00:00.07 | Leeds | murb: :-) |
00:00.16 | murb | and it is faster... |
00:00.22 | Leeds | hmm... 35 quid on the train... |
00:00.27 | murb | although don't get a train that stops at ashford |
00:00.38 | murb | 35 quid on the train for what? |
00:01.00 | Leeds | 50 quid to fly, given similar times |
00:01.33 | Leeds | London->Paris return, going on Thursday morning, coming back Sunday evening, last week in November, with a 50% off voucher |
00:08.11 | Leeds | hmm... maybe I should stay till Monday morning |
07:04.26 | eye69 | rom |
07:22.59 | JD | hi eye69 |
07:23.17 | eye69 | Hello |
07:24.11 | eye69 | This'll be fun. 206 packages upgraded in Sid. |
07:29.56 | JD | awww |
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08:50.03 | JD | hi Leeds |
08:50.11 | JD | hmmm Lag |
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09:46.47 | Xiaoqi | JD: lag is fun :) |
09:47.10 | Xiaoqi | fun in the kind of way that banging your head against a very hard spiky wall is fun |
09:48.31 | JD | Xiaoqi: hmmm interesting ideas of fun you have |
09:59.26 | Xiaoqi | :) |
10:03.40 | Jenson | morning |
10:06.18 | JD | eeck it's a Jenson |
10:06.27 | JD | quick, hide |
10:06.32 | Jenson | lol good morning to you too JD |
10:07.09 | Xiaoqi | lol |
10:09.26 | JD | in a platonic way I hope? |
10:09.30 | Jenson | yeppers |
10:09.45 | Jenson | i do that to all my male friends these days |
10:11.45 | JD | Jenson: how do you reach? step ladder? |
10:11.49 | JD | or make then bend over |
10:11.53 | Jenson | lol |
10:11.57 | Jenson | git :P |
10:12.08 | Jenson | i met zimm and his new g/f yesterday |
10:12.13 | Jenson | she's really nice |
10:12.35 | Jenson | and now he's finally got his pc back he can irritate her with Debian lol |
10:16.03 | Jenson | actually, she reminds me of me, only better looking and more intelligent |
10:19.09 | eye69 | Right, I can't get ADSL in my area even though BT said I could when I phoned to activate my phoneline. |
10:19.23 | Jenson | eye69: silly wankers |
10:25.07 | eye69 | Exchange is scheduled to be upgraded 14th Jan |
10:25.37 | Jenson | eye69: we can get it here, i just cant afford to yet |
10:33.32 | Huhn | moin |
10:34.15 | Jenson | moin Huhn |
10:34.18 | Jenson | HOW ARE YOU? |
10:34.20 | Jenson | oops |
10:34.31 | Huhn | hi Jenson, fine, yourself? |
10:34.44 | Jenson | fine thanks |
10:34.53 | Jenson | are you going to be at the next gllug? |
10:35.54 | Huhn | don't think so, have to sort some things out in .de |
10:36.10 | Jenson | cool |
10:36.30 | Jenson | i think i'll be there during the day, but not the pub |
10:40.11 | Jenson | anyway, i really ought to go do something useful |
10:40.14 | Jenson | seeyall later |
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11:04.54 | JD | hmmm my dad seems incapable of realising that if the door was closed when he came into the room that it should be closed when he leaves |
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11:18.13 | Clyphox | howzir |
11:18.17 | Clyphox | er howzit |
11:18.57 | JD | arm aches from playing with my ball |
11:19.58 | Clyphox | The 'ickle ball ? like mine? |
11:21.02 | JD | nah mine is huge |
11:21.21 | Clyphox | I got mine at the Expo :-( |
11:21.29 | Clyphox | it was free though :-) |
11:23.00 | murb | anyone for beer in londond today? |
11:24.17 | Clyphox | not me sorry |
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11:29.08 | eye69 | Not me |
11:31.04 | JD | nor me |
11:49.43 | Huhn | nope, sorry |
11:52.45 | JD | Huhn: which contry are you in? |
11:52.57 | Huhn | JD: .de at the mo |
11:53.14 | JD | as I though |
11:53.42 | Huhn | there are lots of pics of me ;) |
11:53.43 | JD | you want a copy? |
11:53.49 | Huhn | yes, why not |
