irclog2html for #gllug on 20031004

`06:32.22`	`*** join/#gllug pdr (~pdr@pdr.me.uk)`
`06:33.26`	`pdr`	`moin`
`07:50.47`	`JD`	`peeeettttteeee`
`08:21.31`	`pdr`	`jd!!!`
`08:21.47`	`JD`	`how are you?`
`08:21.54`	`JD`	`coming along to the show?`
`08:22.02`	`pdr`	`what show?`
`08:22.11`	`JD`	`linux expo in olympia`
`08:22.20`	`pdr`	`is that today?`
`08:22.23`	`JD`	`wedsday and Thursday`
`08:22.33`	`pdr`	`nah, i'll be at work`
`08:23.14`	`JD`	`how about the lonix meeting on wednesaday night?`
`08:23.34`	`pdr`	`yeah, will likely go along for a bit. where is it?`
`08:23.50`	`JD`	`covent garden`
`08:24.11`	`pdr`	`definitely will be there then`
`09:08.18`	`SpudULike`	`Can anyone confirm for me that they can see www.ColinMurphy.me.uk/STG/ ???`
`09:09.51`	`JD`	`32M ogg file`
`09:10.02`	`SpudULike`	`Thank you.`
`09:10.36`	`JD`	`np`
`09:11.10`	`*** mode/#gllug [-o Wethrin] by JD`
`09:11.10`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o Wethrin] by ChanServ`
`09:11.21`	`JD`	`bloody thing`
`09:11.32`	`SpudULike`	`What thing?`
`09:11.59`	`*** mode/#gllug [-oo JD Wethrin] by ChanServ`
`09:12.14`	`JD`	`chanserv`
`09:12.29`	`SpudULike`	`But chanserv is your friend!`
`09:12.47`	`JD`	`too clever for it's own good some times`
`09:16.36`	`SpudULike`	`How do I monitor network usage? I suspect that someone is taking that 32M .ogg file, which is fine, but I'd like to know how much of my bandwidth is being used because of it.`
`09:17.45`	`pdr`	`httpd logs? netstat?`
`09:18.05`	`JD`	`ip accounting?`
`09:18.28`	`JD`	`httpd logs are more useful`
`09:29.20`	`SpudULike`	`My inability to understand the output from netstat really does make the log file more useful.`
`09:30.19`	`pdr`	`netstat doesn't give you total usage anyway. it gives current conections, their state and how much is in the buffers, so yeah, logfile is probably a better bet anyway.`
`09:31.00`	`murb`	`SpudULike: have you looked at exporting netflow stats for your upstream link?`
`09:50.33`	`*** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@195.137.116.73)`
`10:03.44`	`JD`	`what a useful osting by Martin A Brooks`
`10:08.00`	`Wethrin`	`Yess......seeing as NAT and IP Masq are used interchangingly.`
`10:08.18`	`Wethrin`	`Rather, IP Masq tends to be used in Linux, and not really anywhere else.`
`10:08.54`	`JD`	`I agree that NAT is more than what most people think it is`
`10:09.08`	`JD`	`but that email had no useful content in at all`
`10:09.47`	`JD`	`I wouldn;t have bitched about his broken enter key if it wasn;t for the fact that I provided some useful information`
`10:09.47`	`Wethrin`	`Well, it's a Saturday morning, so I guess it's forgivable :)`
`10:09.55`	`JD`	`no never`
`10:14.07`	`Wethrin`	`Heh. There's quite a few posts that have no useful content, merely amusing content.`
`10:14.40`	`JD`	`that wasn't even particularly funny though`
`10:14.49`	`Wethrin`	`True.`
`10:15.19`	`JD`	`I texted Nikki last night`
`10:15.26`	`Wethrin`	`Oh right. How is she?`
`10:15.29`	`JD`	`thanked her for the scarf`
`10:15.33`	`JD`	`she is okay`
`10:15.39`	`JD`	`she should be getting ADSL soon`
`10:15.45`	`Wethrin`	`cool`
`10:24.39`	`JD`	`why does SCO thinks it owns NUMA, RCU, XFS and JFS?`
`10:44.23`	`SpudULike`	`In fact, what I was looking for in the way of network monitoring was ntop which I found by following links to try to, and failing to do so, understand what netflow is.`
`10:48.04`	`SpudULike`	`Hmm, now that I've found ntop it's like having a new toy. I do appreciate that I really am easily pleased though.`
`11:00.24`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@modem-2.aredhel.dialup.pol.co.uk)`
`11:05.28`	`JD`	`hi Leeds`
`11:05.36`	`Leeds`	`evening`
`11:05.41`	`JD`	`erm`
