| 00:01.28 | pie | nice |
| 00:01.42 | pie | 100% CPU, and it looks like staying that way ;) |
| 00:06.47 | murb | have you discovered qemu? |
| 00:09.35 | pie | no, what is it? |
| 00:09.43 | murb | try google. |
| 00:09.54 | murb | If you find Bochs intersting, i think you'll find qemu more so. |
| 00:12.45 | pie | ta |
| 00:27.30 | Leeds | let the wookie win |
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| 02:00.17 | Cope | Anyone up? |
| 02:05.49 | murb | yep |
| 02:06.08 | Cope | Ah |
| 02:06.27 | murb | first day of work tomororw? |
| 02:06.41 | Cope | Been delayed due to beurocracy should be Tuesday |
| 02:07.55 | Cope | I have a machine with / /var and /home on separate disks - if I want to upgrade or change the OS on / how do I get the new os to make use of the /var and /home partitions? |
| 02:07.58 | murb | so last proper sleep in! |
| 02:08.26 | murb | just tell it to use them when you install it. |
| 02:08.56 | Cope | When setting mount points? |
| 02:10.00 | murb | yeah, although obviously you may need to remkfs them. |
| 02:10.27 | murb | oh and beware *bsds tend to never use native partitioning schemes |
| 02:14.34 | Cope | Ah - I mean upgrade the OS on / but use the -data- on /var and /home |
| 02:14.50 | Cope | s/upgrade/change |
| 02:15.39 | Cope | easier just to use the last backup? |
| 02:16.48 | Cope | I'm talking about a machine that I have to administer which is running redhat 6 ! Want to replace redhat 6 with something else. |
| 02:17.11 | Cope | Has about 15 users, each with data in /home |
| 02:17.12 | murb | why don't you upgrade to a more recent redhat? |
| 02:17.24 | Cope | and email in /var |
| 02:17.27 | Cope | murb: That's the plan |
| 02:17.29 | murb | no, never trust backups. |
| 02:17.50 | murb | or atleast try not to rely on them saving you. |
| 02:18.00 | Cope | hi rhowe |
| 02:18.05 | rhowe | mornin' |
| 02:18.33 | murb | restoring from backup should be a desperate last measure, and should be practiced regulary. |
| 02:18.45 | Cope | not |
| 02:18.48 | murb | like once a year. |
| 02:24.43 | Cope | murb: problem is that I won't used fedora on a production system, no budget for RHEL - that leaves RH9 unsupported after April, and RHEL clone, or something else. |
| 02:24.55 | rhowe | Debian! |
| 02:25.11 | Cope | rhowe: you missed the first part |
| 02:26.38 | Cope | rhowe: system with / /var and /home on separate disks - want to upgrade/replace RH6 on / but use the data on /var and /home - wondering best way to do so. |
| 02:31.15 | rhowe | Cope: umount /var and /home, do normal install, making sure not to torch them, but partitioning the rest of the storage as you like |
| 02:31.34 | rhowe | tell the installer for whatever it is to mount your current /home as its /home - shouldn't matter |
| 02:32.45 | rhowe | For /var, if you change distribution, the layout will likely be different to RedHat's, so either before installing, do "cd /var; mkdir oldvar; mv * oldvar/" and then tell $newdistro to use that partition as its /var, or if you have the space, just mount the current var as /oldvar on the new system and migrate data across |
| 02:32.56 | rhowe | Shouldn't be too tricky |
| 02:33.55 | rhowe | If necessary, fiddle the uid's on the new system to match the old, or (likely better), chown old files as appropriate |
| 02:34.20 | rhowe | Might be handy to take a copy of /etc/{passwd,group} from the old system so you can compare for changes with the new one |
| 02:36.18 | rhowe | In fact, since it probably isn't that big, it is probably worth dropping a tarball of /etc on /home |
| 02:36.37 | rhowe | Just in case you can't remember how you set something up on the old system |
| 02:37.04 | rhowe | anyway, sleep() |
| 02:37.15 | Cope | sleep well |
| 02:37.22 | rhowe | mm |
| 02:37.49 | rhowe | That's better... too warm and humid to sleep before |
| 02:41.05 | rhowe | Cope: This is my mobile # btw.. check your missed calls |
| 02:43.07 | Cope | rhowe: ah - wondered what idiot was calling me at 3am, waking up my baby! |
| 02:44.39 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.18 | Cope | pedarnt |
| 02:46.37 | Cope | ;O) |
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| 04:02.55 | adhoc | date |
| 04:03.02 | adhoc | doh |
| 04:03.26 | adhoc | whats the time there? |
| 04:03.42 | adhoc | here even? |
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| 07:57.52 | mozrat | moin riis |
| 07:57.59 | riis | hey |
| 07:58.15 | riis | I didn't expect anybody to be up at this hour.... |
| 07:58.26 | mozrat | How is Denmark this morning?? |
| 07:58.43 | riis | tired... |
| 07:58.53 | mozrat | Ah... same here! |
| 07:59.04 | riis | you wouldn't happen to know a "valid UK postal code" would you? |
| 07:59.16 | mozrat | Ummm.. well I have one! |
| 07:59.29 | riis | great, could I have it? |
| 07:59.50 | mozrat | W2 6JR... a road near Paddington station called Westbourne Terrace |
| 07:59.58 | riis | I need to send Sharp an inquiry, and they require this for their web-based form |
| 08:00.04 | riis | thanks |
| 08:00.05 | mozrat | Ah |
| 08:03.46 | mozrat | I think there are about 50 - 60 Postal Areas in the UK. W == West London, RM == Romford where I live, and the rest of the digits describe the road in that area. I think I'm correct in saying every road is a unique postal code, though some long roads have several |
| 08:07.27 | riis | yeah, well I guess 4 digits would be a bit too few then. Well this system carries some location info to, that's nice. I live in the Danish postal code 9000, not very informative.... |
| 08:08.08 | mozrat | Whats the population of Denmark (not to precisly... the nearest 100 or so will do)? |
| 08:15.55 | riis | about 5 mill |
| 08:16.14 | riis | don't know a more precise figure... |
| 08:18.33 | riis | 5 387 300 |
| 08:18.46 | riis | from http://www.populationworld.com/Denmark.php |
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| 08:47.32 | Leeds | mmm... gruel |
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| 08:52.34 | zachary | moin |
| 09:01.21 | Tarragon | Moin zachary |
