| 00:00.14 | rhowe | Ah right, a couple of train stops from here then |
| 00:00.25 | rhowe | well, and a bit of a walk |
| 00:02.23 | rhowe | Do you know any good pubs in London? Ones which don't serve watery beer with what I'd call froth on top? |
| 00:02.57 | Cope | rhowe: London's pretty damn big/ |
| 00:02.57 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 00:03.05 | rhowe | Cope: I noticed |
| 00:03.09 | wethrin | Come to Gllug beermeets and help us find them :) |
| 00:03.10 | Cope | But yes, I know several. |
| 00:03.23 | rhowe | wethrin: I would, but you haven't put the date for the next one in the topic |
| 00:03.27 | rhowe | Friday? :) |
| 00:03.36 | wethrin | They don't tend to get announced on the topic |
| 00:03.37 | pawel | I know a nice pub in Southgate. |
| 00:03.39 | pawel | :-) |
| 00:03.44 | wethrin | We tend to discuss them here :) |
| 00:03.55 | rhowe | wethrin: When's the next Gllug beermeet? :) |
| 00:04.03 | wethrin | Hm...Friday is too close to the London.pm beermeet |
| 00:04.06 | wethrin | No idea yet :) |
| 00:04.12 | wethrin | Haven't decided |
| 00:04.16 | rhowe | Thursday? |
| 00:04.21 | pawel | yeas! |
| 00:04.24 | pawel | yes! |
| 00:04.25 | pawel | even. |
| 00:04.26 | pawel | :-) |
| 00:04.43 | rhowe | Saturday? |
| 00:05.00 | wethrin | Some time next week would be better for me |
| 00:05.06 | wethrin | I'll have the train tickets then :) |
| 00:05.07 | rhowe | Monday? |
| 00:05.18 | Cope | $RANDOM_DAY |
| 00:05.20 | wethrin | Can't do Mondays |
| 00:05.39 | wethrin | rhowe: Come to the London.pm beerthing |
| 00:05.42 | pawel | I prefer this weekend. |
| 00:05.45 | rhowe | How many turn up at these beerthings? |
| 00:05.51 | rhowe | wethrin: What's London.pm? A perl group? |
| 00:05.53 | Cope | wethrin: doesn't it help to be a pm? |
| 00:05.56 | wethrin | The Gllug ones, about 10 |
| 00:06.00 | wethrin | Yes. London Perlmongers. |
| 00:06.04 | wethrin | Not that I code in Perl |
| 00:06.10 | Cope | lol |
| 00:06.15 | pawel | :> |
| 00:06.15 | rhowe | hrm, a Java person in a room of perlitists? :) |
| 00:06.28 | wethrin | Sortof |
| 00:06.40 | rhowe | wethrin: when/where? |
| 00:06.49 | wethrin | Belgravia, IIRC |
| 00:06.53 | Cope | why? how? |
| 00:06.59 | rhowe | Belgravia? |
| 00:07.18 | stephanb | k everybody, im off to |=---| |
| 00:07.29 | pawel | 3000km from Central London. 8-) |
| 00:07.39 | wethrin | http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/star_belgravia.html |
| 00:08.06 | wethrin | night stephanb |
| 00:08.10 | pawel | i'm going out. |
| 00:08.20 | pawel | . |
| 00:08.24 | wethrin | night pawel |
| 00:08.28 | stephanb | bye wethrin, bye pawel |
| 00:08.31 | *** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-208-33.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 00:08.47 | pawel | bye all. |
| 00:09.49 | rhowe | hm, sounds like it's easy enough to get to from work |
| 00:10.03 | rhowe | wethrin: What time are you planning to get there, and where will you be travelling from? |
| 00:10.16 | wethrin | I'll be in Parsons Green earlier - need to go into Mailbox |
| 00:10.21 | wethrin | So I'll be coming from there |
| 00:13.04 | rhowe | hrm, OK |
| 00:15.20 | rhowe | Ah, so it's on Belgrave Ms. (Mews?) West |
| 00:15.33 | wethrin | Errr....possibly :) |
| 00:15.39 | wethrin | Halkin Place |
| 00:16.50 | wethrin | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:16.51 | rhowe | Ah well Hyde Park Corner's easy enough to get to |
| 00:16.57 | wethrin | yeh |
| 00:17.12 | rhowe | Since I'll be starting at London Bridge |
| 00:17.32 | rhowe | Should I tell anyone I'm crashing their meet? |
| 00:19.54 | wethrin | No, just turn up |
| 00:26.41 | rhowe | OK. If you see me (http://www.siksai.co.uk/gallery/sarah_russ/DSC00301) looking lost in a corner of the pub, don't just leave me there :) |
| 00:27.24 | wethrin | okay |
| 00:30.01 | wethrin | Grumpf. I'm seriously limited as to what to do with my PCs now |
| 00:30.09 | Cope | why? |
| 00:30.35 | wethrin | I need a full tower case to have all my disks in. It's an ATX tower |
| 00:31.13 | wethrin | But the Athlon 900 is fucked. So I've got two other mobos to move into that |
| 00:31.38 | wethrin | A P3/450, but that only has 1 ISA slot, and I need to. Or a K62/450, but that's more of an AT-style motherboard |
| 00:31.46 | wethrin | (although it has an ATX connector) |
| 00:32.00 | Cope | Why do you need 2 ISA slots? |
| 00:32.38 | wethrin | Soundblaster AWE64, and 3c509 network card |
| 00:33.12 | wethrin | Do you have a PCI version of the 509? |
| 00:33.16 | wethrin | (3C590) |
| 00:33.42 | wethrin | No. :-/ |
| 00:33.56 | wethrin | I want something that's compatible with basically every OS that's out there |
| 00:34.07 | wethrin | I don't think OpenStep has support for the 905 |
| 00:34.16 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 00:34.47 | wethrin | Yes, but not by OS |
| 00:34.48 | Cope | intel chipset iirc |
| 00:34.54 | wethrin | Yus |
| 00:35.11 | wethrin | I've got one sitting here to take down to Mailbox with me |
| 00:35.19 | rhowe | If I could be bothered rebuilding the FreeBSD box, it'd be a spare Realtek card |
| 00:35.24 | wethrin | Better than this Realtek pile |
| 00:36.01 | rhowe | hm, I guess I could try a FreeBSD rebuild.. |
| 00:36.23 | wethrin | cvs -d anoncvs@cvs.freebsd.org...... :) |
| 00:36.34 | rhowe | Not quite that simple :) |
| 00:36.39 | Cope | why not? |
| 00:36.44 | rhowe | The box doesn't have enough disk space to hold sources and objects |
| 00:36.50 | wethrin | Hmm... |
| 00:37.03 | rhowe | So it's going to need an NFS mount, but the NIC is crappy and always causes NFS to timeout. Plus it's a slow Cyrix |
| 00:37.15 | Cope | gah cyrix |
| 00:37.24 | rhowe | (underclocked for stability/heat reasons) |
| 00:37.27 | wethrin | OpenBSD - 454M |
| 00:37.36 | rhowe | This is a PR150+ |
| 00:37.52 | rhowe | (should be clocked at 133, is clocked at 120). The box also has a mix of FPM and EDO RAM :) |
| 00:38.10 | wethrin | Well, I guess I can get away with 4 PCI slots and 3 ISA slots |
| 00:38.11 | Cope | wethrin: I never hear you mutter about netbsd - what's your not-so-humble opinion on that? |
| 00:38.27 | Cope | wethrin: sounds fine.. what's the drawback> |
| 00:38.42 | wethrin | I could do with one more PCI slot, just in case.... |
| 00:38.53 | wethrin | Although 4 is just about enough |
| 00:39.03 | Cope | wethrin: ok |
| 00:39.04 | wethrin | NetBSD.... |
| 00:39.12 | wethrin | I haven't used it for some time. |
| 00:39.20 | wethrin | It's a nice clean portable system |
| 00:39.39 | wethrin | I'd definitely use it on hardware for which I don't have the 'real' OS |
| 00:40.54 | wethrin | Me too |
| 00:41.00 | wethrin | There's lots of things I want :) |
| 00:41.12 | rhowe | Cope: I have (or had) a box of A3000 bits |
| 00:43.04 | Cope | I remember being blown away by one of my childhood heroes - we had an email conversation in which he decried x86 architecture, and swore to use only RISC-based machines; this was way back, and he was running bsd on his archimedes. |
| 00:43.30 | rhowe | Steve Furba(e?)r? :) |
| 00:43.39 | Cope | He said it was mega stable, and acceptably effiecient. |
| 00:43.41 | wethrin | Yes. I've sworn never to buy any more x86 hardware |
| 00:44.19 | wethrin | Which does make it a bit more difficult for me now, when the easiest for me would be to go out and buy a new ATX mobo+CPU |
| 00:44.22 | Cope | I plan to buy a shed load of old, reliable dells or compaqs and make a compiler farm |
| 00:44.42 | Cope | But other than that, I'm with you. |
| 00:44.46 | wethrin | But, dammit, it's worth a bit more hassle to not be on that damned upgrade cycle |
| 00:45.12 | wethrin | Reliable Dells/Compaqs == server systems. You do have a soundproof room? |
| 00:45.13 | Cope | wethrin: What's your !x86 philisophy, apart from macs |
| 00:45.29 | wethrin | WDYM? |
| 00:45.38 | Cope | wethrin: If I get this job, I'll devote a room to it! |
| 00:45.49 | Cope | I mean what hardware -will- you buy? |
| 00:46.05 | rhowe | Ah, mindless pop music... in Korean |
| 00:46.14 | Cope | Mmmm - korean. |
| 00:46.15 | rhowe | hrm, no, Japanese |
| 00:46.19 | Cope | Bah |
| 00:46.20 | rhowe | But sung by a Korean |