`11:05.50`	`JD`	`I think you ned a new clock`
`11:06.11`	`Leeds`	`possibly`
`11:14.20`	`Wethrin`	`Kitchen sync?`
`11:14.48`	`Wethrin`	`Time for me to perambulate forth.`
`11:14.51`	`Wethrin`	`Bye all.`
`11:15.20`	`JD`	`for him to do what?`
`11:15.50`	`JD`	`argh save me fomr lusers`
`11:16.11`	`JD`	`small flood`
`11:16.14`	`JD`	`12:11 < Marcel> Help!!`
`11:16.14`	`JD`	`12:11 < Marcel> I can't install kde3 using the source mentioned in the FAQ`
`11:16.14`	`JD`	`12:12 < Marcel> Woody, I am using.`
`11:16.14`	`JD`	`12:13 < Marcel> Hello`
`11:16.15`	`JD`	`12:14 < Marcel> Anyone here`
`11:16.18`	`JD`	`12:14 < Marcel> Hiccup`
`11:16.20`	`JD`	`12:15 < JD> Help I'm trying to do something but it isn't working`
`11:16.23`	`JD`	`12:15 < Marcel> could be the same as me`
`11:16.25`	`JD`	`12:15 < Marcel> apt-get install kde on woody?`
`11:37.23`	`irvined`	`anybody use gnu stow?`
`11:37.41`	`JD`	`irvined: no I use debian`
`11:37.48`	`JD`	`irvined: try a slack user :)`
`11:38.31`	`irvined`	`jd so do i, but it looks nice and im going to implement it into a cluster management system for source drivers.`
`12:44.17`	`*** join/#gllug pdr (~pdr@pdr.me.uk)`
`12:49.14`	`Jenson`	`JD: looks like you've discovered someone who is more of a pain than me :P`
`12:50.03`	`JD`	`Jenson: it was a hard task but I've managed it`
`12:50.22`	`Jenson`	`hehehehe`
`12:57.20`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@modem-19.dernhelm.dialup.pol.co.uk)`
`12:57.59`	`Jenson`	`heya Leeds`
`12:58.05`	`Leeds`	`morning`
`12:58.25`	`JD`	`hi rich`
`12:58.39`	`Leeds`	`hey`
`12:59.30`	`Leeds`	`they'd make a New Labour version`
`13:02.07`	`Wethrin`	`Why? It's just the same ;-)`
`13:02.18`	`Wethrin`	`What channel is it on?`
`13:02.35`	`JD`	`UK Gold`
`13:02.53`	`Jenson`	`Does everyone except me have Sky?`
`13:02.58`	`Leeds`	`Jenson: yes`
`13:03.29`	`Wethrin`	`I don't have Sky.`
`13:03.51`	`Jenson`	`Wethrin: yay, someone like me :)`
`13:04.00`	`Wethrin`	`Oh, please, no.`
`13:04.16`	`Jenson`	`hehehehe`
`13:04.22`	`Leeds`	`Wethrin: why not? it's not like you're broke and futureless, is it....`
`13:05.07`	`Wethrin`	`Leeds: I'm not at home and watching enough TV to warrant getting Sky`
`13:05.10`	`Leeds`	`pdr: yeah, we know - you're always too busy partying to watch TV :-)`
`13:05.50`	`JD`	`Jenson: no one is like you`
`13:06.03`	`Jenson`	`JD: probably true`
`13:06.13`	`JD`	`are at least I pity anyone that was :)`
`13:06.35`	`JD`	`hmm this FLC video is a little bit obscene`
`13:06.46`	`Leeds`	`hah... someone is advertising "in case of a blackout, buy our battery-powered lights"`
`13:07.28`	`Wethrin`	`:)`
`13:08.36`	`JD`	`I want solar powered`
`13:08.44`	`Leeds`	`hmm... a government scientific weapons advisor, references to Afganistan... you're right - nothing has changed`
`13:09.26`	`JD`	`I'm very surprised at the weapons report`
`13:09.38`	`JD`	`I thought they would have found something`
`13:09.47`	`JD`	`even if it had "made in US" on the side`
`13:10.08`	`Jenson`	`JD: they will, and it will`
`13:10.28`	`JD`	`Jenson: they won't and it won't`
`13:10.33`	`JD`	`they would have done it by now`
`13:10.37`	`Leeds`	`I thought they'd found some current French anti-aircraft weapons...`
`13:10.48`	`JD`	`no they found a ile of some stuff`
`13:10.51`	`JD`	`vile`
`13:11.01`	`Leeds`	`vile?`
`13:11.03`	`Leeds`	`vial?`
`13:11.04`	`Jenson`	`JD: vial`
`13:11.05`	`Leeds`	`pile?`
`13:11.06`	`Jenson`	`yeh`
`13:13.04`	`JD`	`whatever`
`13:14.56`	`JD`	`hmmm news.google.co.uk has a story about renee whatshername beefing up for bridget jones diary yet has a picture of jack white for the white stripes`
`13:19.03`	`Leeds`	`"prepared by computer"`
`13:19.42`	`JD`	`Leeds: I know`
`13:19.52`	`JD`	`but sometimes it gets it very wrong`
