| 00:00.14 | highbury | scan have them for £103 inc, for just the drive, and equivalent xD card would be very expensive (I think the current max is 512Mb) |
| 00:00.28 | murb | highbury: for what capacity? |
| 00:00.33 | highbury | cos the camera has a slot for one |
| 00:00.41 | highbury | murb? |
| 00:00.52 | murb | 103 quid for how much storage? |
| 00:01.11 | highbury | 1Gb |
| 00:01.29 | Leeds | highbury: 1Gb solid-state CF for 135 +P&P is more worth it |
| 00:01.48 | rhowe | Crucial do 1Gb CF for 142.99+VAT, free delivery |
| 00:01.58 | rhowe | 54.99 for 512M |
| 00:02.10 | Leeds | http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=777_4_401_40102 - 1Gb for 135, no VAT, plus shipping |
| 00:02.28 | highbury | so that will fit and work in a microdrive slot? |
| 00:02.38 | Leeds | there's no such thing as a microdrive slot |
| 00:03.00 | Leeds | AFAIK |
| 00:03.27 | Leeds | that's like calling a PCI slot a NIC slot |
| 00:04.16 | highbury | hmmm, " * Dual Media slots: uses xD-Picture Card and IBM Microdrive?" |
| 00:05.23 | highbury | the camera in question is a Fuji FinePix M603, £199 from Asda |
| 00:05.47 | rhowe | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/MicroDrive |
| 00:05.56 | rhowe | "IBM sells a very small hard drive in the CompactFlash form factor" |
| 00:06.38 | Leeds | rhowe: yes |
| 00:06.40 | rhowe | Hitachi who took over IBM's storage division now produce them up to 4G |
| 00:06.55 | Leeds | note that I *did* get support from IBM for mine - I sent it back and they replaced it |
| 00:06.57 | highbury | but don't sell them yet |
| 00:07.01 | rhowe | no? |
| 00:09.43 | rhowe | hm, indeeds. 1G is the largest I can find for sale |
| 00:09.49 | rhowe | I wonder what I can find in HK :) |
| 00:10.59 | highbury | vapor |
| 00:10.59 | Leeds | rhowe: um... something like Winsor House? |
| 00:11.01 | rhowe | Leeds: I was thinking Golden Centre... |
| 00:11.08 | Leeds | ah, that one |
| 00:11.25 | highbury | ahh... the FujiFilm site, lists CF card as an option 1Gb=£599 !!! |
| 00:11.49 | highbury | is a microdrive faster than a pure CF card? |
| 00:12.10 | Leeds | it's got a spin-up and spin-down time |
| 00:12.24 | Leeds | I think it's quicker to write if it's already spinning |
| 00:12.47 | *** join/#gllug MrPink (~Snak@m172-mp1.cvx1-a.pop.dial.ntli.net) |
| 00:12.54 | Leeds | morning Pink |
| 00:13.03 | MrPink | evening! |
| 00:13.10 | evangineer | SCOldera is suing Novell, just in time for LinuxWorld! - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/35004.html |
| 00:13.11 | MrPink | Hi |
| 00:13.23 | rhowe | Wonder what this is like for power consumption.. http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500027.html |
| 00:13.30 | Leeds | evangineer: so I see... |
| 00:13.35 | MrPink | is that in addition to IBM? |
| 00:13.46 | evangineer | MrPink: Yes |
| 00:13.54 | MrPink | just today? |
| 00:14.02 | evangineer | Yep |
| 00:14.14 | MrPink | $£%@£$^&£$%&£$%&$%&$%& |
| 00:15.32 | MrPink | slander of title? |
| 00:15.44 | MrPink | hmm off to groklaw i think |
| 00:16.20 | evangineer | I would expect Novell to counter-sue on grounds of breach of contract. |
| 00:17.31 | MrPink | not my field - by a long shot |
| 00:17.48 | Leeds | you're a farmer? |
| 00:18.05 | MrPink | I might as well be |
| 00:18.31 | MrPink | well not a programmer, techie or in the business |
| 00:19.20 | Leeds | why not? :-) |
| 00:19.51 | MrPink | becuase inever want to work with windows;) |
| 00:20.18 | Leeds | I don't work with windows... |
| 00:20.20 | MrPink | No Im researching Linux at the moment for a project im working on |
| 00:20.35 | MrPink | im trying to find out aboutit |
| 00:20.37 | evangineer | MrPink: Tell us more |
| 00:20.49 | Leeds | cool |
| 00:21.27 | MrPink | well right now i need to ask some questions |
| 00:21.46 | MrPink | not right now |
| 00:22.01 | MrPink | but Im trying to figure out some stuff |
| 00:22.06 | evangineer | go on |
| 00:22.26 | MrPink | I dont need detailed answers but |
| 00:22.35 | MrPink | you might get the idea |
| 00:22.45 | MrPink | ok |
| 00:22.58 | MrPink | When Linus made the Kernal |
| 00:23.06 | Leeds | kernel |
| 00:23.33 | MrPink | kernel - what did he release? |
| 00:23.39 | MrPink | ill be more specific |
| 00:24.05 | rhowe | linux-0.0.1.tar.gz, AFAIK |
| 00:24.20 | MrPink | he released it under the GPL with GNU 'packages'? |
| 00:24.26 | Leeds | not really |
| 00:24.35 | evangineer | just the kernel |
| 00:24.41 | Leeds | 20 years ago, RMS set out to create a free clone (or better than) of UNIX |
| 00:24.50 | MrPink | fsf |
| 00:24.57 | MrPink | i know |
| 00:25.06 | Leeds | 12.5 years ago or so... most of it had been written and released, and they were bogged down on the kernel - the Hurd |
| 00:25.20 | MrPink | yes |
| 00:25.38 | Leeds | Linus, a Comp. Sci. student in Helsinki, wrote a little kernel, and released it under the GPL |
| 00:25.48 | MrPink | minix etc |
| 00:26.20 | Leeds | well, minix was written to use for teaching principles of operating systems - it wasn't free for anyone's use. you had to have a copy of the book it came with... it's free now |
| 00:26.29 | MrPink | yes |
| 00:26.55 | Leeds | I've used it on a very old machine someone gave me... it's not terrible, but it's not a production-class system |
| 00:27.03 | highbury | Linus was amongst a group of people who wanted 386 support put into minux |
| 00:27.17 | rhowe | minix |
| 00:27.25 | MrPink | 386? |
| 00:27.30 | Leeds | highbury: I've never heard that before |
| 00:27.35 | highbury | minix was just intended as a teaching system, but some people wanted to make more of it |
| 00:27.57 | rhowe | highbury: I thought minix supported the 386? Or was it just x86? |
| 00:28.14 | Leeds | rhowe: it does now - it didn't then |
| 00:28.23 | rhowe | Leeds: Ah, that's where I'm getting confused |
| 00:28.33 | rhowe | I think the first bit of Linux code was a keyboard driver for minix or something, wasn't it? |
| 00:28.48 | highbury | minix eventually did support 386, but Andy Tannenbaum didn't want to at first |
| 00:29.11 | Leeds | MrPink: anyway - is there anything in particular you were after? :-) |
| 00:29.20 | MrPink | could you say that when it was released it was designed to work with GNU developed software to work as an entire OS |
| 00:30.06 | Leeds | pretty much... except that I don't think it was originally planned as a production OS |
| 00:30.31 | MrPink | no but as to integrate into GNU to form a whole OS |
| 00:30.54 | highbury | have you read any of the many and varied books on the history of Linux, then? |
