| 00:04.30 | Wethrin | Hello |
| 00:06.26 | Wethrin | Hm. Someone get Tom to prod me tomorrow re packet filtering |
| 00:07.10 | Clyphox | sorted it |
| 00:07.16 | Clyphox | he had a fscked pf.conf |
| 00:07.25 | Clyphox | its ok now.. gave him mine :-) |
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| 00:10.45 | Wethrin | Eek |
| 00:10.59 | Clyphox | oi oi.. we'll have no prodding here |
| 00:11.30 | Wethrin | resuDaed: Dave says you've sorted out your problem? |
| 00:11.33 | resuDaed | Wethrin : re:pf.conf all is good now |
| 00:11.52 | Wethrin | That's good :) |
| 00:12.11 | resuDaed | pf way outrates iptables - speaks english |
| 00:12.34 | Wethrin | Yes. I've known that since it first came out :) |
| 00:12.43 | Wethrin | And even before then, with ipf |
| 00:13.08 | resuDaed | still not entirly worked out how I went wrong with the rdrs, I think the problem was deeper |
| 00:13.12 | Wethrin | (seeing as DanH wanted to make a syntax that resembled Darren's) |
| 00:14.00 | resuDaed | my 486 is still useful |
| 00:14.26 | resuDaed | gfx card is fscked beyond being able to read anything on the screen, but it all works |
| 00:14.52 | Wethrin | Given that m88k isn't on their front page as a working port yet :) |
| 00:15.41 | Clyphox | ouch |
| 00:15.52 | resuDaed | distcc still not working on 192.168.0.2 |
| 00:16.12 | Clyphox | hmm |
| 00:17.30 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 00:17.50 | resuDaed | on what port? |
| 00:17.56 | resuDaed | (OOI) |
| 00:18.39 | Wethrin | WOOHOO! |
| 00:18.47 | Wethrin | Dead Ringers Christmas specials being recorded |
| 00:20.32 | stephen | when, where? |
| 00:20.42 | Wethrin | 14th and 21st December, Television Centre |
| 00:21.00 | Wethrin | And Parsons & Naylor's Christmas Special isn't on the list :( |
| 00:21.16 | Wethrin | I might phone them up and see if there are any tickets available still |
| 00:21.26 | Wethrin | Would you be interested in that? (14th Nov.) |
| 00:21.36 | stephen | yer |
| 00:21.51 | Wethrin | Right. I'll see if I can get any tickets |
| 00:22.05 | stephen | cheers |
| 00:22.05 | Wethrin | What about Dead Ringers? |
| 00:22.15 | Wethrin | I don't guarantee getting them, mind :) |
| 00:22.19 | stephen | yer, if there's tickets for that I'd go to that too |
| 00:22.28 | Wethrin | Both recordings? Or just one? |
| 00:22.41 | stephen | just one probably |
| 00:22.56 | Wethrin | Okay. Which date is preferable? |
| 00:23.19 | stephen | probably the 21st |
| 00:23.23 | stephen | but I don't mind either |
| 00:23.30 | Wethrin | Okay. |
| 00:23.35 | stephen | whichever is better for you really |
| 00:23.41 | Wethrin | I was going to try for both |
| 00:23.53 | Wethrin | It is Dead Ringers, after all :) |
| 00:24.06 | stephen | hehe |
| 00:24.26 | Wethrin | Right. I'll see what I can do, then. 21st for you. |
| 00:25.01 | Wethrin | *idea |
| 00:25.28 | stephen | yer |
| 00:26.25 | Wethrin | Anyway, I need sleep. |
| 00:26.28 | Wethrin | Good night, everyone! |
| 00:26.52 | resuDaed | night |
| 00:27.01 | stephen | nn Wethrin |
| 00:27.02 | resuDaed | Clyphox : just confirm, am I using you? |
| 00:27.17 | resuDaed | I see network activity, but am unsure |
| 00:29.26 | Clyphox | nothing here |
| 00:29.41 | resuDaed | atm, I am at the ./configure stage, give it a min |
| 00:29.50 | resuDaed | would I have local logs of distcc? |
| 00:30.34 | Clyphox | ok its going here |
| 00:30.57 | resuDaed | wahey --about those local logs? |
| 00:32.42 | Clyphox | well gcc/make talks about distcc when you compile with it... don't ask me about log files on your pc :-p |
| 00:33.03 | Clyphox | its taken me all day to watch Apocalypse Now |
| 00:33.08 | resuDaed | lol |
| 00:35.30 | resuDaed | I am also nicking processing from home now:-) |
| 00:35.45 | resuDaed | for the sake of seeing if it works:-) |
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| 07:04.37 | ^Chiqui_com1^ | hi |
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| 09:17.28 | Wethrin | Hi all |
| 09:23.45 | pawelsz | hello Wethrin. :-) |
| 09:23.55 | Wethrin | hihi |
| 09:42.48 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 10:19.36 | gregj | morning |
| 10:38.54 | pawelsz | gregj: hello. :-) |
| 10:42.56 | gregj | :] |
| 10:46.14 | Xiaoqi | how is everyone today? |
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| 11:21.48 | gregj | welcome |
| 11:22.06 | Leeds | greetings |
| 11:32.09 | Wethrin | Gah. My qmail install appears to be a bit broken. |
| 11:32.32 | Wethrin | It works, but it doesn't seem to be wanting to use the new Spamassassin |
| 11:33.53 | Wethrin | And the new qmail-scanner seems to think I don't have the qmail-queue patch installed |
| 11:34.35 | Leeds | ha |
| 11:36.04 | Wethrin | While you're here, would you be interested in a Dead Ringers recording? |
| 11:36.10 | Wethrin | (or two) |
| 11:38.57 | gregj | me ? |
| 11:39.06 | gregj | oh, btw thanks for message yestearday |
| 11:39.19 | gregj | yesterdays message |
| 11:39.25 | gregj | ble |
| 11:39.37 | Leeds | Wethrin: yeah, probably |
| 11:39.46 | Wethrin | gregj: You too, yes. |
| 11:39.56 | Wethrin | It's at TV Centre on 14th and 21st December |
| 11:40.11 | Wethrin | Tickets for Parsons & Naylor aren't on the website any more |
| 11:40.55 | gregj | oki doki |
| 11:41.07 | gregj | Wethrin: it is ok, but too remote for me |
| 11:41.17 | gregj | i don't want to move outside london, at least not now |
| 11:41.24 | gregj | but i'll write to this guy anyway |
| 11:44.30 | Wethrin | Okay |
| 11:45.22 | gregj | he knows that i have this address from you? |
| 11:46.29 | Wethrin | He was at the OxLUG meeting yesterday |
| 11:50.50 | gregj | yes, but does he know where i got his email from ? |
| 11:55.09 | Wethrin | It doesn't matter :) |
| 11:55.55 | gregj | hmm |
| 12:16.59 | Wethrin | Hm. I guess I'll just keep the email creaking along |
| 12:19.08 | Wethrin | Lunchtime |
| 12:35.43 | Leeds | 20.1 inch panel |
| 12:49.27 | Clyphox | hhmmm |
| 12:49.56 | Clyphox | I was at my sisters flat and just casually looked out the kitchen window and saw a massive Sun monitor |
| 12:50.13 | Clyphox | must have been a good 24 inches at least |
| 12:50.22 | Clyphox | (it was in use) |
| 12:50.35 | Clyphox | they found two of them just on the sidewalk. heh bastards |
| 12:51.54 | Leeds | I've got a 21inch one at home :-) |