`13:33.31`	`Jenson`	`http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.oliver1/gallery/htmlhead.jpg`
`13:48.32`	`irvined`	`Wethrin: do you use stow?`
`13:48.53`	`*** join/#gllug formi (~chatzilla@public1-watf2-6-cust230.lond.broadband.ntl.com)`
`13:48.55`	`Wethrin`	`No.`
`13:48.57`	`Wethrin`	`I use OS X.`
`13:49.11`	`formi`	`hello`
`13:49.18`	`Jenson`	`heya formi`
`13:49.26`	`irvined`	`i need to find out if it knows which packages it has installed or not.`
`13:49.31`	`irvined`	`and how to get a list of the ones which are isntalled.`
`13:49.39`	`pdr`	`hi formi`
`13:50.03`	`formi`	`long time pdr`
`13:50.37`	`pdr`	`desde sabado passado?`
`13:51.01`	`formi`	`mala memoria`
`13:51.47`	`pdr`	`i liked your talk btw - quite informative`
`13:52.28`	`formi`	`as if you didn't know all of it`
`13:52.43`	`formi`	`what was the url for the channel pics?`
`13:52.58`	`formi`	`ibot photos`
`13:52.59`		`formi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`13:53.42`	`Jenson`	`formi: it used to be gllug.linux.co.uk/ircphoto.html`
`13:53.47`	`formi`	`they are quite easy`
`13:55.47`	`Jenson`	`who's im charge of that pic page, i really need to update my pic coz i really dont look like that anymore`
`13:57.27`	`formi`	`come on jenson`
`13:57.41`	`formi`	`you would need a webmaster for you alone`
`13:57.44`	`irvined`	`whats the url?`
`13:57.57`	`Wethrin`	`www.gllug.ukfsn.org/ircphoto.html ?`
`13:58.03`	`Jenson`	`yeh`
`13:58.11`	`Jenson`	`you can type fast`
`13:58.22`	`Jenson`	`i was having trouble managing to type http:// right lol`
`14:01.40`	`Jenson`	`formi: no that pic was taken when i was knoc=king on ppls doors and asking them questions for my coursework, so i had to not look scary`
`14:02.11`	`formi`	`you looking scary, no way!`
`14:02.43`	`Jenson`	`lol im not scary`
`14:02.51`	`Jenson`	`ask any of my exs`
`14:03.16`	`Wethrin`	`So half of Gllug, then?`
`14:03.22`	`JD`	`Jenson: you are all looks and no bite`
`14:03.50`	`Jenson`	`Wethrin: no lol`
`14:03.55`	`Jenson`	`i count 3 members of gllug`
`14:04.18`	`Jenson`	`JD: i think i should take that as a compliment not an insult lol`
`14:04.58`	`Jenson`	`oh aand you can always ask cozmonort, seenas he seems to adore me for some reason`
`14:06.39`	`Jenson`	`im a nice person, really i am :)`
`14:08.42`	`Jenson`	`yeh so is mine`
`14:08.50`	`Leeds`	`Argh!!!! Barney!`
`14:09.20`	`Jenson`	`Barnet to you too dear`
`14:09.31`	`Jenson`	`Barney to you too dear`
`14:09.36`	`Leeds`	`not Barnet... I'm in Barnet`
`14:09.41`	`Jenson`	`has my typing got worse or have i always been this bad?`
`14:09.52`	`Leeds`	`it's getting worse`
`14:09.55`	`Jenson`	`lol`
`14:09.57`	`Jenson`	`thought so`
`14:11.05`	`gregj`	`JD: what was kxconfig ?`
`14:11.16`	`Jenson`	`grr its cold in here`
`14:12.02`	`JD`	`gregj: an X configorator`
`14:12.16`	`formi`	`I am in Bushey`
`14:12.19`	`gregj`	`ah`
`14:12.26`	`Leeds`	`formi: ?`
`14:12.45`	`formi`	`any spare bagels?`
`14:12.55`	`gregj`	`JD: dpash is your account ?`
`14:13.05`	`JD`	`gregj: are you reading kde-cvs again? or #commits?`
`14:13.07`	`formi`	`shabbat shalom`
`14:13.07`	`Wethrin`	`gregj: Still okay for meeting today?`
`14:13.10`	`JD`	`gregj: yep`
`14:13.11`	`gregj`	`JD: both`
`14:13.15`	`gregj`	`Wethrin: sure`
`14:13.18`	`JD`	`gregj: historical accident`
`14:13.31`	`gregj`	`so why JD ?`
`14:13.38`	`JD`	`why not`
`14:14.02`	`gregj`	`and i hope kdenetwork/kopete for unstable incorporate gadu`
`14:14.24`	`gregj`	`support`
`14:14.35`	`Leeds`	`formi: ?`
`14:15.02`	`JD`	`gregj: hmm should it?`
`14:15.06`	`JD`	`how can I tell?`
`14:15.20`	`formi`	`fast well tomorrow`
`14:15.33`	`gregj`	`JD: kopete should require libgadu`
`14:15.50`	`gregj`	`moment, i'll check`
`14:15.57`	`Leeds`	`formi: thank you`
