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05:09.29new2unixmorning all
05:14.14zacharymoin
05:16.29new2unixmorning zachary, youre up early. i'm just getting ready for work myself.
05:17.28zacharyI'm always up  at this time. Usually I don't log in until a bit later.
05:18.27new2unixi'm usually up at 6am too. anyways gotta get ready will show my face at about 7:30ish when i pop out the door.
05:28.47TarragonMoin
06:09.06JDhi all
06:09.17JDsee you later
06:38.44new2unixsee yous later folks
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08:43.34zacharymoin Leeds
08:43.49Leedshey zach
08:44.04Leedshow's it going?
08:44.46zacharypretty good.
08:50.44gregjLeeds: :]
08:50.52Leedsmorning gregj :-)
08:51.10gregjLeeds: i am missing 3 small points, and it is finished
08:51.22Leedscool
08:51.48gregji'll try to send you something before 15
08:51.55zacharymorning gregj
08:52.21gregjzachary: morning
09:08.13LeedsI should point out...
09:08.26Leedsthat the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million-to-one, he said
09:17.02TarragonUlla
09:18.25Leedsmorning
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10:31.16pie'lo peeps
10:32.18Leedshello scary person
10:32.43Leedsor scary photo person
10:41.27piegood isn't it..
10:41.54pieit was very cold, I wasn't wearing lipstick.
10:53.52dankolbMorning
10:55.26Leedsjust
10:55.40piemorning
11:06.08Leedsenters removeme-at-vmlinuz.org into the "remove me" page from some spam... I wonder how long it'll take before that (never used before or anywhere else) address starts to get spam
11:21.23Leedsobject?
11:21.41Leedsnot a method?
11:25.26JDgregj ->shower();
11:25.41JDso that would mean shower was a method of the gregj object
11:26.30Leedsah
11:26.37Leedsnot necessarily
11:26.53Leedsgregj could be a pointer to a structure containing a pointer to a function
11:27.31Leedswhich is in fact a pretty common thing
11:27.48zacharyhouse->shower(gregj);
11:28.25LeedsGREGJ_OPS->shower();
11:32.13murblehmm ..struct ops GREGJ_OPS = { ... shower: NULL; ... };
11:45.21Leedsin fact, /me overpacks - since I have no idea what this weekend is going to be like...
11:48.18JDwhere are you going?
11:49.01Leedsbournemouth
11:49.30JDanything exciting?
11:49.52Leedsit's a Limmud (Jewish) thing - for activists/volunteers
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11:51.31Leedshey NisoDaemon
11:51.48NisoDaemonHi Leeds, i assume you did log off at some point last night :)
11:51.53Leedsyeah
11:52.14NisoDaemonBut the pull of the conversation was too much for you
11:52.16Leedsshorts
11:52.31NisoDaemonREPRESS!
11:52.55NisoDaemonSpud been on today?
11:53.08Leedsnope
11:53.35Leedsor at least, he's not said anything since at least 0943
11:53.37NisoDaemonWhy can you never find anyone when you actlaly want them...
11:53.55NisoDaemonSods law i guess.
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11:54.20Leedsmail him...
11:54.53NisoDaemonHAHAHAHAH have you ever mailed any one from Linux Mag?
11:55.04Leedssure!
11:55.05NisoDaemonIts like getting elvis to help with cold fusion.
11:55.15Leedsnever had a reply, but still...
11:55.30NisoDaemonAHh the i did tell you defence.
11:55.59NisoDaemonGrazing?
11:56.12piefood
11:56.18piesaries in the park
11:56.27sashCaries?
11:56.44piepah, I get all the crap jobs
11:57.10NisoDaemonWhats a caries?
11:57.33pieerm, sarnies?
11:57.53NisoDaemonAhhh right.
11:58.17pietuna and sweetcorn
11:58.32NisoDaemonSweetcorn?
11:58.46NisoDaemonIs only one up from celery on the useless stakes.
11:59.06pienice with tuna and mayo
11:59.27NisoDaemonPie: Take heed of the fact that the human system doesnt digest it properly.
11:59.40NisoDaemonTHis can be considered a warning ;)
12:00.01pieleading to CornPoo!
12:00.15NisoDaemonIt never works.
12:05.54pielater
12:06.02NisoDaemonLaters Leeds
12:07.32NisoDaemonNothing like tackey amusements to get you in touch with your spritial side...
12:07.43NisoDaemon"Oh god get me out of here!"
12:07.47NisoDaemonhehe
12:08.14SpudULikeOr the twitter of budgerigars, or is that Eastbourne.
12:08.28pieDoes eastbourne twitter?
12:09.01SpudULikeOne or the other has the highest population of said caged birds, so yeah.
12:09.27sashHave you seen the parakeets that are spreading from RIchmond Park?
12:09.36pieno
12:09.57sashWell, they got as far as W. Wimbledon two yrs ago.
12:10.15sashRrroarrr.
12:10.19NisoDaemon./quit #nutters && /join #gllug
12:10.28SpudULikeOoooh, are parakeets in season?  I'l get me catapult.
12:10.55NisoDaemonThe funny thing is that Spuds catapult is one of ye old style ones that flings dead cows.
12:11.01NisoDaemonSurprised many a bird hsa that.
12:11.10sashlol
12:11.20NisoDaemonChirp Chirp, Swoosh MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! splat.
12:11.24SpudULikeDead? No fun in that.
