell | ho dear no Wigan & St'Helens meeting this month :( |
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| 11:23.37 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 11:24.24 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: that cheap wifi card you were talking about a few days back... how much was it? |
| 11:27.28 | Tarragon | Leeds How much is it for a single track on allofmp3? Are they allowed to split and sell music like that? |
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| 11:28.05 | Leeds | Tarragon: I don't know how they do it... all they charge is 1c per Mb downloaded! |
| 11:28.18 | Leeds | they claim to have a Russian, at least, license to do that |
| 11:28.59 | murb | Leeds: haha |
| 11:29.11 | murb | the law in russia is about plagrism, not copyright. |
| 11:29.51 | Leeds | yes, probably |
| 11:30.11 | murb | rember books.ru? |
| 11:30.26 | Leeds | nope |
| 11:30.54 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: it was 12.99 |
| 11:31.17 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: ah, okay... because I was in Maplins yesterday and I thought it had gone *down* to 12.99 |
| 11:31.32 | jason_ukfsn | it was about £20 before |
| 11:31.39 | jason_ukfsn | I paid £12.99 though |
| 11:31.46 | Leeds | does it work? :-) |
| 11:32.29 | jason_ukfsn | I've stopped trying. I did get the driver to load and iwconfig to configure the card however ifconfig caused a complete system hang. |
| 11:32.48 | Leeds | lovely |
| 11:32.58 | jason_ukfsn | The PCI BIOS in my laptop is only v2.1 and I think the card may require a 2.2+ version :( |
| 11:33.24 | Leeds | ah |
| 11:33.31 | jason_ukfsn | I need to try it with a newer kernel as well though to be sure (I was using a 2.4.20) |
| 11:34.09 | jason_ukfsn | also I am unsure if my AP actually works or not as I've never used it. |
| 11:35.24 | Leeds | yeah, you might want to check that |
| 11:37.01 | jason_ukfsn | unfortunately the only way I can test it is to try it and I cannot do that without a working card :) |
| 11:38.43 | zachary | jason_ukfsn: Bring the setup on saturday. I can bring a few cards(netgear and proxim) and possible my ap. can do some trouble shooting. |
| 11:41.04 | jason_ukfsn | zachary: I can bring one of the cards however I wont bring my laptop as I always forget it when I am near alcohol - last night I was in Coventry giving the "how to be an ISP" talk to the CompSoc LUG at Warwick and I left the danm thing in the bar when we left. I did get it back when I remembered an hour later and nobody had stolen it but I don't think the same would be true in London |
| 11:43.23 | Cope | Hi jason_ukfsn |
| 11:43.31 | Cope | hi zachary |
| 11:43.35 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 11:43.39 | Cope | Anyone else... |
| 11:43.46 | Nutshell | me :) |
| 11:44.38 | Cope | 'lo |
| 11:44.44 | zachary | hey Cope, |
| 11:44.47 | jason_ukfsn | hi Cope |
| 11:46.29 | jason_ukfsn | hmm, I've just found a site that has a "newbie" howto for these cards that addresses some issues on Debian/Knoppix I was unaware of so I'm going to try it again with the new info. |
| 11:46.40 | zachary | jason_ukfsn: What chipset does the wifi card have? |
| 11:49.16 | murb | Cope: install web cam at home. |
| 11:49.37 | murb | (then you could even do remote child minding!!) |
| 11:49.46 | jason_ukfsn | zachary: it's the TI acx100 chip which is known to be "interesting" |
| 11:49.48 | Leeds | hey Cope |
| 11:49.57 | murb | jason_ukfsn: urgle |
| 11:49.57 | Leeds | ibot acs100 |
| 11:50.00 | | i haven't a clue, Leeds |
| 11:50.02 | Leeds | ibot acx100 |
| 11:50.06 | | Leeds: are you using Windows? |
| 11:50.10 | Leeds | bah |
| 11:50.10 | murb | I recommend avoiding those cards. |
| 11:50.21 | Leeds | I think AndiM over on #handhelds.org is working on that stuff |
| 11:50.33 | murb | the avalible drivers is hmm buggy to say the very least. |
| 11:50.46 | murb | s/s//' |
| 11:50.50 | jason_ukfsn | murb: there is a Free Software driver as well as the binary one. |
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| 11:51.03 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I'm talking about the freesoftware one. |
| 11:51.12 | murb | from acx100.sf.net i belive. |
| 11:51.21 | jason_ukfsn | yes. |
| 11:51.39 | jason_ukfsn | I'm about to try a couple of things mentioned at http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
| 11:51.49 | jason_ukfsn | I'm trying to get it working with Knoppix |
| 11:51.59 | murb | well good luck to you. |
| 11:52.12 | formi | hello |
| 11:52.36 | formi | jason_ukfsn: what's your opinion on those new BT sdsl packages? |
| 11:52.43 | jason_ukfsn | I had the driver loaded OK before however i was unaware of the fact that it should not be allowed to load as wlan0 due to wlan-ng stuff in Knoppix |
| 11:53.12 | Tarragon | jason_ukfsn: http://wlan.kewl.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7&forum=4 is that the card? |
| 11:55.11 | jason_ukfsn | yes |
| 11:55.56 | murb | ip link set wlan0 name acx0 ? |
| 11:56.00 | Beth | *not |
| 11:56.34 | murb | Beth: ? |
| 12:02.31 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: the slackware instructions provided in the doc you linked to are 9.0 specific, 9.1 has a separate /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf file for network configuration. |
| 12:04.10 | jason_ukfsn | evangineer: I didn't write that document - it just looks more complete that anything else I've seen for this card. |
| 12:04.42 | evangineer | good grief, there are 31 people on the channel, is that a channel record. |
| 12:05.03 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: I know, I was just making an observation. |
| 12:10.01 | formi | evangineer: # of nicks != # of real people next to their computers |
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| 12:15.22 | evangineer | formi: I thought of that as I was typing the above, but wasn't in the mood to be that pedantic! |
| 12:16.01 | evangineer | eg. quite a few are marked as away. |
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| 12:17.52 | formi | i personally consider slightly rude, leaving the irc program running when go away from the machine for a long period without marking yourself away |
| 12:20.52 | evangineer | formi: I try to avoid doing that myself, but don't always remember to. |
| 12:21.56 | formi | obviously some of us are semi-human |
| 12:24.38 | evangineer | semi-human, that's a new one. You're not implying that some gllug members are terminators are you? ;-) |
| 12:25.23 | evangineer | Although, I did accuse SpudULike of being a bot onetime! |
| 12:25.25 | formi | have you met most of us? |
| 12:25.38 | evangineer | not yet. |
| 12:26.11 | formi | well.. no comment |
| 12:26.40 | evangineer | nuff said |
| 12:38.36 | evangineer | Do any irc clients have a auto-away timeout feature whereby if you haven't input anything for a certain period of time, it marks you as away. |
| 12:39.11 | formi | i suppose, it's a standard feature in most IM clients |
| 12:39.31 | evangineer | I've looked through the xchat preferences and it doesn't have such a feature. |
| 12:40.49 | evangineer | gaim does have auto-away |
| 12:42.21 | formi | i just checked my xchat and found nothing, there probably is an option hiden somewhere |
| 12:53.06 | irvined | evangineer, i think xchat has autoaway, istr it autoawaying me once |
| 12:54.12 | formi | irvined: which version are you using? the old 1.x had many features that no longer seem to be around |
| 12:54.56 | irvined | 2.0.5 |
| 12:55.01 | irvined | formi, yes, i've noticed that too. |
| 12:57.58 | formi | 2.0.7 here, it was gnome dumbing crusade |
| 13:03.24 | evangineer | irvined: I'm on 2.0.5 and haven't seen it autoaway me once. |
| 13:07.10 | evangineer | "Backported HTTP authentication code from 1.8.11 (you can now specify a username and password for HTTP proxies).", hmm - shouldn't that be forward-porting? |
| 13:08.18 | jason_ukfsn | re the binatone Ti based wireless card - well I've discovered that in the short time since I downloaded the driver source from sf the author has released more recent versions on another site so I'm trying those right now. |
| 13:09.27 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: thanks for keeping us informed |
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| 13:16.52 | rhowe | whee |
| 13:17.49 | evangineer | rhowe: which one have you got? |
| 13:18.06 | rhowe | ev Vendor: PIONEER Model: CD-ROM DRM-624X Rev: 1.04 |
| 13:18.07 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.19 | rhowe | evangineer: it's an old one that was lying around the server room. Slow, but appears functional |
| 13:20.23 | formi | 624X shouldn't be that slow! :-> |
| 13:20.37 | rhowe | It's only a 4x drive |
| 13:20.53 | rhowe | sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 4x/4x xa/form2 cdda caddy |
| 13:20.55 | formi | did you hear about somebody who got a speeding fine for driving at 406mph? |
| 13:21.11 | rhowe | Yup |
| 13:21.21 | irvined | formi, yeah, you would think somebody somewhere would have double checked that before it went out. |
| 13:21.30 | irvined | but alas the scameraships need to make money some how i guess. |
