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| 00:10.35 | Marios_ | Hello everybody |
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| 00:14.35 | highbury | nn folk |
| 00:41.17 | JD | highbury: eeck at your kernel |
| 00:41.28 | JD | you only need the 4G if you have more than about 900Mb |
| 00:49.33 | wethrin | blah |
| 00:49.35 | wethrin | I went to the pub |
| 00:53.07 | JD | but I had to drive home |
| 00:53.16 | wethrin | :( |
| 00:53.21 | pawel | wethrin, that's bad? |
| 00:53.23 | wethrin | So you didn't have 5 pints forced down you |
| 00:53.29 | JD | nope |
| 00:53.33 | JD | did you? |
| 00:53.33 | pawel | are you drunk? :) |
| 00:53.38 | JD | you don't look like you did |
| 00:53.55 | wethrin | Well, I was coerced into at least one of those pints :) |
| 00:54.23 | pawel | :) |
| 00:57.32 | JD | hmm are they giving away free ipv6 tunnels still? |
| 00:57.59 | wethrin | YEs |
| 00:58.06 | wethrin | Mine's still working :) |
| 00:58.14 | wethrin | But it's appeared to lose its reverse DNS |
| 00:58.49 | JD | I really need to sort ipv6 out |
| 00:59.07 | JD | is it a real address or a 6bone? |
| 00:59.46 | wethrin | 6bone is real :) |
| 00:59.52 | wethrin | Try pinging me (do a /whois) |
| 01:01.38 | rhowe | hm, perl people can sure drink |
| 01:01.52 | JD | wtf? http://www.livejournal.com/users/deprimido/80411.html |
| 01:02.06 | JD | wethrin: thought 6bones where being phased out |
| 01:02.34 | wethrin | rhowe: :) |
| 01:02.42 | wethrin | JD: Don't think so. |
| 01:02.47 | wethrin | Anyway, it's a 2001: prefix |
| 01:03.07 | rhowe | And $friend said not to text her tonight |
| 01:03.33 | wethrin | Upside down, hanging from a bar near the ceiling? |
| 01:04.44 | rhowe | More like stuck between a rock and a lonely place |
| 01:04.48 | wethrin | ah |
| 01:05.04 | rhowe | There's a pic @ http://www.siksai.co.uk/pics/ |
| 01:05.14 | rhowe | Laura, rita sandra & nancy or something |
| 01:05.24 | rhowe | she's the one with the red neck thing |
| 01:05.33 | rhowe | Except she's hotter now |
| 01:06.08 | wethrin | What filename? |
| 01:07.44 | wethrin | Ah. Foundit |
| 01:08.54 | rhowe | Rita++ |
| 01:08.59 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:09.31 | rhowe | Sarah++++ of course |
| 01:09.54 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/gallery/ - take your pick of Sarah pics :) |
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| 01:10.21 | wethrin | heh |
| 01:10.26 | wethrin | hi anth |
| 01:10.30 | rhowe | anth? |
| 01:10.49 | rhowe | Is anth someone I pretended to know tonight? |
| 01:11.12 | wethrin | Probably not :) |
| 01:11.21 | rhowe | ah |
| 01:11.39 | rhowe | bed would be a good idea except lying flat would be bad |
| 01:11.57 | wethrin | I'm already in bed |
| 01:13.22 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 01:14.28 | rhowe | although verticalish is a problem, it would seem |
| 01:17.45 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:18.03 | rhowe | hm, $friend's bf tried to call ~23h ago, apparently |
| 01:18.29 | wethrin | To call you? |
| 01:18.59 | rhowe | yeah |
| 01:19.20 | rhowe | -ECOMPLICATED |
| 01:19.25 | wethrin | Ah |
| 01:19.37 | wethrin | nighty night |
| 01:19.45 | rhowe | Indeed |
| 01:20.31 | rhowe | I'll be back in 5min going "argh, my head" :) |
| 01:21.22 | Leeds | good luck :-) |
| 01:35.42 | Leeds | well, the PC seems alive |
| 01:51.47 | Leeds | ? |
| 01:55.30 | Leeds | and now to bed... |
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| 03:49.09 | Cope | relo |
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| 06:09.03 | new2unix | moin all |
| 06:31.11 | Tarragon | Moin new2unix |
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| 09:20.09 | zachary | moin |
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| 09:38.52 | highbury | morning |
| 09:39.53 | Nutshell | good morning |
| 09:51.57 | anth | Hi all |
| 09:57.28 | Tarragon | Hi anth |
| 10:06.57 | anth | Hows it going? |
| 10:08.41 | Tarragon | Slowly, but it is Friday so the end is in sight |
| 10:09.47 | Tarragon | And you? |
| 10:16.07 | anth | Counting down to the end of the day. Its not too bad, I'm just getting bored with SQL |
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| 10:52.46 | wethrin | blah |
| 10:55.52 | Tarragon | blah cafe |
| 10:56.07 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:56.39 | Tarragon | JeanMichel Jarre track |
| 11:25.43 | Cope | Yay! My dole money has arrived after 6 weeks! |
| 11:26.01 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:26.07 | Nutshell | hurray |
| 11:26.33 | wethrin | Not chocolates? |
| 11:26.37 | Cope | lol |
| 11:26.44 | wethrin | Mmm. 25lb of chocolate |
| 11:27.15 | Nutshell | me not get any money me house husband :) |
| 11:28.00 | Nutshell | about time wethrin and have some breakfast to |
| 11:28.16 | wethrin | Might go out for chinese for lunch |
| 11:30.11 | Nutshell | think i'll cook chinese for tea tonight :) |
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| 11:33.25 | Jenson | morning |
| 11:34.27 | Cope | morning to you too :o) |
| 11:34.40 | Jenson | heya Cope how are you? |
| 11:36.47 | Cope | I'm okay thanks, how are you doing? |