12:11.56piequiet though
12:12.08NisoDaemonDead ones dont come back for revenge :)
12:12.23NisoDaemonPie: Maybe until the impact
12:12.33SpudULikeBeing launched scares the shI'll stop now.
12:12.35NisoDaemonthen its ten foot pizza time
12:12.49NisoDaemonSpud thats called the trail of doom.
12:13.48NisoDaemonWOOO Linux Gazette have just accepted my article.
12:14.09NisoDaemonAlthough they expect you to work for free so they cant be that picky :)
12:14.40pie3yay
12:14.42pieyay
12:14.48piewhere'd that 3 come from...
12:15.12NisoDaemonI'm not sure... thats a hell of a distance for a typo....
12:15.30NisoDaemon3 is here -> . y is
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12:15.33NisoDaemon<PROTECTED>
12:15.40SPQRhowdy
12:15.47NisoDaemonGood day SPQR.
12:15.57NisoDaemonWelcome to the lower hell.
12:16.00NisoDaemonWe try harder.
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12:17.02SPQRsorry, was having probs there..
12:17.11NisoDaemonMy sales pitch is that good :)
12:17.32SPQRlooking good ;)
12:17.52NisoDaemonWhy does every lyric site on the net have popups...
12:18.04NisoDaemonHow much money can it take to run one for smeg sake.
12:18.09SPQR'cuae they're free?
12:18.17NisoDaemonPlain text and gzip hould keep the bandwidth down.
12:18.49NisoDaemonThe operating costs are nhi on titchy.
12:19.01NisoDaemonSmall site with database on a single host.
12:19.07NisoDaemonPeople submit the lyrics.
12:19.11NisoDaemonCompress the output.
12:19.17SPQRya, 'cept who else other than us really know how to use gzip?
12:19.38NisoDaemonWith XML vocab for the lyrics hehe
12:20.08SPQRhehe
12:20.13NisoDaemonCan you get multiple ADSL lines at a residentual address?
12:20.39SPQRgood question...
12:20.40NisoDaemonI can even go and scrap all the existing sites for lyrics to save the amount of work i need.
12:21.03NisoDaemon£30 a month should give enough bandwidth for hosting a couple of small projects like this.
12:21.27SPQRprobly
12:21.32NisoDaemonAnd then instead of pops become a google adwords site and an amazon afiliate.
12:21.36SPQRbut not all those sites are in the uk.
12:21.42SPQRheh
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12:21.49NisoDaemonWB Sash.
12:21.55SPQRwb
12:21.57sashThx.
12:22.16murbleNisoDaemon: I'm sure you can.
12:22.20NisoDaemonI could run the whole thing over an ADSL line, the bandwidth has to be tiny.
12:22.24murblejust need a wic2adsl.
12:22.47NisoDaemonWIC? Women, Infants and Children?
12:22.59NisoDaemon"Sit down and type this damn you or the kids get it" :)
12:23.11SPQRlol
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13:37.26*** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Meeting: 12th July], Check out IRC FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html
13:37.43TarragonThe run the LPI in central London on 1?5 Sep 2003 and 27?31 Oct 2003
13:38.18crocdTarragon: do you have a contact nr or person?
13:38.31zacharybrb
13:38.48Tarragon0870 200 7273
13:39.03crocdexcellent!
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13:51.52nasratafternoon
13:52.20piemorning
13:52.43pieboioioioioioioing
13:53.00piemoo
13:53.14Jensonboo!
13:53.16piehello
13:53.26piemoo!
13:54.48pieerm, moo!
13:55.14Jensonheh
13:55.17Jensonho'ws you?
13:55.19Jensonerm how's
13:55.51piefine thankyouverymuch
13:56.07piey'ou?
13:58.20Jensonbah my phone is shit
13:58.56crocdTarragon: thanks passed details on to boss, waiting to see what happens. :)
13:59.58crocdgtg cya later guys..
14:00.47pieJenson: does it have corn pieces?
14:01.00Jensonlol
14:01.43pieI got my picture on the gllug IRC page now.
14:01.52piehow cute am *I*!
14:01.56Jensonlol that voicemail is great
14:02.20Jenson'I'll call you at 6...erm yeh, yeh call you at 6, oh bye'
14:02.29piehttp://gllug.linux.co.uk/images/Gallery/ircphoto.html
14:02.50pieI put the shades on using GIMP
14:04.31Jensongod dammit, eysterday i decided i wouldnt get a new phone just yet, and since then this one has been fucking me about
14:04.43pieyou should throw it away
14:05.07nasratI don't have a photo on the gallery - which is probably a good thing
14:05.32Jensonawww pretty
14:05.49Jensonnasrat: ypu're cute, i remember annoncing it lol
14:06.38pielock up your pets:
14:06.39piehttp://www.chris-king.org.uk/Photo/XPDay/html/IMG_7117.html
14:07.04nasratyeah yeah, I hate google sometimes
14:07.08pie:-)
14:07.13pie1st hot
14:07.16piehit
14:07.33Tarragonhttp://www.darkwave.org.uk/~bob/gallery/entry.php?pauln
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14:08.17pieomg, Paul you really should try and not be photographed...
14:08.17Jensonbah you're in ther bob gallery
14:08.30pieyou look much better IRL
14:09.47Jensonhere's mine http://www.netgoth.org.uk/gothmap/examine.php?person=9509
14:10.49pieOooooooh, sultry.