| 00:46.20 | wethrin | :) |
| 00:46.47 | wethrin | Ah. Buying will probably end up being Macs. Unless I can find cheap Sun/SGI/Alpha kit |
| 00:47.10 | Cope | Old macs? |
| 00:47.20 | wethrin | I have some - don't need more :) |
| 00:48.38 | wethrin | Silicon Graphics |
| 00:48.42 | Cope | Ah ok |
| 00:48.44 | rhowe | You don't know what SGI is?! |
| 00:48.49 | rhowe | Do you not run XFS? :) |
| 00:48.52 | wethrin | I've got a couple of early Alphas |
| 00:48.53 | Cope | Played with those at uni, they were sexy |
| 00:49.08 | Cope | XFS: as in journalling file system? |
| 00:49.14 | rhowe | SGI-XFS CVS-2003-05-24_05:00_UTC with ACLs, no debug enabled |
| 00:49.36 | rhowe | wethrin: Most probably, although it'll probably be v1 directories, which the Linux XFS code isn't so hot at, plus the page size may differ |
| 00:49.50 | wethrin | Yeh |
| 00:50.10 | wethrin | Actually, I want to do an Irix reinstall on the Indy - I've got a spare 2GB SCSI drive just for it :) |
| 00:50.18 | rhowe | Oh and if it's not unmounted cleanly, the Linux XFS code probably won't be able to read the log |
| 00:50.51 | Cope | wethrin: where did you get irix for this purpose? |
| 00:51.19 | wethrin | Cope: From a friend - he copied a copy of the CDs |
| 00:51.25 | wethrin | (fingers crossed they still work) |
| 00:51.29 | rhowe | Oh but go on, you know you want to run 400KiB of filesystem code in your kernel :) |
| 00:51.57 | wethrin | Bah. Monolithic kernels |
| 00:52.14 | rhowe | -rw-r--r-- 1 rhowe rhowe 611K 2003-12-21 16:01 xfs.ko |
| 00:53.05 | wethrin | My PDA is older than yours |
| 00:53.11 | rhowe | Mine cost less (free ;) |
| 00:54.16 | rhowe | hrm, to Morning Musume or to not Morning Musume |
| 00:54.38 | wethrin | Yes, but would it be *useful*? :") |
| 00:55.36 | Cope | Now don't get all functional on me, wethrin! |
| 00:55.47 | rhowe | wethrin: familiar is only barely useful. Linux with 32Mb of storage isn't fun |
| 00:55.56 | rhowe | wethrin: I'd need a HD to make proper use of it |
| 00:55.57 | Cope | I want a cshell and a compiler |
| 00:56.10 | wethrin | csh? Bad cope! |
| 00:56.34 | Cope | I want a kshell and a compiler |
| 00:56.45 | wethrin | That's better |
| 00:56.47 | rhowe | It's BoA on speed |
| 00:56.55 | wethrin | BoA? |
| 00:56.59 | rhowe | BoA |
| 00:57.01 | wethrin | BoA? |
| 00:57.04 | rhowe | BoA |
| 00:57.06 | wethrin | BoA? |
| 00:57.10 | Cope | Constrictor? |
| 00:57.11 | pawel | BoA! |
| 00:57.12 | pawel | :> |
| 00:57.16 | rhowe | I can see you'll need more explaination :) |
| 00:57.16 | wethrin | BoA?? |
| 00:57.25 | Cope | ibot google for BoA |
| 00:57.26 | wethrin | Yes. An expansion would be nice |
| 00:57.54 | rhowe | None of them are the right BoA :) |
| 00:58.01 | Cope | ibot boa |
| 00:58.03 | | Lightweight and High Performance WebServer. URL: http://www.boa.org/ |
| 00:58.03 | rhowe | boaweb is the homepage of the British group Boa |
| 00:58.17 | rhowe | http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa/ |
| 00:58.32 | rhowe | </flash-warning> |
| 00:58.36 | wethrin | Oh |
| 00:59.24 | Cope | ibot boa is also a British group called, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa </flash-warning> |
| 00:59.26 | | Cope: okay |
| 00:59.48 | wethrin | Right. It appears to be 1am again |
| 00:59.55 | Cope | indeed |
| 00:59.58 | wethrin | Just like it was 24 hours ago |
| 01:00.03 | Cope | ibot william |
| 01:00.06 | | from memory, william is probably either eating, or sleeping, or having his nappy changed, or bad at typing |
| 01:00.06 | wethrin | .oO(coincidence?) |
| 01:00.23 | rhowe | ibot Boa is a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/, and also a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:00.27 | | ...but boa is already something else... |
| 01:00.27 | rhowe | s'what it should be |
| 01:00.42 | Cope | ibot forget boa |
| 01:00.50 | rhowe | ibot Boa is a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/, and also a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:00.52 | | ...but boa is already something else... |
| 01:01.09 | rhowe | ibot Boa is a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/. BoA is a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:01.13 | | ...but boa is already something else... |
| 01:01.16 | wethrin | USe 'boa is also' |
| 01:01.17 | rhowe | pfeh |
| 01:01.28 | rhowe | ibot Boa is also a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/. BoA is a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:01.29 | | okay, rhowe |
| 01:01.29 | wethrin | ibot won't let you forget things that you haven't set |
| 01:01.31 | | wethrin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:01.35 | rhowe | ibot boa |
| 01:01.37 | | Lightweight and High Performance WebServer. URL: http://www.boa.org/, or a British group called, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa </flash-warning>, or a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/. BoA is a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:01.40 | Cope | ibot no, Boa is a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/, BoA is a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boo |
| 01:01.42 | | Cope: okay |
| 01:01.42 | wethrin | ibot fuck off |
| 01:01.46 | | ACTION humps off's leg in public |
| 01:01.46 | wethrin | :) |
| 01:02.11 | Cope | ibot boa |
| 01:02.13 | | boa is, like, a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/, BoA is a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan, both Korea and Japan, http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boo |
| 01:02.22 | wethrin | ibot cope |
| 01:02.24 | | it has been said that cope is always smiling at me when I say Hi, or the father of William, a geek in the making. |
| 01:02.25 | evangineer | wethrin: have you seen http://www.pegasosppc.com/tech_specs.php |
| 01:03.09 | wethrin | I have now |
| 01:03.16 | wethrin | Pity about the VIA Rhine and AC97 |
| 01:03.36 | wethrin | AND I DON'T WANT DEBIAN! ARGH! |
| 01:03.38 | Cope | ibot no, boa is a Lightweight and High Performance WebServer. URL: http://www.boa.org/ |
| 01:03.40 | | Cope: okay |
| 01:03.47 | wethrin | *cough* |
| 01:04.16 | Cope | ibot boa is also one of the more common galaxy class cruisers in Elite |
| 01:04.18 | | Cope: okay |
| 01:04.39 | Cope | ibot boa is also a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/ |
| 01:04.41 | | Cope: okay |
| 01:04.54 | evangineer | wethrin: I wouldn't run debian on it, I'd use rock linux powerppc port. |
| 01:05.01 | wethrin | Bleh |
| 01:05.09 | wethrin | Glutton for punishment |
| 01:05.23 | Cope | ibot boa is also a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan - http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:05.26 | | okay, Cope |
| 01:05.34 | evangineer | Well, you could run NetBSD on it. |
| 01:05.43 | wethrin | It's 'in development' |
| 01:05.59 | rhowe | heh, whoever thought three letters could create such confusion :) |
| 01:06.09 | evangineer | What the powerppc port? |
| 01:06.26 | wethrin | For that board specifically |
| 01:06.51 | wethrin | Anyway, for a challenge, I'd like to get NetBSD running on my Data General AViiON (m88k) |
| 01:07.00 | wethrin | There's the first stages of an m88k port |
| 01:07.14 | Cope | ibot boa |
| 01:07.16 | | it has been said that boa is a Lightweight and High Performance WebServer. URL: http://www.boa.org/, or one of the more common galaxy class cruisers in Elite, or a British group, found at http://www.boaweb.co.uk/, or a Korean pop star, famous in both Korea and Japan - http://www.avexnet.or.jp/boa |
| 01:07.17 | wethrin | But it's not even on the web page proper |
| 01:07.20 | wethrin | ibot netbsd |
| 01:07.24 | | hmm... netbsd is at http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcarm/ |
| 01:07.35 | wethrin | ibot whoset netbsd |
| 01:07.37 | | bugger all, i dunno, wethrin |
| 01:07.40 | wethrin | bah |
| 01:07.50 | wethrin | ibot change usd to gbp |
| 01:07.59 | wethrin | ibot change 1 usd to gbp |
| 01:08.18 | wethrin | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 01:08.50 | Cope | ibot no, NetBSD is a small, clean, *BSD, best know for its multiple ports to any architecture you can think of. |
