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06:33.26 | pdr | moin |
07:50.47 | JD | peeeettttteeee |
08:21.31 | pdr | jd!!! |
08:21.47 | JD | how are you? |
08:21.54 | JD | coming along to the show? |
08:22.02 | pdr | what show? |
08:22.11 | JD | linux expo in olympia |
08:22.20 | pdr | is that today? |
08:22.23 | JD | wedsday and Thursday |
08:22.33 | pdr | nah, i'll be at work |
08:23.14 | JD | how about the lonix meeting on wednesaday night? |
08:23.34 | pdr | yeah, will likely go along for a bit. where is it? |
08:23.50 | JD | covent garden |
08:24.11 | pdr | definitely will be there then |
09:08.18 | SpudULike | Can anyone confirm for me that they can see www.ColinMurphy.me.uk/STG/ ??? |
09:09.51 | JD | 32M ogg file |
09:10.02 | SpudULike | Thank you. |
09:10.36 | JD | np |
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09:11.10 | *** mode/#gllug [+o Wethrin] by ChanServ |
09:11.21 | JD | bloody thing |
09:11.32 | SpudULike | What thing? |
09:11.59 | *** mode/#gllug [-oo JD Wethrin] by ChanServ |
09:12.14 | JD | chanserv |
09:12.29 | SpudULike | But chanserv is your friend! |
09:12.47 | JD | too clever for it's own good some times |
09:16.36 | SpudULike | How do I monitor network usage? I suspect that someone is taking that 32M .ogg file, which is fine, but I'd like to know how much of my bandwidth is being used because of it. |
09:17.45 | pdr | httpd logs? netstat? |
09:18.05 | JD | ip accounting? |
09:18.28 | JD | httpd logs are more useful |
09:29.20 | SpudULike | My inability to understand the output from netstat really does make the log file more useful. |
09:30.19 | pdr | netstat doesn't give you total usage anyway. it gives current conections, their state and how much is in the buffers, so yeah, logfile is probably a better bet anyway. |
09:31.00 | murb | SpudULike: have you looked at exporting netflow stats for your upstream link? |
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10:03.44 | JD | what a useful osting by Martin A Brooks |
10:08.00 | Wethrin | Yess......seeing as NAT and IP Masq are used interchangingly. |
10:08.18 | Wethrin | Rather, IP Masq tends to be used in Linux, and not really anywhere else. |
10:08.54 | JD | I agree that NAT is more than what most people think it is |
10:09.08 | JD | but that email had no useful content in at all |
10:09.47 | JD | I wouldn;t have bitched about his broken enter key if it wasn;t for the fact that I provided some useful information |
10:09.47 | Wethrin | Well, it's a Saturday morning, so I guess it's forgivable :) |
10:09.55 | JD | no never |
10:14.07 | Wethrin | Heh. There's quite a few posts that have no useful content, merely amusing content. |
10:14.40 | JD | that wasn't even particularly funny though |
10:14.49 | Wethrin | True. |
10:15.19 | JD | I texted Nikki last night |
10:15.26 | Wethrin | Oh right. How is she? |
10:15.29 | JD | thanked her for the scarf |
10:15.33 | JD | she is okay |
10:15.39 | JD | she should be getting ADSL soon |
10:15.45 | Wethrin | cool |
10:24.39 | JD | why does SCO thinks it owns NUMA, RCU, XFS and JFS? |
10:44.23 | SpudULike | In fact, what I was looking for in the way of network monitoring was ntop which I found by following links to try to, and failing to do so, understand what netflow is. |
10:48.04 | SpudULike | Hmm, now that I've found ntop it's like having a new toy. I do appreciate that I really am easily pleased though. |
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11:05.28 | JD | hi Leeds |
11:05.36 | Leeds | evening |
11:05.41 | JD | erm |
11:05.50 | JD | I think you ned a new clock |
11:06.11 | Leeds | possibly |