| 11:37.13 | Jenson | im alright thanks, supposed to be tidying up |
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| 11:40.44 | murble | good monring |
| 11:40.50 | Jenson | morning murble |
| 11:40.52 | Jenson | morning Leeds |
| 11:42.03 | Cope | How do I replace a every character with nothing (ie delete it) using sed? |
| 11:42.32 | Cope | ie what do you use as 'nothing' in your s/// ? |
| 11:42.49 | Cope | Morning Leeds. |
| 11:42.58 | Leeds | morning guys |
| 11:43.36 | highbury | s/.//g |
| 11:43.53 | Cope | highbury: got you - so just literally nothing. |
| 11:43.56 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.09 | highbury | will delete the line |
| 11:44.25 | wethrin | murble: Back at home now? |
| 11:44.38 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.59 | zachary | Jess pass her exam with a 90%. :-) |
| 11:45.04 | wethrin | cool :) |
| 11:45.11 | highbury | depending whether you want to lose newline |
| 11:45.22 | highbury | congrats jess, go girl! |
| 11:46.07 | Cope | highbury: Just wants to delete every occurance of a rogue character. I did sed s/¬//g < foo |
| 11:46.21 | Cope | highbury: but got permission denied... must be missing something |
| 11:46.23 | murble | wethrin: yep |
| 11:47.25 | zachary | She has another one next thursday. Which means I'll be a bit busy with the kids, so she can study. |
| 11:47.32 | stephen_ | Cope: sed -e s/¬// > foo |
| 11:47.47 | stephen_ | works for me |
| 11:48.11 | Cope | stephen: doh - wrong > |
| 11:48.19 | stephen_ | ;-) |
| 11:48.48 | wethrin | Back later on |
| 11:49.50 | stephen_ | bye wethrin |
| 11:50.16 | Jenson | BRB - its raining on the horse so i need to let her in |
| 11:50.18 | highbury | cope: you must have read access to foo |
| 11:50.40 | highbury | vim is also good at this :-) |
| 11:51.53 | Cope | highbury: Yeah, but I know how to do it in vi! |
| 11:52.54 | Cope | highbury: Still struggling - file is 755 and I'm still getting: bash: //g: Permission denied. |
| 11:53.17 | highbury | paste me precise command |
| 11:53.21 | Cope | ok |
| 11:54.14 | Tarragon | sed s/¬// input.txt > output.txt |
| 11:54.37 | highbury | wrong |
| 11:54.44 | Tarragon | why? |
| 11:55.03 | Cope | sed s/>//g < foo.txt - is what I did first. But maybe the > needs to be escaped? |
| 11:55.09 | highbury | well, just not perfect |
| 11:55.13 | nasrat | doesn't gnu sed have -i for inline |
| 11:55.45 | highbury | sed -e 's/¬//g' < input.txt > output.txt |
| 11:56.17 | highbury | if ¬ is a really wacky character you may need to use its ascii code |
| 11:56.49 | Jenson | back |
| 11:56.59 | Cope | highbury: worked exactly as you typed - is the difference the ' ' ? |
| 11:57.21 | Jenson | well i better eat |
| 11:57.22 | Jenson | BBL |
| 11:57.46 | Cope | What on earth is ¬ used for anyway? |
| 11:58.37 | Leeds | it's like a pipe, only for going around corners |
| 12:00.04 | highbury | its a typsetting character I think, I type it into "od" from bash it says its 0x0a which is Ascii LF. has your file come from dos? |
| 12:00.41 | highbury | ie. you had <cr><lf> characters in the file which haven't been properly converted to <lf> |
| 12:01.56 | ar | so, the dos2unix utility would have worked nicely? |
| 12:02.05 | Tarragon | It is the ¬ character. Used in ladder diagrams for CNC lathe programming |
| 12:02.57 | highbury | ar: probably |
| 12:03.15 | highbury | bonus points to Tarragon |
| 12:04.23 | Cope | File was emailed to me, yes, probably from dos. |
| 12:05.05 | ar | considering that the dos2unix utility is at version 3.1, one has to wonder if it does anything else |
| 12:05.41 | Tarragon | But there is only me old enough to remember ladder diagrams. Bet it is all graphical stuff now. |
| 12:05.46 | highbury | perhaps unicode support, or even convert a DOS partition to Linux |
| 12:06.08 | highbury | its certainly a mathematical symbol |
| 12:06.09 | ar | nah, it only converts text files |
| 12:06.18 | ar | unicode is a possibility |
| 12:11.24 | ar | ascii and 7bit apparently |
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| 12:42.44 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 12:43.36 | anth | Hello |
| 12:45.45 | zachary | afternoon jason_ukfsn |
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| 13:08.32 | Nutshell | anyone using Debian with grub ? |
| 13:08.52 | murble | yes. |
| 13:09.27 | Nutshell | murble: would it be possible for you to show me your grub.conf ? |
| 13:09.42 | Cope | grub rocks |
| 13:09.54 | Nutshell | shure does |
| 13:10.35 | Cope | nuthshell: What are you trying to do? Most important grub stuff takes place in menu.lst |
| 13:11.03 | Nutshell | want to have a play tripple boot win xp fedora & debian |
| 13:11.30 | Cope | Nutshell - easy |
| 13:12.35 | Nutshell | just made room for debian and would like to just add the lines to the grub.conf for debian to boot if possible ? |
| 13:12.53 | Cope | Nutshell: You add it in menu.lst |
| 13:13.34 | Cope | Add them before BEGIN AUTOMAGIC |
| 13:13.42 | Cope | or after END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC |
| 13:13.46 | Cope | Windows: |
| 13:13.59 | Cope | title whatever |
| 13:14.06 | Cope | root (hdx,x) |
| 13:14.10 | Cope | makeactive |
| 13:14.13 | Cope | chainloader +1 |
