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03:46.07xD|RaabHimselfanyone in here good with linux debian?
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05:02.39new2unixmoin all
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08:32.34sanelsonMorning
08:35.51zacharymorning Cope
08:40.29CopeMorning Zach... How was the food?
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08:41.46CopeHi nasrat
08:41.53nasrathi
08:42.00nasrathow was lonix
08:42.27zacharyNot bad. Tandori chicken, Mushroom rice, and pashwari nan.(And a loveley bottle of still water!)
08:42.48zacharynasrat: Last night was a good meeting.
08:42.55CopeA bit daunting, but I enjoyed myself. Sophie (gf) found a girl to talk to about !geeky stuff.
08:43.23nasratgirls can be geeky too
08:46.56nasratwas that your first meet
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08:49.27Copenasrat> Yeah
08:50.50nasrathttp://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html
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09:41.51SpudULikeCope: Was Lonix what you expected then?
09:44.05CopeMorning SpudULike
09:44.57SpudULikeHi.
09:47.05CopeIt was cool - a bit intimidating on one level - 60 new people most of whom know each other.
09:47.16CopeBut of course we all have a big thing in common.
09:47.45CopeI think I would prefer something with a bit more structure, but I will go again, as the company was good as was the beer.
09:53.00JDhi all
09:53.20CopeHi JD
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10:37.42nasrathey NisoDaemon
10:37.58NisoDaemonHi Nas, howd the wireless install go?
10:40.36JDhi
10:40.44nasratfine, router cloned mac address and pretty simple card install.  Setup print sharing, etc
10:41.10nasrathow's the packaging :)
10:41.16NisoDaemonMorning JD. Still enjoying being sober ?:)
10:41.27NisoDaemonDon't ask.
10:41.40NisoDaemonMy on list rants are pretty much covering it ;)
10:41.55NisoDaemonI'm currently being told that i dont hae a copyright file.
10:41.58nasratIf it helps I'm having a painfull experience with XFree86
10:41.59NisoDaemonI fscking do,
10:42.11nasratcase sensitive?
10:42.17NisoDaemonstill trying to add the new driver?
10:42.32NisoDaemonnah its the same name in the same place as thesmple packages i was looking at.
10:42.54nasratyeah, I have to add it into the Imake system so it compiles/installs.  It's just a long test cycle
10:43.16NisoDaemonAh ok. Do the compile on your new shiny toy ;)
10:43.17nasratmore time tonight - I'm being sent out to a hotel for support.
10:43.32NisoDaemonSomeones going up in the world :)
10:44.17nasratNisoDaemon: it'a 5*
10:44.55NisoDaemonI assume you'll be staying overnight as a run in test :)
10:45.39nasratyeah, it's also at Heathrow and I finish at 10 so there's no point heading back
10:45.58NisoDaemonRoute planner thinks it will take me 28 minutes to go from startford to old street. Or 29 minutes to go from oldstreet to stratford....
10:46.08NisoDaemonAh ok. not all glamour then.
10:46.22NisoDaemonStill gets you away from the missues for the evening.
10:46.48nasratI forsee a night of hard compiling
10:47.20NisoDaemonLOL. just go and get gentoo, you know you want to :)
10:47.34nasratgentoo - just say no :)
10:47.47JDNisoDaemon: I didn;t last night
10:48.07JD11NOK=1GBP
10:48.32JDand it is raining now
10:48.55NisoDaemon£17 for a round?!
10:49.03NisoDaemonI know why Stig drinks over here!
10:49.05JDaye for 3 people
10:49.28NisoDaemonAre the nonalchohiloc drinks as bad or better?
10:49.35JDjust as bad
10:49.38NisoDaemonLOL how much that cost?
10:49.42JDbut not quite
10:49.52JDI brought a lipton ice tea for 2GBP
10:50.11JDbut I have been buying 2L of Eple nektar for 22NOK
10:50.13nasratJD: but that'll be an import how about local soft drinks
10:50.15JDmuch cheaper
10:50.28JDnot sure
10:50.36JDI haven;t tried local drinks
10:50.58JDyou should
10:51.02JDfantastic women
10:51.36NisoDaemonI cant afford to date if its £17 a round...
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10:56.45JDhttp://www.davidpashley.com/Debconf/
11:07.29JDran out of bloody quota :(
11:07.34JDpics uploading now
11:37.38JDdone
11:38.14nasratxml parsing error on your xml decleration on charset
11:41.30nasratshould that be encoding there - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml#sec-prolog-dtd
12:00.17JDnasrat: don't blame me
12:00.20JDfile a biug with kde
12:02.17JDthere was an inflatable school with inflatable teachers and inflatable pupils. oneday a boy took a pin to school and his techer took him to one side and said "Not only have you let your school down, and let me down, but you've let your self down"
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12:31.53new4unixhi all
12:32.11new4unix<PROTECTED>
12:34.00JDer what about it?
