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00:00.57*** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group - Next meeting: 27th Sep 2003 - Westminster Uni. http://gllug.org.uk
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00:26.51eye69I tried Openbox 3.0, but it kept crashing on me.
00:28.36Leedswell... it hasn't died yet
00:49.11eye69There, Subversion server setup.
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05:12.10new2unixmoin all
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05:24.57zacharymoin
06:32.34TarragonMoin
06:33.32nasratmorning all
06:39.22TarragonA four day weekend?
06:41.46nasrat5 off tueday as well.  Going to Bradford for a festival
06:42.36TarragonNot Reading?
06:43.30nasratno, this is somewhat more dubious music
06:44.38nasratwell beats the day job :)
06:45.25TarragonMore dubious than Reading!
06:46.33nasratwww.infest.org.uk
06:46.56nasratBradford probably is more dubious than Reading by definition anyway :)
06:48.29TarragonI should have remembered your Goth connection
06:48.53TarragonBradford has at least some good places to eat
06:49.14TarragonReading has - well a couple of book shops
06:49.35TarragonI'll be in Reading :-)
06:50.41nasratexcellent that should be good I imagine
06:52.50TarragonNah - with brother-in-law and his new wife
07:47.45Xiaoqimorning!
08:12.06zacharymoin Xiaoqi
08:12.47Xiaoqihi zachary
08:53.41zacharybbl
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09:14.03axelSg'morning all :)
09:32.36nasrathi axelS
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10:30.38axelShi formi
10:33.11formihello
10:33.38formilong time
10:56.15axelS"XOver Office is simulating a Windows reboot." <- ROFL
11:07.00axelSwow! xover office rocks!!! :D
11:11.04dankolb:)
11:15.54formican somebody recommend a rbl?
11:16.11dankolborbs?
11:16.28formifull address please?
11:16.44dankolbErm...
11:18.43dankolbwww.orbl.org
11:18.56formita
11:19.23dankolbnp
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12:09.52formiLeeds: have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/kqe7
12:11.35LeedsI saw it on the Register
12:11.43Leedsor possibly the other one
12:11.59formii don't remenber how I arrived to it
12:12.43formii wonder how long before they are branded terrorists
12:12.52Leedshttp://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11166
12:13.25LeedsI think they're just part of the general anarchy of the area
12:15.03formiand the soldiers are sent in
12:16.09LeedsI'm not talking politics... I simply mean that - in the Jewish and Arab areas - there is miminal or no law enforcement and no respect for it
12:17.19Leedsuh oh...
12:18.54formii was just pointing out the ironies of this life
12:19.52Leedswhat ironies?
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12:36.05NisoDaemonAfternoon all
12:36.23NisoDaemonAnyone here using BT ADSL?
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12:43.44LeedsBT wholesale or BT retail?
12:44.32Leedsthat is, BTopenworld, or someone else reselling BT's service?  I'm on Freeserve, acting as a BT reseller
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13:32.25dankolbNisoDaemon: A friend is.
13:35.19murbleLeeds: are they really a reseller?
13:37.00Leedsmurble: well... it depends on how you define reseller... they don't provide the physical infrastructure - that's from BT wholesale
13:37.40murbleLeeds: does anyone who doesn't have their own dslams?
13:39.47Leedsno
13:40.02Leedsbut there are companies apart from BT who run dslams
13:45.46murbleanyone know what/how HP call/label Swiss German keyboards?
13:46.33murbletheir "swiss" keyboards are swiss french, we did specify swiss german.
13:46.38murblethey claim they don't exist.
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15:05.56Leedsum...
15:06.06Leedswhy are we being bombarded with Spanish spam?
15:07.32dankolbBecause Gllug was signed up to a Yahoo! group
15:07.43Leedsand why did that happen?
15:07.58dankolbBecause someone is a fucking twat?
15:09.11dankolbJust send a message to desarrolloVB-unsubscribe@gruposyahoo.com.ar with a from address of gllug@linux.co.uk
15:09.25dankolbOr I can do it if you want.
