| 00:04.08 | highbury | mozrat, there is Internet access! |
| 00:04.47 | highbury | oh, wireless, sorry |
| 00:05.35 | Leeds | plus he left 6 minutes ago :-) |
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| 00:47.17 | formi | allo |
| 00:55.17 | Marios_ | hello formi |
| 00:55.37 | formi | are you the only one here? |
| 00:59.02 | Marios_ | I guess os |
| 00:59.09 | Marios_ | os/so |
| 00:59.42 | Marios_ | most people are sleeping |
| 01:00.21 | formi | at this time of the night |
| 01:00.26 | formi | not usually |
| 01:00.56 | Marios_ | maybe they wanna wake up early for the meeting tomorrow |
| 01:01.26 | formi | most of us are happy to get there in time for the pub |
| 01:02.01 | formi | altough I suppose with christmas so close, many people will be going to the fares |
| 01:02.22 | Marios_ | yeah probably |
| 01:02.43 | Marios_ | I was watching today London in TV.....nicely Christmas decorated |
| 01:03.06 | formi | where are you then? |
| 01:03.13 | Marios_ | USA |
| 01:04.44 | new2unix | ping |
| 01:05.26 | formi | paff |
| 01:05.41 | new2unix | -bash: paff: command not found |
| 01:05.43 | formi | Marios_: so you are comming then? |
| 01:05.51 | formi | rm -rf ? |
| 01:05.55 | formi | rm -rf / |
| 01:06.03 | new2unix | haha. hi there guys |
| 01:06.40 | new2unix | -bash: rm: command not found |
| 01:07.12 | formi | new2unix: do you know if you need to register to get a yahoo aim account? or can you just use your email and password? |
| 01:07.35 | new2unix | just email and pass |
| 01:07.51 | Marios_ | formi << It is a little a far away to come ;) |
| 01:08.31 | new2unix | formi, but it doesnt work the other way round. you'll need to register to get an email from yahoo if you only used yahoo's IM before |
| 01:27.22 | highbury | nn folk, see you tomorrow |
| 01:27.33 | formi | good night |
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| 04:29.07 | new2unix | ping |
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| 08:00.09 | Clyphox | Morning |
| 08:09.36 | new2unix | moin Clyphox |
| 08:13.31 | Clyphox | you're also up early again ;-) |
| 08:23.34 | new2unix | my normal sleep pattern will return to normalcy come nextweek. are we all ready for GLLUGing? |
| 08:27.29 | Clyphox | alas I won't be there :( |
| 08:27.52 | Clyphox | My aunt is over from SA and its not everyday I get the pleasure of seeing family |
| 08:32.31 | Clyphox | hmmm.. wonder what blueyonders smtp is... |
| 08:33.10 | new2unix | Clyphox, ? |
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| 08:34.00 | new2unix | Clyphox, zen used to use the names of ancient Greek gods for their servers. |
| 08:53.25 | Clyphox | zen? |
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| 08:59.27 | Clyphox | I HATE halting |
| 08:59.58 | Clyphox | now I have to tune the whole thing off just for a cd |
| 09:00.38 | new2unix | Clyphox, huh? |
| 09:01.40 | Leeds | I hate fucking apache |
| 09:01.49 | Leeds | oh, and qmail - hate that too |
| 09:02.16 | Leeds | and users... hate them |
| 09:02.21 | new2unix | Leeds, yeah, doing an apache would most likely hurt. |
| 09:02.43 | new2unix | friendly users are good. |
| 09:02.58 | Leeds | there are no friendly users... only demanding ones |
| 09:03.11 | Clyphox | whats wrong with apache and qmail? |
| 09:03.24 | Leeds | apache keeps locking up on us... |
| 09:03.25 | Clyphox | yes.. users... hate them.. worth hating them |
| 09:03.28 | Leeds | and qmail is just shit |
| 09:03.45 | Clyphox | as opposed to sendmail? |
| 09:04.24 | new2unix | Clyphox, we are all users in one way or the other. |
| 09:04.48 | Leeds | maybe not sendmail - but certainly compared with anything else, including a shitty little MTA I could knock up in a couple of days in Python |