11:14.20 | Wethrin | Kitchen sync? |
11:14.48 | Wethrin | Time for me to perambulate forth. |
11:14.51 | Wethrin | Bye all. |
11:15.20 | JD | for him to do what? |
11:15.50 | JD | argh save me fomr lusers |
11:16.11 | JD | small flood |
11:16.14 | JD | 12:11 < Marcel> Help!! |
11:16.14 | JD | 12:11 < Marcel> I can't install kde3 using the source mentioned in the FAQ |
11:16.14 | JD | 12:12 < Marcel> Woody, I am using. |
11:16.14 | JD | 12:13 < Marcel> Hello |
11:16.15 | JD | 12:14 < Marcel> Anyone here |
11:16.18 | JD | 12:14 < Marcel> Hiccup |
11:16.20 | JD | 12:15 < JD> Help I'm trying to do something but it isn't working |
11:16.23 | JD | 12:15 < Marcel> could be the same as me |
11:16.25 | JD | 12:15 < Marcel> apt-get install kde on woody? |
11:37.23 | irvined | anybody use gnu stow? |
11:37.41 | JD | irvined: no I use debian |
11:37.48 | JD | irvined: try a slack user :) |
11:38.31 | irvined | jd so do i, but it looks nice and im going to implement it into a cluster management system for source drivers. |
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12:49.14 | Jenson | JD: looks like you've discovered someone who is more of a pain than me :P |
12:50.03 | JD | Jenson: it was a hard task but I've managed it |
12:50.22 | Jenson | hehehehe |
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12:57.59 | Jenson | heya Leeds |
12:58.05 | Leeds | morning |
12:58.25 | JD | hi rich |
12:58.39 | Leeds | hey |
12:59.30 | Leeds | they'd make a New Labour version |
13:02.07 | Wethrin | Why? It's just the same ;-) |
13:02.18 | Wethrin | What channel is it on? |
13:02.35 | JD | UK Gold |
13:02.53 | Jenson | Does everyone except me have Sky? |
13:02.58 | Leeds | Jenson: yes |
13:03.29 | Wethrin | I don't have Sky. |
13:03.51 | Jenson | Wethrin: yay, someone like me :) |
13:04.00 | Wethrin | Oh, please, no. |
13:04.16 | Jenson | hehehehe |
13:04.22 | Leeds | Wethrin: why not? it's not like you're broke and futureless, is it.... |
13:05.07 | Wethrin | Leeds: I'm not at home and watching enough TV to warrant getting Sky |
13:05.10 | Leeds | pdr: yeah, we know - you're always too busy partying to watch TV :-) |
13:05.50 | JD | Jenson: no one is like you |
13:06.03 | Jenson | JD: probably true |
13:06.13 | JD | are at least I pity anyone that was :) |
13:06.35 | JD | hmm this FLC video is a little bit obscene |
13:06.46 | Leeds | hah... someone is advertising "in case of a blackout, buy our battery-powered lights" |
13:07.28 | Wethrin | :) |
13:08.36 | JD | I want solar powered |
13:08.44 | Leeds | hmm... a government scientific weapons advisor, references to Afganistan... you're right - nothing has changed |
13:09.26 | JD | I'm very surprised at the weapons report |
13:09.38 | JD | I thought they would have found something |
13:09.47 | JD | even if it had "made in US" on the side |
13:10.08 | Jenson | JD: they will, and it will |
13:10.28 | JD | Jenson: they won't and it won't |
13:10.33 | JD | they would have done it by now |
13:10.37 | Leeds | I thought they'd found some current French anti-aircraft weapons... |
13:10.48 | JD | no they found a ile of some stuff |
13:10.51 | JD | vile |
13:11.01 | Leeds | vile? |
13:11.03 | Leeds | vial? |
13:11.04 | Jenson | JD: vial |
13:11.05 | Leeds | pile? |
13:11.06 | Jenson | yeh |
13:13.04 | JD | whatever |
13:14.56 | JD | hmmm news.google.co.uk has a story about renee whatshername beefing up for bridget jones diary yet has a picture of jack white for the white stripes |
13:19.03 | Leeds | "prepared by computer" |
13:19.42 | JD | Leeds: I know |
13:19.52 | JD | but sometimes it gets it very wrong |