| 13:22.41 | formi | nope, i think it was a typo by a human, the car was a peugeot 406 |
| 13:22.57 | evangineer | hmm - Yahoo are finding that spammers are reacting to their anti-spam filters within a space of two hours. |
| 13:23.08 | ar | someone was sent a nip at 50 odd mph, when he was actually doing something like 13 mph |
| 13:23.08 | formi | probably the person in question was faking the fine |
| 13:24.16 | rhowe | SCSI cdrom error : host 0 channel 0 id 4 lun 4 return code = 8000002 |
| 13:24.16 | rhowe | Info fld=0x2c, Current sd0b:04: sense key Hardware Error |
| 13:24.16 | rhowe | Additional sense indicates Tracking servo failure |
| 13:24.25 | rhowe | Hm, that looks quite bad |
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| 13:27.47 | RobertM | Anyone actually here or is everyone sleeping? |
| 13:28.18 | rhowe | sleeping |
| 13:28.30 | rhowe | Definately sleeping |
| 13:28.40 | RobertM | Wish I was. |
| 13:28.44 | resuDaed | sleeping (*cough*) working |
| 13:28.50 | formi | RobertM: would there be any other reason to be in this channel appart from a nap? |
| 13:29.01 | rhowe | sleepi^Wmonitoring servers |
| 13:29.19 | formi | well in my case "galician siesta" |
| 13:30.09 | RobertM | I just stumbled in here from the gllug website.. Decided to actually check out some the local lug's |
| 13:31.26 | stephen | cool :) |
| 13:31.37 | evangineer | RobertM: take it you know about the meet next Saturday |
| 13:32.25 | Nutshell | stephen is it yourself that was compiling gentoo the other day ? |
| 13:32.34 | stephen | yer |
| 13:32.43 | Nutshell | how did it go ? |
| 13:32.54 | stephen | fine, system is working perfectly |
| 13:33.07 | Nutshell | good :) |
| 13:33.13 | stephen | however it has locked up twice while I was compiling OpenOffice 1.1.0 |
| 13:33.35 | Nutshell | OpenOffice it a big that |
| 13:33.46 | Nutshell | *one* |
| 13:33.48 | Leeds | RobertM: yeah, come along on Saturday :-) |
| 13:34.27 | formi | RobertM: what's your *nix experience? |
| 13:37.47 | Nutshell | Question : my ISP only allows me to connect one machine to the modem so if i use a server to connect to the net could i connect other machines to the net through the server and have say two machines using the net at the same time |
| 13:38.02 | Nutshell | sorry for it being so long winded |
| 13:38.41 | stephen | yep, use Network Address Translation |
| 13:38.51 | evangineer | Nutshell: Yes, I'm doing that right now |
| 13:38.59 | RobertM | Nutshell: sounds like you need a router that will do NAT for you |
| 13:39.20 | stephen | there's probably 8 machines in my house, but all access the net from a single external IP address |
| 13:40.11 | Nutshell | thanks all |
| 13:40.32 | RobertM | I have a similar setup. My router does port forwarding to the various machines that I want accessable to the outside work through 1 IP |
| 13:41.13 | Nutshell | My ISP only allow's one mac address to be used |
| 13:41.30 | evangineer | Nutshell: the type of NAT that I do is called IP Masquerading, you can find a good howto for it at http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/ipmasq/c-html/index.html |
| 13:41.33 | RobertM | Nutshell: with a router doing NAT youw ill only have 1 MAC |
| 13:41.51 | stephen | Nutshell: it doesn't matter, all the requests from your internal network will appear to come from one IP address and one MAC address |
| 13:42.15 | formi | Nutshell: if you have a spare little machine there are many floppy distros that are quite easy to use |
| 13:42.47 | Nutshell | should be buying 3 machines next week :) |
| 13:43.23 | RobertM | You only need a little 233mhz for a floppy firewall (and even that is a bit over kill) |
| 13:43.40 | Nutshell | evangineer thanks for the link will read it later |
| 13:44.26 | Nutshell | will be using 1 computer for internet and printer sharing |
| 13:44.32 | formi | RobertM: 386 + coprocessor good enough, if you don't plan a 100mbit network |
| 13:45.31 | RobertM | yeah true.. but geez, you do want it to boot a little faster :0 |
| 13:46.11 | Nutshell | the server will be left on all the time |
| 13:46.19 | formi | boot the router pc, what a strange idea! where did you get it from? |
| 13:46.29 | Nutshell | i just want to boot it and leave it |
| 13:47.31 | formi | usually an old laptop is a nice choice, if you have/can get one really cheap |
| 13:47.49 | RobertM | Nutshell: I take you are a cable user if your having MAC restrictions? |
| 13:48.03 | Nutshell | at one time was thinking of using an xbox |
| 13:48.09 | formi | from the point of power usage |
| 13:48.32 | Nutshell | RobertM yes |
| 13:48.39 | formi | blueyonder user |
| 13:48.45 | formi | i am one as well |
| 13:48.49 | Nutshell | formi yes |
| 13:49.07 | Nutshell | formi north ? |
| 13:49.20 | RobertM | on ADSL we don't have those sorts of restrictions.. sort of nice I suppose.. |
| 13:49.26 | evangineer | Nutshell: my box has been up for 10 days (rebooted for a kernel upgrade). How's that for boot it and leave it. |
| 13:50.12 | formi | check http://formi.sdf-eu.org/gear/pftop1.jpg |
| 13:50.21 | Nutshell | evangineer : my box would have been up for 6 day's untill it started playing up |
| 13:50.23 | Leeds | richardc@cheese:~$ uptime |
| 13:50.23 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.37 | murb | downtime |
| 13:51.00 | formi | Leeds: you are becoming a bit predictable!! :-) |
| 13:51.05 | Nutshell | i think my bios are over heating ? |
| 13:51.05 | evangineer | Leeds: what no kernel upgrades? |
| 13:51.52 | Nutshell | formi: i like it |
| 13:52.05 | formi | bit messy though |
| 13:52.19 | Nutshell | as long as it work's :) |
| 13:52.44 | evangineer | formi: don't! resuDaed will start linking his machine pics! ;-) |
| 13:53.38 | formi | evangineer: can you refrase that sentence? |
| 13:54.38 | evangineer | Posting pics like those will encourage resuDaed to post pics of his machines! |
| 13:54.56 | evangineer | Then you'd see a real mess! |
| 13:55.21 | formi | "his", that is open to discussion, at least in one instance |
| 13:57.05 | evangineer | time to make lunch, brb. |
| 13:57.59 | formi | evangineer: don't eat them! |
| 13:59.56 | formi | http://img.osnews.com/img/3820/sfu4.png |
| 14:00.07 | formi | very dodgy indeed!! |
| 14:03.02 | Tarragon | Add M$ functionality to be able to telnet |
| 14:04.27 | stephen | my uni's servers are still accessed through telnet, not SSH access |
| 14:04.27 | *** join/#gllug evangineer_ (~evanginee@spc1-seve3-4-0-cust13.lond.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 14:04.36 | stephen | even though some of their network is still on hubs, not switches |
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| 14:04.48 | *** join/#gllug formi_ (~formi@82-35-38-96.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:05.38 | formi_ | that will have the OpenBSD guys jumping like mad |
| 14:06.40 | formi_ | and some people wondering if the millions given to SCrap by M$hit, where just so they could call it SFUnix |
| 14:09.39 | evangineer_ | formi: the thing about SFU is that it is a classic Microsoft "embrace and extend" maneuver designed to lock corporates into Active Directory just like Win2000 Kerberos implementation. |
| 14:09.40 | Leeds | they can't call it UNIX |
| 14:11.01 | RobertM | Anyone know why dedicated servers in the UK are so much more then those offered in the US? I have a server in Texas that I pay about £60 a month and get 700GB a month of bandwidth and a 12.5Mbps connection.. the same from a UK provider would run you a small fortune |
| 14:11.31 | jason_ukfsn | because the costs of providing the service is far higher in the UK. |
| 14:12.05 | murb | RobertM: do you host stuff on this machine? |
| 14:12.09 | formi_ | this is the land of the big "rip-off" |
| 14:12.12 | jason_ukfsn | hardware costs more here, bandwidth costs more, etc |
| 14:12.19 | murb | if so who is your target audiance, and where are they based. |
| 14:12.21 | murb | formi_: not really. |
| 14:12.21 | RobertM | Yeah I have loads of sites hosted on it |
| 14:12.37 | murb | formi_: you just don't get the economies of scale that you have in the USA |
| 14:12.40 | formi_ | probably also because u$ cos make a huge benefit here |
| 14:13.45 | RobertM | I am even looking for a decent solution so that I can buy my own server and host it in the UK (London if possible), gives me the freedom of upgrading anything at will.. but the cost is insane |
| 14:14.10 | stephen | some places do good deals if you don't use much bandwidth |
| 14:14.13 | murb | RobertM: well I've used both jason_ukfsn service and blackcatnetworks |
| 14:14.18 | murb | both have been fine. |
| 14:14.49 | murb | RobertM: how much bandwidth do you actually use? |
| 14:14.50 | formi_ | tell me about the economies of scale they have in Sweden, and the prices of XXmbit connections in there |
| 14:15.28 | stephen | company I work for offers colocation in Telehouse Docklands, but the price per unit of rackspace is a bit more expensive than in other datacentres |
| 14:15.38 | murb | formi_: have you ever had to deal with telia? to get a line installed in .se? |