14:11.07Jensonand here's nasrat again http://www.netgoth.org.uk/gothmap/examine.php?person=9
14:11.35piethat is a *much much* better photo of Paul IMHO
14:11.41nasratheh, can you tell I'm an old netgoth fart - #9
14:12.43pieI think there is only one photo of me...
14:13.55TarragonWhat are the netgoth points for? Why has Jenson got more than nasrat?
14:14.55nasratpoints are for contributions
14:15.28pieAh ha!
14:15.29piehttp://photos.hellacool.co.uk/verio-reunion-sometime-in-2002/0008.jpg
14:15.34pieme drinking pint
14:15.57Jensonsee nasrat I told you that you were cute
14:16.06Jensonyou still with that girl...erm, Lisa?
14:17.29nasratJenson: yup
14:17.44nasratpie: is dave one of those in photo
14:17.53piethe tall guy
14:18.07Jensonnasrat: Sweet :)
14:18.12Jensonansd I remembered her name
14:18.28piethe one in white
14:18.33JensonAnyway
14:18.36JensonI better be going
14:18.38JensonSeeya later guys
14:18.40pielater
14:21.29pienasrat: how does it fell to be officially sweet?
14:22.25nasratpie: umm dunno, struggling with kernel atm
14:22.45pieyou using 2.5?
14:22.52sashI would prefer to be fell.
14:23.01piefell?
14:23.10nasratno this is a 2.4 oops I've got to fix for work
14:23.17pieOK
14:23.28sashDark, dangerous (archaic)
14:23.48pieHmmm, I could handle that
14:23.49nasratsash: which thread are you commenting on
14:24.13sashPOSIX.
14:24.44pieI think the Sweet one.
14:26.34pieGoddamnnit it is so wuiet in here and it is Friday!  no-one should be working!
14:27.06nasratpie: some of us don't work for as liberal bosses
14:27.16piesome of us skive :)
14:27.44pieI can't concentrate, it is too hot.
14:28.05pieum, thinks, maybe there is more news now.
14:32.39pieTechnicalish question:
14:32.46piewill sun supersparc 5's run linux?
14:34.31nasrathttp://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html#q_2_1
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14:36.24jason_ukfsna pleasant post meridien to one and all
14:37.19pie'ello 'eool 'eloo
14:38.09piejason, when are you doing your ADSL thing?
14:39.14jason_ukfsnThe ADSL service is already available. I launched it at the Brum Expo a couple of weeks ago.
14:39.30pieOooh.
14:39.43jason_ukfsnSee the UKFSN website for full details (note though that I am playing with some figures in order to see about cutting the prices a little).
14:39.49sashbonjour
14:39.52piehola
14:39.57jason_ukfsnAt the moment install/activation is half price.
14:40.27pieI already have ADSL, but I will consider it for other people (my dad)
14:40.40jason_ukfsnfair enough.
14:50.41pieI have a comment about the offers...
14:52.50jason_ukfsnyes?
14:53.28pieI have come accross more situations where a single static IP was needed, rather than 4.
14:53.37piebut that might just be me...
14:54.30jason_ukfsnI was thinking about that and I may change the offer to be either 1 or 4 (actually 4 turns out to be a problem...
14:55.03nasratjason_ukfsn: why not just offer a /48 :)
14:55.04jason_ukfsn... as the wholesale provider have fscked up and not provided a way to order service with 4 IPs- only 1, 8 or 16 so it's 8 at the moment)
14:55.25pielike at home, I have 8 (4-5 useable) with Zen, but I could get away with 1, but I really couldn't have static.
14:55.33piecouldn't have non-static I mean
14:55.46jason_ukfsnnasrat: I had a conversation about that with someone else recently. Having looked a little more at it I'm considering it more carefully
14:57.35nasrathmm, cool.  That'd be tempting for co/lo rather than home (have cable)
14:59.33zacharybbl
15:11.58murblejason_ukfsn: if you'd only had it up and running abou a month ealier...
15:13.51jason_ukfsnyes I know however at that time there was no viable wholesale option available. Things changed last month.
15:19.47NisoDaemonJason: How's the ADSL take up been?
15:25.05jason_ukfsnslow as yet. I suspect part of that was the fact that I had not updated the website to make it clear that the service is fully available now and another part is the lack of an online registration process.
15:25.41jason_ukfsnThe former issue was fixed yesterday and I've been spending this week working on the latter (except that I accidentally deleted the fscking thing on Tuesday and had to start over).
15:25.58NisoDaemonDo you filter any incoming/outgoing traffic?>
15:26.11NisoDaemonIE Can i run apache on my home machine.
15:26.31jason_ukfsnI don't operate the network directly however I know that there are no filters to prevent server hosting or P2P activities.
15:26.58jason_ukfsnNisoDaemon: are you still tied into a minimum term?
15:26.59NisoDaemonI may have to go looking for an ADSL reouter/modem tomorrow then...
15:27.11NisoDaemonNah, i've beenon Openworld for about two years.
15:27.34jason_ukfsnLots of people seem to recommend the Netgear and Solwise ones.
15:27.54NisoDaemonIm the kind of person that picks up the first one he sees :)
15:31.24murbleall cheap adsl kit is crap
15:31.41jason_ukfsnhow are you defining cheap murble?
15:31.49murblejason_ukfsn: under 200 quid.
15:32.04NisoDaemonIs the ukfsn adsl bt wholesale?
15:32.38murbleI'm quite happy about my stingray at moment though.