| 00:31.05 | rhowe | Probably more of a case of the GNU tools being there, and working well enough for it not to be worth writing his own |
| 00:31.05 | MrPink | no! |
| 00:31.11 | MrPink | do those GNU parts still exist under Redhat Mandrake etc? |
| 00:31.13 | Leeds | "it's not big and ??? like GNU" |
| 00:31.19 | Leeds | MrPink: absoutely! 100% |
| 00:31.36 | rhowe | MrPink: Er, try running "bash --version" or "sed --version" etc |
| 00:31.56 | rhowe | GNU sed version 4.0.7 |
| 00:31.58 | MrPink | I dont have Linux |
| 00:32.00 | rhowe | (for example) |
| 00:32.05 | MrPink | what do you mean? |
| 00:32.34 | MrPink | bash --version" or "sed --version"? |
| 00:32.53 | rhowe | MrPink: OK, so this is Debian GNU/Linux, so you might well expect the GNU tools to be installed, but it's the same with all the major Linux distributions.. the GNU tools are about the only free ones worth having and nobody feels like reinventing the wheel when they can simply contribute their changes to GNU |
| 00:33.01 | Leeds | MrPink: have you used Linux at all? |
| 00:33.07 | MrPink | nope |
| 00:33.10 | Leeds | MrPink: or UNIX for that matter |
| 00:33.14 | MrPink | I have seen it |
| 00:33.16 | rhowe | Even though that means they have to submit their code as GPL, which kinda sucks |
| 00:33.24 | rhowe | MrPink: You can't see UNIX |
| 00:33.32 | rhowe | MrPink: You may well have seen KDE or something |
| 00:33.37 | MrPink | In a roundabout way underneath OSX |
| 00:33.49 | MrPink | DArwin? |
| 00:34.02 | rhowe | MrPink: Ah, so you have had some experience of the UNIX world |
| 00:34.03 | Leeds | ah, Darwin |
| 00:34.22 | Leeds | have you actually played with Darwin? it's pretty easy to use OSX without using Darwin at all |
| 00:34.23 | evangineer | MrPink: If you are interested in the history of Linux, an excellent book is Rebel Code by Glyn Moody. |
| 00:34.36 | MrPink | ok |
| 00:34.55 | MrPink | have you read the cathedrel and the bazarr? |
| 00:35.02 | MrPink | excuse my spelling |
| 00:35.18 | evangineer | I've read the original paper years ago |
| 00:35.25 | Leeds | I think we all have :-) |
| 00:35.40 | Leeds | MrPink: are you in or around London? |
| 00:35.46 | MrPink | yes |
| 00:36.04 | Leeds | are you busy on Saturday? :-) |
| 00:36.31 | MrPink | I see the meeting - unfortunately I may be in Berlin next saturday! |
| 00:36.44 | MrPink | annoyingly |
| 00:36.54 | Leeds | ah |
| 00:37.22 | MrPink | how often do you meet/ |
| 00:37.56 | Leeds | every 4-5 weeks or so... with other pub meets happening at other times... and there's Lonix too, once a month |
| 00:38.48 | MrPink | whats Lonix? |
| 00:39.12 | rhowe | STFW |
| 00:39.22 | Leeds | another LUG - meets during the week in London in a pub, then goes for food |
| 00:39.52 | MrPink | the peoples army of judea? |
| 00:39.57 | MrPink | ;) |
| 00:40.20 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:40.49 | Leeds | hang on... |
| 00:41.05 | Leeds | you're *not* referring to the photo on their site, are you? |
| 00:41.23 | MrPink | ahh no - monty python only |
| 00:42.01 | Leeds | ah, no... |
| 00:42.23 | Leeds | we've been known to be at events on stalls next to each other, with plaques on the desks... saying things like that |
| 00:42.29 | MrPink | Although Ive seen both web pages in my travels lately |
| 00:42.47 | Leeds | by the way, I'm a Red Sea pedestrian (and snorkeller, but that's by the by) and proud of it :-) |
| 00:43.57 | MrPink | I have a lot of questions so I may drop by here a few times |
| 00:44.00 | MrPink | if thats ok |
| 00:44.23 | evangineer | it's cool, there's usually someone around |
| 00:44.25 | Leeds | no problem |
| 00:44.50 | MrPink | Is there any GNU presence in London? |
| 00:45.15 | Leeds | the closest is the AFFS |
| 00:45.26 | MrPink | who they? |
| 00:45.46 | Leeds | STFW :-) |
| 00:45.50 | Leeds | ibot google for affs |
| 00:46.02 | gregj | www.affs.org.uk ? |
| 00:46.23 | Cope | gregj can stfw :o) |
| 00:46.37 | Cope | Hi gregj! |
| 00:46.38 | gregj | :] |
| 00:46.42 | Leeds | gregj can stfu :-P |
| 00:46.50 | MrPink | w?wiki? |
| 00:46.52 | gregj | as a matter of fact, i am going to sleep |
| 00:47.01 | gregj | and I have no slightless clue what stfu means |
| 00:47.01 | gregj | :] |
| 00:47.02 | Cope | Ok, sleep well. |
| 00:47.05 | gregj | but if you say so |
| 00:47.06 | gregj | :-) |
| 00:47.11 | MrPink | see the f'in w? |
| 00:47.11 | Leeds | MrPink: what about a wiki? |
| 00:47.17 | Leeds | oh... |
| 00:47.19 | MrPink | STFW? |
| 00:47.19 | Leeds | um... web? |
| 00:47.20 | Cope | Leeds: Good idea. |
| 00:47.26 | Cope | :-P |
| 00:47.31 | Leeds | Cope: I wasn't suggesting it! |
| 00:47.34 | gregj | see the facts in web |
| 00:47.35 | gregj | :> |
| 00:47.54 | MrPink | No im looking for opinion |
| 00:48.10 | Leeds | what opinion? |
| 00:48.28 | Cope | I think Chinese women are prettier than Japanese women/ |
| 00:48.37 | evangineer | The web is just as full of opinion as we are, if not even more so! |
| 00:48.41 | Cope | Mr Pink: Is that helpful? |
| 00:49.06 | gregj | hehe |
| 00:49.08 | MrPink | the web is a mess |
| 00:49.22 | Leeds | MrPink: so are we... |
| 00:50.51 | gregj | find /home/room -t bed |xargs -n mv gregj {} && sleep |
| 00:50.51 | Leeds | cp /proc/self /dev/bed |
| 00:50.54 | MrPink | thankyou for the chat. |
| 00:50.54 | evangineer | no problem |
| 00:51.20 | Leeds | np |
| 00:51.54 | MrPink | Was dying to ask about windows unix drive? |
| 00:51.58 | MrPink | any takers? |
| 00:52.08 | evangineer | Ask |
| 00:52.09 | MrPink | Another time> |
| 00:52.13 | Cope | ask away |
| 00:52.25 | Cope | You might not get a sensible or informative answer, but do ask. |
| 00:52.32 | Leeds | windows unix drive? |
| 00:52.46 | MrPink | MS are releasing their Unix development tools fro Windows for free |
| 00:52.53 | Cope | Ah yes. |
| 00:53.11 | Leeds | ah |
| 00:53.17 | Leeds | interix |
| 00:53.18 | evangineer | Has been a topic of discussion here. |
| 00:53.21 | Cope | As I see by huge adverts all over the place. |
| 00:53.28 | MrPink | which in a fantasy world means you might get fianl cut pro 4 to run on windows |
| 00:53.36 | Cope | I find them funny: |
| 00:53.36 | MrPink | final cut pro 4 |
| 00:53.39 | evangineer | Don't you believe it! |
| 00:53.48 | Cope | 'We're moving Windows into the Data Centre' |
| 00:53.51 | Cope | In whose world? |
| 00:54.14 | Leeds | MrPink: no, that's not going to happen |
| 00:54.21 | MrPink | Why? |
| 00:54.37 | Leeds | MrPink: firstly - just because a program runs on one UNIX doesn't mean it runs on another - trust me - I have commercial experience of this |