| 01:08.52 | | okay, Cope |
| 01:08.52 | rhowe | ah, BoA - http://www.boa-kwon.com/boagallery/ |
| 01:08.59 | wethrin | Right. Sleeptime. |
| 01:09.00 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 01:10.10 | Cope | ibot whoset netbsd |
| 01:10.13 | | Cope: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 01:10.20 | Cope | ibot You suck |
| 01:10.24 | | :( |
| 01:13.44 | rhowe | Cope: You should see her dance :) |
| 01:14.36 | Cope | And you have? |
| 01:14.46 | rhowe | through the wonders of mplayer, sure |
| 01:15.07 | rhowe | I did /notice you a couple of URLs |
| 01:16.03 | evangineer | Cope: xine should do just as well. |
| 01:16.57 | evangineer | fair enough. |
| 01:17.09 | rhowe | hrm, so I can't torture you with Morning Musume videos |
| 01:18.40 | evangineer | That reminds me, I need to look into bitchx and gtkBitchX |
| 01:19.22 | rhowe | hrm, why all the milky-white liquid, I wonder |
| 01:19.56 | Cope | evangineer: irssi |
| 01:20.17 | rhowe | heh, Ayumi doesn't half look silly |
| 01:20.26 | evangineer | why irssi over bitchx? |
| 01:20.38 | rhowe | You have to ask? :) |
| 01:20.57 | rhowe | Wasn't bitchx intentionally backdoored by its author a few years ago? |
| 01:21.05 | evangineer | I've only been doing IRC for a few weeks! |
| 01:21.47 | rhowe | Even Sarah likes irssi |
| 01:21.54 | rhowe | (and she's an mIRC user) |
| 01:22.22 | evangineer | rhowe: the final insult! |
| 01:22.36 | rhowe | evangineer: She's seen the light now |
| 01:29.04 | evangineer | hmm - from a quick glance at the website, irssi seems to support a lot of the features I have gotten used to from using xchat. |
| 01:29.48 | rhowe | Yup, it's nice. Plus, there's xirssi if you really want a GUI IRC client |
| 01:30.49 | Cope | irssi is awesome - blows xchat out of the water imo |
| 01:31.34 | evangineer | xirssi - excellent. What I want is the IRC equivalent of the vim/gvim duality. |
| 01:31.44 | rhowe | hm, I really need a higher quality version of this video.. 640x480 minimum |
| 01:31.53 | Cope | s/irc/irssi |
| 01:32.04 | Cope | evangineer: xirssi isn't supported iirc |
| 01:32.17 | Cope | ie its not under active development |
| 01:32.50 | rhowe | Cope: Hrm, I thought that was irssi-gtk? |
| 01:33.34 | rhowe | Version: 0.99+cvs.20021222-2.1 |
| 01:33.40 | rhowe | Hrm, doesn't look that maintained to me :) |
| 01:34.17 | rhowe | o/~ jiiiiibuuuuunnn nooooo |
| 01:34.24 | rhowe | o/~ mooooonooooo saaaashiiiiiideee |
| 01:34.27 | Cope | But 0.99 will work, and all the plumbing should be there |
| 01:34.56 | rhowe | "The GTK and GNOME versions of irssi haven't been developed since early 2000, and currently lack much of irssi-text's functionality." |
| 01:35.31 | rhowe | heh, and the thing that every Jpop track seems to be required to have... a pointless guitar riff, slap bang in the middle |
| 01:35.57 | rhowe | Nothing illustrates this better than evolution by Hamasaki Ayumi |
| 01:36.30 | Cope | A Jpop star wrote a funk MUA? |
| 01:36.46 | Cope | Coool. |
| 01:37.17 | rhowe | avexnet.or.jp/ayu IIRC |
| 01:37.40 | rhowe | Or http://www.siksai.co.uk/hidden/00Japanese/Hamasaki%20Ayumi/ |
| 01:40.36 | Cope | http://www.avprof.com/Japan/Ayumi_Hamasaki/123.htm |
| 01:40.45 | rhowe | Anyone for food? :) |
| 01:40.57 | rhowe | Adult Video profiles? :P |
| 01:41.12 | rhowe | AV in Japan seems to have a rather comical double meaning :) |
| 01:41.30 | rhowe | Ah, Ayumi back when she was a swimsuit model |
| 01:41.34 | rhowe | That was quite a few years ago |
| 01:42.36 | rhowe | cantopoop or the mainland stuff? |
| 01:42.43 | rhowe | I wouldn't call myself an expert :) |
| 01:43.02 | Cope | All the songs have to form: |
| 01:43.50 | Cope | I fell in love with rhowe, he was amazing, but then he got run over by a bus, and now my heart is broken, and I'll never love anyone again (chorus) but the moon is shining and the starts are beautiful, but I am miserable |
| 01:44.07 | rhowe | haha |
| 01:44.24 | Cope | Plus rocky guitar solo in the middle |
| 01:44.33 | rhowe | Cope: Does your SO understand Mandarin? |
| 01:44.44 | Cope | Given that she is Chinese, one would hope so. |
| 01:44.55 | rhowe | Cope: Well she might only know Cantonese... |
| 01:45.00 | Cope | Hmm... |
| 01:45.14 | rhowe | But since you said Mandarin was good, I guess not :) |
| 01:45.28 | Cope | I'm a bit opinionated on the subject |
| 01:45.41 | Cope | Product of having mainland SO |
| 01:45.54 | rhowe | Well Sarah's from Hangzhou, sorta |
| 01:46.18 | Cope | I just think its like saying: does rhowe speak english? or cockney? |
| 01:47.12 | rhowe | It's a bit more polarised than cockney and english :) |
| 01:47.20 | rhowe | hence the need for two phrasebooks |
| 01:47.21 | Cope | Not as a $age |
| 01:47.31 | rhowe | No, but as a language |
| 01:47.39 | Cope | %age I mean |
| 01:47.58 | Cope | %age of people who speak cantonese is rather low out of the set: chinese |
| 01:48.17 | Cope | Geographical region likewise. |
| 01:48.29 | rhowe | Yes, but significant in the UK where a large proportion of the Chinese population is from Hong Kong |
| 01:48.35 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/leftrightdownup.mp3 |
| 01:48.49 | rhowe | Download that - see if she recognises it :) |
| 01:48.50 | Cope | Yeah, but I'm not talking about the UK, that's not representative |
| 01:49.18 | rhowe | Well I'm in the UK, you're in the UK and she's in the UK, which makes it quite likely she's from Hong Kong |
| 01:49.26 | Cope | Very fair point. |
| 01:49.30 | rhowe | Cope: *sigh* |
| 01:49.40 | Cope | But if I get the job... I'll have a laptop! |
| 01:50.09 | rhowe | sheer luck though, and they're not hiring any until I leave :P |
| 01:50.37 | rhowe | He is now my boss |
| 01:50.44 | rhowe | His wife is Japanese, actually |
| 01:50.44 | Cope | 2nd interview... yesterday was #1 |
| 01:51.00 | rhowe | Ah, this was my 2nd interview, and since I was the sole candidate, they offered me the job at the interview :) |
| 01:51.08 | rhowe | I started 2 weeks later |
| 01:51.14 | Cope | What do you do? |
| 01:51.25 | rhowe | "Assistant Network Administrator" |
| 01:51.28 | rhowe | PFY, basically |
| 01:51.29 | Cope | WOo |
| 01:51.47 | rhowe | I do all the work and $boss sits around getting quotes and talking to management :) |
| 01:52.15 | rhowe | Most Chinese people I know are pretty damn prejudiced against Japan |
| 01:52.21 | Cope | definitely |
| 01:52.21 | rhowe | And the Japanese |
| 01:52.26 | Cope | although kinda understandable |
| 01:52.30 | rhowe | Well yeah |
| 01:52.44 | rhowe | But still, oppressively so |
| 01:53.51 | Cope | I know the feeling; and the state education is somewhat indoctrinaire, which can make for hard work. |
| 01:54.15 | rhowe | I do have a very good book about the history of Hong Kong though |
| 01:54.29 | rhowe | Very much from the British perspective, but still good |
| 01:54.44 | rhowe | G B Endacott, "A History Of Hong Kong" |
| 01:54.50 | rhowe | National Trust 2nd hand bookshop :) |
| 01:55.09 | Cope | From the perspective of hating british imperialism |
| 01:55.12 | rhowe | More so than Hangzhou, I think |
| 01:55.42 | rhowe | Cope: Does Sophie not have MP3-playback capabilities? |
| 01:55.57 | rhowe | Not personally, I mean, but access to :) |
| 01:56.25 | Cope | If I want music, I have a 3000 pound turntable |
| 01:56.53 | Cope | If I want movies, I go to the cinema or watch a dvd |
| 01:57.20 | Cope | Plus my machines are pretty old, and I like minimalism. |
| 01:57.39 | rhowe | whoohoo |
| 01:57.42 | rhowe | I found the lyrics |
| 01:57.46 | rhowe | OK, Sarah's gonna get a suprise :P |
| 01:57.51 | Cope | But when I get another machine I'm going to make an mp3 server |
| 01:58.10 | rhowe | o/~ dui mian de nü hai kan guo lai kan guo lai kan guo lai zhe li de biao yan hen jing cai qing bu yao |
| 01:58.35 | Cope | hmmmm |
| 01:58.59 | rhowe | o/~ wo zuo kan you kan shang kan xia kan |
| 01:59.23 | rhowe | You should be able to understand that last one :) |
| 02:01.05 | Cope | Well... given that I can't see the things that say if its 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th kan could mean a number of things... |