`14:16.12`	`JD`	`gregj: please don't make me recompile kdenetwork`
`14:16.25`	`gregj`	`:]`
`14:16.30`	`gregj`	`i will ;P`
`14:16.52`	`gregj`	`problem is that not too many ppl read README`
`14:16.57`	`gregj`	`including packagers`
`14:17.02`	`gregj`	`or ./configure output`
`14:17.29`	`gregj`	`that says with CAPITAL LETTERS - that gadu support it disabled because libgadu was not found`
`14:17.32`	`gregj`	`:D`
`14:17.53`	`JD`	`gregj: I do read configure output most of the itme`
`14:17.55`	`JD`	`time`
`14:18.08`	`JD`	`like I need to add libjasper to kdelibs`
`14:18.25`	`gregj`	`oki doke`
`14:18.36`	`Jenson`	`ive gotta better at things, i do actually think about how something should work before i ask you guys, coz i can actually work it out sometimes`
`14:18.43`	`gregj`	`in kdenetwork/kopete/debian there is requiremet for libgadu-dev`
`14:18.46`	`gregj`	`you're saved`
`14:18.47`	`gregj`	`:D`
`14:22.25`	`JD`	`doesn;t appear to be there`
`14:23.24`	`gregj`	`well, at least in head`
`14:23.35`	`gregj`	`in kdenetwork/kopete/debian`
`14:25.42`	`gregj`	`control`
`14:26.10`	`JD`	`checking if libgadu supports protocol version 6.0 and pthreads... no`
`14:26.19`	`JD`	`it is in the proper control too`
`14:27.11`	`JD`	`I have it installed`
`14:27.18`	`JD`	`it just isn;t picking it up`
`14:27.23`	`JD`	`it is on my todo list`
`14:28.04`	`gregj`	`oh`
`14:28.06`	`gregj`	`hehe`
`14:28.18`	`gregj`	`this package is not present in debian`
`14:28.24`	`gregj`	`read README.gadu ;]`
`14:28.32`	`gregj`	`you got libgadu, but too old`
`14:28.47`	`JD`	`so we need to wait for that to b updated`
`14:28.56`	`gregj`	`yep`
`14:29.02`	`JD`	`HEAD isn;t going into sarge so it doesn;t matter too much`
`14:29.09`	`gregj`	`true`
`14:52.50`	`Wethrin`	`gregj: Already?`
`14:53.23`	`JD`	`never too early`
`14:53.49`	`Wethrin`	`Well, I said I'd meet him at 5.`
`14:55.34`	`JD`	`that was on yesterday`
`15:21.33`	`JD`	`any NIN fans here?`
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`18:35.10`	`*** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@195.137.116.73)`
`19:06.54`	`*** join/#gllug Cope (~laomao@wibbleworld.demon.co.uk)`
`19:07.11`	`Cope`	`Hello`
`19:24.22`	`Cope`	`Anyone up?`
`19:29.32`	`stephen`	`yep, evening Cope`
`19:29.40`	`Cope`	`Hi stephen`
`19:32.58`	`Leeds`	`hi`
`19:33.14`	`Cope`	`Hi Leeds! On 9.1 yet?`
`19:33.27`	`Leeds`	`waiting for the offical set to arrive`
`19:33.33`	`Cope`	`Gosh!`
`19:33.56`	`Leeds`	`I bought a subscription :-)`
`19:34.02`	`Cope`	`What is the benefit of getting the official set?`
`19:34.22`	`Leeds`	`um... live CD... supporting Patrick`
`19:34.29`	`stephen`	`I think I might buy it, for the same reason`
`19:34.29`	`Leeds`	`mainly`
`19:34.40`	`Cope`	`How much was it?`
`19:35.27`	`Leeds`	`the subscription is a bit weird - they charge you and set you the set automatically whenever there's a release, but it's cheaper than the standard price`
`19:35.39`	`Leeds`	`cost me 21.45 including shipping`
`19:35.57`	`stephen`	`you bought it direct from them?`
`19:36.02`	`Leeds`	`"set you the set" = "send you the set"`
`19:36.16`	`Leeds`	`stephen: sure - make sure as much of the money goes to Patrick as possible`
`19:36.24`	`Cope`	`Absolutely.`
`19:36.35`	`Cope`	`I was going to upgrade the slow way.`
`19:36.58`	`Leeds`	`I think it's time for a rebuild (the PC) and reinstall (the OS) here anyway`
`19:37.36`	`Leeds`	`see that's why Delta is better than switch :-) but I do have a real c/c as well`
`19:38.18`	`murb`	`good evening`
`19:38.23`	`Cope`	`Hi murb`
`19:38.24`	`Leeds`	`Delta is good because it's a debit card like Switch, but anywhere in the world which takes Visa will take it`
`19:38.26`	`Leeds`	`hey murb`
`19:38.44`	`Cope`	`I'm pondering downloading the isos.`