| 00:54.48 | Cope | Kinda like a formula one car designer saying: We're incorporating morris minor engines into our latest racing car. |
| 00:54.49 | MrPink | right |
| 00:54.55 | Leeds | and secondly... um... Apple machines are PowerPC... and Windows runs on x86 |
| 00:55.22 | MrPink | that may be another discussion... |
| 00:55.23 | Leeds | kind of like saying that since DVD and VHS both play video, you might be able to put the disk in the tape machine and have it play |
| 00:55.30 | MrPink | LOL |
| 00:55.39 | Leeds | Final Cut Pro certainly hasn't been released for x86 |
| 00:55.50 | Leeds | anyway - Aqua (Apple's UI system) isn't part of UNIX at all |
| 00:56.09 | Leeds | the standard UNIX GUI system is X... (X11, X Window System, etc. - not X Windows) |
| 00:56.10 | evangineer | Isn't fcp4 owned by Apple? |
| 00:56.16 | Leeds | evangineer: right |
| 00:56.19 | MrPink | yes |
| 00:56.47 | MrPink | They seem to have brought - everything - in house |
| 00:56.51 | evangineer | Apple will never ever port it to Windows, they would lose a strategic asset. |
| 00:56.57 | MrPink | true |
| 00:57.03 | Leeds | evangineer: right again |
| 00:57.50 | evangineer | Apple's edge lies in keeping things exclusive to their platform. |
| 00:58.10 | Leeds | evangineer: and/or in selling iPods to anyone who'll buy |
| 00:58.38 | MrPink | New question? |
| 00:58.52 | evangineer | let's hear it. |
| 00:59.09 | Leeds | If Tony Blair loses the fee battle, will Gordon Brown be contesting the next election? |
| 00:59.23 | Cope | MrPink: You must have heard the maxim: 'Don't ask to ask'? |
| 00:59.24 | MrPink | Someone tried to put a backdoor into Linux - what do you make of that? |
| 00:59.46 | Leeds | it was a clever backdoor, but a pretty crude attempt |
| 00:59.57 | MrPink | clever but crude? |
| 01:00.08 | evangineer | Yes, doomed to failure. |
| 01:00.11 | Leeds | the code itself was clever |
| 01:00.11 | Cope | crude, but clever, even. |
| 01:00.22 | Leeds | the attempt to get the backdoor into the kernel was crude |
| 01:00.35 | MrPink | because of open source |
| 01:00.38 | Leeds | y'all know what the backdoor was, right? |
| 01:01.03 | MrPink | vague idea here - to be honest |
| 01:01.22 | Leeds | very simple |
| 01:01.36 | Leeds | in C, == means "is equal to" |
| 01:01.42 | Leeds | = means "set to" |
| 01:02.17 | Leeds | so in one particular place, instead of it checking if you were root (the superuse, adminstrator, etc.) when you did a certain thing, it set you to root |
| 01:02.29 | Leeds | it's a very common coding error |
| 01:02.51 | MrPink | I remember reading that |
| 01:02.57 | MrPink | maybe in the register |
| 01:04.15 | Leeds | oops... the dead shop (I actually want to go there - apparently they have some cheap DVDs) is running on Linux |
| 01:04.44 | MrPink | the grateful dead? |
| 01:05.02 | Leeds | not so much, no |
| 01:05.38 | MrPink | camden? |
| 01:06.00 | Leeds | online... |
| 01:06.30 | Leeds | anyway... bedtime |
| 01:06.36 | Cope | nn leeds |
| 01:06.43 | evangineer | nn Leeds |
| 01:07.00 | MrPink | thank you for your help. |
| 01:07.11 | evangineer | np |
| 01:07.27 | Leeds | night all |
| 01:09.07 | evangineer | MrPink: You are in the movie business? |
| 01:09.23 | MrPink | No - |
| 01:09.49 | MrPink | but i am interetsted in parts of the story of linux |
| 01:10.06 | evangineer | Something to do with audiovisual production though. |
| 01:10.35 | MrPink | yes that is in my range of experience |
| 01:10.56 | MrPink | although this is a more personal interest you might say |
| 01:11.12 | evangineer | cool |
| 01:11.31 | MrPink | Tivos run Linux true? |
| 01:11.33 | evangineer | the linux story is certainly an interesting one. |
| 01:11.45 | MrPink | Its already been done |
| 01:11.52 | MrPink | Rebellion OS? |
| 01:11.57 | MrPink | IMDB it |
| 01:12.45 | evangineer | Saw Revolution OS last Sunday! |
| 01:12.59 | MrPink | no Where/ |
| 01:13.01 | MrPink | ? |
| 01:13.18 | evangineer | According to this URL, tivos run linux http://www.tivo.com/linux/index.html |
| 01:13.44 | evangineer | I saw it up in kentish town, it was a one off event. |
| 01:14.47 | evangineer | IIRC, www.holbornbooks.co.uk sell the Revolution OS DVD. |
| 01:16.06 | evangineer | You'll be able to get Rebel Code from them too. |
| 01:16.37 | MrPink | anyone tried the playstation 2 kit? |
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| 01:17.21 | evangineer | hmm - that was abrupt. |
| 01:23.47 | evangineer | nn all |
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| 06:43.53 | Cope | Ah morning nasrat |
| 06:44.20 | nasrat | morning |
| 06:44.56 | Cope | Do you reckon fedora will struggle on a 700MHz laptop with 128M Ram? |
| 06:47.53 | nasrat | hmm, processor should be fine. I tend to upgrade ram where possible as I do a lot of compiling |
| 06:48.50 | nasrat | think you'd have to do a text install |
| 06:49.14 | Cope | How embedded is the whole gnome thing? Could I just not install the gnome environment and then put something lighter on, or is that kind of missing the point? |
| 06:50.36 | nasrat | yes you could install fluxbox or something - I think fedora.us has that |
| 06:51.06 | Cope | using yum? |
| 06:51.29 | nasrat | yes - you'd need to add the fedora.us stable repo |
| 06:51.46 | nasrat | which at some point probably will become fedora extras |
| 06:52.23 | Cope | So install-wise would I install X but not gnome and kde stuff, basically. |
| 06:53.00 | nasrat | well you could not install XFree86 at all and then do yum install fluxbox |
| 06:53.27 | Cope | Hmm... might need some gnome libraries for some apps? |
| 06:53.52 | nasrat | true - again they should be met through dependancies and depsolver |
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| 06:55.35 | Cope | Is yum preferred over the rpm apt tool? |
| 06:55.39 | Cope | Morning zachary |
| 06:58.49 | zachary | morn Cope |
| 06:59.20 | nasrat | if you install apt - get it from fedora.us, you might be better with apt on lower memory machine until common metadata yum. new apt uses rpmlib, and has mirror selection - lots of nice things |
| 07:01.07 | Cope | nasrat is fedora.us an ftp site? |
| 07:01.37 | nasrat | see mirror list there |
| 07:07.48 | Cope | to play with... |
| 07:08.55 | Cope | Hmm. Seems very good. |
| 07:09.39 | Cope | So would you advise using rh 9 + apt or fedora + apt for the laptop? |
| 07:10.40 | nasrat | if your rh 9 install is reasonably clean of external packages you can probably safely do a live upgrade to fc1 |