15:09.33Leedsgood man
15:09.36dankolbk
15:10.36dankolbDone. Hopefully an unsubscribe confirmation will be sent (unfortunately to Gllug)
15:11.21dankolbOh, and also DesarrolloProgress was also subscribed
15:12.44Leedsyay for the fish
15:12.48dankolb:)
15:13.35dankolbRight. Got the unsubscribe confirmation
15:13.36Leedswell, I tried replying to the confirmation...
15:14.11dankolbAh, erm. It's just a confirmation-to-unsubscribe message, isn't it?
15:14.52LeedsI read the fish as "reply to this address to confirm unsubscription"
15:15.11dankolbYes. You replied to that, then?
15:15.15Leedsyes
15:15.40dankolbOkay. There's two confirmation messages now - one for each list.
15:15.50Leedsboth of them
15:15.54LeedsI've replied to both of them
15:15.59dankolbOkay - thanks :)
15:16.11dankolbWith a From: address of gllug@linux.co.uk, presumably?
15:16.18Leedsapproximately
15:16.31dankolb:)
15:19.38Leedswell, one subscription is cancelada
15:19.46dankolbGood :)
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15:21.44dankolbHi axel
15:22.11dankolbGrmph. Still another Argentinian spam
15:22.23axelShi
15:23.32axelScan i entertain you with a typical newbie question dan?
15:23.55dankolbGo on then.
15:24.17axelSi have two nics and i would like for only one to come up on boot. how do i do that?
15:24.27dankolbWhich OS/distro?
15:24.31axelSrh9
15:24.42dankolbLook in /etc/sysconfig/network
15:24.45dankolbOne sec...
15:24.46axelSok
15:25.13dankolb/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/
15:25.19axelSk
15:25.20dankolbFiles called ifcfg-$IF_NAME
15:25.53dankolbEdit the file with the interface you want to disable on boot, and change ONBOOT="yes" to ONBOOT="no"
15:26.02axelSah, k - thanks :)
15:26.05dankolbnp :)
15:26.33axelSsomethings are that easy ;)
15:27.10dankolbIndeed :)
15:27.13axelSbtw. when i connect to/from smb on this box it crashes after 1min... everything goes 100% and locks up. any ideas?
15:27.37dankolbDon't use SMB.
15:27.42axelS:(
15:27.52axelSwhat do you use instead?
15:27.53dankolbIt was an idea :)
15:27.58axelShehe
15:28.03dankolbFTPFS :)
15:28.17axelSany particular reason?
15:28.35dankolbBecause You Can(TM)
15:28.41axelShehe
15:29.02axelSok :)
15:29.08dankolbWhat OS are you connecting to?
15:29.13axelSos x 10.2
15:29.46dankolbRight. Both .ar spamlists have been unsubscribed from
15:30.06dankolbHm. Use Appletalk?
15:30.51axelSand linux?
15:31.06dankolbYou can use Appletalk on Linux
15:31.09axelSi need to share the files on my ibook with the PC and vice versa
15:31.11axelScool
15:33.56axelSnetatalk?
15:35.35dankolbYup
15:35.48dankolbWell, scp/rsync? :)
15:38.17axelSfunny, i have a lot of double entries in my /etc/services
15:39.04axelSsilly me.. different port types
15:39.42dankolb:)
15:40.03axelSargh... telnet and finger were infact running.. oopsi
15:40.16axelSanyway, thanks for the netatalk tip
15:44.22dankolbnp. It might work :)
15:49.49axelSbtw. if i want a service - ie. psybnc to come up on boot, would that go under /etc/services or somewhere else?
15:58.02dankolbNo. There was somewhere else.
15:58.12axelSinet.d?
15:58.25dankolbOnly if it runs from inetd
15:58.32axelShmm
15:58.33dankolbAre you talking about RedHat or OS X now?
15:58.55axelSrh9
15:59.00dankolbAh.