| 14:15.39 | RobertM | murb: It depends on if I'm really trying to get my 700GB worth out of the machine :) I host a Cygwin mirror that really does the most damage to the bandwith |
| 14:16.07 | RobertM | stephen: is that for the machine as well or just the slot? |
| 14:16.08 | murb | RobertM: well I'm paying 500 quid a year for 1U+ 40gb of traffic a month. |
| 14:16.23 | murb | with exccess at 1 pound / mb |
| 14:16.35 | formi_ | murb: let me think, no. Well ask somebody in the Highlands about BT |
| 14:16.52 | murb | with serial console and a remote power switch. |
| 14:16.56 | murb | formi: your point is? |
| 14:17.03 | stephen | RobertM: that gets you the rackspace to install the server in. bandwidth is charged separately |
| 14:17.46 | formi_ | murb: everything in this country is a bit overpriced, to say the least |
| 14:18.00 | murb | form: what do you mean by over priced? |
| 14:18.18 | RobertM | I currently use www.ev1servers.net .. I've been happy with them, but I have no physical access to the machine as it's theirs.. I'd like to have a machien I can do hardware upgrades too |
| 14:18.56 | formi_ | murb: next saturday, I'll pay you the liquid I owe you and we discuss it |
| 14:19.23 | RobertM | murb: yeah 40G/mth would never cut it for me.. so far in Jan I've done 529 Gb |
| 14:19.25 | murb | RobertM: that price doesn't include a server. |
| 14:19.49 | murb | RobertM: do you have to run a mirror on your machine? |
| 14:20.15 | RobertM | murb: No not at all.. but I use cygwin all the time so figured I'd give it back to the community. |
| 14:20.59 | formi_ | hosting is even cheaper in .es |
| 14:21.10 | stephen | yes, it's expensive in the UK |
| 14:21.30 | RobertM | yeah looking at the various linux mags for hosting prices.. it's insane here |
| 14:22.33 | stephen | better thing would be to get a fixed-speed connection, like a megabit. Then you won't suddenly find that you've pushed more data than you were allowed and end up a hefty bill at the end of the month |
| 14:23.54 | formi | when I was back home I heard about people renting hosting in there and then using uk domain name companies |
| 14:25.00 | formi | buying .es domains is expensive and highly bureaucratic |
| 14:25.36 | stephen | I looked into getting a .bo, but it suffers from the same problem |
| 14:25.54 | RobertM | .bo is what Borneo? |
| 14:26.00 | stephen | bolivia |
| 14:26.03 | RobertM | ahh |
| 14:27.47 | RobertM | anyone got linux working on a dell 8600 notebooK? |
| 14:28.46 | formi | not mua |
| 14:29.23 | RobertM | the other issue is the wifi.. I run 802.11a and support is not great |
| 14:29.44 | Leeds | 802.11a??? I didn't think that was legal in this country... |
| 14:30.18 | RobertM | yeah sure it is.. |
| 14:30.46 | RobertM | it's still (or was last I looked) provisional, but legal. I bought the kit last year (April or so) |
| 14:31.45 | RobertM | my notebook actually has b/g built in an I use a a/b/g card to support the A side of things. |
| 14:31.54 | RobertM | 2 seperate AP's 1 x a/b and 1 x b/g |
| 14:33.19 | RobertM | I live in RF central.. along with the wifi I also have 4 Bluetooth devices transmitting about the house also.. haha might explain the voices I hear in my teeth |
| 14:33.28 | Leeds | my notebook (powerbook) has b/g which is why I was looking at g :-) |
| 14:33.39 | Leeds | I've only got 3 bluetooth things... |
| 14:34.08 | RobertM | thats more then most ;) |
| 14:34.36 | Leeds | phone, PDA, laptop |
| 14:34.59 | RobertM | me too, just add 1 desktop machine with a 100m USB widget |
| 14:35.36 | RobertM | oh and a BT GPS now too.. very nice little toy |
| 14:38.38 | Leeds | I can't persude myself I have any use for GPS |
| 14:39.36 | formi | Leeds: i could persuade you |
| 14:39.52 | Leeds | how? |
| 14:40.08 | formi | or at least try, as long as you give to me afterwards! |
| 14:41.56 | Leeds | heh |
| 14:42.58 | resuDaed | jason_ukfsn : do you provide non-registration based dialup? we need to check modems and need someone to dial up |
| 14:43.30 | formi | dial to your mobile |
| 14:44.06 | Leeds | resuDaed: yes, he does |
| 14:44.19 | resuDaed | Leeds : you got details? |
| 14:44.53 | Leeds | Jan 16 18:55:46 <jason_ukfsn> yes. The number is 0845 121 3852 |
| 14:45.01 | Leeds | Jan 16 18:56:49 <jason_ukfsn> not a problem - just remember it for the next time you need dialup. If you don't need web/email with it just use signup/signup as the login |
| 14:46.49 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: we're just talking about you :-) |
| 14:46.53 | jason_ukfsn | resuDaed: if you use the details Leeds has kindly provided it should provide you with simple Internet access - you just cannot use our services |
| 14:46.59 | jason_ukfsn | I noticed Leeds. thanks. |
| 14:49.29 | RobertM | Leeds: I use the GPS for an in car nav system with my Palm pilot.. works very nicely |
| 14:50.42 | RobertM | you can also use: 0845 123 203 gammaray-tech/gammaray-tech for user/pass |
| 14:50.56 | RobertM | sorry, there's a 4 ont eh end of that number.. stupid cut and paste |
| 14:52.56 | jason_ukfsn | resuDaed: the number Leeds gave you is for ISDN dialup. If you want to use analogue modem kit then use 0845 123 1720 - the same (signup/signup) login applies |
| 14:53.20 | jason_ukfsn | RobertM: I guess we both use the same telco for dialup port provision ;) |
| 14:53.38 | Leeds | oh, sorry |
| 14:54.38 | RobertM | jason_ukfsn: hah yeah I think so :) |
| 14:58.39 | jason_ukfsn | no problem Leeds it wouldn't be a problem except that the ISDN number maps through to kit better suited to dual channel ISDN calls. It would still work for analogue. |
| 15:11.26 | rhowe | RobertM: Just go to uni, and stay in networked halls - cheapest bandwidth you'll get :) |
| 15:11.49 | RobertM | haha yeah.. but I'm too old for Uni.. |
| 15:11.53 | stephen | quite true rhowe :) |
| 15:11.58 | murb | rhowe: not really |
| 15:12.00 | rhowe | RobertM: Nobody's too old for uni :) |
| 15:12.06 | murb | not if you include rent and tution fees |
| 15:12.36 | RobertM | yeah but when you get this old and start skulking around the hallowed coed halls of Uni you're labled a perv :) |
| 15:12.45 | rhowe | murb: I had 10Mbit half duplex, uncapped, for a total of around 4100/year, which included meals, rent and bils |
| 15:13.05 | RobertM | haha |
| 15:13.07 | rhowe | murb: Of course, the bandwidth was the main attraction :) |
| 15:13.32 | stephen | I paid ~£3500 last year, plus £2/week for a 10mbps full duplex connection |
| 15:13.49 | rhowe | stephen: Including meals, rent and all bills? :) |
| 15:13.50 | Tarragon | Coed halls? Gosh times have changed |
| 15:13.57 | stephen | yes rhowe |
| 15:14.06 | rhowe | stephen: Hm, not bad |
| 15:14.11 | rhowe | stephen: In London? |
| 15:14.22 | stephen | of course not :p Oxford |
| 15:14.36 | rhowe | It had 'close relations' with the only two all-female halls though, so we were rather outnumbered |
| 15:14.50 | rhowe | Sarah had the misfortune to end up in one of those two :) |
| 15:18.07 | Leeds | we had single-sex corridors... |
| 15:21.37 | RobertM | Leeds: What all the singles would gather and sex each other up in the corridors? |
| 15:21.56 | Leeds | yes, approximately |
| 15:22.05 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: single sex - is that masterbation? |
| 15:24.54 | RobertM | I have 1000 HK$, but that's about it |
| 15:25.34 | Leeds | I don't think I've got any HK$ left... |
| 15:25.42 | Leeds | a few coins, maybe |
| 15:26.52 | rhowe | RobertM: Hm.. I was looking for a bit more than that |
| 15:27.21 | rhowe | RobertM: But still.. if you give me a better rate than M&S... :) |
| 15:27.23 | RobertM | haha yeah I figured as much.. |
| 15:27.30 | Nutshell | rhowe: you still going in Febuary ? |
| 15:27.47 | rhowe | ibot convert 120 gbp to hkd |
| 15:27.54 | rhowe | Nutshell: Yep |
| 15:28.23 | RobertM | it would likely be better to buy it over in HK, they will be willing to give a better exchange rate |
| 15:28.34 | jason_ukfsn | ibot convert to islam |
| 15:28.41 | Nutshell | lol |
| 15:29.08 | rhowe | RobertM: Hm, probably |
| 15:29.11 | jason_ukfsn | apparently that's an invalid format and there is no help for it |
| 15:32.40 | rhowe | bah, trying to access the M&S site in Galeon directs you to http://www.marksandspencer.com/disallowed2.html |
| 15:33.11 | jason_ukfsn | ibot make Leeds insane |
| 15:33.17 | | make: *** No rule to make target `Leeds insane'. Stop. |
| 15:33.27 | Leeds | ibot make love |
| 15:33.31 | | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 15:33.31 | RobertM | it use to do that for Mozilla too.. iritates me to no end these IE only websites.. and for what reason? |
| 15:33.37 | Leeds | rhowe: I thought they'd fixed that |
| 15:33.55 | rhowe | Leeds: It would seem not |
| 15:34.01 | Leeds | well, yes |
| 15:34.38 | rhowe | RobertM: It says I need IE or Netscape 7.0, which is actually an older release of the Gecko engine than I'm running in Galeon. Fuckers. |
| 15:35.30 | RobertM | yeah I know, it makes no sense. I sent M&S a real nasty email about it once. If I can use Mozilla for my banking surely I can look at their crap website with it |
| 15:36.15 | jason_ukfsn | ibot make M&S clueful |
| 15:36.19 | | make: *** No rule to make target `M&S clueful'. Stop. |