| 12:53.38 | Clyphox | let me guesse.. its flat? |
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| 12:54.11 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 12:54.15 | Clyphox | Heya |
| 12:55.17 | Leeds | flat CRT, not panel |
| 12:55.18 | Leeds | hey jason_ukfsn |
| 12:55.46 | jason_ukfsn | Hi leeds. What's the URI of the wiki? |
| 12:57.07 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk except there's no DNS pointing there yet |
| 12:57.30 | Leeds | the machine it's on is butter.j-colo.net |
| 12:57.56 | jason_ukfsn | what's the correct IP for it? I can at least corrent the DNS on the UKPOST/UKFSN name servers |
| 12:58.33 | Leeds | butter = 195.82.99.3 |
| 13:00.29 | jason_ukfsn | Thanks, I've added it to my DNS and can now access it. |
| 13:00.43 | jason_ukfsn | Cor! there's lots there ;) |
| 13:00.58 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: did you get by email to gllug-admin yesterday? |
| 13:01.09 | Leeds | that's just the default content of the moinmoin wiki - has things like "how to use a wiki" stuff |
| 13:01.21 | Leeds | I did get your mail, yes |
| 13:08.11 | Wethrin | Foo! |
| 13:08.24 | Leeds | finally, there's a 1.1rc1 for moinmoin... |
| 13:09.38 | Wethrin | I got Dead Ringers tickets booked. |
| 13:09.43 | Wethrin | 6 for 14th and 6 for 21st |
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| 13:09.53 | Wethrin | Parsons & Naylor are sold out, though :( |
| 13:10.44 | Wethrin | So....I can bring 5 people along on each day. Who wants to come? |
| 13:10.50 | Wethrin | (and when) |
| 13:10.57 | Leeds | yay |
| 13:11.19 | Wethrin | It's at Television Centre, and they recommended to get there as early as possible |
| 13:11.54 | Leeds | so this is Dead Ringers TV? |
| 13:12.14 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:13.18 | Wethrin | They recommended get there close to 6pm |
| 13:13.50 | Wethrin | It's Sunday evenings, BTW |
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| 13:17.11 | Tarragon | Afternoon formi |
| 13:17.16 | formi | hiya |
| 13:17.53 | Clyphox | heua |
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| 13:17.55 | Clyphox | er heya |
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| 13:19.38 | Leeds | oh! ah... |
| 13:19.44 | Leeds | hang on... |
| 13:19.59 | Leeds | so you're saying Sunday evening, 6pm, TV Centre? |
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| 13:21.08 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:21.23 | Leeds | fine by me then |
| 13:22.05 | Wethrin | Excellent. Which date(s) do you want to come? |
| 13:22.26 | Leeds | any and all? :-) |
| 13:22.38 | Wethrin | No problem |
| 13:23.49 | Leeds | any perl people around? |
| 13:23.52 | Wethrin | Right. I've put you down for both |
| 13:24.15 | Wethrin | Anyone else want to come? |
| 13:24.46 | Leeds | Perl. anyone? |
| 13:25.04 | Wethrin | Use python? :) |
| 13:25.33 | Leeds | yes, that was my first response too... it's to help a non-Perl collegue who's trying to debug a perl problem |
| 13:25.56 | Wethrin | Yes, Python would help there :) |
| 13:26.11 | stephen | eye69 is a Perl hacker, and I know a bit |
| 13:26.13 | Leeds | except that it would mean rewriting the existing third-party code :-( |
| 13:26.22 | Leeds | stephen: ah-ha :-) |
| 13:27.05 | Leeds | the code contains a block starting: |
| 13:27.14 | Leeds | > my $a = $arg; |
| 13:27.14 | Leeds | > while ($a->{'controlledby'}) { |
| 13:27.42 | Leeds | then a block starting: |
| 13:27.43 | Leeds | > my $a = $arg; |
| 13:27.44 | Leeds | > while ($arg->{'controlledby'}) { |
| 13:28.24 | Leeds | the first thing is that we don't know what $arg->{'controlledby'} actually means... |
| 13:29.31 | stephen | erm, there should be reference to $arg somewhere else, telling you what object it comes from |
| 13:30.02 | Leeds | back up a bit - neither of us really know the Perl syntax at all (bloody messy that it is) :-) |
| 13:30.38 | Leeds | what does $foo->{'bar'} mean? |
| 13:31.04 | stephen | it's a class of the foo object I think |
| 13:31.06 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: $arg->{'@'} is a reference to an element 'controlledby' in a hash |
| 13:31.12 | stephen | I'm a bit out of my depth here too, I've never done any OO programming in perl |
| 13:31.19 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: ah, thanks |
| 13:31.40 | Leeds | and I'd guess "my $a = $arg" just makes a local copy (or reference?) |
| 13:32.21 | jason_ukfsn | It looks like $arg is the reference (pointer) to the hash. Look to see where $arg is coming from. |
| 13:33.15 | jason_ukfsn | It seems to me that while ($a->{'controlledby'}) is wrong anyway as that just checks that there is something there which is not a sufficient check. You need to use "exists" or "defined" to check the element like this: |
| 13:33.37 | jason_ukfsn | while (exists $a->{'controlledby'}) { ... } |
| 13:33.48 | Leeds | the point is... the second question is... does it seem likely that one should be $a-> and the other $arg-> since they bother have "my $a = $arg" on the line above |
| 13:34.18 | Leeds | this isn't about generally fixing it - the code is getting stuck and he just needs to fix what seems to be a simple typo/bug |
| 13:34.58 | jason_ukfsn | That does seem odd and without seeing more of the code it's hard to comment much. Both are referring to the same element name however they may be different hashes - see where they are called from. |
| 13:36.03 | jason_ukfsn | Does he have warnings on? If so that should provide a useful pointer to what is causing his problem. |
| 13:36.06 | Leeds | they are in separate branches of an if/elseif about 7 lines apart |
| 13:37.25 | jason_ukfsn | could be valid - as I said before it depends upon what's being passed to it and probably is considering it's part of what's effectively a switch statement |
| 13:38.33 | Leeds | he's not a Perl guy... he's slapped print statements through the code |
| 13:40.42 | jason_ukfsn | A simple and usually effective debugging method. Perl does offer a debugging facility however it's probably easier just to use print |
| 13:43.32 | Leeds | oaky, so $foo->{'bar'} means foo is a hash and you're asking for the element called "bar" |