| 13:14.38 | Cope | Other distro: |
| 13:14.40 | Nutshell | just add it to the menu list ie kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2138.nptl |
| 13:14.54 | Cope | title another distro |
| 13:15.01 | Cope | root (hdx,x) |
| 13:15.22 | Cope | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdxx |
| 13:15.27 | Cope | That's it |
| 13:15.35 | Nutshell | Cope: thanks |
| 13:16.00 | Nutshell | i have a good idea now of how to do it |
| 13:16.06 | Cope | Of course you can append kernel options as you like, but you get the idea. |
| 13:16.07 | murble | Nutshell: http://www.yuri.org.uk/~murble/menu.lst |
| 13:16.20 | Nutshell | but do you have to have a line for initrd ? |
| 13:16.41 | murble | only if you use an initrd. |
| 13:17.04 | Cope | Nutshell - Are you using the fedora grub, and adding debian & windows? |
| 13:17.15 | Nutshell | murble: thanks that's just what i needed :) |
| 13:17.33 | Nutshell | Cope: already dual booting |
| 13:17.48 | Nutshell | with xp & fedora |
| 13:17.58 | Nutshell | hate windows |
| 13:18.10 | Nutshell | wish my son would convert |
| 13:20.25 | Cope | porridge++ |
| 13:22.24 | Cope | murble: Nice menu.lst :o) |
| 13:22.39 | Cope | 3 |
| 13:25.28 | murble | Cope: it is just the slighly modified example one.. |
| 13:29.10 | Nutshell | see you all later if i don't mess things up |
| 13:32.04 | jason_ukfsn | one gotcha with grub is that some builds set chroot for boot images to /boot so you don't specify /boot/file but only /file |
| 14:17.04 | jason_ukfsn | ping Cope |
| 14:17.30 | jason_ukfsn | Does anyone here use PayPal? |
| 14:17.49 | Leeds | once or twice, yes |
| 14:18.25 | jason_ukfsn | Does it allow you to change the currency you make a payment in - ie merchant wants $10 and you pay in GBP at the relevant exchange rate? |
| 14:21.01 | jason_ukfsn | I've just written the code to add validation of IPN data against a persistent store of the transaction data to the Business::PayPal module and I'm not sure if the code I added to handle such situations is actually necessary or not |
| 14:22.59 | Leeds | I don't recall seeing that, but I could have missed it or it could be optional |
| 14:32.02 | jason_ukfsn | Hopefully the original author of the module will know. I've submitted the lot back to him with a note detailing my concerns on that score. |
| 14:36.36 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 14:40.27 | jason_ukfsn | I would like it to be correct though as I'm going to be releasing these opensrs-sf hooks and one of them will be using the fuctionality in this module (hence my interest) |
| 15:01.28 | evangineer | Hey all. |
| 15:02.47 | evangineer | Looks like IBM might be doing internal Linux desktop deployments http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13537 |
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| 15:09.10 | jason_ukfsn | yes I saw that yesterday |
| 15:11.21 | jason_ukfsn | If IBM can make the transition and show it all works as well as or better than $OTHER desktop it will be a big help in pushingLinux on the desktop |
| 15:12.21 | jason_ukfsn | I'd never noticed ;) |
| 15:14.24 | Leeds | i.e. all those people who are generic - who don't work for *IBM* - who work for $RANDOM_BIG_COMPANY |
| 15:14.33 | jason_ukfsn | secretaries are easy - you just switch their boses. |
| 15:14.40 | jason_ukfsn | The others are pretty much the same. |
| 15:14.55 | jason_ukfsn | The ones you need to convince are the board - particularly the financial and admin/IT directors |
| 15:15.25 | jason_ukfsn | That's what MS did so well in the mid '90s when they switched away from promoting to techies and promoted heavily to the board room |
| 15:55.56 | pawel | hi guys. :) |
| 16:11.35 | anth | IBM has many lawyers/accountants/etc, and the resources to make sure that the software can work properly for them |
| 16:20.26 | evangineer | lol! http://www.scocountdown.com/ |
| 16:21.25 | evangineer | rhowe: what have you done now? |
| 16:22.00 | evangineer | hi pawel |
| 16:22.00 | rhowe | brb |
| 16:24.07 | evangineer | anth: Yes, and it makes a nice opportunity for Global Services to skill up on desktop linux deployments before attempting to sell their corporate customers on the idea. |
| 16:28.19 | jason_ukfsn | So who reckons SCO will fail to meet the judge's order to disclose fully by the 11th - this Sunday? |
| 16:30.07 | pawel | i love ibm, because they have on the web page information about hardware compatibilty with linux, you can compare ibm's laptops before you will buy it and check how that will be work with linux. |
| 16:30.18 | anth | I reckon they can disclose all their evidence and disclose nothing at the same time |
| 16:30.46 | pawel | and they are giving always good info about batteries. |
| 16:30.54 | anth | What happenned to the last car from ebay? |
| 16:31.20 | murble | it expired? |
| 16:32.45 | jason_ukfsn | anth: that's what they tried to do before December. The judge was very unimpressed hence the current order. |
| 16:33.53 | jason_ukfsn | The last car is still sort of going however this week someone tried to steal it so the locks are damaged and the ignition is in pieces. I can still get the car to start and drive it well enough (although there is now a problem with the carb as well) however I have to hold the ignition together under the steering wheel to turn the key and start it |