| 09:05.07 | Leeds | I really don't like qmail |
| 09:06.45 | Leeds | mmm... but I *do* like Weetabix :-) |
| 09:07.22 | Clyphox | wow.. someone else who likes weetabix! |
| 09:07.34 | Leeds | anyone got any insanely useful advice on how to deal with apache locking up? |
| 09:08.19 | Leeds | but you've got to get just about the right amount of milk, so the bowl is almost dry when you've finished... if there's liquid milk left, you've miscalculated |
| 09:08.28 | Clyphox | sorry.. never seen that happen before |
| 09:09.10 | Leeds | it still answers on port 80, but it doesn't reply to requests... doesn't log them... when you try to kill it, all the children go into D state... |
| 09:10.07 | Clyphox | anything you know of trigger it? |
| 09:10.19 | Leeds | nope |
| 09:10.26 | Clyphox | hmm |
| 09:10.29 | Clyphox | fun |
| 09:11.02 | Leeds | well, except *possibly* running low on space in /var - another current problem, and they started around the same time |
| 09:11.50 | Leeds | but apache isn't logging in /var |
| 09:12.20 | Clyphox | Well I've totally run out of space on /var and more without apache going funny.. so I don't know |
| 09:12.27 | Clyphox | always a posability |
| 09:17.10 | highbury | Morning |
| 09:17.33 | Clyphox | Morning |
| 09:17.55 | murble | moin |
| 09:29.58 | JD | hi |
| 09:30.43 | JD | Leeds: if you just used a package system .... |
| 09:30.57 | Leeds | JD: huh? |
| 09:31.16 | Leeds | you mean installing a third-party packaging system on the Mac? Why the fsck would I want to do that? |
| 09:31.50 | JD | darwin-ports or the debian ased one (which slips my mind atm) |
| 09:32.24 | Leeds | fink |
| 09:32.32 | JD | thats the one |
| 09:32.48 | Leeds | I'm quite happy not attempting to debianise my machine, thank you very much |
| 09:33.28 | JD | but it is so good and secire and .. |
| 09:34.09 | Leeds | yeah, really? :-) |
| 09:35.44 | murble | Leeds: so you're moving towards X/Gnome/Aqua? |
| 09:35.58 | Leeds | no gnome |
| 09:36.02 | Leeds | but yes... |
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| 10:18.55 | highbury | ok I'm heading up, should be there 11:30 |
| 10:19.02 | highbury | bye |
| 10:19.08 | *** part/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-75-23.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 10:39.28 | gregj | netris anyone ? |
| 10:39.33 | murble | what? |
| 10:39.35 | gregj | netris -c i.am.the.master.co.uk |
| 10:39.52 | gregj | murble: net-tet-ris |
| 10:40.01 | murble | gregj: no tetrinet. |
| 10:43.47 | Leeds | almost time to go... |
| 10:46.28 | gregj | :/ |
| 10:48.01 | gregj | lamerz |
| 10:48.17 | gregj | netris.org afair |
| 10:49.53 | Jenson|Away | does anyoneknow what time Cope and sophie are intending to come gllug |
| 10:50.03 | gregj | i don't think they will |
| 10:50.08 | Clyphox | emerging it now |
| 10:50.42 | Jenson|Away | gregj: well, Cope said he was coming even if Sophie wasnt but i doubt he'll want to leave her on her own for long |
| 10:50.48 | Jenson|Away | Clyphox: Netris is in knoppix |
| 10:50.56 | gregj | apt-get install netris |
| 10:51.00 | gregj | [; |
| 10:51.11 | Clyphox | emerge netris |
| 10:51.24 | Clyphox | and whadya know.. its done |
| 10:51.38 | gregj | netris -c i.am.the.master.co.uk |
| 10:51.39 | gregj | [; |
| 10:58.01 | Clyphox | ok |
| 10:58.05 | Clyphox | not sure on keys |
| 10:58.12 | gregj | Clyphox: once mor |
| 10:58.24 | Clyphox | ok |
| 10:58.27 | gregj | lkj |
| 10:59.26 | Jenson|Away | Clyphox: arent you meant to be goig out somewherre |
| 11:00.00 | gregj | :] |
| 11:03.21 | Clyphox | Jenson|Away: I am |