| 15:58.56 | Leeds | well, it looks like UnitedLinux is officially dead |
| 15:59.00 | Leeds | wethrin killed it |
| 15:59.26 | RobertM | UnitedLinux? |
| 15:59.29 | Leeds | yes |
| 15:59.34 | RobertM | what's that? |
| 15:59.35 | Leeds | or, rather... no :-) |
| 15:59.41 | stephen | it's dead -already-? |
| 15:59.53 | RobertM | or rather, what *was* that |
| 16:00.17 | stephen | an alliance between some large linux companies, but didn't include Redhat |
| 16:00.25 | RobertM | ahh |
| 16:00.29 | Leeds | it was an attempt, started a couple of years ago, at an anyone-but-RedHat Linux consortium - the idea was that the component companies would work on a base distribution together, then provide value-add on top |
| 16:00.48 | Leeds | the 4 companies involved were SUSE (now Novell), SCO (now evil), TurboLinux and Connectiva |
| 16:01.09 | jason_ukfsn | The whole project was doomed from the start |
| 16:01.16 | Leeds | in practice, it was SUSE working on the base distro |
| 16:01.20 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: of course it was :-) |
| 16:01.26 | jason_ukfsn | By specifically setting up as "anyone but RH" they excluded the biggest player |
| 16:01.46 | jason_ukfsn | and that's a great way to screw yourself right up - particularly in a co-operative market |
| 16:01.53 | RobertM | yeah but RH isn't really a team player.. just look what they've done to the world user community |
| 16:02.20 | Leeds | RobertM: all they've done is set their base stuff free, surely? |
| 16:02.23 | RobertM | after the early days of RH it took a long time for me to trust them as a distro.. as soon as I do they decide they want to screw everyone |
| 16:02.45 | jason_ukfsn | RobertM: RH have a far more community friendly policy than most other distros |
| 16:02.57 | RobertM | it is free, but after several years of a decently supported product they cut it all off. |
| 16:04.34 | jason_ukfsn | RobertM: perhaps they simply recognised that it makes more sense - both commercially and from a community perspective for the non-Enterprise version to be community supported. |
| 16:05.04 | jason_ukfsn | Most of those who have dropped RH as a result see, from what I can see, to have switched to Debian so company support cannot have been very important to them |
| 16:05.43 | stephen | anyone played with SATA under Linux? Is it still a minefield? |
| 16:05.52 | RobertM | perhaps.. but I think it was a real blow to the idea of Linux on the desktop.. they had a great product, great support for it and then turned it off. Enterprise isn't badly priced, but for small shops looking for fully supported package for desktop it's a bit much |
| 16:06.14 | murb | stephen: mine field? |
| 16:06.27 | murb | stephen: bit of a pain to do the installation due to no boot disks, but fine after that. |
| 16:06.40 | stephen | okay |
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| 16:07.25 | anth | The old RH distro going away is annoying, but then I don't want to pay for any software so theres no reason for them to care about me. They've given away a lot of software so I can't see any reason to dislike them |
| 16:13.47 | RobertM | Persoanlly I didn't mind paying RH the $60/year for support (especailly for my servers).. it sure bette the "free" updates from Micro$hite |
| 16:17.14 | Leeds | RobertM: nasrat is an unpaid employee of RedHat :-) |
| 16:17.22 | murb | assuming gllug is this saturday |
| 16:17.32 | RobertM | haha I wish I could be there :) |
| 16:17.37 | Leeds | murb: ? |
| 16:17.52 | murb | Leeds: other event in london with beer and people. |
| 16:17.58 | Leeds | what other event? |
| 16:18.22 | RobertM | if nasrat noticed I was actually mostly supportive of RH, however their deciding to dump all it's users in liu of enterprise only I think was a bit of a shot in the foot |
| 16:18.36 | Cope | Evening |
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| 16:18.53 | Leeds | Cope: happy Easter |
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| 16:29.17 | evangineer | Anybody using Dasher on a Zaurus? |
| 16:29.30 | evangineer | Cope: Evening |
| 16:30.02 | evangineer | RobertM: I share your opinion on RH |
| 16:33.12 | RobertM | yeah it's a shame. They finally got a good support system inplace (at a reasonable cost) then took it away :( I run RH 9 on my office notebook and enjoy the knowledge that 24 hours after a new hole hits the security lists I know my machine wil be updated when I get to the office in the morning |
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| 16:34.19 | murb | maybe it wasn't profitable. |
| 16:36.39 | RobertM | I think it could have been alright if they a) pushed like hell for the Enterprise stuff offering much better support for that end of things so people would buy it were appropriate and b) dropped the $60 to say $40 or something, more home/SOHO users would taken it up I think. |
| 16:37.21 | RobertM | if I a previously devoted and total RH hater bought into it, I'm sure loads of other RH lovers would have done it too |
| 16:43.52 | Tarragon | Leeds: Other events this Saturday include the Monopoly board pub crawl (Gllug msg 12/01/03 Pete Ryland) and the Media Hacklabs (Gllug msg 13/01/03 North London John) |
| 16:45.21 | Leeds | Tarragon: ah well... |
| 17:01.06 | rhowe | bleh, Southwark exchange just went tits up. No SDSL for the past 30mins |
| 17:04.10 | RobertM | Man, the Reg is reporting that punters sent some 20 billion text messages last year in the UK, 20,000,000,000 x 10p each.. |
| 17:07.39 | RobertM | well it's time to go home I guess.. |
| 17:08.12 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:08.23 | Tarragon | £2Billion for 60M people is £33 each |
| 17:08.51 | Tarragon | I did about £5 so someone is going to get a big bill |
| 17:09.02 | RobertM | haha |
| 17:09.44 | RobertM | I've hated vodafone since they decided the cost to send an SMS from the Uk to Canada wasn't worth 10p and now charge me like 24p each.. |
| 17:10.15 | Tarragon | I think in USA they pay to recieve |
| 17:11.38 | murb | RobertM: whilst while i was roaming in .de it was > 50p |
| 17:12.15 | murb | and i recived a voice call without any sound and got charged 3 quid for about 2 minutes. |
| 17:12.39 | RobertM | ick.. that sucks |
| 17:12.58 | murb | although apparently they could hear me. |
| 17:13.22 | RobertM | yeah in the US and some services in Canada charge for both send and receive.. my friend in Canada has to pay to receive and in the first 3 weeks with his new account he got like 20 spams .. he complained and had them reversed |
| 17:13.37 | RobertM | the spammers would send to <random number>@provider |
| 17:15.00 | Tarragon | I have had people dial me by accident, when their phone is in their pocket. I also did it once and dialled a French Radio station, which is now why my phone has a hard cover |
| 17:15.15 | murb | tango.lu introduce yourphonenumber.secret@sms.tango.lu to stop that. |
| 17:15.19 | murb | they didn't warm people in advance though.. |
| 17:15.47 | murb | nor did they bother to generate bounces. |
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| 17:17.07 | RobertM | that's not a bad idea though.. it would keep the spam down |
| 17:19.27 | RobertM | Right, now it's time to leave.. have a good one folks |
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| 17:26.52 | *** part/#gllug formi (~formi@82-35-38-96.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:38.36 | Leeds | cheeky: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/features/js-linux.html |
| 17:40.47 | Leeds | and oops! apparently the US Mars rover has broken down... |
| 17:41.56 | Leeds | ibot change 29.99 usd to gbp |
| 17:50.55 | rhowe | ibot change 120 gbp to hkd |
| 17:51.09 | rhowe | ibot change 1 gbp to hkd |
| 17:51.19 | Cope | ibot change 5 gbp to 50 gbp |
| 17:51.21 | rhowe | 14.3?! Jesus |
| 17:51.28 | rhowe | Cope: haha |
| 17:51.48 | rhowe | Thomas Cook were having a laugh when they offered me 13.5, and the Post Office offered 13.6 |
| 17:51.56 | rhowe | Anyway, time to see what M&S offer |
| 17:52.10 | rhowe | Whee, flying to .hk in <20 hours |
| 17:52.18 | Cope | woo |
| 17:52.35 | rhowe | And I bought a book on EJB to read on the plane |
| 17:52.45 | Leeds | heh |
| 17:52.47 | rhowe | Plus, Excel Saga vol. 5 arrived today, on DVD |
| 17:53.11 | rhowe | AND, I got photos developed from when Sarah was here last summer |
| 17:53.14 | rhowe | So today is a good day |
| 17:53.32 | Cope | In the last 4 volumes, we followed the adventures of a small-time office clerk, struggling to cope with macro-born viruses. |
| 17:53.50 | rhowe | Today we give up, and shoot her |
| 17:54.06 | rhowe | With a herring |
| 17:54.57 | Cope | because the herring annoyed us |
| 17:55.05 | Cope | and deserved to be shot too |
| 17:55.27 | Leeds | is she a pensioner as well? |
| 17:57.24 | Leeds | (Saga) |
| 17:57.54 | Cope | bdm tsh |
| 17:58.58 | Leeds | I don't know, kids of today and their fancy spreadsheets... in my day, we had an abacus between 5 of us, one piece of paper we had to lick clean between use... |
| 18:02.21 | atrazine | <yorkshire accent> paper! you were lucky </yorkshire accent> |