| 02:03.54 | rhowe | this is kan as in to look |
| 02:03.59 | Cope | watch, look |
| 02:05.22 | Cope | .me shrugs... something about about going up and down |
| 02:06.42 | rhowe | i look left, look right, look up, look down |
| 02:06.58 | rhowe | accompanied with the appropriate head actions, it's the chorus of the song |
| 02:07.28 | Cope | ah! |
| 02:07.41 | rhowe | hehe |
| 02:09.03 | Cope | zou (3) is left, but could have been something else - eg its the verb to do |
| 02:09.13 | Cope | as in to make food |
| 02:09.21 | rhowe | *nod*, but in context... :) |
| 02:09.31 | Cope | I use it when Sophie's mum calls and she's cooking |
| 02:09.47 | Cope | zou fan - making food |
| 02:10.04 | rhowe | *nod* |
| 02:10.12 | rhowe | do rice :) |
| 02:10.45 | rhowe | Except Sarah can't cook, so it's always me doing the cooking :) |
| 02:10.46 | Cope | and shang is to be on - as in if your are on the bus |
| 02:11.06 | rhowe | Hrm, this reminds me.. time to get xcin working |
| 02:12.53 | Cope | shui jiao = sleep |
| 02:13.01 | rhowe | So I'm reading |
| 02:13.10 | rhowe | So, wa an would be the right thing to say |
| 02:13.23 | rhowe | Or, a Cantonese person might say "I'm going to meet chau gong" |
| 02:13.40 | rhowe | s/Cantonese/\1-speaking/ |
| 02:14.57 | Cope | Sophie is asleep at the top, where pillows go |
| 02:15.01 | rhowe | Setting up xml-core (0.04) ... |
| 02:15.01 | rhowe | update-xmlcatalog: error: entry already exists |
| 02:15.01 | rhowe | update-xmlcatalog: reading catalog data /var/lib/xml-core/xml-core |
| 02:15.04 | Cope | William is asleep in the middle |
| 02:15.10 | rhowe | William? |
| 02:15.15 | Cope | ibot william |
| 02:15.21 | | methinks william is probably either eating, or sleeping, or having his nappy changed, or bad at typing |
| 02:15.25 | rhowe | Ah |
| 02:15.40 | rhowe | we haven't done the marriage thing yet |
| 02:15.47 | Cope | smile |
| 02:15.54 | rhowe | Sarah's still at uni |
| 02:16.24 | rhowe | And doing pretty damn well... she's been told to apply for an award that only goes to 3 students in the whole of HK each year |
| 02:16.26 | Cope | Where's yifang from? |
| 02:16.30 | rhowe | Lifang? |
| 02:16.35 | Cope | nog |
| 02:17.19 | rhowe | Somewhere on the mainland, but I can't remember where. She spent some time living in Shanghai, but she's from somewhere with more of a taste in chilli than that (not Sichuan, AFAIK) |
| 02:17.19 | Cope | hunan? |
| 02:17.20 | rhowe | If Sarah gets this award, she'll be getting GBP 10,000 |
| 02:17.33 | rhowe | Maybe, I really can't remember where she said.. she just calls it "hometown" |
| 02:17.57 | Cope | Does she live in the UK? Or is she just visiting? |
| 02:18.38 | rhowe | Lifang? She's a student here, and so's her brother |
| 02:18.59 | rhowe | Been here 4 years now, I think, looking to get a job over here after her degree if possible |
| 02:19.14 | rhowe | Sarah, OTOH, is looking to finish her degree and get a job in HK |
| 02:19.25 | Cope | Hmmm |
| 02:19.40 | Cope | s/Sarah/Lifang? |
| 02:19.41 | rhowe | And since Sarah's my gf, and Lifang isn't, and isn't going to be, things are going to get expensive :) |
| 02:19.53 | rhowe | Sarah is Li Na, Rita is Huang Lifang |
| 02:20.08 | rhowe | Rita's bf is called Ashwin, Sarah's is called Russell :) |
| 02:20.55 | rhowe | Rita's a very good friend of mine though.. could be said too good a friend at times :) |
| 02:22.45 | rhowe | And no, s/Sarah/Lifang/ isn't going to happen |
| 02:23.06 | rhowe | Would be a nice bit of short-term fun, but nah, we just wouldn't make a good couple :) |
| 02:23.13 | rhowe | s/nice/very \1/ |
| 02:25.52 | rhowe | Anyway, that's sort of a current dilemma at the moment, and one that should be kept quiet |
| 02:26.22 | rhowe | Since I could quite easily be quite, quite dead in the water |
| 02:28.35 | rhowe | I guess this must be one of her early TV performances |
| 02:28.48 | rhowe | She looks remarkably short on plastic surgery in this one |
| 02:29.38 | rhowe | o/~ lasberry dreeeam |
| 02:29.48 | Cope | Ok |
| 02:29.52 | Cope | ----> bed |
| 02:29.54 | rhowe | heh |
| 02:29.55 | rhowe | 'night |
| 02:32.56 | rhowe | ooh, Claire's online |
| 02:33.17 | Cope | Who is Claire? |
| 02:34.56 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/gallery/linux/cjbranch |
| 02:35.13 | rhowe | She's always so busy working she never gets online - haven't seen her on in 4 months or os |
| 02:35.26 | rhowe | Married, lives in the US, works for the government making radiation detectors and the like |
| 02:36.47 | rhowe | Works at Los Alamos, no less |
| 02:37.01 | rhowe | Not exactly allowed to IRC from work like I can :) |
| 03:18.44 | rhowe | Cope: Sarah wants to see a photo of your kid :) |
| 03:18.50 | rhowe | sarah_nobodybutyou@yahoo.com |
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| 06:41.54 | Clyphox | moo |
| 06:43.40 | new2unix | moin |
| 06:51.53 | Clyphox | heya |
| 07:21.40 | Cope | maaa |
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| 07:22.47 | Cope | morning zachary |
| 07:26.24 | zachary | moin Cope |
| 07:32.23 | Clyphox | Greets |
| 07:32.31 | zachary | moin Clyphox |
| 07:32.44 | Clyphox | hopla zachary |
| 07:32.54 | Clyphox | I want a caffeine IV |
| 07:33.14 | Clyphox | but ah don't need it.. I'm a big boy |
| 07:33.17 | Clyphox | I can stay |
| 07:33.31 | Clyphox | ..awake... </yawn> |
| 07:33.39 | Cope | clyphox: fit like? |
| 07:33.41 | Clyphox | ...on..my o............ |
| 07:33.48 | Clyphox | yeah |
| 07:34.02 | Clyphox | just being a little insane |
| 07:34.08 | Clyphox | comes easy these days |
| 07:34.24 | Clyphox | hows the family? |
| 07:34.34 | Clyphox | (I like asking that =) ) |
| 07:35.21 | Cope | Good - William's decided he likes our bed, and is asleep in it, upside down; Sophie's making some food, and I'm waking up and organising myself for the day. |
| 07:35.40 | Cope | I like you asking that :o) |
| 07:36.19 | Clyphox | I once was excited to have kids.. can't imagine what its like |
| 07:36.43 | Clyphox | certainly enough to kick-start your motivation I'm sure |
| 07:37.00 | Clyphox | ohh its that interview today innit? |
| 07:37.29 | Cope | Its kinda surreal - I keep looking at this little bundle and thinking 'goodness - thats a baby human; and I helped make it' |
| 07:37.50 | Cope | Yeah, interview 2 today. |
| 07:38.17 | Clyphox | yeah man.. he's a part of j00 and vice-versa |
| 07:38.25 | Clyphox | ain't life fun sometimes =) |
| 07:38.43 | Cope | pretty mind-blowing |
| 07:39.42 | Clyphox | I bet you can't wait till he's a spotty teenager? |
| 07:46.26 | new2unix | and X is such a battery hog |
| 07:46.26 | Cope | To quote a friend of mine, Slackware owns. |
| 07:47.02 | Cope | X is eyecandy; how much of it do you actually need? |
| 07:47.45 | Cope | I'm happy with X on this machine, as I've got it lean and pretty, but on most machines I don't bother. |
| 07:48.38 | new2unix | X makes your box more approacable by the uninitiated |
| 07:49.05 | Cope | Not sure why I want the unititiated to approach my laptop. |
| 07:49.41 | new2unix | the family wouldnt touch a pc that had a "broken" mouse :) |
| 07:50.47 | Cope | All the more computers for me to play with! |
| 07:52.17 | new2unix | Cope: Goodluck with #2. |
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| 08:25.28 | Cope | woo mozrat |
| 08:25.49 | mozrat | Hi |
| 08:26.05 | Cope | Fidelity |
| 08:26.13 | mozrat | brb.... need coffee |
| 08:31.10 | mozrat | Better |
| 08:44.00 | zachary | Woof! |
| 08:44.20 | BobTheDog | indeed |
| 08:45.04 | mozrat | Miaow |
| 08:45.19 | BobTheDog | just don't say squirrel.... it drives my dogs nuts ;) |
| 08:45.20 | zachary | Bow wow, woof woof, grrrrr? |
| 08:52.17 | zachary | anyone using ipcop/smoothwall with a cable modem? |
| 08:54.15 | mozrat | I tried once with the cable modem BT provide, but went for an ethernet interface instead |
| 08:59.35 | mozrat | Would having lots of hidden fields in a HTML form generate acres of white space on the page?? |
| 09:00.49 | Cope | hidden field in tables? |
| 09:01.22 | mozrat | No.. I have <form> then the hidden fields and then the <table> |
| 09:05.43 | mozrat | Oh... today is the day, huh |
| 09:05.53 | Cope | yep |