| 09:05.35 | Leeds | so, there's a new worm going around |
| 09:06.15 | wethrin | Morning |
| 09:06.22 | wethrin | New worm? |
| 09:06.25 | Leeds | I've had 40 copies of it overnight |
| 09:06.34 | Leeds | more than |
| 09:07.27 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 09:07.27 | Leeds | subject line: Hi |
| 09:07.38 | wethrin | Hm. I get lots of emails with that subject line :) |
| 09:07.46 | wethrin | So much so, that I was thinking of blocking them outright |
| 09:08.40 | Leeds | text says: "Test =)\nrandom stuff\n--\Test, yep." |
| 09:08.48 | wethrin | hm |
| 09:09.33 | wethrin | Okay. The US server is getting even more annoying. Now it still crashes, but more irregularly |
| 09:09.41 | Leeds | particularly had lots and lots and lots of copies from Ingo.Wilken@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de |
| 09:09.55 | wethrin | right |
| 09:10.08 | wethrin | After making a quick DNS change |
| 09:18.45 | wethrin | Hm. 25 spams since last night is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH, Spamassassin |
| 09:18.50 | Leeds | hey Cope |
| 09:20.23 | Leeds | don't put tea in your eyes... |
| 09:20.50 | Cope | Good advice. |
| 09:20.58 | wethrin | Leeds: No worms here. A couple of spams with the subject of 'Hi', but no executable attachments |
| 09:21.55 | Tarragon | http://www.vickerey.com/sja200.html says tea for your eyes is OK |
| 09:26.20 | wethrin | w00t. |
| 09:26.25 | wethrin | Which piece of music? |
| 09:26.32 | Cope | Piano Concerto 1 |
| 09:26.37 | wethrin | *nod* |
| 09:26.49 | wethrin | Play the Finale to the 5th :) |
| 09:26.55 | Cope | oooh! |
| 09:27.09 | Cope | <goosebumps> |
| 09:27.27 | wethrin | :) Or Festive Overture! |
| 09:41.16 | Cope | hmm - Sophies thinks the music is too gloomy, and requests Nirvana. |
| 09:44.04 | Cope | So has Cope. |
| 09:44.10 | Leeds | and Nirvana isn't gloomy? I suggest Steps |
| 09:44.21 | Leeds | or Tarragon's favourite - Aqua! :-) |
| 09:45.14 | Cope | Sophie says she likes the Aqua pizza-hut song... @? |
| 09:45.24 | Leeds | it's not Aqua |
| 09:45.31 | Leeds | it's the Fast Food Rockers |
| 09:45.36 | Leeds | argh |
| 09:49.29 | Cope | Shostakovich has finished. |
| 09:53.39 | Leeds | mmm... soup |
| 09:54.33 | wethrin | Cope: Play more |
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| 10:03.00 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 10:03.50 | wethrin | hi |
| 10:04.13 | zachary | morning jason_ukfsn |
| 10:04.35 | mozrat | Cope: Nirvana rocks!! |
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| 10:13.18 | Nutshell | mornin all |
| 10:14.49 | wethrin | ello |
| 10:14.58 | wethrin | Are you coming down to London on Saturday? |
| 10:18.19 | Nutshell | hopefully depends on the wife |
| 10:18.57 | wethrin | Wives aren't good enough excuses for missing a real Gllug meeting ;-) |
| 10:19.21 | Nutshell | my wife has all the money :) |
| 10:19.38 | nasrat | don't come to gllug the first speaker is unprepared |
| 10:19.47 | Nutshell | and she's as tight as a ducks arse in water |
| 10:27.21 | rhowe | wethrin: If I'm in London, I'll come to the meet, but I might not be in London |
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| 10:36.46 | nasrat | hey pie |
| 10:36.49 | pie | 'lo |
| 10:37.05 | pie | nasrat: How's the HD? |
| 10:37.57 | nasrat | well managed to boot a 2.6 rescue disk, fsck'd it but loads of stuff missing (including /sbin/init and /bin/sh). /home fine though. Going to rebuild |
| 10:40.13 | pie | darn, narroweddown the cause? (OK, further than just 2.6) |
| 10:41.32 | nasrat | think it's a locking issue, caused slab corruption. |
| 10:42.16 | pie | um, OK, I will take your word for it... |
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| 11:30.50 | jason_ukfsn | ping SpudULike |
| 11:31.11 | ajjl | pong! :-) |
| 11:32.13 | jason_ukfsn | you've shrunk! |
| 11:34.06 | ajjl | This is the first stop on my around the world in Linux tour :-) |
| 11:34.37 | jason_ukfsn | are your starting point is? |
| 11:34.53 | ajjl | are my starting point is Los Angeles :-) |
| 11:35.17 | wethrin | So....LA, London....*thinks*....Hong Kong next? |
| 11:35.24 | wethrin | Or Sydney? |
| 11:35.26 | ajjl | anything is possible |
| 11:37.00 | ajjl | so what's the word on the streets of london? anybody been sued by SCO yet? :-) |
| 11:37.12 | jason_ukfsn | not yet that we're aware. |
| 11:37.23 | wethrin | Buy Novell Linux, and you get indemnified :) |
| 11:37.59 | jason_ukfsn | SCO are probably just making noise - they actually pulled out of the UK completely last year and under UK laws they would face expensive counter action that they would be certain to loose |
| 11:38.02 | ajjl | oh yeah, read about that on groklaw.. |
| 11:38.38 | jason_ukfsn | It's likely that they could also loose their reseller channel in the UK as that's how they claim they will be persuing the matter and any reseller involved will be liable to legal action on various fronts. |
| 11:38.43 | ajjl | jason_ukfsn: yes, i have heard the theory that you can't buy a license from SCO even if you try, it's all hot air to manipulate the stock price. |
| 11:38.57 | jason_ukfsn | Also under copyright law here they have to prove what they claim they own |
| 11:39.32 | jason_ukfsn | ajjl: that could be the case although I understand that the investment markets are starting to see through SCO's PR and the stock is dropping in price already. |
| 11:40.04 | jason_ukfsn | There is a court date coming up which should make for interesting reading as, on the face of it, SCO appear to have substantially disregarded the judge's order. |
| 11:41.24 | ajjl | You have to wonder who though suing IBM was a good idea :-O |
| 11:41.28 | ajjl | (thought) |
| 11:41.39 | jason_ukfsn | Darl did apparently ;) |
| 11:42.13 | jason_ukfsn | Don't forget that the legal battle between SCO and IBM is nothing to do with copyright. The whole copyright thing is a side show to keep the press and community distracted |
| 11:43.02 | jason_ukfsn | SCO's claim against IBM is purely a matter of contract in which they are claiming that IBM breached a term in their contract which effectively states that IBM will not do anything to harm SCO's core UNIX business. |