| 13:49.23 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: almost - it means $foo is a reference (pointer) to a hash and you're asking for element 'bar' in the referenced hash. |
| 13:49.54 | jason_ukfsn | It's an important distiction as if you don't remember it's a reference you'll end up treating it the wrong way and getting random bits instead of data. |
| 13:49.59 | Tarragon | What is the best lossless compression algorithm? |
| 13:50.41 | jason_ukfsn | Tarragon: I don't know but I expect you need to refine the question by considering what you are trying to compress. |
| 13:51.04 | Wethrin | Tarragon: The one used by bzip2 is quite good |
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| 14:06.40 | Wethrin | Hi eye69_ |
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| 16:37.57 | highbury | question: an AMD64 is or is not an Opteron? |
| 16:38.48 | Wethrin | Depends. |
| 16:38.55 | Wethrin | Not if it's an Athlon64 |
| 16:39.12 | Leeds | AMD64 is the platform |
| 16:39.15 | highbury | that's what I meant |
| 16:39.20 | highbury | Athlon64 |
| 16:39.26 | Leeds | Opterron is a family of chips and/or a marketing name |
| 16:39.38 | Wethrin | Think Xeon compared to Pentium4 |
| 16:39.42 | Leeds | that's like saying x86 - Pentium or not? |
| 16:39.45 | highbury | so which is Clawhammer |
| 16:40.05 | Leeds | clawhammer is the project name for Athlon64 |
| 16:40.13 | Leeds | Sledgehammer=Opteron |
| 16:40.26 | Leeds | but the hammer names aren't really used anymore |
| 16:44.46 | Clyphox | Wethrin: what crime have you semi-commited? |
| 16:44.54 | Wethrin | Read the mailing list. |
| 16:45.03 | Clyphox | I'm too lazy |
| 16:45.13 | Wethrin | Slightly more sarcastic reply to Martin Brooks, compared to what Leeds wrote |
| 16:45.33 | Clyphox | gtg.. bah |
| 16:45.52 | Leeds | what did I say? |
| 16:46.11 | Leeds | oh, the version number thing |
| 16:46.15 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 16:47.08 | Leeds | Am I right that SuSE started with version 3 or something because that was the SLS it was based off? |
| 16:47.29 | Leeds | I should get used to capitalising it SUSE, right? |
| 16:47.36 | Wethrin | I don't know, and yes |
| 16:48.34 | Leeds | waddya mean you don't know??? I'm expected to know intimate details of Sun hardware from 15 years ago, and you fob me off with "I don't know"??? :-) |
| 16:49.18 | Tarragon | SuSE started at 4.2 because that was the answer to almost everything. |
| 16:49.25 | Leeds | ah, better answer :-) |
| 16:49.39 | Leeds | so did Mandrake start around 6.something? |
| 16:49.54 | Wethrin | Leeds: You've been working at Sun longer than I have at SUSE |
| 16:50.13 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 16:50.14 | Tarragon | Mandrake's first version was 5.1 |
| 16:50.34 | Wethrin | That's around 6.something :) |
| 16:50.41 | Leeds | for small values of 6 :-) |
| 16:50.44 | Tarragon | July 23 1998 codename "Venice" |
| 16:51.23 | Leeds | Slackware descends from SLS |
| 16:51.29 | Leeds | http://slackware.com/announce/1.0.php |
| 16:51.42 | murble | I want email to work |
| 16:52.45 | Wethrin | I think that SUSE descends from SLS too |
| 16:53.45 | nasrat | Wethrin: I'm tempted to mention elks is pre 1.0 so maybe he should use that too :) |
| 16:54.03 | Leeds | nasrat: heh |
| 16:54.10 | Wethrin | Yes, but NetBSD is actually usable ;-) |
| 16:54.16 | Wethrin | Although if he's used to Debian.... |
| 16:54.29 | nasrat | Wethrin: I can write a shell wrapper called apt-get |
| 16:54.36 | highbury | So the main difference between Opteron and Athlon64 is ...? |
| 16:54.36 | Wethrin | Heh. |
| 16:54.44 | Wethrin | Cache, probably |
| 16:54.56 | highbury | multi-processor? |
| 16:55.05 | Wethrin | I think they're both capable |
| 16:56.06 | Leeds | cache is a big difference... |
| 16:56.37 | Leeds | does Althon64 have single HyperTransport, but Opteron has multiple busses for n-way configuration? |
| 16:57.00 | Leeds | or is that a fake memory? |
| 16:57.10 | highbury | so I presume they need diferrent mobo's? |
| 16:57.39 | Leeds | Athlon64 is sold by PR+ rating, whereas Opteron is sold by model number, which use abstract numbers to mean speed |
| 16:57.53 | Jenson | heya guys |
| 16:58.13 | Leeds | there are, I think 3 different pin-out configs for current AMD64/Opteron chips... 1 is shared between the two, the others are for different models of Althon64, I think |
| 16:58.23 | Leeds | highbury: lots of stuff in the Register archives about this |
| 16:58.49 | Wethrin | ibot google for differences between athlon64 and opteron |
| 16:59.17 | highbury | tx |
| 17:04.00 | Tarragon | Why not? |
| 17:06.53 | nasrat | Wethrin: personality conflict? |
| 17:07.13 | Jenson | nasrat: heya darling, hows you? |
| 17:07.15 | Wethrin | Yes. |
| 17:08.18 | nasrat | Jenson: ok thanks |
| 17:08.47 | Wethrin | For a start, I have no aversion to high verion numbers |
| 17:09.40 | nasrat | Wethrin: indeed, plus his replies are usually terse and not really helpful - along the lines of install debian |
| 17:10.08 | Wethrin | Yes. And there was a post not too long ago when he said he tends to reject CVs if they don't have Debian plastered all over them |
| 17:12.00 | highbury | Yum Logitech DiNova keyboard/mouse combo, only £170. real nice and sexy, but just too damned expensive, PC-World were asking £200 !!! |
| 17:12.02 | Leeds | but, but... all you ever need to know about computers is "apt-get upgrade will fix all known computer problems" |
| 17:12.26 | Wethrin | Yes. Especially when using Solaris |
| 17:12.34 | Leeds | highbury: what is DiNova - better be bloody good to be a 200 quid mouse/keyboard combo |
| 17:12.35 | gregj | rotfl |
| 17:12.38 | Leeds | Wethrin: yes, quite right |
| 17:12.50 | Wethrin | (it's happened to a friend a number of times; and he's now tempted to write a rant about Debian users) |
| 17:13.05 | Jenson | Wethrin: yeh go for it |
| 17:13.14 | Wethrin | Go for what? |
| 17:13.20 | Jenson | for ranting! |
| 17:13.23 | Wethrin | Why? |
| 17:13.30 | Wethrin | I'm not ranting. |
| 17:13.57 | Jenson | wb jason_ukfsn |
| 17:14.49 | jason_ukfsn | hi Jenson and all |
| 17:15.08 | Leeds | Wethrin: go for it! |
| 17:15.15 | Jenson | yeh go for it |
| 17:16.05 | Leeds | ranting about smokers, that is |
| 17:16.23 | highbury | bluetooth keyboard mouse hub, with separate numeric pad |
| 17:16.34 | Jenson | Wethrin: did they invent them yet |