| 09:14.09 | BobTheDog | mozrat - no, hidden form fields should not affect a page / table etc. |
| 09:14.17 | BobTheDog | they never have for me anyway |
| 09:14.22 | mozrat | The page is being printed out by a Python CGI script, so it may the snake to blame |
| 09:14.43 | Cope | hmm |
| 09:14.49 | Cope | Maybe, yeah. |
| 09:15.11 | mozrat | Duh.. easy way to test... call the page direct from disk without CGI.. hang on a mo |
| 09:15.13 | Cope | Well, if you're still having problems this evening, let me know.. I have to go and get a job now. |
| 09:15.14 | BobTheDog | there aren't any hidden characeters, or wrong quote matching up taking place? |
| 09:15.35 | mozrat | Cope: no stay... this is more important. The interviewer will understand |
| 09:15.56 | Cope | See you this evening. |
| 09:16.06 | mozrat | Hmm -- it's the CGI stuff doing it. If I call the page direct it is fine |
| 09:16.11 | mozrat | Good luck Cope |
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| 09:43.04 | ar | hi |
| 09:45.45 | anth_ | Hello |
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| 10:48.30 | pawel | yawn |
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| 10:49.10 | BobTheDog | how do you burn .nrg (nero images) under linux to dvd? |
| 10:49.23 | BobTheDog | especially when they don't mount as iso9660 over loopback |
| 10:50.12 | BobTheDog | and aside from that, who would I need to talk to if I wished to give a talk/presentation on ha clustering etc? |
| 10:50.33 | pawel | sorry, I haven't experience with this. |
| 10:51.51 | zachary_ver2 | BobTheDog, Send a proposal of what you would like to talk about to gllugadmin@gllug.org.uk. |
| 10:51.58 | BobTheDog | thanks |
| 10:52.24 | pawel | hi zachary. |
| 10:52.35 | mozrat | zachary_ver2: What are the benefits of Zachary version 2 over the original version. Any new features? |
| 10:53.04 | zachary_ver2 | that would be on my client side. Faster machine, larger display. :) |
| 10:55.14 | pawel | mozrat, bigest requirements |
| 10:55.17 | pawel | :> |
| 10:56.01 | pawel | ;-) |
| 11:14.50 | mozrat | Cope|afk: Back so soon |
| 11:15.21 | mozrat | Ahh |
| 11:19.21 | ar | any reccommendations on webmail providors? |
| 11:20.17 | Cope|afk | Other than setting it up yourself? |
| 11:20.52 | ar | i didn't really want the responsibility ;) |
| 11:23.23 | ar | it is the easiest solution, plenty of email addresses left :) |
| 11:23.30 | Cope|afk | I used myrealbox, which is a novell test-bed, but i think they are not accepting new testers any more; but you could look for something similar |
| 11:26.14 | ar | indeed they have stopped new sign-ups |
| 11:26.27 | ar | looks quite good mind |
| 11:28.15 | ar | heard of http://www.fastmail.fm/ before? |
| 11:32.54 | pawel | Cope|afk, . |
| 11:34.28 | pawel | ok, I will try again. |
| 11:35.54 | pawel | export HELLO=hi |
| 11:36.06 | pawel | echo $HELLO Cope|afk. |
| 11:38.50 | wethrin | 'lo |
| 11:39.11 | wethrin | Webmail? Other than Hotmail/Lycos?: ) |
| 11:41.00 | pawel | echo $HELLO wethrin. |
| 11:41.13 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:41.32 | wethrin | Bwah. Time to rip apart PCs again |
| 11:45.46 | wethrin | Urgh |
| 11:45.55 | Cope|afk | Quite |
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| 11:56.43 | Cope|afk | Hello anth_ |
| 11:59.22 | wethrin | Mmm. Tea. |
| 11:59.27 | wethrin | Hi anth_ |
| 12:02.15 | anth_ | Hello. Hows it going? |
| 12:04.48 | wethrin | Could be better. I'm currently ripping apart PCs |
| 12:06.35 | anth_ | Hence scraping off thermal gunge yesterday |
| 12:07.06 | wethrin | Yes. And putting some new stuff on. |
| 12:07.18 | wethrin | Then finding the CPU/motherboard is screwed anyway |
| 12:12.27 | anth_ | Makes a bit more sense now. I was struggling to think of a reason to take it off. |
| 12:16.42 | wethrin | Put a nice fresh bit of gunge on there |
| 12:17.15 | pawel | is there any official way to be member of GLLUG? |
| 12:18.06 | wethrin | Sign up to the mailing list |
| 12:18.26 | zachary | yea. show up at more than one meeting. |
| 12:18.36 | wethrin | And pubmeetings don't count :) |
| 12:18.48 | pawel | :-P |
| 12:19.08 | pawel | I will be on the meeting. |
| 12:19.15 | pawel | next meeting. |
| 12:19.29 | pawel | gosh, 9th day without coffee. |
| 12:19.48 | pawel | I'm not feeling good. |
| 12:20.29 | zachary | i think my heart would stop. |
| 12:23.58 | pawel | 24th Jan, date of the next meeting, nice. 25th will be my birthday. :-) |
| 12:24.24 | anth_ | Why don't pub meetings count? |
| 12:25.35 | anth_ | If Lonix had the same rule it wouldn't have any members |
| 12:25.45 | zachary | Pub meetings are just because some of need beer. |
| 12:26.12 | zachary | Lonix is not the same as GLLUG. |
| 12:27.06 | pawel | what is Lonix? Lo(don)(U)nix(User Group)? |
| 12:28.04 | zachary | brb |
| 12:28.32 | wethrin | Lonix is not Gllug :) |
| 12:28.53 | anth_ | But has almost the same people in it |
| 12:28.56 | wethrin | Officially Gllug is supposed to have speaker meetings. The pubmeets are informal things when we decide we want beer |
| 12:30.49 | anth_ | www.lonix.org.uk |
| 12:31.10 | wethrin | Lonix exists to provide locations for beer |
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| 12:34.47 | zachary | I wouldn't exactly call Lonix a "User Group." But rather a "*NIX, *BSD, *Linux social meeting to talk about current issues and bitch about MS. |
| 12:35.12 | zachary | imho |
| 12:37.02 | zachary | wethrin: Lapi should be ariving soon :-) |
| 12:45.22 | wethrin | cool :) |
| 12:50.04 | zachary | parts are starting to arive(psu and case). |
| 12:51.45 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:52.52 | wethrin | ARGH. |
| 12:52.56 | wethrin | My memory is too tall |
| 12:59.31 | zachary | grind it down then! |
| 13:01.41 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:14.32 | wethrin | Right. That's fixed now |
| 13:18.28 | anth_ | What will you do with the memory dust left over from the grinding? |
| 13:20.26 | wethrin | Sell it on eBay ;-) |
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| 13:25.37 | formi | hello |
| 13:25.45 | mozrat | formi: hello |
| 13:26.32 | formi | has anybody seen murble lately? |
| 13:27.52 | Tarragon | He was on here yesterday I think talking about SATA |
| 13:28.58 | formi | im just trying to find if he´s annoyed with me |
| 13:31.12 | wethrin | formi: He's in Germany still, I think |
| 13:34.11 | formi | well ill be back on saturday |
| 13:36.46 | formi | does anybody now where i can check/buy a .no domain? |
| 13:37.29 | wethrin | www.nic.no ? |
| 13:37.30 | nasrat | norid.no - whois.norid.no |
| 13:37.42 | wethrin | Although I don't think you can buy .no domains - they're controlled by the government |
| 13:43.45 | formi | some multinational wants to build a cement plant 2km from home |
| 13:44.03 | formi | and cement.no would be nice |
| 13:44.22 | formi | or cemento.no even better |
| 13:47.29 | wethrin | :) |
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| 13:53.01 | formi | it´s unbelievable, our coast is thousands of miles long, and where do they want it built, in a highly populated area where a lot of people depend on fishing in the bay |
| 13:56.10 | rhowe | +ie |
| 13:56.21 | rhowe | hrm, repaint problems |
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| 15:05.30 | Jenson | heya |
| 15:05.39 | pawel | hi. |
| 15:05.55 | Jenson | hi |
| 15:14.14 | Jenson | cya |
| 15:15.58 | Leeds | halloo |
| 15:31.13 | wethrin | hello |
| 15:41.24 | rhowe | whee, Lifang's on her way to London |
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| 16:00.14 | rhowe | o/~ I want a girl with a short skirt and a looooong jacket |
| 16:02.20 | Leeds | you're planning to borrow her pen? |
| 16:02.31 | Leeds | (or is it the other way around?) |
| 16:03.03 | Leeds | mmmm.... Cake :-) |
| 16:04.03 | rhowe | o/~ well a lot of good caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars are japanese |
| 16:04.49 | Leeds | but they've got seatbelts and buckets seats and stuff in the way :-( |
| 16:06.46 | rhowe | o/~ Last night we slept on the lawn / You woke up and I was gone / Back to the dream I dream to leave |
| 16:07.03 | Leeds | dunno that one |