11:54.04 | Huhn | jurzik@guug.de |
11:54.24 | Huhn | *rotfl* |
11:54.32 | Huhn | http://qrxx.4t.com/barbieOS.htm |
11:56.39 | Clyphox | "Barbie would also be tired of Microsoft's licensing bullshit," he added. |
11:57.24 | Huhn | yep :) |
11:57.30 | Huhn | best sentence |
11:57.32 | murb | hmm |
11:57.39 | murb | s/licensing/marketing/ |
11:57.54 | JD | http://www.davidpashley.com/IMGP0201.JPG |
11:58.38 | Huhn | You don't have permission to access /IMGP0201.JPG on this server. |
11:59.00 | JD | try now |
11:59.37 | Huhn | oh dear |
11:59.40 | Huhn | thanks ;) |
12:00.03 | JD | Huhn: np |
12:03.15 | Clyphox | hmmm |
12:03.16 | Clyphox | http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/gaybaby2.htm |
12:03.42 | Clyphox | WTF? : "My husband and I realized that Michael was homosexual before he was even one year old" |
12:05.05 | Clyphox | how the FUCK do you get GAY toddlers?!?! |
12:05.50 | Wethrin | Erm. It's a pisstake. |
12:06.09 | Clyphox | "I look forward to the day when all children will be implanted with microprocessors that moderate their speech and behavior and suppress aggressive, anti-social impulses with a shot of seratonin to the frontal cortex" |
12:06.19 | Wethrin | murb: What about Wycombebeer? |
12:06.41 | murb | Wethrin: or beconsfield beer? |
12:06.44 | murb | I'm in london atm |
12:06.52 | murb | so will be coming back in that direction. |
12:07.00 | Wethrin | Beaconsfield beer might be good too. What time, though? |
12:07.10 | murb | well i've not breakfasted yet. |
12:07.21 | Clyphox | ohh.. so I don't need to spam Jorge Lopez hehe |
12:09.14 | Wethrin | Neither have I. |
12:09.28 | murb | well, i'm south of the river |
12:09.28 | Huhn | JD: you as KDE expert... can you explain XDG menus? just reading some release notes and I don't quite understand what it's all about.. |
12:10.19 | Wethrin | Although some people are coming around 4ish today. So I wouldn't be able to make beer if it was around 3. I could make beer if it was around 7/8 onwards. |
12:10.59 | JD | Huhn: asically it is a standard location and file format for menu entries shared between KDE and gnome |
12:11.10 | Huhn | XML? |
12:11.30 | JD | I don't think so |
12:11.32 | Huhn | how does vfolder connect to this? |
12:11.37 | JD | hmmmm |
12:11.41 | Huhn | or is that another feature..? |
12:11.59 | JD | :) |
12:12.18 | Wethrin | Aren't GUIs just for opening lots of xterms? |
12:12.24 | JD | Wethrin: aye |
12:12.34 | Wethrin | That, and web browsing |
12:12.36 | murb | Huhn: get a job writting artgicles for "linux magazine without users" then. |
12:13.14 | Huhn | I don't want to writt artgicles :) |
12:13.39 | murb | can you make murblish the offical lanaguage of the magzine? |
12:14.03 | murb | there are so few linux publications in native murblish, i'm sure they'd be a market |
12:14.05 | Huhn | mh, we could write a perl script that does murblish automatically.. |
12:14.07 | murb | for them. |
12:14.35 | Wethrin | :) |
12:14.40 | Wethrin | The murblizer? |
12:14.50 | Wethrin | Bleh. Camden Town tube derailment |
12:14.50 | murb | I think google will go bust in 2 to 5 years if they don't have murblish interntionali=satinos |
12:14.56 | murb | indeed :(I |
12:15.26 | Wethrin | Didn't seem to make the national news, though |
12:15.34 | murb | it has made news.bbc |
12:15.47 | JD | Huhn: I thinik vfolders are used to provide structure to the menus |
12:15.48 | Wethrin | Yes, that's where I saw it. |
12:15.55 | Wethrin | After reading on #keble :) |
12:15.57 | JD | and the menus are in just one folder |
12:18.06 | Huhn | JD: I'm trying to understand what vfolder does.. can't find anything useful so far |