`19:39.07`	`Cope`	`Bah`
`19:40.12`	`stephen`	`I downloaded the iso of CD1, but haven't done anything with it`
`19:40.47`	`Cope`	`I tried to dl the cd1 iso but when I got home it had stopped about halfway through`
`19:40.56`	`Leeds`	`Cope: where from? using BT?`
`19:41.08`	`Cope`	`Leeds: from linuxiso.org`
`19:41.40`	`Leeds`	`should have used BT...`
`19:43.02`	`Leeds`	`BT is really easy`
`19:43.12`	`Cope`	`Do I need apache up and running?`
`19:43.21`	`Leeds`	`not at all`
`19:43.25`	`Cope`	`Ah`
`19:43.28`	`Leeds`	`all you need is a basic worknig python install`
`19:43.32`	`Cope`	`Which I have`
`19:43.41`	`Leeds`	`so try it`
`19:43.49`	`Cope`	`Ok :o)`
`19:44.27`	`Leeds`	`don't worry about the graphical version, stick to the curses client`
`19:49.49`	`Cope`	`Do I need wxPython?`
`19:51.31`	`Leeds`	`only for the graphical client :-)`
`19:51.38`	`Cope`	`Ah cool`
`19:52.16`	`Leeds`	`which is why I suggested ignoring that`
`19:52.26`	`Cope`	`Yeah, I hate guis anyway`
`19:53.35`	`Cope`	`So... I untarred and read the readme and install... I don't want to host or use the gui! Can't find much else to read.`
`19:54.07`	`Leeds`	`all you need to do is run`
`19:54.28`	`Leeds`	`btdownloadcurses.py --url <torrent-url>`
`19:54.42`	`Leeds`	`it'll go in the current directory by default`
`19:56.54`	`Leeds`	`any luck?`
`19:58.05`	`Cope`	`Working! Sweet`
`19:58.20`	`Leeds`	`cool`
`19:58.32`	`Leeds`	`is is that easy, right? :-)`
`19:59.02`	`Cope`	`Very!`
`20:00.19`	`Cope`	`So... next question. I bought a cdwriter yesterday - recommend software for burning cds (ie backing up data)`
`20:00.26`	`Leeds`	`cdrecord`
`20:00.27`	`murb`	`cdrecord`
`20:00.38`	`Cope`	`Cool. I have that.`
`20:00.42`	`Leeds`	`IDE writer, I assume`
`20:00.52`	`Cope`	`Leeds: Yeah, ide.`
`20:01.35`	`Leeds`	`then (possibly/allegedly until you're using 2.6) you'll need to mess with the ide-scsi stuff :-(`
`20:01.57`	`murb`	`Leeds: I thought that stuff had been backported to 2.4?`
`20:02.04`	`murb`	`or atleast cdrecord can/could.`
`20:02.57`	`Leeds`	`not that I'm aware of... I'm happy using ide-scsi, because I have ide-cdrom as a module, which makes it pretty easy, so I haven't chased it`
`20:03.06`	`Leeds`	`possibly backported in a vendor kernel - I wouldn't know about that`
`20:07.33`	`Cope`	`Hmm... can't find out easily.`
`20:07.46`	`Cope`	`What's the ide-scsi stuff?`
`20:08.13`	`Leeds`	`cdrecord can only (AFAIK) record using SCSI cd-writers`
`20:08.30`	`Leeds`	`but you only have an IDE drive`
`20:09.03`	`murb`	`Leeds: I think it does slighlty more than that now.`
`20:09.34`	`Leeds`	`fortunately, ATAPI - the bus protocol used by non-hard-drive IDE devices is similar enough to SCSI that it's possible to 'emulate' it - present the ATAPI device as a SCSI device rather than an IDE one`
`20:09.48`	`murb`	`or atleast there is somthing on 2.4 that allows Xcdroast to burn stuff without ide-scsi`
`20:11.13`	`Cope`	`How do I know what version I'm using?`
`20:12.57`	`Leeds`	`Cope: version of what?`
`20:13.12`	`Cope`	`cdrecord`
`20:14.05`	`Leeds`	`murb: cdrecord docs say Linux from 2.5.45 has ATAPI support, and libscg (the SCSI access library used by cdrecord) contains pre-alpha ATAPI support`
`20:14.30`	`Cope`	`Oh I see`
`20:14.38`	`Cope`	`Sorry - I'm being stupid.`
`20:14.43`	`Leeds`	`Cope: um, cdrecord -version`
`20:15.04`	`Cope`	`If I'm running 2.6 (which I can do) then cdrecord will work fine on ide devices?`
`20:15.21`	`Leeds`	`dunno`
`20:15.23`	`Leeds`	`rtfm`
`20:16.54`	`Leeds`	`try running cdrecord -scanbus and see if it finds anything`
`20:17.13`	`Leeds`	`Unfortunately, this bug causes the kernel to hang (and force you`
`20:17.13`	`Leeds`	`to reboot) if you try to call:`