| 16:07.35 | rhowe | http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/B/Barenaked%20Ladies/Barenaked%20Ladies%20-%20Alternative%20Girlfriend%20lyrics.htm |
| 16:08.17 | rhowe | o/~ My life with her is a bore / A worn - out metaphor / No more surprises up its sleeve / We're old at being youg, young at being old |
| 16:08.35 | rhowe | MP3s at work++ |
| 16:10.38 | rhowe | o/~ you can be my Yoko Ono / You can follow me wherever I go / Be my, be my, be my Yoko Ono. |
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| 16:12.35 | rhowe | o/~ Be my yoko Ono, oh no, here we go, our life is one big pun |
| 16:13.41 | rhowe | hrm, I should rip my BNL CDs and add them into the collection |
| 16:18.55 | pawel | :-/ |
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| 16:26.32 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/wedding1-small.jpg |
| 16:26.34 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/wedding2-small.jpg |
| 16:30.13 | mozrat | rhowe: Nice photos! |
| 16:31.51 | rhowe | mozrat: Not of me though :) |
| 16:32.05 | mozrat | rhowe: Oh... Who? |
| 16:33.08 | rhowe | The girl with the Gucci bag is my gf, Sarah. The girl in the wedding dress was one of her teachers |
| 16:34.27 | mozrat | One of her teachers????? |
| 16:34.34 | rhowe | yeah |
| 16:34.41 | wethrin | Teachers can get married :) |
| 16:35.12 | mozrat | :-) What does she teach (I'm guessing not school) |
| 16:37.42 | rhowe | Oh and the guy is apparently called Penny |
| 16:37.51 | rhowe | She's a secondary school teacher I think |
| 16:40.36 | mozrat | Cool |
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| 17:54.52 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 17:56.19 | Leeds | # See my vest, see my vest, made from real gorilla chest |
| 17:57.31 | Leeds | Simpsons quote :-) |
| 17:57.54 | jason_ukfsn | ah. I remain largely ignorant of Simpsons dialog |
| 17:58.05 | Leeds | bad bad man |
| 17:58.19 | jason_ukfsn | I take it that's another one? |
| 17:58.45 | Leeds | no, just my response to you... |
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| 17:59.59 | Leeds | could be worse... they're arm-wrestling over on #handhelds.org :-) |
| 18:02.35 | jason_ukfsn | oh dear. |
| 18:02.43 | jason_ukfsn | I've been having more car trouble. |
| 18:02.50 | Leeds | oh dear :-( |
| 18:02.51 | jason_ukfsn | Some scrote tried to nick my car on Monday |
| 18:03.00 | Leeds | oh dear oh dear |
| 18:03.34 | jason_ukfsn | even worse - the bugger failed and I now have a car with barely working door locks and a disconnected ignition under the steering wheel (which makes starting it interesting) |
| 18:04.38 | Leeds | oh dear oh dear oh dear |
| 18:05.38 | jason_ukfsn | it should be fairly easy to fix the ignition however the door locks now need to be replaced now. |
| 18:05.52 | jason_ukfsn | this is on top of the carb needing to be cleaned/retuned |
| 18:09.17 | wethrin | ARM wrestling? |
| 18:09.37 | Leeds | heh |
| 18:11.36 | pawel | a = oh dear |
| 18:11.41 | pawel | a = a + 1 |
| 18:11.54 | wethrin | Surely a = a.a :) |
| 18:12.38 | jason_ukfsn | no wethrin is should be a = a . ', ' . a; |
| 18:12.48 | wethrin | Well, yes |
| 18:13.03 | wethrin | Or a.", ".a |
| 18:13.16 | jason_ukfsn | notice the introduction of good punctuation |
| 18:13.20 | jason_ukfsn | </pedant> |
| 18:14.09 | jason_ukfsn | of course it may be appropriate to amend this slightly to: |
| 18:19.21 | wethrin | A$="Oh dear" |
| 18:19.27 | wethrin | A$ = A$ + ", " + A$ |
| 18:20.19 | Leeds | 30 print A$ |
| 18:20.26 | Leeds | 40 goto 20 |
| 18:21.00 | jason_ukfsn | but then you are capitalising incorrectly. You only want to uc() the first character in the first a |
| 18:21.45 | wethrin | A$ = A$ + ", " + LCASE$(A$) |
| 18:21.55 | wethrin | 10 A$ = "Oh dear" |
| 18:22.08 | wethrin | 20 PRINT A$ + ", " ; |
| 18:22.21 | wethrin | 30 PRINT LCASE$(A$) + ", "; |
| 18:22.23 | wethrin | 40 GOTO 30 |
| 18:22.44 | jason_ukfsn | you'll always have an invalid comma at the end |
| 18:23.00 | wethrin | There's no getting out of that one, though :) |
| 18:23.05 | wethrin | No neat exit, anyway |
| 18:23.25 | Leeds | the regular email updates from the Beagle 2 team are getting shorter and glummer... you'd almost think they might have given up hope :-( |
| 18:23.27 | jason_ukfsn | you could code a break statement into the loop |
| 18:24.16 | jason_ukfsn | it will turn out that Beagle 2 did discover marian life but was too busy humping it's leg to remember to turn on it's comm systems |
| 18:24.16 | wethrin | Yes |
| 18:24.38 | jason_ukfsn | s/marian/martian/ |
| 18:31.03 | Leeds | anyone want a job at Nullsoft? http://www.winamp.com/about/jobs.php |
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| 18:48.35 | wethrin | Tum-te-tum. Win2k SP4 takes its time to download |
| 19:15.21 | Leeds | apparently students of theirs worked on the image compression for the US Mars rovers... |
| 19:15.47 | wethrin | The working or non-working rovers? :) |
| 19:18.17 | Leeds | working |
| 19:20.00 | wethrin | Well, that's been about 30 minutes of installing SP4 |
| 19:22.25 | wethrin | Ah.Done. Just needs a reboot |
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| 19:27.13 | *** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk) |
| 19:27.24 | Cope | Hello |
| 19:27.29 | wethrin | hi |
| 19:27.36 | wethrin | Subscribe to the new Gllug social list |
| 19:27.58 | wethrin | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social |
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| 19:30.15 | cozmonort | hello |
| 19:30.18 | wethrin | hi |
| 19:30.39 | cozmonort | hi wethrin |
| 19:30.49 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:30.50 | Tarragon | Is the new list to discuss emergency pub meets or just OT chat? |
| 19:30.51 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 19:30.59 | wethrin | Emergency pub meets |
| 19:31.06 | wethrin | And other social things. Not for OT chat :) |
| 19:31.28 | wethrin | back later |
| 19:31.30 | Tarragon | OK I will not join. Bit far |
| 19:35.55 | jason_ukfsn | hi Cope |
| 19:36.00 | Cope | Hello jason! |
| 19:42.01 | Cope | jason_ukfsn I believe so; My friend my have one I can borrow - I'll ask him this evening and let you know. |
| 19:42.06 | Cope | hmm |
| 19:57.20 | wethrin | Tarragon: What? We're not worth your presence? :) |
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| 20:00.40 | Cope | Hi Xiaoqi |
| 20:02.46 | Xiaoqi | hi Cope |
| 20:09.44 | *** part/#gllug Clyphox (~clyphox@82-35-127-97.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:20.04 | Cope | Ok, trying to stop mail notifications on my console; set MAILCHECK=0 but still getting them; any other tricks? |
| 20:20.19 | wethrin | man biff ? |
| 20:20.55 | Cope | Or even just that it might be biff that's doing it? |
| 20:21.09 | wethrin | biff n |
| 20:21.21 | Cope | yeah saw that |
| 20:21.29 | Cope | I didn't know what biff was... |
| 20:21.38 | wethrin | It's a mail notified |
| 20:21.40 | wethrin | *notifier |
| 20:21.47 | Cope | No shit? |
| 20:21.53 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:23.17 | Cope | I feel so drained and without focus... |
| 20:23.29 | wethrin | Wear glasses |
| 20:23.43 | wethrin | Ah. Change them? :) |
| 20:24.12 | Cope | Post-interview blues... won't hear anything till mon/tues |
| 20:24.39 | wethrin | Ah |
| 20:24.48 | wethrin | Well, come to London.pm pubmeet tomorrow |
| 20:25.00 | Cope | Of FFS!! |
| 20:25.06 | Cope | biff is set n |
| 20:25.15 | Cope | And I -still- get the sodding notifications! |
| 20:25.41 | wethrin | what about the MAIL environment variable? |
| 20:26.08 | Cope | Could be that biff wasn't set no in the other terminal. |
| 20:26.19 | Cope | And I haven't changed any files yet. |
| 20:26.29 | wethrin | Ah |
| 20:26.31 | Cope | But I've set biff n there too, so lets see. |
| 20:27.50 | wethrin | BitchX is not particularly nice. |
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| 20:28.00 | wethrin | It's okay if you're only on one channel |
| 20:28.08 | cozmonort | back, computer was being a bastard |
| 20:28.12 | Cope | Yeah, haven't added any more channels yet, |
| 20:28.28 | wethrin | heh |