| 18:03.48 | Leeds | oy, watch it! |
| 18:13.08 | jason_ukfsn | don't forget that kids send LOTS of messages and lots of people get hundreds of "free" texts as part of their package |
| 18:13.11 | jason_ukfsn | get a payg phone with another network |
| 18:13.14 | jason_ukfsn | do you folks have to pay to receive SMS when roaming? I think I do but then I use payg and everything $roaming is incredibly expensive |
| 18:13.16 | jason_ukfsn | well I've had some progress with the Binatone wireless card. |
| 18:13.18 | jason_ukfsn | I can now load the module and configure the card with iwconfig however I still cannot get a connection to the AP (which may not actually be working anyway!) |
| 18:13.21 | jason_ukfsn | I can now configure the card using ifconfig though without the system crashing |
| 18:13.25 | jason_ukfsn | good luck rhowe - has your gf agreed to listen to you? |
| 18:13.27 | Cope | </flood> |
| 18:14.48 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I found i could get the AP to notice me associating with it from the acx100 driver. |
| 18:15.09 | murb | have you used their script which makes mtu etc changes to try and help it work? |
| 18:17.15 | jason_ukfsn | that's the problem I have murb - it doesn't associate with the AP |
| 18:17.46 | jason_ukfsn | The "AP" I have is a 3COM HomeConnect and it's crap from an admin perspective as there is no way to get at it for debugging purposes |
| 18:18.08 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I found having a hostap ap was very good for debugging this |
| 18:18.15 | murb | as the associatino time was very short, but was logged. |
| 18:18.45 | jason_ukfsn | I have lack the hardware to do any more testing :( |
| 18:19.04 | jason_ukfsn | I may bring the laptop and card on Saturday to see if anyone can help sort this out. |
| 18:19.05 | murb | my prismII pcmcia card died :( |
| 18:19.26 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I gave up with the acx100 card i was playing with as a bad job. |
| 18:19.51 | jason_ukfsn | Do you know anywhere selling Prism2 cards fairly cheap? |
| 18:20.28 | Leeds | hostap++ |
| 18:20.29 | murb | no, but I've not looked, as i'm using a pci Prism2 card (about 35 quid) |
| 18:20.45 | murb | from teh computer fares, but not any more |
| 18:20.59 | murb | since they can only sell the lastest flashing 11alphebetical cards |
| 18:21.06 | murb | s/ing/y/ |
| 18:21.21 | Leeds | no, flashing... many have LEDs on them :-) |
| 18:22.19 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: did you say you might be bringing something wireless on Saturday? |
| 18:22.19 | murb | jason_ukfsn: the card i have is a netgear MA311 |
| 18:23.01 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: I'll have my laptop which has built-in b/g and I could have my iPAQ which has CF b |
| 18:23.41 | murb | jason_ukfsn: someone is selling the pci cards on amazon market place for 35 quid |
| 18:24.07 | jason_ukfsn | I am trying to get this accursed acx100 based card working - it doesn't crash the system any more however as I suspect the AP it borked anyway I cannot be sure the acx isn't working. |
| 18:25.16 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: you can get cheap APs... cheap |
| 18:25.27 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I could bring my libretto with hermes AP. |
| 18:25.40 | murb | so you have somthing to test against. |
| 18:25.52 | jason_ukfsn | that would be good murb |
| 18:26.13 | jason_ukfsn | brb - I need to stop the kids killing each other |
| 18:31.34 | wethrin | sdf? |
| 18:31.49 | Leeds | Solaris Development Framework, I assumed... |
| 18:32.10 | wethrin | Maybe :) |
| 18:32.37 | wethrin | Is this a reasonable time to mutter about auto-away messages? :) |
| 18:33.19 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:33.34 | wethrin | E542EMAILS |
| 18:33.53 | Leeds | not EOVERFLOW? |
| 18:33.57 | wethrin | No. It's not overflowing |
| 18:34.16 | wethrin | It'll just take me a bit of time to download |
| 18:35.58 | wethrin | Mmm. PDApie. |
| 18:36.13 | jason_ukfsn | I don't need your steenking autoaway messages |
| 18:36.20 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: um... no |
| 18:36.57 | jason_ukfsn | sdf = stop that! drop it! F***!! |
| 18:37.12 | jason_ukfsn | all things that get shouted at kids |
| 18:37.28 | jason_ukfsn | i suppose that does make them a development framework of a sort ;) |
| 18:37.57 | murb | jason_ukfsn: you should build a peace wall to seperate your kids, it might not stop them hating each other but it will improve their throwing skills. |
| 18:39.09 | jason_ukfsn | LOL murb. They are both learning jujitsu now so there will at least be a level playing field between them |
| 18:40.34 | Cope | I said yes to use whole disk, which is 6G |
| 18:40.40 | jason_ukfsn | I know Cope but I didn't want to say anything |
| 18:41.02 | jason_ukfsn | I'm nice like that |
| 18:41.55 | Cope | Maybe I'm just not used to it, but I think the open bsd disk setup is the most non-intuitive I have ever experienced. |
| 18:42.04 | jason_ukfsn | so what is the source of your confusion just now? |
| 18:42.13 | Cope | The openbsd disk setup |
| 18:42.29 | wethrin | Disklable isn't that bad. |
| 18:42.31 | wethrin | *label |
| 18:42.42 | wethrin | It's almost like fdisk :) |
| 18:42.51 | jason_ukfsn | is it similar to freebsd? |
| 18:43.13 | Cope | wethrin its not remotely like fdisk |
| 18:43.46 | Cope | Anyway, I told it to use the whole disk |
| 18:44.32 | Leeds | it does slices, I assume? |
| 18:45.07 | Cope | When I print the partition table, it seems to have a small one 277M, a swap one 512M and then a 5G one - a, b and e respectively |
| 18:45.19 | Cope | So I try to write it... |
| 18:45.33 | Cope | and it says no label changes |
| 18:48.14 | Cope | Ok - so I've deleted all the partitions and started again. |
| 18:48.29 | Cope | Now I have chosen to use all of wd0 |
| 18:49.00 | Cope | Ok... its made an active OpenBSD MBR partition of type A^ |
| 18:49.03 | Cope | 6 |
| 18:49.18 | Cope | Now I need to make a disklabel |
| 18:49.46 | Cope | p m - shows c at 5729M |
| 18:53.03 | Cope | Hmm ok |
| 18:54.24 | Cope | I think I've cracked it. |
| 18:55.00 | wethrin | Right. c is the whole disk |
| 18:55.08 | wethrin | (or whole partition) |
| 18:55.55 | wethrin | disklabel is horribly different from command-line Linux fdisk, I've found |
| 18:56.29 | Cope | yes, that's what's throwing me |
| 18:57.00 | Cope | c is the whole disk - all of which I have allocated to bsd |
| 18:57.52 | wethrin | Pedantically, c is the whole partition |
| 18:58.06 | wethrin | You've just happened to make the partition the same size as the disc |
| 18:58.24 | wethrin | Most Unix systems deal with slices |
| 18:58.28 | Cope | yes |
| 18:58.35 | wethrin | It's only PCs that have a brain-dead partitioning scheme |
| 18:58.51 | wethrin | Which the BSDs then get around to keep closer to their roots |
| 18:59.30 | Cope | but you can't delete c |
| 18:59.43 | Cope | whereas in gnu fdisk you can delete all the partitions |
| 18:59.44 | murb | wethrin: any idea on geekski or not? |
| 19:01.41 | Leeds | Cope: trying to delete c is like trying to delete hda, if I understand correctly |
| 19:02.34 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 19:02.41 | wethrin | You can't delete the whole disc. That would just be silly. |
| 19:02.58 | wethrin | murb: Have they actually settled on a date? |
| 19:03.04 | Cope | wethrin: hence why I thought of c as the disk |
| 19:03.32 | murb | 20|21 -> 28th |
| 19:03.37 | murb | I'm not planning on doing the swiss thing. |
| 19:03.51 | murb | wethrin: i assume you are on the list? |
| 19:04.18 | murb | flights were like 250 quid along for .ch |
| 19:04.47 | wethrin | Yes, I'm on the list. |
| 19:04.58 | wethrin | And no, I can't do 20/21st->28th :-/ |
| 19:05.20 | murb | why not? |
| 19:05.26 | murb | I thought it just meant missing 3 days? |
| 19:05.40 | murb | or other reason? |
| 19:05.41 | Cope | ok, we have openbsd installed - now to get x up... never done this on a laptop before |
| 19:07.23 | wethrin | No, it means missing a whole week |
| 19:07.44 | murb | not jsut the last 3 days? |
| 19:07.57 | wethrin | No. |
| 19:08.08 | wethrin | Term finishes on Fri 26th |
| 19:12.11 | jason_ukfsn | ebuyer have some wireless cards for just over £20 inc VAT |
| 19:12.29 | murb | what sort? |
| 19:12.31 | jason_ukfsn | They are Netgear MA521 and at least one review indicates they are Linux compatible |
| 19:12.40 | Cope | hmm ok, x is up, but mouse is all over the palce |
| 19:12.43 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I would not trust ebuyer reviews |
| 19:12.49 | murb | according to them me router does firewalling |
| 19:12.55 | murb | s/me/my/ |
| 19:13.05 | jason_ukfsn | ah, not it's a closed realtek driver only |
| 19:13.25 | murb | infact it even passes packets with loose source routing, so the NAT isn't going to protect you much! |
| 19:14.12 | murb | jason_ukfsn: they do a dlink access point for 40 quid which can do up to 100mw with the right snmpseting. |
| 19:14.15 | murb | AP900 |
| 19:14.49 | jason_ukfsn | yet but what I need is a card for my laptop ;) |