`20:17.13`	`Leeds`	`cdrecord -scanbus`
`20:18.19`	`Cope`	`Does BT allow download to resume if I boot into 2.6?`
`20:18.33`	`Leeds`	`sure`
`20:19.21`	`Cope`	`Just issue the same command as before, and it will resume from where it was?`
`20:19.29`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`20:19.42`	`Cope`	`Cool`
`20:19.57`	`Leeds`	`yup :-)`
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`20:32.10`	`richardc_`	`so xf86 4.4 is expected mid-December`
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`20:33.31`	`Cope`	`Relo`
`20:33.47`	`Cope`	`Nope... cdrecord -scanbus does not pick up an ide device under 2.6`
`20:34.12`	`Leeds`	`you did read the doc, right?`
`20:34.51`	`Cope`	`The man page?`
`20:35.19`	`Leeds`	`no`
`20:35.28`	`Leeds`	`README.ATAPI`
`20:37.06`	`Cope`	`Must have missed that, if you recommended that file. I'll have a look now.`
`20:37.55`	`Cope`	`Hmm. Sophie complains that Beethoven is not very good looking. I think she misses his significance.`
`20:38.34`	`Leeds`	`hah`
`20:38.47`	`Leeds`	`I didn't suggest that particular file - I suggested RTFM`
`20:39.03`	`Cope`	`:-)`
`20:39.52`	`Leeds`	`:-)`
`20:44.15`	`Cope`	`cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI - looks promising.`
`20:46.07`	`Leeds`	`indeed`
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`20:57.12`	`Cope`	`Hi zachary`
`20:57.26`	`zachary`	`evening cope`
`21:14.57`	`Cope`	`Woo!`
`21:15.34`	`gregj`	`:]`
`21:15.50`	`gregj`	`just came back from RFH`
`21:16.01`	`Leeds`	`hey gregj`
`21:16.02`	`gregj`	`Brahms wrote a really good piece of music :D`
`21:16.05`	`gregj`	`Leeds: hi`
`21:17.01`	`gregj`	`Cope: :D`
`21:18.08`	`Cope`	`Brahms wrote a few decent tunes.`
`21:18.50`	`Cope`	`Leeds: Can you download more than one thing at once using BT?`
`21:19.43`	`gregj`	`why not ?`
`21:19.59`	`Leeds`	`sure`
`21:20.03`	`Leeds`	`just start more than one client`
`21:20.09`	`Cope`	`Ah ok.`
`21:20.27`	`Cope`	`Can one browse for stuff? Or does one need to know that something is there first?`
`21:20.29`	`Leeds`	`and note that a single download can be more than one file - for example, there could be a single torrent for 3 ISOs`
`21:22.15`	`Cope`	`cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image`
`21:22.22`	`Cope`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:22.44`	`gregj`	`-data is default, you don't have to specify it`
`21:22.45`	`Leeds`	`ah - that's where BT falls outside of the standard p2p thing - it doesn't include any searching at all`
`21:23.14`	`Cope`	`Leeds: I see. So how does one know what's out there?`
`21:23.26`	`Leeds`	`if you're downloading 'official' stuff, it's easy to find the tracker... if you want dodgy stuff there are various sites which appear and disappear at intervals`
`21:23.41`	`Leeds`	`e.g. for the Slackware ISOs the tracker is on the slackware.com site`
`21:23.53`	`Leeds`	`if you want to download movies, you're going to have to search harder`
`21:24.08`	`Cope`	`Do I need to specify dev=ATAPI or dev=0,1,0 (from -scanbus) when I use cdrecord?`
`21:24.33`	`Leeds`	`there are frequently sites which focus on a particular thing, e.g. episodes from a particular TV show`
`21:24.52`	`Leeds`	`I've never used dev=ATAPI - I use ide-scsi`
`21:27.27`	`Cope`	`Leeds: BT seems cool :-)`
`21:27.36`	`Cope`	`And its in python! :o)`
`21:27.43`	`Leeds`	`it is :-)`
`21:28.02`	`Leeds`	`well, two of the meanings of BT are cool, at least ;-)`
`21:28.30`	`Leeds`	`I like bluetooth as well`
`21:39.33`	`Leeds`	`ah... smug mode`
`21:40.59`	`Leeds`	`this old baby's crashed more times than a ZX81`
`21:41.10`	`Leeds`	`(Red Dwarf quotes)`
`22:12.29`	`Wethrin`	`Hello.`
`22:12.37`	`Cope`	`Woo`
`22:12.43`	`Wethrin`	`You're happy.`
`22:12.56`	`Cope`	`Always glad to see you :o)`