12:34.39new4unixi sent that by mistake. was copying from one terminal when that slipped.
12:34.57new4unixgood thing it's a circuit diagram and not something else. :)
12:35.07JDlike pr0n
12:35.24new4unixi dont know what you mean mate. :p
12:35.32JDof course not
12:35.34new4unixwhen did you get back from Oslo?
12:36.06JDnew4unix: I habven't
12:37.21new4unixyoure missing out. better get back to the UK before the weather starts playing up again.
12:38.22JDmissing out on what?
12:38.36new4unixthe weather. d'uh
12:39.18new4unixsame here. and we get ours for free. no transport cost. no expensive hotel bills.
12:41.55new4unixsorry. trying to keep it on topic. just incase the channel police pop round unannounced. hah
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12:43.26JDI get back on Sunday night
12:43.47JDnew4unix: http://www.davidpashley.com/Debconf
12:44.51new4unixam off. seeya later JD. Say hi to those Norweigian gils for me.
12:45.10JDand the girls too/
12:45.33new4unixhah. sticky keys. it aint my keyboard
12:56.13nasratw00t
13:01.40JDwhat is w00t?
13:02.16nasratmanaged to mung my driver into XFree
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13:04.03CopeAnyone able to offer some ideas on a wee fetchmail problem?
13:05.09JDpossibly
13:05.27Copefetchmail -K -p POP3 -u wibblewo mail.wibbleworld.org.uk gives the error: lock creation failed
13:05.29JD/etc/init.d/fetchmail debug-run is your friend
13:05.51CopeI just wanted to empty my pop server but i don't have a shell account, so I did the above from a spare user on tis box
13:06.20JDstrace is also your friend
13:07.01JDibot: ping
13:07.01JD: I give up, what is it?
13:07.22Copeibot ping mail.wibbleworld.org.uk
13:07.27pong mail.wibbleworld.org.uk
13:07.54JDCope: strace -efile fetchmail ....
13:09.51Copejd> Hmm... looks like we have no fetchmail config files for the user I was using.
13:11.04Xiaoqihi all
13:14.18nasrathi Xiaoqi
13:14.26CopeHi Xiaoqi
13:16.31Copejd> Did same from different user on different box, no problem.
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13:21.26JDhmm not good
13:21.30JDbut never moind
13:21.36JDhi Xiaoqi
13:22.14Copejd Not good that I did on a different box?
13:22.40JDno that I got disconnected
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13:29.16Xiaoqihi, sorry -phone callsa
13:29.21Xiaoqi-a
13:31.17JDbah
13:31.28JDhow are you
13:33.04JDquiet
13:33.07JDbah again
13:40.16Xiaoqisorry... keep disappearing
13:40.28XiaoqiI'm not too good, but I'm coping thanks JD
13:40.45cupeaten too much..
13:40.50Xiaoqihehe
13:45.39JDI'll let you off as I was just reading nom-steer ML
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15:28.58JDhi
15:29.47JDthat was fortunate
15:30.03JDcould have been saying hi to anything
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18:10.52nasrathi Jenson
18:10.59Jensonheya nasrat
18:11.53Jensonoh ffs
18:11.54JensonBRB
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18:16.56nasrathi Leeds
18:17.11Leedsyes, thank you
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18:30.09Leedsfoo!
18:30.23Jensonhey Leeds
18:30.27Jensonhey stephanb
18:32.02Jensongood news for some of the less cute geeks http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm
18:32.08Leeds...
18:32.26JensonLeeds baby you dont need to read it :P
18:32.47LeedsI've... heard about it
18:42.37Xiaoqihihi
18:52.03eye69http://www.kaptainmyke.com/forums/uploads//post-4-1057592412.jpg
18:52.33Jensonheh ok
18:52.34Jensonlol
18:53.41eye69Run, Forrest
18:53.55Jensonlol
19:09.20dankolbbar!
19:09.32Jensonhiya dankolb
19:16.52eye69dank
19:17.37dankolbeye6
19:17.44eye69olb
19:17.49dankolb9
19:17.51eye69:)
19:22.11dankolbWho's the current victim?
19:22.18JensonCosta
19:22.31dankolbIs he with you, then?
19:22.32JensonI yhnik I;m more his victim
19:22.48Jensonno i aint dating ATM
19:23.00Jensontoo many guys have fucked me up
19:23.17dankolbThat's not what I meant.
19:23.42Jensonlol nop he's at home in the bath
19:23.51dankolbBut, anyway, this is OT.