| 11:44.09 | jason_ukfsn | The Linux claims are pure rubbish and SCO know it - who's ever seen a copy of Caldera Open Linux? I wish I'd held onto the copy I had now. |
| 11:44.57 | ajjl | yeah, well, i read groklaw and wait for enlightenment :-) |
| 11:45.48 | ajjl | what are the hot linux distributions in your neck of the woods these days? |
| 11:46.03 | wethrin | Slackware. |
| 11:46.03 | jason_ukfsn | my guess is that the judge will rap SCO's knuckles and then grant them a discovery order against IBM. IBM, seeing that incomplete delivery is OK, will have to decide whether to honour that order. |
| 11:46.12 | jason_ukfsn | Debian |
| 11:46.19 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: I have OL1.3 at home |
| 11:46.20 | wethrin | In a box. |
| 11:46.23 | jason_ukfsn | Red Hat is still used a lot |
| 11:47.11 | ajjl | hmmm, more or less the same here, but suse and mandrake are also popular |
| 11:47.19 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: do everyone a favour and distribute copies of the kernel and other relevant GPL'd parts to everyone who wants it. If you don't want the hassle just make a copy for me and I'll do it. |
| 11:47.43 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: I could just upload an ISO |
| 11:48.08 | jason_ukfsn | both a popular here too however RH is still the biggest used commercially I think and Debian the biggest among the Free Software communities using Linux. |
| 11:48.15 | jason_ukfsn | That would work wethrin |
| 11:48.42 | jason_ukfsn | My point is that receipt of a Caldera Linux kernel automatically covers anyone against SCO legal action based upon the Linux kernel. |
| 11:48.59 | wethrin | Fair enough. I'll try and upload, and let you mirror :) |
| 11:49.49 | ajjl | some people like gentoo |
| 11:49.59 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: no you don't. That's a wildcard RR |
| 11:50.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:50.22 | jason_ukfsn | gentoo - for those who prefer to spend all week compiling their distro |
| 11:50.48 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: let's try and get Tarragon to put it onto the cover disk - and the other mags too. |
| 11:50.58 | jason_ukfsn | wide distribution would be nice ;) |
| 11:51.04 | ajjl | hehehe, gotta put those giga-ops to use somehow ;-) |
| 11:51.45 | jason_ukfsn | ping Tarragon |
| 11:52.15 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: what kernel is it? |
| 11:52.24 | wethrin | not sure |
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| 11:54.10 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: it's 2.0.35 which isn't all that good for our purposes as it's 2.4 they seem to be bitching about |
| 11:54.57 | wethrin | Oh well. |
| 11:55.27 | jason_ukfsn | are you sure it's version 1.3 and not 3.1? |
| 11:55.40 | wethrin | I think so |
| 11:55.53 | jason_ukfsn | 3.1 had a 2.4 kernel I believe |
| 11:56.03 | jason_ukfsn | Perhaps someone at one of the mags has a review copy somewhere |
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| 11:57.26 | jason_ukfsn | re Nutshell |
| 11:57.40 | Nutshell | yes jason_ukfsn |
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| 12:16.35 | jason_ukfsn | hey Leeds |
| 12:16.48 | Leeds | evening |
| 12:17.20 | jason_ukfsn | where are you that it's evening already? |
| 12:17.45 | Leeds | Watford |
| 12:19.00 | jason_ukfsn | I'm fairly sure it's still lunchtime in Watford - it certainly is in Boringwood |
| 12:19.22 | jason_ukfsn | you've not been buying illegal time again have you? |
| 12:21.07 | Leeds | just borrowing it! |
| 12:21.39 | jason_ukfsn | you'll have FACT (the Federation Against Chrono Theft) on your case! |
| 12:28.29 | Leeds | heh |
| 12:37.46 | Leeds | ibot change 1449 usd to gbp |
| 12:38.04 | Leeds | bloody hell |
| 12:38.11 | jason_ukfsn | a lot less than you expected? |
| 12:38.25 | Leeds | that's for a decently-specced Athlon64 laptop |
| 12:38.27 | jason_ukfsn | Last week the rate was $1.85 to £1 |
| 12:38.50 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 12:38.59 | jason_ukfsn | Even the tourist rate was $1.76 |
| 12:39.20 | jason_ukfsn | I took advantage and loaded my opensrs account balance. |
| 12:39.57 | jason_ukfsn | Those with cash to invest were apparently depositing it in US$ accounts hoping for a very nice return within a couple of months |
| 12:41.16 | Leeds | heh |
| 12:41.58 | Leeds | I did comment that my Safari subscription of about $17 a month has got over 1 pound cheaper since November |
| 12:43.30 | jason_ukfsn | The $ has risen about 4% against the £ in the past week though. |
| 12:46.57 | zachary | I'm getting screwed with 1.86 usd/gbp exchange rate(as of friday). :-( |
| 12:47.31 | jason_ukfsn | It's dropped a lot over the weekend and is now at 1.78(ish). It looks like it will fall further this week. |
| 12:47.43 | jason_ukfsn | I need to reboot. Back in 5. |
| 12:49.38 | Leeds | ibot change 70 usd to gbp |
| 12:51.12 | zachary | Leeds: You can quit that any time now. It is making me very depressed. |
| 12:51.39 | Leeds | zachary: sorry... got a thing through the post from Dr. Dobbs' offering me subscription for that price... |
| 12:54.53 | zachary | ibot change 1815 to usd |
| 12:55.06 | zachary | ibot change 1815 gbp to usd |
| 12:56.11 | zachary | rent :-( |
| 12:56.37 | Leeds | :-( |
| 12:58.51 | rhowe | ibot change 100 gbp to hkd |
| 12:59.31 | rhowe | hm... not bad |
| 13:09.56 | murb | so an HKD is about 1/10th of a euro? |
| 13:10.17 | murb | ibot change 100 euro to hkd |
| 13:11.02 | murb | ibot change 1386.93 HKD to euro |
| 13:11.23 | murb | ibot change 144.344 euro to gbp |
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| 13:14.31 | Nutshell | lo all |
| 13:28.26 | Leeds | hey |
| 13:44.01 | evangineer | wethrin: have you upgraded spamassassin yet? |
| 13:53.49 | mozrat | Does anyone know much about the configuration of blootbot here (the same one as #gllug 's ibot) |