`22:12.58`	`Leeds`	`evening Wethrin`
`22:13.05`	`Wethrin`	`:)`
`22:13.06`	`Wethrin`	`Hi`
`22:13.49`	`Cope`	`Leeds: iso has just passed half way!`
`22:14.03`	`Leeds`	`cool`
`22:14.37`	`Wethrin`	`http://www.lpo.org.uk/performances/rfh_oct10.html`
`22:14.41`	`Wethrin`	`Who's interested?`
`22:15.32`	`Leeds`	`not me`
`22:15.41`	`Leeds`	`going to be being religious`
`22:16.17`	`murb`	`Wethrin: home already?`
`22:16.19`	`Wethrin`	`What occasion?`
`22:16.21`	`Wethrin`	`murb: Yes.`
`22:16.48`	`murb`	`Wethrin: you live too near the station or somthing.`
`22:16.53`	`Leeds`	`Wethrin: Succot`
`22:17.11`	`murb`	`anyway tomorrow is going to be fun...., and it had better no bloody rain.`
`22:17.14`	`Wethrin`	`murb: 7 mins by car`
`22:17.23`	`murb`	`Wethrin: cheat :)`
`22:17.31`	`Cope`	`I don't know the Rach.`
`22:17.59`	`Wethrin`	`murb: Yes :) Plus I don't want to cycle again just yet - dodgy knee.`
`22:18.25`	`murb`	`that would just be an excuse to avoid skiing next year?`
`22:18.27`	`Wethrin`	`Cope: Ah. The Rach Piano concertos are excellent pieces.`
`22:18.44`	`Wethrin`	`murb: No, hopefully it should be okay by next week.`
`22:18.49`	`Cope`	`wethrin: Cool!`
`22:19.12`	`Wethrin`	`It's slowly starting to get better (wasn't in pain when sitting in the concert hall this time)`
`22:22.25`	`murb`	`well I'm having a difference of opinion with isakmpd... :(`
`22:23.00`	`Wethrin`	`:-(`
`22:23.23`	`murb`	`it sets up all the ike stuff, just fails to get talk to pf_key correctly...`
`22:23.40`	`murb`	`so kernel doesn't know what to do with those dodgy ESP packets...`
`22:23.44`	`murb`	`so near, yet so far...`
`22:23.57`	`Wethrin`	`Give up for tonight?`
`22:24.02`	`murb`	`nope`
`22:24.12`	`Wethrin`	`Hm. BTW, will you be Lonixing on Wednesday?`
`22:24.14`	`murb`	`turn on more debugging tonight :)`
`22:24.27`	`murb`	`Wethrin: If i succesfully fly back to blighty on tuesday`
`22:24.30`	`Wethrin`	`Fun things :)`
`22:24.32`	`Leeds`	`never give up, never surrender`
`22:24.43`	`murb`	`I really should book that flight while it is still 49 euros +tax`
`22:24.49`	`Wethrin`	`We shall fight the TUC on the beaches...`
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`22:27.58`	`murb`	`normally nobody bothers with the expo manning thing..`
`22:28.05`	`murb`	`are people actually organised this yet?`
`22:29.18`	`Wethrin`	`You're manning the whole epo?`
`22:29.21`	`Wethrin`	`*expo`
`22:32.13`	`Wethrin`	`Ennyways, I should be heading into Morpheus' arms.`
`22:32.18`	`Wethrin`	`'night all`
`22:33.10`	`Leeds`	`night`
`22:33.23`	`Leeds`	`say hi to Dream for me`
`22:33.33`	`Wethrin`	`kk`
`22:35.59`	`Leeds`	`it's a rectanglar-shaped thing, often used for sleeping on... but that's not important right now`
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`22:45.24`	`Leeds`	`evening stevey`
`22:45.36`	`highbury`	`hey Richard`
`22:45.48`	`highbury`	`Happy New Year`
`22:46.17`	`Leeds`	`and to you...`
`22:46.34`	`Leeds`	`fasting tomorrow?`
`22:48.24`	`highbury`	`:-/ nope. Things are too hectic here, what with only being back for the weekend to help with the baby, then having to be back to Bristol on MOnday ;(`
`22:48.39`	`Leeds`	`:-(`
`22:49.49`	`highbury`	`should I be lighting yahzeit tonite or tomorrow?`
`22:50.00`	`Leeds`	`tomorrow, I think. I don't do it`
`22:50.13`	`Leeds`	`before sunset, of course`
`22:50.16`	`highbury`	`ok thanks`
`22:50.45`	`highbury`	`so fasting starts tomorrow evening?`
`22:50.51`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`22:51.03`	`highbury`	`duh, ok`
`22:51.17`	`Leeds`	`I'm going to my frum cousin's for dinner, shul, bed, shul, dinner`
`22:51.43`	`murb`	`highbury: so you're Bristol job has turned into somthing longer term?`