| 07:11.30 | Cope | oh - I have fc1 disk set |
| 07:11.36 | nasrat | depends on what you want. some stuff in fc1 like prelink make it snappier. |
| 07:11.55 | nasrat | you can also do an upgrade from 9 using cds |
| 07:12.45 | Cope | well the laptop has nothing on atm |
| 07:14.07 | nasrat | ah ok - I'd try fc1 if you want to try it. Distribution choice is as much or even more of a personal decision as it is a technical one |
| 07:14.12 | Cope | my question is, I guess, if I maintain the system with apt-tools, I could install rh 9 rather than fedora... main benefit being that all the production systems at work are rhel 2.1 or 3 - so rh9 is closer, I guess. |
| 07:14.44 | nasrat | rhel 3 is closer to fc1 - they developed in parallel and split. |
| 07:14.51 | nasrat | 2.1 closest to 7.2 |
| 07:15.59 | nasrat | rhel 3.x or 4 or whatever will do same so I'd look at fc1. then play with fc2/3 for selinux/2.6 familiarity to prep for next rhel release |
| 07:16.39 | Cope | ok |
| 07:17.30 | nasrat | as your reason for running it is both consitency with work and I guess play/practise. Though it's really upto you :) |
| 07:18.09 | nasrat | though I would checkout memory updgrade prices :) |
| 07:18.14 | Cope | mmm |
| 07:18.32 | Cope | 128 to 256 should be painless |
| 07:20.13 | nasrat | if you plan on using the laptop a lot that is, but as you mentioned you could just run a light weight wm on it |
| 07:20.56 | zachary | bbl |
| 07:22.08 | Cope | nasrat: I'll probably do both |
| 07:22.18 | Cope | memory is good anyway! :o) |
| 07:23.49 | nasrat | you started your new job? |
| 07:24.43 | Cope | yeah, yesterday |
| 07:25.34 | Cope | ok work |
| 07:25.39 | Cope | Bye for now |
| 07:25.46 | nasrat | have fun |
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| 08:12.35 | mozrat | Mornin' Zach |
| 08:12.59 | zachary | moin mozrat |
| 08:59.57 | wethrin | Morning |
| 09:00.04 | mozrat | Hi |
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| 09:08.45 | Beth_ | Hi all |
| 09:08.51 | wethrin | hi |
| 09:09.16 | Leeds | hallo |
| 09:09.21 | Beth_ | Howz u all?? |
| 09:09.47 | wethrin | It's too early |
| 09:10.02 | Leeds | indeed |
| 09:12.04 | Beth_ | lol |
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| 09:13.44 | Nutshell | puts on some Iron Maiden to wake him up |
| 09:14.00 | wethrin | But on the plus side, $US_SEWER is back up again after dying last night |
| 09:14.16 | wethrin | With, as usual, bugger-all in the logs to indicate what went wrong |
| 09:16.20 | wethrin | Heh: |
| 09:16.25 | wethrin | But it can't beat a "ten grand cluster that serves as a room coffee table after redundancies left upgrade projects on hold". |
| 09:16.45 | Leeds | heh |
| 09:19.54 | Nutshell | now i'm awake even if a little deaf now :) |
| 09:22.40 | Nutshell | the they have just finished making the last episode of friends |
| 09:22.50 | mozrat | Does anyone know of a PCAnywhere client for Linux?? |
| 09:23.01 | Nutshell | to be shown in the states in may |
| 09:25.12 | wethrin | wine pcanywhere |
| 09:29.40 | mozrat | wethrin: tell them to use VNC seems the quickest option |
| 09:30.05 | wethrin | Well, that too |
| 09:31.31 | highbury | morning |
| 09:32.32 | anth | Remote Desktop Protocol (aka Terminal Services) may be an option |
| 09:33.22 | mozrat | anth: thanks tried that.... its a W2K server in Copenhagen.... my Danish is shaky enough without asking people to install additional bits of software!! |
| 09:42.25 | Leeds | so I was playing around last night... and I can use a pair of videolan clients to efficiently stream TV over my wireless LAN |
| 09:42.49 | Leeds | I didn't realise that vlc would both transcode video then serve it out |
| 09:43.00 | wethrin | Ooh. I thought you needed VLserver |
| 09:44.19 | Leeds | exactly |
| 09:44.23 | Leeds | I was quite impressed :-) |
| 09:54.47 | Leeds | get an opteron (or athlon64) instead - much cheaper |
| 10:00.00 | wethrin | But I don't want a PeeCee |
| 10:00.17 | wethrin | They suck :) |
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| 10:31.11 | Cope | hi all |
| 10:31.31 | wethrin | HI! |
| 10:31.41 | zachary | Hey Cope |
| 10:50.00 | wethrin | #!/bin/sh |
| 10:50.04 | wethrin | echo This is a script |
| 10:50.07 | wethrin | There you go :) |
| 10:50.14 | wethrin | The first one's free, BWT |
| 10:53.07 | Cope | lol |
| 10:53.27 | Cope | I have to write a script to time how long it takes to get a file from an ftp server |
| 11:01.58 | wethrin | time wget ftp://ftp.foo....... |
| 11:10.11 | Cope | Hmm... |
| 11:10.49 | Cope | Isn't that going to attempt an anonymous login? |
| 11:11.24 | wethrin | ftp://user:pass@ftp.foo.... |
| 11:21.28 | Leeds | or even just parse the output of wget... |
| 11:22.01 | Cope | hmm... don't have wget on the machine |
| 11:22.06 | wethrin | Well install it :) |
| 11:22.09 | Cope | How can I send raw ftp |
| 11:22.11 | wethrin | Or see if you have curl |
| 11:22.16 | Leeds | curl can probably do the same thing |
| 11:22.34 | wethrin | You can't easily send raw FTP because of the horribleness of the protocol |
| 11:23.18 | Cope | Hmm - don't have curl either afaics |
| 11:23.26 | wethrin | Can you script ftp? |
| 11:23.29 | Leeds | oops |
| 11:23.36 | Leeds | wethrin: yes, you can |
| 11:23.45 | wethrin | Oh good. Do that then :) |
| 11:23.45 | Leeds | .netrc |
| 11:24.46 | Leeds | it's not particularly pretty, but it works |
| 11:24.47 | wethrin | Hm. |
| 11:25.01 | wethrin | I can do ftp host.domain < ftp_commands |
| 11:25.16 | wethrin | And it almost waits, but it hangs at the password prompt |
| 11:25.43 | wethrin | But if you specify the u/p on the command line... |
| 11:26.13 | Leeds | alternatively, you setup the instructions in .netrc and just run it as "ftp machinename" |
| 11:26.26 | wethrin | cool. Is that general, or Solaris-only? |
| 11:26.36 | Leeds | it's on Linux, at least |
| 11:26.41 | Leeds | I assume it's on Solaris :-) |
| 11:27.06 | Leeds | yup, it's there |
| 11:32.54 | Leeds | Cope: what system are you on anyway? |
| 11:33.39 | Cope | Leeds: Well, will be solaris 8, but I'm not on that box yet - this box is redhat |
| 11:33.46 | Leeds | ah, okay, S8 :-( |
| 11:33.49 | Leeds | that's a pity |
| 11:34.22 | Cope | The wget script works fine from this redhat box though |
| 11:34.41 | Cope | Trouble is that the machine that the script is supposed to run from is S8 |
| 11:34.49 | Leeds | do you know the Companion CD? |
| 11:35.03 | Cope | Installing software isn't an option. |
| 11:35.14 | wethrin | Aren't you a sysadmin there? |