13:33.31 | Jenson | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.oliver1/gallery/htmlhead.jpg |
13:48.32 | irvined | Wethrin: do you use stow? |
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13:48.55 | Wethrin | No. |
13:48.57 | Wethrin | I use OS X. |
13:49.11 | formi | hello |
13:49.18 | Jenson | heya formi |
13:49.26 | irvined | i need to find out if it knows which packages it has installed or not. |
13:49.31 | irvined | and how to get a list of the ones which are isntalled. |
13:49.39 | pdr | hi formi |
13:50.03 | formi | long time pdr |
13:50.37 | pdr | desde sabado passado? |
13:51.01 | formi | mala memoria |
13:51.47 | pdr | i liked your talk btw - quite informative |
13:52.28 | formi | as if you didn't know all of it |
13:52.43 | formi | what was the url for the channel pics? |
13:52.58 | formi | ibot photos |
13:52.59 | | formi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
13:53.42 | Jenson | formi: it used to be gllug.linux.co.uk/ircphoto.html |
13:53.47 | formi | they are quite easy |
13:55.47 | Jenson | who's im charge of that pic page, i really need to update my pic coz i really dont look like that anymore |
13:57.27 | formi | come on jenson |
13:57.41 | formi | you would need a webmaster for you alone |
13:57.44 | irvined | whats the url? |
13:57.57 | Wethrin | www.gllug.ukfsn.org/ircphoto.html ? |
13:58.03 | Jenson | yeh |
13:58.11 | Jenson | you can type fast |
13:58.22 | Jenson | i was having trouble managing to type http:// right lol |
14:01.40 | Jenson | formi: no that pic was taken when i was knoc=king on ppls doors and asking them questions for my coursework, so i had to not look scary |
14:02.11 | formi | you looking scary, no way! |
14:02.43 | Jenson | lol im not scary |
14:02.51 | Jenson | ask any of my exs |
14:03.16 | Wethrin | So half of Gllug, then? |
14:03.22 | JD | Jenson: you are all looks and no bite |
14:03.50 | Jenson | Wethrin: no lol |
14:03.55 | Jenson | i count 3 members of gllug |
14:04.18 | Jenson | JD: i think i should take that as a compliment not an insult lol |
14:04.58 | Jenson | oh aand you can always ask cozmonort, seenas he seems to adore me for some reason |
14:06.39 | Jenson | im a nice person, really i am :) |
14:08.42 | Jenson | yeh so is mine |
14:08.50 | Leeds | Argh!!!! Barney! |
14:09.20 | Jenson | Barnet to you too dear |
14:09.31 | Jenson | Barney to you too dear |
14:09.36 | Leeds | not Barnet... I'm in Barnet |
14:09.41 | Jenson | has my typing got worse or have i always been this bad? |
14:09.52 | Leeds | it's getting worse |
14:09.55 | Jenson | lol |
14:09.57 | Jenson | thought so |
14:11.05 | gregj | JD: what was kxconfig ? |
14:11.16 | Jenson | grr its cold in here |
14:12.02 | JD | gregj: an X configorator |
14:12.16 | formi | I am in Bushey |
14:12.19 | gregj | ah |
14:12.26 | Leeds | formi: ? |
14:12.45 | formi | any spare bagels? |
14:12.55 | gregj | JD: dpash is your account ? |
14:13.05 | JD | gregj: are you reading kde-cvs again? or #commits? |
14:13.07 | formi | shabbat shalom |
14:13.07 | Wethrin | gregj: Still okay for meeting today? |
14:13.10 | JD | gregj: yep |
14:13.11 | gregj | JD: both |
14:13.15 | gregj | Wethrin: sure |
14:13.18 | JD | gregj: historical accident |
14:13.31 | gregj | so why JD ? |
14:13.38 | JD | why not |
14:14.02 | gregj | and i hope kdenetwork/kopete for unstable incorporate gadu |
14:14.24 | gregj | support |
14:14.35 | Leeds | formi: ? |
14:15.02 | JD | gregj: hmm should it? |
14:15.06 | JD | how can I tell? |
14:15.20 | formi | fast well tomorrow |
14:15.33 | gregj | JD: kopete should require libgadu |
14:15.50 | gregj | moment, i'll check |
14:15.57 | Leeds | formi: thank you |