15:32.48jason_ukfsnIt's Tiscali wholesale. Basically BT exachange ports going back onto the Tiscali backbone via their own network and straight onto the Internet from there.
15:32.57murblewould replace it with a cisco or a native adsl interface.
15:33.21NisoDaemonSo anything that works on a BT ADSL line'l be fine on it?
15:33.32NisoDaemonThe shiny Netgear DG814 has my attention.
15:33.50jason_ukfsnYes. That's the criteria
15:34.31jason_ukfsnWhat price NisoDaemon?
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15:34.46NisoDaemon100 at the moment but thats on amazonwho aint cheap.
15:34.47formihello
15:35.14jason_ukfsnDabs have it for £79 plus VAT
15:35.18jason_ukfsnhey formi
15:35.41formihow is it going?
15:36.12NisoDaemonOnce i lump delivery and VAT on its roughly the same, i can get ia deeded onto my next set of books and not pay delivery :)
15:36.37murbleit depends on your dslam, i've got a modem which works at work, but not home.
15:36.53murbleworks is moorgate exchange which probably has older kit or somthing
15:37.23NisoDaemonSimply match the dabs price of £80
15:38.27NisoDaemonPCWorld want £150. HAHAHAHAHAHA
15:38.49jason_ukfsnbut you get such great technical support at PC World ;)
15:39.50NisoDaemonI look at it differently, if i get it from Simply/Dabs/amazon i've got a real bargin ;)
15:41.07formiI would give ebay a try before buying 1st hand
15:41.17piewb jenson
15:41.30NisoDaemonIf you click on the jobs at pcworld link you get a broken page. So i assume they want a web monkey...
15:41.42NisoDaemonFormi: I like a nice warranty.
15:42.41formiwell up to you, but myself on moral grounds avoids to buy anything new unless there is no choice
15:42.49NisoDaemonI have no morals.
15:42.51JensonNisoDaemon: If you try to disp[lay the pcworld site in anything but IE, you get javascript errors
15:43.00NisoDaemonJenson this is in IE :)
15:43.01nasratformi: recycled food?
15:43.12forminasrat: where?
15:43.54murbleNisoDaemon: ireland?
15:44.13NisoDaemonMurble: In the context of?
15:44.14formithere are extremes in this world, I wathched on This Morning people drink their own urine for medicinal purposes
15:44.26murble< NisoDaemon> Jenson this is in IE :)
15:44.42NisoDaemonYou watched "this morning"? that makes the urine drinkers seem slightly less sick.
15:44.44NisoDaemonAhhh right,
15:44.50NisoDaemonWas lost for a second then.
15:45.07JensonI havent seen 'This Morning' since I used to go to school
15:45.22NisoDaemonWas the medical pupose to see how dumb people are?
15:45.49pieHow many months ago was that? :)
15:46.02NisoDaemonPie: Yesterday ;)
15:46.12Jensonpie: Over a year
15:46.17JensonI forget
15:46.18formiwel, the medical explanation "seemed" reasonable
15:47.31NisoDaemonThe mailing list isnt like this :)
15:47.43formi"Bill Gates tops email hoax list", The Register, no wonder even when he writes them
15:48.29formiNisoDaemon: well the staff most people drink too much in this place looks quite like piss
15:49.01NisoDaemonAhh but its sugered with bubbles, important difference.
15:49.38formia straw might come handy then. :->
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15:57.44Jensonheya sash
15:58.04sashHello there.
16:05.17JensonI hate this place, all my favourite (but non sexual) sites are filtered
16:06.27NisoDaemonThis place would be?
16:06.38JensonThe school my mother teacvhes at
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16:06.56SPQRafternoon
16:06.56Jensonheya Al
16:06.57NisoDaemonPeople in school shouldnt have internet connections.
16:07.03NisoDaemonIts part of the world plan.
16:07.03sash'noon.
16:07.11JensonNisoDaemon: Fsck me they should
16:07.22NisoDaemonKeep young people dumb and unskilled, that way we have job security :)
16:07.25JensonI gotta stop saying that lol
16:07.32SPQRheh
16:07.49NisoDaemon"Yeah good teenager, go watsh Jerry/Opera/Ricky/teletubbies"
16:08.07JensonSPQR: My favourite saying is 'fsck me you're hot' today lol
16:08.19NisoDaemon"Nah readings an overrated skill, go watch Eastenders."
16:08.24SPQRI prefer/ fsck, its hot today :D
16:08.40JensonSPQR: that too that too
16:09.35SPQRI don't think the local prison population has a prob with reading..
16:09.52SPQRthe average reading age for prison is like 7 ;)
16:10.13NisoDaemonif you cut off their finger youd have the reading speed
16:10.20NisoDaemons/have/half/
16:10.25Jensonlool NisoDaemon
16:10.50JDwelcome to the bad spelling brigade
16:11.06Jensonfsck me, hey JD
16:11.10murblemembershpi has been closed.
16:11.12NisoDaemonI find spelling and punctuation serves only to slow my posting. :)
16:11.21JensonNisoDaemon: precisly
16:11.29NisoDaemon:P
16:11.39SPQRas long as ppl can understand me, I don't care after that :D
16:11.39NisoDaemonI dont post too much.
16:11.54murbleNisoDaemon: good.
16:11.55JensonSPQR: No-one understanfdds yous darling
16:11.58Jensonoop[s
16:11.58NisoDaemonSPQR: is it ok if we just pretend to understand and nod a lot? :)
16:12.00Jensoncant tuype lol
16:12.12jason_ukfsnNisoDaemon: on the other hand poor spelling an punctuation only serves to slow down those reading your posts.