| 17:16.42 | highbury | keyboard, is about happy hacker sized, very slim |
| 17:16.54 | Leeds | Wethrin: they are nice, yes |
| 17:16.55 | murble | highbury: urgle scary, not for typing passwords or passphrases on then. |
| 17:16.56 | Wethrin | Can enjoy your beer without having your sense of smell ruined by some inconsiderate jerks |
| 17:17.01 | murble | like a keyboard with built in bugging. |
| 17:17.18 | Wethrin | Why would you need to invent a non-smoker pub? |
| 17:17.26 | highbury | I though bluetooth was safer than rf murb] |
| 17:17.36 | murble | highbury: bluetooth is rf! |
| 17:17.40 | Leeds | bluetooth is rf, no? |
| 17:17.42 | Wethrin | Yes |
| 17:17.52 | Wethrin | On certain frequencies, carrying certain data |
| 17:17.56 | jason_ukfsn | a keyboard that produces your bugs for you? |
| 17:18.11 | highbury | well everything is rf except wires and infra red |
| 17:18.35 | Wethrin | IR is still EM wave |
| 17:19.06 | Jenson | Wethrin: anyway, if im smoking next time you see me, then confiscate it, ive supposedly given up anyway |
| 17:19.16 | Wethrin | Given up? Since when? |
| 17:19.38 | Jenson | since, like erm, 2 weeks ago actually |
| 17:19.43 | Wethrin | Bollocks, then |
| 17:19.46 | jason_ukfsn | you should have told us before saturday then Jenson ;) |
| 17:19.53 | Jenson | yeh well |
| 17:20.14 | Jenson | seenas me and my boy/f seem to manage to encourage each othert, and he's out of the country for 2 weeks, i might manage |
| 17:20.29 | Wethrin | You're actually going out with Costa now? |
| 17:21.01 | Jenson | yeh, since like just over 2 weeks ago |
| 17:21.21 | Jenson | i saw Ross and Emma all loved up, decided i finally wasnt in love with Ross and got with Costa |
| 17:21.36 | Wethrin | It sounds so.....mechanical |
| 17:22.08 | Leeds | it sounds so... boring |
| 17:22.16 | Wethrin | That too |
| 17:22.27 | Jenson | yeh well, if it works then it does,. and if it doesnt then fuck it |
| 17:22.42 | highbury | it looked embarrasing |
| 17:22.54 | Wethrin | Leeds: give it 1 or 2 months? |
| 17:23.07 | Jenson | highbury: what did? |
| 17:23.17 | Leeds | Wethrin: I don't care, apart from the smell |
| 17:23.35 | Wethrin | :) |
| 17:25.01 | Jenson | you guys are just so friendly aint ya |
| 17:25.11 | Wethrin | Yes, we are. |
| 17:26.04 | Leeds | I'm not particularly |
| 17:26.24 | jason_ukfsn | I'm not particular although I am peculiar ;) |
| 17:26.27 | Jenson | Leeds: at least you admit it darling :P |
| 17:26.33 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: :) |
| 17:26.49 | Leeds | to be honest, I think you're an idiot |
| 17:26.58 | Jenson | me? |
| 17:27.03 | Leeds | yes |
| 17:27.05 | Jenson | heh why? |
| 17:27.16 | Leeds | smoking, amongst other stuff |
| 17:27.25 | Jenson | yeh well i know thats stupid |
| 17:28.50 | Wethrin | Then there wasn't any point in starting |
| 17:29.13 | Jenson | yeh, well i didnty know that then |
| 17:29.28 | Jenson | actually i did lol |
| 17:29.42 | Jenson | grrr i need Red Bull |
| 17:30.29 | Wethrin | Either of those excuses are, well, even more stupid |
| 17:30.44 | Leeds | now, you see... that may have been a valid excuse 30 or 40 years ago... |
| 17:31.07 | Jenson | Wethrin: You only say that coz you know i do actually care what you think |
| 17:31.07 | Leeds | but today - it just makes you more of an idiot |
| 17:31.18 | Jenson | Leeds: darling ive been an idiot for years |
| 17:31.23 | Wethrin | Err, not, that's not why I only say that |
| 17:31.29 | Wethrin | s/not/no/ |
| 17:31.32 | Jenson | im a slut, if you hadnt noticed |
| 17:32.18 | jason_ukfsn | I thought the term was ladette these days or am I behind the times again? |
| 17:32.45 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: yeh well that too |
| 17:32.50 | Wethrin | jason_ukfsn: Sometimes the old-fashioned terms are still the most appropriate |
| 17:32.59 | Jenson | except the fact i dont drink, or at least not regularly |
| 17:33.09 | jason_ukfsn | ah! |
| 17:33.20 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 17:33.29 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 17:33.49 | pawelsz | cheater! ;-) |
| 17:34.48 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 17:35.06 | Jenson | jason_ukfsn: Wethrin can think what he wants of me, seenas he chooses not to believe that i still care about him |
| 17:36.08 | Jenson | well, time to go home |
| 17:36.09 | Jenson | seeya guys |
| 17:36.14 | jason_ukfsn | bye Jenson |
| 17:36.44 | Wethrin | Cheater? No no no |
| 17:38.41 | pawelsz | Wethrin: just kid. ;-) |
| 17:38.56 | Leeds | see, I choose to believe that she doesn't have enough maturity to care about anyone or anything |
| 17:39.10 | pawelsz | Leeds: hello. :-) |
| 17:39.15 | Leeds | evening pawelsz :-) |
| 17:39.46 | gregj | pathetic |
| 17:39.54 | pawelsz | Leeds: i found my solaris 8 for x86. 8=) |
| 17:40.16 | Leeds | gregj: who is? |
| 17:40.26 | Leeds | pawelsz: prehistoric :-P |
| 17:40.37 | Wethrin | Leeds: Likewise |
| 17:40.43 | gregj | Leeds: this girl |
| 17:40.53 | pawelsz | Leeds: :-E |
| 17:40.54 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 17:40.58 | Leeds | well, yes |
| 17:40.59 | gregj | Leeds: and of course some sun employes ;P |
| 17:41.03 | gregj | ;) |
| 17:41.26 | Leeds | gregj: bah, KDE-using foreigners! |
| 17:41.37 | pawelsz | Leeds: i never use that, now it's good time to try. |
| 17:42.02 | gregj | linux is better |
| 17:42.19 | gregj | bah, openbsd is even better, because it got lowest number ;) |
| 17:42.37 | pawelsz | Leeds: everytime when i use some sparcs i only do 'boot floppy' and install MFLD. |
| 17:42.38 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 17:42.55 | Leeds | MFLD? |
| 17:43.08 | pawelsz | 'MFLD - My Favorite Linux Distribution' |
| 17:43.09 | pawelsz | :-P |
| 17:43.15 | Leeds | Mother-Fscking Linux Distro? |
| 17:43.19 | pawelsz | ;-) |
| 17:44.27 | Wethrin | gregj: NetBSD is lower than Open |
| 17:44.59 | pawelsz | Leeds: i know maybe what package system Sun use in own distro? |
| 17:45.24 | Leeds | pawelsz: SysV packages (often called pkgadd packages because that's the tool you install them with) |
| 17:45.35 | gregj | Wethrin: see, than it is even better |
| 17:45.43 | Wethrin | Yes...I already wrote that :) |
| 17:45.55 | gregj | ;] |
| 17:45.57 | gregj | i know |