14:16.12 | JD | gregj: please don't make me recompile kdenetwork |
14:16.25 | gregj | :] |
14:16.30 | gregj | i will ;P |
14:16.52 | gregj | problem is that not too many ppl read README |
14:16.57 | gregj | including packagers |
14:17.02 | gregj | or ./configure output |
14:17.29 | gregj | that says with CAPITAL LETTERS - that gadu support it disabled because libgadu was not found |
14:17.32 | gregj | :D |
14:17.53 | JD | gregj: I do read configure output most of the itme |
14:17.55 | JD | time |
14:18.08 | JD | like I need to add libjasper to kdelibs |
14:18.25 | gregj | oki doke |
14:18.36 | Jenson | ive gotta better at things, i do actually think about how something should work before i ask you guys, coz i can actually work it out sometimes |
14:18.43 | gregj | in kdenetwork/kopete/debian there is requiremet for libgadu-dev |
14:18.46 | gregj | you're saved |
14:18.47 | gregj | :D |
14:22.25 | JD | doesn;t appear to be there |
14:23.24 | gregj | well, at least in head |
14:23.35 | gregj | in kdenetwork/kopete/debian |
14:25.42 | gregj | control |
14:26.10 | JD | checking if libgadu supports protocol version 6.0 and pthreads... no |
14:26.19 | JD | it is in the proper control too |
14:27.11 | JD | I have it installed |
14:27.18 | JD | it just isn;t picking it up |
14:27.23 | JD | it is on my todo list |
14:28.04 | gregj | oh |
14:28.06 | gregj | hehe |
14:28.18 | gregj | this package is not present in debian |
14:28.24 | gregj | read README.gadu ;] |
14:28.32 | gregj | you got libgadu, but too old |
14:28.47 | JD | so we need to wait for that to b updated |
14:28.56 | gregj | yep |
14:29.02 | JD | HEAD isn;t going into sarge so it doesn;t matter too much |
14:29.09 | gregj | true |
14:52.50 | Wethrin | gregj: Already? |
14:53.23 | JD | never too early |
14:53.49 | Wethrin | Well, I said I'd meet him at 5. |
14:55.34 | JD | that was on yesterday |
15:21.33 | JD | any NIN fans here? |
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19:07.11 | Cope | Hello |
19:24.22 | Cope | Anyone up? |
19:29.32 | stephen | yep, evening Cope |
19:29.40 | Cope | Hi stephen |
19:32.58 | Leeds | hi |
19:33.14 | Cope | Hi Leeds! On 9.1 yet? |
19:33.27 | Leeds | waiting for the offical set to arrive |
19:33.33 | Cope | Gosh! |
19:33.56 | Leeds | I bought a subscription :-) |
19:34.02 | Cope | What is the benefit of getting the official set? |
19:34.22 | Leeds | um... live CD... supporting Patrick |
19:34.29 | stephen | I think I might buy it, for the same reason |
19:34.29 | Leeds | mainly |
19:34.40 | Cope | How much was it? |
19:35.27 | Leeds | the subscription is a bit weird - they charge you and set you the set automatically whenever there's a release, but it's cheaper than the standard price |
19:35.39 | Leeds | cost me 21.45 including shipping |
19:35.57 | stephen | you bought it direct from them? |
19:36.02 | Leeds | "set you the set" = "send you the set" |
19:36.16 | Leeds | stephen: sure - make sure as much of the money goes to Patrick as possible |
19:36.24 | Cope | Absolutely. |
19:36.35 | Cope | I was going to upgrade the slow way. |
19:36.58 | Leeds | I think it's time for a rebuild (the PC) and reinstall (the OS) here anyway |
19:37.36 | Leeds | see that's why Delta is better than switch :-) but I do have a real c/c as well |
19:38.18 | murb | good evening |
19:38.23 | Cope | Hi murb |
19:38.24 | Leeds | Delta is good because it's a debit card like Switch, but anywhere in the world which takes Visa will take it |
19:38.26 | Leeds | hey murb |
19:38.44 | Cope | I'm pondering downloading the isos. |
19:39.07 | Cope | Bah |
19:40.12 | stephen | I downloaded the iso of CD1, but haven't done anything with it |