16:12.18SPQRNisoDaemon: that'll do me just fine :D
16:12.28NisoDaemonJason: My times more important then theirs ;)
16:13.10SPQRdon't forget, it also means they have to reread the post just to make sure they got it right ;)
16:13.16murblejason_ukfsn: in your killfile?
16:13.48jason_ukfsnI don't operate a killfile. I don't even operate a kill file (list of potential victims) I leave that to Tarragon
16:14.16NisoDaemonI didnt think anyone actually read my posts, i assumed you were all humouring me...
16:14.37murblegood luck
16:14.47NisoDaemonHave fun. Dont get too hammered.
16:14.52JensonJD: have fun
16:14.53JDcan't afford to
16:14.57TarragonNo we read your posts and note them down for future evidence
16:14.59JDI will be on irc though
16:15.02sashHave fun round the roundabout.
16:15.14JensonJD: seeya soon then
16:15.27JDsash: I live near Milton Keynes and have done for 24 years
16:15.31NisoDaemonTarragon: I did wonder why we had an ibot ;)
16:15.40SPQRround and round the roundabout we go
16:15.51jason_ukfsnwhere we'll stop we just don't know
16:15.55TarragonJD: take some whiskey wrapped up as a present. Quickest way to make friends in Norway.
16:15.55JDroundabouts are no problem to me
16:16.00JDI was brought up with them
16:16.30sashJD: You weren't able to get off the roundabouts for 24 years!
16:16.32sash:)
16:16.47JDTarragon: I can't even afford that
16:16.52JDmaybe a minuatre
16:16.57NisoDaemonLOL
16:17.03sashDuty Free?
16:17.27NisoDaemon"I'm a Debian person, we can't afford presents, heres some glass and ingridents, have a blast" :)
16:21.30formijason_ukfsn: what is the point of a "multiboot compliant os" ??
16:22.28jason_ukfsnto justify the use of GRUB's advanced features?
16:22.28TarragonI do have a link for DIY alcopops. 10 minutes effort. 1 week. £3 4litres
16:22.56NisoDaemonTarragon: Print it ;)
16:22.59formiwhat are those "advanced features" ?
16:23.26Tarragonhttp://www.yobrew.co.uk/stuff.htm#Experiment
16:23.30NisoDaemonformi: Not being lilo? :)
16:24.15NisoDaemonTarragon: Um, how did you stumble onto that?
16:24.36sashDon't start him off!
16:24.54TarragonErrrrrrr well see. I was looking for a better DMX formula...
16:24.59formiNisoDaemon: DOM syndrome
16:25.48sashhttp://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
16:26.07formisorry DODM syndrome
16:26.47TarragonOK. I'll bite. Formi what is DODM?
16:27.17sash-- WMD
16:27.28formiDirty Old Drunker Man, by the way I might not turn up tommorrow...
16:27.44SPQRlol
16:27.56JensonI gotta go
16:27.58Jensonseeya guys
16:28.03NisoDaemonLaters
16:28.13Jensonseeya NisoDaemon
16:28.14SPQRcya bekks
16:28.45formiTarragon finds things that no person would manage to find even if he/she tried
16:28.56sashFrickin Biochemists ...
16:29.03NisoDaemon"Dirty Old Drunker Man" I can tell you stories about Tarragon in bristol involving a HEARD of women in school uniforms and a copper but it incriminates me as well :)
16:29.30Jensonlol do tell
16:29.35Jensonanyway
16:29.36Jensonbye bye
16:29.53TarragonNo. I recall me being the sensible one and trying to save john Hearns
16:30.12NisoDaemonThen you have selective memory...
16:30.12SPQRohh, sounds like it was fun ;)
16:30.54formiExcuse me for not being British!!
16:31.01NisoDaemonWe dont have to.
16:31.04NisoDaemonhehe
16:31.22formibut why do you always associate "dirtyness" with "sex" ????????
16:31.41NisoDaemonBecause we have nasty imaginations.
16:32.14TarragonNo. it was the "dirty old man" association. Common phrase
16:32.24jason_ukfsnI'm off. Have fun folks and see you tomorrow.
16:32.34NisoDaemonHe doesnt hang about.
16:32.47NisoDaemonibot gllug archives
16:32.48NisoDaemon: I wish you would RTFM.
16:32.52NisoDaemonibot gllug
16:32.53gllug is probably the Greater London Linux User Group at #gllug or http://gllug.linux.co.uk
16:33.01NisoDaemonibot gllug irc logs
16:33.02NisoDaemon: I give up, what is it?
16:33.05NisoDaemonGah
16:33.23Tarragonibot logs
16:33.24http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
16:33.32NisoDaemonThanks.
16:33.38NisoDaemonibot selfdestruct
16:33.38wish i knew, NisoDaemon
16:33.52Tarragonibot lart ibot
16:33.53NisoDaemonAmount of use you are should have been written in python
16:33.58TarragonArrrrggggh
16:34.16Tarragonibot dance
16:34.17ACTION becomes steve ballmer
16:34.31TarragonMonkey Boy!
16:35.03SPQRibot: sing
16:35.05ACTION sings off key
16:35.05NisoDaemonAhh the gllug logs come with timestamps. neat.
16:36.09NisoDaemonbut they lack joins/leaves.
16:37.02TarragonWhat do you need to know?