12:18.25 | Huhn | theoretically it should provide that you can reach menu things in 2 levels |
12:18.30 | Huhn | but how does it work? |
12:19.03 | JD | Huhn: aiui all the .desktop files are put in one directory and each .desktop says where it should be in the menu structure |
12:19.10 | JD | but I could be wrong |
12:19.29 | Wethrin | Mm. Food time |
12:19.44 | JD | or it could be that the vfolder stuff is a way of decided where to put entries based on different criteria |
12:29.02 | Leeds | hi JD |
12:29.27 | Clyphox | wb Leeds |
12:29.28 | JD | wow that is some loag |
12:29.30 | JD | lag |
12:29.53 | Leeds | it's called "woke up early, had breakfast, went back to sleep: |
12:29.55 | Leeds | " |
12:43.23 | JD | that is a long lunch |
12:44.30 | Leeds | well, it also included tea, dinner, a couple of synagogue services, reading Ecclesiastes and so on |
12:45.55 | Leeds | all unexpectedly :-) |
12:48.31 | murb | but you were fed. |
12:48.36 | murb | so what does it matter? |
12:48.48 | eye69 | Are there any "good" options for unmetered dialup? |
12:51.09 | Leeds | what do you mean by good? |
12:52.25 | eye69 | Well, that work without problems with a standard modem, and don't require Windows, and that preferably wont limit you to a number of hours per month. |
12:53.15 | Leeds | I'm not sure you'll get 24/7 dial-up from anywhere for a reasonable price, if that's what you mean |
12:53.33 | murb | I know somsone who users demons service 24x7 but it is quite expensive. |
13:04.51 | JD | murb: approx 45GBP a month |
13:06.24 | Huhn | do ppl here know how to check if a CD has copy protection? (I mean for online shops...) |
13:08.33 | murb | Huhn: you want to buy sokjmthing, but want to know if it is going to play in a comipute4r? |
13:10.32 | Huhn | murb: exactly |
13:10.50 | Huhn | there is one database I found, but the 2 CDs are not in it.. |
13:11.01 | Huhn | I don't want to buy CDs with copy protection |
13:11.47 | Leeds | Huhn: buy 'em, if they're protected, return them noisily |
13:12.05 | murb | if they display the compact disk digitial audio you should be ok |
13:12.09 | murb | logo |
13:12.29 | murb | if they display that and they've brokne the standard they should expect philips lawyers to be in contract with them. |
13:12.30 | Huhn | murb: I can't see that logo in an onlin store.. |
13:12.47 | murb | Huhn: and you can't get it in a shop? |
13:12.49 | Huhn | so, the only chance is go to the shops these days.. |
13:13.03 | Huhn | murb: I don't fancy going out, I like online shopping, cause I'm lazy |
13:13.07 | Huhn | all I want is information |
13:13.13 | Leeds | you should still be able to return it, but not as noisily, and with more work |
13:13.29 | Huhn | Leeds: sure, but that's not the point ;) |
13:13.35 | murb | Huhn: clearly you need a slave to go out on you r belhalf and buy the cd from a place that lets you take it back if you don't like it. |
13:13.36 | Huhn | I would like to know in advance.. |
13:13.46 | murb | s/slave/minion/ |
13:14.02 | Huhn | it would be great if shops like amazon had some information on that.. |
13:14.23 | murb | is google of any use? |
13:15.36 | Huhn | trying already |
13:23.11 | Huhn | mh, pity, in that case you can't buy online anymore.. |
13:24.26 | JD | Huhn: I could only help you if you brought them in a UK shop |
13:24.46 | Huhn | JD: what do you mean? |
13:25.05 | JD | well I could explain how UK consumer law works |
13:25.20 | JD | but that probably wouldn;t help you in .de and using the internet |
13:32.54 | Huhn | JD: nevermind, I called a friend and asked whether he knows sth (it's a Loreena McKennit CD and he's a fan) and he said the CD would most likely be ok, so I'll risk it ;) |
13:33.18 | Clyphox | blah |