| 16:34.45 | jason_ukfsn | fixing the ignition will be very easy - just replace the plastic unit the cables plug into which connects to the key/lock block (the only damage is to the clips on it which being plastic cannot easily be repaired. |
| 16:35.20 | jason_ukfsn | The locks need to be replaced however these cars are not exactly secure so I'm not bothered as I can still lock the door and use the key to unlock it |
| 16:35.26 | jason_ukfsn | I am still driving the car |
| 16:36.13 | jason_ukfsn | There are a few things wrong with it that need remedying for it to pass it's MOT though. |
| 16:36.54 | jason_ukfsn | there are only one or two cars on Ebay worth considering today. |
| 16:37.30 | jason_ukfsn | I want something for no more than £100 |
| 16:37.44 | anth | So once you've got another does the old one go back on ebay? |
| 16:38.09 | jason_ukfsn | probably - although I may not buy a replacement if I can get the engine sorted out as the car is otherwise sound. |
| 16:38.22 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: £100 -- yikes my Oyster card cost more than that :-) |
| 16:38.25 | jason_ukfsn | aside from the damaged locks and ignition of course but they aren't important |
| 16:38.57 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: I'm a cheapskate and I don't see why I should pay more than that for a car - the current one cost £102 in September. |
| 16:39.19 | jason_ukfsn | ping Cope |
| 16:39.36 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: I wasn't knocking it... I consider cars to be massively overpriced anyway. If it gets you there....... |
| 16:40.19 | jason_ukfsn | It's only given me a serious problem once and that was just a battery going dead. I have a charger so that problem was easy to fix. |
| 16:40.50 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: What was the spec of the car you bought in September out of interest? |
| 16:40.53 | jason_ukfsn | The engine trouble is a pain but I can still drive the car albeit the car is a bit noisy |
| 16:41.09 | jason_ukfsn | Astra estate 1.3 petrol engine 1987 E reg. |
| 16:42.03 | jason_ukfsn | Insurace costs three times what I paid for the car but I can pay that over the course of the year. |
| 16:42.09 | mozrat | Cool.. I was expecting to see you say something older |
| 16:42.11 | jason_ukfsn | Tax costs more than the car |
| 16:42.21 | mozrat | A full tank of petrol..... |
| 16:42.50 | jason_ukfsn | I see much younger cars on Ebay at the moment that someone able to do some repairs could get for less than £100 and the repairs would probably only cost the same again. |
| 16:42.56 | jason_ukfsn | I'm not interested in real work though |
| 16:43.05 | jason_ukfsn | A full tank of petrol is about £25 |
| 16:43.28 | jason_ukfsn | The car's not very good on the fuel economy side of things at the moment due to the carb problem. |
| 16:43.44 | jason_ukfsn | I have to keep the choke engaged to stop it cutting out. |
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| 16:44.36 | jason_ukfsn | I need to pop around to the shop. Back in 10 |
| 16:54.45 | rhowe | evangineer: Well.. |
| 16:55.24 | rhowe | evangineer: Lifang's boyfriend today discovered that me and Lifang slept together a couple of weeks ago and told my girlfriend |
| 16:55.52 | rhowe | evangineer: Wouldn't be so bad, except she's 6k miles away |
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| 17:14.39 | Jenson | heya guys |
| 17:14.53 | jason_ukfsn | hey Jenson |
| 17:14.57 | jason_ukfsn | how's it going? |
| 17:14.59 | Jenson | wethrin: I'll download anything i need from the server tonight, so you can delete it all tomorrow if you want |
| 17:15.10 | Jenson | hey jason_ukfsn im fine thanks, how are you? |
| 17:17.40 | Jenson | why the hell is my ebay all in german |
| 17:18.01 | Jenson | grr, its logged me in the .de one |
| 17:18.21 | jason_ukfsn | Jenson: they know something we dont? |
| 17:18.35 | Jenson | no, the site is just dodgy |
| 17:19.32 | evangineer | rhowe: oh dear, quite the mess! |
| 17:20.02 | rhowe | evangineer: Yeah. Looks like I'll be making a hurried visit to .hk |
| 17:20.52 | rhowe | 325 quid and I'll be there for valentine's |
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| 17:22.45 | jason_ukfsn | re |
| 17:23.26 | rhowe | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 17:23.35 | rhowe | Works a treat here |
| 17:24.03 | jason_ukfsn | no, more a matter of loading ide-scsi while ide-cdrom is loaded and then accessing the device. I need to clean up this SuSE box a bit |
| 17:24.47 | jason_ukfsn | I've had issues with ebay today |
| 17:24.58 | Jenson | i had issues with it earlier, and a couple of days ago |
| 17:25.17 | jason_ukfsn | I've been watching the past few days to see if a suitable car comes up |
| 17:25.38 | Jenson | ah i see |
| 17:26.08 | jason_ukfsn | although I may not buy a new one if the current one's engine problem (maybe just dirty or misaligned carb) can be easily fixed. |
| 17:27.36 | Jenson | yeh |
| 17:27.41 | Jenson | well, you can look |