16:38.53NisoDaemonI was just curious as to what it logged. got a bit panicy ;)
16:39.34SPQRheh
16:41.41NisoDaemonI wonder if its mre fun to kill the connection at 98% or 99%....
16:42.17NisoDaemon99% is more dramtic but they might actually have the whole song by then...
16:42.26SPQR98
16:42.35NisoDaemonYeah i think so
16:42.44NisoDaemonMWAHHHA
16:42.54SPQR}-]
16:43.03NisoDaemonHAHAHAH
16:43.11SPQRthe ONLY way to do it ;)
16:43.30NisoDaemonRename other song and put back...
16:43.38NisoDaemonDamn it checksums them...
16:43.55SPQRyup, thats the main prob with it :(
16:44.24SPQRI think most p2p progs do it nowadays...
16:44.32NisoDaemonThats a shame :)
16:44.40NisoDaemonReplace the ong every 25%
16:44.50NisoDaemonGuess that new kernel doesnt work :)
16:45.55formioi
16:46.03SPQRio
16:46.15formiI've just noticed Pete's party is tommorrow
16:46.30SPQRthere's a party?
16:46.36TarragonYes as Gllug finishes PPP starts
16:46.43formiwe could all head there
16:46.49SPQRsweet
16:47.09TarragonHave you seen that is carries on until Sunday lunch
16:47.29SPQRonly sunday? he's sliping :P
16:50.04formianyway I have to be off
16:50.13SPQRcya formi
16:50.24formisee you tommorrow
16:50.30formiand be good!
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16:52.11SPQRI'll be making tracks too 'cause I'm heading on to the pub :D
16:52.13jason_ukfsnhi again all
16:52.20SPQRlaterz all
16:52.21jason_ukfsnNisoDaemon: are you still there?
16:52.39SPQRhe's on the phone
17:01.12NisoDaemonI'm back, miss me? :)
17:01.22TarragonLike the plague
17:01.30NisoDaemonJason: Were you after me?
17:01.53NisoDaemonTarragon with your experience of dieases and STD's i'm flattered ;)
17:02.29Tarragon:)
17:02.51NisoDaemonSo your actually going to oarty with Pete till Sunday?
17:03.02Tarragonhope so.
17:03.19NisoDaemonAnd then what? the church?
17:03.22NisoDaemonhehe
17:03.34jason_ukfsnNisoDaemon: I've taken your comment on board re: the ADSL offering and reworked the Home ones already. I've dropped the prices a little too.
17:03.47TarragonNot allowed again.
17:03.53NisoDaemonMy comment?
17:04.06NisoDaemonWhich one? I'mn a font of useless coments  :)
17:04.12jason_ukfsnregarding how many static IPs are included.
17:04.23NisoDaemonWasnt that Nasrat?
17:04.37jason_ukfsnD'Oh!
17:04.38NisoDaemon./48's and similar
17:04.51NisoDaemonTarragon: Isnt being forbidden the best reason to go? :)
17:04.57jason_ukfsnI'll wake up again later (maybe)
17:05.34NisoDaemonI drove him off?
17:05.44Tarragon:-)
17:06.04NisoDaemonMy powers are growing
17:06.16NisoDaemonFormi Never return
17:06.20NisoDaemonMight work :
17:06.21NisoDaemonP
17:08.06*** mode/#gllug [+o Tarragon] by ChanServ
17:08.16*** mode/#gllug [+o NisoDaemon] by Tarragon
17:08.21*** mode/#gllug [-o Tarragon] by Tarragon
17:08.31TarragonYou wanted powers?
17:08.32NisoDaemonI feel.... 31337
17:08.37NisoDaemonph33r m3
17:08.54NisoDaemonformi.... here formi formi formi
17:10.22NisoDaemonhttp://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/
17:10.24NisoDaemonCool toy
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17:11.38NisoDaemonWB Stephanb
17:12.53NisoDaemonWhats that phrase ban port, nick and server?
17:12.53stephanbNisoDaemon: hi there, you are the AI of NisoRamen
17:13.10NisoDaemonI mustyped this morning ;)
17:13.15NisoDaemonmus/mis
17:13.17NisoDaemonGAH
17:13.35NisoDaemonformi.... here formi formi formi
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17:15.01NisoDaemonI'll bide my time, the power was too much :)
17:15.14*** part/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-68-7.homechoice.co.uk)
17:15.29stephanbNisoDaemon: are you coming tomorrow ?
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17:15.51NisoDaemonYep, i'll be present for Nasrats talk and then i may slide off looking for an ADSL router/modem
17:15.54NisoDaemonWB Highbury
17:16.08highburyI suddenly disappeared :-(
17:16.09NisoDaemonI may move service to UKFSN
17:16.17NisoDaemonAnythings better than OpenWoe
17:16.21NisoDaemonI didnt do it...
17:16.23highburytrue
17:16.39NisoDaemonI cant even ping my machine from outsside the BT ip range...
17:17.46NisoDaemonWhats the point of an always on connection if i cant do anything  with it...
17:17.47highburyNAT? or BT's filters?
17:17.53NisoDaemonBT#s filters.
17:18.30highburywell unless you want to run a server, NAT/Filterings ok
17:18.44stephanbNisoDaemon: isn't it the kinda stuff you want to buy off the net ?