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| 14:00.03 | jason_ukfsn | re all |
| 14:00.15 | mozrat | hi |
| 14:00.53 | Tarragon | Hi jason_ukfsn |
| 14:01.29 | jason_ukfsn | why not to annoy your web designers? - http://valuepointmeds.biz/ |
| 14:01.48 | jason_ukfsn | Tarragon: I've replied to your email |
| 14:02.49 | evangineer | Hmm - spamassassin is in the process of becoming an Apache Software Foundation project. |
| 14:05.31 | jason_ukfsn | will that mean a license change? |
| 14:05.59 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn: yes! |
| 14:07.26 | evangineer | 2.70 will use the ASL |
| 14:07.41 | Leeds | I suspect it'll be dual-licensed |
| 14:08.33 | evangineer | From the website: " This is changing, however. SpamAssassin is in the process of becoming an Apache Software Foundation top-level project. As a result, our license will be changing with SpamAssassin 2.70; from that version on we will be using the Apache Software License. We are currently undergoing incubation at the ASF. In the meantime, the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF." |
| 14:09.37 | murb | urgle the apache license isn't very nice :( |
| 14:09.38 | jason_ukfsn | They'll have to get permission from everyone who has contributed code to change the license (except those whose contribute is insignificant) |
| 14:10.19 | murb | jason_ukfsn: if it was dual GPL/artistic license they probably don't. |
| 14:10.22 | jason_ukfsn | looks like we're about to "enjoy" some network fun and games with "dehubbing" according to the announcement I just saw |
| 14:10.27 | murb | since the artistic licnse normally lets you do anything you want. |
| 14:10.37 | murb | but many things are licensed in perl under the same terms as perl itself. |
| 14:10.47 | murb | with "" arround that phrase. |
| 14:10.52 | murb | and perl is dual licensed. |
| 14:11.13 | jason_ukfsn | I know. For my released perl stuff I only use GPL as the perl license removes some important protections if it's added in my view |
| 14:14.16 | Leeds | so do you get many people paying to download your Perl stuff then? :-) |
| 14:15.36 | jason_ukfsn | no anbd frankly I prefer that they use CPAN |
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| 14:16.09 | jason_ukfsn | The payment thing to download the Worldpay module is mainly to demonstrate it in use from the user perspective. |
| 14:16.45 | mozrat | Guys.. any idea howto assign a second IP address to the loopback interface in Debian?? |
| 14:16.57 | murb | mozrat: ip addr add myipaddess/mask dev lo |
| 14:17.13 | murb | assuming you have netlinkable kernel and iproute installed. |
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| 14:18.58 | jason_ukfsn | splitters! |
| 14:19.09 | murb | hmm. |
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| 14:19.42 | murb | jason_ukfsn: if you were thinking of fosdeming, i've just looked ant it is cheaper to fly than eurostar |
| 14:20.00 | mozrat | murb: Don't seem to have worked ;-( |
| 14:20.00 | jason_ukfsn | I've already booked Eurostar. I prefer trains as I like the more relaxed journey - get on sit and and then be there as opposed to dealing with airports etc |
| 14:20.35 | jason_ukfsn | murb: how much are flghts? |
| 14:20.36 | jason_ukfsn | I paid £59 for return eurostar |
| 14:20.36 | murb | jason_ukfsn: BMI is 57 |
| 14:20.36 | murb | from LHR |
| 14:20.36 | murb | or 24 quid + taxes... |
| 14:20.59 | murb | and there are no more 59 quid returns left :( |
| 14:21.00 | jason_ukfsn | is that for a return ticket? UK taxes = £11. what are taxes at the other end |
| 14:22.13 | jason_ukfsn | well I've booked mine now and I understand there will be planty of other .uk folks going to fordem on the same train so I wont be lonely - lots of people to ignore while I read ;) |
| 14:22.54 | murb | jason_ukfsn: taxes and airport fees |
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| 14:27.14 | Leeds | ibot change 200 eur to gbp |
| 14:27.14 | jason_ukfsn | total return price including taxes with Ryanair is £23.44 but you have to go on Thursday and come back on Tuesday |
| 14:27.14 | jason_ukfsn | The extra two nights in the YH would cost another E30 |
| 14:27.52 | murb | jason_ukfsn: ryanair don't fly to Brussels. |
| 14:28.49 | murb | they fly to Charleroi, which is atleast an hour away by train + bus |
| 14:28.59 | murb | or i think there is a non cheap ryanair bus as well. |
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| 14:30.21 | formi | hello |
| 14:32.22 | mozrat | Hello Formi |
| 14:33.02 | formi | anything going on in here? |
| 14:33.42 | mozrat | IRC admins are doing some work, so lots of people leaving/joining in big floods; jason_ukfsn talks about fosdem, not much else |
| 14:34.07 | formi | fosdem is still a month away |
| 14:41.34 | murb | anyone using qmail? # http://www.guninski.com/qmailcrash.html |
| 14:47.37 | Leeds | bah |
| 14:48.04 | evangineer | Don't find it surprising. qmail is no doubt a good bit of software, but has been effectively unmaintained for quite a while now. |
| 14:48.33 | Cope | evangineer: what isn't surprising? |
| 14:48.36 | mozrat | murb: that command for adding a 2nd address on the loopback didn't work :-( any ideas... did you do it on a debian box? |
| 14:48.59 | mozrat | Cope: are you at work??? |
| 14:49.25 | Cope | mozrat: bad question |
| 14:49.36 | mozrat | mozrat: :-( I won't ask |
| 14:50.00 | Cope | mozrat: just had another phone call - STILL waiting for some bit of paper from the states - so looks like Wednesday now. |
| 14:51.05 | evangineer | Cope: murb's link points towards what looks like a buffer overflow in qmail. |
| 14:51.36 | mozrat | Cope: but it isn't definetely bad news then. |
| 14:51.59 | Cope | mozrat: no hopefully not, although I do wonder what can be taking all the time. |
| 14:52.00 | evangineer | Stuff that like that tends to be weeded out overtime, particularly if the software is being maintained. |
| 14:52.28 | Leeds | Cope: they found your history? |
| 14:52.42 | jason_ukfsn | murb: RyanAir do fly to Brussels S. Charleroi (CRL) |