19:40.47 | Cope | I tried to dl the cd1 iso but when I got home it had stopped about halfway through |
19:40.56 | Leeds | Cope: where from? using BT? |
19:41.08 | Cope | Leeds: from linuxiso.org |
19:41.40 | Leeds | should have used BT... |
19:43.02 | Leeds | BT is really easy |
19:43.12 | Cope | Do I need apache up and running? |
19:43.21 | Leeds | not at all |
19:43.25 | Cope | Ah |
19:43.28 | Leeds | all you need is a basic worknig python install |
19:43.32 | Cope | Which I have |
19:43.41 | Leeds | so try it |
19:43.49 | Cope | Ok :o) |
19:44.27 | Leeds | don't worry about the graphical version, stick to the curses client |
19:49.49 | Cope | Do I need wxPython? |
19:51.31 | Leeds | only for the graphical client :-) |
19:51.38 | Cope | Ah cool |
19:52.16 | Leeds | which is why I suggested ignoring that |
19:52.26 | Cope | Yeah, I hate guis anyway |
19:53.35 | Cope | So... I untarred and read the readme and install... I don't want to host or use the gui! Can't find much else to read. |
19:54.07 | Leeds | all you need to do is run |
19:54.28 | Leeds | btdownloadcurses.py --url <torrent-url> |
19:54.42 | Leeds | it'll go in the current directory by default |
19:56.54 | Leeds | any luck? |
19:58.05 | Cope | Working! Sweet |
19:58.20 | Leeds | cool |
19:58.32 | Leeds | is *is* that easy, right? :-) |
19:59.02 | Cope | Very! |
20:00.19 | Cope | So... next question. I bought a cdwriter yesterday - recommend software for burning cds (ie backing up data) |
20:00.26 | Leeds | cdrecord |
20:00.27 | murb | cdrecord |
20:00.38 | Cope | Cool. I have that. |
20:00.42 | Leeds | IDE writer, I assume |
20:00.52 | Cope | Leeds: Yeah, ide. |
20:01.35 | Leeds | then (possibly/allegedly until you're using 2.6) you'll need to mess with the ide-scsi stuff :-( |
20:01.57 | murb | Leeds: I thought that stuff had been backported to 2.4? |
20:02.04 | murb | or atleast cdrecord can/could. |
20:02.57 | Leeds | not that I'm aware of... I'm happy using ide-scsi, because I have ide-cdrom as a module, which makes it pretty easy, so I haven't chased it |
20:03.06 | Leeds | possibly backported in a vendor kernel - I wouldn't know about that |
20:07.33 | Cope | Hmm... can't find out easily. |
20:07.46 | Cope | What's the ide-scsi stuff? |
20:08.13 | Leeds | cdrecord can only (AFAIK) record using SCSI cd-writers |
20:08.30 | Leeds | but you only have an IDE drive |
20:09.03 | murb | Leeds: I think it does slighlty more than that now. |
20:09.34 | Leeds | fortunately, ATAPI - the bus protocol used by non-hard-drive IDE devices is similar enough to SCSI that it's possible to 'emulate' it - present the ATAPI device as a SCSI device rather than an IDE one |
20:09.48 | murb | or atleast there is somthing on 2.4 that allows Xcdroast to burn stuff without ide-scsi |
20:11.13 | Cope | How do I know what version I'm using? |
20:12.57 | Leeds | Cope: version of what? |
20:13.12 | Cope | cdrecord |
20:14.05 | Leeds | murb: cdrecord docs say Linux from 2.5.45 has ATAPI support, and libscg (the SCSI access library used by cdrecord) contains pre-alpha ATAPI support |
20:14.30 | Cope | Oh I see |
20:14.38 | Cope | Sorry - I'm being stupid. |
20:14.43 | Leeds | Cope: um, cdrecord -version |
20:15.04 | Cope | If I'm running 2.6 (which I can do) then cdrecord will work fine on ide devices? |
20:15.21 | Leeds | dunno |
20:15.23 | Leeds | rtfm |
20:16.54 | Leeds | try running cdrecord -scanbus and see if it finds anything |
20:17.13 | Leeds | Unfortunately, this bug causes the kernel to hang (and force you |
20:17.13 | Leeds | to reboot) if you try to call: |
20:17.13 | Leeds | cdrecord -scanbus |