17:18.54NisoDaemonI wouldnt mind ssh and apache. Save my hosting else where. I have bugger all traffic :)
17:19.04NisoDaemonStephan: I'm impatient :)
17:22.02stephanbNisoDaemon: the triangle of constraints : 1.time  2.cost  3.choice/quality
17:22.38highburyyou've left out the 4-axis of lethargy
17:23.42stephanbhighbury: isn't that included in the (1) time constraint ?
17:24.14NisoDaemonI want to walk into a fair and walk out with a nice heavy box, thats real consumerism :)
17:25.48stephanbNisoDaemon: "MyRouter" by Calvin Klein is nice, there is a very slick and overpriced iRouter by Apple...
17:26.02NisoDaemonDont start ;)
17:26.20NisoDaemonI was thinking Netgear DG814. its silver and SHINY.
17:26.31NisoDaemonhttp://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q4/netgear-dg814.asp
17:28.00NisoDaemonI have an ADSL frog at the minute. USB and naff.
17:29.32stephanbyes that's his predecessor by Alcatel, called the "squashed frog", particularly ridiculous design with cumbersome wiring.
17:30.04NisoDaemonTyats the one i have. now you know why i want a silver shiny one :)
17:31.56stephanbwell another alternative is to hide the thingy. imho the status leds on those beasts are pretty useless.
17:32.24stephanbthey are probably there to help customer support do their job...
17:32.49NisoDaemonPython still doiesnt have var++
17:32.52NisoDaemonHAHAHAHAHAH
17:33.27NisoDaemonif they are green it works. if they are red its not working and if they are unlit cancel the callers account to save trouble in the long run/.
17:34.32NisoDaemondoor
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20:05.06stephanbfriday night, everybody's at the pub
20:10.25dankolbI'm not.
20:11.57stephanbdankolb: oh right
20:12.21stephanbare you coming tomorrow ?
20:13.21dankolbNope
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20:15.33resuDaedanyone know where I can find sound drivers for an Aureal chipset, all I can find is OSS, and they want money for drivers!!
20:18.39dankolbNot in the kernel?
20:19.25resuDaednot that I could find (was looking through 2.4.20)
20:20.08resuDaedactually, might just chuck a creative SB128PCI in there
20:20.09dankolbAh.
20:20.48resuDaedMy processor is shot, so I am borrowing a machine from work on my hdd
20:21.22resuDaedAthlon 900MHz as opposed to my 1800MHz, but both k7 so booted without a hitch
20:21.38resuDaedonly thing is I didn't think to take my sound card
20:21.49resuDaedalso both nvidia cards, so X started first time also
20:22.12resuDaedlets see if this baby crashes when I put a PCI card in :-)
20:23.41resuDaeddankolb : hows things ... working again yet?
20:24.55dankolbNot yet.
20:25.04dankolbAnd I need to go off for the moment
20:25.20resuDaedok
20:25.34dankolbback in 30 mins or so :)
20:41.26eye69resuDaed: Checked ALSA?
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20:50.55TarragonEvening gregj
20:51.05gregjevening :]
21:11.09dankolb'lo
21:11.16gregjdankolb: hi :]
21:11.31dankolbHi!
21:14.58dankolbHow goes?
21:16.46gregjjust last preparations for tommorow
21:17.17gregji hope somebody will translate this from gregskish to english :]
21:18.19gregjjust kidding...
21:18.56gregjbeside, i am co-develop kopete in KDE now
21:19.19gregjand working, going home, working, sleeping, working....... and so on
21:20.21dankolb:)
21:20.30dankolbSounds fun
21:20.48gregjsure..
21:23.24gregji don't know why most of my coworkers are so ... pitful
21:23.35gregjthey are not going out anywhere
21:24.12gregji though brits like to have fun
21:27.40skuggdoes anybody know if debian ships with the sysvinit patches needed for software suspend in 2.5.7x?
21:30.03gregjskugg: software suspend is very very unstable
21:31.09murbleskugg: I don't know, but the code is getting closer to release
21:32.04gregjbut it is still unstable
21:32.28gregjthis is one of those things they wanted to remove, becouse it simply does not work as it should
21:32.32murblegregj: that depends mainly on your hardware.
21:32.34gregjfe. SMP is not supported
21:32.51murblegregj: I'm sure owners of SMP laptops will be very disappointed.
21:32.53gregjif you have SMP, software suspend will be turned off
21:32.59gregjmurble: ;P
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21:35.38skugg:)
21:36.19skuggmurble, i noticed that linus said he'll be working toward 2.6 now
21:36.19gregjmurble: read documentation of this project
21:36.32gregjyep, 2.5 is feature freezed
21:36.53gregjmurble: it saids that it should be usefull on servers as well
21:37.10gregjmurble: but anyway, as my laptop does not have "hardware" suspend support
21:37.29gregjmurble: i wanted this feature, i tested it in 2.4 and in 2.5 and i can tell you - it does not working
21:38.13gregjeven if you will switch Xfree and any DMA (sound fe.) off, it still hands after 5-15 minutes just like that
21:38.38skuggoh well.
21:39.02skuggi guess i just have to turn acpi off and use good ol' apm then.
21:39.16gregji have acpi only laptop
21:39.18skuggnow, more importantly: my maestro2 soundcard don't work with alsa.
21:39.21gregjit hangs without acpi in kernel
21:39.25skugggregj, you're fscked :P
21:39.26gregjsony vaio picturebook
21:39.30gregjsure
21:39.40skuggget a good ol' dell.
21:39.50skuggmy armada is fine as well.