| 20:28.54 | Cope | Yeah, that sucks |
| 20:37.50 | Cope | behold |
| 20:38.09 | Cope | a nasrat... |
| 20:38.10 | Cope | Hello |
| 20:38.14 | wethrin | It's a nasrat |
| 20:38.58 | nasrat | indeed |
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| 20:42.06 | mozrat | Cope: ping |
| 20:42.19 | Cope | mozrat: packet filtered |
| 20:42.27 | mozrat | Cope: Spoilsport |
| 20:42.39 | mozrat | Cope: any good news to report? |
| 20:43.25 | Cope | Well... the good news is that I think the interview went really well; the bad news is that they don't make the decision; they feed back to the first guy, and he's away till Monday. |
| 20:43.48 | mozrat | Well thats not bad news then! |
| 20:45.02 | Cope | No... I just feel exhausted and a bit impatient. |
| 20:45.25 | mozrat | I found out why my CGI script was fscking up my HTML form.... |
| 20:46.37 | mozrat | All of the <head> tags and the hidden elements of the form were being hidden from the browser (as they should) but the new lines characters '\n' were being passed to the browser |
| 20:46.51 | Cope | mozrat: ahh |
| 20:47.18 | mozrat | so I think I may need to read the HTML page out one line at a time and do the Python equivilient of a perl chomp() for each line |
| 20:47.55 | mozrat | Any here know what that would be for Python???? |
| 20:48.16 | mozrat | I guess var[:-1] |
| 20:49.51 | wethrin | shell(perl -e chomp()) |
| 20:49.52 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:50.31 | mozrat | wethrin: is it bad practice to mix and match languages in a script?? |
| 20:50.45 | wethrin | Of course. This is why it should be done :) |
| 20:50.52 | mozrat | :-)) |
| 20:50.55 | wethrin | For bonus points, CGI-FORTRAN |
| 20:55.45 | murble | good evening!1 |
| 20:56.23 | wethrin | murb! |
| 20:56.33 | wethrin | London.pm tomorrow? |
| 20:57.04 | murble | i land at STN at 1950 or somthing. |
| 20:57.15 | mozrat | wethrin|Cope: ah ha... someones written a Python version of chomp() that I can use.. Success looms |
| 20:57.23 | murble | asumming i don't miss it |
| 20:57.33 | wethrin | murble: So you should be able to get to central London by about 9pm :) |
| 20:58.07 | mozrat | > def chomp(s): |
| 20:58.07 | mozrat | > if s[-1:]=='\n': return s[:-1] |
| 20:58.07 | mozrat | > else: return s |
| 20:59.15 | murble | wethrin: with a ruck sack, big sports bag and a sleeping bag |
| 20:59.25 | murble | (assuming i managed to fit everything back intot that space) |
| 20:59.29 | wethrin | Yes |
| 21:01.02 | murble | i don't know about the stansted london bit. |
| 21:01.08 | wethrin | Train |
| 21:01.09 | murble | would bit be cheaper than stansted wycombe |
| 21:01.18 | murble | wethrin: isn't that funnily expensive in an unfouny way? |
| 21:01.27 | murble | isn't the express like 20 quid to liverpool street? |
| 21:02.43 | JD | HIGNFY :) |
| 21:02.55 | murble | bother |
| 21:03.16 | murble | on a wednesday? |
| 21:03.22 | JD | uk gold |
| 21:03.27 | murble | oh. |
| 21:03.36 | murble | can't get that here very easily. |
| 21:04.17 | JD | can't get it here without selling your soul |
| 21:05.20 | murble | to mr murdock? |
| 21:08.03 | wethrin | murble: Not sure |
| 21:13.25 | wethrin | And JD |
| 21:14.47 | murble | where are people staying for fosdem? |
| 21:14.57 | murble | (assuming they are going etc..) |
| 21:15.06 | wethrin | SpudULike is trying to get people to stay in the Youth Hostel |
| 21:16.22 | wethrin | So.....go up Friday morning, come back Sunday evening? |
| 21:18.42 | JD | I can't get the day off work :( |
| 21:19.17 | Tarragon | Ouch |
| 21:19.42 | JD | looks like I will be meeting you in the pub |
| 21:20.24 | Tarragon | I am down for the Youth Hostel, but may take the EuroStar about 3pm on the Friday |
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| 21:20.47 | JD | ooh a cupis |
| 21:20.50 | JD | good timing |
| 21:20.54 | JD | cupis: fosdemming? |
| 21:20.54 | cupis | It certainly is. |
| 21:21.00 | cupis | Hmm, not sure yet. |
| 21:21.11 | cupis | I keep meaning to have a look . |
| 21:21.29 | JD | cupis: not sure if I can get the day off, so I may be going on Friday night |
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| 21:21.57 | Cope | lo mozrat |
| 21:24.26 | SpudULike | wiki.gllug.org.uk has some stuff about doing FOSDEM on a budget. |
| 21:25.41 | wethrin | Hm.. Anyone taking Eurostar on Friday morning? |
| 21:26.34 | JD | I was going to, but if I can't get the day off then I will have ot go in the evening |
| 21:27.52 | Cope | SpudULike: good budget plans! |
| 21:29.54 | SpudULike | Hmm, yeah. Can't help those with parental prioritories though! ;-) |
| 21:30.24 | Cope | lol - I'm getting used to being unable to do anything at all. |
| 21:32.24 | mozrat | lo Cope |
| 21:37.27 | SpudULike | In fact, use the wiki to co-ordinate Eurostar travel too. |
| 21:37.59 | wethrin | This requires more effort than the mailing list |
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| 21:41.00 | mozrat | Cope: which os? |
| 21:41.01 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:41.41 | Cope | mozrat: just linux; binaries are built against the wrong perl version, so built it myself. |
| 21:41.55 | Cope | Just very slow on the old old machine. |
| 21:41.57 | mozrat | slackware? |
| 21:42.03 | Cope | Of course :o) |
| 21:43.22 | Cope | sorry - the compile was slow, the application is fine. |
| 21:49.37 | wethrin | Seen it :) |
| 21:56.29 | rhowe | Like a damn sauna in here |
| 21:57.23 | Cope | Ni hao |
| 21:57.31 | rhowe | yeah yeah hi :) |
| 21:57.36 | Cope | :-P |
| 21:57.41 | rhowe | (badly :) |
| 21:58.05 | rhowe | Since I 1) Can't sing, 2) Don't know Mandarin |
| 21:58.06 | rhowe | Oh and 3) Can't sing |
| 21:58.52 | rhowe | 3) is very important and can cause severe trauma if forgotten |
| 22:01.08 | rhowe | Plus, Sarah wouldn't like it of course |
| 22:01.12 | rhowe | Mustn't forget that one |
| 22:01.31 | Cope | Possessive, is she? |
| 22:01.59 | rhowe | No, but I don't think she'd much like me fraternising with my Chinese friends when she's not here :) |
| 22:02.15 | Cope | I see. |
| 22:03.51 | rhowe | heh, this song reminds me of the time I made Sarah cry by singing :P |
| 22:04.01 | rhowe | It was one of the tracks from this album |
| 22:04.52 | Cope | cry with joy? embarrasment? emotion? |
| 22:06.30 | rhowe | Ah yes, this was the track |
| 22:06.35 | rhowe | Can't remember any of the lyrics any more though |
| 22:06.42 | rhowe | emotion (I hope :) |
| 22:06.48 | rhowe | Either that, or pain :P |
| 22:07.01 | wethrin | Grumpf. /me takes one of the servers out of the backup mail servers |
| 22:07.16 | rhowe | hrm, backup mail servers.. |
| 22:07.21 | rhowe | I should probably have one of those |
| 22:07.33 | wethrin | I can do it for you if you want |
| 22:07.58 | rhowe | No need yet - Nildram still have tcp/25 closed off for me |
| 22:09.03 | Cope | ibot nildram |
| 22:09.06 | | i haven't a clue, Cope |
| 22:09.11 | rhowe | OK, looks like tonight is build FreeBSD RELENG4_9 night |
| 22:09.23 | Cope | Oooh! |
| 22:09.27 | wethrin | Joy. I've installed JDK on Windows today |
| 22:09.28 | rhowe | ibot Nildram is a good, but !cheap ISP |
| 22:09.30 | | rhowe: okay |
| 22:09.42 | rhowe | ibot: Nildram is also found at http://www.nildram.net/ |
| 22:09.44 | | rhowe: okay |
| 22:09.49 | rhowe | ibot Nildram |
| 22:09.51 | | nildram is probably a good, but !cheap ISP, or found at http://www.nildram.net/ |
| 22:10.19 | Cope | ibot demon |
| 22:10.23 | | methinks demon is one of the oldest and wisest of all ISP's, and deserves respect. They also do a mean DSL service. :) |
| 22:10.48 | wethrin | ISP's what? |
| 22:11.41 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:11.44 | Cope | luxury |
| 22:11.52 | wethrin | "Show clue by whistling at 300baud down the telephone line" |
| 22:12.57 | rhowe | Then again, I was using Compuserve then |
| 22:14.15 | wethrin | Hm. 11 seconds for disks to spin down |
| 22:14.57 | Cope | willizsm isz impropvginjg |
| 22:15.24 | Cope | He's getting the idea of using a finger, not a hand |
| 22:16.07 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:16.35 | Cope | cat /etc/services | grep hand |
| 22:17.02 | rhowe | or just grep hand /etc/services :P |