20:18.19 | Cope | Does BT allow download to resume if I boot into 2.6? |
20:18.33 | Leeds | sure |
20:19.21 | Cope | Just issue the same command as before, and it will resume from where it was? |
20:19.29 | Leeds | yup |
20:19.42 | Cope | Cool |
20:19.57 | Leeds | yup :-) |
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20:32.10 | richardc_ | so xf86 4.4 is expected mid-December |
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20:33.31 | Cope | Relo |
20:33.47 | Cope | Nope... cdrecord -scanbus does not pick up an ide device under 2.6 |
20:34.12 | Leeds | you did read the doc, right? |
20:34.51 | Cope | The man page? |
20:35.19 | Leeds | no |
20:35.28 | Leeds | README.ATAPI |
20:37.06 | Cope | Must have missed that, if you recommended that file. I'll have a look now. |
20:37.55 | Cope | Hmm. Sophie complains that Beethoven is not very good looking. I think she misses his significance. |
20:38.34 | Leeds | hah |
20:38.47 | Leeds | I didn't suggest that particular file - I suggested RTFM |
20:39.03 | Cope | :-) |
20:39.52 | Leeds | :-) |
20:44.15 | Cope | cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI - looks promising. |
20:46.07 | Leeds | indeed |
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20:57.12 | Cope | Hi zachary |
20:57.26 | zachary | evening cope |
21:14.57 | Cope | Woo! |
21:15.34 | gregj | :] |
21:15.50 | gregj | just came back from RFH |
21:16.01 | Leeds | hey gregj |
21:16.02 | gregj | Brahms wrote a really good piece of music :D |
21:16.05 | gregj | Leeds: hi |
21:17.01 | gregj | Cope: :D |
21:18.08 | Cope | Brahms wrote a few decent tunes. |
21:18.50 | Cope | Leeds: Can you download more than one thing at once using BT? |
21:19.43 | gregj | why not ? |
21:19.59 | Leeds | sure |
21:20.03 | Leeds | just start more than one client |
21:20.09 | Cope | Ah ok. |
21:20.27 | Cope | Can one browse for stuff? Or does one need to know that something is there first? |
21:20.29 | Leeds | and note that a single download can be more than one file - for example, there could be a single torrent for 3 ISOs |
21:22.15 | Cope | cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0 -data cd_image |
21:22.22 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
21:22.44 | gregj | -data is default, you don't have to specify it |
21:22.45 | Leeds | ah - that's where BT falls outside of the standard p2p thing - it doesn't include any searching at all |
21:23.14 | Cope | Leeds: I see. So how does one know what's out there? |
21:23.26 | Leeds | if you're downloading 'official' stuff, it's easy to find the tracker... if you want dodgy stuff there are various sites which appear and disappear at intervals |
21:23.41 | Leeds | e.g. for the Slackware ISOs the tracker is on the slackware.com site |
21:23.53 | Leeds | if you want to download movies, you're going to have to search harder |
21:24.08 | Cope | Do I need to specify dev=ATAPI or dev=0,1,0 (from -scanbus) when I use cdrecord? |
21:24.33 | Leeds | there are frequently sites which focus on a particular thing, e.g. episodes from a particular TV show |
21:24.52 | Leeds | I've never used dev=ATAPI - I use ide-scsi |
21:27.27 | Cope | Leeds: BT seems cool :-) |
21:27.36 | Cope | And its in python! :o) |
21:27.43 | Leeds | it is :-) |
21:28.02 | Leeds | well, two of the meanings of BT are cool, at least ;-) |
21:28.30 | Leeds | I like bluetooth as well |
21:39.33 | Leeds | ah... smug mode |
21:40.59 | Leeds | this old baby's crashed more times than a ZX81 |
21:41.10 | Leeds | (Red Dwarf quotes) |
22:12.29 | Wethrin | Hello. |
22:12.37 | Cope | Woo |
22:12.43 | Wethrin | You're happy. |
22:12.56 | Cope | Always glad to see you :o) |