21:40.54gregji do prefere toshiba and acer
21:41.01gregjacer is better
21:41.09gregjfast, and fully working with linux for me
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21:58.10highburyaureal drivers are on SourceForge, I had a Turtle Beach Montego
22:03.10JDhi all
22:03.34skugghi jd
22:04.01NisoAwayEvening JD
22:04.19NisoAwayI can be mocked :)
22:06.27NisoAwayits self inflicted. And its late :)
22:06.31NisoAwayI have an excuse.
22:06.36NisoAwayI cant type :)
22:07.24JDhi skugg
22:07.40JDcan you suggest anything to say tomorrow?
22:07.56NisoAwayWheres the crapper? :)
22:08.03skuggJD, are you giving a talk?
22:08.39skuggJD, "someone set up on us the bomb"
22:08.47NisoAwayOH YES OH YES OH YES Restore worked!
22:08.53skugg:)
22:09.08skuggNisoAway, getting somewhere with your hacks? ;)
22:09.09gregjwill see for how long |P
22:09.13NisoAwaySorta.
22:09.25NisoAwayI gave up on the last idea and i'm playing with perly registry stuff now.
22:10.02JDskugg: I was thinking something norwegian
22:11.08skuggJD, ah. :)
22:11.41skuggJD, you're off to norway tomorrow then i take it?
22:11.48JDyeah
22:11.49skugg"take me to your leader"
22:11.51skugg:P
22:11.54NisoAwaylol
22:11.59JDI intend to stay away all night
22:12.02JDI have to pack
22:12.09JDand sort out a load of stuff
22:12.20NisoAwaybrb
22:12.51NisoAwayrestore didnt fully work by the look of it...
22:13.17skuggJD, i'm bad at these things. tell me what you want to say, and i'll see if i can translate it ;)
22:14.11skugg"en halvliter, takk" = "one pint, please"
22:14.39murbleJD: last second learning?
22:14.41JD"get your coat, you've pulled"
22:14.58JD"if I told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against me"
22:15.00murbleskugg: what is all your money?
22:15.06skugg"hei blondie, har du en søster?" = "hi blondie, do you have a sister?"
22:15.19JD"here is 10p, give your mother a call and tell her you won;t be home tonight"
22:15.33skuggokay, in order:
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22:15.54skugg"hent jakka di, du har skåret"
22:16.24skugg"hvis jeg sa at du har en flott kropp, ville du holde det i mot meg?"
22:17.10skugg"her har du 1 krone, ring mamma og si at du ikke kommer hjem i natt"
22:17.27skuggmurble, i'm not sure on yours... what do you mean?
22:19.07JDso how do we prnounce any of those?
22:19.40skuggcountrary to english, norwegian is pretty much pronounced as it's written (i think)
22:20.15skuggbut, with rolling Rs of course.
22:20.42skuggmy girlfriend has problem with those...
22:20.50NisoAwayHow do you say "I stiched you up, you just called him a gimp."? ;)
22:20.59NisoAwaySkugg: *cough*
22:21.11NisoAwayDont feed us stright lines like that :)
22:23.23skugg"jeg lurte deg, du kalte ham nettopp for krøpling"
22:23.47skuggNisoAway, i'm too kind that way.
22:24.14skuggi just don't like fooling people like that. it gives me no pleasure at all.
22:24.25NisoAwayWuss :)
22:24.35skugg"pyse"
22:25.01NisoAwayI read that as pussy... Maybe Norwiegn isnt so bad after all :)
22:25.53skugg"jeg leser det som {fitte,kattunge}... kanskje norsk ikke er så ille likevel" ;)
22:26.13skuggthat's a shell construct...
22:26.42skuggthat's both the major meanings of "pussy" i know of...
22:26.55NisoAway.... I'd like to state for the record i failed gcse french :)
22:27.12NisoAwayI do however speak pretty good cockney :P
22:27.26skuggi'm not going to even try translate that ;)
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22:31.35NisoAwayARGH!
22:31.41NisoAwayMust always test in vmware.
22:31.57NisoAwayMust not run hand written reg edits my real desktop.
22:32.43NisoDaemonGood point
22:33.05zacharyI'm off to bed, good night and see everyone tomarrow.
22:33.07NisoDaemonI spent three hours installing 2k in vmware so i could test this and then got bored waiting for the service packs.
22:33.12NisoDaemonSee you tomorrow.
22:36.03NisoDaemonRight i'm giving up and watching some telly. See you all tomorrow.
22:38.34skuggsee you
22:38.36skuggnight.
22:38.46skuggi'm thinking of going to bed too.
22:44.05gregjsee you tommorow guys
22:44.20gregjit is time to hit the bed
22:44.32JDanyone left?
22:44.43JDanyone fancy staying awake with me?
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22:46.36gregjJD NO ;P :]
22:46.46JDoh
22:47.43gregjjust kidding
22:48.05gregji have to think clearly to be able to speak something that reminds english
22:48.23gregjso i really have to go to sleep now
22:48.28JDgregj: is it you doing a talk tomorrow/.
22:48.39gregjyes
22:48.55JDgood luck
22:48.59JDsorry I won;t be there
22:49.14gregjthanks
22:49.42skugggood luck to both of you.
22:49.51skuggi've not decided yet if i'm going to be there tomorrow.
22:49.59skugg(for gllug)
22:50.59gregjwhat about pub+vegetarian food ?
22:57.30skuggnot sure. i've arranged to meet up with someone from 8 onwards...
22:57.46skuggi might make one or two pints.
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