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19:27.05dankolbHi Niso
19:27.13NisoDaemonEvening Dan.
19:27.16NisoDaemonHows your stomache ;)
19:27.17Jensonhiya NisoDaemon
19:27.24NisoDaemonhi Jenson
19:27.36dankolbIt's okay :-) Sorry I had to run off.
19:27.45dankolbGot to Marylebone with 5 mins to spare.
19:28.03NisoDaemonWe understand... Most of us ended up getting the alast train of the evening; we just live closer
19:28.16dankolbYep.
19:28.39Jensondankolb: i saw severed arms in a train suicide last sunday
19:28.48NisoDaemonSteve Harker triedsome of your vindaloo, he was impreessed by its potency!
19:28.58dankolbExcellent :)
19:29.14NisoDaemonjenson: Get TV. its just as gory but without the risk of splatter.
19:29.23dankolbIt was quite a spicy one. I'd probably have finished it if I had fewer pints before.
19:29.40JensonNisoDaemon: we were queued outside the stationnwhen it happeed
19:29.46Jensonand id had like 2 hours sleep
19:29.50Jensonso i found it all amusing
19:30.21NisoDaemonWhat number did the 2.2 kernel series get up to?
19:30.30dankolb2.2.21, IIRC
19:30.50NisoDaemonwoddy has 2.2.22 i thought it was higher than that...
19:31.02dankolbOh. Maybe.
19:31.05NisoDaemon2.2.25
19:31.12NisoDaemonAccording to kernel.org
19:31.19dankolbtry ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/LATEST-IS*
19:32.13NisoDaemonyeah, 2.2.25 but debian only has 2.2.22 as aptable.
19:32.17NisoDaemonIf aptable is a word...
19:33.27NisoDaemonLooks a lot easier than remembering to make clean make BzImage and shit.
19:33.43NisoDaemonJenson: Did anyone die or just mutalation?
19:34.31JensonNisoDaemon: well i om;y saw te arms couldnt see the body...and the police had a shovel
19:34.44NisoDaemonTats what they used to force them on the tracks.
19:36.00dankolbmake mrproper menuconfig bzImage modules modules_install install
19:36.03dankolbHow hard is that? :)
19:36.23dankolbOnly 6 things to remember. And you don't even need 'install' if you want to do it by hand
19:36.31NisoDaemonI always forget somehting. Or i forget to update lilo...
19:36.59NisoDaemonDan: You have to do that on each machine though :P
19:37.17NisoDaemonYou get a package and then dpkg -i ./new_shiny_kernel.deb
19:40.29dankolbHeh. Well, make a .deb package.
19:40.34dankolbAnyway, why not Netboot? :)
19:40.46NisoDaemonNetboot?
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19:40.53dankolbBoot over network
19:41.07NisoDaemonJust the install or when actually running?
19:41.14dankolbThe kernel
19:41.18NisoDaemonEw.
19:42.03NisoDaemonI've compiled kernels by hand before. I tust think the idea of creating a package and that worrying about everything is neat...
19:44.32stephenproblem is most stock kernels a useless, cos they include _everything_
19:45.29NisoDaemonAgreed. But this debian approach (Which i'm trying for the first time now) gets the source, you choose your options
19:45.40NisoDaemonand then it buindles it all up for you/
19:46.16stephennice :)
19:46.18NisoDaemonSp you still get make config/menuconfig/xconfig to work as you want.
19:46.22NisoDaemonI think...
19:46.30NisoDaemonhttp://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=printpage&artid=158
19:46.37NisoDaemonIs what i'm following at the mo.
19:56.12NisoDaemonKernel support for JAVA binaries (obsolete) (NEW)
19:56.49JensonBBL
19:59.21NisoDaemonSo not a real geek after all ;)
19:59.56nasratre
20:00.16nasrathmm, expenses are good
20:00.46nasratNisoDaemon: rhug
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20:00.57dankolbHi cope
20:01.04CopeHey Dan
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20:01.33NisoDaemonrhug?
20:01.37NisoDaemonhi cope
20:01.41NisoDaemonEnjoy lonix?
20:01.45nasratheard of gcj
20:01.55nasratand GNU Classpath
20:02.00NisoDaemoncompiler that outputs java?
20:02.39nasratnope java/bytecode->native
20:02.51nasratGNU classpath is the class libraries
20:03.06nasratyou can get *native* ant, tomcat, bcel ...
20:04.07nasratit's very cool/sick/evil
20:04.35NisoDaemonHow does it deal with runtime exceptions? segfault?
20:05.25nasrathmm, I'd need to look at the src
20:05.34nasratbut
20:06.46NisoDaemonROFLAMO
20:06.50NisoDaemonops
20:06.52NisoDaemonwrong window..