| 11:35.20 | Leeds | even if it's software from Sun? |
| 11:36.17 | Leeds | what, you don't trust us or something? :-) |
| 11:38.44 | Cope | lol |
| 11:39.09 | Cope | Very tight controls on what you can and can't install on boxes. |
| 11:39.23 | Leeds | if it were S9 you'd be better off... |
| 11:39.48 | Cope | Turns out we now don't know for sure it is S8 could even be windows, so has to be written in perl |
| 11:40.07 | Cope | And also wants to put a file as well as get a file. |
| 11:40.13 | Cope | Ho hum. |
| 11:40.24 | wethrin | Use Net::FTP in Perl, then, I think |
| 11:40.32 | Leeds | if you can install perl modules you should be home and dry |
| 11:40.34 | Cope | I know about as much perl as I know japanese |
| 11:41.51 | Leeds | well, I dunno about Perl, but I'd think about 5 lines of Python to put or get a file over FTP and time it |
| 11:42.07 | wethrin | That would require installing Python :) |
| 11:42.12 | wethrin | At it's probably easier to install wget |
| 11:42.26 | Leeds | oh no, sure... |
| 11:42.29 | Cope | what about putting a file onto the remote machine |
| 11:42.33 | Leeds | but I mean it can't be that much harder in Perl |
| 11:42.46 | wethrin | Moon onna stick |
| 11:45.12 | Leeds | Cope: well... in Python... :-) you'd use storbinary rather than retrbinary - not really hard... |
| 11:47.35 | wethrin | c'ya |
| 11:49.16 | Cope | Could one use netcat? |
| 11:49.22 | wethrin | Not for FTP |
| 11:49.29 | Cope | gah |
| 11:49.43 | Cope | So how can I time putting a file onto the ftp server? |
| 11:49.47 | wethrin | Netcat is used to make a connection to one port. |
| 11:49.57 | wethrin | A lot of FTP clients will tell you how long it took |
| 12:06.57 | wethrin | Time to go to Uni. Bye |
| 12:07.07 | Cope | bye :o) |
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| 12:22.40 | Cope | Hi Leeds |
| 12:22.47 | Leeds | hi |
| 12:30.23 | Cope | http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/xfertest/xfertest |
| 12:30.30 | Cope | A modifiable script... |
| 12:41.50 | Leeds | I'd write my own |
| 12:43.45 | Cope | I would too, if I could... that will come. |
| 12:49.04 | Leeds | no time like the present |
| 12:54.38 | Cope | I'm kinda copying bits from the samba one into a job-specific script. |
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| 12:57.05 | pie | Yay! |
| 12:57.11 | pie | I got coldfusion working! |
| 12:57.30 | pie | I had to put RedHat 7.0 back on and use the installation media |
| 12:57.44 | pie | I think it was the version of glibc that was causing the problem. |
| 12:58.35 | Leeds | bloody glibc |
| 13:00.21 | pie | Yes, well, bloody coldfusion aswell. |
| 13:00.29 | pie | Now I only need to get Sybase working. |
| 13:00.36 | pie | After lunch though. |
| 13:00.42 | evangineer | pie: if you had got back to me about the distro version, I could have told you about the compat libs |
| 13:00.56 | pie | Sorry, I have been really busy |
| 13:01.25 | pie | Sometimes I don't have time to drink my coffee and it goes cold, I am that busy. |
| 13:01.27 | evangineer | least you've got it working |
| 13:01.34 | pie | Yea |
| 13:02.10 | evangineer | if you're that busy, perhaps you need a new workmate! |
| 13:03.13 | Nutshell | pie I'll make coffee for and drink it :) |
| 13:04.06 | Cope | Hmm - is there any reason not to use _ in a hostname? |
| 13:08.01 | Leeds | I don't think it's meant to be a valid character... it may work, but not reliably |
| 13:14.59 | Leeds | I think you're right |
| 13:15.05 | Leeds | :-) |
| 13:38.24 | murb | moin |
| 13:38.28 | zachary | bbl |
| 13:41.35 | Cope | hi all |
| 13:42.21 | Cope | Anyone know the routine to print the pretty spinning wheel while you wait? I read it the other day, but didn't make a note. |
| 13:46.32 | rhowe | char[] wheel="|/-\"; int i = 0; while (notdone) { printf("%c", wheel[i]); dostuff(); i = (i + 1) % strlen(wheel); printf($ERASECHARACTER); } |
| 13:46.39 | rhowe | where $ERASECHARACTER I can't remember |
| 13:46.42 | rhowe | Something like that anyway |
| 13:52.06 | pie | evangineer: We might be looking at some point, if I can get a job spec I will send it to the list, but it may be handled internally. |
| 13:52.29 | Cope | rhowe: woo |
| 13:52.44 | rhowe | Cope: Go learn C :) |
| 13:53.02 | Cope | rhowe: as well as everything else... :o) |
| 13:53.08 | rhowe | Cope: I think erase is \b, but I'm not sure.. \a is bell, I know that much |
| 13:53.37 | Cope | rhowe: cool cool. anyway - got rdesktop now... going to try and connect. |
| 13:59.52 | murb | Cope: ta for the forward btw. |
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| 14:03.10 | Cope | murb: any good? |
| 14:03.33 | murb | unfortunly not. |
| 14:07.00 | Cope | As in not suitable for you? |
| 14:07.39 | murb | yeah. |
| 14:07.44 | rhowe | Cope: You could just do "printf("o");" and claim that the wheel is spinning, but since it's perfectly round and uniform, you just can't tell |
| 14:12.36 | Cope | rhowe: hmm - connected to citrix server, but not accepting my password; fine when I log on from a windows box - any obvious things to check? |
| 14:12.59 | rhowe | Cope: rdesktop isn't for Citrix, it's for Terminal Services. You need the ICQ client |
| 14:14.03 | Cope | hmm? rdesktop brings up the w2k login screen? |
| 14:14.10 | Cope | Maybe I don't mean citrix |
| 14:14.17 | rhowe | no, you don't :) |
| 14:14.24 | Cope | So... |
| 14:14.27 | rhowe | rdesktop -u $username |
| 14:15.16 | Cope | I have@ |
| 14:15.19 | Cope | : |
| 14:15.34 | anth | I've found that it works best (ie at all) if I specify the username but not the password on the command line |
| 14:16.58 | Cope | Ah, |
| 14:17.17 | Cope | I can log into the -exchange- server; but not the terminal server. |
| 14:17.37 | Cope | Takes some time before the terminal server is updated with my exchange password |
| 14:23.05 | wethrin | zachary: Has the Thinkgeek stuff arrived yet? |
| 14:23.16 | Cope | Thinkgeek++ |
| 14:23.28 | wethrin | TG wants me to spend money. |
| 14:24.23 | wethrin | Buy? T-Shirt? What is this heresy? |
| 14:24.30 | Cope | lol |
| 14:26.31 | murb | Cope: does it lisen on port 1494 ? |
| 14:26.45 | murb | if it does you'll need the citrix client. |
| 14:41.39 | Leeds | rhowe: 'o' isn't perfectly round on my screen |
| 14:42.49 | rhowe | Leeds: He can blame that on your screen and/or font distorting his perfect wheel |
| 14:42.56 | Leeds | :-) |
| 14:43.28 | rhowe | Cope: If you don't change your password on the PDC, you have to wait for the next replication (every 15mins IIRC) |