| 17:46.00 | Wethrin | RTFML :) |
| 17:46.08 | gregj | can somebody put me on higher place as well |
| 17:46.26 | *** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ |
| 17:46.34 | pawelsz | BSD is OK, because it's clean, but i don't BSD's supported-hardware-list. :-S |
| 17:46.43 | Wethrin | don't what? |
| 17:46.47 | Leeds | error: missing verb |
| 17:47.00 | pawelsz | s/i don't/i don't like/ |
| 17:47.02 | pawelsz | :-S |
| 17:47.03 | pawelsz | ups. |
| 17:47.07 | pawelsz | missed word. |
| 17:47.14 | Wethrin | It supports lots of hardware |
| 17:48.19 | pawelsz | Wethrin: i'm not talking about architectures, i'm talking about newest hardware, like wifi cards, pcmcia cards. |
| 17:48.35 | Wethrin | Yes. Tends to often have better support than Linux does, and earlier |
| 17:48.42 | gregj | Leeds: a pint, two ? |
| 17:49.20 | gregj | Leeds: i've heard about RM new idea |
| 17:49.39 | Leeds | two, probably... I bought a two-litre bottle last week, and it went out-of-date :-( |
| 17:49.43 | Leeds | RM new idea? |
| 17:49.46 | gregj | Leeds: that if you want to have mail delivered at the same day and before 9 o'clock in morning |
| 17:49.55 | gregj | Leeds: you will have to pay 20 quid a month... |
| 17:49.56 | Leeds | ah, Royal Mail |
| 17:49.57 | gregj | no comment |
| 17:50.12 | gregj | bRoken Mail |
| 17:50.14 | Leeds | please stop making completely random abbreviations!! it makes you hard to understand |
| 17:50.27 | Wethrin | WWWCRA? |
| 17:50.35 | gregj | Leeds: ? |
| 17:50.40 | gregj | random ? |
| 17:50.46 | Leeds | RM never ever means Royal Mail |
| 17:51.08 | gregj | what else than it means ? |
| 17:51.16 | Leeds | PO does mean Post Office, but not by itself, only when added with Counters or Box or something |
| 17:51.20 | Wethrin | Research Machines |
| 17:51.32 | Wethrin | PO does mean Post Office on its own, on OS maps |
| 17:51.36 | Leeds | Wethrin: exactly... or delete file... or my first two names |
| 17:51.44 | pawelsz | Wethrin: but i think consolidation in manuals, updates, infos, bug tracking for any project, operating system is really cool. |
| 17:51.46 | gregj | hmm |
| 17:51.46 | Leeds | Wethrin: true... but not in conversation or written text |
| 17:52.00 | pawelsz | Wethrin: Linux need this. |
| 17:52.06 | Leeds | anyway... RM never ever means Royal Mail |
| 17:52.24 | murble | Royal@ then? |
| 17:52.32 | Wethrin | pawelsz: apt-get install lots-of-out-of-date-manuals-which-everyone-will-refer-you-to |
| 17:52.33 | Leeds | Royal At? |
| 17:52.34 | gregj | in this contect, it means |
| 17:52.41 | murble | Leeds: Royal Snail. |
| 17:52.46 | gregj | hehe |
| 17:53.03 | Wethrin | Don't underestimate the bandwidth of a postman with a sack full of CDs |
| 17:53.23 | murble | Wethrin: don't under estimate the latancy either. |
| 17:53.29 | Leeds | Wethrin: don't overestimate it this week... |
| 17:53.46 | Wethrin | Not much worse than how Demon was being |
| 17:54.35 | pawelsz | who know top of bandwidth and data move per time? ;-) |
| 17:55.00 | pawelsz | man in car with full bag of DVD-Rs. ;-) |
| 17:55.38 | Wethrin | I might be back late(r) this evening, maybe |
| 17:56.28 | Leeds | Wethrin: seeya |
| 17:56.59 | pawelsz | Leeds: u see. ;-) |
| 17:57.03 | pawelsz | hyhy. |
| 17:58.43 | pawelsz | Leeds: on this moment u can have problems with 'post-packets', RM strike. ;-) |
| 17:59.57 | Leeds | pawelsz: what? what is RM? |
| 18:00.09 | pawelsz | Royal Mail. |
| 18:00.48 | Leeds | ah - you're saying it's a low quality network right now... |
| 18:00.51 | gregj | Leeds: see |
| 18:01.15 | Leeds | gregj: he doesn't count - he's only copying you, and you're both wrong |
| 18:01.25 | gregj | ;P |
| 18:01.28 | gregj | yeah |
| 18:01.37 | gregj | "we british..." |
| 18:01.41 | Leeds | seriously - I'm just trying to help... there are abbreviations which English people will understand, and TATTNWU |
| 18:02.01 | pawelsz | Leeds: that's right. |
| 18:02.04 | gregj | speak to me in normal language |
| 18:02.08 | gregj | TATTNWU ? |
| 18:02.19 | Leeds | There Are Those That No-one Will Understand |
| 18:02.25 | Leeds | just as random |
| 18:03.13 | gregj | when i am talking about recent problem with mails , and using RM for short, everyone with eq higher than 80 will |
| 18:05.01 | pawelsz | gregj: do u have printer maybe? |
| 18:05.16 | Leeds | gregj: no, they won't |
| 18:05.17 | gregj | a pen , and few sheets of paper |
| 18:05.25 | pawelsz | boo. |
| 18:05.29 | Leeds | RM does not exist as an abbreviation in the UK |
| 18:05.30 | gregj | moo |
| 18:05.39 | pawelsz | :( |
| 18:05.46 | gregj | Leeds: does it have to ? |
| 18:05.57 | gregj | i know it does not exists in pure english |
| 18:05.59 | Leeds | it does to use it in conversation and expect to be understood, yes |
| 18:06.04 | gregj | but we are using here common language |
| 18:06.47 | Leeds | I'm not so worried about now... I'm worried that if you're writing letters to people asking for jobs and making up your English as you go along, it's going to cause you problems... |
| 18:07.59 | gregj | i am asking ppl to proof read them before, also my cv was edited by someone else |
| 18:08.17 | Leeds | it's like your use of f.e. - the correct term is e.g. and using f.e. just makes it look like you don't know English very well - or it just makes you unintelligible |
| 18:08.22 | Leeds | what is ppl? |
| 18:08.34 | gregj | grr |
| 18:08.36 | gregj | people |
| 18:08.42 | gregj | you know that |
| 18:08.50 | gregj | i am not using that in emails nor official letters |
| 18:08.53 | Leeds | yes, I know that |
| 18:08.58 | Leeds | so don't get into the habit of using it |
| 18:08.59 | gregj | just here |
| 18:09.17 | Leeds | why? |
| 18:09.17 | gregj | that's a fact, i got bad habbit of using f.e. instead of e.g. |
| 18:09.32 | Leeds | is it really that slow to type 3 more letters? |
| 18:09.33 | gregj | this saves me time, i don't need to type in 6, but only 3 chars |
| 18:09.49 | gregj | especially that one of them is repeated |
| 18:09.54 | Leeds | do you use the word people so often in such a rushed situation that you need to break english to make it quicker? |
| 18:09.57 | gregj | so this effectively gives 2 |
| 18:10.00 | pawelsz | if gregj have some problems, i really worried about my poor eng. ;-) |
| 18:10.43 | gregj | Leeds: if you want help me, correct my grammar ;] |