| 14:53.03 | jason_ukfsn | Ah I see that's far away |
| 14:53.28 | evangineer | Leeds: they found out that he was a Al-Qaida manchurian candidate! |
| 15:00.24 | Leeds | what, impatient to start work on the day you're supposed to start? |
| 15:00.26 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: you need to get out and have beer |
| 15:00.57 | jason_ukfsn | I'll be in Cricklewood this evening. Perhaps the Beaten Docket? |
| 15:01.05 | Cope | Leeds: evidently I should have better control of myself, and not get frustrated. |
| 15:02.39 | Cope | jason_ukfsn: *smiles* I've actually got a lot of paperwork and house stuff to get done, so I'll probably be doing that. |
| 15:03.30 | Leeds | Cope: that could be read two ways :-) |
| 15:04.38 | Cope | leeds: true! |
| 15:06.01 | Cope | Hmm... Gotterdammerung, Die Walkure, Das Rheingold or Siefried? |
| 15:06.46 | Cope | (choice of cathartic music) |
| 15:07.51 | evangineer | Cope: which one is least likely to evoke complaints from Sophie? |
| 15:08.18 | Cope | evangineer: oh she'd hate all 4, but I'll use headphones. |
| 15:21.32 | evangineer | Unbelievable article on yahoo about genetically engineered trees that bear meat instead of fruit, sounds like a sci-fi story I read long ago! http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20030516/105309720008.html |
| 15:26.26 | evangineer | They've made up this story no doubt. |
| 15:32.17 | mozrat | When you add a virtual host on apache does it not create the log files for you??? |
| 15:35.31 | jason_ukfsn | yes but you need to ensure that the log directory is already there and has apporpriate permissions |
| 15:40.55 | evangineer | BT are finally making SDSL available, but it's not cheap! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/67/34961.html |
| 15:42.50 | evangineer | They've been slow to push SDSL, because they don't want to undermine their lucrative leased line business. |
| 15:53.00 | jason_ukfsn | BT are not offering a very good SDSL platform though as it's only London and Coventry atm. Other telcos including EasyNet have been offering SDSL more widely for some time already. |
| 15:57.53 | Leeds | EasyJet? |
| 16:02.36 | Leeds | well the BBC is improving... |
| 16:03.02 | jason_ukfsn | no easynet is a different company who held the rights to the easynet name long before stelios started his businesses |
| 16:03.04 | Leeds | they're now talking about the new "Windows worm" rather than "computer bug" or "internet virus" or something |
| 16:03.11 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: yes, I know that... |
| 16:05.18 | jason_ukfsn | has anyone tried version 2 of the new debian installer yet? |
| 16:08.47 | gregj | howdy |
| 16:10.23 | Tarragon | Hi gregj |
| 16:11.20 | mozrat | Cope: what is the cause of your merriment? |
| 16:11.24 | Cope | The US Beaurocratic machine has finally given clearance. |
| 16:11.36 | jason_ukfsn | congrats so do you start tomorrow? |
| 16:11.48 | mozrat | Yip |
| 16:12.15 | Tarragon | cool |
| 16:13.26 | nasrat | Cope: no you celebrate with beer not tea |
| 16:13.26 | Leeds | Irish tea? |
| 16:13.26 | Tarragon | hot mulled wine? |
| 16:13.26 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat: I tried to convince him that beer is good earlier but he declined |
| 16:14.10 | jason_ukfsn | saturday is beer day. |
| 16:15.24 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: bring it to the first talk |
| 16:15.25 | evangineer | Cope: hooray! |
| 16:15.52 | nasrat | Cope: gratz btw |
| 16:16.21 | Tarragon | SpudULike: has rather a lot of MP3s |
| 16:17.06 | Tarragon | 200 CDs worth. there must be Agadoo somewjere in there |
| 16:17.55 | jason_ukfsn | Can I take it he will be bringing them on a laptop? If so I'll bring one along and they may magically cop from one to another ;) |
| 16:17.59 | Tarragon | AACs? Apple? |
| 16:18.04 | Leeds | Tarragon: yes |
| 16:18.08 | jason_ukfsn | arrr me hardies ;) |
| 16:18.50 | nasrat | Leeds: any metaphysical CDs? |
| 16:19.07 | Leeds | one or two... probably |
| 16:22.43 | Cope | ...It is the following morning... Siegmund and Sieglinde have fled frin Hunding into the mountains... |
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| 16:23.42 | Leeds | Cope: ever read any Tom Holt? |
| 16:24.04 | Cope | Leeds: No - what sort of stuff does he write? |
| 16:24.16 | Leeds | comic fantasy... |
| 16:24.48 | Leeds | but generally in the form of modern retellings (or sequels) to mythological stories... |
| 16:25.12 | jason_ukfsn | Tom Holt is very much worth reading |
| 16:25.36 | Cope | Wagner+++ |
| 16:26.20 | jason_ukfsn | I take it you've read Pratchett? |
| 16:26.28 | jason_ukfsn | How about Robert Rankin? |
| 16:26.57 | Leeds | yes and yes |
| 16:27.25 | Leeds | I've got pretty much all the Pratchett (Discworld at least...) included a couple of signed ones... |
| 16:27.30 | Leeds | I've got most of the Holt |
| 16:27.40 | Leeds | I've read a lot of Rankin, but I find his stuff pales quicker |
| 16:27.56 | jason_ukfsn | Which McCaffrey? |
| 16:28.12 | jason_ukfsn | I still like the old Weiss and Hickman dragonlance novels |
| 16:28.26 | evangineer | The pegasus books and some of the Dragons of Pern series |
| 16:28.37 | Tarragon | Nimisha's Story. My wife works in a book shop so we get a lot as uncorrected proofs |
| 16:29.40 | Tarragon | I prefer trashy Cyberpunk books |
| 16:30.09 | jason_ukfsn | You mean cyberplayboy Tarragon? |
| 16:30.53 | Tarragon | Shadowrun - the ones tha are predictable but fun. |
| 16:31.09 | jason_ukfsn | I have a couple of early shadowrun novels here somewhere |
| 16:31.44 | ajjl | see you another time, guys :-) |
| 16:31.53 | Nutshell | Lord Iffy Boadrace by Bruce Dickinson very good and very very funny |
| 16:32.03 | Nutshell | *Boat* |
| 16:32.58 | Leeds | as in... *the* Bruce? |
| 16:33.27 | Nutshell | singer from Iron Maiden |
| 16:33.42 | Leeds | yeah |
| 16:33.48 | Leeds | is there anything he *can't* do? :-) |
| 16:33.52 | Tarragon | expensive on Amazon |
| 16:33.56 | Nutshell | not really |
| 16:34.06 | Cope | Leeds: I understand he's not very good at writing shell scripts. |