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| 17:30.33 | jason_ukfsn | re again |
| 17:30.49 | jason_ukfsn | once more I curse IDE subsystems with cdrecords on |
| 17:30.58 | wethrin | Blah |
| 17:31.14 | murble | SATA actually nearly works.. |
| 17:31.33 | murble | but don't buy anything with both SATA and RAID inthe name sold by Promise. |
| 17:32.16 | jason_ukfsn | I'd been thinking about IDE RAID recently. I'm still using SCSI RAID however it costs a lot - even in these days of 36G drives for about £100 |
| 17:33.23 | murble | jason_ukfsn: if you do it, use a 3ware thing. |
| 17:34.25 | jason_ukfsn | that's what I was thinking. If I go down that route I'll use P-ATA I think |
| 17:38.52 | Jenson | hi wethrin |
| 17:41.29 | zachary | wethrin: lapi didn't arive today. :-( |
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| 17:43.19 | wethrin | :( |
| 17:43.49 | zachary | And I have a bunch of negative that I wanted to scan this weekend. |
| 17:44.35 | Jenson | seeya later guys |
| 17:50.58 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: You don't need ide-scsi if you're running 2.6.x, maybe applies to other kernels too |
| 17:51.29 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: cdrecord has support for sending commands over ATAPI directly these days |
| 17:52.03 | pawel | I'm writing my complains about my experience with Nochex on Konqueror. |
| 17:52.51 | jason_ukfsn | rhowe: I'm running a 2.4 kernel. Don't trust 2.6 just yet |
| 17:53.16 | wethrin | But it's 2.6. Therefore it must be stable ;-) |
| 17:53.20 | jason_ukfsn | I suspect the problem for me is largely that I replaced a SCSI CDRW with an IDE last week and I've not properly reconfigured the box |
| 17:53.35 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: You have the SCSI drive spare :) |
| 17:53.36 | wethrin | ? |
| 17:53.42 | pawel | I'm wondering how that can help me and maybe how that will be helpful for other Konq's users. |
| 17:53.50 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: I take it you've read my comments re: 2.6 and due diligence on the list/ |
| 17:54.26 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: yes although I am not ready to be rid of it yet. It's a trusty Yamaha 4/2/6 |
| 17:55.09 | jason_ukfsn | it's the same drive I used burning disks for Definite Linux when I was selling the CDs directly back in 1998/1999 |
| 17:55.16 | wethrin | I've read your posts :) |
| 17:55.25 | wethrin | Well, if/when you do decide it needs a good home.... :) |
| 17:55.38 | jason_ukfsn | yes, I'll put it up on ebay ;) |
| 17:55.55 | jason_ukfsn | TBH it's likely I'll keep it as a fall back |
| 17:56.26 | jason_ukfsn | I have another box that lacks any kind of cd drive so it's kind of tempting to put this in there. |
| 17:56.29 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: See if you can run cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -prcap |
| 17:56.39 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: If it returns the drive's capabilities, you can ditch ide-scsi |
| 17:57.14 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: I can swap it for an IDE drive :) |
| 17:57.16 | wethrin | HP writer |
| 17:57.33 | jason_ukfsn | no rhowe - it claims to be very alpha in the version I have - 1.11a28 |
| 17:57.56 | jason_ukfsn | LOL wethrin I had one of the original HP CDR's - it was crap |
| 17:58.02 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: 1.11 of cdrecord? That must be ancient |
| 17:58.20 | jason_ukfsn | it's what came with SuSE 8.1 |
| 17:58.24 | rhowe | # cdrecord -version |
| 17:58.25 | rhowe | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J�rg Schilling |
| 17:58.36 | wethrin | CD Writer Plus 800 series is what I've got :) |
| 17:58.37 | rhowe | And even that's out of date I think |
| 17:59.18 | jason_ukfsn | I may grab a more recent cdrecord and see if that works using the device as ATA |
| 17:59.23 | rhowe | Vendor_info : 'SONY ' |
| 17:59.23 | rhowe | Identifikation : 'DVD RW DW-U14A ' |
| 17:59.37 | jason_ukfsn | nobody likes a poser! |
| 18:00.06 | rhowe | The only thing I've used it for so far is to put every powerpuff girls episode on one disk |
| 18:00.13 | jason_ukfsn | Actually i am tempted to buy a DVD RW now that their down to a reasonable price although I'm tempted to buy a car with the money instead |
| 18:00.40 | jason_ukfsn | altogether now... |
| 18:00.55 | jason_ukfsn | fighting crime, trying to save the world, here they come just in time... |
| 18:01.20 | rhowe | barely legal bukkake teens? |
| 18:01.27 | rhowe | Or is that a different song? :P |
| 18:02.10 | jason_ukfsn | I suspect so. Either that or you've been reading your spam again |
| 18:02.50 | jason_ukfsn | is that since you went into the kenneling business? |
| 18:02.52 | rhowe | woohoo |
| 18:03.19 | rhowe | I'm the only one on it, but it works :) |
| 18:03.47 | jason_ukfsn | I don't hold with online chat systems |
| 18:04.02 | rhowe | This is for work, to help cut the cost of transatlantic calls |
| 18:04.03 | wethrin | Not even IRC? ;-) |
| 18:04.14 | jason_ukfsn | I've never used IRC in my life! |
| 18:04.25 | rhowe | hm, someone sent me this and said "just for you" http://www.annsummers.com/single.asp?gid=7&cat=1&pid=2056 |