| 18:10.50 | pawelsz | i think a lots of AI speak better than me. |
| 18:11.34 | gregj | hehe |
| 18:11.56 | gregj | at least they are using correct time ;) |
| 18:12.00 | Leeds | that's the thing - I don't correct all your grammar, because it would destroy any conversation - I'm just trying to stop you getting into some really bad habits |
| 18:12.17 | gregj | i do appriciate that |
| 18:12.36 | gregj | and i had no idea about e.g. before, so it is really nice |
| 18:15.58 | Leeds | so another little thing... I is always capitalised |
| 18:16.40 | Leeds | and if that slows you down - you need to improve your typing :-P |
| 18:17.50 | gregj | hehe |
| 18:17.54 | gregj | so just like in polish |
| 18:18.04 | gregj | because for example in german , not |
| 18:18.32 | gregj | what about words, You, Me, They, We and so on |
| 18:18.37 | Leeds | well, German has strange rules anyway |
| 18:18.38 | gregj | when you refer to person(s) |
| 18:18.40 | Leeds | nope, just I |
| 18:18.44 | gregj | I see |
| 18:18.45 | Leeds | "pronouns" |
| 18:19.40 | gregj | in Polish, refering to any person is written with capital letter |
| 18:19.45 | gregj | that is why i am asking |
| 18:19.55 | gregj | so English is somewhere in between :] |
| 18:20.20 | Leeds | yes |
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| 18:21.35 | JD | anyone want to suggest what I should do with this: |
| 18:21.35 | JD | hdb: 241254720 sectors (123522 MB) w/7965KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) |
| 18:21.35 | JD | I was thinking /home |
| 18:21.41 | gregj | kde needs cvs mirror for UK :] |
| 18:22.03 | JD | gregj: I have 2 more of thise sitting on my desk waiting to go in a 1U case |
| 18:22.11 | JD | so possibly |
| 18:22.16 | gregj | i am serious |
| 18:22.31 | gregj | I was pretty mad, because anoncvs was dead for one week now |
| 18:22.41 | gregj | and I won't use my account for whole KDE |
| 18:23.35 | gregj | and there is mirror listed for UK on webpage, but link is broken |
| 18:23.42 | gregj | it does not work anymore probably |
| 18:23.42 | gregj | :/ |
| 18:23.52 | gregj | ble |
| 18:26.25 | gregj | but this is more OTish |
| 18:26.25 | JD | gregj: read what I said again |
| 18:26.25 | pawelsz | JD: Baracuda? |
| 18:26.25 | gregj | Leeds: i hope abberivation OT is understendable :] |
| 18:26.25 | JD | pawelsz: hitachi |
| 18:26.25 | JD | had: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive |
| 18:26.25 | JD | hdb: IC35L120AVV207-1, ATA DISK drive |
| 18:26.25 | gregj | Leeds: ;] |
| 18:26.25 | pawelsz | uhm. |
| 18:26.25 | Leeds | yes, OT is fine :-) |
| 18:26.29 | JD | gregj: if you find out how much bandwidth it takes up I'll consider it when I install the box |
| 18:26.49 | gregj | JD: well, we can always ask jason :] |
| 18:26.54 | gregj | Jason_ukfsn i mean :] |
| 18:26.59 | gregj | s/i/I/ |
| 18:45.22 | Jenson | Leeds: if you care to fucking insult me, do it when im fucking here alright |
| 18:45.35 | Leeds | fine |
| 18:45.44 | Jenson | thank you |
| 18:46.18 | Jenson | i understand why Wethrin has a problem with me, but i dont understand why you do |
| 18:47.08 | JD | possibly because Wethrin is Leeds' friend? |
| 18:48.02 | Jenson | JD: yeh, but any shit that went on ended fucking ages ago |
| 18:48.13 | Leeds | oh, it's nothing to do with that |
| 18:48.46 | Jenson | well what is the problem then |
| 18:49.12 | Leeds | it's just you... |
| 18:49.19 | Jenson | JD: well im going to have dinner now, but I'll be back |
| 18:49.22 | *** mode/#gllug [+o JD] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.00 | JD | just in case :) |
| 18:50.00 | Leeds | heh... and that's one of the reasons :-) |
| 18:51.21 | JD | hmmm |
| 18:51.23 | JD | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 |
| 18:51.23 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.31 | JD | can someone explain that to me? |
| 18:52.10 | Leeds | ibot 0.05 * 114 |
| 18:52.11 | | 5.7 |
| 18:52.36 | JD | you thinking root only space? |
| 18:52.43 | Leeds | remember the 5% reserved for root, unless you specifically told it not do do that when you made the fs |
| 18:53.03 | JD | hmm maybe I should reformat |
| 18:53.14 | JD | 6Gb seems an awful lot of space to lose |
| 18:53.22 | eye69_ | JD: I've wondered that too. Those 5% just don't explain it. |
| 18:54.31 | Leeds | eye69_: why not? |
| 18:54.34 | JD | eye69_: I think 5% does explain it |
| 18:54.44 | JD | it is just tat 5% is way too much for what I need |
| 18:54.44 | Leeds | I think you can probably tunefs it away, can't you? |
| 18:55.07 | JD | yes |
| 18:55.07 | Leeds | yes, you can |
| 18:56.07 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.17 | JD | better but I still can't get less than 1% |
| 18:56.37 | JD | I unserstand the 33M |
| 18:56.50 | JD | the drive is ext3 so it is the journa; |
| 18:57.35 | gregj | 10 SIN |
| 18:57.37 | gregj | 20 GOTO HELL |
| 19:01.29 | eye69_ | yoshi.whisky.uk:/home/blackhole |
| 19:01.30 | eye69_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.39 | Leeds | can't you say 0% |
| 19:02.43 | Jenson | fucking mandrake |
| 19:02.48 | JD | hmm didn;t think of that |
| 19:02.54 | Leeds | JD: really? :-) |
| 19:02.58 | JD | besides I could imagine that I would want a small bit |
| 19:03.08 | Leeds | it's an integer AFAIK... |
| 19:03.12 | JD | yes |
| 19:03.16 | JD | hence 0.5 not working |
| 19:03.25 | eye69 | I used 0 |
| 19:04.03 | Leeds | which no, doesn't make sense with 100Gb+ filesystems... but that's the way it is |
| 19:04.03 | Leeds | for a pure data filesystem I'd use 0 |
| 19:10.19 | Leeds | yes! |
| 19:10.30 | Leeds | my numbers of errors add up! :-) |
| 19:18.43 | Jenson | bloody mandrake, GAIM compiles fine with Slack, but not MDK, despite the fact i just installed the glib stuff it thinks is missing |
| 19:19.55 | JD | Jenson: you could just instal an rpm |
| 19:20.53 | Jenson | yeh now im gonna d/l one |
| 19:21.42 | Jenson | i just dont get why it cant find something i just installed |
| 19:23.22 | Jenson | JD: the only reason im installing stuff from source is its all in my home dir from my slack install so i just need to reinstall stuff |
| 19:23.37 | zachary | Jenson: What version of Mandy are you using? |
| 19:23.43 | JD | Jenson: there is a reason for packaging stuff |