22:12.58 | Leeds | evening Wethrin |
22:13.05 | Wethrin | :) |
22:13.06 | Wethrin | Hi |
22:13.49 | Cope | Leeds: iso has just passed half way! |
22:14.03 | Leeds | cool |
22:14.37 | Wethrin | http://www.lpo.org.uk/performances/rfh_oct10.html |
22:14.41 | Wethrin | Who's interested? |
22:15.32 | Leeds | not me |
22:15.41 | Leeds | going to be being religious |
22:16.17 | murb | Wethrin: home already? |
22:16.19 | Wethrin | What occasion? |
22:16.21 | Wethrin | murb: Yes. |
22:16.48 | murb | Wethrin: you live too near the station or somthing. |
22:16.53 | Leeds | Wethrin: Succot |
22:17.11 | murb | anyway tomorrow is going to be fun...., and it had better no bloody rain. |
22:17.14 | Wethrin | murb: 7 mins by car |
22:17.23 | murb | Wethrin: cheat :) |
22:17.31 | Cope | I don't know the Rach. |
22:17.59 | Wethrin | murb: Yes :) Plus I don't want to cycle again just yet - dodgy knee. |
22:18.25 | murb | that would just be an excuse to avoid skiing next year? |
22:18.27 | Wethrin | Cope: Ah. The Rach Piano concertos are excellent pieces. |
22:18.44 | Wethrin | murb: No, hopefully it should be okay by next week. |
22:18.49 | Cope | wethrin: Cool! |
22:19.12 | Wethrin | It's slowly starting to get better (wasn't in pain when sitting in the concert hall this time) |
22:22.25 | murb | well I'm having a difference of opinion with isakmpd... :( |
22:23.00 | Wethrin | :-( |
22:23.23 | murb | it sets up all the ike stuff, just fails to get talk to pf_key correctly... |
22:23.40 | murb | so kernel doesn't know what to do with those dodgy ESP packets... |
22:23.44 | murb | so near, yet so far... |
22:23.57 | Wethrin | Give up for tonight? |
22:24.02 | murb | nope |
22:24.12 | Wethrin | Hm. BTW, will you be Lonixing on Wednesday? |
22:24.14 | murb | turn on more debugging tonight :) |
22:24.27 | murb | Wethrin: If i succesfully fly back to blighty on tuesday |
22:24.30 | Wethrin | Fun things :) |
22:24.32 | Leeds | never give up, never surrender |
22:24.43 | murb | I really should book that flight while it is still 49 euros +tax |
22:24.49 | Wethrin | We shall fight the TUC on the beaches... |
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22:27.58 | murb | normally nobody bothers with the expo manning thing.. |
22:28.05 | murb | are people actually organised this yet? |
22:29.18 | Wethrin | You're manning the whole epo? |
22:29.21 | Wethrin | *expo |
22:32.13 | Wethrin | Ennyways, I should be heading into Morpheus' arms. |
22:32.18 | Wethrin | 'night all |
22:33.10 | Leeds | night |
22:33.23 | Leeds | say hi to Dream for me |
22:33.33 | Wethrin | kk |
22:35.59 | Leeds | it's a rectanglar-shaped thing, often used for sleeping on... but that's not important right now |
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22:45.24 | Leeds | evening stevey |
22:45.36 | highbury | hey Richard |
22:45.48 | highbury | Happy New Year |
22:46.17 | Leeds | and to you... |
22:46.34 | Leeds | fasting tomorrow? |
22:48.24 | highbury | :-/ nope. Things are too hectic here, what with only being back for the weekend to help with the baby, then having to be back to Bristol on MOnday ;( |
22:48.39 | Leeds | :-( |
22:49.49 | highbury | should I be lighting yahzeit tonite or tomorrow? |
22:50.00 | Leeds | tomorrow, I think. I don't do it |
22:50.13 | Leeds | before sunset, of course |
22:50.16 | highbury | ok thanks |
22:50.45 | highbury | so fasting starts tomorrow evening? |
22:50.51 | Leeds | yes |
22:51.03 | highbury | duh, ok |
22:51.17 | Leeds | I'm going to my frum cousin's for dinner, shul, bed, shul, dinner |
22:51.43 | murb | highbury: so you're Bristol job has turned into somthing longer term? |