`22:51.52`	`highbury`	`which shul?`
`22:52.05`	`Leeds`	`Hendon - Raleigh Close? Place?`
`22:52.30`	`highbury`	`murb: no it finishes this month, I'm starting to look for the next job`
`22:52.58`	`murb`	`oh you can let me know how the joh market is looking then :)`
`22:52.59`	`highbury`	`Leeds: cool, I used to go there many many years ago`
`22:53.18`	`highbury`	`murb: still slow :-(`
`22:55.59`	`highbury`	`I heard some scary statistic that 1 in 4 contractors had been jobless for over 6 months (it may have been worse)`
`22:56.56`	`highbury`	`of course its even harder for old fogey's like me (violin strings liliting in the background)`
`22:56.56`	`murb`	`highbury: but how many of these contractors only started at the hight of the .com thing?`
`22:57.32`	`highbury`	`and equally well, how many just cashed in and gave up.`
`22:57.32`	`murb`	`highbury: yeah, you're either getting old, or too inexpereinced to deserver a decent wage.`
`22:57.44`	`murb`	`highbury: and got regular jobs?`
`22:58.22`	`highbury`	`probably, buthe culture shock may have killed the off ;)`
`22:58.36`	`murb`	`oh and then there are the clueless permenant people`
`22:59.02`	`murb`	`Some of our clients employees are hmm bad.`
`22:59.04`	`highbury`	`and the worthless permanent people ...`
`22:59.13`	`murb`	`highbury: and there seem to be many many many of them.`
`22:59.54`	`murb`	`do we still have a bot logging everything to the web?`
`23:00.01`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`23:00.22`	`highbury`	`its a shame there should be lots of opportunities for Linux jobs for old Unix hands, who have the years of good experience, and knowledge of best practices`
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`23:01.16`	`murb`	`highbury: yeah, It is scary the number of people who don't belive in fully automated installation and basic stuff like that.`
`23:04.45`	`murb`	`or jsut say ghost it...`
`23:04.46`	`highbury`	`or basic security, patching procedures`
`23:04.48`	`murb`	`highbury: they are more likly to see that is important, but just don't do it.`
`23:04.48`	`highbury`	`change control...`
`23:04.48`	`murb`	`s/is/as/`
`23:04.48`	`murb`	`highbury: they also know that is imporant, but don't know how to implemnent sensibel CC procedues`
`23:04.51`	`highbury`	`manual systems are a no-brainer, so there's no excuse, even if it is putting a change summary in config files`
`23:05.03`	`murb`	`highbury: I'm thinking more of the "control" be rathern than just recording confs`
`23:07.21`	`highbury`	`oh well, I have to crash out, I have a baby feed at 5am :-)`
`23:07.40`	`murb`	`highbury: you saw the buffer overflow in the cfengine daemon?`
`23:08.38`	`Leeds`	`highbury: g'night`
`23:08.49`	`highbury`	`I heard of a recent problem, but I'm not using it actively myself at the moment, I did meet Mark Burgess and thought him a fine fellow`
`23:09.14`	`murb`	`yeah nn and good luck with your domestic tasks..`
`23:09.23`	`Leeds`	`I think having met and approved of the author of a piece of software is a major bonus :-)`
`23:10.02`	`murb`	`anoying irritating people can still write good software though.`
`23:11.11`	`Leeds`	`and, of course, the other way around... but it's still a useful pointer`
`23:11.47`	`Leeds`	`ooh, Python just revved again... there's a good example - Guido seems to be a decent bloke :-)`
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`23:14.14`	`murb`	`anyone played with the Xen virtualisation thing yet?`
`23:15.17`	`Leeds`	`nope...`
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`23:16.42`	`Leeds`	`that looks better... was getting slow transfers`
`23:19.21`	`Leeds`	`or not... bah, bedtime`

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