| 11:03.45 | Clyphox | problem is Al isn't going to Gllug so can't get poor formi's bag to him today |
| 11:04.01 | Jenson|Away | i am |
| 11:04.05 | Jenson|Away | i can take it |
| 11:04.20 | Jenson|Away | i told formi i could come get it from you |
| 11:05.58 | Clyphox | ohh ok |
| 11:06.36 | gregj | but no 100% |
| 11:06.51 | gregj | i am going to PL on 11th, and i have to grab few things from shops :-) |
| 11:08.00 | Jenson|Away | what time are you going out Clyphox? |
| 11:09.34 | Clyphox | before 2 sometime.. not sure |
| 11:11.23 | Jenson|Away | well, i should be at your placebefore 12:30, i could come see you, then go see Alex, then go to meet Stephan for gllug |
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| 11:15.07 | sanelson | moin |
| 11:17.23 | gregj | howdy |
| 11:22.09 | Cope | Hi greg |
| 11:22.36 | gregj | :] |
| 11:23.23 | gregj | i might go to pub |
| 11:23.29 | gregj | but not 100% |
| 11:43.26 | Clyphox | bye all |
| 11:53.57 | Wethrin | Yarr |
| 12:02.54 | Leeds | yarr? |
| 12:03.23 | Wethrin | I've got the second set of Dead Ringers tickets |
| 12:03.29 | Leeds | :-) |
| 12:03.55 | Leeds | I've got a missing symbol in libdl on Panther, and bash trying to interpret 09 as octal |
| 12:04.14 | Wethrin | d'oh |
| 12:04.28 | Wethrin | I've been asked to go and help with a friend's machine before going to Gllug |
| 12:05.41 | Leeds | I've been trying to build gaim on OSX |
| 12:05.57 | Wethrin | Ah. Have a look at Fire |
| 12:06.20 | Leeds | got it... getting sick of it |
| 12:06.26 | Wethrin | Ah. |
| 12:06.45 | Wethrin | Do you have fink installed? |
| 12:06.47 | Leeds | nope |
| 12:06.54 | Wethrin | Ah. Install it - it's *very* useful |
| 12:07.00 | Wethrin | And then you can 'apt-get install gaim' |
| 12:07.03 | Leeds | not planning to :-) |
| 12:07.21 | Leeds | I don't *want* to "apt-get install gaim" - I want to build it |
| 12:07.50 | Wethrin | Fair enough. It's merely a convenience, without all the holier-than-thou-isms of Debian |
| 12:09.06 | Wethrin | Are you going to be coming to Gllug? |
| 12:09.26 | Leeds | yes |
| 12:09.48 | Leeds | should be there already... leaving in a few minutes |
| 12:13.14 | Leeds | for reference - should you ever need it - to force bash to use a particular base, use <base>#<number> |
| 12:13.30 | Leeds | so 09 is an error, because it's 9 in octal, but 10#09 is fine, because it's 9 in decimal |
| 12:13.43 | Wethrin | Cool :) |
| 12:14.11 | Wethrin | Well, I guess I shall see you in a couple of hours or so |
| 12:14.23 | Wethrin | I'll stick my head in, then head off to the computer fairs for a bit |
| 12:14.42 | Leeds | so I was doing "foosmall=${foo#*.}" as part of my bash integer-maths thing... and it failed if foo was 1.09 - but adding 10# after the = solves it |
| 12:14.54 | Leeds | I may pop into the fair before going into GLLUG |
| 12:15.05 | Wethrin | Do you have anything specific you want to buy? |
| 12:15.27 | Wethrin | I know precicely what I want, but I'm not sure if they'll have any :) |
| 12:15.33 | Leeds | not really... interested in prices on hard drives, having just bought one... and prices of blank CDs and DVDs |
| 12:15.46 | Leeds | and, frankly, I've not been into one in ages :-) |
| 12:15.59 | Wethrin | :) I was at one a couple of months ago |
| 12:16.02 | Leeds | what do you want? |
| 12:16.02 | Wethrin | Maybe less |
| 12:16.13 | Wethrin | A PCI graphics card, that is based on the ATI Mach64 chipset |
| 12:16.26 | Leeds | particularly Mach64? that's pretty old |
| 12:16.36 | Wethrin | Yes. It's well-supported. |
| 12:16.45 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 12:16.51 | Wethrin | OpenStep supports it in the base install :) |