| 19:15.25 | murb | jason_ukfsn: plug 40 quid ap into laptop in client mode :) |
| 19:15.30 | murb | if you have ethernet :) |
| 19:15.38 | murb | might not be a very portable solution though |
| 19:15.55 | wethrin | Cope: Wrong type of mouse? |
| 19:16.09 | Cope | possibly |
| 19:16.16 | Cope | Not sure what settings to use |
| 19:16.30 | wethrin | Bring laptop to Gllug :) |
| 19:16.55 | jason_ukfsn | hmm looks like I'll be spending at least £35 for a pcmcia card then :( |
| 19:17.13 | wethrin | I spend £35 on mine, which said Linux compatible on the box. |
| 19:17.19 | wethrin | And........it turned out to be an ACX100 |
| 19:17.24 | wethrin | *blech* |
| 19:27.29 | wethrin | When did Spamassassin 2.63 come out?\ |
| 19:27.48 | Cope | wetherin: downloading the ports tree - where do I untar it? in usr? |
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| 19:28.13 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 19:29.34 | wethrin | Yay-yet-more-upgrade-time |
| 19:29.49 | RobertM | Evening all |
| 19:30.37 | wethrin | Evening |
| 19:31.17 | RobertM | a newb to the channel (but not to Linux) .. |
| 19:32.02 | pawel | . |
| 19:32.22 | pawel | re. |
| 19:32.55 | wethrin | ARGH |
| 19:33.08 | wethrin | I *always* get caught up on that bloody RedHatism of aliasing rm to rm -i |
| 19:35.51 | pawel | yh. |
| 19:38.34 | wethrin | Thank you :) |
| 19:45.42 | jason_ukfsn | have fun folks |
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| 19:50.25 | Clyphox | Moo |
| 19:51.03 | wethrin | moo |
| 19:51.10 | Leeds | bah |
| 19:51.16 | Clyphox | Leeds! |
| 19:51.24 | Leeds | I'm different - I'm a sheep |
| 19:51.26 | Leeds | hey Clyphox :-) |
| 19:51.34 | wethrin | A disdainful sheep? |
| 19:51.58 | Clyphox | sheeps are cute |
| 19:52.00 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:52.24 | wethrin | Lamb curry! |
| 19:54.24 | Clyphox | I want beer |
| 19:55.07 | Clyphox | cold beer? |
| 19:56.55 | Leeds | coldish |
| 19:57.03 | Clyphox | but wet! |
| 19:57.14 | Clyphox | and thurst quenching! Muhaha |
| 20:03.32 | pawel | bbc2. |
| 20:04.01 | Leeds | pawel: ? |
| 20:04.32 | rhowe | Mr Clarkson |
| 20:04.43 | Leeds | good point |
| 20:04.56 | pawel | Leeds, I did't check what is a name of that program, but there was a nice laptop destruction. :) |
| 20:05.24 | pawel | he take one Toshiba Satellite and hammer. :) |
| 20:05.42 | pawel | and I don't need to say nothing more. :) |
| 20:06.19 | pawel | that was exactly what I should to do with my thinkpad. |
| 20:07.16 | Leeds | science museum... |
| 20:07.32 | rhowe | mm, tvtime good |
| 20:08.13 | Leeds | I'm still stuck on xawtv |
| 20:08.47 | rhowe | If you have the CPU cycles, give tvtime a go.. it can really enhance the image |
| 20:09.13 | Leeds | oh, I like it |
| 20:09.39 | Leeds | the problem is that I have some nice keybindings set up for xawtv, to control my tivo over http from within xawtv - tvtime can't do that AFAIK |
| 20:09.50 | Leeds | I should work out how to add it... |
| 20:12.20 | rhowe | whee, log tables |
| 20:12.32 | Leeds | heh |
| 20:13.14 | rhowe | haah |
| 20:13.26 | rhowe | "for once, we can say the British govt knew a winner when they saw one" |
| 20:14.47 | rhowe | hah, that's still true for computers :) |
| 20:16.40 | rhowe | haha |
| 20:16.59 | Leeds | ha |
| 20:17.32 | rhowe | Either he knows what he's talking about or someone wrote him quite a decent script |
| 20:18.32 | Leeds | he doesn't know a thing |
| 20:18.53 | Leeds | but he's entertaining... |
| 20:19.01 | rhowe | Introducing Alan... |
| 20:19.03 | Leeds | "what if" - you'd get a book by BRuce Sterling |
| 20:19.34 | Leeds | and William Gibson |
| 20:19.50 | rhowe | The sci-fi author? |
| 20:20.08 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:20.24 | Leeds | they wrote a book called "The Difference Engine" - what if it had been built... |
| 20:20.27 | rhowe | heh, their actor doesn't look much like Alan Turing |
| 20:20.31 | rhowe | Ah right |
| 20:20.41 | Leeds | by the way... GLLUG has a regular summer picnic at Bletchley Park :-) |
| 20:20.47 | Leeds | read the rest - it's good, very good |
| 20:21.21 | rhowe | 'k, though sci-fi isn't really my thing |
| 20:22.00 | rhowe | hahaha |
| 20:22.11 | Leeds | come to the picnic... see this stuff for real |
| 20:22.20 | rhowe | *nod*, I will (if I'm not in HK) |
| 20:23.11 | Leeds | oh, and read Enigma and Cryptonomicon |
| 20:29.35 | Leeds | my Tux went in that room! :-) |
| 20:29.42 | rhowe | heh |
| 20:30.06 | rhowe | I have a buttercup though :P |
| 20:31.59 | RobertM | Enigma and Cryptonomicon both awesome books indeed |
| 20:32.11 | RobertM | the movie Enigma wasn't bad either! |
| 20:32.25 | rhowe | Yeah I saw Enigma |
| 20:32.33 | Leeds | I didn't see the movie... I've seen some of the props from it :-) |
| 20:32.39 | rhowe | heh |
| 20:33.04 | Leeds | went to a lecture by a bloke who'd worked with Flowers last year... |
| 20:33.07 | RobertM | yeah I went to Bletchley this past summer for the first time.. it was cool to see stuff from the book |
| 20:33.25 | Leeds | RobertM: come to the picnic! |
| 20:34.58 | RobertM | yeah I will for sure next year |
| 20:35.15 | RobertM | I hope to make the regular meetings (aside from this coming one) |
| 20:35.31 | Leeds | woo! Athlon! :-) |
| 20:35.46 | rhowe | PARC |
| 20:36.00 | rhowe | the mouse |
| 20:36.41 | rhowe | ROFL |
| 20:38.10 | Leeds | 100? that's all? |
| 20:38.36 | Cope | With a melon? |
| 20:38.37 | rhowe | Cope: You need a TV |
| 20:40.23 | Leeds | the Frankenstein complex |
| 20:41.00 | Leeds | that's not fair - I doubt the roomba is meant to work on rugs |
| 20:41.17 | RobertM | sort of a rubish device that |
| 20:41.30 | rhowe | I dunno.. they mostly work, AFAIK |
| 20:41.46 | rhowe | Means I wouldn't have to do the hoovering (or rather, wouldn't have to pay a cleaner) |
| 20:41.54 | RobertM | haha that's true |
| 20:42.32 | rhowe | heh, geiss |
| 20:42.45 | rhowe | (winamp visualisation) |
| 20:43.12 | Leeds | ibot turing |
| 20:43.14 | | ...but I *AM* Turing complete!!!! |
| 20:43.31 | Tarragon | ibot sing |
| 20:43.33 | | ACTION sings off key |
| 20:43.42 | RobertM | reminds me of the old Eliza program |
| 20:43.47 | Tarragon | ibot dance |
| 20:43.49 | | ACTION becomes steve ballmer |
| 20:43.49 | Leeds | RobertM: of course... |
| 20:44.15 | Leeds | Alice is good too |
| 20:44.23 | RobertM | I can recall having Eliza on a BBS I ran decades ago.. some users actually thought they were talking to a person.. stupid muppets |
| 20:44.25 | RobertM | yeah |
| 20:44.28 | Tarragon | Ibot must be real. No bot would ever compare itself to monkey boy without a sense of humour |
| 20:44.31 | | Tarragon: You are moron #14 |
| 20:44.33 | RobertM | A rose by any other name.. |
| 20:44.42 | *** join/#gllug irvined (~irvined@home.irvined.co.uk) |
| 20:44.50 | rhowe | RobertM: Have you seen the site where someone hooked Eliza up to AIM and recorded the ensuing conversations? |
| 20:44.53 | Tarragon | Hurrah - I am a number not a name |
| 20:44.57 | Leeds | Tarragon: ibot's got your number :-) |
| 20:45.26 | Leeds | RobertM: I've seen people trying to have a conversation with ibot... and ibot's pretty dumb |
| 20:45.35 | RobertM | haha |
| 20:45.46 | RobertM | I was playing ibot early trying to figure it out |
| 20:46.40 | RobertM | haah cute little dog |
| 20:46.40 | Leeds | ibot ibot |
| 20:46.47 | | ibot is probably a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 20:47.48 | RobertM | geez big bully |
| 20:47.52 | rhowe | whee, QOTS |
| 20:47.56 | rhowe | +A |
| 20:48.24 | Leeds | ah, Prof Cyborg |
| 20:48.56 | RobertM | I think Steve Manning from Toronto is worlds ahead of this clown |
| 20:49.12 | Leeds | he's the bloke who got into trouble at the airport? |
| 20:49.17 | RobertM | yeah |
| 20:49.25 | RobertM | made him strip all his kit off |
| 20:50.31 | Leeds | which is what this is |
| 20:52.28 | rhowe | http://fury.com/aoliza/chatframe.php?contender=sixty |
| 20:53.13 | RobertM | haha |
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| 20:54.25 | Leeds | ha ha ha |
| 20:54.37 | Nutshell | ho ho ho |
| 20:54.42 | rhowe | pop |
| 20:55.13 | Leeds | EMP |
| 20:55.59 | Nutshell | not an Electro Magnetic Pulse ? |
| 20:56.21 | rhowe | heh, that's one well-shielded room |
| 20:56.24 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:56.48 | Leeds | I've been in a 3com environmental and radiation test room |
| 20:57.26 | RobertM | well geez, an old system like would do that on it's own, no EMP required |
| 20:57.40 | Leeds | heh |
| 20:57.43 | Tarragon | I have machines that lose the BIOS without all that fuss |
| 20:57.46 | Leeds | Nutshell: we're discussing BBC2 |
| 20:58.11 | Nutshell | whats on ? |
| 20:58.23 | rhowe | Jeremy Clarkson talking about how computers came to be |
| 20:58.25 | RobertM | haha minor power failure of just 15 million people and 6 states for 2 or 3 days |
| 20:58.44 | rhowe | RobertM: Pretty minor, really |
| 20:58.48 | Nutshell | missed it |
| 20:58.57 | Leeds | hah |
| 20:59.04 | Leeds | crashing every 5 minutes? |
| 20:59.21 | rhowe | haha, in an American accent |
| 21:00.54 | Nutshell | anyone want to put it onto vcd and send it to me ? |