20:10.18NisoDaemonIs the file that holds the kernel config called .config under the 2.2 kernels?
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20:10.41A4266'lo
20:10.49NisoDaemonEvening
20:10.54NisoDaemonWelcome to near silence ;)
20:11.00A4266hehe :)
20:11.16A4266Well I've just come bback onmline from 6days without internet!!
20:11.21nasratunder all kernels, you should not do make oldconfig between major (2.2->2.4 or 2.4->2.6) versions or you get to keep the pieces
20:11.59NisoDaemonhehe i wasn't going to do that.... Honest ;)
20:12.37nasratI will LART the next person who doesn't rtfm re 2.{5,6}
20:12.54NisoDaemonWhere is the manual regarding 2.5 to 2.5++
20:14.36nasratah davej has got his box back up
20:14.56NisoDaemonHes not running a webserver on 2.6 is he?
20:15.27A4266back in a bit. gotta relocate the server :)
20:18.35NisoDaemonSlackware turns ten and manages to fulfil its goal of one new user a year.
20:19.13NisoDaemon"just wait till 2005 when we hit the golden dozen then, we'll party!"
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20:29.25dankolb:-)
20:29.44gregjdankolb: :]
20:30.40dankolbWell, I go off to pub now.
20:30.41dankolbBye.
20:30.48gregjoh
20:31.03gregjdankolb: you are not typical brit
20:48.40gregjor even during week :]
20:49.09CopeSeems quite normal to me :o)
20:49.39gregjmaybe if you are 70 years old
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20:56.43CopeAnyone here use Software Raid?
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21:06.08CopeWoo Jenson
21:06.29Jensonheya Cope
21:06.47LeedsCope: don't woo her
21:07.32nasratwb Jenson
21:07.48Jensonty nasrat, enjoy your food?
21:09.18nasratfood was ok, expensed CH3CH2OH better
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21:10.55nasratdiluted ethanol
21:11.15Leedsheh
21:11.32stephanbexcellent cleaner for tapre recorder heads
21:11.32new2unixwell. at least it isnt concentrated methanol.
21:12.02Jensoni did chemistry
21:12.17LeedsGCSE?
21:12.23Jensonyeh
21:12.29new2unixJenson: no you didnt. you were just past of the experiments. hah
21:12.31Leedsme too - many years ago
21:12.59LeedsI finished GCSEs 11 years ago! whoa
21:13.11nasratLeeds: what you didn't do O levels
21:13.14new2unix"if we tip this chemical compound over her head like so... you'll notice her scream like soo.  hah"
21:13.29Leedsnasrat: I was about the 3rd year to do GCSEs I think
21:13.52new2unixdid Chemistry too. loved it. the exams didnt like me though.
21:14.36CopeI nearly did it at uni!
21:14.41LeedsI got along quite well with chemistry... preferred physics though
21:15.25new2unixLeeds: same here.
21:16.08Leedsgot an A-Level in it :-)
21:16.53new2unixNOT the same here. :-(
21:18.47JensonBRB
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21:25.36NisoDaemonWB
21:25.43Jensonty
21:26.28NisoDaemonI leave it goes quiet... come back all... i didnt mean it...
21:26.43Jensonim here im here im here
21:27.04Leedsum here um here um here
21:27.40NisoDaemonlol
21:28.28NisoDaemonvery amusing
21:28.57Leedswhere??? :-)
21:29.24NisoDaemonAhh its for the state of the onion 7.
21:29.33Leedsoh, that
21:29.36NisoDaemonRead it whith a clear head they're normally funny
21:30.01LeedsI got lost somewhere in the second slide
21:30.27NisoDaemonLOL he's a great speaker.
21:31.09NisoDaemonmy ranking of scripting language speakers has to be 1)wall, 2)rasmus 3) guido.
21:31.16NisoDaemonrasmus is impressive.
21:31.21Leedsrasmus?
21:32.43NisoDaemonPHP Ramus Lerdorf
21:32.46Leedsah
21:32.57LeedsPHP doesn't really feature in my world
21:32.57NisoDaemonVery nasty insulting guy when you piss him off.
21:33.07NisoDaemonI'd intended to heckle but i shutup pretty quick
21:34.37NisoDaemonPHP is ideal for keeping the idiots off the perl mailing lists ;)
21:34.51new2unixouch
21:34.58nasratmothers against php
21:35.20Leedsremember - my view of the world still has HTTP being a nice way to transmit static HTML pages
21:35.47LeedsI know - I'm old-fashioned
21:36.23new2unixLeeds: youre not far off from the real world. HTTP still is a nice way to transmit static HTML
21:36.41Leedsnew2unix: I mean as opposed to HTTP as database access protocol
21:36.55new2unixhah
21:37.17NisoDaemonPHP Perl for Hopeless Programmers ;)
21:38.06LeedsNisoDaemon: isn't that one of those GNU=GNU's Not Unix things?  Isn't Perl Perl for Hopeless Programmers?