13:33.25 | Wethrin | blah? |
13:33.32 | JD | Huhn: well if you are in a UK shop ask if it is a CD |
13:34.56 | Huhn | JD: yep, my point is more: I want to buy in online shops and I want information about this, that was all ;) |
13:35.14 | JD | Huhn: I know which is why my knowledge is useless to you |
13:35.17 | JD | :) |
13:35.41 | Leeds | Huhn: call the online shop? |
13:35.54 | Leeds | I would expect I could call amazon.co.uk to ask them... |
13:40.39 | Huhn | Leeds: I'll send them mail that they should definitely include those infos on their sites, otherwise it's getting useless for customers |
13:40.48 | Leeds | good idea |
13:44.54 | Leeds | they can be |
13:46.17 | Huhn | Wethrin: where are you buying? |
13:48.52 | Wethrin | play.com |
13:49.11 | Wethrin | Well, individually they're not too bad. But the accumulated price... |
13:50.26 | Leeds | true |
13:51.02 | Wethrin | But it's still quite tempting to buy the Hitchhiker's Guide and complete Blackadder. |
13:51.47 | Huhn | yep, I know play.com.. |
13:53.09 | Wethrin | Are they reliable? |
13:53.38 | Leeds | very |
13:53.43 | Leeds | in my experience |
13:54.05 | Wethrin | Good. |
13:54.29 | Leeds | and the no shipping charge means it's easy to just pick one thing and buy it, which is nice |
13:54.39 | Wethrin | Yes. |
13:55.38 | Wethrin | Bah. I'm just a poor student. I can't keep buying DVDs :) |
13:56.18 | Leeds | very true :-) |
13:56.21 | Wethrin | So if anyone's feeling generous and want to contribute to a student's happiness buy buying DVDs.... :) |
13:57.25 | Leeds | release a shitload of (or some very high quality) free stuff, and put up a wishlist |
14:00.51 | Wethrin | Hmm. |
14:02.36 | Leeds | just a thought :-) |
14:04.11 | Wethrin | Hm. Releasing free stuff might be harder... |
14:06.02 | Leeds | harder than what? |
14:06.14 | Wethrin | That not releasing :) |
14:06.20 | Leeds | well yeah |
14:06.34 | Wethrin | What sort of free stuff were you thinking of? |
14:06.47 | Leeds | alternatively, release some non-free stuff, use money to buy DVDs... |
14:09.04 | Leeds | I've got plenty on my own to-do list, thanks |
14:09.47 | Wethrin | Oh well. |
14:15.14 | murb | Wethrin: no work from suse after all then? |
14:17.52 | Leeds | on 'TV' |
14:18.08 | Huhn | Leeds: poor PC, should've installed Linux |
14:18.16 | murb | Leeds: how close is your mac to you? |
14:18.23 | Wethrin | murb: Yes, got work with SuSE |
14:18.30 | Leeds | it's still at "left Utrecht" |
14:18.45 | Wethrin | But that'll only just about cover monthly transport costs |
14:19.32 | Wethrin | Become a student |
14:19.49 | murb | student -> study; |
14:19.55 | murb | no thank yhou. |
14:21.20 | Wethrin | Get a job. |
14:22.43 | Leeds | Wethrin: duh |
14:23.39 | murb | Wethrin: I had one and didn't like it. |
14:23.55 | Wethrin | Get one you do like |
14:24.10 | murb | oh and i was losing money doing it. |
14:24.18 | Tarragon | murb: Does his mn rathr than work every hour an not get pai you just don't get paid and save the hassle? |
14:24.46 | Leeds | Tarragon: keyboard trouble? |
14:24.55 | murb | Tarragon: yeah, i get to cut out the middle man |
14:24.56 | Wethrin | Leeds: No, he's talking in murblish |
14:24.58 | JD | Leeds: he is using murbish |
14:25.00 | murb | and also the expences of living abroad. |
14:25.03 | JD | murblish |
14:25.09 | Leeds | ah, oops, sotrry |
14:25.13 | Tarragon | Yes. Wireless - think the batteries are dying again. |
14:26.58 | murb | is anyone going to the apple ukuug thing? |
14:27.29 | Wethrin | I would do, but can't. |
14:27.34 | Leeds | maybe if it weren't during working hours |
14:27.47 | Wethrin | Ywp |
14:27.55 | Leeds | pity really.. |