| 21:01.17 | Leeds | I can do you the last 30 minutes (it's an hour long) |
| 21:01.32 | Nutshell | that will be fine Leeds |
| 21:01.45 | Nutshell | and I would be most greatfull |
| 21:02.11 | Leeds | maybe...lets see if this works |
| 21:02.13 | rhowe | grateful too, I presume :) |
| 21:03.23 | Nutshell | miss spell :) |
| 21:05.29 | Leeds | argh |
| 21:05.41 | Leeds | I can stream it okay... |
| 21:06.01 | rhowe | mplayer -dumpstream? :) |
| 21:09.21 | Leeds | okay... I have mplayer *playing* the TV |
| 21:11.28 | rhowe | mplayer -dumpstream foo.out should dump it to a file, IIRC |
| 21:13.52 | wethrin | Jeremy Clarkson ++ |
| 21:15.54 | Leeds | no sound... |
| 21:16.04 | RobertM | let him read lips :) |
| 21:16.15 | wethrin | Are you pirating TV broadcasts? :) |
| 21:16.32 | RobertM | aren't they public? |
| 21:17.19 | Nutshell | personal copy only :) |
| 21:17.35 | rhowe | personal except for the person you're sending it to :) |
| 21:17.52 | Leeds | ah ha |
| 21:17.54 | RobertM | Surely they must be a tv license holder too :) |
| 21:17.59 | Leeds | I seem to be recording sound... |
| 21:18.06 | Leeds | I bet cope doesn't have a license |
| 21:18.24 | wethrin | Hm. |
| 21:18.24 | Leeds | colour is a bit screwed though :-( |
| 21:19.16 | Nutshell | when I bought my dvd player i had to fill in a form for a TV license |
| 21:19.41 | RobertM | tell them to go to h*ll, that's what I would have done |
| 21:19.54 | Leeds | oh, look... I can actually encode TV in real-time on my PC using about 15% of CPU :-) |
| 21:19.54 | RobertM | there was an article on the Reg about that |
| 21:20.38 | Nutshell | they would,nt let me take it home if i had'nt, felt like going some where else to buy it |
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| 21:20.58 | Nutshell | but only tesco sold the model that i wanted |
| 21:21.09 | RobertM | it's such bollocks.. this country is getting way way too big brotherish |
| 21:21.19 | Nutshell | to true |
| 21:21.35 | evangineer | RobertM: you're right |
| 21:21.43 | RobertM | what could have been special about htat dvd player? There are loads that are fantastic off the net |
| 21:22.03 | zachary | Evening all. |
| 21:22.03 | Nutshell | as a country we have the most cctv camera's in europe |
| 21:22.31 | Nutshell | i could just purchase it and take it home |
| 21:22.44 | wethrin | If you buy a DVD player, you'll undoubtedly be connecting it up to a TV |
| 21:22.47 | RobertM | did you see on the Reg that guy doing 406mph in his Pugeo<sp>? .. it's up to him to prove he wasn't actually doing that |
| 21:22.48 | Leeds | hey zachary |
| 21:22.51 | evangineer | evening zachary |
| 21:23.13 | Leeds | wethrin: really? vivo graphics card? |
| 21:23.28 | wethrin | Well, that's what they expect, anyway :) |
| 21:24.01 | wethrin | So at worst you get Mr. TV Licence knocking on your door, and you show him you don't have a TV plugged into an aerial |
| 21:25.46 | Nutshell | you have to have a licence for cable don't you |
| 21:26.11 | Leeds | yes |
| 21:27.03 | Nutshell | it's something like £10.00 per month now |
| 21:27.13 | wethrin | Yes. For any household that receives and decodes broadcast signals |
| 21:27.16 | RobertM | I was amazed that you needed a second tv license if you have a cottage in the country or whatever that you only use occasionally and it has a tv in it.. |
| 21:27.33 | Leeds | you don't need one for a caravan or a portable TV AFAIK |
| 21:28.04 | RobertM | no that's true |
| 21:28.34 | RobertM | unless the caravan is on a permanent mount or something.. ie it's not really a caravan anymore |
| 21:28.44 | RobertM | I think I saw that on Big Bro's website |
| 21:28.57 | wethrin | Leeds: That's covered by your household one |
| 21:29.14 | Leeds | wethrin: yes, that's what I mean |
| 21:31.12 | Tarragon | To be exempt I think that the portable TV needs to be battery powered and not mains powered. |
| 21:32.01 | RobertM | so, a car battery powering the tv while on a perma trickle charge? |
| 21:32.30 | RobertM | how about on battery through a 12 to 220 converter? does that count as mains? |
| 21:32.40 | Leeds | Nutshell: I've got an 82Mb file of the last 12.5 minutes or so of the program, with bad colour :-( want it? |
| 21:33.41 | Nutshell | yea if tis alright with you |
| 21:34.05 | Tarragon | V licensing site says needs to be internal batteries such as a pocket TV |
| 21:34.13 | RobertM | hmm |
| 21:34.24 | Nutshell | Leeds: are you going to the meeting on saturday |
| 21:34.26 | RobertM | bastages |
| 21:35.07 | Leeds | Nutshell: yes... are you on broadband? |
| 21:35.19 | Nutshell | Leeds: yes |
| 21:35.30 | Leeds | Nutshell: so if I spend a while uploading it somewhere...? |
| 21:35.35 | Tarragon | Looks like the martians have nicked the USA rover as well as the UK one |
| 21:35.50 | Nutshell | Leeds: that would be fine |
| 21:35.58 | Leeds | Tarragon: nah, Beagle caught it and dealt with it |
| 21:36.46 | Leeds | Nutshell: ETA 40 minutes or so... I'll let you know when it's up |
| 21:36.51 | RobertM | haha saw that. the yanks are only having moderatly more success |
| 21:37.58 | Nutshell | Leeds: thanks |
| 21:39.41 | Nutshell | if you don't have a tv but have a radio you need to get a radio licence if you don't have a tv or a radio but have a computer with internet access would you still have to buy a radio licence as you could listen to the radio through the internet ? |
| 21:41.23 | wethrin | You don't get radio licences any more. |
| 21:41.30 | wethrin | Except ham radio :) |
| 21:42.08 | RobertM | yeah speaking of which I have to chase the radio guys to get my renewed license out to me.., the took the money and sent a letter saying it was coming.. |
| 21:42.57 | Nutshell | goes to show how old i'am |
| 21:43.30 | RobertM | wethrin you a ham? |
| 21:45.50 | wethrin | I do not like green eggs and ham. Oh, sorry :) |
| 21:46.05 | wethrin | No, but it's something I wouldn't mind being |
| 21:46.15 | RobertM | ahh |
| 21:46.26 | RobertM | it's much easier now, no morse code requirements |
| 21:48.00 | evangineer | as a ham, can you go bouncing signals off satellites? |
| 21:48.16 | RobertM | yeah, there are several sats you can use |
| 21:48.19 | nasrat | RobertM: still required 5wpm for some freq's |
| 21:48.22 | nasrat | IIRC |
| 21:48.40 | wethrin | But Morse is good :) |
| 21:48.54 | RobertM | You use to beable to use MIR before .. and the on occassion the shuttle |
| 21:50.31 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (~mkoumide@24.247.222.225.kzo.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 21:50.43 | Marios_ | Hello everybody |
| 21:50.47 | RobertM | Hello |
| 21:50.56 | Nutshell | Hello |
| 21:51.07 | wethrin | hi |
| 21:52.58 | evangineer | Hi Marios_ |
| 21:53.45 | Leeds | hey Marios_ |
| 21:56.31 | Clyphox | green eggs! |
| 21:56.48 | Clyphox | I have a great way of loosing weight |
| 21:56.55 | Clyphox | "don't eat" |
| 21:57.20 | Clyphox | it works I tell you! |
| 21:57.49 | Tarragon | There is no longer a radio licence in the UK |
| 21:58.51 | Tarragon | Oops sorry was trying to find it on the government site - didn't read wethrin's posting |
| 21:59.42 | wethrin | hm? |
| 21:59.42 | Leeds | but you do get a discount on the TV license if you're blind... |
| 21:59.45 | RobertM | they aren't degraded, the higher paying people get to the top |
| 21:59.51 | wethrin | Ah :) |
| 21:59.57 | RobertM | as one would expect you should |
| 22:00.10 | RobertM | so I guess the home secretary get's a break |
| 22:00.14 | Leeds | what, you should come higher if you pay more? |
| 22:00.24 | Tarragon | My brother-in law does not have a TV but gets a letter every four weeks accusing him of breaking the law |
| 22:00.27 | RobertM | yeah on google |
| 22:00.34 | RobertM | haha the muppets |
| 22:00.35 | Leeds | yeah, special legislation just for government members! |
| 22:03.00 | Clyphox | Leeds: somehow I don't think you are joking about the TV discount |
| 22:03.35 | RobertM | Clyphox, no he's serious. If your blind you get a big discount, but you still have to pay |
| 22:03.55 | wethrin | Just because you're legally blind doesn't mean you can't see |
| 22:04.18 | RobertM | well that's true |
| 22:05.01 | Leeds | Clyphox: well, joking about the special legislation for government members... not the rest |
| 22:05.27 | RobertM | but we all know the gubment wogs get off on many things |
| 22:06.02 | RobertM | do any of the others on this channel ever come to life? There's loads of lurkers on here |
| 22:06.11 | wethrin | Inner or outer party members? |
| 22:06.42 | Leeds | RobertM: most people talk at some time or other |
| 22:06.46 | wethrin | ibot ping |
| 22:06.48 | | pong |
| 22:06.51 | Nutshell | I'm alive well at least i have a pulse |
| 22:07.24 | Leeds | Nutshell: about 14 minutes to go |
| 22:07.35 | Nutshell | cheers Leeds :) |
| 22:07.46 | Leeds | don't get too excited :-) |
| 22:08.23 | Leeds | RobertM: so, you a techie? |
| 22:08.34 | Nutshell | well i suppose thats another beer I owe |
| 22:08.45 | wethrin | Mmm. Beer. |
| 22:08.56 | RobertM | yeah, been doing linux since kernel 0.96 (or 95).. and stuff before that |
| 22:08.59 | Nutshell | i don't have any |