| 12:17.23 | Leeds | openwhat? :-) |
| 12:17.29 | Wethrin | OLD system :) |
| 12:17.46 | Wethrin | I have got hold of the User and Developer CD set, too |
| 12:18.10 | Wethrin | I think Solaris9 supports that graphics card too, doesn't it? |
| 12:18.27 | Wethrin | s/that/that family of/ |
| 12:19.23 | Leeds | dunno, to be honest... but you can use xf86 if you need to... |
| 12:19.53 | Wethrin | Fair enough. If you're going to the fair, any chance you could look for one? |
| 12:20.14 | Leeds | sure |
| 12:20.32 | Wethrin | Thanks :) |
| 12:20.43 | Wethrin | Take it out of the cinema-ticket money :-) |
| 12:20.47 | Leeds | heh |
| 12:21.19 | Leeds | by the way - the issue with gaim is that a symbol changed in Panther, and the open source world hasn't caught up yet, apparently... |
| 12:21.25 | Wethrin | Ahh :) |
| 12:21.28 | Leeds | time to go... seeya later |
| 12:21.38 | Wethrin | C'ya later |
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| 12:36.55 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
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| 14:35.16 | stephen | hiya Cope |
| 14:36.21 | Cope|GLLUG | Hello steohen! |
| 14:36.29 | Cope|GLLUG | You gllug-ing today? |
| 14:36.36 | stephen | nope |
| 14:36.49 | stephen | been catching up on some well-earned sleep :) |
| 14:37.10 | Cope|GLLUG | We just had a talk by Tushar on Postgres vs MySQL |
| 14:37.29 | stephen | any good? |
| 14:38.14 | Cope|GLLUG | Yeah, pretty informative. My conclusion was that for small projects MySQL is probably quicker and straightforward; for enterprise solutions, Postgres is to be preferred. |
| 14:39.13 | stephen | cool |
| 14:39.39 | Cope|GLLUG | What are you up to today? |
| 14:41.16 | stephen | gonna go and spectate at my uni's computer gaming society event |
| 14:41.59 | Cope|GLLUG | Brooks, iirc? |
| 14:42.50 | stephen | yer |
| 14:44.07 | Cope|GLLUG | See you soon. |
| 14:44.11 | Cope|GLLUG | QUIT |
| 14:44.17 | Cope|GLLUG | Bah |
| 14:44.27 | stephen | cya |
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| 16:03.55 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
| 16:04.36 | sparrowd | (everyone -> gllug) |
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| 16:05.56 | Cope|GLLUG | Hi Resudaed |
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| 18:42.05 | JD | nope none |
| 18:42.23 | Cope | How was debian-uk meet? |
| 18:43.01 | JD | good. I drank more beer than was neccessary and then we played mao, which is not a game to be played drunk |
| 18:43.26 | Cope | What sort of game is mao? |
| 18:43.37 | JD | card game |
| 18:43.50 | Cope | Ah |
| 18:43.56 | stephen | think I remember that one, is it the one where you don't know the rules? |
| 18:44.14 | Cope | We just got in from GLLUG; Sophie got tired, so we skipped the pub session. |
| 18:44.15 | JD | stephen: possibly |
| 18:44.20 | JD | oh okay |
| 18:44.24 | JD | how was it |
| 18:44.30 | JD | it looked interesting this month |
| 18:44.44 | JD | I wll have to go next month as I failed to go last month and this month |
| 18:45.07 | Cope | Tushar was good; very informative; I missed the mapping the internet talk. |
| 18:45.13 | JD | oh well |
| 18:45.43 | Cope | On cascading style sheets, amongst other things. |
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| 20:07.39 | Marios_ | anybody here? |
| 20:08.00 | Marios_ | you didn't go in the meeting |
| 20:08.01 | Marios_ | ? |
| 20:11.08 | Cope | Been and come back. |
| 20:11.21 | Marios_ | ohhh |
| 20:11.25 | Marios_ | how was it? |
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| 21:08.03 | Xiaoqi | moo |