21:38.30gregjLeeds: strange, it was you - giving example of shell programing as a CGI script :>
21:38.49NisoDaemonWhats the slackware installer written in?
21:38.54Leedsno idea
21:39.19gregjprobably in C
21:39.27LeedsI know Redhat's is in Python :-)
21:39.36NisoDaemonPretty sure its perl. Redhat is python, mandrake is perl
21:39.37gregjand mandrakes is in perl :]
21:39.49nasratLeeds: and C, it uses a lot of python-c binding
21:39.58gregjpython sux, too slow
21:40.00NisoDaemonThats coz its so slow ;)
21:40.03Leedsnasrat: really? it didn't use to be
21:40.04NisoDaemonLOL
21:40.08NisoDaemonConsenus
21:40.09gregj04C 09r11u04l08e13z
21:40.22new2unixlast i heard, perl was most favoured by geeks who loved knitting jumpers. they have this weird perversion for mangling stuff. you need to see them eat noodles. hah
21:40.26NisoDaemongregj but which c strings libdo you use? ;)
21:41.03LeedsI think the bulb in my room is bying
21:41.03NisoDaemonAhh ok. You like complexity ;)
21:41.06Leedsdying
21:41.11nasratanaconda uses c things for kbd/mouse/hdd stuff, a lot of it is done as PyObjects, but the hard stuff is in c.  Certainly since I was hacking with 6.2 anaconda there were c/python stuff
21:41.16NisoDaemonJenson, dont learn perl!
21:41.19gregjLeeds: don't laught
21:41.20NisoDaemonnot for beginners.
21:41.41nasratperl isn't even for masochists
21:41.46gregjperl is nice
21:41.53NisoDaemonPerl rocks
21:41.55JensonNisoDaemon: i ordered a perl book at the library, and then lost my library card for a month, so i never looked at it
21:42.10JensonI have loads of C and C++ guides, i dont look at those either
21:42.11NisoDaemonPerl DBI is a work of art
21:42.13Jensonperl is pretty lol
21:42.30Leedsmmm... python
21:42.36nasratNisoDaemon: so is damien hurst discuss
21:42.37gregjbut still nothing beats QT
21:42.50gregji am in love , more and more every day
21:42.52nasratgregj: speak to Nix
21:42.57gregjin QT of course
21:43.17Leedsmmm... python
21:43.38gregj.. sux
21:43.55NisoDaemonits better tha PHP :)
21:44.09NisoDaemonwhitespace delimited scopes are better than everything in one namespace ;)
21:44.15gregjstill slow and useless
21:44.23nasratdifferent things for different ppl/jobs/etc the world would be dull if everything was written in $LANGUAGE
21:44.35Leedspython is just a nice language... it's fun to code in, has a nice library, *extremely* good docs...
21:44.40gregji like things compiled straight to assembler
21:44.53gregjLeeds: well, it does not matter
21:45.04Leedsand it's not particularly slow - apart from to start up... and you can pre-compile stuff to help with that
21:45.04gregjspeed of development and of execution - that is what matters
21:45.07NisoDaemongreg your a dying breed ;)
21:45.13gregjand QT/C++ got both
21:45.22NisoDaemonSpeed of development is more important in most cases.
21:45.24Leedsoh, I like C... for some stuff... and Python for most of the rest... and shell for some :-)
21:45.32Leedsshell is the best RAD language :-)
21:45.39gregjLeeds: and that what is true
21:45.46gregjLeeds: ;)
21:46.06gregjand that is RAD
21:46.07gregj:]
21:46.34gregjat least i was able when i was young :]
21:46.46NisoDaemonTell me this doesnt rock: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/D/DA/DARREN/DBD-Google-0.05.readme
21:46.49LeedsNisoDaemon: now I see why you liked the SotO talk
21:46.53Leedsblah CPAN
21:47.04NisoDaemonI havent heard this years yet, i'm waiting till im awake :)
21:47.09gregjCPAN r0x
21:47.15NisoDaemonLeeds: Python has its own attept.
21:47.22gregjphp too
21:47.23NisoDaemonVaults of who give a shite.
21:47.35NisoDaemonPEAR has merits though
21:47.38nasratbah CTAN r0x, write all your code in TeX then more PS webservers...