15:59.04axelS:)
15:59.21dankolbIf it runs through (x)inetd, then /etc/inetd.d (or whatever)
15:59.29axelSok
15:59.49dankolbIf it's a stand-alone service, then there should be an init script in /etc/init.d, with symlinks to various runlevels
16:00.02axelSok, i'll investigate that :)
16:00.07dankolb:)
16:00.15axelSshit, 5pm... gootta run now - thanks for the help dan
16:00.17axelScu later
16:00.19dankolbnp
16:00.20dankolbcu
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18:04.10dankolbxbill rocks
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20:03.51stephanbooh it's sooooo quiet (bjork gudmunsdottir)
20:05.07zacharystephanb: Shhhhhh!
20:06.08stephanbzacahry: hey mr smith...
20:06.18stephanbzachary: hey mr smith...
20:31.57zacharyI'm off to bed, good night.
22:10.11gregjLeeds: :]
22:10.31gregjLeeds: i have to ask you again about photos :-D
22:23.05gregjif you are still alive/awake
22:53.45Leedsgregj: you tell me why my ipaq stops scp at 36k... I'll get the photos up
22:54.38gregjLeeds: use real computer :]
22:54.54Leedsyou have a real computer with a CF slot and a network connection?
22:55.20gregjwft is CF
22:55.30Leedsibot cf
22:55.31methinks cf is used for network-like devices such as wireless or ethernet and can be used with compactflash media cards which are getting cheaper everyday.   Excellent for audio/video files. or see http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GetYourCompactFlashStorageCardToWork, or http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php
22:55.54gregjoh
22:56.17gregjLeeds: put it on http or over ftp
22:56.24Leedsnope
22:57.04Leedsftp bad...
22:57.08Leedshttp one-way
22:57.15gregjtry scp different way
22:57.39gregjor maybe problem is with reading flash, so you should copy first files on HD on ipaq
22:57.59LeedsHD on ipaq?  you're having a laugh
22:58.07gregj:>
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22:58.52gregjsomething is wrong with this CF than
22:59.25Leedsit's coming... in stages
22:59.28gregjyour camera doesn't have usb ?
22:59.33gregjor firewire
22:59.50Leedscf good
23:00.19LeedsI'm watching a film... I think these scenes are set near where I stayed in Sydney...
23:02.33gregji am in other room
23:02.34gregjno Tele
23:04.10Leedstelly
23:04.43gregjwhatsoever :]
23:13.22Leedsgregj: http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/bletchley/
23:15.18Leedsyup, certainly where I was in Syndey
23:25.30Leedsis it?
23:26.28eye69Yeah...has no "connection" between packets, as far as I know. Makes it hard to get firewalls to let replies back in through a state checking firewall
23:26.35murbleLeeds: yeah, if you want state you have to build it into your application.
23:26.39dankolbHm. I always used 'keep state' with my firewalls for UDP and ICMP - according to the docs, that's how to get the responses returned correctly to the originating machine
23:26.54murbledankolb: that might sometimes work depending on the application
23:26.56eye69Leeds: Ahhh. :)
23:27.09murblebut the application has no reason to send the data back on teh same port etc.
23:27.10dankolbpolice state
23:27.33eye69dankolb: I have 'pass out all keep state'
23:27.39murblebut without the police.
23:27.40dankolb:)
23:27.54dankolbpepper spray the packets
23:27.57LeedsUDP is a refugee
23:28.16murblelock it up and in a detention center then.
23:29.12Leedsin France, for preference
23:29.32dankolbMapping IPs to countries now? :)
23:29.44Leedsheh
23:33.51dankolbYour IP range should be in Frace?
23:33.53dankolb*France
23:34.45LeedsI started a bittorrent a few days ago which was going really really really slowly because there were not peers with 100%
23:35.01Leedsit completed yesterday... so I've been serving it since then :-)
23:35.18Leedsthat's yesterday Friday
23:35.44dankolbAh.
23:38.08Leedscompiling? it's python...
23:40.27highburyit needed wxPython, which I couldn't get working?  ... perhaps
23:40.48Leedsonly for the X versino
23:40.59Leedsthere are three clients - command-line, curses and wxPython
23:41.15LeedsI just use the curses one under vnc or screen
23:56.26highbury"Linux overview for Solaris Users" - seems to contain a few errors/misconceptions, but I'll have to reread it when I'm not so tired

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