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| 15:23.48 | Cope | hi gregj |
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| 15:27.26 | formi | morning |
| 15:27.49 | zachary | moin formi |
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| 15:28.55 | formi | any soul using freshrpms.net for rh updates? aka ayo |
| 15:31.44 | Cope | formi: have done - what's wrong? |
| 15:32.39 | wethrin | I did. |
| 15:32.40 | formi | do you know if they have a mailing list to discuss security issues, or when an update is out? |
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| 15:40.22 | Cope | formi: I don't - isn't there a faq or something that would discuss this? |
| 15:40.48 | formi | afaik nope |
| 15:41.00 | Cope | I see |
| 15:41.12 | formi | there is a general lists, for issues with yum, apt-get ... |
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| 15:41.41 | formi | just noticed there is a sec warning for midnight commander |
| 15:41.41 | Cope | Why aren't you using up2date or apt / yum? |
| 15:41.56 | formi | not sure if the version i got is "problematic" |
| 15:42.06 | formi | i am using yum |
| 15:42.08 | wethrin | rpm -e mc |
| 15:42.10 | wethrin | Problem solved |
| 15:42.34 | nasrat | formi: what version - it's a pretty obscure bug too. fix at fedoralegacy updates-testing, but release may have less hacky fix |
| 15:42.56 | formi | its 4.55 something |
| 15:43.15 | Cope | whoami |
| 15:43.21 | Cope | hmm |
| 15:43.26 | Cope | I am Cope |
| 15:43.28 | wethrin | youarecope |
| 15:43.46 | formi | well, im the only user who regularly logs into the machine, so might blowing it up a bit too much |
| 15:43.48 | wethrin | Hm. Does anyone use Archie any more? |
| 15:44.00 | Leeds | wethrin: no |
| 15:44.12 | wethrin | Oh well. |
| 15:44.14 | Cope | The oracle speaks. |
| 15:44.25 | nasrat | wethrin: there is some gopherspace around, but archie and wais are dead I think |
| 15:45.24 | Leeds | Cope: do *you* know of anyone using archie? |
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| 15:48.00 | Leeds | wethrin: don't worry - they're happy in the great RFC archive in the sky |
| 15:48.30 | wethrin | RFC < 100? |
| 15:49.04 | Cope | Leeds: I don't know anyone using archie. |
| 15:49.15 | Leeds | ? |
| 15:49.47 | Cope | 15:51 < Leeds> Cope: do *you* know of anyone using archie? |
| 15:50.03 | Leeds | Cope: sorry... that ? was for wethrin |
| 15:50.29 | Cope | Ah |
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| 15:55.51 | Cope | mozrat: ehoh |
| 15:56.19 | mozrat | Cope: Cope |
| 15:56.53 | mozrat | Cope; nasrat: Apologies, I can't attend Saturdays gig... best of luck to you both |
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| 15:57.08 | wethrin | Bad mozrat :) |
| 15:57.43 | Cope | mozrat: :-( |
| 15:57.46 | mozrat | wethrin: Afraid I'm working up the road, I may catch the second half so to speak |
| 15:58.39 | wethrin | As long as you're there for the most important part |
| 15:58.41 | wethrin | (the pub) |
| 15:59.04 | Cope | And to meet William |
| 15:59.05 | wethrin | Right. Oxford time |
| 15:59.15 | Cope | tzconfig? |
| 15:59.32 | wethrin | Yes. In 2 hours I shall hopefully be sipping a pleasurable ping |
| 15:59.33 | wethrin | *pint |
| 15:59.40 | wethrin | bye! |
| 15:59.42 | Leeds | Cope: you're bringing William and Sophie along? |
| 16:00.08 | Leeds | or rather... they're accompanying you? |
| 16:00.09 | murb | pints? |
| 16:00.20 | nasrat | mmm, beer |
| 16:00.31 | Leeds | murb suddenly wakes up... |
| 16:00.50 | Cope | Leeds: I am |
| 16:01.52 | evangineer | Hmm, if someone is "SIPping a pleasurable PING" does that mean they are having phone sex using VOIP? |
| 16:02.20 | evangineer | rhowe: ? |
| 16:02.59 | murb | rhowe: upgrade them to EtchSketch devices! |
| 16:03.14 | rhowe | evangineer: $ceo has a machine for which the Sony Memory Stick reader will only work for admin users, so I was trying to walk him through adding a local user with admin rights for him to use when on the road, except it didn't work, so then I had to walk him through installing VNC and runningit |
| 16:03.39 | evangineer | rhowe: ouch! |
| 16:07.06 | evangineer | brb |
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| 16:11.55 | rhowe | evangineer: Then of course it was a 2min job over the VPN |
| 16:14.37 | Leeds | ouch |
| 16:14.37 | Leeds | started too late to make this month's payroll? |
| 16:15.41 | rhowe | Cope: Try for a credit increase on your credit card.. they will quite often do it |
| 16:15.55 | evangineer | Cope: double ouch |
| 16:16.25 | Cope | rhowe: that somewhat presupposes that I have a credit card. |
| 16:16.40 | Cope | Leeds: yeah. |
| 16:18.32 | Leeds | :-( |
| 16:20.55 | Leeds | smoking isn't going to help things |
| 16:24.25 | Leeds | you're very appealing! |
| 16:25.12 | Leeds | what, on Friday evenings? |
| 16:25.56 | highbury | cope; try to avoid making waves, in the first week of your job |
| 16:26.38 | Cope | highbury: good advice... but I have no other avenues. |
| 16:27.44 | highbury | you'll just have to tough it out. All you can do is have a private work with your immedate manager, even so, I'd recommend not saying anything further. |
| 16:28.18 | highbury | cos I suspect you've already said a lot. |
| 16:29.56 | Cope | highbury: Well, no - I enquired about possibility, was told no, replied very calmly explaining my situation and asking if it was worth appealing. |
| 16:31.12 | highbury | thats probably enough then, sorry. You honestly want to keep a low profile, other than shining at your work. |
| 16:32.18 | Cope | highbury: seriously, thanks for the warning though - when one is feeling annoyed its easy to say unwise things. |
| 16:43.52 | rhowe | tact isn't something I practise much |
| 18:06.41 | formi | would you say free() errors might be produced by faulty RAM? |
| 18:07.00 | nasrat | formi: dbenv stuff? |
| 18:07.14 | nasrat | formi: show me error messge if not too long |
| 18:07.22 | nasrat | plus rpm version |
| 18:07.35 | formi | this is fbsd 5.2 |
| 18:07.54 | nasrat | oh misread RAM as rpm |
| 18:07.57 | nasrat | doh |
| 18:08.01 | formi | things like sendmail, sshd, top are crashing |
| 18:08.37 | Leeds | run memtest86 for a few hours... |
| 18:08.50 | formi | i rebuild the machine yesterday and left the processor fun not well seated |
| 18:09.08 | formi | after 2 hours of make world, i started having problems |
| 18:09.27 | Leeds | well doesn't that sound more like heat? |
| 18:09.47 | formi | now it happens when booted from cold |