14:29.44 | murb | Leeds: but other sun people seem to be able to get time off to attend it.. |
14:29.55 | murb | not as holiday etc. |
14:30.00 | Leeds | really? |
14:30.05 | Leeds | not for me... |
14:30.44 | Leeds | and given that I don't actually have a Mac yet ;-) |
15:29.49 | Wethrin | Well tell them to hurry up |
15:30.00 | Wethrin | Oh, OS 10.3 will be out RSN |
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15:41.01 | Leeds | 24th at 8pm |
15:41.21 | Wethrin | Yes |
15:41.39 | Leeds | or available *now* on bittorrent :-) |
15:48.25 | Leeds | bye |
15:55.35 | Wethrin | Byee |
15:55.40 | Wethrin | Heh. |
15:55.48 | Wethrin | I'm considering buying it. |
16:02.46 | Leeds | well, since I should get it for 14 quid... I think it'll be worth buying it |
16:09.33 | Wethrin | Mm. |
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17:04.45 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
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18:43.48 | cozmonort | hello |
18:54.03 | Wethrin | Hello |
19:03.41 | Leeds | hello |
19:04.09 | Leeds | my ADSL went down :-( |
19:04.56 | Wethrin | :-( |
19:05.01 | Wethrin | What are you using now? |
19:05.05 | Wethrin | Dialup? |
19:05.13 | Leeds | not for very long, and AFAICT excactly 7 days after I last brought it up |
19:05.19 | Leeds | it's back up now |
19:05.25 | Wethrin | Ah, good. |
19:05.37 | Leeds | but that 7 days is interesting |
19:07.15 | Wethrin | Roll-over problem? |
19:07.34 | Wethrin | See if it happens next week, too. |
19:07.37 | Leeds | the actual ADSL didn't go down, just the PPP... |
19:08.03 | murb | Leeds: which excuse for an isp are you using? |
19:08.25 | Leeds | Bulldog |
19:15.56 | Wethrin | Hmm. Javadoc isn't so bad. |
19:25.26 | Leeds | oooh... Blair's been in hospital this afternoon with some heart trouble... |
19:25.41 | Wethrin | *hopeful* |
19:27.06 | Leeds | in which direction? |
19:27.52 | Wethrin | Let's just say that I'm none too fond of our prime minister |
19:28.59 | Leeds | I think the strongest appropriate hope is minor incapacitaion |
19:29.00 | Jenson | are any of us? |
19:29.41 | Wethrin | Well, if he's forced to leave office, that's good enough for me. |
19:29.56 | Wethrin | He does have kids, so they do need a father. |
19:30.30 | Wethrin | Eek. I'm starting to kinda like Java. |
19:30.31 | Leeds | Wethrin: that's pretty much what I meant, yes |
19:30.56 | Jenson | grrr msn news and mozilla dont get on, i think i'll use cnn |
19:31.18 | Wethrin | Bah. news.google and news.bbc |
19:32.04 | Jenson | i used to read cnn, but tend to read the news on a windows machine so use msn |
19:32.56 | murb | Wethrin: did you like it before you started your course? |
19:33.38 | Wethrin | I didn't have too much of an opinion on in. Only a mild aversion. |
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20:35.41 | Tarragon | In the quest for knowldge I can report that 1999 Everard Daredevil beer (best before Oct 2001) is undrinkable. Owd Roger 1996 (best before Aug 1999) is fantastic! |
20:36.17 | Leeds | so if you're offline for a day or two we know why? |
20:38.39 | Tarragon | But seen as I fade in and out anyway and the keyboard is dying, how would you know? |
20:39.28 | Wethrin | Mmm. Bitshifts. |
20:44.26 | Tarragon | 4 cycle clock penalty on Intel P4, 0.5 for hift but 3cycle for setup. imul is sometimes better |
20:47.38 | Tarragon | How will the new M$ emails in Office 2003 that self destruct work? |
20:50.02 | murb | this computer will self distruct in 15 minutes |
20:50.13 | Leeds | sent encrypted, only readable by MS clients... then anything is possible, in theory |
20:51.38 | murb | have they not heard of copy and paste? |
20:51.46 | murb | or screenshots? |