21:47.44NisoDaemonThe python one is just obscure
21:47.53LeedsI consider myself an active Python coder and I've *never* got anything from the vaults
21:47.58NisoDaemonSnap out of it dammit
21:48.06NisoDaemonLeeds: Exactly
21:48.09NisoDaemonCode reuse is good
21:48.12JensonNisoDaemon: leaving, he's talking to me about geekguys lol
21:48.25LeedsNisoDaemon: never needed to...
21:48.40JensonNisoDaemon: leave him even
21:48.43Jensonfscking english
21:48.46NisoDaemonNever?
21:48.52NisoDaemonJenson: too many pesky words?
21:48.54LeedsCPAN = apt-for-Perl
21:49.05nasratno cpan isn't that good
21:49.06NisoDaemonYeo
21:49.13NisoDaemonCPANPLUS is
21:49.23NisoDaemonCPANPLUS rocks
21:49.24NisoDaemonCPANPLUS has shite docs
21:49.42Leedsfor the few add-on modules I've used (database access and pygame, mainly) I just go to the author's site, get the source, install it
21:50.00NisoDaemonLeeds: No smoke testing?
21:50.09Leedssmoke testing?
21:50.20Leedsor test :-)
21:50.33NisoDaemonBad man.
21:50.52LeedsI test at work where I get paid... otherwise - it's up to the users to test, dammit
21:51.03NisoDaemonthe cpan smoketesting is a good thing when your code gets run on everything upto s390's
21:51.24NisoDaemonAlthough python need not worry about this :)
21:51.28Leedsmost of my python is not for distribution
21:52.18NisoDaemonI dunno, CPAN is the reason Perls bigger tha python. Code repos are one of the things Microsoft are trying to get right
21:52.26NisoDaemonthey are important
21:53.29Leedsthe two main problems I have with CPAN are the huge dependency trees which appear, and the fact that there may be a couple of hundred good, post-1.0 modules there, but hundreds and hundreds of bits of crap
21:53.46LeedsI hate big dependency trees
21:54.18Leedsif the stuff is so important it should either be flattened or folded into the main library
21:54.35NisoDaemonbut then you end up with 28mb downloads that microsoft wont bundle ;)
21:54.54Leeds28Mb?
21:54.58NisoDaemonJRE
21:55.04NisoDaemonor jdk
21:55.06NisoDaemonor sdk
21:55.11NisoDaemon<PROTECTED>
21:55.17LeedsPython source is 6.6Mb
21:55.22nasratNisoDaemon: +j2ee +javamail+
21:55.34NisoDaemon+ant +hybernate
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21:55.44NisoDaemonapt-get install dot-net
21:55.45NisoDaemonhehe
21:55.57Leedsapt-get install mono
21:56.07NisoDaemonerror classes not implemented
21:56.13NisoDaemonhehe
21:56.30Leedsmy kind of coding
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21:56.56Jensonheya resuDaed
21:57.02resuDaedhey Jenson
21:57.04NisoDaemonI had high hopes for mono but its taking too long.
21:57.31LeedsNisoDaemon: so?  have you contributed?
21:57.38NisoDaemondoc patches
21:57.49NisoDaemonThe code was too fast moving for me
21:58.09NisoDaemonby the time i worked out what was broke two more revisions had been released :)
21:58.09JensonresuDaed: Al fixed his sevrer :)
21:58.35Leedsmiguel's a manic nutter, but he can't do it all by himself...
21:58.37Leeds:-)
21:58.40NisoDaemonlots of infrastructure work very little progress in the actual important stuff
21:58.50resuDaedJenson : good
21:58.59NisoDaemonAlthough mono just got a large bundle of notes from sourcegear to implement the webservice stuff
21:59.04JensonresuDaed: yeh means I've got my screen session back :)
21:59.19LeedsNisoDaemon: cool
21:59.23resuDaedJenson : lol, I swaer you have an account on resudaed.com
21:59.48nasratmarketing
22:00.28JensonresuDaed: i do, but your network was kinda dead too
22:00.30NisoDaemonleeds: they have a new versin ontrol product called vault and they want a client on linux so they are paying for the work
22:00.40Jensonand zimm is gonna come nick part of it at the weekend
22:00.42NisoDaemonIts all written in c#
22:01.03NisoDaemonlooks like java
22:01.09NisoDaemonjava looks like c
22:01.14NisoDaemonll has semicolons
22:01.17NisoDaemonall even
22:01.28Jensoni've seen c
22:01.37NisoDaemon"For a modern language to be successful it has to superficially resemble C"
22:01.57NisoDaemonFirst person to mention lisp in a positive way gets pain.