| 16:34.30 | Leeds | well... I did hear him discussing MP3s on the radio a while back... |
| 16:35.06 | Cope | Leeds: And what did he say? |
| 16:35.07 | Nutshell | Leeds got a really good bootleg from june last year |
| 16:35.19 | Cope | Lucky leeds! |
| 16:35.38 | Leeds | I'm not all that into his music... but he's cool on the radio :-) good presenter, sounds like a nice chap... |
| 16:38.37 | Leeds | there is a bloody *stunning* sunset out the window in Watford right now! |
| 16:39.09 | Tarragon | Rainy dark blue sky here :-( |
| 16:40.13 | jason_ukfsn | that's what you get for living "op north" Tarragon |
| 16:40.54 | Leeds | grey, orange, pink, light blue, turquoise... |
| 16:44.11 | jason_ukfsn | I've finished building cdrtools 2.x so I guess it's time to try it with my ATAPI CDRW in pure ATAPI mode. |
| 16:44.28 | jason_ukfsn | Let's see if it crashes when it tries to burn a CD |
| 16:44.30 | Tarragon | Yes, but the up side is ....Beer, fresh air, good football, good rugby, excellent food, beer, cheaper everything, beer...Did I mention the beer |
| 16:45.06 | jason_ukfsn | no you didn't. Is it any good up there? I can't say I ever had any good beer when visiting Stockport |
| 16:45.19 | Leeds | yah, but... the downside is that... you live (approximately) in Manchester. |
| 16:45.25 | Leeds | it's like Godwin's Law |
| 16:49.40 | Leeds | hmm... Barnet council apparently will accept Council Tax online... |
| 16:54.22 | Tarragon | Robinson's beer, Hydes Anvil beer, Horseshoe beer, all good stockport brews |
| 17:12.55 | rhowe | Does anyone know of any companies that recycle printer parts? |
| 17:15.02 | Tarragon | http://www.itforcharities.co.uk might be able to help |
| 17:16.29 | rhowe | hm, looks good |
| 17:20.03 | Tarragon | I would not go that far. But fortunately the beer takes away much of the pain |
| 17:20.54 | Leeds | I have enjoyed driving away from or past Manchester many times |
| 17:21.14 | rhowe | I guess it depends where in Manchester you live |
| 17:23.14 | Tarragon | Ohhh Studentville |
| 17:31.12 | rhowe | AT 1 A.M. AT THE HONG KONG OBSERVATORY THE AIR TEMPERATURE WAS |
| 17:31.12 | rhowe | 12 DEGREES CELSIUS AND THE RELATIVE HUMIDITY 88 PER CENT. |
| 17:31.12 | rhowe | PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT: |
| 17:31.14 | rhowe | THE COLD WEATHER WARNING IS NOW IN FORCE. |
| 17:31.21 | rhowe | cold?! 12 degrees?! Cold?! |
| 17:31.29 | Cope | Anyone able to recommend a program for the artistically-challenged, for drawing a file system structure, a small mind map, and some diagrams with boxes and arrows and stuff? |
| 17:31.44 | rhowe | Cope: dia is fine for that, really |
| 17:31.54 | rhowe | Cope: Save often though - I wouldn't trust its stability |
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| 18:10.46 | irvined | any ideas why NIS might not work? i'm bound to the nis domain, i can ypcat passwd, but when i try to log a user in, it fails to authenticate, i have files nis in /etc/nsswitch.conf and i've sacrifices 2 big goats. |
| 18:10.58 | Cope | Can someone have a look at: http://wibbleworld.demon.co.uk/file_structure.png and tell me if its way to big, or looks ok? |
| 18:11.54 | Leeds | ah, genunix :-) |
| 18:12.09 | Leeds | what's way too big? It doesn't fit in my browser window, if that helps |
| 18:12.18 | Leeds | it was genunix I was failing to build yesterday |
| 18:12.28 | Cope | So needs to be scaled down to half size? |
| 18:13.06 | Leeds | well, 90% fits it in my browser... but then my browser is almost 1200 pixels wide... |
| 18:14.00 | Leeds | is Rome burning? |
| 18:14.28 | Leeds | (and BTW, it took me a long time to work out why the popular Windows software package Nero was called that) |
| 18:15.21 | Cope | hmm - gimp crashing is not good. |
| 18:16.18 | Leeds | sounds like a sport... |
| 18:18.38 | irvined | heh, dodgy shadow entry |
| 18:21.16 | Leeds | deformed rabbit? |
| 18:21.39 | Cope | Hmm... /usr/lib/gimp/1.2/plug-ins/xsane hanging |
| 18:22.15 | Leeds | do you have a scanner? |
| 18:22.48 | Cope | No... and I don't think I installed xsane either, so no idea why it wants to use the xsane lib. |
| 18:24.43 | Leeds | personally, I'd just delete (or move) the plugin... |
| 18:25.55 | Cope | Hmm... how about I remove the symlink? |
| 18:26.00 | Cope | xsane: symbolic link to ../../../..//bin/xsane-gimp |
| 18:29.34 | Leeds | that should do the job, yes |
| 18:30.47 | rhowe | Cope: D beig disk-wait, no? |
| 18:31.28 | Leeds | not quite, AFAIK |
| 18:31.40 | Cope | D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 18:31.44 | Leeds | I think D is a more general "waiting for I/O from the kernel - uninterruptable" |
| 18:31.46 | rhowe | Ah |
| 18:32.04 | Leeds | Cope: got SCSI? got USB? |
| 18:32.29 | Leeds | it could be looking for a scanner |
| 18:32.39 | Cope | foolish thing |
| 18:32.40 | Leeds | (obviously) |
| 18:33.06 | Cope | I should still be able to kill it though, right? |
| 18:33.14 | Cope | -15? |
| 18:33.31 | Leeds | nope |
| 18:33.49 | Leeds | it's in kernel context, so it won't respond to any signals |
| 18:34.05 | rhowe | Cope: /exec reboot :) |
| 18:34.10 | Cope | Hmm. What options are there? |
| 18:34.15 | Cope | rhowe: hmm |
| 18:34.30 | Leeds | not much, unless you can work out what put it in D state and fix it |
| 18:34.50 | Leeds | rhowe: going to HK? |
| 18:34.59 | rhowe | Leeds: sssshhh, it's a secret |
| 18:35.07 | Leeds | oops :-) |
| 18:35.35 | Leeds | she doesn't know then? |
| 18:36.43 | rhowe | Nope |
| 18:36.49 | rhowe | And she won't, not until Saturday |
| 18:36.59 | Leeds | unless... I *tell* her! :-) |
| 18:37.25 | Leeds | okay, that's not likely |
| 18:38.24 | Leeds | long long long way to go... |
| 18:38.59 | rhowe | Leeds: Yeah, I get about 26 hours there |
| 18:39.07 | Leeds | whoa... |
| 18:39.17 | rhowe | Leeds: take off 3 or 4 hours of airport stuff, and it's less than a day |
| 18:39.28 | Leeds | I was there for about 60 hours about 15 months ago |
| 18:40.10 | Leeds | I was on my way to Sydney... I've got family in both HK and Sydney |