20:53.17 | Jenson | murb: ah, but a windows machine will probably crash in the process |
21:00.10 | Jenson | whats the command to run a second X session? |
21:00.45 | Wethrin | startx -- :1 |
21:01.02 | Jenson | ffs, i just noticed that any user logged into my system has access to my home dir |
21:03.47 | Jenson | grr, bloody GUI, now i need to work out how to permissions in console yay |
21:04.19 | Wethrin | Whaaa? |
21:04.23 | Wethrin | Make sense, girl. |
21:04.50 | Jenson | well, i dont think other users, other than root are meant to be able to access my home dir lol |
21:08.32 | Wethrin | man chmod |
21:09.02 | Jenson | ive moved on from that now lol doing something else |
21:11.25 | Wethrin | Ah. You've fixed ti then |
21:12.43 | Jenson | yeh, and now ive been reminded about how to start a second X session i can let my mother use it without her whinging about the colourscheme, i did try to convince her to use her own login |
21:12.47 | Jenson | but it didnt work lol |
21:13.10 | Leeds | change your password, change the root password - make her use her own account |
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21:14.56 | Jenson | she doesnt know the passwords, i leave it booted up, if they reboot into windows then they can stay there |
21:16.12 | Wethrin | Heh |
21:16.15 | Leeds | password the bios - make it boot into Linux |
21:16.30 | murb | a ghost? |
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21:17.22 | Jenson | Leeds: when my lilo was dead, and i booted into linux from the slack cd, i used to forget to take it out the cdrom drive, that confused my parents a couple of times |
21:17.25 | Jenson | heya Huhn |
21:17.26 | Jenson | heya Xiaoqi |
21:17.28 | Huhn | re |
21:17.28 | Xiaoqi | hihi |
21:17.29 | Leeds | heh |
21:17.57 | Xiaoqi | gah -server died and I've lost all my screen sessions! |
21:18.07 | Xiaoqi | grumble grumble humph |
21:18.17 | Jenson | well, make a ner one lol |
21:18.21 | Jenson | erm new one even |
21:18.33 | Jenson | thats why i stopped using Alex's server, kept being dead |
21:18.50 | Xiaoqi | hmm :/ |
21:18.53 | Xiaoqi | not a lot of fun |
21:19.18 | Xiaoqi | it hasn't started working again yet, it is busy refusing to be on the network :( |
21:19.20 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
21:19.35 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: well, ive just, yet again, completely redesigned my desktop colourscheme so thats cool |
21:20.01 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
21:20.22 | Xiaoqi | mmm strawberries! |
21:21.21 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: did i tell you i saw zimm and his g/f emma yesterday? |
21:21.35 | Xiaoqi | nope -how are they? |
21:21.44 | Jenson | great it seems |
21:21.53 | Jenson | and Emma is really really nice, first time ive met her |
21:28.43 | Jenson | night all |
21:28.50 | Xiaoqi | nn! |
21:29.17 | Jenson | seeya |
21:37.01 | JD | Leeds: it's the one with the breast |
21:38.05 | Wethrin | Oh the shame. |
21:38.23 | JD | Leeds Spaced is on paramount 2 |
21:49.52 | Wethrin | G'night all |
21:59.06 | *** join/#gllug Xiaoqi_ (~nikki@negativezero.plus.com) |
22:00.31 | Leeds | JD: I've got both series of SPaced on DVD |
22:01.03 | JD | Leeds: it s=is the one where marsha finds out they arne;t a couple |
22:01.14 | JD | just had a bugsy malone reference |
22:02.06 | Leeds | one of the DVD sets (second one, I think) has all the movie/tv/cartoon/etc. references as an alternate subtitle track :-) |
22:02.33 | JD | lol empire strikes back ending :) |
22:02.49 | Leeds | heh |
22:06.54 | eye69 | Damn, Bliar wont be disappearing anytime soon. |
22:07.02 | Huhn | right, off to bed, nn |