| 18:04.36 | jason_ukfsn | come to think of it I've never even seen a computer before |
| 18:05.14 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: That would explain why you're running an ISP then ;-) |
| 18:05.33 | rhowe | wethrin: Is Jason someone who was in the pub last night? |
| 18:05.34 | jason_ukfsn | rhowe: you wear lingerie often then? |
| 18:05.44 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: I'm trying to cut down |
| 18:05.44 | wethrin | rhowe: Nope |
| 18:05.47 | jason_ukfsn | I was in the pub opposite my flat last night |
| 18:05.54 | rhowe | ah, 'k |
| 18:05.59 | jason_ukfsn | what? wearing skimpier knickers? |
| 18:07.00 | rhowe | Well yeah, it can get embarrassing |
| 18:07.34 | jason_ukfsn | woohoo me! |
| 18:08.54 | jason_ukfsn | I've just finished writing hooks into opensrs-sf (opensrs client) to offer multiple payment system support incl. WorldPay and PayPal |
| 18:08.58 | jason_ukfsn | should be saleable. |
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| 18:09.48 | jason_ukfsn | had a look at that URL rhowe and everything is too small for me :( |
| 18:14.16 | evangineer | rhowe: what software are you using for the netmeeting directory server? I've been thinking about investiging divmod quotient for SIP. |
| 18:16.15 | rhowe | evangineer: OpenLDAP and the ndk |
| 18:16.36 | rhowe | evangineer: It's a pain to set up, because Netmeeting is crap, but it seems to work |
| 18:16.49 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: Even the fake nipples? |
| 18:17.39 | zachary | jason_ukfsn: I found something that would fit you http://www.annesummers.com/single.asp?gid=7&cat=17&pid=629 |
| 18:21.11 | jason_ukfsn | rhowe: I'll have to try them and let you know ;) |
| 18:21.29 | jason_ukfsn | their site seems very slow all of a sudden zachary - what are you doing on it? |
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| 18:22.17 | wethrin | 'lo Leeds |
| 18:22.26 | Leeds | evening |
| 18:22.37 | jason_ukfsn | surely you want to be looking at http://www.annsummers.com/products.asp?gid=6&cat=17 although their kit is supposed to be a bit cheap and nasty |
| 18:23.30 | Marios | hello Leeds |
| 18:24.09 | Leeds | hey Marios |
| 18:24.58 | Marios | what's going on ? |
| 18:25.02 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: zachary was asking for some means of keeping you under control. I was trying to tone down the other suggestions |
| 18:25.09 | Cope | Hello all |
| 18:25.32 | Marios | Hi Cope |
| 18:25.36 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.50 | Cope | I have an old cable that has female serial-type connector on one end and looks like male bigger one that looks like parallel connector... what is this? |
| 18:26.43 | stephen | a serial cable |
| 18:26.57 | Cope | Aha! |
| 18:27.10 | stephen | iirc, serial connectors originally had 25 pins |
| 18:27.24 | Cope | Yes is a D9 female to D25 male |
| 18:28.58 | Cope | So when I hear people talk about using a serial cable on a headless box to control an install, how does that work? |
| 18:29.45 | stephen | you can get linux to output what would normally be output to a screen to a serial console |
| 18:30.01 | Cope | From how early on? |
| 18:30.11 | Cope | You'd need a monitor at first, I presume? |
| 18:30.26 | Leeds | in theory, no |
| 18:30.26 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: you don't need a monitor at all. |
| 18:30.40 | jason_ukfsn | Everything from the LILO/GRUB output onwards can go to a serial console. |
| 18:31.02 | jason_ukfsn | Some BIOSes also support output to a serial console although they are not very common on x86 architecture |
| 18:31.46 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: if the install process initialises the serial console that's all that's really needed. |
| 18:31.46 | Cope | I see... so when I pop in a slackware cd into $HEADLESS_BOX, I wouldn't get output, but once the kernel starts booting, I would? |
| 18:32.02 | murble | jason_ukfsn: most modern "server" mobos do taht now. |
| 18:32.06 | jason_ukfsn | if you passed the appropriate parameters to the kernel yes. |
| 18:32.30 | murble | certainly the intel based box i installed last week had the feature. |
| 18:32.32 | jason_ukfsn | however be aware that you need init to output to the console too |
| 18:32.39 | Cope | jason_ukfsn: Ok, so then you connect the serial cable to another linux box; how do you set that up to see? |
| 18:33.14 | wethrin | minicom |
| 18:33.48 | Cope | Does anyone know of a how-to disussing this? |
| 18:34.14 | wethrin | Why read a useless document? |
| 18:34.14 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:34.17 | Cope | I have a new (old) box, and can't be fussed to sort out monitor etc for it. |
| 18:34.43 | Cope | wethrin: Because that way it saves other people holding my hand through the process! |
| 18:34.45 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: runb minicom on the box |
| 18:34.53 | jason_ukfsn | the serial HOWTO discusses this |
| 18:35.24 | jason_ukfsn | it's very straight forward though and the HOWTO covers a lot of other stuff. |
| 18:35.29 | Cope | I see |