22:02.06nasrat(())++
22:02.11NisoDaemon"I use lisp for my config files in one useless editor"
22:02.13NisoDaemonbah
22:02.17Leeds((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
22:02.27resuDaedJenson : my network was fine, just the machine your account is on that wasn't :-)
22:02.38JensonresuDaed: bah
22:02.46NisoDaemonleeds your missing oe ) ;)
22:02.55gregjhrhr
22:02.58resuDaedalthough you don't have an account atm, ssh is still handled by the firewall
22:03.02nasrat<PROTECTED>
22:03.35resuDaedLeeds : I am using ssh to forward smtp, but it dies off every now and again
22:03.43resuDaedany ideas?
22:04.04JensonresuDaed: yeh i was pissed off that both you and Al lost your network...when I ssh Dan's sevrer ppl always point out I'm on a pr0n server lol
22:04.31NisoDaemontar option for bzipping i or j?
22:04.41resuDaedj
22:04.57NisoDaemoncheers, faster than the tar man page ;)
22:05.35NisoDaemonDoesnt count if its your box ;)
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22:05.45armijnre
22:06.05gregjqmqm
22:06.07nasratNisoDaemon: it's not by box
22:06.21Leedsevening armijn
22:06.23NisoDaemonSo your rooting other people boxes? ;)
22:06.31gregjbad boy
22:06.32NisoDaemonstop digigng nasrat ;)
22:06.52nasratI didn't say I was just could
22:07.08LeedsresuDaed: got keepalive on?
22:07.08NisoDaemonahh threats :P
22:07.10NisoDaemonhehe
22:07.13gregjyeah, sure
22:07.27gregjwe do (not) belive you anyway
22:07.44nasratand well it is my works box so I'm just logging the vulns
22:07.57nasratand the pr0n is just hotel movies
22:08.18NisoDaemonAhhh hairy man arses.
22:08.21NisoDaemonSo i've been told
22:08.45nasratNisoDaemon: maybe in east london hotels
22:08.57NisoDaemonIn eastlondon hotels they're called live shows ;)
22:09.03armijnhi leeds
22:09.11armijnleeds: just like you, I started swimming a bit ;-)
22:09.12NisoDaemonyou have a club, you find a lassy with long hair...
22:09.35Leedsibot netsplit
22:09.36extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is the disease of the 21st century, or <BluefoxIcy> ....netsplit?  <Rhapsodi> nope..wasn't a netsplit..everybody just had a sudden urge for some pie.
22:09.44Leedsibot pie
22:09.453.1415926535897932384626433832795
22:09.46*** join/#gllug Jenson (~jenson@pc-80-193-223-21-en.blueyonder.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
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22:09.59nasratbut I thought pie was the next perl
22:10.03Jensonbloody massive netsplit
22:10.05Leedsnope
22:11.29nasratanyone get shafted by the cisco dos
22:11.33Leedsnasrat: see http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/07/16/soto2003.html?page=11
22:11.57armijnhmm, new worm active?
22:12.21Jensonevening armijn
22:12.38nasratnah the random tcp packets dos'ing IOS is more fun
22:12.46Leedsarmijn: coming to my b'day party then?
22:12.53Leedsargh
22:12.57Leeds17th!
22:13.15armijnleeds: when? prolly not..
22:13.26Leeds2nd August :-)
22:14.02JensonLeeds: inviting me?
22:14.20LeedsJenson: sure, if you're going to be in Edinburgh for the conference
22:14.36armijnleeds: I guess I'll be there then :)
22:14.41Jensonbah
22:14.43Leedsexcept that the deadline to book the dinner was today...
22:14.44Jensonim not going
22:14.45Jensonduh
22:14.54Jensoni dont like conferences
22:14.57NisoDaemonJenson accomadation is pretty much non existent.
22:15.01Jensoni have enough trouble with gllug lol
22:15.26NisoDaemonYou dont attend gllug, you attend the pub afterwards...
22:15.49JensonNisoDaemon: yeh and attended the pub for the grand total of 15 mins last time lol
22:15.58JensonJust came down to see Stephan
22:16.18JensonNisoDaemon: I have attended gllug 3 times actually
22:16.23Jensonthe time i was with Dan
22:16.25NisoDaemonYou travled down from the middle of nowhere for 15 minutes?
22:16.29Jensonthe time I was with Dan and Ross
22:16.33NisoDaemonROFL
22:16.35Jensonand the time I was with Ross
22:16.46nasratis this && or &|
22:16.54JensonOh and was I there when I was with Alex
22:16.56JensonI dont remember
22:17.31Leedsso is /me
22:17.31JensonAnyway I'm whacked, sleep time
22:17.32armijnand unofficially?
22:17.36NisoDaemonLOL
22:17.44armijnleeds: hmm, dinner...
22:17.45Jensonarmijn: unofficially too ATM pretty much
22:23.53Leedsarmijn: garlic bread with zahatar
22:23.53armijnjenson: ah, you probably got another can with desperate boys kicking around somewhere...