| 18:40.10 | rhowe | Tariff Double: HK$2100 - HK$ 2400 |
| 18:40.12 | Cope | Leeds: any ideas how to find what D'd it? |
| 18:40.20 | rhowe | Hrm, so getting a double for HK$900 was a good deal then :) |
| 18:40.34 | rhowe | Cope: Drop into kdb, backtrace process |
| 18:40.43 | Leeds | Cope: look at which file's it's got open? try strace, but that probably won't help... gdb it? kdb it? |
| 18:40.57 | Leeds | Cope: is this on Solaris or Linux? |
| 18:41.09 | Cope | This is on linux |
| 18:41.23 | Leeds | then you're unlikely to have a kdb hanging around, right? |
| 18:41.44 | Leeds | do gdb or strace show anything? |
| 18:42.07 | rhowe | It can't backtrace Cope's stuck process though, so it isn't much use here |
| 18:43.08 | Leeds | which also wouldn't really help in this case unless you were really (un)lucky |
| 18:43.19 | rhowe | "Room Facilities: Welcome fruit, Welcome tea" |
| 18:43.22 | rhowe | ooh, free fruit :) |
| 18:43.37 | Cope | Ok strace... |
| 18:45.09 | Cope | Hmm... I'm not experienced enough to be able to make much use of this. |
| 18:45.25 | Cope | Never mind - its not worth spending a lot of time on it. |
| 18:45.28 | Leeds | does it show *anything*? |
| 18:45.45 | Cope | strace /usr/bin/xsane-gimp show a lot. |
| 18:46.13 | Cope | Lots of failure to find libraries and unavailable resources. |
| 18:46.45 | Leeds | no, no, no |
| 18:46.51 | Leeds | strace the stopped program! |
| 18:47.46 | rhowe | Cope: You can give strace a pid, can you not? |
| 18:47.55 | rhowe | Cope: Also, "gdb -p $pid" and do a bt |
| 18:48.02 | rhowe | Might show something, might not |
| 18:48.39 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:48.42 | Leeds | both of the above |
| 18:49.14 | rhowe | Though if it's stuck, I hardly expect strace to show much |
| 18:49.20 | Cope | rhowe: yes I did gdb -p $pid - it attached to the process, but didn't output anything. |
| 18:49.35 | rhowe | Cope: OK, once in gdb, run the "bt" command |
| 18:49.40 | Leeds | Cope: run a |
| 18:49.42 | Leeds | argh |
| 18:49.46 | Leeds | rhowe: you do it :-) |
| 18:49.58 | rhowe | 18:51 <+shiwan> Mike Rowe of "mikerowesoft.com" is getting sued. |
| 18:50.47 | Cope | rhowe: ok - do I type bt? |
| 18:50.55 | rhowe | Cope: Sure |
| 18:50.57 | rhowe | http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/34955.html |
| 18:51.12 | Cope | Ok - bt <cr> |
| 18:53.39 | rhowe | Not as useful as a kdb bt, but it'll do |
| 18:54.13 | Cope | Should I expect some output? |
| 18:56.50 | rhowe | yeah.. it should give you a call tree |
| 18:57.05 | rhowe | like function foo called bar, which called baz, and I'm stuck in read() or something |
| 18:57.27 | rhowe | hm, time I went home |
| 18:57.30 | rhowe | work finished at 5:30 |
| 18:57.36 | rhowe | then reboot :) |
| 18:57.40 | rhowe | Kernel bug :) |
| 18:57.44 | rhowe | (most likely) |
| 19:04.53 | Cope | So 'hello I want to use my floppy but there is no a: drive' gets a response in #redhat, but an intelligent and well-formed question with description of steps taken so far is met with stoney silence. |
| 19:05.02 | JD | hi |
| 19:05.08 | Cope | hello JD |
| 19:05.38 | JD | Cope: better than the response you would get in #debian |
| 19:05.47 | Cope | JD: Indeed. |
| 19:07.13 | Cope | Oh well - back at 9ish. |
| 19:07.16 | Cope | ttfn |
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| 19:21.49 | JD | hi Leeds |
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| 19:25.30 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 19:36.41 | JD | hi |
| 19:42.56 | Xiaoqi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.35 | JD | Xiaoqi: hi |
| 19:49.48 | Xiaoqi | hows you? |
| 19:49.55 | JD | not bad |
| 19:50.09 | JD | sitting at home ircing when I could be doing something useful |
| 19:51.22 | Xiaoqi | me too -should be revising but am watching simpsons instead |
| 19:51.36 | JD | gah where? |
| 19:51.54 | Xiaoqi | on DVD :) |
| 19:52.11 | JD | grrrrr |
| 19:52.21 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 19:52.37 | JD | w00t tis on sky1 |
| 19:53.01 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 19:53.25 | JD | and then enterprise |
| 19:53.32 | Xiaoqi | bah humbug! |
| 20:07.01 | JD | what? |
| 20:07.22 | Xiaoqi | i dont get to watch -dont have sky |
| 20:07.57 | JD | oh it isn;t very good anyway |
| 20:08.05 | JD | you aren't missing anything 'onest |
| 20:08.31 | Xiaoqi | good good |
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| 20:16.32 | JD | fun fun fun in the sun sun sun |
| 20:16.33 | Leeds | 5 days a week! :-) |
| 20:24.13 | Xiaoqi | JD: red dwarf rules! |
| 20:24.34 | JD | yes |
| 20:24.47 | JD | apart from the last two series |
| 20:25.20 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
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| 20:30.00 | pie | Arse. |
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| 21:14.19 | Cope | bastard |
| 21:15.54 | Leeds | I apologise |
| 21:19.46 | Cope | I could have used an old laptop in the libary today. |
| 21:21.58 | Leeds | oh, you went to the library? |
| 21:22.42 | Leeds | duh... |
| 21:23.24 | Nutshell | Cope: regisrerd under william then ? |
| 21:24.39 | Cope | ooh - who's on? |
| 21:25.07 | Leeds | it's finished... I'm watching on TiVo |
| 21:25.18 | Cope | Nutshell: no - was just reading somewhere quiet. |
| 21:25.39 | Leeds | it's Strathclyde and Gonville and Caius, Cambridge |
| 21:26.29 | Leeds | or some such strange Cantab name |
| 21:27.06 | Cope | bloody tabs |
| 21:30.15 | Cope | If you have a script that outputs more than a page of data, is there a way of paging it, from within the script? |
| 21:30.39 | Cope | rather than just piping the script through, eg, more? |
| 21:30.47 | Leeds | count lines? |
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| 21:33.04 | Cope | Leeds.. um... as in after x lines in the script put in a read KEYPRESS and continue with a clear new page? |
| 21:34.03 | Leeds | yes |
| 21:34.14 | Cope | oh ok |
| 21:34.35 | Leeds | alternatively, have the script pipe itself through more (or less, for preference) |