| 18:10.50 | formi | i don't really fancy the stress memtest86 puts on the floppy drive |
| 18:10.59 | Leeds | huh? |
| 18:11.16 | formi | I will remove 2 of the ram modules and leave only one |
| 18:11.53 | formi | Leeds: last time i used it, it was writing to memory and writing? to the floppy constantly |
| 18:12.00 | nasrat | formi: make a bootable memtest cd. |
| 18:12.07 | Leeds | I thought you could run it from CD |
| 18:12.09 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:12.11 | Leeds | :-) |
| 18:13.01 | formi | another thing i am thinking about is throwing knoppix to it, that'll stress all the memory and take the blame out of freebsd |
| 18:14.01 | rhowe | IIRC, I booted memtest from PXE last time I used it :) |
| 18:14.02 | Leeds | I don't understand why you won't run memtest |
| 18:19.11 | formi | just booted morphix, knoppix has disappeared |
| 18:19.30 | rhowe | heh, I say "gong hei fat choi" to a friend and she replies with an excerpt from her firewall log |
| 18:19.58 | rhowe | formi: memtest doesn't access the floppy at all while it is running, btw |
| 18:20.06 | rhowe | formi: You can even take the floppy out as soon as it's booted |
| 18:20.14 | formi | mmm |
| 18:20.21 | Leeds | can anyone remember how much that cheap'n'nasty wifi card was Jason was talking about a week or two back? |
| 18:20.37 | formi | it was about a year ago when i last used it |
| 18:21.04 | formi | Leeds: there was somebody flogging cisco 340 a while ago, 100 of them |
| 18:21.16 | formi | i got 4 at 14.50quid each |
| 18:21.19 | Leeds | formi: no, it was a specific new deal... |
| 18:21.29 | Leeds | anyway - Maplins now has them at 12.99 retail! |
| 18:21.38 | formi | which ones? |
| 18:21.50 | Leeds | pcmcia |
| 18:22.05 | Leeds | binatone |
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| 18:26.31 | formi | any idea about the chipset? |
| 18:27.20 | formi | anyway, I would pay 14.50 for a cisco that works, than 13 for something dodgy |
| 18:27.45 | murb | formi: be careful someone was selling lots of 35mw cisco cards |
| 18:27.49 | murb | rather than 50mw |
| 18:28.21 | formi | i do have a 50mw cisco 350 |
| 18:28.50 | formi | for home usage the 340s are more than enough |
| 18:29.44 | murb | formi: do you have the special cisco configurator thing for it? |
| 18:29.49 | formi | actually i have one of the 340s in this laptop right now |
| 18:29.58 | Leeds | so does anyone know if there are any supported 802.11g cards yet? |
| 18:30.03 | formi | murb: there is no need for it |
| 18:30.41 | formi | mandrake works fine with them with iwconfig, freebsd has ancontrol |
| 18:32.59 | formi | murb: i do have the cisco soft on the xp flatmate's laptop, :->, at least is useful for somehting |
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| 18:47.22 | flambe | 'lo |
| 18:47.45 | pie_ | 'lo |
| 18:47.57 | Leeds | mmm... hot pie |
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| 18:48.17 | pie_ | Hmmm, pie. |
| 18:48.45 | pie_ | which one? |
| 18:48.58 | pie_ | I got an 802.11b (Belkin) |
| 18:49.22 | Leeds | netgear WG311 seems a good bet |
| 18:49.22 | pie_ | Closed source drivers though, and won't work with a kernel later than 2.4.19 (or something) |
| 18:49.41 | pie_ | Does Linux do 802.11g yet? |
| 18:49.48 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:49.53 | pie_ | Ooooh. |
| 18:50.00 | Leeds | apparently, one of the chipset companies even released a GPLed driver! :-) |
| 18:50.18 | rhowe | I really need to roll my own install CDs for this crap.. it takes over an hour per machine atm |
| 18:50.28 | pie_ | http://home.hellacool.co.uk/temp/churchsign.jpg |
| 18:50.47 | rhowe | s/God/Bill/ |
| 18:51.01 | rhowe | +g? :) |
| 18:53.13 | formi | i loaded morphix and a shitload of games, machine running properly |
| 18:59.46 | formi | just J.Clarkson destroying a laptop on bbc 2 |
| 19:00.07 | Leeds | formi: in the computer museum at Bletchley Park - which we like |
| 19:00.12 | formi | i shall complain and sue for the distress |
| 19:01.03 | formi | the bloke is unbelivable, not enough he has with the car pollution he creates then he destroys hardware |
| 19:02.50 | formi | hei, I have one of those fuses |
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| 19:41.22 | formi | quite fiery adsl you've got there! |
| 19:44.22 | SpudULike | http://junk.dawnshadow.se/yp010.swf - Shirley, this isn't what the internet is for? |
| 19:44.30 | Leeds | formi: who? |
| 19:44.43 | formi | the dog walker |
| 19:45.20 | formi | bulldogdsl.comm :) |
| 19:46.10 | Leeds | why fiery? |
| 19:46.39 | formi | bulldogs are not the most easygoing doggies in same situations |
| 20:02.57 | Cope | nasrat: hey ho |
| 20:03.13 | nasrat | hi Cope |
| 20:05.01 | Cope | nasrat: is it a known bug for gpm to die under fc1? Mouse locked up twice; once recovered upon restarting X, once I had to bail out into a console and restart gpm manually. |
| 20:06.18 | nasrat | Cope: hmm not afaik. |
| 20:13.53 | Cope | I'll see how it develops |
| 20:14.00 | Cope | This is on a desktop machine. |
| 20:16.47 | nasrat | Cope: ok sorry bit busy cooking so often afk |
| 20:18.26 | Cope | nasrat: np |
| 20:22.37 | Cope | No disassemble number 5 |
| 20:23.56 | Leeds | johnny 5 is alive! |
| 20:24.27 | formi | switch off your pcs |
| 20:24.50 | Cope | formi: Why? |
| 20:25.20 | formi | * According to Connexion by Boeing, the average home contains 250 devices that someday could be connected to the Internet via IPv6. |
| 20:25.58 | formi | that probably because Leeds has gazillions of them |
| 20:26.43 | formi | well my toothbrush has batteries |
| 20:32.55 | Leeds | so we can get VNC up and running and I can fix her network |
| 20:33.54 | Cope | ooh |
| 20:35.28 | Leeds | bah, python |
| 20:35.37 | Cope | That's what I want to use. |
| 20:35.45 | Leeds | but you can't, I know |
| 20:35.47 | Cope | But I don't think its on the windows machines. |
| 20:36.13 | Cope | perl is the only language that is on every architecture and os |
| 20:36.22 | Leeds | so get it installed! Perl isn't exactly part of the standard windows install, is it? |
| 20:36.39 | Cope | Later. |
| 20:38.20 | pawel | :-( |
| 20:38.28 | Cope | http://wibbleworld.demon.co.uk/photos/sweet_wm.jpg - recent pic of William looking quite nice. |
| 20:40.30 | Leeds | ah :-) |
| 20:41.45 | pawel | Cope, it's your boy? |
| 21:00.15 | evangineer | piesquared = pie * pie_; |
| 21:01.16 | formi | how many hours of difference do we have with .aus |
| 21:01.19 | formi | ? |
| 21:02.30 | evangineer | ibot google worldclock |