22:23.53armijnleeds: soo...I'm too late for b'day dinner booking?
22:23.53NisoDaemonaint all boys desperate?
22:23.53NisoDaemonI thought it was pretty kuch implicit
22:23.53Jensonarmijn: 3 currently lol
22:23.53Leedsarmijn: in theory - but I'm going to call in the morning, since I don't want to miss it either :-)
22:23.53armijnnisodaemon: nope, some have "pride"
22:23.53NisoDaemonAhhh the sober ones
22:23.53nasratno london pride a fine beer
22:23.53armijnleeds: does this interfere with some conference dinner thing on the official program?
22:23.53NisoDaemonbeer == pride removeer
22:23.55armijnheh, I guess I drink better beer then ;-)
22:23.55Leedsarmijn: no - there's a pay dinner on the 1st, and a free dinner on the 2nd - I guess followed by drinking in town :-)
22:23.55armijnleeds: but you said your stuff was on the 2nd...
22:23.55Jensonnight all
22:23.55NisoDaemonnight. keep them hands above the covers.
22:23.55NisoDaemonhehe
22:23.55JensonNisoDaemon: was that aimed at me honey :)
22:23.55Leedsarmijn: the idea is to go to the (free - sponsored by Positive Internet) dinner on the 2nd, followed by drinking in town
22:23.55NisoDaemonDepends who else has the potential of getting hands under the cover.
22:23.55NisoDaemon:)
22:23.55armijnleeds: ah, cheap birthday party then ;-)
22:23.55Leedsyeah :-)
22:23.56JensonNisoDaemon: No-one least not tongiht
22:23.56NisoDaemonpositive internet == evil
22:23.56armijnleeds: free dinner...you know how the Dutch react to free stuff...
22:23.56armijnleeds: so count me in ;-)
22:23.56LeedsNisoDaemon: they're paying for my b'day dinner - not that evil
22:23.56NisoDaemonShame they dont pay for their magazine adverts isnt it :)
22:23.56armijnhmm, don't remember if I told UKUUG office I want veggie..
22:24.00Leedsarmijn: only matters for the dinner anyway, probably - unless there's posh food for speakers :-)
22:24.01NisoDaemonarmjin they dont do veggie food in scotland :)
22:24.45LeedsNisoDaemon: they don't do teetotalers either :-P
22:24.58NisoDaemonThey do if you have a deep friend hamburger :)
22:25.04NisoDaemonI made up for it
22:25.42NisoDaemonI was allowed to not drink :)
22:26.16armijnhmm
22:26.29armijnthere must be veggie stuff there :)
22:26.31Leedsthere is such a thing as kosher haggis... made for the Edinburgh J-Soc for their Rabbi Burns night
22:27.03armijnjewish version of Montgomery Burns?
22:27.06NisoDaemonarmjin theirs a good thai around the otherside of the castle to the city cntre, has a big pub next to it :)
22:27.55Leedsarmijn: Jewish version of Robbie Burns
22:28.12NisoDaemonI must have isread it the first time...
22:28.17NisoDaemonmisread dammit
22:29.16armijnheheh
22:29.38NisoDaemonOther factor is i can pronounce armjin. I'm not shure how to pronounce ij
22:29.46armijnas "i"
22:29.51armijnas in "mine"
22:30.03nasratLeeds complete this nic 00:30
22:30.07NisoDaemonso armin?
22:30.10NisoDaemonsorta?
22:30.17Leedsnasrat: what?
22:30.20armijnehr, no :)
22:30.30NisoDaemonI'm cockney, i can pronounce lee and john ;)
22:30.42armijnnisdaemon: it rhymes with "wine", "mine", "slime"
22:30.46NisoDaemonAnyone other than that get called mate and geezer
22:30.50armijnand even with, "rhyme"
22:31.15armijnand Rammstein...
22:32.35nasratdu
22:32.37nasratdu has
22:32.38dankolbHi armijn
22:32.42dankolbAnd hi others
22:32.49Leedsevening dankolb
22:32.52NisoDaemonback from the pub already?
22:32.54dankolbYes.
22:32.57dankolbIt's after closing time.
22:32.59gregjdankolb: how was a pub
22:33.02dankolbAnd I didn't drink
22:33.08gregjdankolb: sure
22:33.19dankolbPlus I had enough yesterday :)
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22:37.02armijnbedtime
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22:48.18gregj:>
22:48.32dankolbdobranoc
22:48.36gregj:]
23:18.33Leedsbedtime
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23:25.06dankolb'lo
23:52.11dankolbYay!
23:52.15dankolbDAB tuner works!

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