| 18:35.45 | jason_ukfsn | google for "linux serial console" should point you to a simple guide |
| 18:35.57 | Cope | Presumably you need a keyboard hard-wired to the headless box? |
| 18:36.07 | jason_ukfsn | no, why would you need a keyboard? |
| 18:36.16 | Cope | to type |
| 18:36.28 | Cope | But you can send that down the serial cable too? |
| 18:36.29 | Leeds | why would you need to type? |
| 18:36.41 | jason_ukfsn | if you have a live serial console you use the device on the other end of that |
| 18:36.43 | murble | Cope: my earlier linked to menu.lst was for a serial console setup |
| 18:36.49 | Leeds | serial console is just that - it's the screen and keyboard on the end of a serial line |
| 18:37.07 | wethrin | Yes, but often after reading a HOWTO you need more handholding than if you didn't read it to beging with :) |
| 18:37.16 | murble | Leeds: or virutal ones :) |
| 18:37.38 | Leeds | murble: yes, of course |
| 18:37.46 | wethrin | Real Serial terminals are nice things :) |
| 18:38.32 | Leeds | from $PREVIOUS_EMPLOYER |
| 18:38.44 | murble | echo $PREVIOUS_EMPLOYER |
| 18:38.53 | Leeds | SCO |
| 18:40.16 | wethrin | Leeds wrote Linux? ;-) |
| 18:40.49 | Cope | Ok, so on the back of one of my boxes I have 2 9 pin and 1 25 pin connectors; I'd assumed the 25 pin one was a parallel port; Am I incorrect? |
| 18:40.58 | Leeds | no |
| 18:41.14 | Cope | Is this bad news for the serial console idea? |
| 18:41.40 | Leeds | well, you need something you can plug into each machine |
| 18:42.21 | Cope | well, my cable will connect a serial port on the new machine to the parallel port on the back of another. |
| 18:42.28 | Cope | Is this helpful? |
| 18:42.29 | wethrin | If you want to connect PC to PC, get a laplink serial cable |
| 18:43.12 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: no, you just need a 9-25 pin converter. It's still a serial cable. |
| 18:43.12 | evangineer | Cope: /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO |
| 18:43.12 | jason_ukfsn | don't connect serial->parallel |
| 18:43.12 | wethrin | It might be helpful to connect serial port on PC to serial port on a real terminal |
| 18:44.10 | Cope | Gah - I had a convertor, but not any more. |
| 18:44.22 | Cope | Oh well, I'll just connect a monitor and keyboard then. |
| 18:44.36 | jason_ukfsn | I probably still have one somewhere however it's not likely to be easy to find |
| 18:45.08 | jason_ukfsn | I'll have a look |
| 18:45.43 | Cope | Oooh - another 3c509 |
| 18:45.46 | jason_ukfsn | I have a box of SB16s and SB AWE32s under my desk |
| 18:46.02 | rhowe | Cope: parallel connectors on the back of PCs are usually female |
| 18:46.10 | rhowe | Cope: Serial ports tend to be male sockets |
| 18:46.28 | Cope | rhowe: Handy tips for identifying. Thanks :o) |
| 18:46.50 | rhowe | Cope: On the more modern ones, the parallel port is the red one |
| 18:48.59 | Cope | Mine's pink. |
| 18:51.18 | Cope | rhowe: hot tips on ps2 mouse or keyboard (very dark down there) |
| 18:51.53 | Cope | Which one is green? |
| 18:52.12 | jason_ukfsn | mouse I think |
| 18:52.21 | jason_ukfsn | keyboard is usually purple if it's colour coded |
| 18:52.56 | wethrin | 3c509++ |
| 18:52.59 | wethrin | And Awe64++ |
| 18:53.24 | wethrin | Mouse is green |
| 18:53.30 | wethrin | Keyboard is towards the bottom of the case |
| 18:53.53 | jason_ukfsn | while ( removing_item_from_box ) { awe32++; } |
| 18:57.04 | Cope | Oooh - free windows 95 cd |
| 18:57.08 | wethrin | Cope: Yes |
| 18:57.14 | wethrin | Go for both |
| 18:57.23 | rhowe | Cope: The keyboard is usually the one nearest the edge of the case |
| 18:57.39 | Cope | rhowe: torch++ |
| 18:57.49 | rhowe | batteries-- |
| 18:58.07 | rhowe | Cope: And Debian :) |
| 18:58.12 | nasrat | ibot: karma torch |
| 18:58.12 | | torch has neutral karma |
| 18:58.25 | rhowe | ibot: karma batteris |
| 18:58.25 | | batteris has neutral karma |
| 18:58.27 | rhowe | ibot: karma batteries |
| 18:58.27 | | batteries has neutral karma |
| 18:58.33 | wethrin | No. Not debian. |
| 18:58.36 | zachary | rhowe: debian sucks |
| 18:58.38 | nasrat | hmm, may not be activated |
| 18:58.39 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:58.46 | rhowe | Debian nice :) |
| 18:58.48 | wethrin | See, even zachary is learning :) |
| 18:59.08 | wethrin | Other than annoying advocates, what does Debian have to offer above other distros? |
| 18:59.20 | rhowe | What else does it need? :) |
| 18:59.50 | wethrin | People who aren't so insanely blind in their beliefs |
| 18:59.52 | jason_ukfsn | surely everyone uses Debian |
| 18:59.53 | rhowe | dselect, the world's nicest package selector (after doing echo expert >> /etc/dpkg/dselect.cfg) |
| 19:00.13 | wethrin | ./configure && make && make install |
| 19:00.15 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:00.33 | murble | rhowe: dselect was broken. |
| 19:00.41 | rhowe | was? |
| 19:00.43 | murble | they changed the keys etc :( |
| 19:01.06 | zachary | wethrin: Yea, and waite a year for things to build on an old system.(ok i'm exagerating) |
| 19:01.25 | Cope | zachary in which case: pkgadd |
| 19:01.58 | Leeds | argh pkgadd |
| 19:02.02 | wethrin | Yes. Or installpkg |
| 19:02.25 | rhowe | murble: Ah yes, they did |