| 21:03.45 | formi | guys when i asked a question is because i don't want to spend x amount of time searching for the question |
| 21:05.53 | Leeds | there are multiple timezones in australia |
| 21:06.18 | formi | where's kim lately? |
| 21:06.25 | Leeds | Sydney |
| 21:06.45 | Leeds | AFAIK |
| 21:06.48 | formi | alright |
| 21:29.14 | Leeds | bloody hell it took over 30 minutes to talk my mum through installing a VNC server on her machine! |
| 21:29.27 | Leeds | for some reason, she couldn't download it over HTTP, so we had to use ftp... |
| 21:36.41 | Cope | tech-support leeds |
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| 21:41.09 | pie__ | bloody power cut. |
| 21:41.23 | pie__ | *twice* in half an hour |
| 21:41.37 | stephen | ouch, we had a power cut earlier |
| 21:41.46 | pie__ | my firewall didn't have time to finish booting before the power went again the second time. |
| 21:43.48 | pie__ | And the firewall at the office which I meant to plug into the UPS has gone down too because I never got round to it... |
| 21:44.02 | pie__ | and it won't come back up without manual intervention... |
| 21:46.31 | pie__ | Any one know how to increase the timeout for messages queued for re-attempted delivery after a failure? |
| 21:46.36 | pie__ | in exim? |
| 21:49.34 | Cope | pie: where are you (location of power cut) |
| 21:51.38 | pie | wimbledon |
| 21:51.47 | pie | office is in mitcham and was also affected |
| 21:52.03 | pie | you? |
| 21:52.20 | Cope | nw6 - power is ok |
| 21:52.29 | pie | Ah |
| 21:56.53 | pie | Phew, my exim rules on the live server will retry mail for up to 4 days. |
| 21:57.00 | pie | nothing should get bounced. |
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| 22:52.08 | rhowe | She always unplugs my alarm clock for the vacuum cleaner |
| 22:52.22 | rhowe | Then again, I am using every single socket in here.. |
| 22:52.36 | rhowe | (with the help of 3 multigang socket strips) |
| 22:52.49 | Leeds | heh |
| 22:53.08 | rhowe | still not enough sockets though.. need more power :) |
| 22:53.33 | rhowe | 3rd monitor has nowhere to get power, and if I get my 5th PC from home, nowhere to plug that in either, unless I plug it into another PC :) |
| 22:54.45 | Cope | rhowe: hi ho |
| 22:55.02 | murb | you have a cleaner? |
| 22:55.40 | rhowe | murb: Yeah, flatmate's idea |
| 22:55.51 | Cope | a flatmate? |
| 22:55.55 | rhowe | She does the ironing and the washing up and stuff |
| 22:56.00 | rhowe | Cope: Yeah, Claire |
| 22:56.10 | Cope | The kenyan? |
| 22:56.13 | rhowe | Cope: Yup |
| 22:56.49 | Cope | hot water+++ |
| 22:57.05 | rhowe | This Kill Bill encoding is one of the worst bits of encoding I've ever seen in my life |
| 22:57.57 | rhowe | OK, so it's rare to have hot running water, but still |
| 22:59.01 | Cope | reasonably enough |
| 23:00.22 | Leeds | rhowe: I've got a very high quality copy |
| 23:00.40 | rhowe | Leeds: I think my boss does too, but I'll need to remember to take in my OpenGL manual before he'll give it to me :) |
| 23:00.45 | Leeds | heh |
| 23:00.55 | rhowe | Leeds: So, if you feel inclined to make your copy available somehow... :) |
| 23:01.58 | Leeds | I'll need to buy blank DVDs first |
| 23:02.37 | Leeds | but you won't be here at the weekend, right? |
| 23:02.57 | rhowe | Doesn't look much like it |
| 23:04.08 | Leeds | otherwise I could make you a copy in the pub... |
| 23:04.25 | rhowe | Ah, well, it'll have to wait, I suppose |
| 23:04.41 | rhowe | I could supply Cope with a couple of blank discs.. |
| 23:04.52 | Leeds | possibly |
| 23:05.14 | rhowe | And in other news, Excel Saga vol. 5 shipped today! |
| 23:05.22 | rhowe | UK edition |
| 23:05.27 | Leeds | okay |
| 23:06.02 | rhowe | "Your Amazon.co.uk order has dispatched 1 Excel Saga - Vol. 5 - Episode 14.98 GBP 1 14.98 GBP" |
| 23:06.06 | Leeds | ah |
| 23:16.02 | pie | rhowe: I hate that, it takes hours. |
| 23:17.10 | rhowe | pie: Yup |
| 23:17.24 | rhowe | murb: Illegal to use Ghost on desktop copies of MS OS'es - it's against the license |
| 23:17.25 | pie | Leeds: Oooooh, Kill Bill huh, got a copy, uh, lying around anywhere? |
| 23:18.20 | murb | rhowe: I don't think it is illegal. |
| 23:18.37 | murb | rhowe: if it was why would it have nice enterprice features for rolling out standard images etc? |
| 23:18.49 | murb | rhowe: have you looked at m$ scripted installatinos. |
| 23:19.48 | rhowe | murb: If you don't have a volume license, it's against the license agreement, from what I read on MS's site |
| 23:22.29 | Leeds | pie: I might :-) |
| 23:23.12 | murb | rhowe: microsoft don't like it, so screw them. |
| 23:23.37 | pie | Leeds: Ooooh, excellent |
| 23:24.10 | rhowe | murb: I'm just going to fix something up via PXE |
| 23:24.23 | murb | rhowe: with scripted installs? |
| 23:24.31 | murb | scripted installatinos are very very nice things to have. |
| 23:24.48 | murb | and are well worth the time to put together, even if you don't have it. |
| 23:25.02 | rhowe | murb: Yes |
| 23:25.22 | rhowe | murb: We just needed these machines ready by Thursday and so I did it manually |
| 23:26.07 | rhowe | murb: I've got a customised IE6 installer already, next job is Office, and then I can tackle Windows. First I'll streamline a service pack in with the installer.. that'll reduce install time quite a lot (the IE6 bundle has a lot of fixes in it too..) |
| 23:26.30 | rhowe | murb: Reconfigure squid to cache larger things, so that there's virtually nil download time for Windows update, etc.. should provide a reasonably interim solution |
| 23:37.45 | rhowe | VO: [xv] 320x136 => 320x136 Planar YV12 [fs] |
| 23:37.57 | rhowe | Who the HELL encodes a film at 320x136?! |
| 23:38.03 | murb | digital cameras |
| 23:38.16 | rhowe | murb: This is a widescreen film |
| 23:38.22 | rhowe | murb: 2h long |
| 23:38.26 | murb | hahah |
| 23:38.32 | rhowe | And somehow, 700Mb |
| 23:38.35 | murb | how is the sound encoced? |
| 23:38.45 | rhowe | VIDEO: [DX50] 320x136 24bpp 29.970 fps 711.2 kbps (86.8 kbyte/s) |
| 23:38.46 | murb | can you put up with 2 hours of that? |
| 23:38.52 | rhowe | AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 16000->176400 (128.0 kbit) |
| 23:38.52 | rhowe | Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm:mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) |
| 23:39.12 | rhowe | 711Kbit DivX 5?! hahaha they could've done it with 80Kbit easily |
| 23:39.21 | rhowe | The video probably takes up less space than the audio |
| 23:39.43 | rhowe | yegads. Some people shouldn't be let near encoding tools |