| 19:23.53 | JD | which is to save you all this hassle |
| 19:24.03 | Jenson | zachary: 9,1 i think |
| 19:24.48 | Jenson | JD: i only swithced to MDK coz i was bored, what i rewally wanted to do was install a 2.6 kernel, but i think i need to read the howto first |
| 19:25.09 | Jenson | oh well i'll have d/led an rpm for it in 5 mins |
| 19:25.17 | Jenson | im gonna try to compile mplayer now |
| 19:25.27 | Jenson | coz i crashed X half way through it last itme |
| 19:27.52 | Jenson | MDK is also slow |
| 19:28.18 | Jenson | oh yay mozilla is crashing |
| 19:30.21 | JD | Jenson: run swapon -s |
| 19:31.45 | Jenson | Bloody hell, its actually swapping which is why its so damn slow |
| 19:31.53 | Jenson | i never had this problem in Slack, even when i was compliling |
| 19:35.52 | JD | Jenson: and how did you get to this conclusion? |
| 19:36.20 | Jenson | which conclusion? |
| 19:38.46 | Jenson | where can i download cdrecord from, ive got k3b installed, but none of the stuff it needs to actually use for burning |
| 19:39.36 | JD | that you were swapping |
| 19:39.45 | JD | presumably from ftp.mandrake.com |
| 19:40.30 | Jenson | coz it tells you how much swap space you are using |
| 19:41.31 | Jenson | my HDD is shit too i dont think that helps |
| 19:43.00 | Jenson | plus im getting that annoying peeling down the screen thing that windows always gets |
| 19:45.08 | Jenson | i never realized that when i kept my home dir it would also keep all my X settings the same and store all the moz bookmarks and stuff, which isnt necessarily good, coz i was starting to have issues with X and Slack |
| 19:49.08 | Clyphox | Anyone remember how I can mount/format some of my ram and use it like a hdd or something? |
| 19:49.50 | JD | Clyphox: mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt |
| 19:49.51 | Clyphox | can't even remember what to google for |
| 19:50.05 | Clyphox | JD: does it expand as needed? |
| 19:50.08 | JD | yes |
| 19:50.19 | Clyphox | excelent.. all the less effort for me |
| 19:50.20 | Clyphox | cheers |
| 19:50.24 | JD | tmpfs is better than a ramdisk |
| 19:50.37 | Jenson | Clyphox: should have done what i did and told Costa to get my a new HDD |
| 19:50.41 | JD | tmpfs 443M 8.0K 443M 1% /tmp |
| 19:50.41 | Clyphox | aahh ramdisk... thats what I was thinking of |
| 19:50.54 | Clyphox | Jenson: sorry? |
| 19:51.14 | Clyphox | gonna stick quake3 into tmpfs now.. :-) ttl |
| 19:51.24 | Jenson | ahhhhh ramdisks, reminds me of the evilness of trying to install Slack from boot floppies |
| 19:51.44 | Jenson | RPMs are boring, they look like Windows installers lol |
| 19:51.59 | JD | Jenson: oh just get on with it |
| 19:52.44 | Jenson | i am, at least until ive burned a copy of Slack 9.1 |
| 19:52.52 | Jenson | coz i have the burner, and Costa has the iso |
| 19:53.07 | Clyphox | *cough*gentoo* |
| 19:53.53 | Jenson | fucking good idrea maye |
| 19:54.52 | Jenson | i can tell that this will have driven me mad in a few days |
| 19:55.35 | JD | Mmmmmmm |
| 19:55.36 | JD | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 |
| 19:55.36 | JD | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.53 | Jenson | grrrr, i still have to d/l like 10 programs that k3b is dependent on, i dont see why mdk bothered to install in anyway |
| 19:55.59 | Jenson | I'll BBL |
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| 20:03.24 | Leeds | bloody knackered xchat |
| 20:03.37 | JD | irssi? |
| 20:04.14 | Leeds | no |
| 20:05.35 | gregj | so suffer ;P |
| 20:06.26 | Leeds | no, it's actually broken in some way - it's not displaying any windows |
| 20:06.50 | gregj | ksirc, konversation, kopete ? |
| 20:07.13 | Leeds | kno |
| 20:07.23 | gregj | kwhy |
| 20:07.31 | gregj | :> |
| 20:07.48 | Leeds | because I'm khappy with kxchat, but my particular kinstall is kbroken... I need to kfix kit |
| 20:08.07 | gregj | ktoo kbad |
| 20:08.29 | Leeds | I don't have any kstuff |
| 20:09.25 | gregj | sure you kdo |
| 20:09.36 | gregj | on mac |
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| 20:14.07 | Leeds | nope... I have Safari |
| 20:15.01 | gregj | running khtml on QT with KLIBS ;P |
| 20:15.34 | Leeds | certainly not QT... |
| 20:15.39 | gregj | it is QT |
| 20:15.44 | Leeds | it's not a QT interface |
| 20:15.46 | gregj | it is not native macis thing |
| 20:15.49 | gregj | ech |
| 20:15.50 | gregj | man |
| 20:15.54 | gregj | it is, belive me |
| 20:16.01 | gregj | behind |
| 20:16.18 | gregj | khtml uses klibs which inherits qt |
| 20:16.45 | gregj | and it's fast! |
| 20:16.45 | gregj | wow |
| 20:16.52 | gregj | cannot be, qt cannot be fast :> |
| 20:17.02 | gregj | but it is ;P |
| 20:17.20 | Leeds | it's not a k-thing |
| 20:17.51 | gregj | yes it is, amen. |
| 20:18.10 | gregj | you can download sources off apples website, if you don't belive |
| 20:18.20 | murble | good evening |
| 20:18.26 | Leeds | it's still not a k-thing... if anything, it's an i-thing |
| 20:18.38 | gregj | ithing ? |
| 20:18.40 | gregj | no |
| 20:18.56 | gregj | you have bit of kde there, and cannot refuse it |
| 20:19.04 | gregj | you have to live with that |
| 20:19.31 | gregj | you can alwaays use mozilla or IE on mac :] |
| 20:19.33 | Leeds | it's not part of kde |
| 20:19.44 | gregj | ech |
| 20:19.54 | gregj | it is pointless to argue with you, but you are not right |
| 20:20.20 | Leeds | yes, the underlying html engine is khtml |
| 20:20.25 | Leeds | but it's not part of the kde project |
| 20:20.28 | gregj | which is part of kde |
| 20:20.35 | gregj | so you have bit of kde there |
| 20:20.38 | Leeds | it's a native Mac app |
| 20:20.39 | gregj | full stop |
| 20:20.43 | gregj | nope |
| 20:20.46 | Leeds | it's not part of KDE |
| 20:20.55 | Leeds | that's like saying Komodo is a form of Netscape |
| 20:21.00 | gregj | ech... |
| 20:21.06 | gregj | nope, you are wrong |
| 20:21.20 | Leeds | why? |
| 20:21.21 | gregj | it uses QT and klibs, otherwise you will have to rewrite it |
| 20:21.28 | gregj | because it use QT, full stop |
| 20:21.39 | Leeds | and yes, AFAIK that's exactly what they did |
| 20:21.54 | gregj | but khtml uses klibs bits as well |
| 20:22.01 | gregj | so there are some klib bits |
| 20:22.28 | gregj | and btw, FYI khtml IS part of klibs. This tells as that this is KDE |