22:51.52 | highbury | which shul? |
22:52.05 | Leeds | Hendon - Raleigh Close? Place? |
22:52.30 | highbury | murb: no it finishes this month, I'm starting to look for the next job |
22:52.58 | murb | oh you can let me know how the joh market is looking then :) |
22:52.59 | highbury | Leeds: cool, I used to go there many many years ago |
22:53.18 | highbury | murb: still slow :-( |
22:55.59 | highbury | I heard some scary statistic that 1 in 4 contractors had been jobless for over 6 months (it may have been worse) |
22:56.56 | highbury | of course its even harder for old fogey's like me (violin strings liliting in the background) |
22:56.56 | murb | highbury: but how many of these contractors only started at the hight of the .com thing? |
22:57.32 | highbury | and equally well, how many just cashed in and gave up. |
22:57.32 | murb | highbury: yeah, you're either getting old, or too inexpereinced to deserver a decent wage. |
22:57.44 | murb | highbury: and got regular jobs? |
22:58.22 | highbury | probably, buthe culture shock may have killed the off ;) |
22:58.36 | murb | oh and then there are the clueless permenant people |
22:59.02 | murb | Some of our clients employees are hmm bad. |
22:59.04 | highbury | and the worthless permanent people ... |
22:59.13 | murb | highbury: and there seem to be many many many of them. |
22:59.54 | murb | do we still have a bot logging everything to the web? |
23:00.01 | Leeds | yes |
23:00.22 | highbury | its a shame there should be lots of opportunities for Linux jobs for old Unix hands, who have the years of good experience, and knowledge of best practices |
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23:01.16 | murb | highbury: yeah, It is scary the number of people who don't belive in fully automated installation and basic stuff like that. |
23:04.45 | murb | or jsut say ghost it... |
23:04.46 | highbury | or basic security, patching procedures |
23:04.48 | murb | highbury: they are more likly to see that is important, but just don't do it. |
23:04.48 | highbury | change control... |
23:04.48 | murb | s/is/as/ |
23:04.48 | murb | highbury: they also know that is imporant, but don't know how to implemnent sensibel CC procedues |
23:04.51 | highbury | manual systems are a no-brainer, so there's no excuse, even if it is putting a change summary in config files |
23:05.03 | murb | highbury: I'm thinking more of the "control" be rathern than just recording confs |
23:07.21 | highbury | oh well, I have to crash out, I have a baby feed at 5am :-) |
23:07.40 | murb | highbury: you saw the buffer overflow in the cfengine daemon? |
23:08.38 | Leeds | highbury: g'night |
23:08.49 | highbury | I heard of a recent problem, but I'm not using it actively myself at the moment, I did meet Mark Burgess and thought him a fine fellow |
23:09.14 | murb | yeah nn and good luck with your domestic tasks.. |
23:09.23 | Leeds | I think having met and approved of the author of a piece of software is a major bonus :-) |
23:10.02 | murb | anoying irritating people can still write good software though. |
23:11.11 | Leeds | and, of course, the other way around... but it's still a useful pointer |
23:11.47 | Leeds | ooh, Python just revved again... there's a good example - Guido seems to be a decent bloke :-) |
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23:14.14 | murb | anyone played with the Xen virtualisation thing yet? |
23:15.17 | Leeds | nope... |
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23:16.42 | Leeds | that looks better... was getting slow transfers |
23:19.21 | Leeds | or not... bah, bedtime |