| 22:09.11 | Leeds | who, old-timer :-) |
| 22:09.19 | RobertM | yeah |
| 22:09.32 | wethrin | You used Linux when it was still cool ;-) |
| 22:09.58 | Leeds | now all the cool kids use Solaris! :-> |
| 22:10.07 | wethrin | Heh |
| 22:10.16 | wethrin | I have my copy. Just need to get some time to install it |
| 22:10.29 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 22:10.38 | RobertM | yeah I spent 10 years looking after Solaris machines |
| 22:10.42 | Clyphox | I used it when it was cool with haxor kiddies |
| 22:11.14 | wethrin | b3c40z clyph0x 1z 4 31337 h4xx0r d00d? |
| 22:11.42 | Leeds | 1bot x hax0r en b3c40z clyph0x 1z 4 31337 h4xx0r d00d? |
| 22:11.58 | Leeds | or something |
| 22:12.01 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 22:12.09 | wethrin | ibot Clyphox |
| 22:12.12 | | clyphox is, like, a man of his word. |
| 22:12.21 | Clyphox | I w4n73d 2 B, 1 4dm17 |
| 22:13.58 | Clyphox | it was pre 7337 speak I think anyway |
| 22:14.07 | Leeds | BBS-time? |
| 22:14.19 | Clyphox | erm no I wish I was around back then |
| 22:14.29 | RobertM | haha |
| 22:14.32 | wethrin | Hmm. Gllug BBS :) |
| 22:14.44 | Leeds | heh |
| 22:14.56 | RobertM | I think my first bbs login was back around '85 or '84 |
| 22:15.06 | Clyphox | I was about 2-3 then |
| 22:15.10 | wethrin | Hm. This implies RobertM is Old |
| 22:15.10 | Leeds | probably 89 or so for me |
| 22:15.26 | Leeds | not as old as Tarragon though, I bet |
| 22:15.29 | RobertM | indeed |
| 22:15.46 | wethrin | Tarragon: When was your first login experience? |
| 22:15.49 | Clyphox | 96 and it wasn't my account 8-[ |
| 22:15.57 | Leeds | 96! |
| 22:16.02 | RobertM | haha |
| 22:16.05 | RobertM | a late bloomer |
| 22:16.08 | Leeds | damn newbies |
| 22:16.22 | Clyphox | I only got my first PC in 99 ok! |
| 22:16.45 | RobertM | my first computer expereince was '81 |
| 22:16.47 | evangineer | I did bbs around 90/91 |
| 22:18.06 | Nutshell | new newbie :) |
| 22:18.13 | wethrin | My first computer experience was in about '84 when I was 3. |
| 22:18.30 | Leeds | mine was in about 86 |
| 22:18.37 | Nutshell | first computer commadore 64 |
| 22:18.41 | Leeds | maybe a bit earlier |
| 22:18.43 | Leeds | speccy! |
| 22:18.53 | RobertM | geez.. you were born the same year as my wife then.. |
| 22:19.02 | Nutshell | then amiga |
| 22:19.05 | RobertM | how old were ya in 86 Leeds? |
| 22:19.07 | wethrin | Sharp MZ-80K |
| 22:19.12 | Leeds | RobertM: 10 |
| 22:19.19 | RobertM | haha man I got years on you |
| 22:19.30 | evangineer | I used a ZX81 around 83, 84 |
| 22:19.57 | RobertM | <--- '68 |
| 22:20.15 | RobertM | not years old, year born |
| 22:20.31 | Leeds | and... you're *proud* of that? :-) |
| 22:20.40 | Nutshell | do you get a prize for being the oldest ? |
| 22:20.49 | RobertM | haha yeah I can still remember how to type |
| 22:20.57 | Nutshell | <--- '61 |
| 22:20.59 | RobertM | getting up the morning for work is a chore |
| 22:21.05 | RobertM | congrats Nutshell |
| 22:21.16 | Nutshell | thanks RobertM |
| 22:21.55 | Nutshell | I may be the oldest but I,m still the new'ist :) |
| 22:21.55 | Cope | hello all |
| 22:22.02 | RobertM | Hello Cope |
| 22:22.04 | evangineer | hey Cope |
| 22:22.07 | wethrin | Hi Cope |
| 22:22.08 | Leeds | hey cope |
| 22:22.09 | Nutshell | Hi Cope |
| 22:22.13 | wethrin | Do you still want those hard drives I have for you?: |
| 22:24.31 | Nutshell | linux user that is :) |
| 22:25.04 | Leeds | Nutshell: newer than new2unix? :-) |
| 22:25.33 | Clyphox | wethrin: me? |
| 22:25.39 | wethrin | Cope. |
| 22:25.48 | wethrin | He asked first :) |
| 22:26.05 | Nutshell | Leeds: well been using linux for about 3 week's |
| 22:26.52 | new2unix | Leeds: nobody is newer than new2unix :) |
| 22:26.57 | rhowe | 'night Cope |
| 22:27.28 | Nutshell | but decided to take the plundge full hog and not use MS at all to see if i could do it and so far it's paid off |
| 22:28.16 | Nutshell | with a lot of help from you guy's of course :) |
| 22:29.53 | Cope | wethrin: nods... yes please. |
| 22:30.09 | wethrin | Right. I'll bring it on Saturday, then. |
| 22:32.34 | wethrin | Shiny Sparc for me? :) |
| 22:33.24 | wethrin | Mmmm. |
| 22:33.29 | evangineer | Starfires? |
| 22:33.34 | Nutshell | would'nt mind lot of hardware if he can make it down to London :) |
| 22:34.14 | Cope | being built atm. |
| 22:36.17 | Cope | ooh - knoppix got it wronh |
| 22:36.33 | Cope | s/nh/ng/ |
| 22:37.31 | evangineer | Sun categorise V880s as entry level servers http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/880/ |
| 22:37.38 | Leeds | mmm... :-) |
| 22:38.06 | Cope | evangineer: they also charge 20,000 pounds for a pretty light on the top |
| 22:39.11 | Leeds | Cope: works for me... |
| 22:39.22 | evangineer | They have keep Leeds in the manner he has become accustomed to! |
| 22:39.26 | Cope | The pretty light? It looks awesome. |
| 22:39.32 | Leeds | or rather: "keeps me in work" |
| 22:40.21 | Cope | Anyway, knoppix failed to get the mouse to work on the laptop. |
| 22:41.02 | Cope | Oooh - hello Clyphox |
| 22:41.04 | evangineer | Sun's current top end server is a 15K http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire15k/index.xml |
| 22:42.12 | Leeds | mmm... :-0 |
| 22:42.20 | Clyphox | Cope: Heya |
| 22:42.24 | Clyphox | Cope: Hows the family? |
| 22:43.20 | Cope | Clyphox: doing well - latest pic of william: |
| 22:43.39 | Cope | http:/wibbleworld.demon.co.uk/photos/sweet_wm.jpg |
| 22:45.06 | Clyphox | you made that!? |
| 22:45.06 | zachary | Cope: Forgot a '/ ' after 'http:' |
| 22:45.11 | Clyphox | =) |
| 22:46.29 | Cope | Clyphox hmm? |
| 22:46.38 | Cope | zachary: ah |
| 22:48.44 | wethrin | Hm. Wireless cards with bits sticking out aren't that nice |
| 22:49.20 | Cope | wethrin: I thought most wireless cards has bits that stick out? |
| 22:50.36 | zachary | Cope: Do you want a folding baby bath? |
| 22:51.17 | wethrin | Apple ones don't :) |
| 22:51.33 | zachary | Cope: Good picture of William! |
| 22:51.40 | Cope | zachary: I don't think so... we're fine with your green one. |
| 22:51.48 | Cope | zachary: thank you |
| 22:53.10 | zachary | Corbin just out grew it. He is already fitting 6-9month clothes. |
| 22:54.36 | Leeds | hmm... since when is 0845 freephone? :-) |
| 22:55.17 | wethrin | Since you hack the phone system to bill to someone else |
| 22:57.00 | zachary | I'm off to bed, good night. |
| 22:57.23 | wethrin | Leeds: Did you get Fosdem expensed? |
| 22:57.46 | Leeds | I'm waiting for the approval - I know it'll come, but I'm waiting for it... if I don't have it on Monday, I'll push |
| 22:58.03 | wethrin | Okay :) Eurostars are creeping up in price |
| 22:58.19 | wethrin | So the sooner they approve it, the cheaper it'll be for them :) |
| 22:58.31 | Leeds | as long as the early train doesn't get stupidly expensive... I think I've got 100 quid down for travel, which could include busses/trams if I could be bothered |
| 22:59.05 | wethrin | Okay. Come on the 1042 with everyone else :) |
| 23:00.07 | Leeds | that's the plan... |
| 23:00.18 | Leeds | mallum (#handhelds.org and occasionally gllug list) is on the 124x |
| 23:00.18 | wethrin | Excellllllent </mr_burns> |
| 23:01.22 | wethrin | Is Gavan coming? |
| 23:03.43 | Leeds | nope |
| 23:03.47 | Leeds | Iain might be |
| 23:04.28 | Leeds | long-haired Scottish guy... also a slack fan :-) |
| 23:04.30 | evangineer | nn folks |
| 23:05.00 | wethrin | nn |
| 23:05.12 | wethrin | Ah yes. I remember him, vaguely. |
| 23:05.21 | Leeds | night evangineer |
| 23:05.23 | wethrin | You dragged him along to a Gllug meet some time ago, didn't you? |
| 23:05.37 | Leeds | one or two, yes |
| 23:05.50 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:05.59 | Leeds | he doesn't really like crowds... and he's married... with a reasonably controlling wife |
| 23:06.18 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 23:06.32 | Leeds | she doesn't really like him going to events without her, and she doesn't really want to come... |
| 23:06.43 | wethrin | Well that's not very fair. |
| 23:07.01 | Leeds | indeed |
| 23:07.52 | Cope | what's the command to switch window managers from within x? |
| 23:08.25 | wethrin | kill the existing window manager, and fire up a new one |
| 23:08.43 | Leeds | or have the existing one fire up the new one, assuming it's your session controller |
| 23:09.00 | wethrin | twm++ |
| 23:09.24 | Cope | I don't think even I would go that far! |
| 23:12.15 | Nutshell | goodnight all and thanks for the avi Leeds |
| 23:12.21 | wethrin | nnN |
| 23:18.34 | wethrin | w00t |
| 23:24.29 | Leeds | tvtime really is very nice... all I need is the ability to map keypresses to commands so I can use wget to control the TiVo, and I'm sold |
| 23:47.51 | pawel | gregj, ping -c 200 |
| 23:49.30 | pawel | gregj, take your mouth from beer. |
| 23:50.24 | pawel | blah, next short-sleep night. |
| 23:52.36 | pawel | is there any possibilty to stream on the network something from machine with tv tuner, v4l etc? |
| 23:53.20 | Cope | nasrat: ping.., |
| 23:53.41 | Leeds | pawel: yes, I was doing it yesterday |
| 23:53.49 | Leeds | videolan does it really nicely |