| 19:03.43 | wethrin | Do I want a ScrapStation 10? |
| 19:03.51 | Cope | You do! |
| 19:03.57 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: what film? |
| 19:04.04 | jason_ukfsn | Lat Samurai |
| 19:04.14 | Cope | Is that a sequel? |
| 19:04.14 | jason_ukfsn | s/Lat/Last/ |
| 19:04.23 | Leeds | ah |
| 19:04.31 | Leeds | well, enjoy :-) |
| 19:05.12 | jason_ukfsn | I hope to. |
| 19:05.21 | jason_ukfsn | I'll contact you tomorrow Cope |
| 19:08.06 | Cope | Yay! NetBSD cd boots |
| 19:08.37 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:08.43 | Cope | Decision made :o) |
| 19:08.46 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:09.08 | rhowe | but..but..there is no XFS in BSD :) |
| 19:10.03 | rhowe | -rw-r--r-- 1 rhowe rhowe 625045 2003-12-21 16:01 xfs.ko |
| 19:10.12 | rhowe | mm, 600Kb filesystem :) |
| 19:10.49 | rhowe | anyway, time to go ~ |
| 19:10.49 | Cope | Hmm I don't need a compiler for a machine that will be purely a firewall. |
| 19:11.06 | wethrin | Meh. No-one needs excessive file systems |
| 19:11.14 | Cope | ext3++ |
| 19:11.19 | wethrin | Firewall? You be wanting OpenBSD then |
| 19:11.30 | wethrin | Ah |
| 19:11.47 | Cope | Could install netbsd, get a floppy image and install oBSD |
| 19:12.03 | wethrin | Heh |
| 19:12.07 | Cope | (no floppy drives in other machines) |
| 19:12.08 | wethrin | Install over network |
| 19:12.40 | Cope | wethrin: what would I need on NFS server to accomplish this? |
| 19:13.38 | wethrin | Install over http |
| 19:13.39 | wethrin | Or ftp |
| 19:14.12 | Cope | wethrin: Ok, but what would this need on the new box... I need to start the install somehow, right? |
| 19:15.44 | wethrin | Floppy drive and network card |
| 19:16.04 | Cope | Yes, but need floppy disk image, yes? |
| 19:16.10 | wethrin | Unless you download the cdrom34.fs, in which case burn it onto CD and boot |
| 19:16.12 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 19:16.21 | Cope | And the only fd is in that machine |
| 19:16.30 | wethrin | ftp://ftp.uk.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.4/i386/floppy34.fs |
| 19:16.35 | wethrin | ftp://ftp.uk.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.4/i386/cdrom34.fs |
| 19:16.41 | wethrin | (I think those are correct) |
| 19:17.07 | Cope | x |
| 19:17.09 | Cope | look |
| 19:17.12 | Cope | hmm |
| 19:17.37 | Cope | That was odd. |
| 19:17.58 | wethrin | ? |
| 19:18.06 | Cope | Where was I... ah yes, there's a cdrw in this machine, by chance. |
| 19:20.03 | wethrin | Cool |
| 19:20.09 | Cope | Didn't append ide-scsi though; can this be done ex eventu? |
| 19:21.26 | wethrin | Maybe :) |
| 19:21.40 | wethrin | rmmod ide-cd ; modprobe ide-scsi |
| 19:22.51 | Leeds | the sane way to do things |
| 19:22.59 | Cope | ide-scsi already there, used by 0 |
| 19:23.11 | Leeds | is ide-scsi there as well? |
| 19:23.32 | Leeds | um |
| 19:23.37 | Leeds | is ide-cd there as well? |
| 19:23.46 | Cope | lsmod gives ide-scsi only |
| 19:24.01 | Leeds | ah |
| 19:24.23 | Leeds | that probably means ide-cd is in the kernel, which means you're screwed |
| 19:24.49 | Cope | Arse |
| 19:31.14 | wethrin | Foodtime! |
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| 19:58.41 | Nutshell | hi all |
| 19:59.00 | Cope | hey ho |
| 19:59.22 | Nutshell | Cope you spent your dole money yet ? |
| 20:01.22 | Nutshell | good on you cope what comuter |
| 20:01.59 | Nutshell | computer |
| 20:15.14 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:15.48 | Nutshell | wethrin how do i do that then ? |
| 20:17.34 | zachary | Nutshell: http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social |
| 20:19.29 | Cope | Nutshell: P133 32M Ram, 640M hdd, NIC, VGA, CdRom, Floppy, in a big case. |
| 20:19.57 | wethrin | What zach said :) |
| 20:20.40 | Nutshell | ok done that thanks |
| 20:21.10 | wethrin | Good :) |
| 20:21.32 | Cope | So which is going to take longer: install netbsd, get obsd floppy image, dd to floppy; or take machine down; take a part, find fd from somewhere, install floppy, get oBSD floppy image etc etc? |
| 20:21.33 | Nutshell | Cope if you don't mined me asking what are you going to use it for |
| 20:21.41 | Cope | Nutshell: A pr0n server |
| 20:21.47 | Nutshell | lol |
| 20:21.58 | Cope | Nutshell: A firewall |
| 20:22.01 | wethrin | Cope: Depends how quickly you can find a working floppy drive |
| 20:22.21 | Nutshell | Cope i have a spare floppy |
| 20:23.24 | Cope | wethrin: Is it -really- going to be worth using oBSD over NetBSD for this purpose? |
| 20:23.54 | wethrin | I like pf. :) |
| 20:24.23 | Cope | I like JD - what's your point |
| 20:47.03 | wethrin | But JD's a debianite |
| 20:49.23 | Cope | Well, we have floppy in a computer, but the hdd on that computer is now shagged. |
| 20:53.25 | wethrin | D'oh |
| 20:53.34 | wethrin | Did you manage to work one of the cables loose? |
| 20:53.36 | Cope | I think its an ide issue |
| 20:53.46 | Cope | Its behaving very oddly |
| 21:16.27 | evangineer | PACKAGES.TXT and CHECKSUMS.md5 have different ideas about where packages are located. |
| 21:16.58 | evangineer | This breaks slapt-get. :-( |
| 21:17.35 | evangineer | The problem originated on ftp.slackware.com, I have confirmed. |