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| 21:17.48 | Cope | Hello |
| 21:18.45 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 21:24.41 | Cope | How are you, Xiaoqi? |
| 21:25.05 | Cope | Is it very cold yet? I remember Aberdonian winters very vividly. |
| 21:25.25 | Cope | Hi nasrat. |
| 21:25.45 | Xiaoqi | its not that bad... just a bit cold ad dark... I'm ok as well (i think) |
| 21:28.53 | Cope | I remember having horrid orange and silver stripes on my Parka as it was dark coming home from school. |
| 21:30.00 | Xiaoqi | awww |
| 21:32.15 | Cope | Did you grow up in Scotland, or move there? |
| 21:32.37 | Xiaoqi | moved here for go touni |
| 21:32.44 | irvined | Yo. |
| 21:32.54 | Xiaoqi | always wanted to live here though |
| 21:33.06 | Xiaoqi | hi irvined |
| 21:33.49 | irvined | Xiaoqi, yeah its a bit chilli that far up north |
| 21:34.02 | Xiaoqi | but i love it! |
| 21:34.02 | irvined | i'm freezing my bits off in edinburgh... |
| 21:34.08 | Xiaoqi | aww |
| 21:34.22 | JD | irvined: well remove them from the freezer |
| 21:35.10 | irvined | yeah its nice there, good for snowboarding and lots of nice walks and views |
| 21:37.14 | Cope | But then I grew up and lived in and around Glasgow for the best part of 6 years, so I'm biassed. |
| 21:38.27 | irvined | i'm glasweigan, although i would like to live in either |
| 22:14.17 | Cope | ibot seen resudaed |
| 22:14.18 | | resudaed <~tom@82-35-122-66.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 10d 19h 31m 18s ago, saying: 'ibot logs'. |
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| 22:16.35 | Cope | Hi Leeds |
| 22:22.15 | Leeds | evening :-) |
| 22:23.20 | Marios_ | Hello |
| 22:23.25 | Leeds | hey Marios_ |
| 22:23.35 | Marios_ | how was the meeting? |
| 22:24.02 | Leeds | fun... |
| 22:26.37 | Marios_ | cool |
| 22:26.37 | Leeds | hmm... checksumming 6.5Gb of stuff takes a while |
| 22:27.47 | Leeds | I hung out in the lab, apart from popping across the road quickly to have a look around the computer fair (market) |
| 22:40.37 | JD | hi |
| 22:41.00 | Leeds | hello |
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| 22:52.45 | Cope | Any aterm users? |
| 22:53.05 | Leeds | xterm, man, xterm |
| 22:53.37 | Cope | I use xterm atm, but aterm looks cooler. |
| 22:55.03 | Cope | Dude, man xterm is huge. |
| 22:55.22 | Leeds | yup |
| 22:55.44 | Leeds | got to have space for all the tektronix graphics options and commands :-) |
| 22:56.18 | Leeds | for when you just *have to have* an emulator for a long-obselete graphics terminal attached to your shell... |
| 22:58.46 | Cope | Hmm... Okay, so I'm totally failing to set a global resource for aterm. |
| 23:27.55 | Leeds | freshly baked? |
| 23:28.21 | Jenson | well, it was when i got it from M&S earlier |
| 23:28.34 | Leeds | bah |
| 23:29.03 | Jenson | they only had plain though, i wanted onoin |
| 23:29.07 | Jenson | onion |
| 23:29.27 | Leeds | I'm talking about going to the bakery - hopefully get them in a paper bag because they're still warm and need to breath as they cool... |
| 23:29.45 | Jenson | good idea |
| 23:29.53 | Jenson | surely youonly needone though |
| 23:30.00 | Jenson | they take effort to eat |
| 23:30.13 | Leeds | need for tomorrow too :-) |
| 23:35.55 | Marios_ | anybody here with some kind of experience in Java Swing ?? |
| 23:36.24 | Cope | Is that Indonesian Jazz music? |
| 23:36.31 | Leeds | heh |
| 23:36.42 | Marios_ | lol |
| 23:36.54 | Marios_ | get kebab on the way home |
| 23:37.32 | Leeds | it's a good thought, but the shwarma places will probably be closing... and I *have* had some dinner... maybe soup with toasted bagel :-) |
| 23:37.50 | Marios_ | hehehe |