| 20:23.29 | gregj | trolltech released free version of QT (GPLed) for Mac , just because they wanted to use bits of KDE there |
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| 21:48.45 | Wethrin | ARSE! |
| 21:52.03 | JD | what? |
| 21:53.03 | Wethrin | Reduced Shakespeare Company: Great Books of the World was playing today at the Wycombe Swan |
| 21:53.09 | Wethrin | And I didn't realise it :( |
| 21:53.18 | Wethrin | I thought I still had a few more days |
| 22:13.26 | murble | I've never been in the wycombe swan... |
| 22:13.37 | Wethrin | It's quite nice inside |
| 22:13.37 | murble | other than the car park (which is horrible and narrow) |
| 22:14.26 | Wethrin | Well, yes. But technically it's a public car park, not specifically for the Swan |
| 22:14.34 | Wethrin | s/specifically/exclusively |
| 22:24.42 | Jenson | evning |
| 22:24.48 | Jenson | erm evening roo |
| 22:30.03 | Wethrin | ...siad piglet |
| 22:30.08 | Wethrin | *said |
| 22:30.28 | Jenson | maybe i should give up typing now# |
| 22:34.50 | Wethrin | Not familiar with Winnie the Pooh? |
| 22:35.29 | Leeds | ... some joke about Latin ... |
| 22:36.07 | Wethrin | Ecce Romani! |
| 22:37.08 | Wethrin | Well, if we were being latinesque, then "salve!" |
| 22:37.58 | Leeds | what did Winnie the Pooh ever do for us? |
| 22:38.28 | Wethrin | Well, there was the merchandising |
| 22:39.02 | Leeds | Apart from the merchandising? (it's where the real money from the movie is made!) |
| 22:39.26 | Wethrin | What, not from people wanting to go and see a wonderful quality movie? :) |
| 22:40.29 | Leeds | missed the reference? |
| 22:41.17 | Wethrin | No, I didn't. :) |
| 22:41.30 | Wethrin | I couldn't think of anything else :) |
| 22:41.49 | Leeds | I see your Shwartz is nearly as big as mine? |
| 22:42.08 | Jenson | and FYI RM stands for Research Machines if we're gonna use it correctly |
| 22:42.42 | Leeds | whoa, massive brain-lag... but yes, you're right |
| 22:43.14 | Jenson | Leeds: no lol, massive not typing it earlier lol |
| 22:43.20 | Jenson | we use RM in this county |
| 22:43.27 | Jenson | well, not the one im in right now |
| 22:43.36 | Jenson | but the one 100 metres down the road |
| 22:43.38 | Leeds | we used them at school... |
| 22:43.43 | Jenson | yeh as did we |
| 22:44.04 | Jenson | i wasn 7 when we had 186s |
| 22:45.33 | JD | anyone know why scp doesn;t want to work between two machines? |
| 22:45.42 | Leeds | -v doesn't tell you anything? |
| 22:45.43 | JD | ssh works perfectly |
| 22:45.55 | JD | debug1: Sending command: scp -v -t ~ |
| 22:45.55 | JD | debug1: channel 0: request exec |
| 22:45.55 | JD | debug2: callback done |
| 22:45.55 | JD | debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
| 22:45.55 | JD | debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072 |
| 22:45.57 | Leeds | permissions? |
| 22:46.07 | JD | it just sits there |
| 22:46.21 | Leeds | what's -t? |
| 22:46.45 | JD | no idea |
| 22:47.10 | highbury | -t seems to only get used/passed to the daemon end |
| 22:47.15 | Leeds | what are you trying to copy? |
| 22:47.30 | highbury | I've seen this when testing loginsehll wrappers |
| 22:47.32 | Wethrin | Leeds: Did you go and see Yogurt? |
| 22:47.47 | highbury | login-shell |
| 22:48.13 | Jenson | i cant do scp, i always get it wrong |
| 22:48.35 | highbury | try increasing the debug level, scp support at least 3 levels of debugging |
| 22:48.46 | JD | yes that is with level 3 |
| 22:48.47 | Wethrin | There's not much to get wrong |
| 22:48.56 | Wethrin | scp file user@host:destination |
| 22:49.00 | Leeds | JD: recent openssh at both ends? |
| 22:49.09 | Wethrin | or scp user@host:source destination |
| 22:49.19 | highbury | Wethrin: it can get much more complicated |
| 22:49.34 | Wethrin | highbury: True, but that suffices for the basics |
| 22:49.49 | Leeds | hmm... can scp do user2@host1:file1 to user2@host2:file2? |
| 22:50.00 | highbury | who's having the problem, whats the precise command |
| 22:50.09 | Wethrin | Not sure; don't think so |
| 22:50.28 | highbury | ssh_config and sshd_config can all have an effect |
| 22:51.36 | JD | hmm this liiks likely |
| 22:51.39 | JD | Nov 3 22:51:16 mojo-jojo pam_limits[15697]: setrlimit limit #6 to soft=-1, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted; uid=1000 euid=1000 |
| 22:51.54 | JD | now to work out wtf that means |
| 22:52.10 | gregj | weird |
| 22:52.16 | gregj | you got limits -1 |
| 22:52.21 | gregj | it means, no limit i think |
| 22:52.28 | gregj | or |
| 22:52.37 | gregj | oh, something was trying to change rlimit |
| 22:52.46 | Leeds | ah, pam |
| 22:52.54 | gregj | pam r00lez |
| 22:53.00 | gregj | JD: http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/kopete/screens/0.8-7.png |
| 22:53.50 | Leeds | I can always tell when my TiVo has too much free disk space - it starts recording random films, rather than 30 or 60 minute shows :-) |
| 22:53.56 | Wethrin | Pam? BAH! |
| 22:55.12 | gregj | hehe |
| 22:55.21 | gregj | tivo is a nice animal |
| 22:55.21 | gregj | :] |
| 22:55.23 | gregj | Pet |
| 23:02.19 | Leeds | yes... sometimes it's good, sometimes it makes a puddle in the corner of the room... sometimes it gets obsessed with Buffy... :-) |
| 23:02.41 | Jenson | Buffy, gotta finish watching that when i go to bed |
| 23:03.17 | murble | Leeds: can tivos still be found in the wild? |
| 23:03.32 | Leeds | no new ones :-( |
| 23:05.33 | Jenson | night nasr_zZz |
| 23:07.06 | highbury | dang! just went up to make the bed, to discover I'd bought a flat sheet rather than a fitted sheet |
| 23:09.17 | Leeds | doh |
| 23:09.55 | Wethrin | :) |
| 23:10.14 | highbury | fortunately I was testing it, before putting it in the wash |
| 23:10.29 | Jenson | least you are making yours im gonna lave that til morning |
| 23:12.53 | Wethrin | Right. I need sleep before I collapse on the keyboard |
| 23:12.58 | Wethrin | g'night all |
| 23:13.32 | Jenson | night Wethrin |
| 23:28.03 | JD | okay I'm an idiot |
| 23:28.36 | Jenson | if you say so darling, whatd you do? |
| 23:29.44 | JD | Jenson: I don't see much point in explaining it |
| 23:30.06 | Jenson | k then |
| 23:30.21 | Leeds | JD: ? |
| 23:34.06 | JD | zachary: nah I miss all the fun then |
| 23:51.06 | murble | is it liek watching tv? |
| 23:55.02 | Jenson | time for bed, finish watching Buffy and sleep, night all! |