| 22:17.32 | wethrin | Gratuitous use of cat... |
| 22:17.48 | rhowe | nekophile |
| 22:18.04 | Cope | ---> change nappy |
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| 22:23.35 | Cope | relo mozrat |
| 22:23.49 | mozrat | Yip Yip |
| 22:25.38 | mozrat | wethrin: social list?? |
| 22:25.39 | Cope | sling++ |
| 22:26.24 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 22:26.26 | wethrin | Just been set up |
| 22:26.59 | mozrat | Where, why, when, how, |
| 22:31.53 | Cope | lists.gllug.org.uk; to facilitate discussion and organisation of social events; today; presumably using majordomo or a python varient thereof, judging my the webpage. |
| 22:32.06 | wethrin | Mailman |
| 22:32.23 | Cope | Mailman == python variant of majordomo? |
| 22:33.04 | wethrin | Mailman is a GNU mailing list manager |
| 22:35.26 | Cope | ibot mailman |
| 22:35.27 | | Mailing list manager with built in web access. URL: http://www.list.org/ |
| 22:36.12 | mozrat | I use mailman for a client of mine, and I'm rather fond of it: BTW I've subscribed now! |
| 22:36.27 | Cope | woo |
| 22:41.19 | wethrin | Seen :) |
| 22:41.21 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 22:43.38 | mozrat | Mrs mozrat informs me that her bus fair into town has risen from 70p to £1 -- a 42% increase. Mentally preparing letter to Bus company |
| 22:44.35 | mozrat | If the service was worth a pound (or even the 70p) I wouldn't mind so much |
| 22:45.28 | wethrin | Walk? |
| 22:46.41 | mozrat | My sons toddling at the moment.. the bus is a little kinder to both of them |
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| 22:47.07 | Cope | Yes, I also noted the 42%% fare rise. |
| 22:47.18 | Marios_ | hello people |
| 22:47.24 | Cope | hello Marios_ |
| 22:47.33 | wethrin | hi Marios_ |
| 22:47.37 | mozrat | Hello Marios_: Which side of the pond are you now? |
| 22:47.41 | wethrin | You back on the wrong side of the pond? |
| 22:47.53 | Marios_ | just reached back in America |
| 22:48.16 | Marios_ | :) |
| 22:48.29 | Marios_ | but it was an awesome trip... |
| 22:48.30 | mozrat | Did you notice any heavily armed sky marshals on your flight? |
| 22:49.07 | Marios_ | yeah there was one with a portable mortar ;) |
| 22:49.47 | Marios_ | the flight went smooth....the funny thing....when I arrived in Chicago the new immigration software crashed |
| 22:50.05 | Marios_ | so nobody will enter US..even those with US passports |
| 22:50.20 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:50.25 | Marios_ | and I stayed there for 2-3 hours |
| 22:50.38 | wethrin | Well, surely it's only terrorists who want to enter the US now? :) |
| 22:50.49 | Marios_ | waiting for the program to work |
| 22:51.10 | Cope | Interviewer today said: You'll spend lots of time benching redhat boxes, 'cos they chew up memory and it vanishes up their arses. |
| 22:51.20 | Marios_ | yeah all of us are terrorists |
| 22:51.48 | wethrin | Benching? Dropping them from a great height onto a bench? |
| 22:51.53 | wethrin | Or only feeling that way? |
| 22:52.33 | Cope | Can someone try to ping 213.106.100.220 ? |
| 22:53.10 | Marios_ | it is responding fine |
| 22:53.40 | Cope | Hmm - what do you get if you try to ssh to it? |
| 22:54.05 | rhowe | mozrat: Would Mrs mozrat have written in to Metro about this, perchance? |
| 22:54.23 | rhowe | mozrat: 'cause someone did, using pretty similar wording :) |
| 22:54.37 | Cope | rhowe: I think its a well vocalised opinion |
| 22:54.59 | mozrat | rhowe: Nope1 |
| 22:55.07 | mozrat | ! |
| 22:55.33 | rhowe | mozrat: Ah |
| 22:56.05 | Cope | Are you using it? |
| 22:56.09 | rhowe | Sure, daily |
| 22:56.15 | Cope | Ideal |
| 22:56.30 | evangineer | Cope: not getting a response from the ip address you gave. |
| 22:57.07 | Cope | Nor me. |
| 22:57.07 | Cope | Hmm. |
| 22:57.07 | wethrin | Nope |
| 22:57.07 | Cope | evangineer: Hi! :o) |
| 22:57.07 | evangineer | Hi Cope! |
| 22:57.07 | evangineer | Hi peeps! |
| 22:58.01 | Cope | Hmm; can telnet to 80 |
| 22:58.19 | evangineer | Is sshd running? |
| 22:59.04 | wethrin | If it wasn't, you'd get a connection refused |
| 22:59.51 | Cope | evangineer: I can't get into the box to find out what's wrong. |
| 23:01.30 | evangineer | Cope: Is there any way you can get someone local to the box to look at it or reboot it as neceesary? |
| 23:01.40 | Cope | So 1214 and 6346 are the only open ports, says nmap |
| 23:02.30 | Cope | yep, webpage is down too. |
| 23:03.40 | Cope | evangineer: It would mean a phone call; Its not critical, I just noticed it not responding; someone will do something soon. |
| 23:03.55 | wethrin | Everyone's servers are dying? |
| 23:04.15 | Cope | x86 hardware-- |
| 23:05.22 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:05.28 | wethrin | Cope: I agree completely |
| 23:05.36 | wethrin | This is why I'm cutting down a lot |
| 23:05.42 | Cope | Maybe FreeBSD nicked Slackware's /etc/services ? |
| 23:05.50 | wethrin | unlikely |
| 23:05.55 | Cope | Highly. |
| 23:06.27 | Cope | wethrin: Can you think of any commercial bsd (ie !SysV) unixes still around? |
| 23:06.43 | wethrin | Hm. Solaris went to SysV some time ago |
| 23:06.50 | Cope | Indeed. |
| 23:06.54 | wethrin | OTTOMH, no |
| 23:07.14 | Cope | Nor I, but figured the TOYH might have more information than mine. |
| 23:07.51 | wethrin | I'll have to check Irix |
| 23:09.26 | wethrin | Right. Trigger happy TV time |
| 23:11.03 | Cope | Irix - based mostly on SysV release 2 but has inherited several of its features from BSD releases. |
| 23:15.07 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (~simon@host81-130-178-87.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:15.50 | Cope | When M$ bought hotmail it was run on Solaris; M$ migrated it to NT but NT couldn't cope, so they went back to Solaris! It's still run on Solaris. |
| 23:15.54 | mozrat | Hmm Xchat bombed out there for a sec |
| 23:20.12 | mozrat | ping |
| 23:20.17 | Cope | gnip |
| 23:20.24 | mozrat | cool |
| 23:32.57 | evangineer | According to this http://www.securityoffice.net/mssecrets/hotmail.html, Hotmail uses/used FreeBSD on the front end webservers and Solaris on the backend handling the mail and user data. |
| 23:33.05 | rhowe | Cope: I thought they just beefed up the servers majorly and ran it on Windows but on servers that cost many times more? |
| 23:42.14 | rhowe | finally, I can open the window and let out all this damn heat |
| 23:43.22 | rhowe | hm, tea.. hm |
| 23:43.23 | rhowe | no |
| 23:44.46 | rhowe | *sigh*, guys really are suckers |
| 23:45.16 | Cope | Either that or girls are manipulators. |
| 23:46.09 | evangineer | That is not necessarily an either/or situation, more likely an and/or. |
| 23:47.48 | rhowe | hrm, in this case, it's me being a sucker :) |
| 23:50.40 | wethrin | Microsoft tried moving the whole lot of Hotmail over to Windows, but failed miserably. So they contented themselves with running the backend on FreeBSD and the frontend on Wni2k |
| 23:50.44 | wethrin | *Win2k |
| 23:51.43 | rhowe | Ah |
| 23:51.53 | rhowe | 23:50 -!- Threnody [~threnody@coro.users.undernet.org] has joined #IPsex |
| 23:51.53 | rhowe | 23:50 < Threnody> talk dirty to my bits! |
| 23:51.53 | rhowe | 23:51 -!- Threnody [~threnody@coro.users.undernet.org] has left #IPsex [] |
| 23:52.06 | Cope | Thanks for that. |
| 23:52.16 | rhowe | np :) |
| 23:52.41 | rhowe | #IPsex is my channel on Undernet, for when #ipsec just gets too much |
| 23:53.01 | wethrin | Heh |
| 23:53.18 | Cope | wethrin: Should I have a dedicated firewall, and a box behind the firewall that routes between internal and external DMZ or just use the firewall? |
| 23:53.29 | wethrin | Yes |
| 23:53.34 | Cope | Thank you. |
| 23:53.39 | wethrin | :) |
| 23:53.44 | Cope | ibot lart wethrin |
| 23:53.49 | wethrin | Depends how many boxes you feel like running |
| 23:54.22 | wethrin | If you want to cut down on noise and electricity bills, do it all on one |
| 23:54.35 | wethrin | Traditional thinking dictates one service per server |
| 23:57.46 | Cope | 7 in total, including laptop |
| 23:58.14 | rhowe | *cough*UML*cough* |
| 23:58.39 | mozrat | night peeps |
| 23:58.45 | Cope | nn mozrat |