| 21:36.19 | rhowe | Leeds: or on Debian, "pager" :) |
| 21:36.24 | Leeds | bah |
| 21:36.46 | rhowe | mm, red wine burp |
| 21:45.21 | wethrin | Evening |
| 21:45.40 | Leeds | and another 2 sites |
| 21:48.28 | Leeds | wethrin: http://209.61.226.18/Site/ http://www.standroom.com and http://www.tvrecordings.com/ :-) |
| 21:49.27 | wethrin | ARRRRRGH! |
| 21:49.37 | wethrin | FAQs DOES NOT HAVE A FUCKING APOSTROPHE |
| 21:49.52 | rhowe | It's the FAQ's fault |
| 21:49.53 | Leeds | it does if something belongs to it |
| 21:50.07 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes, but not in the context of tvrecordings.com :) |
| 21:50.16 | Leeds | true |
| 21:50.24 | wethrin | Dear WebMonkey, GET A FUCKING CLUE ABOUT GRAMMAR. Love, Pedant. |
| 21:54.57 | wethrin | I've got Eurostar tickets |
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| 21:56.07 | pawel | :-) |
| 21:56.20 | pawel | re. |
| 21:57.17 | wethrin | re |
| 21:57.25 | pawel | I would like to know, where exactly we will meet in Saturday. |
| 21:57.35 | pawel | wethrin, hello my friend. :-) |
| 21:57.38 | wethrin | The usual place :) |
| 21:57.41 | wethrin | Westminster Uni |
| 21:58.10 | pawel | wethrin, OK, but I was only on pub meet. ;-) |
| 21:58.23 | wethrin | Ahh....okay. |
| 21:58.24 | pawel | wethrin, westminister tube station? |
| 21:58.30 | wethrin | No. |
| 21:58.32 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:58.39 | pawel | ;-) |
| 21:58.41 | wethrin | Goodge Street, or Great Portland Street. |
| 21:59.22 | pawel | ok, I know where is it. |
| 21:59.27 | wethrin | Good :) |
| 22:00.18 | pawel | is there any posibility to meet before, somewere around the station? |
| 22:00.27 | wethrin | Probably. |
| 22:00.33 | wethrin | But I'm not sure what time I'll get there. |
| 22:01.03 | rhowe | wethrin: If you see my book on your travels, please pick it up :) |
| 22:01.13 | pawel | hi rhowe. |
| 22:01.24 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 22:01.25 | murb | are people forming beer conspiracies? |
| 22:02.08 | pawel | Leeds, sattelite photos? ;-) |
| 22:02.10 | wethrin | murb: Only at Fosdem. |
| 22:02.13 | wethrin | Which I have tickets for now. |
| 22:02.21 | rhowe | heya pawel |
| 22:02.34 | murb | wethrin: the venue for friday is not decided or fixed, and it may well be different from last year. |
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| 22:03.00 | wethrin | murb: Then hopefully there'll be plenty of time for me to find it |
| 22:03.00 | pawel | s/sattelite/satellite/ |
| 22:03.12 | murb | wethrin: which train are you going on? |
| 22:03.12 | Leeds | pawel: no, walker's-eye |
| 22:03.16 | wethrin | Oh, and I've got Dom's Eurostar tickets too - he's coming along. |
| 22:03.16 | wethrin | 1042. |
| 22:03.30 | murb | wethrin: oh and you said somthing about the 1042 not having cheap tickets. |
| 22:03.38 | wethrin | They're all the same price(ish) |
| 22:03.40 | murb | and when i checked after you'd said that, they still did. |
| 22:03.47 | murb | i mean 29.50 |
| 22:03.51 | wethrin | It was £39.50 today. |
| 22:03.56 | wethrin | That's how much I had to pay. |
| 22:04.09 | murb | yesterday it was 29.50 |
| 22:04.12 | murb | online |
| 22:04.16 | wethrin | Yes. Annoying. |
| 22:04.21 | wethrin | And Friday it was £39.50. |
| 22:04.27 | murb | did your fare reduction thing work? |
| 22:04.31 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 22:04.35 | wethrin | £44 for me. |
| 22:04.38 | pawel | I've read quite nice article about Linux RTOS in LU&D. |
| 22:05.54 | murb | the 12:30 is still cheap. |
| 22:06.06 | pawel | it will be nice to hear about Linux-based mars rover on Mars. :) |
| 22:06.17 | murb | why? |
| 22:07.20 | pawel | murb, how opensource community can improve wide areas of life. |
| 22:08.16 | pawel | sorry, it's not a question, I should write, it's nice to hear about... how... |
| 22:08.19 | pawel | sorry. :) |
| 22:12.19 | pawel | if you only want and if you have good knowledge you can create a tools what will be used in mars mission. you don't need to work for NASA. :) |
| 22:18.31 | SpudULike | Depart :LONDON, Victoria coach station, Greater London on service EU 163 at 21:30 on Thursday, 19 February 2004 |
| 22:18.32 | SpudULike | Arrive :Brussels, Eurolines coach station, CCN north station, BELGIUM at 06:00 on Friday, 20 February 2004 |
| 22:18.32 | SpudULike | Return journey |
| 22:18.32 | SpudULike | Depart :Brussels, Eurolines coach station, CCN north station, BELGIUM on service EU 163 at 22:45 on Sunday, 22 February 2004 |
| 22:18.36 | SpudULike | Arrive :LONDON, Victoria coach station, Greater London at 06:00 on Monday, 23 February 2004 |
| 22:20.31 | murb | SpudULike: urgle looks 'orible |
| 22:21.16 | SpudULike | Bugger, that came out on #gllug didn't it! |
| 22:22.06 | SpudULike | Was supposed to be confined to a /msg. I forgot about the LFs. |
| 22:25.59 | Leeds | so now we *all* know you're going to be spending the nights on the bus! |
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| 22:27.37 | SpudULike | *Heh*, yeah. 'twas a good job I'd stopped talking about you all as well! |
| 22:37.35 | new2unix | SpudULike: Bah |
| 22:37.57 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 22:38.42 | pawel | Leeds, did you find this photos? |
| 22:39.17 | pawel | s/this/that/ |
| 22:39.21 | pawel | :-S |
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| 23:03.16 | JD | anyone know a short way of doing a sort -u to a perl list? |
| 23:03.58 | adhoc | JD, you want to do a unique sort? |
| 23:04.17 | JD | adhoc: well just uniquing would be good |
| 23:04.29 | adhoc | hmmm |
| 23:04.32 | JD | but they are arein no particular ordering |
| 23:04.51 | JD | I could put them into a hash and fetch them out again |
| 23:04.54 | adhoc | what is the source of the 'stuff' you want to sort? |
| 23:05.18 | JD | push @modules, split ' ', $scripts->{$script}->{'modules'}; |
| 23:07.23 | adhoc | hmmm im outa practice on perl |
| 23:08.03 | adhoc | you could just put all the module names into a hash then get a list of the sorted key names |
